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Market => Rumor mill => Topic started by: Kryptonite83 on July 01, 2011, 12:50 am
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Anyone have any experience with this vendor? They are offering East Coast Stamped Bags of H from the East Coast...but only have one review. (5/5 fwiw) Just wondering if anyone else has ordered from this vendor, and what your experiences are. Very weary right now, especially with this product, and recent scammings!
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I've talked with him on several occasions via the SR pm system and he's a very friendly seemly good hearted guy, as for his vending I can't really comment on yet, but have a good feeling about him and is currently thinking of placing an order next week.
Also he said he sent out some orders and should start getting feedback in a day or too.
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As am I...just a bit concerned with the lack of a PGP Key
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I placed a custom order (which he was happy to do,even at a discount for a first time buyer) not shipped yet, although I know heroin dealers being kinda slooooow/holiday weekend might be the case. I'll let you know when it hopefully arrives
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Hello SR,
In the next week you guys will have some customer reviews to look at. I had an overwhelming response to the "rope-a-dope" special. I can definitely understand the concern of some 'h' vendor just popping up out of nowhere with one review.
I am doiing my best to deliver a quality product, at a price that is not pure insanity, as quickly as possible. And to be honest, I have had a lot of fun in the past few days tending my items, meeting the customers, reading the forums, etc. I'm looking forward to meeting a lot of you guys. Thank you Silk Road for a successful week.
illy
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I also ordered a bag a couple days ago. No response from Illy however.
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I ordered on Thursday and Illy responded yesterday, though it hasn't moved to "in transit." It is a holiday weekend, so we shouldn't expect a whole lot. I'm paying with BTC that I had gotten back from another vendor that didn't deliver. Escrow really is the way to go. I've got high hopes for Illy. I hope he comes through.
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Hello Everyone,
@sjg: You will get your order, I promise. I don't make the selection from "processing" to "in transit" until the packages have physically left my posession. I would have mailed them on Friday or even Saturday, but experience suggests that it is not a good idea to leave certain packages just sitting at US Mail facilities over holidays/weekends so I decided to be on the safe side and just mail them out Tuesday morning.
I hope that my decision did not cause you any inconvenience.
illy
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I have faith in you Bro. I know you'll come through.
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In regards to my OP. I have had numerous conversations with illy in the last few days, and have a good feeling he/she is the real deal! No orders yet from me, so take that comment with a grain of salt, but they have been extremely helpful thus far!
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Well this seems to be a bad week for opiates...but in this specific case: mine hasn't shown yet...since you say you don't post 'in transit' until it's on it's way, I'm thinking sometihng has happened...I sent pm...has *anybody* recieved anything yet?
This is when it sucks to be a buyer...anyway, no good news on my end...and it's been a week...
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My order was just cancelled after 2 days
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I ordered on thurday and Illy sent a PM and posted here on the forums, so I'm not nervous. Like I said (and like Illy said) it is the holiday weekend and I can tell you that I didn't work from Friday through today, so I don't expect my dealer to. We have high expectations as consumers anyway, but with drugs it is ridiculous. If a seller hasn't shipped the product 5 minutes after ordering, everybody gets their panties in a bunch. Besides, this is why we have escrow. Illy won't get anything if he doesn't ship the product and it will cost me nothing.
My gut tells me that Illy will ship tomorrow and I'll get the product by the end of the week.
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Hi everyone,
On Thursday I mailed a lot of orders, at least thirty of them. I am positive that the bulk of these will be delivered tuesday. The rest will reach their destinations shortly in the week. The previous poster made a good point -- I get nothing out of spending my time on here, writing emails back and forth to potential customers, etc. if the escrow does not permit me to recieve funds. And that is all dependent on you guys recieving your parcels.
For that simple reason, be patient everyone, and all will be okay :)
I did have to cancel a couple orders last night, and here is why: Originally i never anticipated the demand for this product on SR. By the time I quickly sold $500 in product, the next morning I had $200 more to ship out--which was great, but eventually it snowballed to the point where I now have $120 bitcoins in escrow but no liquid money to "re up" with so I had to cancel until some orders were recieved and I could access the original cash. I have since acquired more funding for Illy's "rope-a-dope" stamp specials and I shouldn't have to cancel ever again. I just didn't want to keep those few waiting. If they decide to reorder I will offer a $10 discount.
There were two other people I had to cancel also, not you v86, but others, well their behavior just didn't seem right. One guy wanted to send money directly to my address instead of using bitcoin and that was very FED like, and a couple others just seemed too damn young and inexperienced to be messing with stamp bags.
So everything is going to come around soon folks. Please remember that the substance that I sell can be a difficult one to vend with all its nuances and what not....just be patient and everyone will be happy, i am NOT a scammer.
illy
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^^
SO beautiful ;D :'(
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BTC only policy. :D
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Yeah, I got faith renewed by yer pm, illy: u come thru and you keep protecting us, and you'll have a tough loyal crew in your corner...many of us have been wanting on this product above all, and are just hoping someone righteous, who can continue this, will show ... just be careful, and keep us out of the heat's eagle eye, and we'll all do fine. Good thinking on the one's you canceled too...u *know* who's going to be trying to find a way to get to you, so always shy away from anything that exposes you ... I'm hoping tomorrow or next day news improves...I lost around 47 btc thru stupidity yesterday, and need something good to happen... :)
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Mine arrived today! 5 stamp bags of high quality and decent size. I believe it was shipped thursday, and it would've arrived sooner if not for the holiday. I talked with Illy a few times before through pm and he seems like a straightforward guy. Maybe bit off more than he could chew at first as he had to cancel a few orders, but I'm pretty confident he's got shit together already and will be a very popular guy soon :)
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I sure hope today is the day: I B a sick boy, and I'm holding off doing these crappy mdone pill hoping he comes thru...
EDIT: Just got here :) Well done illy! Good job, all is well...or, more importantly, *I'm* well! :) :) :)
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Glad to hear all this great news about illy. :D
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Illy, highly suggest you use PGP! It will makes us all feel better!
edit:nvm just got your pm :D
(illy=def quick on the replies)
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Illy, highly suggest you use PGP! It will makes us all feel better!
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(illy=def quick on the replies)
Yes on the PGP: you're doing everything else right, might as well be one of the class A sellers who give us PGP option...I know it seems a pain, but it's actually only a couple hours fiddling around, and that's with linux...if you've got windows, it's even easier, just go to http://www.gpg4win.org/
: you could always pm some of us u've done business with with your public key, after you get it, and we could send you ours...it's good practice, and if nothing else, makes us feel a little more secure...
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I can vouch for Illy, my order arrived early this morning (just one stamp bag). Unfortunately I had some pc issues, so my review is one of the "Leave feedback here." types.
Needless to say, I'd give Illy a 5/5. Was well packaged, arrived quickly, and used printed labels. Product has me feeling nice as well. ;)
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I can vouch for Illy, my order arrived early this morning (just one stamp bag). Unfortunately I had some pc issues, so my review is one of the "Leave feedback here." types.
Needless to say, I'd give Illy a 5/5. Was well packaged, arrived quickly, and used printed labels. Product has me feeling nice as well. ;)
I *loved* those labels...perfect for me, and made it look a whole lot less like an envelope sealed by my junky brotherinlaw while drooling beer...totally unpretentious and cool...I immedately got back with him...like I've said before...anybody who does us right, those of us in this little crew, he'll be our ace for a long time...I just hope he takes care of himself...u know how this shit is, especially if you like yer own product...(sigh)
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Hi Silk Road,
Just wanted to say how happy I am that you guys seem pleased with my little service. I'm actually thrilled about it.
I've been getting a lot of requests for encryption, and today I will begin learning it. I took a look at it a few days ago and it kind of intimidated me so I moved on to another project.
More orders will be hitting their destinations today, and a large wave will be going out as well.
Thanks for your support guys.
Illy
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Hit the Security section of the forums illy and get yourself some PGP.
If you are on windows the GPA interface is really simple to use.
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Hey Illy...sent you a msg on the Main Site about our arrangement. I don't think I have to tell you how EXCITED I am!!! :) :) :) Get back to me when you can. Also..if you can't get through the PGP/GPG encryption..maybe we can work together and figure it out. Nomad..would you be willing to assist us? Illy knows the importance of this...as I have been preaching it to him/her since we started corresponding. Well..obviously I am not much better, because as a buyer, I have not set the agility to encrypt msgs either. (And I am sure it is even more important for the buyer, since we are the only one releasing any damning info) Also..selling might be on the horizon for me as well. (40mg Opana ER's) Anyway, Illy, hit me back asap..and I am sure we will figure it out. -KRYP
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Yes i will contact illy a bit later during some downtime and help him get setup. :D
Edit: This thread illy will give you more info and be more helpful than me trying to help you via pm's :D
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=131.0
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So happy to hear this about illy. Very excited to see his wares on the site!!!! May have to pickup a stamp me self :o :o
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Hi Silk Road,
Just wanted to say how happy I am that you guys seem pleased with my little service. I'm actually thrilled about it.
I've been getting a lot of requests for encryption, and today I will begin learning it. I took a look at it a few days ago and it kind of intimidated me so I moved on to another project.
More orders will be hitting their destinations today, and a large wave will be going out as well.
Thanks for your support guys.
Illy
Yep: just remember to be real protective or yourself, and your--and our--info. PGP or not, we don't need to know anything about you, and the reverse is also true...it's always tempting on here to start giving out more trust and info than is needed, and that way is perilous. So far you're doing everything right, and you lead the pack in this product, so just be wary and prosper, but you get any pm's of *anybody* trying to do side deals, or email you, or get more info than is just necessary for transaction, don't go for it. But like everybody else, I'm happy for you, and grateful, that, of all the no-shows of last week, you came through...well done! :)
EDIT: All we really need is, once you set up GPG, is your public key for sending directions...
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Hi Silk Road,
Just wanted to say how happy I am that you guys seem pleased with my little service. I'm actually thrilled about it.
I've been getting a lot of requests for encryption, and today I will begin learning it. I took a look at it a few days ago and it kind of intimidated me so I moved on to another project.
More orders will be hitting their destinations today, and a large wave will be going out as well.
Thanks for your support guys.
Illy
Illy after reading this post, it calmed my nerves some, and i hope you sent mine out on the 6th...and after reading the posts, im sure youre very busy. But could you tell me if it shipped, when it shipped, and if you shipped via Priority (you marked the bags shipped, but not priority mail), and if you didnt ship them yet, i would like to order another, and just cancel the Priority, sorry im putting this on the forum, but i havent got a response from you since around Saturday.
Also, if you want some help with PGP, ive already coached two other people on it (if you are using GPG4Win - great and easy to use product), so im sure i could do another.
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Illy after reading this post, it calmed my nerves some, and i hope you sent mine out on the 6th...and after reading the posts, im sure youre very busy. But could you tell me if it shipped, when it shipped, and if you shipped via Priority (you marked the bags shipped, but not priority mail), and if you didnt ship them yet, i would like to order another, and just cancel the Priority, sorry im putting this on the forum, but i havent got a response from you since around Saturday.
Also, if you want some help with PGP, ive already coached two other people on it (if you are using GPG4Win - great and easy to use product), so im sure i could do another.
You might pm him again: he's turned out to be pretty solid, but also, I think, kind of overwhelmed with orders and shit, and might have missed your pm. I know how frustrating it can be, when everybody seems to be getting their shit but you, and it's good to keep the communication going, so best wishes, hope you sort it out...
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Illy after reading this post, it calmed my nerves some, and i hope you sent mine out on the 6th...and after reading the posts, im sure youre very busy. But could you tell me if it shipped, when it shipped, and if you shipped via Priority (you marked the bags shipped, but not priority mail), and if you didnt ship them yet, i would like to order another, and just cancel the Priority, sorry im putting this on the forum, but i havent got a response from you since around Saturday.
Also, if you want some help with PGP, ive already coached two other people on it (if you are using GPG4Win - great and easy to use product), so im sure i could do another.
You might pm him again: he's turned out to be pretty solid, but also, I think, kind of overwhelmed with orders and shit, and might have missed your pm. I know how frustrating it can be, when everybody seems to be getting their shit but you, and it's good to keep the communication going, so best wishes, hope you sort it out...
Im sure im just being antsy, but he did say in one pm that he was going to send it out Monday (which i think we both didnt realize was Independence day), but if he sent it out Tuesday via Priority Mail, it shouldve been here by now. Ive sent more than one PM, hopefully i get it today or tomorrow.
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I honestly doubted illy when I saw her listings. But I'll def be doing business with you :D
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Look: we all know shit can definitely happen, with this substance particularly, so I go in expecting shit to go bad, and often it has. We're also pretty lucky that we seem to have a pretty good crew of buyers, and we aren't afraid to start threads about the sellers, and they know they can jump in too. We're pretty forgiving...The worst part is no communication: that's when I get worried.
But for a seller...well, u know what it's like: where you have to go to get it, what you have to confront, and also, I don't know about anybody else, but when I do the product myself, well, things sometimes seem to get a little tight: i run out of money, or do more than I plan, or my old lady/friend.neighbor steals my shit, etc., etc.
I've been burnt on other forums, but not here: only bad thing I've seen so far, here, is that dealers back out and cancel, or deal doesn't come thru for *whatever* reason, but they've all made it right, mostly I figure thy just did too much of their own product, and had nothing left for me :'( ... but I"m just guessing ...
But with illy, he's always come thru, and when we were freaking out last week, it was just a delay, so hang in there, and he'll answer or post what's going on...that seems to be the main problem we have with sellers, is when they don't communicate.
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Look: we all know shit can definitely happen, with this substance particularly, so I go in expecting shit to go bad, and often it has. We're also pretty lucky that we seem to have a pretty good crew of buyers, and we aren't afraid to start threads about the sellers, and they know they can jump in too. We're pretty forgiving...The worst part is no communication: that's when I get worried.
But for a seller...well, u know what it's like: where you have to go to get it, what you have to confront, and also, I don't know about anybody else, but when I do the product myself, well, things sometimes seem to get a little tight: i run out of money, or do more than I plan, or my old lady/friend.neighbor steals my shit, etc., etc.
I've been burnt on other forums, but not here: only bad thing I've seen so far, here, is that dealers back out and cancel, or deal doesn't come thru for *whatever* reason, but they've all made it right, mostly I figure thy just did too much of their own product, and had nothing left for me :'( ... but I"m just guessing ...
But with illy, he's always come thru, and when we were freaking out last week, it was just a delay, so hang in there, and he'll answer or post what's going on...that seems to be the main problem we have with sellers, is when they don't communicate.
Couldnt have said it better myself.
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Ive gone another day with no package in the mail and no response. Looking back, i ordered this on July 2nd (Saturday) as well as the last message ive received from them.
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I have received a package from Illy before and it took like at least a week to get. So if you ordered on Saturday and he mailed it Tuesday you probably won't get it until next week. Don't worry though, he is a solid dude, you will get it, it just might take a few days longer then desired. I ordered from him last Saturday too so I expect mine next week as well.
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I have received a package from Illy before and it took like at least a week to get. So if you ordered on Saturday and he mailed it Tuesday you probably won't get it until next week. Don't worry though, he is a solid dude, you will get it, it just might take a few days longer then desired. I ordered from him last Saturday too so I expect mine next week as well.
Im not in a hurry anymore, i paid for Priority Mail upgrade, which should be 3 days max. Ill just wait and see what happens.
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Hey Silk Road,
I wanted to announce that I am going to need to put a temporary stop on all new orders beginning Sunday, July 10, 2011 at midnight and ending thursday, july 14, 2011 at 6am During this brief period of time I will be working to fill all of my current orders, tie loose ends, handle customer service issues (mostly nice ones!) and basically catch up.
Right now we do have some orders that are a couple of days late. I would like to remind these customers to please be patient and remember that I am doing everything I can to get all of our orders out on time. I sent out a large wave of orders last night, and another will leave tonght.
If there is an absolute need to place an order during these four days, I WILL honor it, because you guys have all been very kind to me, and I want to be reliable for you. I have had supplier issies out the wazoo lately, and a couple shipping "mistakes" on my part which end up costing days and days of time. I just need to focus on shipping and delivery right now. I will answer all emails during this period by the way.
I am also in the process of working with pgo, Nomad Bloodbath gave me a great tutorial and I am walking through it slowly, so I hope to have PGP by the time I reopen for normal business.
Finally, I will not be using anything but USPS in the future. It is too difficult to bounce around beteen diffent agencies 2x a day.
Thanks for all the patience guys. I am just ironing the wrinkles out right now and we will have a more streamlined system in the future.
Any questions/comments/concerns/special requests please PM me on SR board.
Thanks guys,
illy
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Hey Silk Road,
I wanted to announce that I am going to need to put a temporary stop on all new orders beginning Sunday, July 10, 2011 at midnight and ending thursday, july 14, 2011 at 6am During this brief period of time I will be working to fill all of my current orders, tie loose ends, handle customer service issues (mostly nice ones!) and basically catch up.
Right now we do have some orders that are a couple of days late. I would like to remind these customers to please be patient and remember that I am doing everything I can to get all of our orders out on time. I sent out a large wave of orders last night, and another will leave tonght.
If there is an absolute need to place an order during these four days, I WILL honor it, because you guys have all been very kind to me, and I want to be reliable for you. I have had supplier issies out the wazoo lately, and a couple shipping "mistakes" on my part which end up costing days and days of time. I just need to focus on shipping and delivery right now. I will answer all emails during this period by the way.
I am also in the process of working with pgo, Nomad Bloodbath gave me a great tutorial and I am walking through it slowly, so I hope to have PGP by the time I reopen for normal business.
Finally, I will not be using anything but USPS in the future. It is too difficult to bounce around beteen diffent agencies 2x a day.
Thanks for all the patience guys. I am just ironing the wrinkles out right now and we will have a more streamlined system in the future.
Any questions/comments/concerns/special requests please PM me on SR board.
Thanks guys,
illy
Thanks illy for the update! Im glad everything is okay, and you are getting everything sorted out. PM sent.
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has anyone else ordered from illy, had it go to "in transit" and then have the stuff not show up?
i am about a week and a half past when it should have been delivered and he has not responded to my last three PM's. this is the first time i have had an order go badly on SR, so don't really know what is up with the "resolve" option. it becomes active in a few hours.
i would like to give him another shot and try the tracking i guess. the non-communication seems weird to me tho.
anyone else having probs?
thanks.
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I had an order cancelled by Illy over the holiday weekend. But then on Tuesday I reordered and now it's showing in transit. I'm guessing the guy just got overwhelmed a little bit and is working on a system to be more efficient. Just remember for every one of us on here posting there is probably five other guys placing an order on SR
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Reading the entire thread helps clear things up guys if you are feeling fuzzy about the details here.
illy is legit, I would bet my "modhood" on it but I won't.:P
You guys need to realize this is the first stamp dealer that is legit on SR and of course he's overwhelmed but He's stated the situation on more than one occasion in this thread.
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I had an order cancelled by Illy over the holiday weekend. But then on Tuesday I reordered and now it's showing in transit. I'm guessing the guy just got overwhelmed a little bit and is working on a system to be more efficient. Just remember for every one of us on here posting there is probably five other guys placing an order on SR
I would agree, I have done quite a few orders and only one or two has posted anything over here.
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Hi Everyone,
Apparently I am missing messages here and there. Trust me, it is not intentional. I write many purposeful, helpful, and friendly emails a day. Sometimes I will skip ahead in my 50+ new messages to get to new customers first, or "cherry pick" the subject headings, etc. I may have skipped over you by doing something like that.
I appreciate all emails and if I do not respond in 12-24 hours emal me back and I will get to you quickly.
To Whoever got 3 bags instead of 5: I will give you two more plus two more as an "i'm sorry" bonus. We want to keep you as a customer. Send Illy a message on SRM and I will make a custom order for you.
Thanks for bringing that to my attention. I am sure I will read about it in one of my 60+ emails I am about to tackle :/
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I've begun lifting escrow on illy and a couple other people. I don't lie about it: I lift it as soon as order is 'in transit' and post in feedback that I've done so ... as others have stated: illy's come thru, this is a very tricky dangerous area, and finding legit sellers...well, look and see for your self. I know of only 2 I trust.
I dont think he realized how swamped he'd get. He gets tons of pms and may miss some, so I the fact he posts here is fine with me. I think we need to give a lttle time and patience...above all we want caution...again, remember who he has to deal with, not like pharmies at all, so a little slack is in order
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Agreed. For Illy to get his gear is not a "friendly procurement" to say the least. It's one of the shadier and more dangerous things some of us like to dabble in. With that said, give him time, let him be your mediator. Trust me, you do NOT want to go and try to score his gear on your own. I have done so personally. It is the most awful shit ever. Even if you have a great connect, the nature of the gear makes you second guess your relationship with the source. Illy is doing ALL of us a huge favor and offering a very reasonable price for such a treat. We need to realize this and give him props for putting in that elbow grease. I have faith in this guy.
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Hi Everyone,
Apparently I am missing messages here and there. Trust me, it is not intentional. I write many purposeful, helpful, and friendly emails a day. Sometimes I will skip ahead in my 50+ new messages to get to new customers first, or "cherry pick" the subject headings, etc. I may have skipped over you by doing something like that.
I appreciate all emails and if I do not respond in 12-24 hours emal me back and I will get to you quickly.
To Whoever got 3 bags instead of 5: I will give you two more plus two more as an "i'm sorry" bonus. We want to keep you as a customer. Send Illy a message on SRM and I will make a custom order for you.
Thanks for bringing that to my attention. I am sure I will read about it in one of my 60+ emails I am about to tackle :/
Illy when do you plan on putting your products back up for sale?
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I looked at this guys product as well and as soon as i saw it was H4 i enquired about it but it says US to US,is that a 100% ?? Has anyone ordered from out of the US?
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Sad to say illy has his hands full dealing with the demand for stamps just inside the states at the moment, idk if he is ready to start crossing borders, but as always it's up to the vendors choice.
Who knows there might be another stamp vendor in the next couple weeks.
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I believe another stamp vendor will appear on SRM very soon. The demand for this gear is very high because of it's risk to acquire, and how protected it is by it's user community.
I personally am not a user but I have very close friends who are. Stamps are widely varying, and of unpredictable purity. Every time you seek a new connect. That's what makes it doubly as difficult
to vend. In it's respective section; this gear is probably the most sought after there is. If you use this type of gear regularly - you want to know if it's good and keep buying.
If you've never tried it - you want to know that you'll get the right effects for your first time. I think this type of thinking; for a vendor, takes time. It is impossible to be prepared as a vendor of this
item. To that end, I know personally how difficult this is - maybe not on illy's level but it's very, very stressful. I have faith that the stamps he has sent out will reach their respective destinations.
Buyers MUST exhibit a bit more patience than normal when purchasing this gear. It is not like the others!
Illy if you are reading this I never placed an order with you (came close lol) - but as a member of our community - I think you deserve praise for being professional and communicative. Buyers will
bolster this with reviews.
Ok - so anyone who has their stamp(s) please let us know how it is!
~btc~
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Sad to say illy has his hands full dealing with the demand for stamps just inside the states at the moment, idk if he is ready to start crossing borders, but as always it's up to the vendors choice.
Who knows there might be another stamp vendor in the next couple weeks.
Well my fingers will be crossed and hoping for another vendor with good H and maybe even some Opium resin who's operating out of the EU and delivering to the UK,i think there's a bit of a niche for someone to fill here.I've even thought of doing it myself but i wouldn't touch the stuff i could get hold of let alone waste anybody else's time with it.
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Yeah, it's hard to get somebody steady and reliable...illy trying to get it together, and there are a couple others, raise their heads periodically...but it's not something to jump into lightly, as if you're reliable, you'll have a good business, and don't want to always be running out, or not be prepared to ship...some of the sellers get regulars, and just put it on there for the buyers they know, in limited quantities...a bit scary, he whole thing...always want xtreme caution, on both sides...and that's hard to maintain...we kind of want illy to take a break and get his pgp up and running :)
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I believe another stamp vendor will appear on SRM very soon. The demand for this gear is very high because of it's risk to acquire, and how protected it is by it's user community.
I personally am not a user but I have very close friends who are. Stamps are widely varying, and of unpredictable purity. Every time you seek a new connect. That's what makes it doubly as difficult
to vend. In it's respective section; this gear is probably the most sought after there is. If you use this type of gear regularly - you want to know if it's good and keep buying.
If you've never tried it - you want to know that you'll get the right effects for your first time. I think this type of thinking; for a vendor, takes time. It is impossible to be prepared as a vendor of this
item. To that end, I know personally how difficult this is - maybe not on illy's level but it's very, very stressful. I have faith that the stamps he has sent out will reach their respective destinations.
Buyers MUST exhibit a bit more patience than normal when purchasing this gear. It is not like the others!
Illy if you are reading this I never placed an order with you (came close lol) - but as a member of our community - I think you deserve praise for being professional and communicative. Buyers will
bolster this with reviews.
Ok - so anyone who has their stamp(s) please let us know how it is!
~btc~
Where im from, this stuff is really hard to get no matter what...and when you do get it, its usually expensive. My brother and i had the privilege to have had a really reliable connect for about a year, and whenever we sold the stuff, it went like crazy. So im pretty good at telling whats good and whats garbage. Monday afternoon i should have a review of the quality/quantity, just to let everyone else know, as i havent came across one yet of Illy's.
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Feedback is always greatly appreciated. =)
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@ wildboy agreed. do tell us how it is please 8)
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I am really confused by Illy. I ordered from him at the beginning of last week. It was supposed to be sent overnight but I got a reply saying it wasnt able to be sent that day and would have to go out the next. He said he would have a tracking # for me the following day. I didnt hear anything from him for almost two days after that. He then wrote saying he had some problems but could send it the following morning between 11 and 12. I waited and still have heard nothing from him since. For some reason he wont reply to any of my messages on SR and he has had my money for a week now.
Any thoughts?
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@TheComeDown, last week was a holiday week, so your order probably got shipped a little later than say, Tuesday or Wednesday. This is also of course location dependent. From what I'm reading about Illy's overwhelming experience here, it seems packages are on their way, and he's struggling to make everything in order for all his peeps. I myself am waiting for far more dangerous gear - and suggest a more-than-normal threshold for patience. We have to consider that this is one of the few places that Vendors and Sellers are scared of each other. Building trust takes time; not to stray from your original topic. I honestly believe Illy is neck deep in emails. A week is not that long, considering he communicated with you. However I do respect your dissatisfaction with the shipping. Overnight is overnight. Perhaps he can refund you the charge...he is a good dude. When did he communicate last if I may ask?
~btc~
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I have been speaking with illy since before the 4th of july weekend. I sent him the money (Western Unioin cuz I didnt have bitcoin yet) on tuesday morning. Through all of this he was very good with returning my emails. Once I sent him the money that changed. I have only received 2 emails from him since I sent the money on tuesday of last week. One was tuesday night saying he couldnt get the package out so he would have to do it the following day (wednesday) and that he would get me the tracking # wed afternoon. I didnt hear from him at all on wednesday despite many emails. Then I finally heard from him on thurs. saying he could send it regular mail friday morning if I didnt mind it not being overnighted... I wrote him back with some questions and he has yet to respond. I havent heard from him since that email in which he asked me questions about how to send it....
Anyway, it is now monday and I have yet to receive the package or hear from him.
I feel like Illy is a good guy still and will do what he says he is going to do but I definitely am also doubting him at the moment. A big part of me wishes I would have just waited till I had bitcoin but as for being someone who was ordering HEROIN I didnt really want to wait lol
So hopefully he comes through still. It seems like he has for everyone else. I dont know why he would single me out and rip me off other than the fact that our transaction wasnt done through the escrow on the site...????
What ya think?
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LOL everyone is just all over illy.
@illy GET your DAMN PGP public KEY on your profile.
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He came thru fine for me, on 1st order. So I've based everything on that. I know our Opy Crew has been pretty tolerant, and pull together, and are understanding if shit goes wrong on seller's end. We know it can be a motherfucker out there, and mostly just want honesty and communication. 2nd order, I finalized immediately, as
I said I was going to start doing that with sellers I trusted. But I'm no rookie, I know how this shit can be, and, u know, illy is one of us so he's got the fuck-it dark star over him we all do, but having said that, it would take more than a temporary 'no show' for me to think poorly. He's always responded to my pm's but then, I don't pm after 1st one, or if shit doesn't show, I pmed once, and he answered, and it did show, late, after 4th of July yank weekend.
I"m sitll in 'give slack' mode when it comes to illy, because--as others have said--I think he just got a bit overwhelmed with it all, but I never sensed 'hustle' or 'rip' in his posts, and still don't. Still: it's *our* money, and we
expect more than just the occasional post for our btc...
I'm in 'wait and see' mode, and if he's around, and pm's are too much, I'd suggest to illy that he just post here, letting
us know what's up, so we can act accordingly. There are now, I believe, a couple of other EC powder sellers, but they are intermittant...and the money we send isn't just chump change, so we need communication. And, at this point, a little good luck, I believe... I'd suggest not sending any more money until all orders now pending are received...I think he posted something to the effect that orders were 'on hold' or something like that...
and YES on PGP key...I want to get ecrypted pm saying 'all's well, shit's in the mail' :)
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Phubai how was the product? Strong rush or long legs or both? Better than tar?
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Phubai how was the product? Strong rush or long legs or both? Better than tar?
Honestly--I hate to say this--but I missed twice--had 3-- (veins shot) and gave it a go in the morning, and it got me well, but no knock me down, I love life, gut feeling I've been wanting for so long. I've got a methadone thing going, too, so I'm a bad one to ask....u know what I mean?
Hopefully next time I'll have better report, be more careful, all that...I didn't want to say anything because this is on my head, not on illy's product, so someone else will have to give a 'quality' review. Bums me out to have to say this. Shoulda...woulda...coulda: done all 3, muscled, wait 'til I was kicking, got help, blah blah blah....
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Warm Compress those veins so they rise to the surface. NO need to miss.
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@TheComedown - You left the part about not paying with bitcoins out :) Honestly I think it won't affect your order, I'm sure he'll come through. But using western union? You shoulda been patient and used btc. That's what this place is all about; for Illy to do a transaction out of escrow and not using btc is rather unusual. He is probably doing you a favor by accepting it, and is a good dude. But again - have no fear. Your stuff will come :) Patience is a virtue on here, like no other place I've found. lol
~btc~
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Im not able to do the review today, as USPS said it *should* be here today, but of course it isnt. So im guessing tomorrow...
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I just dont understand why he doesnt email me back...???
Its not been 5 days since I have heard anything from him. For some reason I still have faith that he will come through though. I hope I am correct. As well as I hope you are correct btcfreedom.
I guess time will only tell. He is still receiving good feedback from buyers. One just posted a short while ago on SR.
Im just hoping he hasnt decided to just take my money since there will be no consequences because it was Western Union rather than btc through SR.
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@TheComeDown - Read his profile my brother. he keeps us updated somehow, is how I've found to be reliable....it's a motherfucker out there as phubai said. The gear involved is straight up nasty!
Sure is tasty though...hence our supply and demand drothers.
@Illy, please get that PGP key up dammit! We wanna protect you!! 8)
~btc~
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1st @ TheComedown: Hang in there, my friend: I don't say this to gloat, or to discount your problems, but he has come thru twice for me, and 2nd time proved excellence. Something has gone wrong, but I"m sure he'll make it right...Please don't do WesternUnion, or anything that necessitates revealing personal info !!! We have to protect this man, and if LE uses WU, illy will get nailed and get serious prison time. Or another disgused buyer will give *u* up. So no matter how tempting, or how infuriating it is not to receive product, please stick to BTC. LE will read this thread, and know that he can get a *sellers* address and name if they use this method. This is the whole reason SR is set up the way it is: to protect sellers from buyers--the point where LE jumps on seller, IN RL.
2nd: product is excellent. Good stuff!
3rd @illy: 1) Do not use WesternUnion. What on earth are you doing? You have to give up identification to buy and to send and to pick up...Bluntly: cops read this forum. It's been in the news. No secrets here. You must protect yourself and stick to btc. 2) I know you can do PGP, and it protects us from hostile takeover by LE. JUst get PGP4win: you can google and find it, and install it, then post your *public* key here for us, so we can encrypt mesgs
Protect yourself. Protect us. Please.
I saw you were taking a couple of days off, to catch up, and all. Good idea!I suggest you cover the people who you haven't received from yet, and install PGP so we'll feel better about the whole thing. You're doing good. This is obviously a good crew here, and we support you, so you want to help us out, cover the person/people who haven't recieved their shit, and get PGP installed.
I don't require escrow, so I lift it as soon as order is processed. However, my feedback will continue to be limited, where about best I can do is say "lifted escrow, trusted seller" but that in itself shows you are one of the 'good ones.'
4th @me, u, all of us: we gotta try to protect this thing. It's easy, sitting in front of a screen, t forget the very real risks being run here. And doing business. Our threads have been great: we've shown to others that you can discuss a seller in a positive way, and support each other when things get whacky, and encourage sellers to act right: that it's in their interest to protect us, and to participate on threads about them. We are pioneers in a dangerous undertaking...best luck to all of us, as we truly do need it.
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I realize the WU thing was a bad idea now. And I know why. At the time I didnt know how to get bitcoin without a bank acct or by mailing cash. I have found a couple that take moneypack's now though that problem isnt a problem anymore.
Hopefully all is well with Illy and hopefully will either hear from him or receive my order soon. I guess we will see what happens.
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Either the post office lost/confiscated the package i was suppose to get, or something happened - im pretty sure of it now. On Sunday illy said he sent it out "a few days ago", according to USPS i should get it on Monday - nothing today on Tuesday but a letter i got from a friend that lives in Maine that is postmarked Saturday. This is really irritating...ive already notified Illy to see what he thinks.
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Either the post office lost/confiscated the package i was suppose to get, or something happened - im pretty sure of it now. On Sunday illy said he sent it out "a few days ago", according to USPS i should get it on Monday - nothing today on Tuesday but a letter i got from a friend that lives in Maine that is postmarked Saturday. This is really irritating...ive already notified Illy to see what he thinks.
Okay, he explained to me a little better in detail - i guess he sent her first wave of letters that day, and my name was in the middle of the list. Im just being impatient i guess.
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Hi Silk Road,
Greetings! I wanted to address a few things here in this public forum, and my thoughts are a little scattered right now so I apologize in advance for any rambling or incoherent sentences :) Also, @phubaiblues, @nomadbloodbath and @btcfreedom, thank you for your support, what you said spoke volumes.
The following is a little lengthy, but should be a good read. Thanks for your attention all.
About two months ago I was on my favorite drug information/harm reduction website when I first learned of Silk Road and all of the wonderful and enticing things it had to offer, based on the glamorous viewpoint of the reporter...and I knew I had to become a part.
Because I work under the table, I do not have a bank account. I know it is lame, especially for someone in her thirties, but the fact is, if I ever need a check cashed or a bill paid, I would always just ask a friend or family member to write/cash a check for me. Wiring money through SRM without a bank account was a little more difficult than I expected.... and I could not use my credit cards, either. I had to find a way to be able to purchase some of the wonderfully obscure items on Silk Road so I decided that my best bet was to sell something that would allow me to build an account balance.
After a little bit of looking I realized that for whatever reason there was a large heroin vacuum here. There was a demand for it, but at the time I think there was one black tar dealer from the West Coast who wasn't responding to PM's or something. But that was it.
Where I live, it is easier to acquire Heroin than a bag of weed, This is not an exaggeration. It has always been that way. The quality varies A LOT but this city is FLOODED with bags. So I put three ads out, one for research chemicals jwh-122 and am-2201, one for stamp bags, and one for xanax. I think I got twenty or so initial responses for the heroin compared to three for the other offers.
So I took the other ads down and left the "rope a dope" special ad up. The rope a dope special allows a potential customer to purchase only one bag, allowing them to test the quality, shipping, and service. While this proved to be a very popular way to introduce my product-- it also kept me extremely busy and required constant replenishing of inventory. In a matter of days I had more orders than I could handle. I figured that if more people got to try my product and got to see that it was quality, it would outweigh the inconvenience of sending lots of letters with just one stamp bag in each one. I figured that as long as people saw that I had a quality product at a reasonable price, everything would work itself out.
In theory this was a good idea. Like Communism :) ... The problem is that I was selling "rope a dopes" faster than I could get them in. My local supplier who I primarily deal with had run out of stock for the first time since I could remember. I got a hold of a second dealer to help replenish my stock but that product was substandard and I refused to vend it. As a result I had about 5 days of dead-space where I was taking orders in but not sending any out.
This has caused a large backlog in my orders and I am just finishing up on them, I think I have 5 orders left to send out.
One of the things I want to get across is that I am no kingpin. I am no escobar, no gankster, no "g." I am not sitting on kilos of this stuff. I'm just regular, everyday illy, trying to find a way to make my own habit cheaper.
I want every order to arrive on time just as much as the customer does! Put it this way fellas--if your order doesn't arrive, I don't get paid! I WANT YOUR ORDERS TO ARRIVE! :)
If you have placed an order with me and have not recieved in 6 business days, please PM me so I can attempt to figure out the problem and attempt a reship. As of now I have a 100 percent shipping success rate and I want to keep it that way. I think I made a couple clerical errors due to my (dwindling) inexperience but thats it. :-\
@NJDevil: I will refund payment or I will send your product, your choice :) Please PM me so I can close this trouble ticket :) The reason I offered to take Western Union was to try to help you because you were unable to wait for Mt. Gox to kick in and while that is understandable, i do acknowledge that I broke SR policy and will not do so in the future.
@wildboy: Please PM me your address and I will ship you a replacement tomorrow. :)
Finally, on PGP. I know I am not the most computer savvy person but I can figure out most of this crap. But NomadBloodbath gave me a really nice PGP walkthrough/download page and don't you know that I couldn't even extract the damned file? I am going to get this PGP shit figured out soon, i think it is costing me business, I mean, I know it is costing me business.
Thanks friends, for sticking by me. I'm not here to fuck anyone over, I promise. I'm here for the DURATION.
illy
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Hi Silk Road,
Greetings! I wanted to address a few things here in this public forum, and my thoughts are a little scattered right now so I apologize in advance for any rambling or incoherent sentences :) Also, @phubaiblues, @nomadbloodbath and @btcfreedom, thank you for your support, what you said spoke volumes.
The following is a little lengthy, but should be a good read. Thanks for your attention all.
About two months ago I was on my favorite drug information/harm reduction website when I first learned of Silk Road and all of the wonderful and enticing things it had to offer, based on the glamorous viewpoint of the reporter...and I knew I had to become a part.
Because I work under the table, I do not have a bank account. I know it is lame, especially for someone in her thirties, but the fact is, if I ever need a check cashed or a bill paid, I would always just ask a friend or family member to write/cash a check for me. Wiring money through SRM without a bank account was a little more difficult than I expected.... and I could not use my credit cards, either. I had to find a way to be able to purchase some of the wonderfully obscure items on Silk Road so I decided that my best bet was to sell something that would allow me to build an account balance.
After a little bit of looking I realized that for whatever reason there was a large heroin vacuum here. There was a demand for it, but at the time I think there was one black tar dealer from the West Coast who wasn't responding to PM's or something. But that was it.
Where I live, it is easier to acquire Heroin than a bag of weed, This is not an exaggeration. It has always been that way. The quality varies A LOT but this city is FLOODED with bags. So I put three ads out, one for research chemicals jwh-122 and am-2201, one for stamp bags, and one for xanax. I think I got twenty or so initial responses for the heroin compared to three for the other offers.
So I took the other ads down and left the "rope a dope" special ad up. The rope a dope special allows a potential customer to purchase only one bag, allowing them to test the quality, shipping, and service. While this proved to be a very popular way to introduce my product-- it also kept me extremely busy and required constant replenishing of inventory. In a matter of days I had more orders than I could handle. I figured that if more people got to try my product and got to see that it was quality, it would outweigh the inconvenience of sending lots of letters with just one stamp bag in each one. I figured that as long as people saw that I had a quality product at a reasonable price, everything would work itself out.
In theory this was a good idea. Like Communism :) ... The problem is that I was selling "rope a dopes" faster than I could get them in. My local supplier who I primarily deal with had run out of stock for the first time since I could remember. I got a hold of a second dealer to help replenish my stock but that product was substandard and I refused to vend it. As a result I had about 5 days of dead-space where I was taking orders in but not sending any out.
This has caused a large backlog in my orders and I am just finishing up on them, I think I have 5 orders left to send out.
One of the things I want to get across is that I am no kingpin. I am no escobar, no gankster, no "g." I am not sitting on kilos of this stuff. I'm just regular, everyday illy, trying to find a way to make my own habit cheaper.
I want every order to arrive on time just as much as the customer does! Put it this way fellas--if your order doesn't arrive, I don't get paid! I WANT YOUR ORDERS TO ARRIVE! :)
If you have placed an order with me and have not recieved in 6 business days, please PM me so I can attempt to figure out the problem and attempt a reship. As of now I have a 100 percent shipping success rate and I want to keep it that way. I think I made a couple clerical errors due to my (dwindling) inexperience but thats it. :-\
@NJDevil: I will refund payment or I will send your product, your choice :) Please PM me so I can close this trouble ticket :) The reason I offered to take Western Union was to try to help you because you were unable to wait for Mt. Gox to kick in and while that is understandable, i do acknowledge that I broke SR policy and will not do so in the future.
@wildboy: Please PM me your address and I will ship you a replacement tomorrow. :)
Finally, on PGP. I know I am not the most computer savvy person but I can figure out most of this crap. But NomadBloodbath gave me a really nice PGP walkthrough/download page and don't you know that I couldn't even extract the damned file? I am going to get this PGP shit figured out soon, i think it is costing me business, I mean, I know it is costing me business.
Thanks friends, for sticking by me. I'm not here to fuck anyone over, I promise. I'm here for the DURATION.
illy
Thanks illy - ive already sent over the address, and i never thought that you were here to fuck anyone over, like you said, you dont get paid unless we receive. Im glad your here for awhile, and if you need any help with anything, let me know.
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Whats Happening,
Thanks Wildboy, I appreciate the offer for help, I might take you up on that with PGP....I gotta get a couple hours sleep. Maybe you guys can sell me some for a couple BTC.
It's 7:30 East Coast, Gonna get up at noon and priority today for real this time is PGP.
@Phubaiblues : whats up bro. Just wanted to clarify, I know WU is generally not the greatest but I can recieve funds without an ID at my local WU shop, I don't want you guys thinking I am reckless and wanton and stupid because that is not the case, believe it or not a one time WU pickup can be somewhat anonymous besides their security cameras. And I don't plan on working out of escrow or anything, it was just something I did because a customer was sick and I didn't have any money to replenish my own supply. Ob yeah, and keep your inbox peeled for PGP tutoring this afternoon :(
I wanted to ask a question that I neglected to bring up in my previous post. The question is,
"Do You Think You Have Been Targeted By LE on Silk Road Market at any time in the past few weeks?"
I think I have. There were two or three instances that were just odd. One guy keeps trying to come up with ways for me to give up my address. First he wanted to send payment, but not escrow, cash. And he kept insisting on it, saying that e-currency was unstable and a pain in the ass. I tried to ignore him but he kept persisting over and over again, finally he said he wanted to send me some Xanax (200 mg!) to "see if they were legit." For free. I never wrote back.
Then I had this girl write me a PM, it was like she was going out of her way to "Act" like she was younger than she was. She went into a paragraph long diatribe about pain relief and her rights as a patient and why her PCP was unfair for only giving her vicodin 10/500 for her excruciating pain in her (insert body part here.) She wanted to graduate from vicodin directly to stamp bags, for some kind of body ache, it was really laughable. I gave her a nice lecture about why short acting opiods are pretty much ineffective for pain management, because of excessive redosing, and vicodin is horrible for long term use because of the APAP just in case the poor girl was telling the truth.....and that Ultram was a great painkiller.
(ever notice that ten of them will take a sick off?)
Okay men. May all of your orders arrive today/tomorrow. I'll be in touch.
Any questions or comments, please do not hesitate to send me an email.
Illy
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Illy, I am assuming when you said @NJdevil you were talking to me...???? I dont think NJdevil has posted in here. Let alone about WU and not receiving....
Anyway, I sent you a message on SR and am hoping to hear from you soon!
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Illy,
Could you send me the PGP Tutorial and link that Nomad sent you? I know you have me in your inbox. If not...Nomad..would you mind forwarding the message to me? Same name on SR.
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@Illy please be careful. You did the right thing by dealing with that person in such a manner. Do not ever give up your whereabouts. LE is floating around. Watchout for a dude named ApexZ. His feedback is a clear indicator of phishing and / or LE presence. If we are smart - we will keep these fucks out. GUARD UP. At all times peeps. NEVER let anyone try obtain information. Keep the market safe.
Snitches are bitches and snitches get stiches. Fuck LE, Long Live SR.
~btc~
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illy we will work together this week and get your PGP going I promise.
PM me about details when you have a little time to work on it and we'll get it done, I'm almost always online :D
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I was going to order from illy, but the listing has been removed? :'(
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Order of 1 bag was marked in transit on July 8th, it's now the 16th and still hasn't shown. I live on the East Coast so there's no reason why it shouldn't have shown up it 2 or 3 days max.... Bleh, contacting Illy on SR now.
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Order of 1 bag was marked in transit on July 8th, it's now the 16th and still hasn't shown. I live on the East Coast so there's no reason why it shouldn't have shown up it 2 or 3 days max.... Bleh, contacting Illy on SR now.
Yeah, its almost been 2 weeks since ive ordered, and at least a week since she marked it as shipped and i still havent received anything. I live in the southeast and illy said she sent out another shipment for me in case the first never shows. Im still waiting i guess.
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I was going to order from illy, but the listing has been removed? :'(
I tried again and placed an order on Wednesday and haven't heard anything as of yet. I understand how busy she must be and I really hope it will be sent out this time as my last order was canceled. But after reading the last 2 posts I think I want to cancel this time.
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man this sucks. when I first joined I was still waiting to get some coin; now i finally got it and I find out that BarrySneaky is a scammer and Illy is out of commission. man this sucks. I was really surprised when I first got on, there really aren't very many good opiates for sale here on SR-- the reason I joined in the first place :(
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ya!?
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I would love some good news.
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Everyone please have a little patience in this case.
I've reached out to illy to help her with any and all issues on her vending, i believe she just is overwhelmed at the size of the marketplace here and just needs some guidance on how to deal with the demand.
I as everyone wants illy to succeed and be compensated for a very heavy vending load, stress factors.
Also there is a chance that some other vendors are gonna step up to further help out on the demand here.
If you are buying heroin on SR you are of a delicate user and not a daily addict, so let's treat is like a delicate delight that if we can get ahold of a taste to saviour it.
I'm always around if anyone needs to contact me dont hesitate to PM me.
Patience is a virtual.
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Illy: If you have to shut down a bit--as u said--then do it. Also, I've had nothing suspicious, but everything you describe *is* suspicious, so you are correct in *not* dealing with those people who wanted info. Nobody reputable needs to know anything about you, now who you are, what you are, or where you live...and LE will always dress themselves up as some appealing character. It's online, we can be anybody we want to be. Just be careful. It's human nature to want to be friendly, to share info about each other...and it's sad but necessary that on here we just can't afford it. Illy: btw: you have a good enough rep now, you don't need to sell 'rope-a-dope' or any kind of sample.
I'm sorry those who haven't received product. I've always received orders on SR, and the few times I didn't, they were explained satisfactory to me. But it's always good to remember that shit can go wrong on here. You can get ripped. I lift escrow, so I can get ripped. Nature of the beast. But SR has nothing to do with that...they just provide a reasonably safe forum.
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man this sucks. I was really surprised when I first got on, there really aren't very many good opiates for sale here on SR-- the reason I joined in the first place :(
There are a couple sellers of roxy 30s, if u dont mind pills. mellowyellow and goodfella1 are legit. never dealt with chronicpain yet myself, but he has a HUGE presence on the forums so im sure hes totally straight. none of these three have any opiate postings a.t.m. but keep checking cuz theres a good chance theyre just currently out-of-stock. hang in there! ~smod
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I agree^^^for reliability, the pharmy sellers are great...they just don't got dilaudids...yet ;) But if you are sick of the drama of skag alley, I'd definitely go with any of the good pharmaceutical sellers...they deserve the good reps they got...and chronicpain is also reliable and good...
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man this sucks. I was really surprised when I first got on, there really aren't very many good opiates for sale here on SR-- the reason I joined in the first place :(
There are a couple sellers of roxy 30s, if u dont mind pills. mellowyellow and goodfella1 are legit. never dealt with chronicpain yet myself, but he has a HUGE presence on the forums so im sure hes totally straight. none of these three have any opiate postings a.t.m. but keep checking cuz theres a good chance theyre just currently out-of-stock. hang in there! ~smod
Thanks for the info, good to know who is legit around here :). However all I've been doing is pharms lately-- they're very easy to get and anyways I can't find decent h around my way. I'm kinda sick of oxy now, and I'd def take some opana ir or dilly over oxy. I dunno if any of you opi heads can relate, but I swear that these pills run right through me, they have no legs at all. On the other hand, with a good shot of h I know I'd be noddin for at least 4 hrs.
Anyways seems like its the same story here on SR as it is in the real world: no hassle getting pharms but h is a pain in the ass. I'm gonna hang in there, though, as suggested ::)
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I've had good com and feel good about it, other than the pgp of course. I hope she(?) goes to shepj's tutorial as I don't think it could get easier than that.
http://p3lr4cdm3pv4plyj.onion/guides/shepj.html goes straight to the one with screen shots and circles and arrows. John Madden couldn't make it clearer.
Just find gpg4win.exe http://www.gpg4win.org/ and install. GPA (one of the many things gpg4win can install) works the most intuitive for me once I got to main idea of how keys mix to encrypt.
Still waiting but I believe her eta should hold up.
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illy and aromatics are the most reliable, no-bs vendors i have dealt with on sr. they deserve a round of applause.
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Thanks for the info, good to know who is legit around here :). However all I've been doing is pharms lately-- they're very easy to get and anyways I can't find decent h around my way. I'm kinda sick of oxy now, and I'd def take some opana ir or dilly over oxy. I dunno if any of you opi heads can relate, but I swear that these pills run right through me, they have no legs at all. On the other hand, with a good shot of h I know I'd be noddin for at least 4 hrs.
Anyways seems like its the same story here on SR as it is in the real world: no hassle getting pharms but h is a pain in the ass. I'm gonna hang in there, though, as suggested ::)
Yep, me too...pharmies are are pretty much a waste of money...unfortunately I have access to methadone...and even low doses seem to block most everything...and quitting is not so easy...fucking curse...but anyway, there are a couple of guys maybe going to be providing dilaudids again, so if one of them comes thru, 'd's' still work... Heroin is just fucking heroin, and since most of the guys who provide it, seem to also use it...well, u know how that goes...I"m no different...it's just a hard life at times, and tho they mean well, shit just happens...I'm pretty tolerant, since I know this, but that's where the online world isn't much different than RL...
Mostly, just want them to be really careful...seems there is a buyer (or two) who start asking questions of sellers, trying to get info...all friendly and shit, but that is to be expected. I warn sellers not to go for it, but being a seller can be a really lonely job on here, and it gets real easy to start talking when some friendly soul says something like:
"I"m from east jersey, you sound like you're from Jersey too (I saw where the package was posted from ;) ). I'm a nineteen year old girl, and kind of new to this...I don't even know how to use BTC, I don't suppose I could send you the money some other way, is there? I'm embarassed, but I actually work as a porn star in NYC, and maybe I could meet up with you one of these days, and we could just do a F2F transaction...(Don't tell my boyfriend LOL!) Sorry I don't know how to use PGP, I"m such a klutz...or like my film director says: "You're all boobs and pretty face, but no brains ha ha!!!) So maybe we could get together some time??!!"
Right. And then 'she' turns out to be a really ugly, 40 year old cop. Don't Give Out Info!
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Mostly, just want them to be really careful...seems there is a buyer (or two) who start asking questions of sellers, trying to get info...all friendly and shit, but that is to be expected. I warn sellers not to go for it, but being a seller can be a really lonely job on here, and it gets real easy to start talking when some friendly soul says something like:
"I"m from east jersey, you sound like you're from Jersey too (I saw where the package was posted from ;) ). I'm a nineteen year old girl, and kind of new to this...I don't even know how to use BTC, I don't suppose I could send you the money some other way, is there? I'm embarassed, but I actually work as a porn star in NYC, and maybe I could meet up with you one of these days, and we could just do a F2F transaction...(Don't tell my boyfriend LOL!) Sorry I don't know how to use PGP, I"m such a klutz...or like my film director says: "You're all boobs and pretty face, but no brains ha ha!!!) So maybe we could get together some time??!!"
Right. And then 'she' turns out to be a really ugly, 40 year old cop. Don't Give Out Info!
lulz phubaiblues but true. :D
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I still havent gotten anything from Illy - marked shipped on July 8th and purchased on July 2nd. Sent to the resolution center today.
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I still havent gotten anything from Illy - marked shipped on July 8th and purchased on July 2nd. Sent to the resolution center today.
I don't blame you wildboy: you've tried pretty hard to give slack here. I know Illy's always done me right, but reality must be faced. It's the curse of H that it just seems incredibly hard to get a consistent source, and because of this, we bend over backwards trying to give slack when there are problems. But giving slack isn't the same as giving up your money, so you did what you had to do.
I appreciate you posting on this for the rest of us. Those of us who seriously want hard opiates are pretty good about keeping threads going on the different sellers, good or bad, and it helps not just us, but the seller too. Illy has been inconsistent. I know I've thought all along, that it's just she got overwhelmed. But I also thought the slack time was so she could get all caught up with the buyers who had yet to receive anything.
Hopefully this will get resolved for you, and Illy will tighten up her act.
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"I"m from east jersey, you sound like you're from Jersey too (I saw where the package was posted from ;) ). I'm a nineteen year old girl, and kind of new to this...I don't even know how to use BTC, I don't suppose I could send you the money some other way, is there? I'm embarassed, but I actually work as a porn star in NYC, and maybe I could meet up with you one of these days, and we could just do a F2F transaction...(Don't tell my boyfriend LOL!) Sorry I don't know how to use PGP, I"m such a klutz...or like my film director says: "You're all boobs and pretty face, but no brains ha ha!!!) So maybe we could get together some time??!!"
Right. And then 'she' turns out to be a really ugly, 40 year old cop. Don't Give Out Info!
Hahaha! Almost as bad is she shows up and she's a 40 yr old ex-porn star with all the mileage that entails. *shiver*
Phubaiblues's comment is so true it should be on a Wiki...
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"I"m from east jersey, you sound like you're from Jersey too (I saw where the package was posted from ;) ). I'm a nineteen year old girl, and kind of new to this...I don't even know how to use BTC, I don't suppose I could send you the money some other way, is there? I'm embarassed, but I actually work as a porn star in NYC, and maybe I could meet up with you one of these days, and we could just do a F2F transaction...(Don't tell my boyfriend LOL!) Sorry I don't know how to use PGP, I"m such a klutz...or like my film director says: "You're all boobs and pretty face, but no brains ha ha!!!) So maybe we could get together some time??!!"
Right. And then 'she' turns out to be a really ugly, 40 year old cop. Don't Give Out Info!
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/Themes/default/images/collapse.gif
Hahaha! Almost as bad is she shows up and she's a 40 yr old ex-porn star with all the mileage that entails. *shiver*
Phubaiblues's comment is so true it should be on a Wiki...
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"I"m from east jersey, you sound like you're from Jersey too (I saw where the package was posted from ;) ). I'm a nineteen year old girl, and kind of new to this...I don't even know how to use BTC, I don't suppose I could send you the money some other way, is there? I'm embarassed, but I actually work as a porn star in NYC, and maybe I could meet up with you one of these days, and we could just do a F2F transaction...(Don't tell my boyfriend LOL!) Sorry I don't know how to use PGP, I"m such a klutz...or like my film director says: "You're all boobs and pretty face, but no brains ha ha!!!) So maybe we could get together some time??!!"
Right. And then 'she' turns out to be a really ugly, 40 year old cop. Don't Give Out Info!
Hahaha! Almost as bad is she shows up and she's a 40 yr old ex-porn star with all the mileage that entails. *shiver*
Phubaiblues's comment is so true it should be on a Wiki...
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hello SR!
it looks like im not the only person that hasnt received anything yet! I ordered july 6 and it was shipped on july 9...ive talked to illy a few times and just placed another order bigger than the first...hopefully something comes...anyone wait longer than 10 business days?
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I see on main site that somebody just posted good feedback for illy...I do hope this is a good sign for those of you still waiting...and if u do receive, please come on here and let us know so her rep doesn't suffer. Since sellers often ship on same day, this could be good news for those of u still waiting...I've had no problems with her, and believe it's just inexperience and learning the ropes...and hopefully she's studying up on PGP ;)
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I originally ordered 10 stamps from Illy June 30th. 5 showed up 12 days later. They said they'd make good on the remaining 5 but asked if I would please finalize the original order so they could use the funds to re-up. Once I did that they vanished. No responses to any of the messages I've sent over the last week and another order I made for 10 more still says "processing". Of course the other 5 never materialized either. I'm hoping it's only computer troubles.
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I originally ordered 10 stamps from Illy June 30th. 5 showed up 12 days later. They said they'd make good on the remaining 5 but asked if I would please finalize the original order so they could use the funds to re-up. Once I did that they vanished. No responses to any of the messages I've sent over the last week and another order I made for 10 more still says "processing". Of course the other 5 never materialized either. I'm hoping it's only computer troubles.
Yeah, that's not sounding good. I see this is your first post: did you not know about this thread? Just curious, me and a friend on here were just talking about how we need a way to tell people on SR to come over to forums to find out about the sketchy sellers.
Trouble is, illy has really come thru for me and others, and answered pms, and seemed mostly just overwhelmed by it all, but honest and determined to clear it all up. So it would surprise me if this starts becoming the case. I wonder who it was that posted the feedback today...oh well, one thing I find, is that the opiate buyers on here are a really good group: we just about always post a thread on sellers, and sellers often find us and join in too...but I'm sorry to hear about your experience with illy. A lot of us were really hopeful for her. There's only one other heroin seller I trust, and he doesn't post that much....
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hi everyone! the feedback for illy was accidentally posted by me and it was for USPS priority shipping w/tracking for illys stamp bags...using a mobile device and somehow clicked submit since the feedbaack screen was open for like 2 weeks....anyways...i canceled my last order and the one thats missing will go to resolution center in 2 days..im glad i didnt finalize before hand like some did...for sone strange reason i know its not coming but i still want to believe it is....
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hi everyone! the feedback for illy was accidentally posted by me and it was for USPS priority shipping w/tracking for illys stamp bags...using a mobile device and somehow clicked submit since the feedbaack screen was open for like 2 weeks....anyways...i canceled my last order and the one thats missing will go to resolution center in 2 days..im glad i didnt finalize before hand like some did...for sone strange reason i know its not coming but i still want to believe it is....
No legitimate feedback in 5 days and nothing is showing up? This isnt looking good.
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i have seen this time and time again. The vendor gets some legitimacy and then go in for the kil ( I have been the victim of this before as well)l I hope that this isn't the case, but it sure looking like it is. About 10 years ago, there was this vendor in Canada that could get any pharms and the pricing was very good. He/they came through for about 4 or 5 months. Then people started doing big order, im talking between 10k and 250k or more. They gave excuses for weeks while still receiving orders. then boom, they were gone.
Never get comfortable with a vendor. Especially one thats hooked on their own product. There is a small chance that she will come through for you guys, but its looking very grim...
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It's not looking good. :( I've not placed an order with illy but I have followed this thread since the beginning. I have inevitably lost faith in her because of what I'm seeing. i cannot close the case on my opinions yet...
Don't get comfy with anything. That means words on your screen, whoever it may be. You never really know your seller - and you never will. All of us need to rely on the ancient value of TRUST and mitigate it with our
LUST. Feel me?
~B
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This is definitely an instructive thread, and should be required reading for any newbie. I agree with btcfreedom, but I also know that human nature being what it is, it's hard to follow that. We tend to want to make friends, to trust people. What's so interesting is the illy has treated me right, answered pm's quickly, and delivered both times...and so I, naturally, have a totally different view of her. And I just have trouble believing this was all a setup to make a few bucks...seems like too much trouble to me. And why isn't she still posting product, and telling people to bypass proxy, since she has enough rep to get away with it? Ripping a lot more people? I think it's probably something more like this:
illy knew where to score, and figured out a way to support her habit by providing product. Got quickly overwhelmed--we've seen this before, and orders were either misplaced or shipped wrong and problems piled up. A long time ago, I was in a rather dark place, all strung out, and could get these baloons of H, 10 for the price of 7. Like any junky, it made perfect sense: I'd sell 7 daily, and the 3 would support my habit. Works for about a week o so: I meant well, everybody knew me, trusted me, etc., etc.
But eventually day came--as it always does--where I had to decide between being sick, and being dishonest, and I did what most hypes do, which is that I got well, then tried to double up and pinch bags to catch up...etc., etc. All ended badly, of course, and can't say more without giving out info to LE, but it's just a typical story.
IF, as others surmise, she is also addict, then you multiply the problems by about 10, and know the ending is inevitable. Still, she did too many things that do not add up to 'hustle'. I think she could still do like envious did: make everything right, and come out with better reputation than ever. Or she could take junky route and say "Fuck this noise," and bail.
I'd probably still buy from her, but it would depend on how she deals with this, of course. More than anything else, teaches me the value of forums, and think newbies should be directed to come here first, before buying.
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This is definitely an instructive thread, and should be required reading for any newbie. I agree with btcfreedom, but I also know that human nature being what it is, it's hard to follow that. We tend to want to make friends, to trust people. What's so interesting is the illy has treated me right, answered pm's quickly, and delivered both times...and so I, naturally, have a totally different view of her. And I just have trouble believing this was all a setup to make a few bucks...seems like too much trouble to me. And why isn't she still posting product, and telling people to bypass proxy, since she has enough rep to get away with it? Ripping a lot more people? I think it's probably something more like this:
illy knew where to score, and figured out a way to support her habit by providing product. Got quickly overwhelmed--we've seen this before, and orders were either misplaced or shipped wrong and problems piled up. A long time ago, I was in a rather dark place, all strung out, and could get these baloons of H, 10 for the price of 7. Like any junky, it made perfect sense: I'd sell 7 daily, and the 3 would support my habit. Works for about a week o so: I meant well, everybody knew me, trusted me, etc., etc.
But eventually day came--as it always does--where I had to decide between being sick, and being dishonest, and I did what most hypes do, which is that I got well, then tried to double up and pinch bags to catch up...etc., etc. All ended badly, of course, and can't say more without giving out info to LE, but it's just a typical story.
IF, as others surmise, she is also addict, then you multiply the problems by about 10, and know the ending is inevitable. Still, she did too many things that do not add up to 'hustle'. I think she could still do like envious did: make everything right, and come out with better reputation than ever. Or she could take junky route and say "Fuck this noise," and bail.
I'd probably still buy from her, but it would depend on how she deals with this, of course. More than anything else, teaches me the value of forums, and think newbies should be directed to come here first, before buying.
+1 - on another note, i may be getting some bags today from another source, itll be $30 per 0.2 - i might post some up.
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For some reason I feel like maybe something happened to Illy. They wrote back to me frequently and lengthily (we're talking one page for every sentence I wrote) and then just vanished overnight. Maybe that's just wishful thinking, but it seems out of character for them. They also said that h is not their drug of choice. Who knows. All I know is the lovely fentanyl powder I just got from aromatics is enough to make me forget my Illy problems.
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Ordered 13 days ago. In transit for 10 days. Messaged Illy twice, no reply.
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Has she at least looked at the pm? you can tell that they have read it if it isn't bold anymore..
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First message read, no reply. Second message unread since one day.
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I got a message 7 days ago saying it was in transit and to expect Sat or Mon at latest. It's Tuesday.
I always read my own sents so I have no idea if the message I left yesterday was read.
What I'm most concerned now about is does this thing auto finalize at some point? When does "resolve" become active or what is the process when a buyer has btc tied up in escrow, no product, and no com (claiming sending or otherwise) going on?
for some strange reason i know its not coming but i still want to believe it is....
Yeah, that.
I'll chalk up my BarrySneaky experience to ......well, experience.
I wish a seller would put up "BarrySneaky feedback" up for a bitcent (or even more)! I pm'd SR about the idea and they didn't reply.
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Never mind, I wasn't hovering over "resolve" long enough to see it becomes available in 4 days.
I'd rather have my order.
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For some reason I feel like maybe something happened to Illy. They wrote back to me frequently and lengthily (we're talking one page for every sentence I wrote) and then just vanished overnight. Maybe that's just wishful thinking, but it seems out of character for them. They also said that h is not their drug of choice. Who knows. All I know is the lovely fentanyl powder I just got from aromatics is enough to make me forget my Illy problems.
I hate to dramatize this thread anymore, or just out rite spread rumors. I, like most of you, have gotten to know Illy fairly well over the last month via PM's. I also would like to think that she is a trusted, reputable vendor, who just got in over her head. With all that being said. I know of a slightly personal detail that could have inhibited her ability to make any more sells. Again, normally I would never ever put this info on display, but I fear that people who ordered from her may be at risk...so it is a necessary evil. I hope I am not ostracized for releasing this info, and Illy (if you are out there) please understand my motives: the thought that our community could possibly be at risk. Illy told me, during our PM convo's, that she was on house arrest. This is why her orders were put in transit on only Monday, Wed, and Friday. Apparently she had 2 hours available (out of the house) on these days to send orders out.
***LET ME REITERATE: I WOULD NORMALLY NEVER EXPOSE ANY PERSONAL INFO ABOUT A VENDOR...EVEN INFO THIS TRIVIAL. I FEEL THAT THIS INFO IS IMPORTANT, BECAUSE IF LE GOT WISE TO ILLY, THEN ALOT OF PEOPLE COULD BE AT RISK.***
Of course, if Illy comes back and explains here disappearance. I will immediately delete this post.
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Now *that* ^^^ is fucking interesting!....I wondered what those guys with suits and Ray-bans were doing hanging out by my neighbor's mailbox ;)
We'll just have to wait and see. Point of fact is that shipping heroin thru the mail is not a likely pursuit for LE, and not to get too paranoid: more probable is that she failed a piss test and got rolled up...I never saw her as anything other than a new seller who got in over her head, and that's still what I see as most likely. House arrest does make the computer world a whole lot more fun tho...poor thing...have to wait and see...and be vigilant if u get weird pms all of a sudden, from her...
EDIT: btw, kryptonite, I C your dilemma, and I realize it put you in a bad place: if u didn't say anything, and shit came down, you'd feel guilty nd we'd be angry...if nothing happens, u feel bad u said something...I'm glad u did: in this situation, was right thing to do...by not answering anybody's pm's, and by not shipping product, she's brought this on herself, and it's on her, not on you...we'll just keep an eye on things for a while, and anybody who gets pm's that don't seem right, should let us know....including me, as I"d had a couple from her, and was pretty big supporter until all this came down...but anway, we'll see
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someone on house arrest really shouldn't use a computer. to sell H. I'll wait for her to resurface and I'll delete this too...
*facepalm*
~btc
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Now *that* ^^^ is fucking interesting!....I wondered what those guys with suits and Ray-bans were doing hanging out by my neighbor's mailbox ;)
We'll just have to wait and see. Point of fact is that shipping heroin thru the mail is not a likely pursuit for LE, and not to get too paranoid: more probable is that she failed a piss test and got rolled up...I never saw her as anything other than a new seller who got in over her head, and that's still what I see as most likely. House arrest does make the computer world a whole lot more fun tho...poor thing...have to wait and see...and be vigilant if u get weird pms all of a sudden, from her...
EDIT: btw, kryptonite, I C your dilemma, and I realize it put you in a bad place: if u didn't say anything, and shit came down, you'd feel guilty nd we'd be angry...if nothing happens, u feel bad u said something...I'm glad u did: in this situation, was right thing to do...by not answering anybody's pm's, and by not shipping product, she's brought this on herself, and it's on her, not on you...we'll just keep an eye on things for a while, and anybody who gets pm's that don't seem right, should let us know....including me, as I"d had a couple from her, and was pretty big supporter until all this came down...but anway, we'll see
Thank you for understanding, and supporting me in coming forward with this. It was a tough decision to make...and I was afraid I would get hammered for posting it. The bottom line is, I would rather protect a large group of buyers and this community from LE, versus protecting one seller from the communities backlash. Again, Illy if you are out there, I hope you understand why I had to post what I did. Hopefully this is just a minor hiccup...and we will hear from you soon. The opiate community here has been great about outting scamming vendors, and helping each other out. I really hope this trend continues!
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Now *that* ^^^ is fucking interesting!....I wondered what those guys with suits and Ray-bans were doing hanging out by my neighbor's mailbox ;)
We'll just have to wait and see. Point of fact is that shipping heroin thru the mail is not a likely pursuit for LE, and not to get too paranoid: more probable is that she failed a piss test and got rolled up...I never saw her as anything other than a new seller who got in over her head, and that's still what I see as most likely. House arrest does make the computer world a whole lot more fun tho...poor thing...have to wait and see...and be vigilant if u get weird pms all of a sudden, from her...
EDIT: btw, kryptonite, I C your dilemma, and I realize it put you in a bad place: if u didn't say anything, and shit came down, you'd feel guilty nd we'd be angry...if nothing happens, u feel bad u said something...I'm glad u did: in this situation, was right thing to do...by not answering anybody's pm's, and by not shipping product, she's brought this on herself, and it's on her, not on you...we'll just keep an eye on things for a while, and anybody who gets pm's that don't seem right, should let us know....including me, as I"d had a couple from her, and was pretty big supporter until all this came down...but anway, we'll see
Thank you for understanding, and supporting me in coming forward with this. It was a tough decision to make...and I was afraid I would get hammered for posting it. The bottom line is, I would rather protect a large group of buyers and this community from LE, versus protecting one seller from the communities backlash. Again, Illy if you are out there, I hope you understand why I had to post what I did. Hopefully this is just a minor hiccup...and we will hear from you soon. The opiate community here has been great about outting scamming vendors, and helping each other out. I really hope this trend continues!
I agree, i believe your posting was justified due to the situation. Being in her situation just complicates things by tenfold. Stepdad was on house arrest and the cops would come to our house if he walked to the pool in our apartment complex (P.O. was understanding though) - but she could have a dickhead P.O. and violate her for something as simple as that.
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Yes, as buyers we have to try to protect each other. We have addresses out there, and if shit starts getting raggedy, knowing about it might save us. People keep saying "LE won't go after buyers for these small amounts," and that's not necessarily true. They might just want to get a whole pile of people and make an example, but either way, the more information we have, the better we can protect ourselves. This probably will amount to nothing, except several people will loose some btc if she doesn't get her act together. But we want to always be slightly wary of worse events, and this way we know to be a little more careful than we were before. Hopefully illy will come back, make everything right, and we can just blow all this off. But when sellers quit pm-ing us, and product doesn't appear, it's pretty hard not to presume something bad has happened. We'll just kind of keep our eyes open for next few days.
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Just a question. How do we know Illy is a she? I had a few Pm's back n forth like the rest of you but I don't think there was anything in there for me to believe it was a girl. How do you guys know? Not that it matters, just curious.
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Just a question. How do we know Illy is a she? I had a few Pm's back n forth like the rest of you but I don't think there was anything in there for me to believe it was a girl. How do you guys know? Not that it matters, just curious.
I don't remember, but it was something in one of the pm's . I know anybody can be anybody, but I never picked up anything that resembled hustle...mostly just kind of overwhelmed with this, with life, and she said something or another, and I knew she was a girl...but I forget what...
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Just a question. How do we know Illy is a she? I had a few Pm's back n forth like the rest of you but I don't think there was anything in there for me to believe it was a girl. How do you guys know? Not that it matters, just curious.
Read, ill refers to "herself":
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=517.msg6919#msg6919
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Just a question. How do we know Illy is a she? I had a few Pm's back n forth like the rest of you but I don't think there was anything in there for me to believe it was a girl. How do you guys know? Not that it matters, just curious.
Read, ill refers to "herself":
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=517.msg6919#msg6919
Ah, they were go. Thanks!
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This thread is starting to make me a little sick.
If you were a girl or guy, whatever - and you were on house arrest, had 2 HOURS PER DAY to do shit....
Would you go cop H and run around to the post office? In two hours? Think maybe, possibly LE would be watching?
I certainly would never even fucking think about doing something like that, but then again I'm not an H addict. (take note)
I'm sorry people but I've got to cease putting energy into this... I think she scams.
:(
~B
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Either way it doesnt look good. Only two natural conclusions you can draw are: a) she was busted and went to jail (dont have to remind people how bad this situation is) b)she is a scamer. Like I said..neither ends well for us or the community as a whole.
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I don't understand what was the point of publishing personal information about Illy, gender, incarceration status etc. How are we to use this information to protect ourselves? Now LE knows there is a woman under house arrest on the east coast selling stamps through SR. God forbid a journalist reads this thread and tries to make a story out of it. That would be real trouble. This is a public forum, anyone can easily claim to be anyone else, anyone can be LE or not who they claim to be. Same with SR. Think about it.
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anyone have a problem with this thread being deleted then?
Nomad?
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Posted by: btcfreedom
« on: Today at 12:50:27 am »
* Insert Quote
Hold on a minute. u mad ? who are you?
Have you read this whole post? When people get ripped off, they want answers. This information is not to protect anyone - it's to give us answers...
This is a public forum, and its built on trust. If you're LE we'll sniff you out faster than them beagles at the airport.
Ergo, nothing to worry about unless you placed an order yourself.
I understand your point but there's a whole lot of other shit LE is after. For you to put them all in on sentence re: Illy didn't help.
They now have a great place to focus. Your post. :o
~B
I'm not mad. I'm somebody who's waiting for a delivery. Check my previous posts. I started reading this thread when I got nervous about the delay, at first I was reassured. Many implied Illy was reliable, I was even tempted to finalize before delivery. But I didn't, so I expect I will be refunded and I will not be ripped-off. That, I suppose, is the least of my worries now. Do we know of anyone who has actually been ripped-off?
I don't understand why you would imply that I am specifically at fault for writing a sentence that combined info that has been stated repeatedly in this thread. But I guess there's a lot I don't understand. Why would a seller divulge that info to a relative "stranger"? Why would someone repeat it here in public with how many unknown lurkers? It really doesn't give any answers, it just creates more questions.
As I am new, if anyone feels my post was inappropriate I will delete it.
In retrospect, no PGP was a definite warning that should have been heeded. Live and learn.
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I'm not mad. I'm somebody who's waiting for a delivery. Check my previous posts. I started reading this thread when I got nervous about the delay, at first I was reassured. Many implied Illy was reliable, I was even tempted to finalize before delivery. But I didn't, so I expect I will be refunded and I will not be ripped-off. That, I suppose, is the least of my worries now. Do we know of anyone who has actually been ripped-off?
I don't understand why you would imply that I am specifically at fault for writing a sentence that combined info that has been stated repeatedly in this thread. But I guess there's a lot I don't understand. Why would a seller divulge that info to a relative "stranger"? Why would someone repeat it here in public with how many unknown lurkers? It really doesn't give any answers, it just creates more questions.
As I am new, if anyone feels my post was inappropriate I will delete it.
In retrospect, no PGP was a definite warning that should have been heeded. Live and learn.
That is my bad. After writing my response I looked at your previous posts, you're just waiting for a delivery like everyone else. My apologies.
I agree that it's creating more questions, but at this point for our own safety lets kill this thread. If anyone disagrees I am always down to hear them out.
Other than that we don't really need to mull on shit. Scammed, busted, whatever, lets move on. Bad experience for the whole community as Krypto stated earlier.
~B
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Yeah, I knew this thread was going to get volatile after we heard about the house arrest, but in this case, I'm one of those who say it was indicated to tell us. If I get on here, and start selling goods, and 'it just so happens' I'm under house arrest, and not only don't bother to tell you guys, but also just disappear off the map without making good my transactions, then somebody would be doing the right thing by letting people know what was up. What if we didn't know this, and illy's name came back up on SR...people might continue to buy, and I don't even want to *think* about where those addresses were going. Bad situation, and we've been dealing with it, best we can. I"ve no quarrel with keeping thread open. If you *do* decide to close it, I know me--or somebody--would probably start another one, simply because we have people that have money out there, and we need to keep a thread open so they can let everybody know the seller is a dead end.
We need to toughen up here a bit...not concern ourselves with journalists and stuff...ha ha...if that really happened, there's plenty of more interesting stories to follow...all we really know are the simple facts that this person hasn't delivered what they said they would. Everything else is just what somebody heard, or what she said, and that too could be total bullshit. We've no way of knowing, but the people who got ripped have every right to pursue their funds, and to voice their concerns on here.
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Wait, doesn't escrow protect us from being ripped-off in this case?
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Wait, doesn't escrow protect us from being ripped-off in this case?
Yes, it does. She never tried to get out of escrow, I don't believe...it was that other lamebrain that did--BS-- and ripped a few of our people off, it seems...but no, you're right, just slow waiting for it all, and be sure to dispute or whatever you need to do to get them returned...
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Maybe a good idea would be:
*if you used escrow, just cancel your order(s).
*if you didn't use escrow, accept that your BTC are gone. Gone.
*request Admin to lock this thread. Not delete it. Preserves the historical value. Learning device for newbies. But further discussion of details in public is self-defeating.
Just my opinion. YMMV. :)
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I'd kind of like to leave it open a few more days, as there are two many issues going on here: illy could pop back up, somebody could get their issue...bad things could happen we' d want to be aware of...I know there are some differences of opinion on this thread, but it's still kind of up in the air, and I'd like to know what happens here, if anything
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I'd kind of like to leave it open a few more days, as there are two many issues going on here: illy could pop back up, somebody could get their issue...bad things could happen we' d want to be aware of...I know there are some differences of opinion on this thread, but it's still kind of up in the air, and I'd like to know what happens here, if anything
I agree.
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If you read this thread carefully from the beginning, you'll see that the majority of posters are complaining about Illy, even from the very beginning. There was a vocal minority that insisted that Illy was solid based on their discussions with him/her, but some of them hadn't actually placed an order with Illy. I don't know what the point of hyping a seller you've never done business would be. On the other hand I don't understand the need to have extensive communications with a seller without actually ordering anything. Especially a seller with no PGP. Sorry, I'm new here.
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You're taking kind of a big shotgun blast at a lot of people who get along pretty good, listen to each other, and try to help each other when shit goes wrong, so I'd reread and maybe rephrase your post. "A vocal minority that insisted" etc., is downright rude. I order twice from illy, and twice she came through. As I said. Also, unlike most ripoffs, she posted on these forums, and most people, IMO, found her credible because of that fact.
What happened afterward is a whole other deal. But I disagree with your overall take, and found it offensive. We were just trying to find out what was going on, and give support to those who hadn't gotten their shit. People are free agents, and can do as they please. Our threads are simply meant to share information. At worst your implication is actually that some of us are lying or had some ulterior motive, and at best you are simply wrong and don't know what the fuck you are talking about. "Hadn't actually placed an order?!" Where the hell are you getting your info from?
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If you read this thread carefully from the beginning, you'll see that the majority of posters are complaining about Illy, even from the very beginning. There was a vocal minority that insisted that Illy was solid based on their discussions with him/her, but some of them hadn't actually placed an order with Illy. I don't know what the point of hyping a seller you've never done business would be. On the other hand I don't understand the need to have extensive communications with a seller without actually ordering anything. Especially a seller with no PGP. Sorry, I'm new here.
I see that you're new, so i think you dont understand what went on here. Did you place a order with Illy? If not, you should keep the trolling to yourself, and if you did, the only valuable statement you gave was about the PGP which we already covered previously.
You're taking kind of a big shotgun blast at a lot of people who get along pretty good, listen to each other, and try to help each other when shit goes wrong, so I'd reread and maybe rephrase your post. "A vocal minority that insisted" etc., is downright rude. I order twice from illy, and twice she came through. As I said. Also, unlike most ripoffs, she posted on these forums, and most people, IMO, found her credible because of that fact.
What happened afterward is a whole other deal. But I disagree with your overall take, and found it offensive. We were just trying to find out what was going on, and give support to those who hadn't gotten their shit. People are free agents, and can do as they please. Our threads are simply meant to share information. At worst your implication is actually that some of us are lying or had some ulterior motive, and at best you are simply wrong and don't know what the fuck you are talking about. "Hadn't actually placed an order?!" Where the hell are you getting your info from?
I have a feeling this is going to feed the troll.
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You're taking kind of a big shotgun blast at a lot of people who get along pretty good, listen to each other, and try to help each other when shit goes wrong, so I'd reread and maybe rephrase your post. "A vocal minority that insisted" etc., is downright rude. I order twice from illy, and twice she came through. As I said. Also, unlike most ripoffs, she posted on these forums, and most people, IMO, found her credible because of that fact.
What happened afterward is a whole other deal. But I disagree with your overall take, and found it offensive. We were just trying to find out what was going on, and give support to those who hadn't gotten their shit. People are free agents, and can do as they please. Our threads are simply meant to share information. At worst your implication is actually that some of us are lying or had some ulterior motive, and at best you are simply wrong and don't know what the fuck you are talking about. "Hadn't actually placed an order?!" Where the hell are you getting your info from?
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Yup, yup and yup. But there's a very good decorum kept here at SR forums and it's worth hanging onto. Best to just ignore the troll and if he gets wild we can ask SR Admin to remove all his posts. When no one talks to the troll, and their words get erased, they'll go back to their day job making Keebler cookies or Lucky Charms.
But seriously, don't communicate directly with it. :D
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I checked my sent messages and Illy has recently read them but still not replied to them. So I'm no longer of the mindset that they're unable to connect to SR for one reason or another and now believe they're conscious of what they're doing and don't give a fuck. I had such high hopes for you Illy. Your loss.
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Personally, I think it was unnecessary to share the information that Illy is on house arrest. That's a key piece of information that LE could use to discover her identity, if they haven't already. Of course, Illy really shouldn't have released that information to anyone in the first place.
Actually I just read through most of this thread and there are a number of places where Illy releases personal information about herself. Just reading through this thread I learned that Illy is a woman on house arrest who lives in a city on the east coast in an area where there is more heroin than weed. Narrows it down quite a bit.
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If you read this thread carefully from the beginning, you'll see that the majority of posters are complaining about Illy, even from the very beginning. There was a vocal minority that insisted that Illy was solid based on their discussions with him/her, but some of them hadn't actually placed an order with Illy. I don't know what the point of hyping a seller you've never done business would be. On the other hand I don't understand the need to have extensive communications with a seller without actually ordering anything. Especially a seller with no PGP. Sorry, I'm new here.
i dont think he was trolling. clearly states he is new here and asks a valid question. never calls you out specifically phubaiblues, being one of the few that actually received product, perhaps wasnt talking about you?
dont be so quick to jump on someones back for a slightly misguided post is all im saying.
also, if i was a scammer, why wouldnt i fill a few orders for a few trusted members and build a good rep with them. all it takes is a few trusted members saying someone is legit for a flood of orders to come in, especially with the kind of product we are talking about here.
i have several problems with this whole situation. firstly, the lack of pgp. this is a big red flag. its been posted 1000 times. there are step by step tuts a child could follow. no excuse for ignoring this.
secondly, early in this thread:
In theory this was a good idea. Like Communism :) ... The problem is that I was selling "rope a dopes" faster than I could get them in. My local supplier who I primarily deal with had run out of stock for the first time since I could remember. I got a hold of a second dealer to help replenish my stock but that product was substandard and I refused to vend it. As a result I had about 5 days of dead-space where I was taking orders in but not sending any out.
5 days of taking orders without having product? huge fucking red flag so fucking big that you could see it from space. i cant remember how many times ive read complaints about vendors posting listings, without having the product on hand. just ridiculous. no one should condone this kind of behavior. yet, not a single word about it is mentioned anywhere in this thread until now.
im not even going to talk about the being on house arrest part. im just shaking my damn head and face-palming at the same time.
i think you all need to rethink how you do business on SRM. one or two orders is not enough to vouch for someone. dont do business with vendors that dont use pgp. dont buy products without timestamped proof that the vendor actually has the product. especially a product like this. be smart. you do a disservice to yourself when you let things like this happen.
my opinion of illy is that she may have had good intentions, but the road to hell is paved with good intentions. how she was doing business here is not how responsible vendors are supposed to do business. thank god for SRM, especially for the buyers, but as far as vending goes, its not for everyone. not everyone is cut out for it, and if your own house isnt in order, then your chance of spending any significant amount of time vending here is slim to none.
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funyankeeguy
Thanks for understanding. Everyday I hope the package arrives, but this is just the wishful thinking that got me into this mess. You're absolutely right about those red flags.
i think you all need to rethink how you do business on SRM. one or two orders is not enough to vouch for someone.
That was essentially my point, also NO orders, why heap praise on a seller?
Earlier in this thread:
Illy if you are reading this I never placed an order with you (came close lol) - but as a member of our community - I think you deserve praise for being professional and communicative. Buyers will bolster this with reviews.
If anyone was offended by my post, please accept my apologies.
My order is in resolution center, and due in 2 days. Can anyone tell me where I can find info about the process? My last PM to Illy has been unread for 3 days. Is there anything specific that needs to be done to insure the BTC are returned?
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Attacking illy is one thing. Attacking other buyers simply because they received product from illy, and posted such, is a whole other thing. You can't have it both ways. Illy shipped to me, on time, so second time I lifted escrow, and suggested she come here, as a thread had been started. She came here, and shipped product a *second* time to me, actually telling me in pm, that because I had lifted escrow, that she would ship with the order that left 'that night' and did.
And coming on the forums is generally seen as a 'positive' step, and none of her actions were those of a 'ripoff' as she didn't secretly pm people trying to get them to lift escrow. So those of us who had either received product--like me--or had experience on SR that led us to believe she was *not* a ripoff, but more likely confused and overwhelmed, gave her slack on here, and shared our experience with the other opiate buyers, same as any other thread.
When--out of character at this point--she did not deliver, and quit posting, we became concerned. At this point, several people *still* had not received their order, and we began to suspect something had gone wrong, as this was *unusual*... didn't have the appearance of LE or scammer, or anything else that we are used to seeing, so we had different opinions...*naturally*.
But if you come on here and make any kind of allegations about other buyers, then you can't expect us to act civil, or say ..."oh, just a poor new guy, doesn't know how to act..." Bullshit, I'm much more worried about LE trying to bring down this site thru trolls and fake buyers, than I am some idiotic seller who gets in over her head. These lamebrains should have come on forums earlier and asked about illy, then they would have seen she was delivering erratically, said 'thankyou' to SR for having escrow, and gone on about their business.
I've been had packages not arrive, and get my hopes all up. What do you think happened with *envious?* Same thing as what happened here. But I didn't go around attacking other buyers who turned envious into a hero on these forums. I simply waited until either escrow kicked in, or envious canceled the order, and my money was returned, and certainly didn't go around either attacking envious *or* implying the other buyers were liars or worse.
The fact that one buyer shared private information that illy was on house arrest was simply a judgment call to protect other buyers as we worried that this might be LE harvesting information. Some of us think he made the right call in doing so--I do, as at this point illy was no longer replying.
You can't have it both ways on here: you can't expect us to act all friendly and supportive and share information, and then act like a little kid and get all pissy at the buyers who did receive product and defended illy because of this. I got mine, it was good heroin. You didn't get yours, you get your escrow returned. Yay escrow. What happened to illy? Fuck if I know...fuck if I care...
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And another thing, I hate to bust y'all's bubble, but *most* new sellers of opiates don't use pgp...and this seller was new. Saying *that* is some kind of red flag shows that either you haven't been around here long, or you are referring to another product altogether.
It usually only after sellers have been here a while, and come to the forums, and we get on their case enough, that they learn pgp. It's seen as a *positive* thing when they do use it, but in and by itself, it doesn't mean a thing. Calling it a red flag would mean I wouldn't be getting half the product I get.
The other thing is, I'm on these forums daily, and I personally haven't seen another seller go to all this trouble, just to *not* deliver. You are confusing *ripoffs* , like BarrySneaky, who pm's users to get them to lift escrow. illy has not done that: this is not a *ripoff* so don't be getting your terminology confused. This is simply the same thing that happened with envious: a shipper who had shipped to *some* people previously, didn't deliver. With escrow. Where's the ripoff?
And at that point she was still posting on the forums, and delivering to at least me, so of *course* I trusted her and said so. As would anybody else. How many fucking times do you have to get product before you think a seller is legit? Two times is enough for me...
Then, and only then, when other people say they aren't getting product, I quit ordering...plain and simple...as I did. Havn't lost shit, and got two deliveries of light brown heroin...sounds good to me...and to compare this to any other seller: i've read every opiate post in the forums, and I"ve yet to see any other seller like this one: no comparison...this is a *unique* situation, and that's why you see the differing opinions...but I'd learn how to post, before you go trashing other people...
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Phubaiblues
I'm not attacking you. Posting that you received product is a good thing. It's also good for me to post that I didn't receive. But what basis does someone who hasn't ordered have to make Illy into a hero? That is not an attack on the people who did it, it's simply a question.
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Phubaiblues
I'm not attacking you. Posting that you received product is a good thing. It's also good for me to post that I didn't receive. But what basis does someone who hasn't ordered have to make Illy into a hero? That is not an attack on the people who did it, it's simply a question.
He said he didn't get product, but was commending her for showing up on here: we've tried to encourage sellers to do that...he didn't *lie* ... he didn't say "illy is a hero, we should all trust her!" You've used some really unfortunate and rude terminology. This was a confusing situation: you have a new seller: they rarely use pgp, so where on earth this becomes a 'red flag' is beyond me...remember *new*!
Second: she did deliver to me, and did answer my pm's, so I told her to come on here, and she did...all those are usually seen as *good* things. Coming on here, is usually a *green* flag for sellers, as rarely does a ripoff come on here.
Third: the fact that she was treating me well *does* influence how people act. Be honest: if a regular poster on here, that gets along with everybody, and has no axe to grind--me--says they are receiving the product, and it's good, this is going to influence people who are waiting...so I had a lot to do with how people reacted. I *know* that, and it started weighing on me, when people not only didn't receive their product, but were giving illy slack because everybody *wasn't* getting ripped off...so I pmed her again, as I'd lifted escrow, as I always do when sellers come thru, and she answered me, said she was overwhelmed, and was trying to catch up. That was when I told her privately *and* on here, to take some time off and catch up on the buyers who hadn't yet received product.
Finally, we had you and a couple other guys who were newer on here, you,for one, just starting to post, and trying to find out what was going on. We were trying to clue you in, and remind you that escrow saves you...every once in a while a seller just sort of dials out, does too much of their own product, and can't deliver...when a similar situation came about with envious, and lots of people were talking good about him, and my product didn't show up, I just waited, and eventualy I realized he canceled, so I didn't need to go into dispute mode. But I *didn't* start attacking him, even though I hadn't gotten shit, because I realized that it was complex, that some people thought he was a good guy, and he was on the forums, and answered some pms...same situation as here.
At this point on here, kryptonite made a *very* hard decision to let us know she was on house arrest: he obviously had trouble with it, and I felt that it was a tough decision, and he had tried to help us sort out what was going on...
So if you noticed all this, and been more specific in your judgements, you would have been more correct, and seen this for what it is, a very confusing and *unusual* situation, not easy to define. But your first post today, was a potshot and generalization. There were no huge red flags here. *most* new sellers don't use pgp. The always learn to do that after we keep hassling about it: illy had asked for help on this--another *green* flag--and somebody was helping her.
So this was tough, complex, deal going on, and we were nice to you, since you came on kind of late to the game, and made what I consider troll-like comments. You're right, posting that you didn't receive product is fine: but dressing up an insult in a question isn't o.k. Nobody has made illy a hero: she simply did a lot of things that we encourage on here, and there has been no ripoff...and you are now being disingenuous in saying you were 'just asking a question'...that's troll like behavior, and I don't know about you, but I kind of like getting along with people, as these forums are our lifeline to finding out what is going on, so don't keep playing the "I'm a newguy so I"m allowed to insult you with 'questions'" card, because I've been around too long to buy it.
you can either opt to get along here, and receive encouragement and information, or continue to play games, and receive what you are getting...
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Attacking illy is one thing. Attacking other buyers simply because they received product from illy, and posted such, is a whole other thing. You can't have it both ways. Illy shipped to me, on time, so second time I lifted escrow, and suggested she come here, as a thread had been started. She came here, and shipped product a *second* time to me, actually telling me in pm, that because I had lifted escrow, that she would ship with the order that left 'that night' and did.
And coming on the forums is generally seen as a 'positive' step, and none of her actions were those of a 'ripoff' as she didn't secretly pm people trying to get them to lift escrow. So those of us who had either received product--like me--or had experience on SR that led us to believe she was *not* a ripoff, but more likely confused and overwhelmed, gave her slack on here, and shared our experience with the other opiate buyers, same as any other thread.
When--out of character at this point--she did not deliver, and quit posting, we became concerned. At this point, several people *still* had not received their order, and we began to suspect something had gone wrong, as this was *unusual*... didn't have the appearance of LE or scammer, or anything else that we are used to seeing, so we had different opinions...*naturally*.
But if you come on here and make any kind of allegations about other buyers, then you can't expect us to act civil, or say ..."oh, just a poor new guy, doesn't know how to act..." Bullshit, I'm much more worried about LE trying to bring down this site thru trolls and fake buyers, than I am some idiotic seller who gets in over her head. These lamebrains should have come on forums earlier and asked about illy, then they would have seen she was delivering erratically, said 'thankyou' to SR for having escrow, and gone on about their business.
I've been had packages not arrive, and get my hopes all up. What do you think happened with *envious?* Same thing as what happened here. But I didn't go around attacking other buyers who turned envious into a hero on these forums. I simply waited until either escrow kicked in, or envious canceled the order, and my money was returned, and certainly didn't go around either attacking envious *or* implying the other buyers were liars or worse.
The fact that one buyer shared private information that illy was on house arrest was simply a judgment call to protect other buyers as we worried that this might be LE harvesting information. Some of us think he made the right call in doing so--I do, as at this point illy was no longer replying.
You can't have it both ways on here: you can't expect us to act all friendly and supportive and share information, and then act like a little kid and get all pissy at the buyers who did receive product and defended illy because of this. I got mine, it was good heroin. You didn't get yours, you get your escrow returned. Yay escrow. What happened to illy? Fuck if I know...fuck if I care...
you seem to be very defensive about all of this. i dont think anyone is attacking anyone, he simply asked a question. why do you keep saying he is attacking? what allegation did he make exactly? i must have missed it. can you point it out to me? also, why compare this to envious? he refunded all the money, which is not anywhere near the same as what is going on in this situation.
And another thing, I hate to bust y'all's bubble, but *most* new sellers of opiates don't use pgp...and this seller was new. Saying *that* is some kind of red flag shows that either you haven't been around here long, or you are referring to another product altogether.
It usually only after sellers have been here a while, and come to the forums, and we get on their case enough, that they learn pgp. It's seen as a *positive* thing when they do use it, but in and by itself, it doesn't mean a thing. Calling it a red flag would mean I wouldn't be getting half the product I get.
The other thing is, I'm on these forums daily, and I personally haven't seen another seller go to all this trouble, just to *not* deliver. You are confusing *ripoffs* , like BarrySneaky, who pm's users to get them to lift escrow. illy has not done that: this is not a *ripoff* so don't be getting your terminology confused. This is simply the same thing that happened with envious: a shipper who had shipped to *some* people previously, didn't deliver. With escrow. Where's the ripoff?
And at that point she was still posting on the forums, and delivering to at least me, so of *course* I trusted her and said so. As would anybody else. How many fucking times do you have to get product before you think a seller is legit? Two times is enough for me...
Then, and only then, when other people say they aren't getting product, I quit ordering...plain and simple...as I did. Havn't lost shit, and got two deliveries of light brown heroin...sounds good to me...and to compare this to any other seller: i've read every opiate post in the forums, and I"ve yet to see any other seller like this one: no comparison...this is a *unique* situation, and that's why you see the differing opinions...but I'd learn how to post, before you go trashing other people...
im sorry but this post is just irresponsible. read the buyers and sellers guide. everyone should be using pgp. if a new seller doesnt take the time to do it right, then how much faith can you put in their ability to deliver product safely? i dont see how what product youre selling factors into that. again comparing this to envious doesnt make sense.
again, im not attacking you, but i think you have to look at it this way, a few people may have made purchases based on your imput of this vendor, who may have been gaming you for positive feedback. this doesnt mean that you have to be defensive. you are not responsible for what they did, and no one is saying that you are. thank you for posting about your experiences.
i hate to do it, but i really have to point out that this is not anything like what happened to envious. he actually shipped those orders and they were stolen. this vendor is clearing not shipping orders at all, or at least only selectively. both completely unacceptable and the account should be banned.
ps. no one was being trashed in any post that i have made. please do not try to stifle my speech by calling it things which it is not i.e. attacking, trashing, etc.
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Hey gents,
It's your friendly neighborhood Mr. Buttinsky. Coming to weigh in on more recent illy developments.
@funyankeeguy and @phubaiblues-you are both reasonable people. Unfortunately, illy hosed our little gang but good and she unwittingly made @phubaiblues and possibly others (I refuse to read the whole long thread to confirm) her accomplices (by selectively delivering to them, so they would say "yeah, I got it"). Or she may still be without malice or malfeasance in this situation. For all we know she got high and broke house arrest and is sitting in jail. In which case she simply *can't* communicate.
In any case, anyone who has been around drug forums knows how a troll to lure in buyers with "false positive feedback" works. You get one guy (fake identity) to go apeshit over your product 5 seconds after it arrives. When this fails to work, you sign up for another account and have second guy also go apeshit for said product. Repeat with new accounts, usually posting their first or second comment (hahaha. I love that part) and *only* in the thread with said vendor and *only* in reply when someone says they're wrong.
None of this applies to @phubaiblues-he's been here as long as anybody. Posts daily on all kinds of topics, etc etc etc. I read the whole forum (new posts) every day and I'd trust his info because I know he reads it all too. Possibly illy is *way clever* and after sizing up several people here she realized that @phubaiblues was the most trusted of the people who ordered from her so she shipped to him for that reason. But more likely, she just kind of liked how he talked and when she had 2 bindles and 10 orders, both of them went to @phubaiblues. But if that's what happened, one thing is clear: it's not *his* fault.
There's also this weird thing that happens on forums, the old guys can confirm this for me, when the seller is a female and she has some attractive ways of talking and seems kind of vulnerable. People (meaning us men) tend to jump in harder, often with both feet, to protect her because it's...well, it's how us men are wired. It's not even something sexual, I'd bet illy never said anything sexual to anyone here. It's just a way of communicating and reacting that makes people want to "help her out if they can". I haven't even reviewed the thread to see if this happened or not; I just know it usually does.
I've seen this a couple of dozen times over the years. It always looks just like this illy situation: more heat on it than it seems the situation would warrant given the amount of money involved/damage done and no one knows why it's like that. Tempers flair often and easily, but no one really knows why. Yup, been there; done that. :)
I never talked to the woman. So maybe I'm talking out my ass. You could tell Mr. Buttinsky to butt out.
But this sure is seeming like one of those times...
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im sorry but this post is just irresponsible.
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im not attacking you
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you have to be defensive.
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. please do not try to stifle my speech by calling it things which it is not i.e. attacking, trashing, etc.
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I thought that was possible too, but since there was no 'rip' and I doubt seriously LE would be sending off H, all of my inclinations are that she just was probably what she appeared to be: a junky who thought they'd sell enough dope to support their habit, got all overwhelmed, and probably did most of it, shipped a few bindles before it all fell apart, then we all got excited and have been discussing it vehemently ever since. Fuck if I know...but I--sadly--do have a lot of experience with heroin addicts, online or off, and this seems to me to be the most likely scenario...but again, just speculation, and nobody has lost money so it's not the same as BS...whether she planned eventually to rip, again, who knows...all we have is the facts: I got shipped to early on, and shipped to again, and several people didn't...I perceived burnt out junky, but since she was on here, I did my best to keep her engaged, and trying to get packages delivered...didn't happen...now we get to get excited about it...not a major event...
Hey gents,
It's your friendly neighborhood Mr. Buttinsky. Coming to weigh in on more recent illy developments.
@funyankeeguy and @phubaiblues-you are both reasonable people. Unfortunately, illy hosed our little gang but good and she unwittingly made @phubaiblues and possibly others (I refuse to read the whole long thread to confirm) her accomplices (by selectively delivering to them, so they would say "yeah, I got it"). Or she may still be without malice or malfeasance in this situation. For all we know she got high and broke house arrest and is sitting in jail. In which case she simply *can't* communicate.
In any case, anyone who has been around drug forums knows how a troll to lure in buyers with "false positive feedback" works. You get one guy (fake identity) to go apeshit over your product 5 seconds after it arrives. When this fails to work, you sign up for another account and have second guy also go apeshit for said product. Repeat with new accounts, usually posting their first or second comment (hahaha. I love that part) and *only* in the thread with said vendor and *only* in reply when someone says they're wrong.
None of this applies to @phubaiblues-he's been here as long as anybody. Posts daily on all kinds of topics, etc etc etc. I read the whole forum (new posts) every day and I'd trust his info because I know he reads it all too. Possibly illy is *way clever* and after sizing up several people here she realized that @phubaiblues was the most trusted of the people who ordered from her so she shipped to him for that reason. But more likely, she just kind of liked how he talked and when she had 2 bindles and 10 orders, both of them went to @phubaiblues. But if that's what happened, one thing is clear: it's not *his* fault.
There's also this weird thing that happens on forums, the old guys can confirm this for me, when the seller is a female and she has some attractive ways of talking and seems kind of vulnerable. People (meaning us men) tend to jump in harder, often with both feet, to protect her because it's...well, it's how us men are wired. It's not even something sexual, I'd bet illy never said anything sexual to anyone here. It's just a way of communicating and reacting that makes people want to "help her out if they can". I haven't even reviewed the thread to see if this happened or not; I just know it usually does.
I've seen this a couple of dozen times over the years. It always looks just like this illy situation: more heat on it than it seems the situation would warrant given the amount of money involved/damage done and no one knows why it's like that. Tempers flair often and easily, but no one really knows why. Yup, been there; done that. :)
I never talked to the woman. So maybe I'm talking out my ass. You could tell Mr. Buttinsky to butt out.
But this sure is seeming like one of those times...
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you seem to be very defensive
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im sorry but this post is just irresponsible.
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im not attacking you
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you have to be defensive.
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. please do not try to stifle my speech by calling it things which it is not i.e. attacking, trashing, etc.
yawn
thats pretty easy to do when you cherry pick my words.
i guess what it comes down to is that as a vendor, i hold myself to a higher standard and i want you guys to hold every vendor to the same high standards. as buyers, its what you deserve. being as such, i get a little iffed when i see things like this happening to you guys. sorry if anyone mistook my words for anything more.
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phubaiblues
Thanks for helping me understand. Illy was called professional and communicative because s/he bothered to come over to this forum, not based on her actual selling activity. In retrospect, I've learned how a seller might use this forum to broadcast messages to reassure buyers that packages marked "in transit" were actually on their way, possibly getting a few trusting people to release BTC before the goods arrived. Look at Illy's posts, there's a bit of subtle persuasion going on. Lets feel compassion for the overwhelmed junky girl whose just trying to do the right thing. It has the makings of a typical confidence job. If I had got a "love letter" I would understand. But since it's been in transit for more than 13 days, I have to assume it was never really sent. If she didn't have the goods she could have cancelled.
As to PGP, we all must be running TOR here, right? Is GPG that much harder to run than TOR? I'm running linux and it was easy:
1. install gpg: apt-get install gpg
2. create a set of keys: gpg --gen-key
3. import seller's public key: gpg --import seller.gpg
4. encrypt a message to seller: gpg --armor --encrypt --recipient seller message.txt (probably wanna put your public key in that message)
5. decrypt a message from seller: gpg --armor --decrypt sellermessage.gpg
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Dude: give it a rest. We disagree. Move on.
phubaiblues
Thanks for helping me understand. Illy was called professional and communicative because s/he bothered to come over to this forum, not based on her actual selling activity. In retrospect, I've learned how a seller might use this forum to broadcast messages to reassure buyers that packages marked "in transit" were actually on their way, possibly getting a few trusting people to release BTC before the goods arrived. Look at Illy's posts, there's a bit of subtle persuasion going on. Lets feel compassion for the overwhelmed junky girl whose just trying to do the right thing. It has the makings of a typical confidence job. If I had got a "love letter" I would understand. But since it's been in transit for more than 13 days, I have to assume it was never really sent. If she didn't have the goods she could have cancelled.
As to PGP, we all must be running TOR here, right? Is GPG that much harder to run than TOR? I'm running linux and it was easy:
1. install gpg: apt-get install gpg
2. create a set of keys: gpg --gen-key
3. import seller's public key: gpg --import seller.gpg
4. encrypt a message to seller: gpg --armor --encrypt --recipient seller message.txt (probably wanna put your public key in that message)
5. decrypt a message from seller: gpg --armor --decrypt sellermessage.gpg
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phubaiblues
Thanks for helping me understand. Illy was called professional and communicative because s/he bothered to come over to this forum, not based on her actual selling activity. In retrospect, I've learned how a seller might use this forum to broadcast messages to reassure buyers that packages marked "in transit" were actually on their way, possibly getting a few trusting people to release BTC before the goods arrived. Look at Illy's posts, there's a bit of subtle persuasion going on. Lets feel compassion for the overwhelmed junky girl whose just trying to do the right thing. It has the makings of a typical confidence job. If I had got a "love letter" I would understand. But since it's been in transit for more than 13 days, I have to assume it was never really sent. If she didn't have the goods she could have cancelled.
As to PGP, we all must be running TOR here, right? Is GPG that much harder to run than TOR? I'm running linux and it was easy:
1. install gpg: apt-get install gpg
2. create a set of keys: gpg --gen-key
3. import seller's public key: gpg --import seller.gpg
4. encrypt a message to seller: gpg --armor --encrypt --recipient seller message.txt (probably wanna put your public key in that message)
5. decrypt a message from seller: gpg --armor --decrypt sellermessage.gpg
Someone's pussy hurts.
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btcfreedom: Keep talking up sellers you haven't even ordered from.
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btcfreedom: Keep talking up sellers you haven't even ordered from.
u mad
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It was my fault for believing the hype in a forum called "rumor mill'.
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It was my fault for believing the hype in a forum called "rumor mill'.
so leave.
kthnxbai
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Your disinformation campaign is just too entertaining.
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ANYWAYS...my resolution case just ended with me getting 100% and illy getting bad feedback - i also just noticed someone else left good feedback for her today. Also, they mustve noticed my "last seen" thread and added that function to the site because it says on her profile "was last seen: 7 days ago"
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ANYWAYS...my resolution case just ended with me getting 100% and illy getting bad feedback - i also just noticed someone else left good feedback for her today. Also, they mustve noticed my "last seen" thread and added that function to the site because it says on her profile "was last seen: 7 days ago"
Yeah, they've changed the whole feedback structure, there's a thread on it somewhere. Always gotta remember, too, that most of the people don't make it to the forums, and some post very delayed feedback. I'm glad you finally got this resolved, and your money returned. I hope your other transactions go better than this one did.
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Hello Silk Road, :-\
It's been a tough couple of weeks. I really do not want to go into details with you guys, but I got in a little bit of trouble totally unrelated to Silk Road regarding a dirty urine and research chemicals if you can believe that, related to a 2006 conviction for a misdemeanor.
The first thing that I want to say to you guys is, read my PM's or even things I have posted on this forum. I have read this entire thread and I feel like my posts reflect some kind of caring and warmth to customers and friends. And I am a little saddened, to be honest, at some of your posts. One of the first things I wanted to do was go on SR and explain myself only to find 100+ hate mails.
I think it is very important for you all to realize that there is DEFINITELY a law enforcement presence here on Silk Road and it may or may not have been the impetus for my seemingly benign PO to just pop out of nowhere with a specific, nonstandard drug test which is obscure and expensive (the research chems) I believe that somehow, somewhere, my communications were compromised. I believe that I had made myself a TARGET by selling a hard to find substance that was in demand. How this is possible is beyond me.
I lost more than thirty orders on two seperate days. I cannot figure it out, except for the possibility that the USPS can take a capture of a label and look for similar characteristics on other labels, and then re-route the deliveries for inspections. When I was released I was stunned to find that none of my recent orders had reached their destinations.
THERE IS NO WAY to make money on SR (when you use the escrow system) by ripping people off. IT WOULD BE A WASTE OF TIME.
Sorry if my tone is a little bitter, but I got fucked over and lost money too, you guys had escrow at least.
illy
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I was just about to lock this but I'll ket others express their opinions and feelings on the situation.
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Hello Silk Road, :-\
It's been a tough couple of weeks. I really do not want to go into details with you guys, but I got in a little bit of trouble totally unrelated to Silk Road regarding a dirty urine and research chemicals if you can believe that, related to a 2006 conviction for a misdemeanor.
The first thing that I want to say to you guys is, read my PM's or even things I have posted on this forum. I have read this entire thread and I feel like my posts reflect some kind of caring and warmth to customers and friends. And I am a little saddened, to be honest, at some of your posts. One of the first things I wanted to do was go on SR and explain myself only to find 100+ hate mails.
I think it is very important for you all to realize that there is DEFINITELY a law enforcement presence here on Silk Road and it may or may not have been the impetus for my seemingly benign PO to just pop out of nowhere with a specific, nonstandard drug test which is obscure and expensive (the research chems) I believe that somehow, somewhere, my communications were compromised. I believe that I had made myself a TARGET by selling a hard to find substance that was in demand. How this is possible is beyond me.
I lost more than thirty orders on two seperate days. I cannot figure it out, except for the possibility that the USPS can take a capture of a label and look for similar characteristics on other labels, and then re-route the deliveries for inspections. When I was released I was stunned to find that none of my recent orders had reached their destinations.
THERE IS NO WAY to make money on SR (when you use the escrow system) by ripping people off. IT WOULD BE A WASTE OF TIME.
Sorry if my tone is a little bitter, but I got fucked over and lost money too, you guys had escrow at least.
illy
cool story, how long did it take you to make that one up? Do you know you're a risk to this marketplace with your stupidity? What is this rambling bullshit post? Explains nothing but your misguided anger and complaining about how there is no way to make money on Silk Road by ripping people off. what you mean is it's too hard for you to make money on Silk Road because you're a sorry ass fiend. Hate email and angry responses is all you'll get if you can't get your shit together. Sorry but you had it comin'.
I don't buy any of your posts, stories, or excuses. You've wasted a lot of people's time here. Sorry if my tone is a little bitter. now get lost!
Research a chemical that makes you smarter - for the sake of humanity ffs.
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you never should have been selling here in the first place.
no one wants to hear your bullshit excuses.
no one feels sorry for you. you should leave.
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illy,
thanks for posting. you were good to me and i appreciate you coming online to say something.
ecm
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I wonder how many people finalized early not knowing illy was a piece of shit scammer..
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I figured this would have been a couple pages longer by now.
How many people got 100% refunds for this situation vs. how many worked outside of escrow?
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Anyone receive a love letter on this or a visit?
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I don't know what to believe but I am hoping for scammer at this point. Escrow worked, I got 100% back.
If Illy's story is true I also got my contact info in LE's hands too.
Communications compromised? Try learning PGP!
Still my fault, I know the risks, or should, and no one is responsible for my choices but me.
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Communications compromised? Try learning PGP!
+1 - i also got my money back because of escrow.
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Illy, regardless if your story is true or not:
Thanks for coming to the forums and trying to explain. No matter what anyone says, it takes a little guts to show up after reading most replies to this thread. You could have stayed gone and faded from memory but you chose to at least step up. And this is coming from a buyer who's last order with you was lost.
Assuming your story is true though, this worries me a little bit. If LE has compromised your buyers' addresses that raises a pretty big issue for a lot of your previous buyers. I for one have noticed some unusual LE activity around my house recently, and an order I placed about a week ago (should have arrived by now from a trusted seller) has not shown. I'd be lying if I said I wasn't a little concerned about a soon-to-be controlled delivery.
As much as I love the idea behind Silk Road, I'm really debating not buying here anymore. The quality drugs are great, and some of this stuff I probably won't see in my area for months if not years... but sometimes I really do feel safer buying on the street.
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I dont know illy and have never spoken. I do think that she has a valid point regarding what she said with the labels. Her exact comment crossed my mind recently.
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no one feels sorry for you. you should leave.
Awww I feels sorry for you, Illy! :-[ And if youre a rat I feel sorry for you and if youre a scammerz I feel sorry for you... but especially if you just want the coppers to leave you alone and let u make munnys but all your old peoples is hatin now... :P I hope your life gets better! <3 ~smod
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Keep it coming folks i want to hear everyone's POV on the situation
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you never should have been selling here in the first place.
no one wants to hear your bullshit excuses.
no one feels sorry for you. you should leave.
I agree with you that I do not feel sorry for stupidity. however I feel sorry for anyone who gets into serious, pound me in the ass type trouble because of drugs. Punishment does not fit the crime in regards to almost all drug arrests.
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I ordered from Illy and it didn't show. I got my money back. This is what SR is for. I can understand being pissed off, but taking it out on her is a little ignorant. Was she a perfect vendor? No, but you knew this before ordering from her. You could have sent PM's, and she did a good job of responding, to figure out what she was up to and basically how she operated. At that point, it is buyer beware.
I order whatever I want. I don't even look at feedback. Either it shows and I'm happy, or it doesn't and I get my money back. I don't understand the problem. EVERYBODY here is breaking the law, and committing serious felonies. Anybody could get caught at any point in time, and who's fault it is is a matter of perspective. Is Illy full of shit? Maybe, but I doubt it. Why would she come on here to make up a bunch of crap instead of just staying away? Did she ever try to get around escrow? Why is she a scammer? She never asked me to finalize early.
As for facts, I don't see much different from what happened to Illy and what happened to Envious. Sure, Envious is a much smarter dude who has earned trust over a helluva long time, but both got jacked on shipment and there is no evidence to the contrary. I think that Envious did a better job of making good, but I think Illy put forth a great effort and coming on here to try to explain herself (and warn others) is something that should be encouraged. Sending her hate mail and posting all kinds of vile crap in the forums is going to do more harm than good. If you buy heroin from here, you're likely buying it from a junkie trying to support their own habit. Is this a fucking surprise to you?? You know damn well they could get arrested on the way to the post or nod off with their silk road account open on their computer when their PO decides on a surprise visit. Silk Road was designed to assume the worst, and if you don't realize the risks then you should only blame yourself. Give Illy props for coming back and posting anything. I hope other vendors do the same in the future if something happens.
I wanted that heroin. I was sorely pissed when it didn't show, but I wish Illy the best and hope she turns things around for herself.
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I ordered from Illy and it didn't show. I got my money back. This is what SR is for. I can understand being pissed off, but taking it out on her is a little ignorant. Was she a perfect vendor? No, but you knew this before ordering from her. You could have sent PM's, and she did a good job of responding, to figure out what she was up to and basically how she operated. At that point, it is buyer beware.
I order whatever I want. I don't even look at feedback. Either it shows and I'm happy, or it doesn't and I get my money back. I don't understand the problem. EVERYBODY here is breaking the law, and committing serious felonies. Anybody could get caught at any point in time, and who's fault it is is a matter of perspective. Is Illy full of shit? Maybe, but I doubt it. Why would she come on here to make up a bunch of crap instead of just staying away? Did she ever try to get around escrow? Why is she a scammer? She never asked me to finalize early.
As for facts, I don't see much different from what happened to Illy and what happened to Envious. Sure, Envious is a much smarter dude who has earned trust over a helluva long time, but both got jacked on shipment and there is no evidence to the contrary. I think that Envious did a better job of making good, but I think Illy put forth a great effort and coming on here to try to explain herself (and warn others) is something that should be encouraged. Sending her hate mail and posting all kinds of vile crap in the forums is going to do more harm than good. If you buy heroin from here, you're likely buying it from a junkie trying to support their own habit. Is this a fucking surprise to you?? You know damn well they could get arrested on the way to the post or nod off with their silk road account open on their computer when their PO decides on a surprise visit. Silk Road was designed to assume the worst, and if you don't realize the risks then you should only blame yourself. Give Illy props for coming back and posting anything. I hope other vendors do the same in the future if something happens.
I wanted that heroin. I was sorely pissed when it didn't show, but I wish Illy the best and hope she turns things around for herself.
there are so many things wrong with this post that i dont even have time to break every one of them down for you.
im just going to say that this situation is in no way at all in any fashion anywhere near to being even remotely similar to what happened with envious. i dont know why people keep saying that it is, but they instantly lose all credibility with me as soon as i read it.
selling on srm is a responsibility. if there is any reason at all whatsoever that you cannot handle that responsibility, then you should not be vending here. as customers, you deserve better than illy and the like.
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@Illy I think it is highly unlikely that your PO was notified to you using research chemicals because of your presence on SR. Much more likely is that a local person ratted you out. Feds aren't going to notify your PO at all if you are under federal investigation. Selling heroin is much more serious and they want to build a fed case on you. LE is always in constant competition (feds vs. locals). Honestly I would consider yourself lucky that you did not have any heroin or packaging materials around when they showed up (I assume, or you wouldn't be here). Now if you had told some people here on SR your real name, what you used, and the fact you were on probation, then I could see where you are coming from. You obviously did tell someone you were on house arrest so I don't know if you did or not. You got off way easier than you could have. You could be facing fed charges right now and real time. Count your blessings, ignore the haters, and move on.
@everyone DON'T SELL ON SR IF YOU ARE IN ANY SORT OF TROUBLE WITH THE LAW. It's just asking for trouble. Illy seems just like Dess did, an extremely naive girl trying to support an opiate addiction who put too much trust in random strangers on the internet. Trust no one!
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@Illy I think it is highly unlikely that your PO was notified to you using research chemicals because of your presence on SR. Much more likely is that a local person ratted you out. Feds aren't going to notify your PO at all if you are under federal investigation. Selling heroin is much more serious and they want to build a fed case on you. LE is always in constant competition (feds vs. locals). Honestly I would consider yourself lucky that you did not have any heroin or packaging materials around when they showed up (I assume, or you wouldn't be here). Now if you had told some people here on SR your real name, what you used, and the fact you were on probation, then I could see where you are coming from. You obviously did tell someone you were on house arrest so I don't know if you did or not. You got off way easier than you could have. You could be facing fed charges right now and real time. Count your blessings, ignore the haters, and move on.
@everyone DON'T SELL ON SR IF YOU ARE IN ANY SORT OF TROUBLE WITH THE LAW. It's just asking for trouble. Illy seems just like Dess did, an extremely naive girl trying to support an opiate addiction who put too much trust in random strangers on the internet. Trust no one!
This is the most honest view of the situation I have seen so far.
sjg690 also makes alot of sense as well, except the relating to what happened to envious.
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My problem was no communication on any PM's. no love letter either. But the BTC depreciated considerably while it was locked in escrow, so it was a loss. (only SR stood to gain from this situation) And it was all completely unnecessary, just like the amount of information leakage going on here. demand side is going to hold vendors to high standards, and Illy failed.
@ Illy, good luck in whatever you do next!
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My only point in bringing up Envious was that a problem with shipping, even a mass problem, could happen to anybody. I went on to say that illy didn't handle the situation nearly as well, although she was in a different set of circumstances.
Telling potential vendors not to vend if they are in trouble with the law is an oxymoron. Just being on here presupposes that they are breaking the law, as are we all for buying this stuff. The post office has a task force or entire department or whatever for figuring out how to stop drugs from going through the mail. They confiscate packages all day every day. If somebody sends out ten packages, and the labels were all printed with the same printer and paper, and the same tape was used in the same places, and one of them gets snagged, it stands to reason that they have a protocol in place to scan the system for similar packages. I tend to believe illy in part because I don't think that she's smart enough to make any of this shit up. I don't think that she is a scammer. I think that she put forth her best effort and anybody who ordered from her knew what they were getting into, or should have.
Several people did receive from Illy, and were happy. I don't know what the percentage is, as I'm sure that many who did receive did not post on the forums. Those who didn't receive might wish that nobody like Illy shows up in the future, while those who did receive might very well wish to take that chance again. After all, there is NOBODY selling powder H on SR right now. Hell, if Illy showed up tomorrow selling the same thing, I'd take another shot. And why not let her? There is enough information on the boards for people to make an informed decision as to whether to order from her. Yes, we hold vendors to a higher standard. But your typical decent vendor is one that shows up, is solid and legit for a while, and then something happens and they disappear with orders outstanding. This is going to be your most typical case on SR or anywhere else, so you best get used to it. We can only hope for a dozen Enviouses to show up and sell everything our hearts imagine and compete with one another to keep the prices low. Until that happens, I'd settle for a shot to get a few bags from Illy.
Just my opinion.
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JanetReno's analysis of this situation from the postal inspector thread seems to make sense to me:
Thirty? That's quite a claim. Maybe they are waiting to see exactly how much of the contraband this person is selling, and to whom. But I doubt it, because in a true LE investigation, they wouldn't do anything to tip off the target before they were ready to make the arrest. Obviously intercepting thirty (!) of his outgoing parcels of contraband and then sitting on it for a month would be a fairly large tip off.
I would be very dubious of this seller's claim.
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My only point in bringing up Envious was that a problem with shipping, even a mass problem, could happen to anybody. I went on to say that illy didn't handle the situation nearly as well, although she was in a different set of circumstances.
Telling potential vendors not to vend if they are in trouble with the law is an oxymoron. Just being on here presupposes that they are breaking the law, as are we all for buying this stuff. The post office has a task force or entire department or whatever for figuring out how to stop drugs from going through the mail. They confiscate packages all day every day. If somebody sends out ten packages, and the labels were all printed with the same printer and paper, and the same tape was used in the same places, and one of them gets snagged, it stands to reason that they have a protocol in place to scan the system for similar packages. I tend to believe illy in part because I don't think that she's smart enough to make any of this shit up. I don't think that she is a scammer. I think that she put forth her best effort and anybody who ordered from her knew what they were getting into, or should have.
Several people did receive from Illy, and were happy. I don't know what the percentage is, as I'm sure that many who did receive did not post on the forums. Those who didn't receive might wish that nobody like Illy shows up in the future, while those who did receive might very well wish to take that chance again. After all, there is NOBODY selling powder H on SR right now. Hell, if Illy showed up tomorrow selling the same thing, I'd take another shot. And why not let her? There is enough information on the boards for people to make an informed decision as to whether to order from her. Yes, we hold vendors to a higher standard. But your typical decent vendor is one that shows up, is solid and legit for a while, and then something happens and they disappear with orders outstanding. This is going to be your most typical case on SR or anywhere else, so you best get used to it. We can only hope for a dozen Enviouses to show up and sell everything our hearts imagine and compete with one another to keep the prices low. Until that happens, I'd settle for a shot to get a few bags from Illy.
Just my opinion.
The only problem with vending if you are on probation/parole is you have forfeited your fourth amendment rights (the one governing search and seizure). If anything shady happens cops can search your premises with NO permission at all. They don't need a warrant. This only ups the chances that a vendor will go AWOL just the same as Illy did, and everyone will get pissed and call them a scammer. Sure there are ways around this but people that think things through enough to take these precautions probably won't get into trouble with the law in the first place.
On another note I have pretty much given up on reupping on the opis... My supplier has been jerking me around for a month now and I am tired of it. If anything changes I will post a thread but until then don't hold your breath people. Sorry.
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Since Illy seemed a little careless about giving out information here on SR it's quite possible she told people in her personal life when and where she was dropping off her packages. Since there hasn't been any hints on LE being involved yet I'm leaning more towards some junkie knew where it was and just stole it from the mail box.
Either way it's the guy down the roads problem now, not mine.
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Kill this thread already...stupid people doing stupid things that attract LE >:(
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I agree everything has been said that needs to be said.