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Market => Rumor mill => Topic started by: envious on July 17, 2011, 12:44 pm
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I have been doing some thinking and I have worked out a way that I can possibly bring joy and cheer to the children while still keeping myself happy. Here is the plan laid out and I welcome any suggestions/feedback.
Products that will be offered: Opana 10mg IR, Dilaudid 8mg IR, Roxicodone 30mg IR, and.... drumroll... 200ug Mayan Calendar LSD (All US -> US)
Things that suck: The minimum order will now be 300$ USD. I will only be accepting direct payment.
These products will be listed in SRs marketplace at 0 BTC. In the description I will include instructions on how to do direct payment. Most likely I will give you a specifically generated BTC address via PM. After your payment has been confirmed, I will then continue the process as a normal SR transaction. If payment is not received within 5 days, the order will be canceled. I know direct payment sucks for the end consumer but escrow sucks even more for me, for reasons I have detailed in other threads. I believe if you don't trust a vendor, you should avoid them anyway. There is plenty of scammers on SR already trying to dick people around and it seems people are still getting scammed even with the escrow. It all comes down to trust and common sense. I realize this may cost me some business, but I had been getting so many orders before it was hard for me to keep up anyway. If any newcomers question me, please ask an elder member before bad mouthing me. My feedback speaks for itself. I have taken some major hits and still made sure everyone was reimbursed, but direct payment should keep my losses to a minimum as I can cash out immediately. I have the rank of Highly Trusted over at OVDB which is the highest you can receive and I have been around for years in this scene. I have also worked out a new system for shipping that should prevent what happened before from ever happening again, at least not at that magnitude. Currently, the time frame looks like the opiates could be offered as soon as sometime this week, and the LSD hopefully next. I'm not sure what the pricing will be yet, but we will soon find out.
Discuss
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Did you saw this quotes from the "sellers guide"?
NOTICE: Please do not create listings that instruct customers to pay outside of escrow, or are used for any purpose other than to list an item to be sold for the listed price using the site checkout system.
Escrow Hedging
DISCLAIMER: at this point, escrow hedging is experimental and we reserve the right to discontinue it without notice.
Unfortunately, the bitcoin exchange rate isn't as stable as we would all like it to be, and can fluctuate wildly in a matter of hours, let alone the days or weeks it takes for a package to arrive. Because of this, there is a real danger that the bitcoins being held in your escrow account will lose value by the time your customers finalize their orders. So, we've given you the option to hedge the future payments you are expecting from escrow such that the dollar value of the payment doesn't change as the bitcoin exchange rate changes.
For example, someone purchases one of your 10 btc listings. The dollar value of the order when purchased is $100. Now, a week later when the transaction is finalized, those 10 btc are no longer worth $100, they're worth $50! Because you hedged the escrow, you won't get paid 10 btc, you'll get 20 btc equaling the original value of $100. Of course, the opposite is also true. If bitcoins appreciate in value while your payment is in escrow, you'll get fewer bitcoins, but they will still equal the original dollar value.
The option to turn off or on escrow hedging can be found on your "settings" page. While it is on, the payments for any orders placed with you will be hedged. Payments for orders placed while it is off will not be hedged, but any hedged orders still not finalized will remain hedged.
On your account page, your escrow balances are split up between hedged and unhedged orders. All orders are unhedged until you confirm shipment, at which point, if you are set to hedge, the payment for the order will show up on the dollar side of your escrow balance.
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Isn't this going to put you on a collision course with Nomadbloodbath
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=701.msg5149#msg5149
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There is a huge void in the Silk Road market in these areas, and this is the only way I will fill it. Nomad and I chat all the time, he knows I'm legit. That thread is meant for new vendors who are trying to scam I believe. Silk Road and nomad should know that I will respect their wishes if they have a problem with it. I will never pressure anyone to go outside of escrow. You should expect to go around the escrow if you place an order through me. Hopefully Silk Road will eventually add the option to bypass escrow for elder vendors, but I am not sure if they plan on implementing this or not. I have been eyeballing the hedging feature for a bit, but I have had such bad experience with the escrow that I am still hesitant to use it at all. It doesn't solve the problem of buyer fraud or if Silk Road goes down, which we know they are prone to doing (Sorry SR :P). God forbid, what if it it didn't come back up? Now hopefully he would still be able to redistribute the funds based on backup addresses and/or through this forum. What if he is arrested or LE seizes the servers? On a normal legal marketplace escrow is low-risk for both consumer and vendor but here we all know LE wants this place gone. It's too much risk for me. I prefer the old ways of doing things. Sorry I'm such a stubborn bastard... HEH
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We've done successful business before so this is good to hear. Count me in for some more Mayans!
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You're one of the sellers I trust, and--there are about 4--lift escrow as soon as order is processed, is how I decided to approach this. It actually started when your order went bad, and I felt that it would have been fair to share the weight, as I know it wasn't *us* or you, but probably some kind of ripoff. After that happened to you, on the other sellers I immediately lift escrow as soon as they click on 'order processed' and I log in and see it, I click on finalize, and put 'escrow lifted, trusted seller' and I'm done with it. I"ve yet to get ripped using this avenue. It does affect feedback, but again, other buyers can see it is trusted seller or I wouldn't do it...
The other option is just to set up separate 'sells' for individuals, and let us know when they will be posted, and we can just grab them that way.
Having said all that, you can pm me with pgp, and I'd gladly do this any way you want, with btc, and I hope by now you know I"m fairly reliable too. I felt that because of what happened, you really had no choice in the matter, but to make it right, since the product didn't show for any of us...but the fact that you *did* make it right just added to your credibility. At this time, there are no other dilaudid sellers...not with your credibility anyway...or I could just trot over to OVDB, either way....
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With all respect to you, I just want to say something. Yes, you have a point and you can regulate your own sells like you want.
I think that SR admin should decide on that. With your direct payment SR does not earn any money.
You have a option to send funds to another user..that way, transaction would be known to SR and can help if something goes wrong.
Opiate section looks empty..
Good luck to you.
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With all respect to you, I just want to say something. Yes, you have a point and you can regulate your own sells like you want.
I think that SR admin should decide on that. With your direct payment SR does not earn any money.
You have a option to send funds to another user..that way, transaction would be known to SR and can help if something goes wrong.
Opiate section looks empty..
Good luck to you.
I kind of agree on the option: I've just never used it...where you send funds directly to seller,....then SR still gets their cut--as they should--and we work out details ourselves. Should remind everybody, that this is *only* for trusted sellers, and you can't blame SR if shit goes bad. Escrow is there for a reason, and Envious has paid his dues *within* the escrow system, and can now avail himself of other areas. New sellers--and new buyers--should stick with escrow. Envious paid a bunch of money when he could have just as easily walked away, as he got ripped somewhere in the middle...but he didn't, so he has a lot of good will...but there are other sellers, who want to just bypass escrow from jump street...right now there is a whole lengthy thread on one opiate seller who chose to do this...and so far, lots of pissed off people...so we need to use caution, and step lightly when we go 'around' the normal paths here...
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Isn't this going to put you on a collision course with Nomadbloodbath
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=701.msg5149#msg5149
This is an issue mainly directed at people str8 out/selectively scamming.
Notice it's not a sticky anymore and I'm letting the community handle the situation now.
Obviously never directly place a transaction with a person you have no history with, but if you've ever dealt with envious you know he is on time like a clock.
If SR has an issue with envious and his way, Envious and SR can have that chat themselves.
I have 100% respect for Envious and his very professional ways.
I have no doubts that this is the only way Envious will work, he's lost thousands of dollars with the escrow , which with most vendor would end their career,but envious stepped up and refunded everything that was lost between him and his buyers.
I'll be taking advantage of Envious' stepping back up to bat as I'm sure many will whether through escrow or other ways. For envious escrow is a mute point. Either you know him and love his professional ways or you avoid him and his product buyers choice.
We'll see how this works out there might have to be some fine turning to this system but I welcome envious back. He expanded many peoples minds with his Mayans and gave relief to many in pain.
Let me know envious if you have any questions as always or dont hesitate to contact SR and ask his opinion.
:D
nomad bloodbath
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Exactly! ^^^
Envious paid his dues *within* the system, even though he disagreed, and paid a heavy financial price, but he still played by the rules. He now has plenty of buyers who trust him, and unless I misunderstand totally, the option is now there to send funds directly to another SR member, so all he needs to do is set up price, and send it to the buyers, and we'll just send his btc to him...only thing I don't understand is the 'cut'...I do assume SR gets there, and I figure this is just figured in to the price.
But as NB posted, this is not for new sellers. Very few--if any--sellers have been through what envious went thru, and he not only stayed in communication, but also, even in the middle of a very bad situation, kept his head, and dealt with it accordingly. He set up PGP right away too, and I've also noticed that new sellers who want to bypass escrow, often don't bother with PGP either...they aren't planning on sticking round, why bother?
All envious needs to do is decide how and how much, and let us know, he'll be fine...other sellers should take note...
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is there a thread of some sort chronicling envious' kampf? :P im pretty damn spankin new here so i missed it but this is way interesting, especially after seeing the pro-escrow voices giving the okay for dude to bypass escrow. what the hell happened?! mustve been horrible... ~smod
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Envious! I am happy that you have decided to return! I will certainly be a loyal customer, escrow or not. I hope it goes well for you. Good luck! -c
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is there a thread of some sort chronicling envious' kampf? :P im pretty damn spankin new here so i missed it but this is way interesting, especially after seeing the pro-escrow voices giving the okay for dude to bypass escrow. what the hell happened?! mustve been horrible... ~smod
Just my take on it, not envious's...but he had a bunch of buyers, shit didn't show up, started complaining, freaking out...too many of us to be scammers, so it 'seemed' to be on his end...he repaid everybody, but the experience embittered him a bit, particularly on escrow, so he paid everybody off, and bailed from sellng on SR...I kind of agreed: this was the sort of transaction that maybe the buyers could have shared the financial burden, but because of escrow, it all fell on his shoulders. In spite of fact that he bailed, he decided to pay everybody off. Plus he sold hard to get pharmies...so I guess between this and that, he became a bit of a SR legend of 'how to be an *really* good seller'
To me, he simply did the right thing, and in spite of his opposition to escrow, for the buyers, in this situation, escrow worked, as people like me never did worry, since we knew we'd be reimbursed...to us, it had the opposite effect: it made me *like* escrow and see it's value...but it also made me a *vocal* supporter of lifting escrow for reputable buyers, which I do now, so his problems made me able to see that legit sellers should have a way to bypass escrow...
Point is, he could have just walked, since *he* didn't do the ripping...but who knows, I figure somebody on his end ( a friend?, who knows) saw what was going down when/before he shipped, and just stole the shit before it got mailed...but I"m just guessing...
So now, he *can* bypass escrow, plus he's one of the few who has the credibility/respect to bypass it without loosing money...
But there are other good sellers...most of them, actually, that sell pharmies, are reliable, and their stuff shows up right on time...envious just went thru a bunch of shit right when SR came back up, and there was still a lot of paranoia and scam sellers were still on here, since they didn't yet have the 'pay to play' for sellers up...now they do.
Envious's problems showed to me that the system works, but needs to be tweeked a bit...
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Let me preface this by saying that I mean no disrespect to envious and especially none to the senior members who obviously have their reasons for trusting him. Im assuming Im just missing something here. If I was witness to the situation, as described, I would assume envious had been busted and his account was taken over by phishers, or he dealt legit for a minute in order to gain trust and seriously rip people off... especially if it was literally everybody doing business with him suddenly not getting their shit, and not getting letters from customs either... and with what we know about people like "victems" who just dont deliver but dont make any money off of it either b/c of escrow, obviously there is SOME motivation to deal this way. plus if the problem occured before the postal service got involved, ie friend or family member, then the problem has nothing to do with the escrow service, so bypassing it wouldnt make a lick of difference, only the seller accountability is removed, and dude walks with the cash. how long did envious have a clean honest record before this started happening?? again, hope nobody takes offense, and im certainly not trying to attack envious personally, but im wondering why exactly all the loyalty aside from the fact that he keeps in touch alot... thanks! ~smod
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Envious is coming back for one reason. He misses your money. There is nothing philanthropic or altruistic about it. If there was, he certainly wouldnt have cried and left to begin with.
He wants you to think he is doing you a massive favor by allowing you to purchase off him outside of the escrow system. He is not. He misses your money.
Everything else is irrelevant fluff.
Plenty of other sources here for comparable products. Go take a gander. If he wants your money, make him work for it ... within the SR escrow system.
I recommend buyers use only sellers who work within the system SR has set up ... including escrow. As a buyer, YOU take the risks here. Why voluntarily go outside of your ONLY protection ?
That said, I dont know the guy but I know the mindset, and I think that mindset is bad for the silk road.
I think any sellers who go outside of the escrow system should have their listing pulled and/or seller names banned.
In the end this is a business. Envious is trying to take money from the SR business, remove the little risk he is taking, pass that risk onto you the buyer, and remove your only protection-escrow.
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I can see pros and cons.
Nevertheless, rules must be the same for everybody. SR is NOT forum and free advertise for vendors.
Vending outside escrow should be done outside SR.
I can not agree with listings with 0 btc! That is not nice and fair to other vendors.
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I'm going to side with Mseller on this one. It's not fair to the vendors that play by the rules. Also, if everyone did that, SR wouldn't make any money. There is no reason to use this board. Just go over to ovdb or wherever and do the transaction.
All you would have to do is have the buyer immediately release the money before item is shipped if you want to bypass the system.
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Escrow is, mostly, to protect the buyer against scammers and allows an unknown new seller to start and establish a reputation. Great idea. Good for new buyers and new sellers both. But it's not, in my mind, got anything to do with a long-established seller like envious.
From a lot of the comments one would think that prior to coming to SR you were purchasing your opiates with your credit card, a full refund policy, satisfaction guaranteed, from a person who was intelligent, forthright and had not a hint of violence or malice in their bones.
I would like to meet these people. They sound like a much better fable than Envious's horror story or return.
Does anyone want to be honest and acknowledge the reality of buying opiates today? The sellers are usually addicts who churn whatever they can to support their own habit. The street level guys buy from convicted felons who have caravans of people going to FL every month to get their 1500 pills from the pain clinic. These are not your friendly weed dealer with a green thumb who talks your ear off. These are folks who *will* fuck you over; it's just a matter of when. The real question is how badly? And for just your money, or something worse?
How does Envious get his stocks? I don't know; I have no idea. BUT...I know he's probably dealing with someone that I'm really glad I don't have to be dealing with. And for that I say "thank you" and that's all. Of course he makes a decent profit! His downside is 20 years in prison. If you want $10 roxis, go to Miami, every crack whore has them. And I'm sure he'll be just as fair with SR's owner as he is with his customers. We don't need to worry about that; it's not our concern.
And how did you buy drugs online in the past? Remember the days of places like DB? You spent days reading all the threads about each seller and then sent off your WU blindly hoping that something would show up. And it did, sometimes, often not. Then when you found a good supplier they disappeared after a few months and you started all over again. I'm a pretty conservative fellow, normally, but I once sent $700 cash to a Russian guy who, four months later, sent me 20 GLASS test tubes full of fentanyl (yeah, quite a bargain) and he wrote "fentanyl" on the customs declaration. Or the bag, yes BAG like an IV bag, half full of morphine that arrived *leaking* from Namibia to my fake ID PO box. The owners almost chucked it the box was so wet. How customs missed it, I don't know. But what kind of crazy, fucked up shit is that? Would I have done that if I had a nice US to US roxi/dilaudid supplier? I was stupid, stupid, stupid...and so were the sellers.
Even the people who always delivered eventually went away; usually taking your money with them. It's called a "bust out". Where they offer you a really good deal (what's to lose, you trust them) and then once they get everyone's money they disappear only to show up later under a new identity. Today you have "Maxx vendor"; back then we had a lady named Medicine Man. Hell, for all I know one of those two is "Barry Sneaky". ;)
***Did anyone consider that besides having to refund for all those missing shipments he also probably had some ungodly amount of BTC locked in SR's no access escrow in June when the value fell by almost half?***
I'm betting that in a year, or two, or five, I'll know just how to contact envious and get whatever I need for a reasonable price. And he'll be a nice fellow while doing it. Smodcastle asks a good question "why trust envious"? The answer is because some of the people on here know, not assume or guess or hope, but know that he has been a totally honest seller for a looong time.
Sorry to rant. Envious said "discuss" and that's what you're doing, which is great and an excellent "community" thing. My point is not to denigrate anyone (except SR_Seller_Accounts, he can just plain fuck off...maybe he's Barry? :) ) it's just to say that when having the discussion, KEEP IT REAL.
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I only want to SR be a place with same rules for anybody.
Why should be listings with 0.01btc and then after vendor gain 100% feedback and became over the top vendor. Feedback must be eraned within escrow system.
That is what I am saying. His way would be after few transactions on top of the list - that is NOT fair to others.
He can sell the same way like anybody else with escrow just ask buyers to click finalize - that is it!
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I like envious and he has been here for a while. He also fought his way back from 1 negative rating, which I admire.
Still you should not use Silk Road solely to get around Silk Road. The man needs his cut.
I also don't like it when ANY buyers list items for super cheap. It opens up the shill review / fake feedback problem. Trying to go around the system is mostly a bad idea. Buyers and sellers should avoid it.
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My point is not to denigrate anyone (except SR_Seller_Accounts, he can just plain fuck off
So what you are saying is that my post hit a bit close to home ?
It's ok. I get fuck-off responses all the time when I post what I am thinking, that usually ends up being the truth someone finds ... unpalatable.
You must have a dog in this (or some) fight to get so emotional at someone you do not know.
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hmm... it occured to me that this thread is beginning to feel very political. one of the biggest factors that even brought s.r. into my life in the first place is my strong disdain for authority telling me or anyone else what they can or cannot do. that being said, i guess if envious can get away with doing things his way, more power to him. ive decided that i personally will never buy outside of the escrow system, simply because as a buyer (never a seller) of frivolous things i dont need, taking that risk when i dont have to just sounds stupid to me. all the best to anyone who decides to give envious another shot, and im excited to see how it all pans out... happy drugging y'all! ~smod
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I write a post so long it's ridiculous with an eleven word addendum to you and you somehow think that it's all a reply to you?
You're right, I don't know you. And because I don't I'll grant you the benefit of the doubt because normally I would just think that's a troll. Not a very elegant one either.
My post wasn't directed at you, I was ready to post it when your little missive popped up with that message "new reply, you may want to edit your post" or whatever it says.
No, I don't have any dog in this fight EXCEPT I've gone thru a lot of crap over the years with sellers of opiates online and it seems very obfuscatory to try and sideline a very spirited discussion with an accusation without any evidence whatsoever. I clearly acknowledged his profits...and the reasons I think he's entitled to them. I also killed his whole FL biz in the process. Now every SR noob will be asking crack ho's for percs. Funny thing is...they'll probably get 'em. :)
My personal belief, and that's all that it is, is that years of excellent seller behavior should carry more weight than sometimes people online tend to give it. Maybe I'm somewhat more passionate about it than you would be because I sold online for years and I would have wanted someone to say what I said. That's really about as "dog in the fight" as you could pin on me.
I'll make you a bet: In one year none of the opiate vendors who are on SR today will be there; just envious plus any newer good sellers.
All I want, for myself and others, is consistency. In product, price and delivery.
Actually, I hope I lose that bet, because competition begets better pricing, and that's good for me and everyone else. Opiates are fucking expensive.
I didn't ask anyone not to have an opinion, accept mine, or not express theirs. I was just asking people to bear in mind all the perspectives.
And I put a smiley there even though I told you to fuck off. To tell you it's not personal, just my valuation of your opinion on this *one matter*. You write coherently, have a good vocabulary...it's quite possible we will see eye to eye more than you might think. Or maybe not.
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Do i understand this right that many order of envious get lost and this is the reason why he complains about escrow?
Shouldnt you in this case rethink your shipping methods instead of blaming the escrow system?
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No peace&love.
He lost a lot of money because value of btc dropped from 24$ to 14$ and that was before hedging.
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He can sell the same way like anybody else with escrow just ask buyers to click finalize - that is it!
I think envious should do this, but realize he is not shipping anything until finalize is clicked.
He works thru escrow, with a slight exception. SilkRoad get he's cut and envious is secure that
his products shipment are not gonna be a refund nightmare. Buyers take on the full responsibility. I'm pretty sure there will be tracking and he knows who's package got to who so now he can easily do refunds to actually packages that don't make it. This I would not do with 98% of the vendors on Silk Road.
I advise all member that if you do not know/trust envious, do not work with him. It will not be an issue for envious' trusted buyers. Most trusted members knows that envious doesnt even do opiates and thats a hard vendor to find.
We are looking for suggestions here not a debate, so telling each other to "fuck off" and pointless crap like that is ridiculous, try to be civil folks it's a forum for discuss not the writing of the law of man.
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Am I at the circus??? So many back flips I swear its Cirque du Soleil!!
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I think we might be talking about two different things here. One, is that bunch of us had ordered from envious, and the orders didn't arrive. After a few days we started a thread, and several people were complaining. Envious didn't seem to sure what had happened, but there were enough of us, to realize that it wasn't some bullshit on the buyers side. That is was on his end. This had *nothing* to do with escrow. I was glad it was there. He offered to repay right away if we'd finalize. I had never dealt with him before, so I didn't finalize early. Some did, I didn't. We all got paid. To his credit.
After that, there were several threads about removing escrow. Envious is one of the people opposed to it, and has said that is why he quit selling...I never saw the connection, myself...yes, it cost him, but it wasn't because of escrow, or bad sellers...it was because product didn't arrive. And he did what *any* reputable seller who wants to keep his reputation did, and paid everybody back. It sucked for him, I get that. But to blame it on escrow.
But those of us who talk well about envious, it was because he back his play, paid his debts, and didn't leave us hanging...so he's go good rep. Escrow is something else.
And you can lift escrow within the system....so no need for everybody to get all bent out of shape. It says in SR you can send money to other people on SR...plain and simple. Or you can lift escrow early, like I do, but that's up to buyer, not seller. And I only do it for sellers I trust. I trust envious because when product didn't arrive, he paid up. Has nothing to do--imo--with escrow...I'm all for escrow. I wouldn't have bought from him if he hadn't of had it. Now I know him better, I'd lift it, but I agree: we don't go outside SR. They deserve their cut.
Edit: The *real* problem here is that we have shortage of *legit* dilaudid sellers ha ha ha...we need *two* good ones...then whoever gives best deal, gets the buyers :)
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I think we might be talking about two different things here. One, is that bunch of us had ordered from envious, and the orders didn't arrive. After a few days we started a thread, and several people were complaining. Envious didn't seem to sure what had happened, but there were enough of us, to realize that it wasn't some bullshit on the buyers side. That is was on his end. This had *nothing* to do with escrow. I was glad it was there. He offered to repay right away if we'd finalize. I had never dealt with him before, so I didn't finalize early. Some did, I didn't. We all got paid. To his credit.
After that, there were several threads about removing escrow. Envious is one of the people opposed to it, and has said that is why he quit selling...I never saw the connection, myself...yes, it cost him, but it wasn't because of escrow, or bad sellers...it was because product didn't arrive. And he did what *any* reputable seller who wants to keep his reputation did, and paid everybody back. It sucked for him, I get that. But to blame it on escrow.
But those of us who talk well about envious, it was because he back his play, paid his debts, and didn't leave us hanging...so he's go good rep. Escrow is something else.
And you can lift escrow within the system....so no need for everybody to get all bent out of shape. It says in SR you can send money to other people on SR...plain and simple. Or you can lift escrow early, like I do, but that's up to buyer, not seller. And I only do it for sellers I trust. I trust envious because when product didn't arrive, he paid up. Has nothing to do--imo--with escrow...I'm all for escrow. I wouldn't have bought from him if he hadn't of had it. Now I know him better, I'd lift it, but I agree: we don't go outside SR. They deserve their cut.
Edit: The *real* problem here is that we have shortage of *legit* dilaudid sellers ha ha ha...we need *two* good ones...then whoever gives best deal, gets the buyers :)
I still don't get it. If he was an established seller, he didn't "have" to give everyone a full refund. He could have a) re-shipped or b) Gone through the resolution system and as an established seller, would have a case for either no-refunds, (buyer beware) or a 50-50 split.
Anyway it's not for me, nomad or anyone else to really care about how he sells.
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I still don't get it. If he was an established seller, he didn't "have" to give everyone a full refund. He could have a) re-shipped or b) Gone through the resolution system and as an established seller, would have a case for either no-refunds, (buyer beware) or a 50-50 split.
Anyway it's not for me, nomad or anyone else to really care about how he sells.
I agree. I think there's some bullshit going on, I'm just not sure where or how...at the time, I would have been fine with a 50-50 my own self, but the impression I got, was that he knew that it had gone down on his end, and just did what any one of us would have/should have done...wasn't *that* big a deal to me, except that I wanted the product, and it didn't arrive, so finally order was canceled...I think I *did* notify SR, but by then it had been resolved...how it went from there to "That's why I hate escrow!" I never understood...or bought into...this wasn't as simple as it's being made out, and people are getting into fight over failure to communicate...I think....as u said: he can do as he pleases...as I said: we need more dilaudid sellers... ;)
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I have no problem with SR getting their cut, in fact Silk Road and I could perhaps work this out between us. The previous issue really has nothing to do with the escrow, a few customers even finalized and I refunded them manually in that situation. I suspect the packs were stolen, by a certain postal worker that I was friendly with and had worked out a nice system for shipping with. Basically I think he waited until he saw that I had a very large amount of packs and decided to yank them. I have no proof of this but again the problem is moot as I have worked out a new system to ship that he would have no access to. The escrow problem derives from the fact that I am not comfortable putting thousands of dollars into the hands of someone else I don't personally know (hell probably not even someone i do personally know). I know you guys put Silk Road on a pedestal and he is a great guy, but he is not immune to law enforcement, hackers, or server problems. All your money is on his server. If something happens to it, you can kiss your money goodbye. I know Silk Road would do everything in his power to prevent this, but stuff like that can be out of his control. I have been in this scene long enough to know that these sites do not last forever, and if you believe Silk Road will be here forever you are kidding yourself. I guess I just tend to think ahead, and yes I am being selfish. But I'm not going to commit a felony and lose money. Yes the volatility costed me a lot of money before the hedging feature was implemented. I have never used the feature so I don't know how well it works. There is also the issue of buyer fraud and slackers who don't login to confirm delivery. During my last LSD sale I had about 5 or 6 users who never confirmed delivery until it auto-finalized. Guess how long it takes to auto-finalize? 30 days. In that time BTC went from 31$ to 17$. I don't think escrow hedging would cover that big of a drop. As far as product goes, I don't see anyone else offering Opana IR or Dilaudid in the opiate category, and certainly no US->US LSD vendors last I looked. I can see there is about a 50/50 split on people who think this is okay and people who don't. Basically i think it comes down to Silk Road himself deciding, as it is his site. I will respect his wishes whatever he decides. Nomad had the idea of me just not shipping until the transactions are finalized. That sounds like it would work good for me and SR. SR gets their cut and I don't have to wait for funds from escrow. Thats exactly why I started this thread. Kinks must be worked out. Again, like I said in the beginning, if someone does not feel comfortable going through me without escrow, then I would ask they don't buy from me in the first place. I am not asking for special treatment, but I do think that trusted sellers that have been around for a long time and proven themselves should have some extra privileges per say (not sure if that is the right word to use here). Kind Bud, 3Jane, bloomingcolor, DigitalAlch. These are all vendors that should be regarded as highly trusted in my eyes.
@SR_Seller_Accounts That could have been said with much less hostility. Like I said, I have no problem with Silk Road taking their cut. If they implemented the feature then I would happily use it. I am willing to work this out with Silk Road himself. Yeah, I want money. Isn't that why people vend? I am not trying to be philanthropic or altruistic. For some reason, my topics always start these debates when I don't mean them to.
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I agree...like I said...all u got to do is call, I'm game...on you and 3 other sellers, I lift escrow, my choice...we have problems, we'll sort it out between us...and you're the only one, so far, might sell what I want...so jump back into the fray ... just give me a running start on the d's please :)
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rock on envious !
I can confirm that everyone at GreenCo shares all of your concerns and also lost a TON of money during the craziness. It totally messed up their system and they still have not recovered. Many buyers went out of business completely. GreenCo has never lost a package on Silk Road but they have had buyers who never released escrow GreenCo never did wholesale deals though Silk Road because it is just too much money to not have control over. -But -they do not list items on Silk Road that do not conform to Silk Road rules.
Minor update, the auto-finalize has been reduced to 20 days. I am pushing for even less; if a buyer doesn't release escrow in one week they either forgot to log back on or the package has not arrived and they should get a refund.
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Ok so he refunded the money, that's good. Before that did he ship product?
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http://ianxz6zefk72ulzz.onion/index.php/silkroad/user/1444
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Ok, sounds legit. If I wanted something he was selling I'd go outside SR.
I think it's wrong to use SR without them getting their cut and escrow should be offered but I also agree with 100% risk on the buyer purchases as, like Joe Bloe said it is the way it's always been done. WU, MG later egold and no BTC (honestly I'd prefer to just send WU or MG if anyone decided to start taking it ) You decided based on recommendations of others you respected. You sent the money and hoped for the best and yeah sometimes solid guys burned you in the end. The good thing was the prices. They were always discounted enough where you could actually retail them locally and make money, benzo's seemed to have the highest margins but I think even green was being had at 280 per oz from our buddies up north and it would always weigh over and be the finest.
In real life, no - 99% you don't give the guy the money. There is no reason most of the time.
That being said I do believe it isn't right to do that on SR. Anywhere else, hell yeah. I will admit that if it's done on SR I'll participate, buying at least even though I think it isn't right. I don't know how to explain that but it isn't my responsibility to ensure SR's financial model.
I also think this type of purchasing could help strengthen the escrow. If it becomes allowed there will be scammers, even legit vendors when busted, junked out or through losing a source will sometimes rip you off in the end. So there will be threads about people getting scammed this should help to strengthen the escrow idea in newer buyers minds. Then sellers can offer escrow for a decent mark up (shit i never though about the prices falling before the seller could get it out of esrcow, fuck that. I would never take that chance as a seller , specially on opiates).
Just have a running thread where people post the typical "1/1 paid, 1/2 shipped, 1/5 received : Holy shit! This..." type post that is updated.
I'd be interested in hearing some prices.
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Hmmm...ok, I was out of line and need to apologize. Specifically to SR_Seller_Accounts. Mr. SRSA, I'm sorry I was profane to you. Sincerely. My bad. It was completely inappropo.
I really just thought people should take *some* notice of how rare a not-constantly-opiate-addled seller of opiates really is these days. That he is honest, organized, timely, etc. pretty much makes him a unicorn in my book. I also thought it was obvious to anyone who kept up from the old forum that he had been ripped off by someone close to him (a postal employee apparently). Envious is a big boy, he didn't need me preaching his praises, he can take care of himself.
Opiate addiction is a national epidemic and LE is very serious about it; which makes the procurement and recreational use of opiates more difficult. Prior to last October when FL changed their pain clinic laws, the rivers flowed with oxy and percs. Now not so much and as with anything where there is more demand than supply, everything about dealing with it is somehow much less convenient.
But all that aside, this is a forum of basically good people with similar goals and the need to respect that and maintain decorum is paramount so the level of conversation isn't degraded like lucy under a grow light.
So I also apologize to everyone else here. I will keep this etiquette faux pas in mind when posting in the future.
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Yea, I too would like to see the auto finalize cut dramatically. So far, I have not had an order from start to finish take more than 5 days total. I think that if you ship from the US and it's recipient is in the US the total time to finalize shouldnt be more than 10 days. EU to US an US to EU might be different.
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Ahh the good old days before you had to "file your paperwork" which is now the hardest part of it all, lol and most costly.
Joe you mentioned DB before and Serbia which I'm thinking places you on OP as well. Did you go by this same name in that community?
Just to not derail the thread, Envious - prices. It's been an hour since I asked. I kid, I kid.
Opiate addiction is a national epidemic and LE is very serious about it; which makes the procurement and recreational use of opiates more difficult. Prior to last October when FL changed their pain clinic laws, the rivers flowed with oxy and percs. Now not so much and as with anything where there is more demand than supply, everything about dealing with it is somehow much less convenient.
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Joe you mentioned DB before and Serbia which I'm thinking places you on OP as well. Did you go by this same name in that community?
Ha! No, not a chance. I can't use my seller's name from those days here; too well known. I'm not a seller anymore, just a personal use buyer. Nothing to see here...anymore. JoeBlow was just the most innocuous thing I could think of...
If you were on DB from the inception up to late 03' and needed overnight delivery of opiates or benzos, that was probably me. 'nuff said.
To bring it back to envious though: one of the beauties of this forum and OVDB is that the any noob can see that the old timers and the other noobs are giving similar, consistent feedback to the highly trusted vendors. So, any new arrival can quickly and easily compare notes and see where to most safely spend their money. Another good reason to trust envious or DigitalAlch or Nomad or several others.
Not like on DB where the owner (AM), would take money from certain vendors and then write dozens of positive feedback posts for them in the threads. Or blast trusted vendors who refused to pay him for said feedback "enhancements". BTW, he also turned over the database as part of his plea in one of his DUI cases.
So many things are better in the land of Tor...
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only interested in the mayans but gotta spend $300 damn..will the minimum order be reduced in the future?
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The 300$ minimum will only be applied to the opiates. The LSD will be lower perhaps 100$. Sorry forgot to clarify that.
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Hehe good luck with that.
The 300$ minimum will only be applied to the opiates.
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some sellers don't mess around with small amounts. That's fine. If you are new or are a small time buyer you don't have to worry, this doesn't apply to you.
envious's market is buyers who trust him who will put up the money. If you are not in both of those categories then you don't need to worry about it.
@ClayG the question isn't about if he can get it, he can, but how envious can it that protects him and his buyers and is true to Silk Road and the community.
@envious you might consider selling $50 samplers on Silk Road with normal escrow or some other method that only risks a small % I do like your ship after payment confirmed idea. Some buyers will not go for it but it preserves the feedback system and Silks cut. The advantage you gain over other Sellers not having to wait for escrow is balanced by diminished appeal of non-escrow sales and seems overall fair to me.
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Yeah, second to *doing* drugs, talking about them has got to be the most popular activity. All I know, is that nobody reputable has been providing dilaudids that actually arrive, in quite some time. Not since site 'recovered'.
Talking theory and 'what if' gets old after a day or so, and seller's credibilty also goes down hill when you realize they aren't providing anything on SR. I've steadily said, that all we really need are *two* dilaudid sellers, and all these threads would fade away. And the seller who actually comes thru would end up owning the market *and* the group of serious opiate buyers who tend to let each other know in these forums whether product is showing up on time, and without problems.
You don't get people to front money just because you meet your obligations when shit goes south. I'm on SR because I like SR and the whole seller/buyer setup here. People who want to operate outside of SR are welcome to do it. Start your own onion site, see how you do. But I don't know any vendors active at this time who have the credibility based on *supply* to pull this off. My suggestion to sellers who actually can obtain hardcore opiates regularly is that they sell them for about six months, and gain *consistent* positive feedback, before they go off into pipe-dreams. There are already several ways to bypass proxy, if you show you can deliver the goods...in a timely manner. Nobody is doing that.
What is *said* on here, is not near as important--or interesting--or credible--as what is *sold* on SR. And what I see are some overpriced ER opana and a bunch of boring pills. Some interesting UK methaddone, true...but nothing exceptional. Dilaudid is king. What we need is a seller who delivers. The rest is bubblegum speculation. Fun but useless.
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envious, I'm glad you figured out a way to continue selling here. The US->US LSD drought here is a killer.
I like the idea of just asking the buyers to finalize immediately. If they don't like it, they shouldn't buy.
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All I know, is that nobody reputable has been providing dilaudids that actually arrive'.
Hm? Apart from Oxycodone and Morphine I already sold a lot of Hydromorphone (Palladone) and my 100% feedback says, that every buyer received his order. Take a closer look ;-)
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^ Ya, but you're out of stock and you don't ship to the states (yet) ! ;D
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^ Ya, but you're out of stock
Thats right, but i'll offer new Oxycodone 40s and Palladone in the next few days.
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@BenzoMan I have been guilty of it also, but try not to straight up jack a competing seller's thread.
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In my eyes Palladone and Dilaudid are completely different products, even though they are the same active ingredient. AFAIK you can't prepare Palladone for injection and thats what makes Dilaudid so great.
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In my eyes Palladone and Dilaudid are completely different products, even though they are the same active ingredient. AFAIK you can't prepare Palladone for injection and thats what makes Dilaudid so great.
you are 100 percent correct. Palladone is for oral use only! Its next to impossible to inject it or even snort it, for that matter. So, IMHO, palladone is a complete waste, unless you like it orally. Dillies, on the other hand. is quite the opposite.
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Benzoman is absolutely right: I should have been more clear, and I apologize. Often I've wished he lived where it wouldn't be an overseas mail. Well done, and you've a well deserved great reputation. And I need to be more careful when I post this kind of statement!
U.S. to U.S. we're kind of dry in this area, and have had some bad experiences lately which we generalize about, incorrectly. My apologies to benzoman and the other peridodic stateside opiate shippers...like I said, last couple weeks in US have had some bad experiences, and I was generalizing...I'm mostly just trying to jumpstart a couple of good vendors that can get dilaudid, but are hesitating...I figure if I irritate them enough, they'll start coming through ;)
We've got a whole crew of hardcore injectable opiate thirsty buyers...and we get lots of posts, but little product.
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Trust me I'm working on it.
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What makes me curious is that no one wants oxycodone IR for shooting here while locally on the streets people that shoot seem to like them from what they said on the news or some guy at the bathroom urinal said, can't remember which.
Do all people just dislike roxy?
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Trust me I'm working on it.
I know you are...I'm just making sure you remember me! ;)
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What makes me curious is that no one wants oxycodone IR for shooting here while locally on the streets people that shoot seem to like them from what they said on the news or some guy at the bathroom urinal said, can't remember which.
Do all people just dislike roxy?
How do you know no one is buying Roxy to shoot?
Roxies are fine for shooting but the bang for the buck is lower than the Dilaudid and Opana.
It's like this you may only get 1 shot out of a Roxy, 2 out of a Dilaudid and 4-5 out of an Opana.
Some can even get 4 of 1 Dilaudid and some can get 6 out of an Opana. Tolerance dependent.
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Just when you hear about people wanting diluadid when they can't get it , I'm surprised(since locally people do shoot it) they don't follow up with "but at least I can get roxys". It's like they aren't mentioned at all by people that like the dilaudids, which is cool but makes me wonder if it's a different feeling or if it's just so much lower, but now I see. You get less bang for your buck, so I guess it's sort of like asking people who like the roxys how come they dont get 5mg percocets when they can't get them.
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Where I live there are always roxies (just depends on pricing) but never dilaudid.
When you compare how many scrips are written for roxies and how many for dilaudid every year in the US...it's like 20 to 1.
And every guy that shoots has read William S. Burroughs and seen "Drugstore Cowboy" and they all want those old style diluadid where you could just put them in a little water and shake the bottle and they'd dissolve 100%. A lot of romantic mysticism attached to that. Or like when was the last time you saw a demerol? Been forever right? Just like ludes. Dilaudid is the only mythic drug left. I hear they hide in a cave, hibernating, most of the year and hang out with the real, cut-a-shaving-with-a-razorblade fish scale coke and the raw #4 heroin. :D
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Yep: old 'd's were coldshakers, and then they came out with the ones you had to crush up. I don't quite no how to say this, but a needle freak wants to shoot up, no matter what it is...I've crushed up percocets, tylox, percodans, methadone pills. Dilaudid is good, and it's always good. Heroin, u never know, unless it's your neighborhood. And yeah, oxycodone, whether perks or oxycontin or roxys is predictable, and alright...but it doesn't hit your belly and your knees like a D does. Used to be K4's all over N Florida, but it was before the oxycontin came out, and a whole generation and white subculture discovered the joys of opiates first...then eventually, out of desperation, heroin...but they wouldn't have become junkies, most of'em, if oxycontin hadn't come along...
But it's still just oxycodone, and no matter how much I do, it's not as good as even a 2mg dilaudid. Just not as powerful. It's better than hydrocodone, and yeah, you can fix oxys...but not *that* much better...
Worst bummer is all the tylenol cut. Percodans were much easier to break down and fix because aspirin separated with water, but all the abuse, made them start cutting them with tylox...and that's a mess...
Oh well, junky lore, watcha gonna do.
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I know what you mean. I don't even like to rail (I hate needles!) but the *ritual* of cooking up...it's fascinating even to me. Anticipation....aaahhh!
And a big +1 on the white burbs' chewing up all the oxy. It's a whole new generation of H boys now. I used to make a huge income, but there's no income big enough to support an oxy habit. I developed that habit when a guy in Brasil would send me unlimited 40's for $12. Those days are loooong gone! ::)
I can safely say I wouldn't be here now if I never saw an oxy. I'd just have friends send me little bottles of codeine down from Canada a few times a year when I wanted to get all warm and fuzzy and party. The old lyric "what were once vices are now habits". And when you have nothing...a little cold water extraction and you've got very cheap, very effective medicine. I'm *betting* you learned CWE on opiophile, right? Ha! I did too.
I used to love opiophile. That Rachamim was the best junky storyteller. And he knew his shit; inside and out. Only person I ever really knew who knew poppy to heroin processors by name, met their families, and knew their brands. Never got a single bit of bad advice from him. Or anybody there really.
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Damn that $300 minimum is going to kill me. Anyone want to split an order with me? heh. I don't even know if envious would be down to ship to 2 different addresses
on one order. Would be nice though.
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Damn that $300 minimum is going to kill me. Anyone want to split an order with me? heh. I don't even know if envious would be down to ship to 2 different addresses
on one order. Would be nice though.
I'm pretty sure that is to cut out the none serious opiate users and to cut down on the amount of weekly packages he has to send out. :D
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From experience, the onzees's and twozies are a pain in the ass!!!
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I used to love opiophile. That Rachamim was the best junky storyteller. And he knew his shit; inside and out. Only person I ever really knew who knew poppy to heroin processors by name, met their families, and knew their brands. Never got a single bit of bad advice from him. Or anybody there really.
Yeah, I've been on opiophile a long time, but I'll take off for long periods too. I"m pretty well known on there, but I've been quiet about it on here--and about SR on there--more to protect my identity. There's been some pretty scary threads about SR on OP but obviously I wasn't convinced. I had gone a long time off of opiates, then got in an accident years ago, got IV dilaudids in hospital, and got all strungout again, and haven't been able to really shake it for years now, and don't hardly even try. I sure wish they'd legalize this crap, as I'm not all that fond of jailhouse dominoes myself.
And I always like Rach too: was pretty convincing about Cambodia being one of the last great heroin tourist destinations. But I mostly just liked his stories about NYC in the old days....I like NE city stories myself...oh well, sure seems like not much happening on SR with hardcore opiates...at least not with sellers I know and trust...
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Damn that $300 minimum is going to kill me. Anyone want to split an order with me? heh. I don't even know if envious would be down to ship to 2 different addresses
on one order. Would be nice though.
I'm pretty sure that is to cut out the none serious opiate users and to cut down on the amount of weekly packages he has to send out. :D
Ah, well. Looks like I'll be living on rice and beans for 2 weeks.
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Hey Envious,
Could we please have some listings and prices. Life is very dry in the land of the opiate. Really lousy.
I'm already spitting sand. Patooey! See?
Anticipation...it's making me wait.... :o
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Damn that $300 minimum is going to kill me. Anyone want to split an order with me? heh. I don't even know if envious would be down to ship to 2 different addresses
on one order. Would be nice though.
I'm pretty sure that is to cut out the none serious opiate users and to cut down on the amount of weekly packages he has to send out. :D
Ah, well. Looks like I'll be living on rice and beans for 2 weeks.
You won't need much more than rice and beans anyway. :P
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OPIOPHILES UNITE! I am thinking of becoming a camwhore to pay for my orders. SR has taught me a lot about patience and discipline. If I want something, I have to wait. There is no instant gratification.
Its almost as if I'm learning moderation with opiates! Amazing!
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Sorry this is taking so long folks... Getting my stock is taking longer than expected.
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Envious are we going to be able to mix and match and not have to buy 300 of any one prodcut? Also talking about the old Days on DB and those other sites...anyone remember dez or desaree, she went solid for acouple years and offered more than ive seen anyone else ever offer...even that oxyfast which i have yet to see again. She would also hold specials once in a awhile which was cool. heres a small part of a list from 08 lol
80::::::::::42$
30:::17$ (blue Roxy)
7.5 Percs::::3.50$
Kpin 2mgs::::2.50
Zanny 2mgbars 3.50
8mg Dillys:::::13.50$
OXYFAST::::: 320$ a bottle
A bottle is 300ml or 600mg of liquid oxy- (30ml or 600mg of oxy)
oxyfast by the ML 1ML=20MG oxy (explanation below)
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She must of owned a pharmacy or got a rediculous amount of goodies very cheap. I think it's more of a pain to sale here. I don't want to hijack envious' thread but, it takes a long time to put a package together, not to mention the extra cost of that plus time and not to mention the btc, etc... If done right, it's not as easy as you think....
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I'm almost positive you will be able to "Mix a N Match" your opiates from envious.
;D
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I"m actually happy with SR. And there are enough sellers that do come through, when the demand is there. Works for me, and I find that other sellers are rising up and actually selling the opiates we've been missing for, what...a week or two? I know there is lots of speculation among *potential* sellers...but everything has a short shelf life, including reputations...and right now a couple of sellers are doing just fine providing product. And since they are providing what we need, we are making it easier on them as they gain credibility.
What happened on other forums, or might happen here isn't near as interesting to me as what *is* being sold right now...I came to SR because I liked the setup here: I like TOR, I like escrow for most situations, and I try to be real supportive and make it easier for sellers to work within the system we have, and I find that SR has changed when change was helpful, and not changed when that was indicated...me, I'm cool with what we have, and from what I can see, so are plenty others...
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Hear, hear! Agreed good sir! SR is a fine place and as it attracts more and more sellers who do a good job of both keeping anonymous and providing good product at reasonable prices, it will get even better.
Hopefully, the variety and ability for new sellers to come online at SR will prevent it from becoming what most other forums either start out as or become: a place where one or two people really control all the action. In this sense, SR is the most democratic I've seen. There is no inherent advantage to being one of SR's best friends prior to the opening of SR. A new seller is on the exact same footing as an old seller.
A lot of the concepts needed to make good business at SR are just the same as in any legal business. I'm all for it: the variety and the competition. Let's be good to SR and we'll find that SR then can be good to us for years to come. :D
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Dess was super good people but definitely lacking in the security department. I think I had seen photos of her and knew her full name. Quite unfortunate how it ended for her...
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Envious: any updates?
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Envious: any updates?
Patience is a virtue....esp. in this case. ;)
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Yes. I have got it worked out but I don't want to give any time frames yet because that didn't work out so well last time! Dilaudid and Opana IRs will be offered for sure very soon... Probably gonna just drop the Roxis since we got alot of suppliers in that department anyway... LSD is a sure thing too but not sure how quick that will happen. I am doing my best but there is some complications that have delayed things... personal matters on my suppliers end. I have not faded away though. :)
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You might as well carry the oxy's. It looks like there will be 3 suppliers of dilaudid soon. right now, there is only 2 roxie suppliers. I say the more the merrier, lol..
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Just wanted to give an update that I decided $300 was too steep so I will be going with a minimum of $150. I am really hoping to get up and running this week but my supplier has some major health problems that is delaying everything. *crosses fingers*
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Just wanted to give an update that I decided $300 was too steep so I will be going with a minimum of $150. I am really hoping to get up and running this week but my supplier has some major health problems that is delaying everything. *crosses fingers*
mmmmm 8mg dillies :D
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Yeah stock Roxys, people where crying and screaming for dillaudids then when they came everyone got silent. I heard one dude got a script from his doc just for people on here pm'ing him saying they would move online, he confided in me he moved 0 online and only 1 locally!
Roxys are universal. Just dont corrupt the market on price ;)
You might as well carry the oxy's. It looks like there will be 3 suppliers of dilaudid soon. right now, there is only 2 roxie suppliers. I say the more the merrier, lol..
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Yeah stock Roxys, people where crying and screaming for dillaudids then when they came everyone got silent. I heard one dude got a script from his doc just for people on here pm'ing him saying they would move online, he confided in me he moved 0 online and only 1 locally!
Roxys are universal. Just dont corrupt the market on price ;)
Then one dude had his dillies extremely overpriced.
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20 for a 4mg is overpriced on a send first? I'm talking right now pricing not the 20 for a purdue 8mg in the futute you posted on another vendors thread after he said what he would price his at. I know you have your guy and that's all good, I actually respect Envious for taking a stand as a seller against whining. and it would be fucking awesome for you to endorse/defend a guy who turns out to be legit in the end, a win win for everyone.
I honestly think it was just a matter of overzelousness on the prospective vendors part, not the price since 20 would be less than half of what the guy said he would pay originally.
Yeah stock Roxys, people where crying and screaming for dillaudids then when they came everyone got silent. I heard one dude got a script from his doc just for people on here pm'ing him saying they would move online, he confided in me he moved 0 online and only 1 locally!
Roxys are universal. Just dont corrupt the market on price ;)
Then one dude had his dillies extremely overpriced.
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Yeah I agree with Nomad, he is on point when it comes to Envious. He seems like the real fucking McCoy and I would go with him over anyone else right now because of the way the guy has been doing his business here and of other places I haven't been at.
Envious I totally understand the health problem thing, I am going thru the the same thing (for quite some time now) and I really appreciate the price drop too! Even though I will probably go a little higher on my purchase than minimum requirement. But, since we all wanna keep things quiet around the LE you won't have to worry about me sobbing to you tomorrow or some shit. I wanna get an amount to keep me quiet and there will be less packages arriving.
I am getting super excited right now!!!! 8)
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Dess was super good people but definitely lacking in the security department. I think I had seen photos of her and knew her full name. Quite unfortunate how it ended for her...
Wow, then you go back longer than your youthful vitality would indicate. ;) I'm guessing she was your supplier during your slamming heyday? I know she was mine during my most raucous times.
But for anyone on this board tho' it just goes to show that having a *professional* supplier is worth their weight in gold. No drama, no LE, no crazy eyes at your PO box when you pick up. These are all things that people who've done a lot of drugs can appreciate in a vendor.
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Hmm I'm not too worried about them moving as I was getting 20+ orders a day previously. I hope to keep my previous prices of 25$ per 8mg Dilaudid, 30$ per 10mg Opana IR, and 25$ per 30mg Roxi IR if I end up stocking them again. This is what I hope... Please don't hold me to it if it ends up being a tad bit more. I really hate to keep posting about this because I know it sucks when it takes forever to happen, but I do plan on stocking enough that I should be good for a while when it finally does. The only reason I have access to these meds is because of my supplier's health problems. Unfortunately, these problems are the reason it is taking so long as well. It's a catch 22.
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Cool, thanks for the update! 8) I'm going to not ask for anymore updates though, there is a point where I don't need to know anything else. :P
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I guess I need to edit my response since the PM that I was responding to was removed. It doesn't make sense anymore..
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Considering what some people charge for 30mg Roxies, yeah I agree. I would say that $30 for a 10mg IR Opana is pretty much getting exactly what you're paying for.