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Does Silk Road have a tumbler?
« on: December 04, 2013, 12:15:03 pm »
The moderators have pointed this out to me now that this is a hot topic for discussion at times and people feel unsafe at the apparent lack of a tumbler in the Silk Road market. I would like to correct this misunderstanding as Silk Road does actually have a mixing system in place and has done since the start.

We are currently using the same system that the former Silk Road market used, which is to use deposits as a funding pool and by having thousands of addresses with a low volume of bitcoin in them enter the general pool of addresses. Once a withdrawal is made, a random selection of addresses is chosen by the system and is used to fund the withdrawal for a vendor with the rest entering individual change addresses.

As I said initially, this is the same system that the old market used and generally many users felt this was sufficient protection as it fulfills the objective of not making it possible for the buyer to identify the vendors bitcoin address through following the blockchain alone, although as yet both systems are not perfect as it still allows an adversary to identify what is a deposit and what is a withdrawal if they can make enough deposits to at least have a small amount of their initial bitcoin in most withdrawals (requires at least $2,000,000 in bitcoin at this moment in time).

Our current work long term is geared towards a better solution than this which should make the identification of withdrawals and deposits far harder. The exact plans of this proposed solution I do not wish to discuss publicly, but I hope this post has cleared up the confusion surrounding the matter and remember to always use at least 1 other method of mixing your coins.
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Re: Does Silk Road have a tumbler?
« Reply #1 on: December 04, 2013, 12:30:26 pm »
Thanks for the clarification.

The recent btc tumbler (bitcoin fog) posts are rather disturbing.

I can see purchases might take more planning on the Buyer's end of things but then we just don't know how safe we should or could be.
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Re: Does Silk Road have a tumbler?
« Reply #2 on: December 04, 2013, 12:36:41 pm »
Great news! Thanks for clearing that up Bob!
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Re: Does Silk Road have a tumbler?
« Reply #3 on: December 04, 2013, 12:44:15 pm »
Thanks for the clarification.

The recent btc tumbler (bitcoin fog) posts are rather disturbing.

I can see purchases might take more planning on the Buyer's end of things but then we just don't know how safe we should or could be.

Whilst I still do not believe bitcoinfog to be wholly effective when used on its own, I do recognize it is part of a larger and more sophisticated system to protect one's identity. The incident regarding the tracking of Sheep's funds was more to do with the fact the sheep owner did not observe several basic mixing good practices and the size of the bitcoin transactions. I will be posting a mixing guide sometime later today, perhaps after lunch or tomorrow depending on how much work needs to be done.
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Re: Does Silk Road have a tumbler?
« Reply #4 on: December 04, 2013, 12:47:44 pm »
It was very important to clear this up - totally agree that we need the highest protection available ;)
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Re: Does Silk Road have a tumbler?
« Reply #5 on: December 04, 2013, 12:48:15 pm »
Great news! Thanks for clearing that up Bob!

Ok what did I miss? why is everyone calling DPR Bob all of a sudden? I smell the coachella's handiwork, am I right?
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Re: Does Silk Road have a tumbler?
« Reply #6 on: December 04, 2013, 12:50:41 pm »
Thanks for the clarification.

The recent btc tumbler (bitcoin fog) posts are rather disturbing.

I can see purchases might take more planning on the Buyer's end of things but then we just don't know how safe we should or could be.

Whilst I still do not believe bitcoinfog to be wholly effective when used on its own, I do recognize it is part of a larger and more sophisticated system to protect one's identity. The incident regarding the tracking of Sheep's funds was more to do with the fact the sheep owner did not observe several basic mixing good practices and the size of the bitcoin transactions. I will be posting a mixing guide sometime later today, perhaps after lunch or tomorrow depending on how much work needs to be done.

Thank you Sir.

We could really use a guide.

In that way some of us can help other buyers spread across markets as well. If we have any other markets of course. The SR-BMR split really hurt me in some ways because it really divided the markets for me though I am finding new vendors here who deserve that kind of loyalty. I do not mess around and do my best.

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Re: Does Silk Road have a tumbler?
« Reply #7 on: December 04, 2013, 12:52:32 pm »
Great news! Thanks for clearing that up Bob!

Ok what did I miss? why is everyone calling DPR Bob all of a sudden? I smell the coachella's handiwork, am I right?

Because hes good ole friendly Bob thats all!
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Re: Does Silk Road have a tumbler?
« Reply #8 on: December 04, 2013, 01:06:22 pm »
Great news! Thanks for clearing that up Bob!

Ok what did I miss? why is everyone calling DPR Bob all of a sudden? I smell the coachella's handiwork, am I right?

Because hes good ole friendly Bob thats all!

I like DPR but I guess he might seem like Bob to me.

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Re: Does Silk Road have a tumbler?
« Reply #9 on: December 04, 2013, 02:11:37 pm »
Thanks for the clarification.

The recent btc tumbler (bitcoin fog) posts are rather disturbing.

I can see purchases might take more planning on the Buyer's end of things but then we just don't know how safe we should or could be.

What has been going on with Bitfog?
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Re: Does Silk Road have a tumbler?
« Reply #10 on: December 04, 2013, 03:05:55 pm »
So does this tumbling system in any way protect buyers, or is it only to help hide the identity of vendors?

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Re: Does Silk Road have a tumbler?
« Reply #11 on: December 04, 2013, 04:15:05 pm »
Should probably sticky this. I've seen a lot of people thinking they're not tumbled.

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Re: Does Silk Road have a tumbler?
« Reply #12 on: December 04, 2013, 04:38:47 pm »
Hey is there a way of getting brand new deposit addresses? I see that I now have  5 different addresses but once I have used them all I'd like to get 5 new ones, do they automatically refresh once they've been used or do I press something? Or is that feature still on its way?
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« Reply #13 on: December 04, 2013, 04:54:56 pm »
Thanks Bob!

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Re: Does Silk Road have a tumbler?
« Reply #14 on: December 04, 2013, 05:03:49 pm »
Great news! Thanks for clearing that up Bob!

Ok what did I miss? why is everyone calling DPR Bob all of a sudden? I smell the coachella's handiwork, am I right?

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« Reply #15 on: December 04, 2013, 05:07:26 pm »
Bob answering his own questions?
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« Reply #16 on: December 04, 2013, 05:09:21 pm »
Yeah should be stickied, also thanks for clearing the fog around this question.
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« Reply #17 on: December 04, 2013, 05:13:36 pm »
Yeah should be stickied, also thanks for clearing the fog around this question.
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« Reply #18 on: December 04, 2013, 05:39:05 pm »
Yeah should be stickied, also thanks for clearing the fog around this question.


Agree 100%

I  had no idea there was a tumbler. I was under the impression that there was absolutely NO tumbler actually.

This should be stikied as i imagine there are many like me. This is good news :)
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Re: Does Silk Road have a tumbler?
« Reply #19 on: December 04, 2013, 06:01:21 pm »
Thanks for clarifying the state of BTC tumbling. I'd still recommend everyone should be using their own techniques of mixing/coinjoin on top of the site's tumbling whenever converting into the darknet or out of it.

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« Reply #20 on: December 04, 2013, 06:14:24 pm »
so let me understand this right if withdrawing btc from SR to say my blockchain wallet i then need to tumble it into another blockchain wallet before selling the btc also when depositing just do the same but in reverse is this the right way of doing things?
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« Reply #21 on: December 04, 2013, 06:42:07 pm »
So there is no need to do something with coins before sending it on SR?
I've thought that I must use bitcoinfog or something like that.
So if I'll buy bitcoins on some site I can send it directly from its wallet to my SR deposit wallet, am I right?
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« Reply #22 on: December 05, 2013, 12:07:12 am »
So there is no need to do something with coins before sending it on SR?
I've thought that I must use bitcoinfog or something like that.
So if I'll buy bitcoins on some site I can send it directly from its wallet to my SR deposit wallet, am I right?
Thanks for clarification.

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