Arguing with motek is pointless, you can not reason with someone who has abandoned logic. If motek was anything other than a total idiot he would have stopped posting on this thread already due to the fact that he made such an idiot of himself in previous posts. motek, tell me about that SO3 method you kept blabbing about? If motek had the balls to do real work he would not be spending his time here, but instead of putting on his big boy pants and making some product he just wants to argue with chemists online because thats what gets his rocks off. Motek: thanks for bumping this thread! 3k views of free publicity for me, keep it up!