Project Black Flag Discussion

[Dread Pirate Roberts]

Please place all discussions around Project Blag Flag below. Setting up additional topics may be considered spam and deleted. Myself and mettaDPR have agreed not to spam each other but having removed 12 topics in 4 hours for outright spamming links, it is clear this agreement is not being respected. Any additional topics or posting links not inside this topic will be removed immediately.

[Predecessor]

seems "legit" but EMPTY

[Milkdud]

attack of the SR clones

sucks atl turned out to be run by douchebags else we would have had one solid site

[Milkdud]

id spam sr2.0 links on pfb's forum but there isnt a sr2.0 so what the fuck do u care wannadpr

[Fluffhead!]

attack of the SR clones

sucks atl turned out to be run by douchebags else we would have had one solid site

go away troll

[NO HALF MEASURES]

attack of the SR clones sucks atl turned out to be run by douchebags else we would have had one solid site

id spam sr2.0 links on pfb's forum but there isnt a sr2.0 so what the fuck do u care wannadpr

You wouldn't even be getting a say in the matter if weren't for your "wannadpr", go and HATE somewhere else...........................

[FriendOfTheDevil]

id spam sr2.0 links on pfb's forum but there isnt a sr2.0 so what the fuck do u care wannadpr

DPR would not suggest that, even if there was a link.

You dont stoop to the level of spammers/scammers.

DPR, keep in mind, it may not be PBF's admins/employees doing this.
I find it admirable that DPR and MDPR are on speaking terms, i think it would be beneficial to the deepweb community if communication amongst site owners was maintained periodically. You all have the same goals, sharing info and knowledge may help.

[charas]

 Respect is due to MDPR, for trying but I feel that site has a long way to go. The forum there seem very quiet and the Market place is not the best IMO & that's putting it mildly. The whole feel of the site makes me worry.
 The only listing I saw had a request to contact seller via Gmail, & for payment directly to seller. Which to me looked a complete scam and it was the first listing for weed.
 I would of thought a new site would not of let its first listed cannabis item look so very dodgy.
 I won't be buying from there.
 Have any reputable sellers opened up there?? if so, could you post how its going, please?

 C
 

[charas]

  Thanks Nero,
 It would be a long time before I trust that site.
 I am no expert but why have a Beta version up if its not safe, & looks rubbish
 It does not inspire any confidense, from me anyway &
 the way the listings are at the moment only reinforcing my lack of trust.
 
 Take care
C 

[Not_a_Bobby]

Anybody caught spamming will be nicked and chucked in the clink

[takethree]

I am put off using it because of all this spamming.

a site that tries that hard or promos itself in the way it has been doing does not install confidence in me.

[NotACop]

I'm about to have a nervous breakdown,
My head really hurts,
If I don't find a way out of here,
I'm gonna go berserk.

[Pops]

Might be worth making this a 'Sticky Topic'

[jayblunted]

Whatever Black Flag has as far as security etc, its the best looking market site out there, for now. Not trying to sell it to anyone thats just my opinion between Sheep, BMR and BF. I think its good to have a backup site running just incase.

[Captain Kush]

LOOKS like site could use a little more work.

[jakeyblues1987]

 Respect is due to MDPR, for trying but I feel that site has a long way to go. The forum there seem very quiet and the Market place is not the best IMO & that's putting it mildly. The whole feel of the site makes me worry.
 The only listing I saw had a request to contact seller via Gmail, & for payment directly to seller. Which to me looked a complete scam and it was the first listing for weed.
 I would of thought a new site would not of let its first listed cannabis item look so very dodgy.
 I won't be buying from there.
 Have any reputable sellers opened up there?? if so, could you post how its going, please?

 C

im on there, and have made one sale. The site has some bugs...but its good as long as you know the seller and pgp everything

[Sweetheart]

  Thanks Nero,
 It would be a long time before I trust that site.
 I am no expert but why have a Beta version up if its not safe, & looks rubbish
 It does not inspire any confidense, from me anyway &
 the way the listings are at the moment only reinforcing my lack of trust.
 
 Take care
C 

What specifically makes you feel that it is not safe?  MDPR has stated that the security is fully developed and that this beta process is more for the topical stuff (ie, listing images, the interface, the colors etc...).

As far as the spamming, I am on this forum a lot and haven't seen the spamming but maybe that's because mods are working quickly which is good.  I can assure you that over in their forums, they are incredibly respectful of this forum and have discouraged people from spamming.  MDPR has specifically stated, please do not spam the forums; so in regard to the OP, I think it's unfair to just assume they are clearly not sticking to the agreement.  He cannot control what every person does and once this forum's site is up, I'm sure we will experience the same thing. 

As a previous poster stated, we are all in this together and benefit from not sectioning off into sub-catorgories.  It's important that we remain united and avoid any kind of us/them rhetoric. 

Anyways, just my two bitcoins.

[RTRAN]

Only time will tell

[Adventure Time!]

Adventure Time is NOT on Black Flag. There is a fake Adventure Time on Black Flag. I told mDPR about it, but he doesn't care. I think Black Flag will just fill up with name jacking scammers. They don't confirm vendors at all, in any way.

[Sweetheart]

Adventure Time is NOT on Black Flag. There is a fake Adventure Time on Black Flag. I told mDPR about it, but he doesn't care. I think Black Flag will just fill up with name jacking scammers. They don't confirm vendors at all, in any way.

I've read that it's best to contact him through the site since his forum messages are just sort of overloaded with everything from weird fan mail to legitimate requests like yours.  Have you tried that? Because if that's the case, that's def not OK.  I would be really upset.  Somebody is putting your reputation at risk and you've worked hard for that and it isn't easy in this market....  Let me know how I can help.

[BigBadDPK]

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Adventure Time is NOT on Black Flag. There is a fake Adventure Time on Black Flag. I told mDPR about it, but he doesn't care. I think Black Flag will just fill up with name jacking scammers. They don't confirm vendors at all, in any way.

Hello Adventure Time Could you please explain why your PGP keys Match If there was a Name Jacking Scammer Like you are so quick to point out

The account is seen Here"http://blackiiw5nozs6i5.onion/index.php?topic=103.msg1074#msg1074" posting His PGP key for obtaining a Vendor account

and your PGP Key is Listed on your Profile at "http://silkroad5v7dywlc.onion/index.php?action=profile;u=623"

correct? well you know what it looks like oddly enough this "Name Jacking Scammer" seems to be you -_- oh wow i just compared the Keys and can you believe that they match?

i would like it if you refrained from making false accusations against the Project known as Black Flag as this only makes you look bad....

~DPK~
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[Buttercup]

Hello Adventure Time Could you please explain why your PGP keys Match If there was a Name Jacking Scammer Like you are so quick to point out

It's a public key not a signature. Anyone could have copied and pasted it into that thread.

[BigBadDPK]

Hello Adventure Time Could you please explain why your PGP keys Match If there was a Name Jacking Scammer Like you are so quick to point out

It's a public key not a signature. Anyone could have copied and pasted it into that thread.

but why would a name jacker also try and jack a public key that He can not read the msgs to.... I always PGP message my sellers as soon as some one went to Msg he wouldn't be able to read it? so what would be the point of this... there would be none...

[WestleyR]

Hello Adventure Time Could you please explain why your PGP keys Match If there was a Name Jacking Scammer Like you are so quick to point out

It's a public key not a signature. Anyone could have copied and pasted it into that thread.

but why would a name jacker also try and jack a public key that He can not read the msgs to.... I always PGP message my sellers as soon as some one went to Msg he wouldn't be able to read it? so what would be the point of this... there would be none...

There was another one on these forums using a public key he wasn't able to read. He didn't reply to encypted messages and answered the clear text messages. It is sad but not everyone is using pgp and identity thiefs know that.

Btw: you have to replace [q uote] with <quote> or something similar, otherwise your signed message turnes out to be not valid

[Buttercup]

@BigBadDPK - Sure. All I'm saying is that presenting a public key is no guarantee of identity. A scammer might try his luck to see if he got given the seller account, then scam the cleartext orders (or more clever - present a different public key on the market site), then just keep on going until someone caught him out.

Something's off, because either the poster 'Adventure Time' on this thread is mistaken (or downright lying)... or he's right and BF is not screening seller account requests adequately.

[mettadpr]

Adventure Time is NOT on Black Flag. There is a fake Adventure Time on Black Flag. I told mDPR about it, but he doesn't care. I think Black Flag will just fill up with name jacking scammers. They don't confirm vendors at all, in any way.

We do confirm vendors.  We do not confirm buyer accounts.  The 'Adventure Time' registered is a buyer, and will not be able to become a vendor without paying bond and confirming their identity.  I do not have time to go through all of the thousands of buyer accounts to make sure they are not using someones name.  The 'AdventureTime' account is not a vendor account.

As for the spam, I do NOT condone link spamming and I have asked my members not to engage in it.  I want to personally apologize to DPR for this behavior.

[Thehourofchaos]

the thousands of buyer accounts

shame there is not thousands of vendor accounts... lets not forget, with out the vendor accounts the buyer accounts are useless

I know you have only just started up but already this forum has a host of well known highly respected vendors ready to sign up and get back to business

Just my 0.2btc worth

-H

[monoxide]

I totally understand that it is an open beta but the site just looks like a high school kids project..Interesting though'

[MisterSister]

Why is there no "Black Market Reloaded Discussion" or "Sheep Marketplace Discussion"?  DPR is going out of his way to bring attention to this Project Black Flag, yet he claims over and over he doesn't endorse it, etc.

[Sarge]

Why is there no "Black Market Reloaded Discussion" or "Sheep Marketplace Discussion"?  DPR is going out of his way to bring attention to this Project Black Flag, yet he claims over and over he doesn't endorse it, etc.

DPR has nothing to do with Black Flags.

We are just collating the information in 1 thread. If we deleted all Black Flags threads, another one would just pop up.

[jakeyblues1987]

Id like to remind people that at least its more secure than going through email sales. If you were a well known vendor on SR and your keys match up and everyone uses encryption, its a safe way to do business. It may have its bugs and not be the prettiest but it works. If DPR and MDPR are on speaking terms, that to me is an indicator that at least MDPR isnt someone just trying to steal bitcoins. There are a few vendors who are notable from SR, including myself, who have had a sale on BF, and when my buyer finalizes and I see the money in my wallet, then whats the issue.....better than email transactions...and DEFINITLEY better than in person selling.

[shadowman]

I really hope Black Flag takes off. My issue so far, and the reason I have not yet placed any orders, is that I'm not sure I can trust it.

I see a few vendors, most of them have 'undisclosed' as their country of location - I only order domestically - but even more importantly, I'd like to see some feedback from other buyers that sounds legit. I want to know that this site is going to be around for more than a month or so. The last thing I want is to place an order and have it go unanswered (as happened on BMR) or some hassle in the order process that makes getting the product complicated, or my BtC confiscated the same way they were with the original SR ... .

I realize that this will take some time. I want to be part of the pilot and I know that trust takes more than one good experience by many people. My only suggestion would be if vendors start listing small order quantities, with their country of origin (include larger quantities right away if you want but include smaller as well) it would make ordering less of a risk. If I can risk a few BtC, like $70 or less, and have a good straight forward experience then I'm more likely to order again and in greater quantity the next time. 

That's my 2 BtC in input anyway.

[Dread Pirate Roberts]

Id like to remind people that at least its more secure than going through email sales. If you were a well known vendor on SR and your keys match up and everyone uses encryption, its a safe way to do business. It may have its bugs and not be the prettiest but it works. If DPR and MDPR are on speaking terms, that to me is an indicator that at least MDPR isnt someone just trying to steal bitcoins. There are a few vendors who are notable from SR, including myself, who have had a sale on BF, and when my buyer finalizes and I see the money in my wallet, then whats the issue.....better than email transactions...and DEFINITLEY better than in person selling.

Myself and MDPR on speaking terms does not verify the authenticity of either market. Just as I have said I will pass no judgement on the authenticity of the site, he has not passed judgement on ours either. We are simply acknowledging each other and hoping for healthy competition.

[MisterSister]

Why is there no "Black Market Reloaded Discussion" or "Sheep Marketplace Discussion"?  DPR is going out of his way to bring attention to this Project Black Flag, yet he claims over and over he doesn't endorse it, etc.

DPR has nothing to do with Black Flags.

We are just collating the information in 1 thread. If we deleted all Black Flags threads, another one would just pop up.

Why hasn't all the BMR or SM information been collated into one thread?

[Veetano]

Project Black Flag is definitely a FED Run site. All of the proof is in the simple fact that the person who started it(a well known scammer, and frequently accused LE vendor) somehow made the site be able to let people log in with their old SR logins.

How is this possible you might wonder? The only explanation is that whoever set up this site had access to the servers recently before(or after) the seizure and copied them directly to their new host. Now who the fuck could that be. Take a wild guess. FEDS.

I posted this on the old forums as well but this needs to be brought to everyones attention. Everyone has noticed that they are able to log in with their old forum information, which as many have pointed out, is INCREDIBLY suspicious.

http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=221773.0

[BigBadDPK]

Project Black Flag is definitely a FED Run site. All of the proof is in the simple fact that the person who started it(a well known scammer, and frequently accused LE vendor) somehow made the site be able to let people log in with their old SR logins.

How is this possible you might wonder? The only explanation is that whoever set up this site had access to the servers recently before(or after) the seizure and copied them directly to their new host. Now who the fuck could that be. Take a wild guess. FEDS.

I posted this on the old forums as well but this needs to be brought to everyones attention. Everyone has noticed that they are able to log in with their old forum information, which as many have pointed out, is INCREDIBLY suspicious.

http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=221773.0

Can i buy some crack off of you?

just tried my old vendor and buyer log on and they didnt work so care to explain?

[DefyCode]

Yeah mine didnt work either....

[ToucanSam]

Project Black Flag is definitely a FED Run site. All of the proof is in the simple fact that the person who started it(a well known scammer, and frequently accused LE vendor) somehow made the site be able to let people log in with their old SR logins.

How is this possible you might wonder? The only explanation is that whoever set up this site had access to the servers recently before(or after) the seizure and copied them directly to their new host. Now who the fuck could that be. Take a wild guess. FEDS.

I posted this on the old forums as well but this needs to be brought to everyones attention. Everyone has noticed that they are able to log in with their old forum information, which as many have pointed out, is INCREDIBLY suspicious.

http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=221773.0

Bad form, Mr. One & Only Post.... Be a man and use your real forum account so we know who the real douche bag is behind the posts and when you say something like this "(a well known scammer, and frequently accused LE vendor)"... If its so well known, then post something to back up your claims... Otherwise you are just blowing smoke out of your ass.

[sO_Raspy]

I checked out PBF, and it looks like a place i can jive with. That  is if it turns out legit..

As of now be it legit or a honeypot, it is far to dead for me to feel comfortable placing an order.

[Moltisanti]

My first post.  I usually lurk and read/learn.  I have no credibility here, so take that as it is.

I just want to say this.  If indeed you can login to Project Black Flag with your old SR username/login, in my experience, this would indicate a FED honeypot. 

Let me use an example of another Federal bust that occured some while ago.  The torrent site demonoid was shut down.  Over time, a site pops up claiming that it's carrying the torch from demonoid.  People could login using their old login/password.  I am talking about d2.vu, and most of the torrent community labels it as a FED honeypot.  That site has zero activity, claims that malware was being injected from the site etc.

So let me draw some comparisons.  The feds just took down freedom hosting and tried to infect/expose users with a javascript exploit.

They are in possession of SR's servers, as they did with demonoids, therefore they have the database.  Both federally confiscated sites pop up with sites that claim to be carrying the torch of the previous incarnation, and somehow magically have the database of the original?  Again, I can't confirm if logging into PBF with old credidentials is true, but if true, this should be a huge cause for concern.

Does PBF feel like a ghost town?  Zero activity, any sense of community?  I know d2.vu had zero activity.

My last question is, where's the endorsement?  If PBF has the database, is there anyone endorsing them?  Any one admin/moderator from SR vouch for these people?

[Balian]

My first post.  I usually lurk and read/learn.  I have no credibility here, so take that as it is.

I just want to say this.  If indeed you can login to Project Black Flag with your old SR username/login, in my experience, this would indicate a FED honeypot. 

Let me use an example of another Federal bust that occured some while ago.  The torrent site demonoid was shut down.  Over time, a site pops up claiming that it's carrying the torch from demonoid.  People could login using their old login/password.  I am talking about d2.vu, and most of the torrent community labels it as a FED honeypot.  That site has zero activity, claims that malware was being injected from the site etc.

So let me draw some comparisons.  The feds just took down freedom hosting and tried to infect/expose users with a javascript exploit.

They are in possession of SR's servers, as they did with demonoids, therefore they have the database.  Both federally confiscated sites pop up with sites that claim to be carrying the torch of the previous incarnation, and somehow magically have the database of the original?  Again, I can't confirm if logging into PBF with old credidentials is true, but if true, this should be a huge cause for concern.

Does PBF feel like a ghost town?  Zero activity, any sense of community?  I know d2.vu had zero activity.

My last question is, where's the endorsement?  If PBF has the database, is there anyone endorsing them?  Any one admin/moderator from SR vouch for these people?

You can't log into PBF with old SR user names and as far as I know never have been able to, just a heap of conspiracy theories coz no one knows going around about to many things.

Sure it's a bit slow to take off but so was sheep and BMR for months before SR went down and it is stil in beta

Play it safe use PGP and different passwords for each site.

[Moltisanti]

You can't log into PBF with old SR user names and as far as I know never have been able to, just a heap of conspiracy theories coz no one knows going around about to many things.

Sure it's a bit slow to take off but so was sheep and BMR for months before SR went down and it is stil in beta

Play it safe use PGP and different passwords for each site.

Thank you for clearing that up.  I wasn't making any accusations, because I'm not up to speed on a lot of recent events.  There were a lot of questions and if's in my post that I felt needed addressing.

If trusted vendors feel comfortable at PBF and we can verify their PGP key, then by all means in the future it's great having another marketplace to rely upon. 

[bookittymew]

I am put off using it because of all this spamming.

a site that tries that hard or promos itself in the way it has been doing does not install confidence in me.

Maybe SOME of our members are spamming, but I think it's a bunch of bored kiddies trolling. Our board is small and knows the meaning of netiquette, something most forums are lacking these days. We don't tolerate trolls or spammers well in our forums, neither should anyone else.

[Sweetheart]

I have a question about the recent talk of old SR username's working.

The people that posted this info were Original SR Forum members with established accounts.  I do not expect that they were lying, however it is possible.  Let's assume and err on the side of caution, that this is in fact the case.

If the creator of PBF helped create the site or was running SR at the time of the take down, is it possible that he may have access to a back up server (DPR stated more than once that we have several back up servers in different areas) and that is how these 'wires' got crossed?

All I'm asking is, is this a remote possibility?  If it's not, and the only possibility of this happening is that the feds are using the current info they have to launch a honeypot, then we should be worried. 

I have had a lot of faith in this new project, and yet this recent news got me thinking.  We need to assume that these guys are telling the truth, but we shouldn't rule out any possibility that perhaps mdpr is working off of information obtained from back up servers.

[bookittymew]

Project Black Flag is definitely a FED Run site. All of the proof is in the simple fact that the person who started it(a well known scammer, and frequently accused LE vendor) somehow made the site be able to let people log in with their old SR logins.

How is this possible you might wonder? The only explanation is that whoever set up this site had access to the servers recently before(or after) the seizure and copied them directly to their new host. Now who the fuck could that be. Take a wild guess. FEDS.

I posted this on the old forums as well but this needs to be brought to everyones attention. Everyone has noticed that they are able to log in with their old forum information, which as many have pointed out, is INCREDIBLY suspicious.

http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=221773.0

Please provide us with links that verify claims of people be scammed by the admin. An SOS rating, anything you got.

[bookittymew]

I have a question about the recent talk of old SR username's working.

The people that posted this info were Original SR Forum members with established accounts.  I do not expect that they were lying, however it is possible.  Let's assume and err on the side of caution, that this is in fact the case.

If the creator of PBF helped create the site or was running SR at the time of the take down, is it possible that he may have access to a back up server (DPR stated more than once that we have several back up servers in different areas) and that is how these 'wires' got crossed?

All I'm asking is, is this a remote possibility?  If it's not, and the only possibility of this happening is that the feds are using the current info they have to launch a honeypot, then we should be worried. 

I have had a lot of faith in this new project, and yet this recent news got me thinking.  We need to assume that these guys are telling the truth, but we shouldn't rule out any possibility that perhaps mdpr is working off of information obtained from back up servers.

PBF is either modifying templates or building from scratch. The site has NOTHING to do with any of the software on SR's servers. The user database is new. We've all been bangin away at the login and nobody thus far has been able to reproduce these people's claims.

[Sweetheart]

I have a question about the recent talk of old SR username's working.

The people that posted this info were Original SR Forum members with established accounts.  I do not expect that they were lying, however it is possible.  Let's assume and err on the side of caution, that this is in fact the case.

If the creator of PBF helped create the site or was running SR at the time of the take down, is it possible that he may have access to a back up server (DPR stated more than once that we have several back up servers in different areas) and that is how these 'wires' got crossed?

All I'm asking is, is this a remote possibility?  If it's not, and the only possibility of this happening is that the feds are using the current info they have to launch a honeypot, then we should be worried. 

I have had a lot of faith in this new project, and yet this recent news got me thinking.  We need to assume that these guys are telling the truth, but we shouldn't rule out any possibility that perhaps mdpr is working off of information obtained from back up servers.

PBF is either modifying templates or building from scratch. The site has NOTHING to do with any of the software on SR's servers. The user database is new. We've all been bangin away at the login and nobody thus far has been able to reproduce these people's claims.

It would make since that if once we heard this was a problem, that the goof would be fixed right away so nobody could have this happen again though right?  So it's possible/likely that just because it cannot be re-created days later does not mean anything.

I'm a big advocate of this site (just look at my post history) but I'm also cautious so I just want to ask the obvious questions.  The only possibilities are the following-

The posters were fibbing about the log in or mistaken
The site is using back up servers/info found on them or
The site is using server info post take down

[DefyCode]

I wasnt able to login but maybe...

This was possible and as soon as the first alert was posted here and in the original SRF, the feds quickly fixed their error so now we can't login with our old info....

[bookittymew]

Not possible, these claims (at least the three that I personally saw) were each about 3 days apart. If our site was built from SR's backups we would have a slicker user interface and would not have had to go through beta the way we are, i.e. streamlining payment issues, menus, payment bugs.

But it looks like we're there. It's running really well, we just need the wallets set up correctly and the n00bs can fund directly from the BTC vendors on site.

[Sweetheart]

Not possible, these claims (at least the three that I personally saw) were each about 3 days apart. If our site was built from SR's backups we would have a slicker user interface and would not have had to go through beta the way we are, i.e. streamlining payment issues, menus, payment bugs.

But it looks like we're there. It's running really well, we just need the wallets set up correctly and the n00bs can fund directly from the BTC vendors on site.

That's a really good point....If they were three days apart, then you're right.  It's also possible that it was a glitch that allowed any username and any password to allow a log in too, which is something I had not thought of.  THAT is probably the most likely scenario- would you agree with that? 

[jakeyblues1987]

in a week they went from 0 to over 150 things for sale, in a beta stage I think thats pretty good. just pgp everything disable javascript and you should be fine, and this goes for any site.

[bookittymew]

Not possible, these claims (at least the three that I personally saw) were each about 3 days apart. If our site was built from SR's backups we would have a slicker user interface and would not have had to go through beta the way we are, i.e. streamlining payment issues, menus, payment bugs.

But it looks like we're there. It's running really well, we just need the wallets set up correctly and the n00bs can fund directly from the BTC vendors on site.

That's a really good point....If they were three days apart, then you're right.  It's also possible that it was a glitch that allowed any username and any password to allow a log in too, which is something I had not thought of.  THAT is probably the most likely scenario- would you agree with that?

I think they are lying. I had quite a few SR accounts and could not reproduce.

[dreamcast]

It's also possible that it was a glitch that allowed any username and any password to allow a log in too

This was my first thought when I heard that people could log in with their old usernames. Seems more likely than anything else.

[vitesse]

They have a thread where you can make deals out of escrow. Scammers Paradise:-

http://blackiiw5nozs6i5.onion/index.php?topic=279.0

[Clarity]

ajd4yqq7ngzmqo3p.onion

Is this the right link I got ?

Cheers

[BigBadDPK]

ajd4yqq7ngzmqo3p.onion

Is this the right link I got ?

Cheers

yes and the Forums are located at http://blackiiw5nozs6i5.onion/

[thrasher]

They have a thread where you can make deals out of escrow. Scammers Paradise:-

http://blackiiw5nozs6i5.onion/index.php?topic=279.0

People who are dumb enough to make purchases out of escrow on a forum get exactly what they deserve.

[BigBadDPK]

They have a thread where you can make deals out of escrow. Scammers Paradise:-

http://blackiiw5nozs6i5.onion/index.php?topic=279.0

People who are dumb enough to make purchases out of escrow on a forum get exactly what they deserve.

they are not making purchases they are bartering for other goods

[bookittymew]

They have a thread where you can make deals out of escrow. Scammers Paradise:-

http://blackiiw5nozs6i5.onion/index.php?topic=279.0

Shut up and read the thread you posted before you post it.

[MisterSister]

Why is there no "Black Market Reloaded Discussion" or "Sheep Marketplace Discussion"?  DPR is going out of his way to bring attention to this Project Black Flag, yet he claims over and over he doesn't endorse it, etc.

DPR has nothing to do with Black Flags.

We are just collating the information in 1 thread. If we deleted all Black Flags threads, another one would just pop up.

Why hasn't all the BMR or SM information been collated into one thread?

Still curious about this....

[BDA]

im on there, and have made one sale. The site has some bugs...but its good as long as you know the seller and pgp everything

Not even been there yet but if you know the seller and use pgp for everything then it's just a question of whether you trust their escrow - because if you know the seller the marketplace is redundant.

[aussieoutlaw]

They have new mods...ready.........never used a market before......never purchased online........these are facts stated by him..............ganja......lol your fucking kidding lol, that says it all, kitty go over there, there was 6 people there just then.......also first posting of URL was .to.    When I seen it I posted what's this oh doesn't matter ,who needs tor? No idea the kids over there. Kitty cat relax I know the score  lol, I was giving it a look until I seen ganja......lol he's giving security advice, how to allow captcha whilst using tor,,,give me a break, the guy is a funny prick for the fact that he is a new ,knows it or knew it, he locked a thread for spamming before lol, he turned everyone off that place with his spamming here,  meow you know what a cat is don't you, sailor

[Skyfall]

They have new mods...ready.........never used a market before......never purchased online........these are facts stated by him..............ganja......lol your fucking kidding lol, that says it all, kitty go over there, there was 6 people there just then.......also first posting of URL was .to.    When I seen it I posted what's this oh doesn't matter ,who needs tor? No idea the kids over there. Kitty cat relax I know the score  lol, I was giving it a look until I seen ganja......lol he's giving security advice, how to allow captcha whilst using tor,,,give me a break, the guy is a funny prick for the fact that he is a new ,knows it or knew it, he locked a thread for spamming before lol, he turned everyone off that place with his spamming here,  meow you know what a cat is don't you, sailor

What the fuck did you happen to ingest, good sir?

[MushGoo]

They have new mods...ready.........never used a market before......never purchased online........these are facts stated by him..............ganja......lol your fucking kidding lol, that says it all, kitty go over there, there was 6 people there just then.......also first posting of URL was .to.    When I seen it I posted what's this oh doesn't matter ,who needs tor? No idea the kids over there. Kitty cat relax I know the score  lol, I was giving it a look until I seen ganja......lol he's giving security advice, how to allow captcha whilst using tor,,,give me a break, the guy is a funny prick for the fact that he is a new ,knows it or knew it, he locked a thread for spamming before lol, he turned everyone off that place with his spamming here,  meow you know what a cat is don't you, sailor

What the fuck did you happen to ingest, good sir?

Skyfall, you just made my morning. I laughed my ass off.

[MushGoo]

I didn't read all of the posts, so I apologize if someone else said most of this, I know it's long-winded. Sorry, heh.

I'm getting flustered with so many people talking shit about all the different markets. WE'RE LETTING THE FEDS WIN. We should all stand as one gigantic community.

Veetano, if you can post the handles of those users (and they have more than 51 posts) who claimed to have been able to log in to PBF with their SR account details, along with links to the threads in which they stated this information, I for one will take you seriously! Until then, I think it's absolutely rude and absolutely barbarous to make such claims about mettaDPR's marketplace.

I will admit, I thought it was a wee bit indecorous that he/she was going to use Silk Road's name without having any ties to the original site besides buying and/or selling on it, but now that I saw the official name is "Project: Black Flag", I have no qualms what-so-ever, and I'll personally start vending there once I can sign up for a vendor account.

As for your claims that mettaDPR is a known scammer, if you can give me his/her handle(s) in which people were scammed, and I can actually find multiple posts about it on these forums, I'll retract my last statement and will stay far away from the site. Obviously, there will also need to be proof that mettaDPR is whoever you claim he/she is if and when you reply with the handle they scammed with.

Again, I think you should stop making unsubstantiated claims. If you are going to try to steer people away from this PBF, please at least try to back it up some how. It's absolutely unfair to mettaDPR and whoever else he/she is working with on their new marketplace to have their site badmouthed without anything to back it up. You've probably already scared an assload of people away from their hard work, seeing as how this thread has been read 936 times (at the time of making this post).

And honestly my friend, if they had a backup of the servers, it would only take a day to slap the site up. I'm a web designer, and if I had a backup of the SR server (or even just the source code and supporting files alone), I could have a working site replicated and launched within 5 hours. If it was law enforcement's plan to set up a honeypot, the site would have been prepared before SR was seized, and would have been launched within a day. Even if FBI were to reconstruct a brand new marketplace, it wouldn't look as shitty as PBF does. I was making nicer layouts when I was 10 years old (not talking shit, it kinda sounds like it though). You think FBI would pussyfoot around and launch an ugly site in beta? No, they'd launch an exact replica or a much nicer site without a beta testing stage so people wouldn't question the creators' coding skills.

All of that said, Veetano, if you honestly experienced what you claimed about logging in with out details, along with multiple other people, I sincerely apologize and truly want to say thank you for giving myself and the community a heads up. Unfortunately, with everyone talking trash about each others' markets of choice, we can't go on trust... you need to give some supporting evidence to your claims. If you seriously had the aforementioned experience with your name and password, PLEASE post links to other people stating such as well.

Honestly, if it actually did happen, and the creator of the site was working on the site after launching it, he/she could have been editing script with the login form to where you could have typed "UTR87asdfjhkbsfiuh" as username and "&TVIYTBB&%FYKJ)*&" as password and it could grant you access and say "Welcome UTR87asdfjhkbsfiuh!" However, this obviously wouldn't hold true (it technically COULD, but would be HIGHLY unlikely to hold true) if when you stated, "According to some people when they tried to create an account with their old login info, it said the account was already created, at which point they tried to log in, and did so successfully." was the real, honest truth. If you could please post links, I (and probably MANY others) would GREATLY appreciate it! Thank you buddy!

I'm not trying to bust your balls, I really just feel like these cats deserve a chance and think there should be something to validate your claims, just so we know you're not talking mess.

Thanks for the time you spend posting this information! If it's true, please respond with usernames and links to their statements, as well as proof that mettaDPR is a scammer. Thanks brother! Namaste!

Love, Love, Love!
MushGoo

[MushGoo]

Also, just wanted to say I'm not trying to spam for his/her site, just got really irritated that someone was putting down another being's hard work without anything to back it up. Namaste!

Love, Love, Love!
MushGoo

[longliverock]

Also, just wanted to say I'm not trying to spam for his/her site, just got really irritated that someone was putting down another being's hard work without anything to back it up. Namaste!

Love, Love, Love!
MushGoo

+1 if I could. I know I haven't been near the site because of the rumors/fact/innuendos posted.

[bookittymew]

They have new mods...ready.........never used a market before......never purchased online........these are facts stated by him..............ganja......lol your fucking kidding lol, that says it all, kitty go over there, there was 6 people there just then.......also first posting of URL was .to.    When I seen it I posted what's this oh doesn't matter ,who needs tor? No idea the kids over there. Kitty cat relax I know the score  lol, I was giving it a look until I seen ganja......lol he's giving security advice, how to allow captcha whilst using tor,,,give me a break, the guy is a funny prick for the fact that he is a new ,knows it or knew it, he locked a thread for spamming before lol, he turned everyone off that place with his spamming here,  meow you know what a cat is don't you, sailor

I like Ganja, nice kid, but yes a n00b. I had inquired about moderating and then I saw Ganja up there and you know what? For now that's okay with me. I'm not sure I'd want to put in the time and effort and not sure I'd want to be anything near responsible if anyone gets in trouble. i'm allergic to cops and I'm a mean motherfucker, i.e. they don't take to me well either.

I don't know what kind of scene you are in IRL, but I hang out with a lot of burners. When you go to a regional burn we have appointed "Rangers" kinda like hippie cops. They are there to keep order and make sure everyone is safe and follows the rules.

Most Rangers are ADD village idiots, kind of like that kid in school who was a hall monitor and tried out for the police several times but keeps flunking the test. What does that fool do now? He writes parking tickets.

I'm being patient with BF and also with SR as I build up my coinage. I have a lot of faith in BF and I'm quite wary of SR. Why BF? It's something new. Why wary of SR? There were things they could have had in place and that we promised were implemented that did not exist. Everyone got robbed. I do not think anyone could be that close to Ulbricht and not demand there be a way to make sure there was a dead man's switch.

Maybe it was a dictatorship and their hands were tied, but only they really know.

What I do know is that BF is up and running and nobody has any clue who our founder is IRL, which is the most important thing.

[bookittymew]

And honestly my friend, if they had a backup of the servers, it would only take a day to slap the site up.

Oh My Fucking God Thank You! I didn't want to be the one to say that the backup claim was all bullshit and fluff. Here's a man who understands reason.

[aussieoutlaw]

I just think its a bit irresponsible having him there advising new players on security. When I started if a mod suggested something, like Astor,cirrus , that was pretty much good enough for me. I probably , o I did learn more from these two than everything else combined ,reading watching etc. Instead of him giving advice maybe he should steer them to guys like you, I like the layout there ,probably best of all mettadpr is a genius, nothing but respect for him, but letting a ganja , who I find funny actually, be mods is a mistake.

[Sweetheart]

I just think its a bit irresponsible having him there advising new players on security. When I started if a mod suggested something, like Astor,cirrus , that was pretty much good enough for me. I probably , o I did learn more from these two than everything else combined ,reading watching etc. Instead of him giving advice maybe he should steer them to guys like you, I like the layout there ,probably best of all mettadpr is a genius, nothing but respect for him, but letting a ganja , who I find funny actually, be mods is a mistake.

I think he's a good mod in the sense that, sometimes a mod just needs to be just that, a mod.  The SR community had/has a wonderful thing going where we are lucky enough to have this evolved culture of top of the line 'advisers'.  Projects like BF will take longer to grow like SR did.   I think Ganja is nice, well spoken, and fast to act when needed.  He may not be a security wiz, maybe that's not his strength and if that's the case, should keep his advice on that topic to a minimum.   But I think it's unfair to say he's a bad mod just because his strengths aren't there in particular. 

[aussieoutlaw]

OK sweetheart that's what I should have wrote. I like his posts I've stated that all along, he should keep his advice to things not linked to security. His enthuasiasm is admirable and someone needs to harness it.

[Psilocin]

I don't trust this Black Flag. To much copycat for me of the good old Silk Road.

But i will stay low and have my hopes on the launch date. To make a sellers account on BMR or Sheep i am going to wait because if the new road opens then all buyers will go back to there as well.

The admins of Sheep and BMR will be thank full for all the buyers and sellers who now are there to sell and consume. I love the Silk Road so i will keep
following these topics and will be glad to set up my listings again. Also i am going to change the VIP status that clients could have after buying at least once off me.

Yep i am full of fresh ideas and also have a nice new batch heroin nr3.

My hopes are high.

Psilocin

[Enoch Thompson]

Project Black Flag is definitely a FED Run site. All of the proof is in the simple fact that the person who started it(a well known scammer, and frequently accused LE vendor) somehow made the site be able to let people log in with their old SR logins.

How is this possible you might wonder? The only explanation is that whoever set up this site had access to the servers recently before(or after) the seizure and copied them directly to their new host. Now who the fuck could that be. Take a wild guess. FEDS.

I posted this on the old forums as well but this needs to be brought to everyones attention. Everyone has noticed that they are able to log in with their old forum information, which as many have pointed out, is INCREDIBLY suspicious.

http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=221773.0

Can i buy some crack off of you?

just tried my old vendor and buyer log on and they didnt work so care to explain?

As I previously predicted in your now non-existent warning post.  You were silenced. No sense trying to change people's minds.  Just hang back with me and others 'til the dust settles. 

[NO HALF MEASURES]

Project Black Flag is a FED RUN Honey Pot - DETAILS INSIDE - YOU ARE WARNED
« on: October 21, 2013, 02:54 am »
Lets put aside the fact that MettaDPR is a well known scammer(something LE are known to do) and focus on what many people have been pointing out.

A lot of people are noticing they can log into Project Black Flag with their old SR logins. Now, think about that for a minute. This would seem to imply that whoever started Project Black Flag did so with a copy and with a server database of all of the user logins, almost as if they had access to the server at the time of it's siezure. OH GOLLY I WONDER WHY THAT IS.

This Black Flag crap came up very rapidly after the main site was shut down, and they seem to have based their site very closely on original server files. Now the fact that this crap isn't endorsed by any moderators here, and that they somehow have all of the old SR logins and forum, and site, is a HUGE RED FLAG. Black Flag? RED FLAG.

You have been warned. Trust your gut, and pay attention - do not be stupid.

The only sites I would even consider suggest vendors use in the meantime are
BMR - Since it has been around since SR was started, it is unlikely to be a honeypot.
and the future site[ http://silkroad5v7dywlc.onion/ ]  as posted by Liberats in: http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=219584.0

The reason I do not add sheep to this list is because the site is very poorely put together with numerous security flaws and if it is not shut down yet, I would not be surprised if it's gone tomorrow. Many users have demonstrated how effortlessly Sheeps' admin's real identity was found out by novice internet users. If you vendors want to risk your thousands of dollars in coins in escrow on that site, then by all means use it, but you most likely lose them when the site is shut down.


Though if you are reading this now, then you can KNOW FOR A FACT.... that Project "Black Flag" Is MOST DEFINITELY a FED Honey Pot. Maybe you will be able to use it safely if you use PGP, but your coins are going to be at risk for escrow, FEDS will have all of your inside coin information and info on where you transfer them to, as well as any sensitive message data, etc. There are bound to be buyers who will slip up and not use PGP, and they will be fucked when they slip.

You have been warned. Open your eyes.

See you all on the official SR forum as we await the new official site release.


This has gone up on the old forum ?? just thought i'd post it for interests sake.....

[BlueGiraffe]

We have just listed on Black Flag: http://ajd4yqq7ngzmqo3p.onion/index.php?target=user&id=bluegiraffe

It is an experiment, and I will report the results here:

While our true spiritual home is most certainly the new Silk Road associated with these forums, that is being built by DPR (the only Captain to whom I presently give my allegiance), I have decided in the meantime to list on BMR (my first choice), Sheep and now Black Flag as way of providing a comprehensive opportunity for our buyers to reconnect with us without limitation.

We will not list on Deepbay as it appears that Javascript is required for vendors to use that site properly. And that is a total no-no for us, and should be for everyone.

I have read all the posts suggesting that some people could log in to Black Flag with their old SR account details. Personally I am a little dubious about this and the suggestions that it is a Fed honeypot etc, as there seems to be very little real corroboration of this.

That said, everyone needs to presume that all markets could be directly controlled by LE and act accordingly. This has been stated before and it is absolutely the right way to approach business. If everyone operates on this basis, PGP's all critical communications, and takes all appropriate security measures, then it does not matter who runs the market.

In that spirit I wish to give these other markets their fair opportunity to become something, and I actually appreciate MDPR's efforts in this regard. Vendors take the greatest risk in relation to a suspect market as they could loose all their coins in escrow on any day. And that risk is what needs to be managed all the time - and frankly I feel less than totally happy in this regard on any of the other markets.

So I leave it up to my buyers to choose how they wish to transact with us. We even have some who choose to deal directly with us by email outside of escrow. While it is not our preference we do support it.

Going forward, I wish Black Flag every success, and MDPR courage, wisdom and fortitude as he attempts to build another succesful market.

And may the real Silk Road rise again soon!

BG

(Details regarding our return to active vending here: http://silkroad5v7dywlc.onion/index.php?topic=739.0)

[Sir William Wonka]

Please place all discussions around Project Blag Flag below. Setting up additional topics may be considered spam and deleted. Myself and mettaDPR have agreed not to spam each other but having removed 12 topics in 4 hours for outright spamming links, it is clear this agreement is not being respected. Any additional topics or posting links not inside this topic will be removed immediately.

ai checked the site out and it is complete garbage.  Hard to navigate and not user friendly.  Silk road es numero uno

[BlueGiraffe]

Please place all discussions around Project Blag Flag below. Setting up additional topics may be considered spam and deleted. Myself and mettaDPR have agreed not to spam each other but having removed 12 topics in 4 hours for outright spamming links, it is clear this agreement is not being respected. Any additional topics or posting links not inside this topic will be removed immediately.

ai checked the site out and it is complete garbage.  Hard to navigate and not user friendly.  Silk road es numero uno

It's VERY basic, but actually very easy to navigate - and it's pretty clear and simple. It's certainly not ideal, but it's a decent work in progress. It appears that hardly anyone is there though, so not very practical yet! But I definitely want to give them a chance to become something...

BG

[ProEvo]

Yeah it's very quiet over there. I imagine a lot of people are just going to wait for SR to come online.

[darkbud]

is new DPR working in police department ? How can somebody know ? Probably yes

[TheRealYoda]

Healthy, competition is.  Yeesssssss.

[dingwall_3]

id spam sr2.0 links on pfb's forum but there isnt a sr2.0 so what the fuck do u care wannadpr

DPR would not suggest that, even if there was a link.

You dont stoop to the level of spammers/scammers.

DPR, keep in mind, it may not be PBF's admins/employees doing this.
I find it admirable that DPR and MDPR are on speaking terms, i think it would be beneficial to the deepweb community if communication amongst site owners was maintained periodically. You all have the same goals, sharing info and knowledge may help.

yeah your right, DPR would never attack another site  -)

[Fluffhead!]

id spam sr2.0 links on pfb's forum but there isnt a sr2.0 so what the fuck do u care wannadpr

DPR would not suggest that, even if there was a link.

You dont stoop to the level of spammers/scammers.

DPR, keep in mind, it may not be PBF's admins/employees doing this.
I find it admirable that DPR and MDPR are on speaking terms, i think it would be beneficial to the deepweb community if communication amongst site owners was maintained periodically. You all have the same goals, sharing info and knowledge may help.

yeah your right, DPR would never attack another site  -)

Doesnt need to, he can create his own and steal millions.

Thanks for ruining the dream DPR2