The Silk Road and its relationship to traditional organized crime groups

[DextroShade]

I have always wondered how much the more traditional drug distributing entities such as the mafia or the cartels actually know about the Silk Road and other deep web markets.  Are they even aware of its existence?  If they are, do they see it as competition to be eliminated or a new market for their products?  Does the cartel know about the vendors here selling the blow that they manufactured online?  Could there be a partnership between the mob and the Silk Road in the future?

[Jack N Hoff]

You are talking about completely different levels of distribution.

[DextroShade]

What levels exactly?  I've seen people selling cocaine by the kilo as well as other large quantities.  Granted, I suppose there is a limit to what can be snet in the mail.  But these are still legitimate questions to satisfy my curiosity.

[Jack N Hoff]

Cartels do not even sell single kilograms.  They charge a small fraction of what you would pay on here and they sell a minimum of several hundreds of kilograms at a time minimum.  Completely different levels of distribution.  Neither of which are stepping on each others toes.

[r0guebubbles]

Uhm, I'm not saying anything but where I'm from here, there is the camorra, and lots of others of what you call "organized" crime. Still, I think it's funny that the americans think they own the cocaine or opium trade. The average american doesn't get further than some meth, crack cocaine or some other sell made shit.
Let's get real. The gold doesn't come from meth labs or coke business in south america anymore.
If you know what I'm talking about, than you know what makes people rich these days, and it's not your dumb cartels, which dont bother me anyway here.

[evil99]

Uhm, I'm not saying anything but where I'm from here, there is the camorra, and lots of others of what you call "organized" crime. Still, I think it's funny that the americans think they own the cocaine or opium trade. The average american doesn't get further than some meth, crack cocaine or some other sell made shit.
Let's get real. The gold doesn't come from meth labs or coke business in south america anymore.
If you know what I'm talking about, than you know what makes people rich these days, and it's not your dumb cartels, which dont bother me anyway here.

Unfortunately Americans are blinded by whatever Hollywood can make them believe.

[Dread Pirate Roberts]

SilkRoad will not work with violent organizations, I have made this clear from the start and therefore I will enter no pact or agreement with cartels or other groups who use fear and violence to further themselves. Who knows however, hopefully the growers of many drugs will find SilkRoad to obtain a fairer price for their crops rather than being intimidated to accept the lowest wage possible by the large organized crime groups.

[x_syndicate]

SilkRoad will not work with violent organizations, I have made this clear from the start and therefore I will enter no pact or agreement with cartels or other groups who use fear and violence to further themselves. Who knows however, hopefully the growers of many drugs will find SilkRoad to obtain a fairer price for their crops rather than being intimidated to accept the lowest wage possible by the large organized crime groups.

I think that "fair trade" drugs via the SR would be an excellent development in the drug trade. Poor farmers and manufacturers are coerced into selling their products way below actual market price and comparatively don't make shit compared to the organized thugs intimidating everyone involved in the process.  If somehow the poor farmers and such could cut out the middle man without any retribution in return...

[Shaggy Shaman]

Love the "fair trade" idea linked to SR!

As a grower, i can get behind it 100%

SS

[Sir William Wonka]

Mexican drug cartels are using vertical integration to take over the drug trade inside the US.  If you think they are not on here you must be on drugs.

[Kvothe]

Uhm, I'm not saying anything but where I'm from here, there is the camorra, and lots of others of what you call "organized" crime. Still, I think it's funny that the americans think they own the cocaine or opium trade. The average american doesn't get further than some meth, crack cocaine or some other sell made shit.
Let's get real. The gold doesn't come from meth labs or coke business in south america anymore.
If you know what I'm talking about, than you know what makes people rich these days, and it's not your dumb cartels, which dont bother me anyway here.

Camorra is based in Naples, no? By the way, I wonder if that was the Mafia italiano bought his coke from

[r0guebubbles]

Uhm, I'm not saying anything but where I'm from here, there is the camorra, and lots of others of what you call "organized" crime. Still, I think it's funny that the americans think they own the cocaine or opium trade. The average american doesn't get further than some meth, crack cocaine or some other sell made shit.
Let's get real. The gold doesn't come from meth labs or coke business in south america anymore.
If you know what I'm talking about, than you know what makes people rich these days, and it's not your dumb cartels, which dont bother me anyway here.

Camorra is based in Naples, no? By the way, I wonder if that was the Mafia italiano bought his coke from

It's not just coke. It's stuff that comes from afghanistan. I forgot the name! Sorry!

[Sir William Wonka]

bubbles just deleted a bitchy sarcastic post asking if we know about a country called afghanistan

To answer your question: No i have never heard of it.  It sounds like you made it up..... boom sarcasm

[r0guebubbles]

bubbles just deleted a bitchy sarcastic post asking if we know about a country called afghanistan

To answer your question: No i have never heard of it.  It sounds like you made it up..... boom sarcasm

don't take my attitude so personally :p

tashakor bacha! made that up too

[Sir William Wonka]

bubbles just deleted a bitchy sarcastic post asking if we know about a country called afghanistan

To answer your question: No i have never heard of it.  It sounds like you made it up..... boom sarcasm

don't take my attitude so personally :p

Im just fuckin around and yes y fix would be quite pleasant.

Back to the topic of OC Mexican cartels are much more violent than the Italian mafia... even the ones in Italy.  They have more money and more people and oh yeah military weapons and oh yeah military personnel.  For years Juarez was the worlds murder capital.  The cartels own everything from panama to canada in terms of drugs and have major cells in Africa, Europe and everywhere else cocaine is sold.

[r0guebubbles]

Sweety, i know, chainsaws and stuff, def. more violent.  I do read the news once in a while, that's why I try not to mess with them. And just to make it clear, i'm no camorrista. Just because I own a vespa doesn't make a drug dealer right?

And indeed back to mexican cartels, the zetas for example. They scare the crap out of me. The good old colombian days are long gone. Oh well, good thing I live far away :p

[Kvothe]

Uhm, I'm not saying anything but where I'm from here, there is the camorra, and lots of others of what you call "organized" crime. Still, I think it's funny that the americans think they own the cocaine or opium trade. The average american doesn't get further than some meth, crack cocaine or some other sell made shit.
Let's get real. The gold doesn't come from meth labs or coke business in south america anymore.
If you know what I'm talking about, than you know what makes people rich these days, and it's not your dumb cartels, which dont bother me anyway here.

Camorra is based in Naples, no? By the way, I wonder if that was the Mafia italiano bought his coke from

It's not just coke. It's stuff that comes from afghanistan. I forgot the name! Sorry!

I know that they also sell H. I was just wondering if Camorra was the Mafia Italiano got his coke from as he said it bought it from a Mafia in Naples...

Hmm, but I don't really see what you talking about H has to do with me talking about C. Well maybe my fault for going Off topic.

[Sir William Wonka]

Sweety, i know, chainsaws and stuff, def. more violent.  I do read the news once in a while, that's why I try not to mess with them. And just to make it clear, i'm no camorrista. Just because I own a vespa doesn't make a drug dealer right?

I don't know about drug dealer but I think owning a vespa qualifies you as a hipster.

[r0guebubbles]

Uhm, I'm not saying anything but where I'm from here, there is the camorra, and lots of others of what you call "organized" crime. Still, I think it's funny that the americans think they own the cocaine or opium trade. The average american doesn't get further than some meth, crack cocaine or some other sell made shit.
Let's get real. The gold doesn't come from meth labs or coke business in south america anymore.
If you know what I'm talking about, than you know what makes people rich these days, and it's not your dumb cartels, which dont bother me anyway here.

Camorra is based in Naples, no? By the way, I wonder if that was the Mafia italiano bought his coke from

It's not just coke. It's stuff that comes from afghanistan. I forgot the name! Sorry!

I know that they also sell H. I was just wondering if Camorra was the Mafia Italiano got his coke from as he said it bought it from a Mafia in Naples...

Hmm, but I don't really see what you talking about H has to do with me talking about C. Well maybe my fault for going Off topic.

No worries kvothe. Just typing up stuff. Nothing personal. Seem to have to repeat that quite often here. Must be the quality of their dope

[Sir William Wonka]

Uhm, I'm not saying anything but where I'm from here, there is the camorra, and lots of others of what you call "organized" crime. Still, I think it's funny that the americans think they own the cocaine or opium trade. The average american doesn't get further than some meth, crack cocaine or some other sell made shit.
Let's get real. The gold doesn't come from meth labs or coke business in south america anymore.
If you know what I'm talking about, than you know what makes people rich these days, and it's not your dumb cartels, which dont bother me anyway here.

Camorra is based in Naples, no? By the way, I wonder if that was the Mafia italiano bought his coke from

It's not just coke. It's stuff that comes from afghanistan. I forgot the name! Sorry!

I know that they also sell H. I was just wondering if Camorra was the Mafia Italiano got his coke from as he said it bought it from a Mafia in Naples...

Hmm, but I don't really see what you talking about H has to do with me talking about C. Well maybe my fault for going Off topic.

No worries kvothe. Just typing up stuff. Nothing personal. Seem to have to repeat that quite often here. Must be the quality of their dope

I think its just the nature of internet chat boards.  Espc tor.

[r0guebubbles]

Sweety, i know, chainsaws and stuff, def. more violent.  I do read the news once in a while, that's why I try not to mess with them. And just to make it clear, i'm no camorrista. Just because I own a vespa doesn't make a drug dealer right?

I don't know about drug dealer but I think owning a vespa qualifies you as a hipster.

lol, culture, it's a funny thing. Maybe I should have had a nickname that said hipster lol

[r0guebubbles]

Uhm, I'm not saying anything but where I'm from here, there is the camorra, and lots of others of what you call "organized" crime. Still, I think it's funny that the americans think they own the cocaine or opium trade. The average american doesn't get further than some meth, crack cocaine or some other sell made shit.
Let's get real. The gold doesn't come from meth labs or coke business in south america anymore.
If you know what I'm talking about, than you know what makes people rich these days, and it's not your dumb cartels, which dont bother me anyway here.

Camorra is based in Naples, no? By the way, I wonder if that was the Mafia italiano bought his coke from

It's not just coke. It's stuff that comes from afghanistan. I forgot the name! Sorry!

I know that they also sell H. I was just wondering if Camorra was the Mafia Italiano got his coke from as he said it bought it from a Mafia in Naples...

Hmm, but I don't really see what you talking about H has to do with me talking about C. Well maybe my fault for going Off topic.

No worries kvothe. Just typing up stuff. Nothing personal. Seem to have to repeat that quite often here. Must be the quality of their dope

I think its just the nature of internet chat boards.  Espc tor.

It sounds like 4chan on protein shakes, but it's all okayzzz

[Sir William Wonka]

Sweety, i know, chainsaws and stuff, def. more violent.  I do read the news once in a while, that's why I try not to mess with them. And just to make it clear, i'm no camorrista. Just because I own a vespa doesn't make a drug dealer right?

I don't know about drug dealer but I think owning a vespa qualifies you as a hipster.

lol, culture, it's a funny thing. Maybe I should have had a nickname that said hipster lol

You could put it under personal text or whatever in ur profile.  Like my shitty titty jelly belly

[FriendOfTheDevil]

SilkRoad will not work with violent organizations, I have made this clear from the start and therefore I will enter no pact or agreement with cartels or other groups who use fear and violence to further themselves.

That means no working with LE allowed

[DrMDA]

Mexican drug cartels are using vertical integration to take over the drug trade inside the US.  If you think they are not on here you must be on drugs.

My friend runs meth into the US for the Sinaola cartel. He would have no interest in this site. And he is only doing a dozen keys at a time which makes him a small timer.

[Naughty Dogg]

SilkRoad will not work with violent organizations, I have made this clear from the start and therefore I will enter no pact or agreement with cartels or other groups who use fear and violence to further themselves. Who knows however, hopefully the growers of many drugs will find SilkRoad to obtain a fairer price for their crops rather than being intimidated to accept the lowest wage possible by the large organized crime groups.

Thumbs up.

[Prop Joe]

I'm sure some of the high volume sellers for  coke would be buying from organised criminal groups. ,  I reckon alot of the sellers here are people out on their own, just people with good connects. Low to mid level people can earn serious money.  You have to put in a lot more work but I reckon the like of Frank's Matthews is making as much as the cartels once the product is broken down and sold.

[yaggayo]

nice to see everyone here is still in contact with their local crime organizations, i started to worry for them to go out of business due to silk road 

[Joaquin El Chapo Guzman]

It is a new market for us and we are heavily invested into bitcoins.

[Shaggy Shaman]

^^^^^LOL

SS

[Mr.X]

The vendor "italianmafiabrussels" claims to be a group of italian men from an organized crime group. According to DPR, their vendor status should be revoked then?

[r0guebubbles]

The vendor "italianmafiabrussels" claims to be a group of italian men from an organized crime group. According to DPR, their vendor status should be revoked then?

I understand the point you are trying to make but i hope not uhmz

[Mr.X]

yea me either. idc where the drugs come from as long as i get them haha. preferably nonviolent groups

[Sir William Wonka]

The vendor "italianmafiabrussels" claims to be a group of italian men from an organized crime group. According to DPR, their vendor status should be revoked then?

I understand the point you are trying to make but i hope not uhmz

haha ur personal text may be better than mine bubbles

[Captain Jack]

Ice ICe Ice the vendor from Australia  is well connected organised and the largest meth distrubter in Australia, it would not be SR best interest to ban such vendors, Sr profits to much from the meth industry, and reading past forum posts has a lot of trouble with meth heads .

give what you get seams to be the best action at present 

[DrMDA]

It is a new market for us and we are heavily invested into bitcoins.

FYI: El Chapo actually isn't even the head of the cartel, their fat banker is. I would assume the DEA knows this even though it seems as if they don't.

[besam191]

It is a new market for us and we are heavily invested into bitcoins.

lol yeah right, how are we supposed to know if youre telling the truth? if you were a vendor id be more inclined to believe you

on one market one BTH vendor claimed his gear came from the sinaloa cartel in the southwest like Phoenix area

[Sir William Wonka]

It is a new market for us and we are heavily invested into bitcoins.

lol yeah right, how are we supposed to know if youre telling the truth? if you were a vendor id be more inclined to believe you

on one market one BTH vendor claimed his gear came from the sinaloa cartel in the southwest like Phoenix area

That is typically one of the major suppliers of black tar heroin.

[jakeyblues1987]

I wish I had connections to the mob or mafia..................

[DrMDA]

I wish I had connections to the mob or mafia..................

No you don't. They are retards or sociopaths or both.

[Joaquin El Chapo Guzman]

For your information, we aren't that organized, I can hardly ever find my car keys in my room what with all these stacks of Benjamins laying around...

[SmokesHisBroccoli]

I'm pretty sure I ordered some Xanax from the original SR that came straight from Mexico 

[r0guebubbles]

I wish I had connections to the mob or mafia..................

I don't think so... unless you may have some kind of death wish

[Falconetti]

I noticed that Danish Bandidos MC had an account on the former........hmm, Expencive Market but very next day they where gone.
Maybe a little bird whispered what was about to happen?

[Switchblade]

Yes but their better people than you'd think.
*Edit: Good for being on the run and avoiding the system.

*Edit2: I'd like to clear up a few things for you guys that seem to have some idea that you know how this shit works. As its been said a few times, they move literally TONS. Not kilos, tons. Tons of kilos, even. To the person saying they must get shipments of 10 or so kilos mailed, no...the Cartels are the source they don't need to go buy shit. Also, drugs that really do come from them are actually very high quality 9x of 10.

I know this because I have spent the majority of my life in a border town and only have ever used SR/BMR etc for Psychedelics as their harder to find in the area but I've never seen bud online that is of higher quality than I can get locally, and no I'm not in a medical state either. Another thing I can tell you is that the Mexican cartel war is right outside, and its really more like the people vs the government. I won't get to specific, but the people I've affiliated with are actually generally very good people. Theres good and bad people everywhere, but part of why I like SR so much is that my "friends" have a very similar mentality to what is generally apparent here.

Sorry but it begins to offend me when people talk down on these guys, nobodies perfect but many of them are much better than many of you. Most my friends I know for a fact I can trust with my life because they've proven it before, such as by taking a gun out of someones hand and bashing their head in with it. I can also tell you that they don't go after people who aren't asking for it. If your an average person wanting drugs from these people you can expect to be fucked over because they have no reason to respect you, and chances are you look like a retard to them. If you talk shit, you steal, you snitch, your a cop...your asking for it.

Last thing I feel I should mention, is that my home town is in the middle of a war between the Sinaloa & Los Zetas, as far as cartels go. Also in the middle of eMe/Sur13 vs Norte fags and Aryan Brotherhood vs well everyone except themselves and eMe lol and the list goes on. Yet, no one realizes it when they pass through for whatever reason or even people who have lived in the area a very long time. My two main points here is that their (for the most part) far more intelligent and good hearted strongly willed loving caring people than your average person, and that when it comes down to it all these wars between organizations was initiated by the governments of the world, which is obvious on the front lines. All in all, go look at some reports on people living under cartels, as in literally areas completely controlled by them. Most will tell you its much better but they hate the police because they raid people without just cause among other bullshit that government agents do. Oh and for the psychedelic users in here, they are actually (mainly) more highly evolved than the average person, such as you most likely are, and keep in mind that one of the aforementioned organizations had banned drive-bys, will kill their own people for hurting innocents etc etc etc and are deeply rooted in Aztec and Mayan culture. Think about it

[cactuschomper]

SilkRoad will not work with violent organizations, I have made this clear from the start and therefore I will enter no pact or agreement with cartels or other groups who use fear and violence to further themselves. Who knows however, hopefully the growers of many drugs will find SilkRoad to obtain a fairer price for their crops rather than being intimidated to accept the lowest wage possible by the large organized crime groups.

What a great guy! Enabling honest hard working people to make a premium on a commodity they work hard to safely provide. Everyone is winning! Silkroad brings order to the chaos of the cartel run world. Sure it's not the main supply the cartels or "mafias" do a billion times more biz than SR. But who cares, this is a movement that is a great cause. All of this is possible thanks to guys like DPR, once again my infinite thanks and praise sir may you live long and prosper

[RealTrapN]

ya nigga now come to detroit or flint michigan we show you how murder is done.

juarez is a good taco spot afaik nigga

anyways. i feel like cartels and huge organized groups get HUGE shipments of drugs, like 10 kilos + at least. And I don't think its shipped vi a service but shipped via freight (cargo ships/private airplanes).

US military C-130s importing Afghan Heroin anyone?

[ENP]

I wish I had connections to the mob or mafia..................

No you don't. They are retards or sociopaths or both.

+1
It's best they don't even know who you are, let alone be connected to them.

[Eduardo]

With as in tuned as the cartels on a global scale have been, I would not be surprised if they had several vendor accounts on all marketplaces. 
They are always looking for new innovative ways to distribute and market their goods, why would they pass up the deep web?
Submarines, RC planes, underground rail roads, counter cyber intelligence, etc.  They're with it.

[ENP]

With as in tuned as the cartels on a global scale have been, I would not be surprised if they had several vendor accounts on all marketplaces. 
They are always looking for new innovative ways to distribute and market their goods, why would they pass up the deep web?
Submarines, RC planes, underground rail roads, counter cyber intelligence, etc.  They're with it.

Look at the listings on the markets for things like meth and coke; you only see a few kilos tops. Yeah they're with it but they're not going to waste their time being with it to sell 8-balls to college kids on the deep web. That's not where cartels get their money.

[Eduardo]

I love how no longer do you have to find the "in" crowd, or go through hell and earth to find an awesome connect. 
Here all it takes is doing a lot of reading of who is legit, and go forth. 

[ENP]

I love how no longer do you have to find the "in" crowd, or go through hell and earth to find an awesome connect. 
Here all it takes is doing a lot of reading of who is legit, and go forth.

The beauty of the dark net. 

[parabol]

If only Walter White knew about Silk Road...

[muffintop]

If only Walter White knew about Silk Road...

It would never have quenched his appetite for power.

[nyx]

See you seem to forget everyone is equal in the eyes of the DEA,I would like you all to keep in mind that money off of drugs comes from selling the least for the most. When the nigger sits and sells crack he slice the cookie into squares and breaks them off like that 10 20 30 piece. As someone who wouldent mind ya know the large organizations back because people see a pill on tumblr or soemthing and some teenyboper says something and the next thing you know you have one of your closest people trying to lowball you when they know you need money. So back to the topic at hand, There needs to be sooo much more hush hush and seriousness about SR drugs in the mail.

[bbkf]

See you seem to forget everyone is equal in the eyes of the DEA,I would like you all to keep in mind that money off of drugs comes from selling the least for the most. When the nigger sits and sells crack he slice the cookie into squares and breaks them off like that 10 20 30 piece. As someone who wouldent mind ya know the large organizations back because people see a pill on tumblr or soemthing and some teenyboper says something and the next thing you know you have one of your closest people trying to lowball you when they know you need money. So back to the topic at hand, There needs to be sooo much more hush hush and seriousness about SR drugs in the mail.

That's just not true. The US Army is and has been for many years the largest transporter of Heroin in the world. This was common knowledge before the Frank Matthews movie.
During peacetime Berlin was the big hub. I got a guy who knows a guy. Actually a buddy of mine is doing hard time in Leavenworth for things like packing Jeep tires full of smack. There's a member on Bluelight as well who is part of the US Army Germany Cartel, they have some of the best drug smuggling stories in the world

[RoyalOil]

Mexican drug cartels are using vertical integration to take over the drug trade inside the US.  If you think they are not on here you must be on drugs.

This. They are definitely on here. If not the Mexicans, there are some other organized syndicates operating.

DPR states he doesn't allow "violent" organizations to operate on here. But this is the 21st Century. They have PR people and marketing people that know how to work the online system. They could easily operate undetected on here without getting violent or belligerent

anyways. i feel like cartels and huge organized groups get HUGE shipments of drugs, like 10 kilos + at least. And I don't think its shipped vi a service but shipped via freight (cargo ships/private airplanes).

US military C-130s importing Afghan Heroin anyone?

They are moving 100+ kilos at a time maybe. And they are doing it with their own distribution networks. Tunnels, planes, boats, etc. They even have kidnapped telecomm technicians to build their own cellular network in Mexico.

And I definitely believe the US Gov't. is a big player in the H game. The president makes an announcement of troops coming home, BOOM huge surge in US heroin.

~RO

[BobtheBuilder]

Why wouldn't they have a presence on SR? If you were a violent enterprise you would coerce someone(s) to set up shop and sell their kilos at street value instead of dumping them off at distribution price. For a lot less risk and an increased distance from the buyer it just makes sense to at least do part of your business that way.

You know all those police busts of "$1.3mil in drugs confiscated" headlines? That's always at street value. We as a community know it's bullshit. So when you don't have to develop the distribution network, and can also get your hands on large quantities at at time, because that's what SR is, a giant distribution hub, you can become your own little quiet drug lord and rake it in 1-10g at a time. Now those pounds of 'insert-drug-here' when seized from a SR vendors house become much more realistic to the price we read about.

A little off topic but I like to follow trends in the drug trade to see where things are moving...

"Miami police reports show Molly was confiscated and submitted for testing 207 times in 2011. Of those tests, 190 substances contained MDMA, while only 17 contained methylone. By 2012, the police confiscations were up to 337, a 63 percent increase. Testing showed 278 samples contained methylone and 59 contained MDMA."

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/03/12/3281778/police-expect-club-drug-molly.html#storylink=cpy

^^^That is the work of cartels. Cut costs and use your well developed distribution networks to increase profits and monopolize markets. I don't think the story of the connection between methylone and MDMA (ecstasy) is told enough. "Molly" is taking the US by storm, I know very few people who aren't at least interested in trying it if not already have. Cartels sort that shit out real fast.

[AbraxasRiseth]

Cartels do not even sell single kilograms.  They charge a small fraction of what you would pay on here and they sell a minimum of several hundreds of kilograms at a time minimum.  Completely different levels of distribution.  Neither of which are stepping on each others toes.

How do you know so much about this Jack? Or should I say... DON JACK?!

[AbraxasRiseth]

I love how no longer do you have to find the "in" crowd, or go through hell and earth to find an awesome connect. 
Here all it takes is doing a lot of reading of who is legit, and go forth.

Yeah that's the beautiful thing here. I've only been smoking weed and doing other drugs for like 3-4 years now and I'm in my late twenties. I never got into it when I was younger. But a huge problem I've been having is finding the stuff in first place. I always joked that I have a "drug problem" which is I can't actually find drugs. And it seemed like the people who had them liked being all elistist and exclusive about it.  Like I would hit up a friend to hang out and they would suddenly be all shady and reclusive... Well we hang out two days later and I get an ear full about how awesome their LSD trip was and I just wasn't invited because I wasn't the one who brought the stuff or whatever shit reason they'd give me. I've been unemployed for a long time so that contributed to it to "Oh dude we would of invited you but we didn't know if you could afford it" Bull. Shit.

Which is why when I finally got my first order from the dark web last month, weed from Sheep, (I was too late to order from the original SR... by too late I mean I finally finally finally got money and bitcoins after knowing about the road for two years and being too broke to take advantage of it. The week I funded my account -- it was the weekend before Black Wednesday when the site went down) I didn't let a single fucking soul know I had what was probably the best weed I've ever bought and probably would of been the best weed anyone around here would of ever seen.

I'm going to eventually share with my friends but I've got this dark side in me that's still bitter about them and everyone else acting like I wasn't worthy of getting their dealers number or something. AND I USED TO BE A DEALER MYSELF. Which is the weird part of it all. For a couple months I was the one who was in the know and hooking everyone up. But the shit I was dealing was mid grade weed. Nothing like I've seen from the Road/Dark Net. If I had Silk Road back then it would of been glorious. 

[Angel Eyes]

The thing is, the street level guys and the guys just above them who would potentially sell on SR probably don't do too much of it because the market is too transparent.  Just think of how much they cut their coke and heroin, and how crap their weed is.  If they started selling that shit on SR they'd get hosed in the comments.  They don't want to sell a good product at a fair price, the want to sell a shit product at a high price.  They have no ethics, why would they flock to a place with ethics?

[PureO]

Cartels do not even sell single kilograms.  They charge a small fraction of what you would pay on here and they sell a minimum of several hundreds of kilograms at a time minimum.  Completely different levels of distribution.  Neither of which are stepping on each others toes.

Jack,  if you are under the impression Triads are not in the  business of moving around raw pharmaceutical starters (aka the stuff you sell) you are gravely mistaken.

They are no means a "cartel" or even a structure like the mafia, yakuza, the Mexican mob, or "organized crime."

[Jack N Hoff]

Cartels do not even sell single kilograms.  They charge a small fraction of what you would pay on here and they sell a minimum of several hundreds of kilograms at a time minimum.  Completely different levels of distribution.  Neither of which are stepping on each others toes.

Jack,  if you are under the impression Triads are not in the  business of moving around raw pharmaceutical starters (aka the stuff you sell) you are gravely mistaken.

They are no means a "cartel" or even a structure like the mafia, yakuza, the Mexican mob, or "organized crime."

Okay you got me there...  They do have their hands i the manufacturing of chemicals such as I sell in Asia.  It's low level distributors, dealers and middle men selling such chemicals on Silk Road though.  If you are getting it from the high level people then you are purchasing hundreds of kilograms at a time locally and not through the post.

[Hiniguel]

Why wouldn't they have a presence on SR? If you were a violent enterprise you would coerce someone(s) to set up shop and sell their kilos at street value instead of dumping them off at distribution price. For a lot less risk and an increased distance from the buyer it just makes sense to at least do part of your business that way.

You know all those police busts of "$1.3mil in drugs confiscated" headlines? That's always at street value. We as a community know it's bullshit. So when you don't have to develop the distribution network, and can also get your hands on large quantities at at time, because that's what SR is, a giant distribution hub, you can become your own little quiet drug lord and rake it in 1-10g at a time. Now those pounds of 'insert-drug-here' when seized from a SR vendors house become much more realistic to the price we read about.

A little off topic but I like to follow trends in the drug trade to see where things are moving...

"Miami police reports show Molly was confiscated and submitted for testing 207 times in 2011. Of those tests, 190 substances contained MDMA, while only 17 contained methylone. By 2012, the police confiscations were up to 337, a 63 percent increase. Testing showed 278 samples contained methylone and 59 contained MDMA."

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/03/12/3281778/police-expect-club-drug-molly.html#storylink=cpy

^^^That is the work of cartels. Cut costs and use your well developed distribution networks to increase profits and monopolize markets. I don't think the story of the connection between methylone and MDMA (ecstasy) is told enough. "Molly" is taking the US by storm, I know very few people who aren't at least interested in trying it if not already have. Cartels sort that shit out real fast.

The cartels are sorting it out - but they are shifting Methylone instead because its much, much cheaper and 90% of the people don't know the difference.

[Hiniguel]

Cartels do not even sell single kilograms.  They charge a small fraction of what you would pay on here and they sell a minimum of several hundreds of kilograms at a time minimum.  Completely different levels of distribution.  Neither of which are stepping on each others toes.

Jack,  if you are under the impression Triads are not in the  business of moving around raw pharmaceutical starters (aka the stuff you sell) you are gravely mistaken.

They are no means a "cartel" or even a structure like the mafia, yakuza, the Mexican mob, or "organized crime."

Okay you got me there...  They do have their hands i the manufacturing of chemicals such as I sell in Asia.  It's low level distributors, dealers and middle men selling such chemicals on Silk Road though.  If you are getting it from the high level people then you are purchasing hundreds of kilograms at a time locally and not through the post.

Exactly Jack, does this guy seem to think you are moving cartel amounts of your product or something?

I know Jack sells alot. A lot for an internet vendor anyway.. but that is probably not even 1-2% of what an organized crime group are doing.

WE (SR) as a whole are nothing in terms of the drug trade. We are just targeted so much because we make it easy for users to get personal amounts of drugs through the postal service (often government run) and that makes them look like fools.



BUT... I'm sure Jack said he does a lot of work off site as well. His avi shows Bill clinton with a ripped face. A ripped face would scar. So, Jack has a scared face.

Who else had a scared face? Tony Montana....Jack is scarface. 


Mind blown.

[PureO]

Cartels do not even sell single kilograms.  They charge a small fraction of what you would pay on here and they sell a minimum of several hundreds of kilograms at a time minimum.  Completely different levels of distribution.  Neither of which are stepping on each others toes.

Jack,  if you are under the impression Triads are not in the  business of moving around raw pharmaceutical starters (aka the stuff you sell) you are gravely mistaken.

They are no means a "cartel" or even a structure like the mafia, yakuza, the Mexican mob, or "organized crime."

Okay you got me there...  They do have their hands i the manufacturing of chemicals such as I sell in Asia.  It's low level distributors, dealers and middle men selling such chemicals on Silk Road though.  If you are getting it from the high level people then you are purchasing hundreds of kilograms at a time locally and not through the post.

Again, not exactly the case.  Organized Crime there is actually licensed businesses and corporations with government official connections. They can get paperwork, the stamps, the post office customs clearance to ship research chemicals to non-research facilities and people.

There is no set recourse to fucking over one of these type...however if their sponsor working in the government feels that their neck is on the line expect bad things to happen. 

Macau (who has 5-6 times the revenue of Las Vegas) hotel/casino operators trying to get Nevada Gaming licenses for years, non have successfully done so because EVERY applicant (no matter how clean they appeared to be) has been found to have connections with organized crime. The same is true for the Japanese in the 1980's.  As Japanese were coming over to the USA and buying up any neighborhoods and corporations they could get their hands on (because of the inflated value of the Yen) HUNDREDS of applicants for gaming licenses were denied (even from corporations like Nintendo and Sony) because you can't find any individual or business that isn't tied to organized crime (in this case Yakuza).

I mention this because the idea of banning everything assocaited with organized crime on Silk Road is silly!!
Are we also going to ban every Japanese product here??  What about Chinese?? Hell, things that originated in Sicily or Russia also have to get on that list!!

[Jack N Hoff]

Cartels do not even sell single kilograms.  They charge a small fraction of what you would pay on here and they sell a minimum of several hundreds of kilograms at a time minimum.  Completely different levels of distribution.  Neither of which are stepping on each others toes.

Jack,  if you are under the impression Triads are not in the  business of moving around raw pharmaceutical starters (aka the stuff you sell) you are gravely mistaken.

They are no means a "cartel" or even a structure like the mafia, yakuza, the Mexican mob, or "organized crime."

Okay you got me there...  They do have their hands i the manufacturing of chemicals such as I sell in Asia.  It's low level distributors, dealers and middle men selling such chemicals on Silk Road though.  If you are getting it from the high level people then you are purchasing hundreds of kilograms at a time locally and not through the post.

Again, not exactly the case.  Organized Crime there is actually licensed businesses and corporations with government official connections. They can get paperwork, the stamps, the post office customs clearance to ship research chemicals to non-research facilities and people.

There is no set recourse to fucking over one of these type...however if their sponsor working in the government feels that their neck is on the line expect bad things to happen. 

Macau (who has 5-6 times the revenue of Las Vegas) hotel/casino operators trying to get Nevada Gaming licenses for years, non have successfully done so because EVERY applicant (no matter how clean they appeared to be) has been found to have connections with organized crime. The same is true for the Japanese in the 1980's.  As Japanese were coming over to the USA and buying up any neighborhoods and corporations they could get their hands on (because of the inflated value of the Yen) HUNDREDS of applicants for gaming licenses were denied (even from corporations like Nintendo and Sony) because you can't find any individual or business that isn't tied to organized crime (in this case Yakuza).

I mention this because the idea of banning everything assocaited with organized crime on Silk Road is silly!!
Are we also going to ban every Japanese product here??  What about Chinese?? Hell, things that originated in Sicily or Russia also have to get on that list!!

Does the person selling 25 cent lucies in the projects work for the big tobacco cooperation?  What about the man selling untaxed cartons out his trunk?  No they do not.  We're talking about two completely different levels of distribution here.  Silk Road deals in peanuts and cartels deal in the peanut farms.  No vendor here sells cartel volume.

[Hiniguel]

  No vendor here sells cartel volume.

Amen

[PureO]

Cartels do not even sell single kilograms.  They charge a small fraction of what you would pay on here and they sell a minimum of several hundreds of kilograms at a time minimum.  Completely different levels of distribution.  Neither of which are stepping on each others toes.

Jack,  if you are under the impression Triads are not in the  business of moving around raw pharmaceutical starters (aka the stuff you sell) you are gravely mistaken.

They are no means a "cartel" or even a structure like the mafia, yakuza, the Mexican mob, or "organized crime."

Okay you got me there...  They do have their hands i the manufacturing of chemicals such as I sell in Asia.  It's low level distributors, dealers and middle men selling such chemicals on Silk Road though.  If you are getting it from the high level people then you are purchasing hundreds of kilograms at a time locally and not through the post.

Again, not exactly the case.  Organized Crime there is actually licensed businesses and corporations with government official connections. They can get paperwork, the stamps, the post office customs clearance to ship research chemicals to non-research facilities and people.

There is no set recourse to fucking over one of these type...however if their sponsor working in the government feels that their neck is on the line expect bad things to happen. 

Macau (who has 5-6 times the revenue of Las Vegas) hotel/casino operators trying to get Nevada Gaming licenses for years, non have successfully done so because EVERY applicant (no matter how clean they appeared to be) has been found to have connections with organized crime. The same is true for the Japanese in the 1980's.  As Japanese were coming over to the USA and buying up any neighborhoods and corporations they could get their hands on (because of the inflated value of the Yen) HUNDREDS of applicants for gaming licenses were denied (even from corporations like Nintendo and Sony) because you can't find any individual or business that isn't tied to organized crime (in this case Yakuza).

I mention this because the idea of banning everything assocaited with organized crime on Silk Road is silly!!
Are we also going to ban every Japanese product here??  What about Chinese?? Hell, things that originated in Sicily or Russia also have to get on that list!!

Does the person selling 25 cent lucies in the projects work for the big tobacco cooperation?  What about the man selling untaxed cartons out his trunk?  No they do not.  We're talking about two completely different levels of distribution here.  Silk Road deals in peanuts and cartels deal in the peanut farms.  No vendor here sells cartel volume.

There have been vendors on here selling cartel size volumes on here- there was a new type of escrow introduced by DPR and Limetless for bulk sales 25 kilos and more.  I think this was before your time!!

Secondly, if vendor Oliver was telling the truth, he probably did sell over 10kilos of alprazolam powder combine that with his supplier googleyed (whom he later cut out of the equation) I am willing to bet they've moved at least a barrel (25 kilos) of powdered Xanax.

Lastly, if you are a lab in a University and legitimately purchasing Oxycodone or  Hydrocodone,  powder the prices are $2500-$3000 per gram. You don't need to move a kilo of that to have some attractive numbers for criminals to want to get involved.

Besides the majority of Research Chemicals come out of China and India. A couple of grams of some substances can be worth more than a years salary for average residents (where yearly wages range from $1600 in India and $5000 in China ).

[Jack N Hoff]

There have been vendors on here selling cartel size volumes on here- there was a new type of escrow introduced by DPR and Limetless for bulk sales 25 kilos and more.  I think this was before your time!!

Secondly, if vendor Oliver was telling the truth, he probably did sell over 10kilos of alprazolam powder combine that with his supplier googleyed (whom he later cut out of the equation) I am willing to bet they've moved at least a barrel (25 kilos) of powdered Xanax.

Lastly, if you are a lab in a University and legitimately purchasing Oxycodone or  Hydrocodone,  powder the prices are $2500-$3000 per gram. You don't need to move a kilo of that to have some attractive numbers for criminals to want to get involved.

Besides the majority of Research Chemicals come out of China and India. A couple of grams of some substances can be worth more than a years salary for average residents (where yearly wages range from $1600 in India and $5000 in China ).

That is not cartel volume.  I myself personally sell at least 50kg every week... 

10kg of alprazolam is worth about $12,000 USD max.  It costs no more than $2,000 USD a KF wholesale.

No doubt there are vendors making a lot of money.  Yes, more money than their country's yearly wage range every month.  I definitely fit into that category.  Still not cartel.

[RoyalOil]

There have been vendors on here selling cartel size volumes on here- there was a new type of escrow introduced by DPR and Limetless for bulk sales 25 kilos and more.  I think this was before your time!!

Secondly, if vendor Oliver was telling the truth, he probably did sell over 10kilos of alprazolam powder combine that with his supplier googleyed (whom he later cut out of the equation) I am willing to bet they've moved at least a barrel (25 kilos) of powdered Xanax.

Lastly, if you are a lab in a University and legitimately purchasing Oxycodone or  Hydrocodone,  powder the prices are $2500-$3000 per gram. You don't need to move a kilo of that to have some attractive numbers for criminals to want to get involved.

Besides the majority of Research Chemicals come out of China and India. A couple of grams of some substances can be worth more than a years salary for average residents (where yearly wages range from $1600 in India and $5000 in China ).

That is not cartel volume.  I myself personally sell at least 50kg every week... 

10kg of alprazolam is worth about $12,000 USD max.  It costs no more than $2,000 USD a KF wholesale.

No doubt there are vendors making a lot of money.  Yes, more money than their country's yearly wage range every month.  I definitely fit into that category.  Still not cartel.

I would have to agree with Jack on this one. Our customer base is totally different, but it's not uncommon for us to send out thousands of lbs every week/month. But the profit margin isn't the same in wholesale.

The vendors here are making more lb per lb than cartels, but they aren't making cartel money. A lofty week on here will fetch us maybe $8-10k USD. Not much for weight pushing, but killing it compared to a 9-5'r.

[EXIT]

The governments know that if drugs were no longer a crime to own or sell there would be very little reason for so many crime gangs to exist at all and the prison and military industrial complex as well as the politicians who use a tough on crime stance to get elected will be out of a job.

It is the governments that promote the crime by prohibiting something that people want and when you compare the insanity of today with the era of prohibition of alcohol it is a million times worse and far more profitable.

It is a business and if you make good money being a dealer and don't get caught before you stop well done but if you get caught you have to serve some time and they make money and then you get out and you make money again and the cycle goes on and on over the decades.

If drugs were legal there would be far less deaths and contrary to what government propagandists say drug use and addiction would dramatically decline.

If governments actually cared about people instead of exploiting them and creating modern day slavery they would legalize all drugs tomorrow and then use real education campaigns to tell people the truth about their effects.

Politicians have more blood on their hands than a million Pablo Escobars and they have to go!


The Sock Puppet

Couldn't agree more.

+1

[Herby]

I love how no longer do you have to find the "in" crowd, or go through hell and earth to find an awesome connect. 
Here all it takes is doing a lot of reading of who is legit, and go forth.

Yeah that's the beautiful thing here. I've only been smoking weed and doing other drugs for like 3-4 years now and I'm in my late twenties. I never got into it when I was younger. But a huge problem I've been having is finding the stuff in first place. I always joked that I have a "drug problem" which is I can't actually find drugs. And it seemed like the people who had them liked being all elistist and exclusive about it.  Like I would hit up a friend to hang out and they would suddenly be all shady and reclusive... Well we hang out two days later and I get an ear full about how awesome their LSD trip was and I just wasn't invited because I wasn't the one who brought the stuff or whatever shit reason they'd give me. I've been unemployed for a long time so that contributed to it to "Oh dude we would of invited you but we didn't know if you could afford it" Bull. Shit.

Which is why when I finally got my first order from the dark web last month, weed from Sheep, (I was too late to order from the original SR... by too late I mean I finally finally finally got money and bitcoins after knowing about the road for two years and being too broke to take advantage of it. The week I funded my account -- it was the weekend before Black Wednesday when the site went down) I didn't let a single fucking soul know I had what was probably the best weed I've ever bought and probably would of been the best weed anyone around here would of ever seen.

I'm going to eventually share with my friends but I've got this dark side in me that's still bitter about them and everyone else acting like I wasn't worthy of getting their dealers number or something. AND I USED TO BE A DEALER MYSELF. Which is the weird part of it all. For a couple months I was the one who was in the know and hooking everyone up. But the shit I was dealing was mid grade weed. Nothing like I've seen from the Road/Dark Net. If I had Silk Road back then it would of been glorious. 

Soooo... basically your saying your a non-productive member of society, havent had a job in a long time. and you wonder why people dont want to hang out with you and do drugs?? its cause your a loser dude... don't do drugs if your not working it only makes you more of a loser. sorry to be so harsh but its people like you who give "ALL" drug users a bad reputation.

[shashimartell]

I love how no longer do you have to find the "in" crowd, or go through hell and earth to find an awesome connect. 
Here all it takes is doing a lot of reading of who is legit, and go forth.

Yeah that's the beautiful thing here. I've only been smoking weed and doing other drugs for like 3-4 years now and I'm in my late twenties. I never got into it when I was younger. But a huge problem I've been having is finding the stuff in first place. I always joked that I have a "drug problem" which is I can't actually find drugs. And it seemed like the people who had them liked being all elistist and exclusive about it.  Like I would hit up a friend to hang out and they would suddenly be all shady and reclusive... Well we hang out two days later and I get an ear full about how awesome their LSD trip was and I just wasn't invited because I wasn't the one who brought the stuff or whatever shit reason they'd give me. I've been unemployed for a long time so that contributed to it to "Oh dude we would of invited you but we didn't know if you could afford it" Bull. Shit.

Which is why when I finally got my first order from the dark web last month, weed from Sheep, (I was too late to order from the original SR... by too late I mean I finally finally finally got money and bitcoins after knowing about the road for two years and being too broke to take advantage of it. The week I funded my account -- it was the weekend before Black Wednesday when the site went down) I didn't let a single fucking soul know I had what was probably the best weed I've ever bought and probably would of been the best weed anyone around here would of ever seen.

I'm going to eventually share with my friends but I've got this dark side in me that's still bitter about them and everyone else acting like I wasn't worthy of getting their dealers number or something. AND I USED TO BE A DEALER MYSELF. Which is the weird part of it all. For a couple months I was the one who was in the know and hooking everyone up. But the shit I was dealing was mid grade weed. Nothing like I've seen from the Road/Dark Net. If I had Silk Road back then it would of been glorious. 

Soooo... basically your saying your a non-productive member of society, havent had a job in a long time. and you wonder why people dont want to hang out with you and do drugs?? its cause your a loser dude... don't do drugs if your not working it only makes you more of a loser. sorry to be so harsh but its people like you who give "ALL" drug users a bad reputation.

Herby that's some ignorant judgemental shit to lay on somebody as a vendor.  I don't see how that'd help you sell your stuff.  I will think twice or more before I buy from you now......peace out dude!

[RoyalOil]

I love how no longer do you have to find the "in" crowd, or go through hell and earth to find an awesome connect. 
Here all it takes is doing a lot of reading of who is legit, and go forth.

Yeah that's the beautiful thing here. I've only been smoking weed and doing other drugs for like 3-4 years now and I'm in my late twenties. I never got into it when I was younger. But a huge problem I've been having is finding the stuff in first place. I always joked that I have a "drug problem" which is I can't actually find drugs. And it seemed like the people who had them liked being all elistist and exclusive about it.  Like I would hit up a friend to hang out and they would suddenly be all shady and reclusive... Well we hang out two days later and I get an ear full about how awesome their LSD trip was and I just wasn't invited because I wasn't the one who brought the stuff or whatever shit reason they'd give me. I've been unemployed for a long time so that contributed to it to "Oh dude we would of invited you but we didn't know if you could afford it" Bull. Shit.

Which is why when I finally got my first order from the dark web last month, weed from Sheep, (I was too late to order from the original SR... by too late I mean I finally finally finally got money and bitcoins after knowing about the road for two years and being too broke to take advantage of it. The week I funded my account -- it was the weekend before Black Wednesday when the site went down) I didn't let a single fucking soul know I had what was probably the best weed I've ever bought and probably would of been the best weed anyone around here would of ever seen.

I'm going to eventually share with my friends but I've got this dark side in me that's still bitter about them and everyone else acting like I wasn't worthy of getting their dealers number or something. AND I USED TO BE A DEALER MYSELF. Which is the weird part of it all. For a couple months I was the one who was in the know and hooking everyone up. But the shit I was dealing was mid grade weed. Nothing like I've seen from the Road/Dark Net. If I had Silk Road back then it would of been glorious. 

Soooo... basically your saying your a non-productive member of society, havent had a job in a long time. and you wonder why people dont want to hang out with you and do drugs?? its cause your a loser dude... don't do drugs if your not working it only makes you more of a loser. sorry to be so harsh but its people like you who give "ALL" drug users a bad reputation.

Harsh but true.

We wouldn't want to invite the mooch either. Doesn't me we wouldn't freely share our goods with those with us, but not those that feel entitled to anything.

~RO

[YCWS]

You are crazy to think organized crime groups aren't interested in SR.

Being able to sell bulk amounts at street level price is far more desirable than being forced to sell bulk with a price break.

+ SR is so much more discreet.

[besam191]

I love how no longer do you have to find the "in" crowd, or go through hell and earth to find an awesome connect. 
Here all it takes is doing a lot of reading of who is legit, and go forth.

Yeah that's the beautiful thing here. I've only been smoking weed and doing other drugs for like 3-4 years now and I'm in my late twenties. I never got into it when I was younger. But a huge problem I've been having is finding the stuff in first place. I always joked that I have a "drug problem" which is I can't actually find drugs. And it seemed like the people who had them liked being all elistist and exclusive about it.  Like I would hit up a friend to hang out and they would suddenly be all shady and reclusive... Well we hang out two days later and I get an ear full about how awesome their LSD trip was and I just wasn't invited because I wasn't the one who brought the stuff or whatever shit reason they'd give me. I've been unemployed for a long time so that contributed to it to "Oh dude we would of invited you but we didn't know if you could afford it" Bull. Shit.

Which is why when I finally got my first order from the dark web last month, weed from Sheep, (I was too late to order from the original SR... by too late I mean I finally finally finally got money and bitcoins after knowing about the road for two years and being too broke to take advantage of it. The week I funded my account -- it was the weekend before Black Wednesday when the site went down) I didn't let a single fucking soul know I had what was probably the best weed I've ever bought and probably would of been the best weed anyone around here would of ever seen.

I'm going to eventually share with my friends but I've got this dark side in me that's still bitter about them and everyone else acting like I wasn't worthy of getting their dealers number or something. AND I USED TO BE A DEALER MYSELF. Which is the weird part of it all. For a couple months I was the one who was in the know and hooking everyone up. But the shit I was dealing was mid grade weed. Nothing like I've seen from the Road/Dark Net. If I had Silk Road back then it would of been glorious. 

Soooo... basically your saying your a non-productive member of society, havent had a job in a long time. and you wonder why people dont want to hang out with you and do drugs?? its cause your a loser dude... don't do drugs if your not working it only makes you more of a loser. sorry to be so harsh but its people like you who give "ALL" drug users a bad reputation.

Herby that's some ignorant judgemental shit to lay on somebody as a vendor.  I don't see how that'd help you sell your stuff.  I will think twice or more before I buy from you now......peace out dude!

Come on now, vendors can put their two cents in the forums how ever theyd like. All he did was call the kid out. When i read that post i was thinking to myself i know a few bummy "friends" i would happily do drugs in front of and not share mine bc these ppl are ALWAYS BROKE.
And those types of druggies losers do give us all a bad name. I work 40 hours a week to be a functioning user; as do most users.

[Kvothe]

I love how no longer do you have to find the "in" crowd, or go through hell and earth to find an awesome connect. 
Here all it takes is doing a lot of reading of who is legit, and go forth.

Yeah that's the beautiful thing here. I've only been smoking weed and doing other drugs for like 3-4 years now and I'm in my late twenties. I never got into it when I was younger. But a huge problem I've been having is finding the stuff in first place. I always joked that I have a "drug problem" which is I can't actually find drugs. And it seemed like the people who had them liked being all elistist and exclusive about it.  Like I would hit up a friend to hang out and they would suddenly be all shady and reclusive... Well we hang out two days later and I get an ear full about how awesome their LSD trip was and I just wasn't invited because I wasn't the one who brought the stuff or whatever shit reason they'd give me. I've been unemployed for a long time so that contributed to it to "Oh dude we would of invited you but we didn't know if you could afford it" Bull. Shit.

Which is why when I finally got my first order from the dark web last month, weed from Sheep, (I was too late to order from the original SR... by too late I mean I finally finally finally got money and bitcoins after knowing about the road for two years and being too broke to take advantage of it. The week I funded my account -- it was the weekend before Black Wednesday when the site went down) I didn't let a single fucking soul know I had what was probably the best weed I've ever bought and probably would of been the best weed anyone around here would of ever seen.

I'm going to eventually share with my friends but I've got this dark side in me that's still bitter about them and everyone else acting like I wasn't worthy of getting their dealers number or something. AND I USED TO BE A DEALER MYSELF. Which is the weird part of it all. For a couple months I was the one who was in the know and hooking everyone up. But the shit I was dealing was mid grade weed. Nothing like I've seen from the Road/Dark Net. If I had Silk Road back then it would of been glorious. 

Soooo... basically your saying your a non-productive member of society, havent had a job in a long time. and you wonder why people dont want to hang out with you and do drugs?? its cause your a loser dude... don't do drugs if your not working it only makes you more of a loser. sorry to be so harsh but its people like you who give "ALL" drug users a bad reputation.

I beg to differ. The sort of drug users that give other drug users a bad name are those that spike women's drinks with drugs, steal their relative's money or mug people on the street. Not to mention those that get violent...

So what if he doesn't work, let the man his peace. I bet he already hears this all the time IRL. If you are a "winner" or loser isn't determined by you having a job or not. This is a typically idea among americans and germans.

What is far more important however is being honest and standing in for what you believe. Being kind and showing respect, being compassionate. Spreading love!

Virtues are far more important than money.

[TheRealBossCaliBud]

I beg to differ. The sort of drug users that give other drug users a bad name are those that spike women's drinks with drugs, steal their relative's money or mug people on the street. Not to mention those that get violent...

So what if he doesn't work, let the man his peace. I bet he already hears this all the time IRL. If you are a "winner" or loser isn't determined by you having a job or not. This is a typically idea among americans and germans.

What is far more important however is being honest and standing in for what you believe. Being kind and showing respect, being compassionate. Spreading love!

Virtues are far more important than money.

You my friend, should be a preacher.

[PureO]

There have been vendors on here selling cartel size volumes on here- there was a new type of escrow introduced by DPR and Limetless for bulk sales 25 kilos and more.  I think this was before your time!!

Secondly, if vendor Oliver was telling the truth, he probably did sell over 10kilos of alprazolam powder combine that with his supplier googleyed (whom he later cut out of the equation) I am willing to bet they've moved at least a barrel (25 kilos) of powdered Xanax.

Lastly, if you are a lab in a University and legitimately purchasing Oxycodone or  Hydrocodone,  powder the prices are $2500-$3000 per gram. You don't need to move a kilo of that to have some attractive numbers for criminals to want to get involved.

Besides the majority of Research Chemicals come out of China and India. A couple of grams of some substances can be worth more than a years salary for average residents (where yearly wages range from $1600 in India and $5000 in China ).

That is not cartel volume.  I myself personally sell at least 50kg every week... 

10kg of alprazolam is worth about $12,000 USD max.  It costs no more than $2,000 USD a KF wholesale.

No doubt there are vendors making a lot of money.  Yes, more money than their country's yearly wage range every month.  I definitely fit into that category.  Still not cartel.

Oliver was vendor #1 for 18th months and made millions of dollars. He was selling pharmaceuticals that unlike the stuff you sell can't be legal in some jurisdictions and is sold by every supplier on Alibaba and Chinese B2B sites for 5000 cny a kilo.

Buying from China is child's play- until this happens:
Another foriegner calls the supplier : I want to buy 10 kilos metholone
Chinese supplier "hold on I get Yang on phone"
Yang  "Hello"
Caller "I want to buy 10 kilos of meth.."
Yang "Sam" from New York?
Caller "Uh Yes"
Yang "Do you have our WU or Alipay?"
Caller "Yes"  What name and address do you have for shipping"
Yang "148  E 2nd Street Apt 5c NY NY 10002
Caller "thank you"  .....click...


2 weeks later that caller is the ONLY vendor shipping meth. on SR.
Happens all the time.

Good luck with the Chinese!!

[nurseJackie]

Cartels do not even sell single kilograms.  They charge a small fraction of what you would pay on here and they sell a minimum of several hundreds of kilograms at a time minimum.  Completely different levels of distribution.  Neither of which are stepping on each others toes.

Correect!  I used to have a guy that would drop of keys for his spending money.  Their bread and butter was the 100+ keys, and they generally send them to places that have high cost. 

a few hundred grand and 10 keys is even pocket change to Cartels/Mafia.  They are running their operations like billion dollar businesses, as Jack said the scale/level is totally different.  They don't sell the users, they sell to the guy that gets 100's, to guys thagt get 10-20,who sellto guys that get a few keys, who sell to people who gets OZ's and quarter birds, whos sell to you. 

In reality all SR does is help more customers buy, which could increase demand and help Cartel/Mafia business indirectly.  Also, there was a study that refuted people's belief that bitcoins are perfect to launder money.  The quantity of $ earned by Cartel is too great to wash through bitcoins.  If the guy who stole sheep $ has too much coin to discretly wash, you have to figure that Cartels/Mafia are making billions, way too much $ to run through SR/clean w bitcoin.

[DrMDA]

You are crazy to think organized crime groups aren't interested in SR.

Being able to sell bulk amounts at street level price is far more desirable than being forced to sell bulk with a price break.

+ SR is so much more discreet.

Sorry dude but no one is selling 10,000kg of coke on SR. Crack whores don't walk the streets with laptops.

[PureO]

Anyone in the know will tell you that it is impossible to leave Colombia with a SINGLE brink of pure coke without dealing with someone associated in a cartel. 

Many people are confursing Pablo Escobar with the 100,000 soldiers/salemen who cut smaller deals from having hippies swallow 20 condoms to having German tourist wear coke lined Polar jackets.  I assure you no major crime boss is setting that up.

Lastly (for the LAST TIME) a Kilo or Hydrocodone or Oxycodone has a street value of 1,000,000 to 2,200,000 million a Kilo (when sold by the gram).  Any compound pharmacist will confirm these prices.  One Kilo of this substance is worth MUCH more than Coke, Heroin, MDMA, etc. 

Economies of scale- no one moves kilos of this, these substances are highly monitored by the DEA- anyone having the license to legally be in possession of these items are  subject to announced spot inspections. Most compound pharmacies have closed over the years and limited to one or two per city because of the regulations, insurance, costly licenses and bonding.

[Hiniguel]

You are crazy to think organized crime groups aren't interested in SR.

Being able to sell bulk amounts at street level price is far more desirable than being forced to sell bulk with a price break.

+ SR is so much more discreet.

Sorry dude but no one is selling 10,000kg of coke on SR. Crack whores don't walk the streets with laptops.

+1 Dr, we got off on the wrong foot, but I agree with alot of what you say actually - To anyone who thinks real cartels are here why would a cartel who already has hundreds of customers buying tonnes (and I do literally mean tonnes) of Cocaine/Heroin/Whatever else come on here and start selling?

They would literally need hundreds if not thousands of accounts selling average bulk (100g-1kg) to make a profit even close to what they already do.

[YCWS]

I think you have both misunderstood,
I am talking about organized crime groups, not top level cartels.

[Hiniguel]

I think you have both misunderstood,
I am talking about organized crime groups, not top level cartels.

Well, technically I agree with you then. Me and my team could be classed as an organised crime group - we are a group who commit organised crime?

[Shaggy Shaman]

I think you have both misunderstood,
I am talking about organized crime groups, not top level cartels.

Well, technically I agree with you then. Me and my team could be classed as an organised crime group - we are a group who commit organised crime?

Aren't we all, here? Haven't we organized ourselves to commit "crime"?

SS

[nicedayproject]

I love how no longer do you have to find the "in" crowd, or go through hell and earth to find an awesome connect. 
Here all it takes is doing a lot of reading of who is legit, and go forth.

Yeah that's the beautiful thing here. I've only been smoking weed and doing other drugs for like 3-4 years now and I'm in my late twenties. I never got into it when I was younger. But a huge problem I've been having is finding the stuff in first place. I always joked that I have a "drug problem" which is I can't actually find drugs. And it seemed like the people who had them liked being all elistist and exclusive about it.  Like I would hit up a friend to hang out and they would suddenly be all shady and reclusive... Well we hang out two days later and I get an ear full about how awesome their LSD trip was and I just wasn't invited because I wasn't the one who brought the stuff or whatever shit reason they'd give me. I've been unemployed for a long time so that contributed to it to "Oh dude we would of invited you but we didn't know if you could afford it" Bull. Shit.

Which is why when I finally got my first order from the dark web last month, weed from Sheep, (I was too late to order from the original SR... by too late I mean I finally finally finally got money and bitcoins after knowing about the road for two years and being too broke to take advantage of it. The week I funded my account -- it was the weekend before Black Wednesday when the site went down) I didn't let a single fucking soul know I had what was probably the best weed I've ever bought and probably would of been the best weed anyone around here would of ever seen.

I'm going to eventually share with my friends but I've got this dark side in me that's still bitter about them and everyone else acting like I wasn't worthy of getting their dealers number or something. AND I USED TO BE A DEALER MYSELF. Which is the weird part of it all. For a couple months I was the one who was in the know and hooking everyone up. But the shit I was dealing was mid grade weed. Nothing like I've seen from the Road/Dark Net. If I had Silk Road back then it would of been glorious. 

Soooo... basically your saying your a non-productive member of society, havent had a job in a long time. and you wonder why people dont want to hang out with you and do drugs?? its cause your a loser dude... don't do drugs if your not working it only makes you more of a loser. sorry to be so harsh but its people like you who give "ALL" drug users a bad reputation.

I beg to differ. The sort of drug users that give other drug users a bad name are those that spike women's drinks with drugs, steal their relative's money or mug people on the street. Not to mention those that get violent...

So what if he doesn't work, let the man his peace. I bet he already hears this all the time IRL. If you are a "winner" or loser isn't determined by you having a job or not. This is a typically idea among americans and germans.

What is far more important however is being honest and standing in for what you believe. Being kind and showing respect, being compassionate. Spreading love!

Virtues are far more important than money.

Agreed. Like, holy shit, this guy JUST said that he bought weed off of Sheep, meaning he had money, and wanted to share it with his old friends who fucking shunned him in the past and he gets called a bummy loser? Wow.

I think you have both misunderstood,
I am talking about organized crime groups, not top level cartels.

Well, technically I agree with you then. Me and my team could be classed as an organised crime group - we are a group who commit organised crime?

Aren't we all, here? Haven't we organized ourselves to commit "crime"?

SS

Don't you guys think of organized crime in terms of gangs and shit? Alright, we're not dealing with cartels here (apparently cartels only deal with 1000 kg+ orders according to some people here), we're talking about the kind of dealers that will deal with ounces, pounds, kilograms but also have guns/protection, corrupt friends in authority positions, lowly dealers/security working for them, etc.. I'm sure some of those guys do online trading as well (including a mule that drops off packages to be shipped?).

[Hiniguel]

I love how no longer do you have to find the "in" crowd, or go through hell and earth to find an awesome connect. 
Here all it takes is doing a lot of reading of who is legit, and go forth.

Yeah that's the beautiful thing here. I've only been smoking weed and doing other drugs for like 3-4 years now and I'm in my late twenties. I never got into it when I was younger. But a huge problem I've been having is finding the stuff in first place. I always joked that I have a "drug problem" which is I can't actually find drugs. And it seemed like the people who had them liked being all elistist and exclusive about it.  Like I would hit up a friend to hang out and they would suddenly be all shady and reclusive... Well we hang out two days later and I get an ear full about how awesome their LSD trip was and I just wasn't invited because I wasn't the one who brought the stuff or whatever shit reason they'd give me. I've been unemployed for a long time so that contributed to it to "Oh dude we would of invited you but we didn't know if you could afford it" Bull. Shit.

Which is why when I finally got my first order from the dark web last month, weed from Sheep, (I was too late to order from the original SR... by too late I mean I finally finally finally got money and bitcoins after knowing about the road for two years and being too broke to take advantage of it. The week I funded my account -- it was the weekend before Black Wednesday when the site went down) I didn't let a single fucking soul know I had what was probably the best weed I've ever bought and probably would of been the best weed anyone around here would of ever seen.

I'm going to eventually share with my friends but I've got this dark side in me that's still bitter about them and everyone else acting like I wasn't worthy of getting their dealers number or something. AND I USED TO BE A DEALER MYSELF. Which is the weird part of it all. For a couple months I was the one who was in the know and hooking everyone up. But the shit I was dealing was mid grade weed. Nothing like I've seen from the Road/Dark Net. If I had Silk Road back then it would of been glorious. 

Soooo... basically your saying your a non-productive member of society, havent had a job in a long time. and you wonder why people dont want to hang out with you and do drugs?? its cause your a loser dude... don't do drugs if your not working it only makes you more of a loser. sorry to be so harsh but its people like you who give "ALL" drug users a bad reputation.

I beg to differ. The sort of drug users that give other drug users a bad name are those that spike women's drinks with drugs, steal their relative's money or mug people on the street. Not to mention those that get violent...

So what if he doesn't work, let the man his peace. I bet he already hears this all the time IRL. If you are a "winner" or loser isn't determined by you having a job or not. This is a typically idea among americans and germans.

What is far more important however is being honest and standing in for what you believe. Being kind and showing respect, being compassionate. Spreading love!

Virtues are far more important than money.

Agreed. Like, holy shit, this guy JUST said that he bought weed off of Sheep, meaning he had money, and wanted to share it with his old friends who fucking shunned him in the past and he gets called a bummy loser? Wow.

I think you have both misunderstood,
I am talking about organized crime groups, not top level cartels.

Well, technically I agree with you then. Me and my team could be classed as an organised crime group - we are a group who commit organised crime?

Aren't we all, here? Haven't we organized ourselves to commit "crime"?

SS

Don't you guys think of organized crime in terms of gangs and shit? Alright, we're not dealing with cartels here (apparently cartels only deal with 1000 kg+ orders according to some people here), we're talking about the kind of dealers that will deal with ounces, pounds, kilograms but also have guns/protection, corrupt friends in authority positions, lowly dealers/security working for them, etc.. I'm sure some of those guys do online trading as well (including a mule that drops off packages to be shipped?).

No, to me - organised crime is that. Organised crime. Crime planned so that one is not effectivelly 'caught in the act'

If you meant gangs, you should have said gangs. I'm sure some vendors have guns but probably because they deal in real life as well and don't want to risk being robbed.

Who knows? - Who cares?

[besam191]

sounds like someone is fairly new here..lol