Anybody know about this article.

[Silent Gooomba]

[CLEARNET]
http://metro.co.uk/2013/11/14/a-tragedy-of-our-times-teen-dies-while-on-skype-after-buying-drugs-from-silk-road-4187879/
[CLEARNET]
Anybody have any information of this being accurate at all?  Thoughts.
"A teenager collapsed and died from a drug overdose in front of his horrified friends while they were chatting on Skype, an inquest heard.

Patrick McMullen, who had hoped to study computing at Cambridge University, was boasting about the high kicking in from taking half a gram of ecstasy and three LSD tabs when he suddenly keeled over.

The 17-year-old, who had also spoken of taking ketamine bought from notorious underground website Silk Road, was heard ‘banging around’ and then fell silent.

The mother of one of the three friends he was talking to dialled 999 but an ambulance crew found him dead on his bedroom floor at home in Puddletown, Dorset.

His company director mother, Collete, told the inquest she could not persuade him to give up drugs. She added: ‘He thought taking drugs was a way of expanding his mind. He thought himself very well-informed on this subject.’

Patrick, who was expelled from school for drug dealing, was a regular LSD and cannabis user. His parents were away on August 31 this year, the night he told his friends on Skype: ‘This is high-quality stuff. I’m starting to feel the effects now.’

One friend, Jack Sainsbury, 17, said: ‘He couldn’t hold a conversation. He wasn’t making any sense.’

Dorset coroner Sheriff Payne ruled the death was caused by abusing illicit drugs, adding: ‘It’s a very sad end for a young man, particularly one who felt so confident in the use of drugs.’"

[ColorBlack]

This is indeed sad. However, next time a drunk driving kid kills himself or someone else, I insist the newspaper write the name of the liquor store/bar/pub + the exact name of the booze the boy had been consuming. It's only fair, right?

[mlg22]

He must've taken some bunk ecstasy, cause that story doesn't really make sense to me...Sure, 1/2g may be a lot for some people, but I highly doubt that was enough to kill him, if it was actually ecstasy. It's hard to tell though, because it doesn't mention when or how much K he did.

I do think it's bullshit that SR gets thrown in there and blamed...There is plenty of information here to be safe, it's not SRs fault that he thought he was cool for doing drugs and did too much.

[mlg22]

This is indeed sad. However, next time a drunk driving kid kills himself or someone else, I insist the newspaper write the name of the liquor store/bar/pub + the exact name of the booze the boy had been consuming. It's only fair, right?

+1 all day on this. Same goes for pills, guess the doctor is to blame if the patient takes an off label amount and ODs...

[Dread Pirate Roberts]

The usual bad press and another outlet I now will refuse to work with for being ignorant of the situation. Silk Road will give you access to many more drugs than one person could usually procure on their own, that is freedom. A price of freedom (or as I see it, a duty and a privilege) is responsibility. If you are responsible, then it is very unlikely something would ever come to harm you given the resources we have made available to everyone. As Doctor X said if you put drugs on a table they will not get up and attack you nor harm you, the person taking them bears the responsibility and if they were wise and knowledgeable even bunk products would not harm them since they should have testing kits themselves which are cheaper than the drugs usually.

[mlg22]

The usual bad press and another outlet I now will refuse to work with for being ignorant of the situation. Silk Road will give you access to many more drugs than one person could usually procure on their own, that is freedom. A price of freedom (or as I see it, a duty and a privilege) is responsibility. If you are responsible, then it is very unlikely something would ever come to harm you given the resources we have made available to everyone. As Doctor X said if you put drugs on a table they will not get up and attack you nor harm you, the person taking them bears the responsibility and if they were wise and knowledgeable even bunk products would not harm them since they should have testing kits themselves which are cheaper than the drugs usually.

I agree with everything you said, DPR. There is more than enough information here to be safe. The amount of reviews and drug safety threads alone should be enough for you to be informed about what you're taking. I have never seen anyone give anyone else a hard time here for asking a legitimate drug safety question. It's always been strongly advised here to have testing kits for the substances you purchase.

I think these media types just throw the name SR in there to get more clicks. It's not informed reporting, it's hot topic reporting. Just keep banging the same things out, as long as people read it. There is absolutely no reason to throw SR in on that crap...SR is not about informing people about drugs (even though you can learn anything you want here), but giving people the right to make informed adult decisions. I hate how everything now is all about blaming others for your mistakes. No one made that kid mix LSD, MDMA, and K. It was his choice! He chose to not have enough information about his choices, and also chose to brag about his drug use to others.

I do feel for the kid's family and friends, but it's no one here's fault and its ignorant to blame SR for it.

[StringerBell]

Do you think it was the mix that interacted in a toxic way or solely the amount of mdma/lsd/ketamine by itself?

[Silent Gooomba]

I agree DPR!
The silk road forums do more to promote safe drug use then most government funded sites(as far as hands on experience) . The worse part about it is there exploiting a young man who died and his family for the sole purpose of selling papers and tarnishing the silk road name with no actual evidence of where the drugs came from.
Thought id bring this article to peoples attention.
~ Silent G

[Silent Gooomba]

Do you think it was the mix that interacted in a toxic way or solely the amount of mdma/lsd/ketamine by itself?

Could be either no way to really tell without knowing how much he took of both

[StringerBell]

Yes i was thinking that to, 0.5 mdma at once sounds pretty much on a 17 year old. Also ketamine in large doses i believe can be dangerous.

[mlg22]

Do you think it was the mix that interacted in a toxic way or solely the amount of mdma/lsd/ketamine by itself?

Personally, I think it was an interaction...

My best friend OD'd on 10mg of Methadone and about 5 blue footballs though, so anything is possible. Those two things are pretty harmless (does wise), until you mix them, then its a whole new ballgame. We also don't know if that kid had any prior medical problems, which could've enhanced the effects of any of the things he took. Or the amounts of the other substances he took...He may have taken everything at the same time, which would've been f'n retarded.

I've never touched K, and don't know much about it, but 1/2g of MDMA can be taken safely, if you know what you're doing and space it out. There are definitely too many unknowns to be blaming SR for it though.

[StringerBell]

I agree, there are much variables we don't know of! Yes 0,5 spread out threw the night is not that raise my attention but if it was done in once I suppose it's a different matter?

[mlg22]

I agree, there are much variables we don't know of! Yes 0,5 spread out threw the night is not that raise my attention but if it was done in once I suppose it's a different matter?

It definitely would! It would all enter the bloodstream at the same time, even that much MDMA at once would be rough (I still don't think it would kill a healthy individual, but everyone reacts differently to things)...If he took the MD, K, and LSD at the same time it definitely would've screwed him good. I don't know enough about K/MDMA interactions to give a solid answer about those though.

[mlg22]

seems to be a lot of deaths being attributed to sr all of a sudden. its almost like they're being made up or exaggerated just to tarnish the new sr and turn society against us. but they wouldn't do something as despicable as that now, would they?

It's so easy to get the uneducated and misinformed to believe whatever they say, that they just can't help themselves when it comes to spewing bs

[JohnTheBaptist]

This is indeed sad. However, next time a drunk driving kid kills himself or someone else, I insist the newspaper write the name of the liquor store/bar/pub + the exact name of the booze the boy had been consuming. It's only fair, right?

Fair? OK we will find a pub that sells hundred percent proof alcohol and pure vodka and then see if any one has died. No you won't find one, that's the difference. People like young Paddy aren't going to have weak street drugs. It's terribly irresponsible to have kids consuming such high percent drugs. I feel responsible, this family have suffered enough without animals like you with your  nasty comments. Mrs McMullen if you're reading this may I extend our deepest sympathies to you and your family for the terrible loss you have endured. Comparing your son to a drunk driver is ridiculous and insulting we aren't all like this scumbag.

[JohnTheBaptist]

Nick show some respect you filthy smack fiend. I'll ring your disrespectful scrawny, needle marked neck for you.

God knows what people think of you. Sick fuck.

[JohnTheBaptist]

You idiot. who have I discriminated against? One set of scumbags like you. No- other race has been slandered so watch your fucking mouth.

[JohnTheBaptist]

You idiot. who have I discriminated against? One set of scumbags like you. No- other race has been slandered so watch your fucking mouth.

WHAT YOU GONNA FUCKING DO ABOUT IT??

You want to see......you fucking wait tramp.

[JohnTheBaptist]

Can you read you crack head? I said one set of scumbags like you. No other race you fucking scruffy, coffee stealing, homeless shelter dwelling hobo.

Listen you fucking child have some respect. This kid has left family behind and you come out with this abhorrent deeply hurtful crap you're despicable. |Shame on you animal.

[mlg22]

haha, I think he's trying to say that he's a bigot, but doesn't know the word 

[Trainwrecked]

This story sounds fake as shit.  Totally fake as shit.  "Patrick thought it was a way of expanding his mind and was really knowledgeable but he still died!  OMG!  DRUGS R EVIL!" is pretty much the message in this.  Sounds like this is a complete load of bullshit.  If so, he sure wasn't that knowledgeable and who the fuck dies from a Ketamine overdose? 

[Shaggy Shaman]

LSD is pretty much harmless, physically. Psychologically can be a different story. Mixing L and E is great and the two do not combine in any dangerous way(physically).

What killed the kid was taking .5 gram of good E all at once. That's just stupid. I agree with GroovyBruce. Darwin award for sure.

I also agree with what DPR said. It is the responsibility of the end user to educate themselves on what they are putting into their own bodies.

SS

[SoAlone]

So dude did a hippy/kitty flip and died? I didn't read anything about ketamine but a half a fucking gram of Silk Road MDMA is absurd.

3rd line down, put yer glasses on cousin Brucie~!

""The 17-year-old, who had also spoken of taking ketamine bought from notorious underground website Silk Road, was heard ‘banging around’ and then fell silent.""
[/quote]
So he could have gotten it from Silk Road. What difference does it make? The kid had issues if he needed to get that fucked up.

Also this next quote, somebody please explain;
"His company director mother, Collete, told the inquest she could not persuade him to give up drugs. She added: ‘He thought taking drugs was a way of expanding his mind. He thought himself very well-informed on this subject.’

Wtf is a company director mother? She could not persuade him. Well I guess she did all she could do? What a fucked up society. Then even odder statement by Dorset Coroner Sheriff Payne "‘It’s a very sad end for a young man, particularly one who felt so confident in the use of drugs.’"

Right, because when a 17 year old is so confident in the use of drugs, I mean for that 17 yr old to die from drugs, is just irony!"
WTF is wrong with these people?

Nobody grabbed this kid and shook him, and said, "Either you clean up your act or you're out of here" Or something?

I agree with the Darwin award comment. Also I predicted this shit would happen sooner or later. I always thought it would be Alprazolam powder. That seems real dangerous unless you have a really good scale, and know how to measure properly.

How could LSD not be enough for you? Granted I tried XTC once from here. Hated it. Made me think of the bunk 'mescaline' we used to get in high school. Though I've been told I just never tried good X/MDMA/Whatever.

To each their own. Personal responsibility is very underrated in this weird time period we seem to be going through. The "no consequences for your own actions" generation. And if there are consequences? Well don't worry, Big Gov will take care of you.

[BigTenInch__Record]

I call bullshit on a good majority of this particular article.  I think nick Cotton nailed it a page or two back with his comments.

[ColorBlack]

If I went to CVS and had a prescription for Percocet and went home and consumed the entire bottle and died do you think I'd get a news article about me listing the doctors and the business that sold me the drugs and holding them responsible for my actions?

At least his buddies can say they saw a snuff film...

This and this.

[Beezerbuz]

600 years ago, that kid would have been eaten by a lion,  its called natural selection

[kok]

If it was the first time he ever took MDMA it is believable that it was real MDMA. About 1 out of 50,000 people are hypersensitive/allergic to MDMA to the point that a regular dose could kill them. Taking 500MG for such a person would almost certainly kill them. It is a really risky dose for anyone though to take all at once and not via redosing. Even via redosing it is a pretty big dose to take. But it could very well not have been real MDMA, which is the second most likely scenario, in which case we need to find the vendor he got it from and ban the fuck. I have taken a full gram of MDMA over a two day party and lived to tell about it (though I was pretty fucking horrible feeling for days after). I don't think 500MG would normally kill a person who isn't hyper sensitive, but it is a dangerous dose and taking it all at once is even more dangerous since there is no build up of tolerance. Was he on other pharmaceuticals at the same time? Mixing it with some drugs for depression etc can be very deadly and at that dose especially. We need to know more details I suppose. But nobody ever said taking drugs was risk free, people his age die from alcohol overdoses on a fairly regular basis.

[BreakOnThrough]

A sad needless death... The article says he thought himself well informed, if he was why the heck would he take half a gram of E (at once by the sounds of it).  Serotonin syndrome with the acid+ketamine maybe?

Headline of a national free paper too, was bound to happen sometime.

A sad story which calls for us all to educate people on proper doses and sensible use.

[ASlone2013]

The Weak Die Sorry Iv taken 1 Gram of MDMA In a shot Glass filled with monster And then took 7 Tabs Your body can Handel more then you can think But if your body reacts like its poison your fucked Just have to know your Limits... Poor Space cadet you have fallen young Ill take a few tabs for you Soldier If you have a drug history im sure that your body would be more familiar with what is going on rather then Just be Like Derp

[mlg22]

would it be an idea if somebody made a list of all the drugs, made warnings and dosage instructions for each of them. then silk road required all sellers to download a copy for each drug they sell and send it on to the buyer with each order. just a thought, maybe the staff could build it into the road so its somehow automatic with every order. at least that way there is no excuse for anyone to say they were sold drugs on silk road but didn't know what they were doing.

i know some sellers do have instructions in their profiles and listings, but not all sellers do and i would imagine there are plenty of buyers who never read them.

I could see a lot of people bitching about it, but I think it's a great idea. Not that there are now, but there could be absolutely no blame to SR for things like this. It would almost have a pharmacy type feel to it. No excuses for people that don't follow the recommendations anymore.

It would also look very good to the public, it would show that we're a lot of caring people, that just happen to like doing drugs. Some people believe that all druggies and dealers are bad people, but that just isn't true. It's actually the opposite, in my opinion, as I believe most people end up enjoying drugs because they care about things and people too much. Much like sellers that deal to support their families or causes.

The stigma behind drugs is ridiculous and our best bet in "winning" the "war on drugs," is to give accurate knowledge to the misinformed and ignorant.

[mlg22]

I think if we get the Silk Road Courier up and running we need to do a story about this. Harm reduction and education is key. The media turns this kind of tragedy to further their agenda. Underage user + Silk Road = headline news and fear mongering. Unfortunately it takes some time to realize "confidence" + drugs can turn into hubris.

Raoul Duke
SR Courier

I agree 100%.

If we can't send out the info on every order, we could at least get a sticky up with all the information. Bruce said he already has some made up already, so we wouldn't have all that much more work to do. It would be rough doing every single product on SR, but obviously things like 600mg Ibuprofen could be skipped. We could maybe throw some links out for those types of things, to keep it a little more organized.

[mlg22]

I think if we get the Silk Road Courier up and running we need to do a story about this. Harm reduction and education is key. The media turns this kind of tragedy to further their agenda. Underage user + Silk Road = headline news and fear mongering. Unfortunately it takes some time to realize "confidence" + drugs can turn into hubris.

Raoul Duke
SR Courier

I agree 100%.

If we can't send out the info on every order, we could at least get a sticky up with all the information. Bruce said he already has some made up already, so we wouldn't have all that much more work to do. It would be rough doing every single product on SR, but obviously things like 600mg Ibuprofen could be skipped. We could maybe throw some links out for those types of things, to keep it a little more organized.

I only did write ups for the items I sold on my vendor page. At one point I had complete writeups for MDMA, LSD, and a plethora of pharmaceuticals. Well over a dozen entries complete with half-life, history, dosage, chemical name (trade and scientific/molecular) Unfortunately I didn't create backups and everything was stored on SR 1.0 servers and is now lost along with my wallet and escrow funds.

That sucks, man...Sorry you lost your wallet and money.

I still don't think it would be that hard. Erowid is great, and I know there's a huge LSD guide on here already, that JOR helped make.

If this does take off, I'm definitely in to help! Whatever is needed, just let me know.

[CanIHaveSome]

Am I missing something?  A seventeen year old (teenager) od's on drugs, and he should have known what he was doing, or should have known better?  Ok.

[LEGACY]

Most of us here know the drugs used shouldn't really cause death.

MDMA and L are pretty good at not killing people. At high doses.

I personally think it was a heavy hit of K that dropped the kids senses down so low that while he was also on a ridiculously impossible dose for a fucking 17 year old of MDMA I could imagine that whole combo having senses shutting down as an effect. If you've ever done enough K, (And I did enough K, while on E) you know you go way fucking deep and barely feel your physical system. That's the best answer I can think of.

Anyone check the sourcing of the article?

[ChipDouglas]

would it be an idea if somebody made a list of all the drugs, made warnings and dosage instructions for each of them. then silk road required all sellers to download a copy for each drug they sell and send it on to the buyer with each order. just a thought, maybe the staff could build it into the road so its somehow automatic with every order. at least that way there is no excuse for anyone to say they were sold drugs on silk road but didn't know what they were doing.

i know some sellers do have instructions in their profiles and listings, but not all sellers do and i would imagine there are plenty of buyers who never read them.

I agree with your point on prohibition being a contributing factor. If you're really libertarian, and I don't mean 'absolutes', like of course unrestricted access to drugs is not a good idea, but the whole "warning labels might have saved him" philosiphy plays right into the hands of big government liberals (and RINO's btw), - The whole tobacco debacle. (good name for a band?) - You know, "My husband smoked for 40 years, and now we lost him to lung cancer, hey big tobacco! You should pay me for his idiocy!"

I do understand the desire to save people from themselves, as I've been doing that forever it seems, but really, when you stop and think about it, and take a look around at this increasingly clueless generation after generation being bred, of cry-baby irresponsible wimps, it's a wonder we're not in complete chaos already!

Anyway, I gotta go.

Sorry to get off on a rant there. - Speed will do that.
(see? it's not me, it's the speeds fault!)

   Chip   

[infinity]

ok, this article is full of shit, I'm in contact with one of the friend that was holding the conversation on skype with Patrick and he told me that ketamine was not involved, he only took 500mg of what he was thinking was MDMA and couple of LSD blotters, and his friend confirmed that he took that combination many and many times without any problems.

I post bellow Patrick friend words when he answered to my question:

"The media have lied and made up information about the circumstances of his death which have no weight in fact whatsoever, even going so far as to INCORRECTLY identify the drugs which lead to his death.
Initially I thought the papers weren't allowed to fabricate stories to slander the death of a 17 year old boy and be used as fear mongering tactics but apparently I was mistaken.
 If he had indeed taken 500mg of MDMA he would have been fine; the official cause of death, which the papers have decided to lie about, was Methylone toxicity or "bk-MDMA" which is NOT real MD. I know this because I attended the coroners report and gave a statement 2 days ago where I had to relive the death of my best friend.
Jack. "

I still investigate if the Methylone he bought thinking was MDMA came from Silkroad or from a street dealer, I will let u know as soon I get an answer back from Patrick friend.

[ChipDouglas]

Point taken Nick. I didn't mean to insinuate.  I gotta be careful when I swoop in and comment like that. I think I was already charged up about the ridiculousness of the article, and I just grabbed your quote to respond to.

I go back to a time when people had accountability.(in the US) Personal responsibility wasn't a virtue, it was expected. The fact that cigarettes now have warning labels on them, shows how much we've lost in that department. It wasn't done for the benefit of the public. It was a result of the perversion of laws, by the American Trial Lawyers Association. Who should be deported and have their assets seized unto the third generation

There I go on a rant again!

@infinity - thanks for that. Do come back and update. It's a sad fact, but one we all should know by now. The press has been bought and paid for. You think it's bad in the UK? I usually find out more about the corrupt government in DC from British news sites! Over here they're total Obama loyalists. I refuse to watch any TV or read newspapers anymore. That's how bad it is.

Beware the Government Media Complex.

   Chip