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Discussion => Silk Road discussion => Topic started by: Dread Pirate Roberts on August 21, 2013, 08:20 pm
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first off, everyone's alias was reset recently back to their main account names. This was a mistake, but unfortunately is irreversible, so I just went ahead and removed every discussion post so far because there was no way of knowing who was affected. Also, when you click "remove" on one of your posts, it will remove it entirely instead of just saying "(deleted)".
There are a few concerns that have been brought up about this feature and I would like to address them now.
Q: Is it going to be a free for all full of scams and spam?
A: Hopefully not. There is currently a $100 minimum spent requirement for posting, and our admins have the power to suspend an accounts ability to post. So, if anyone is abusing the system, they will have to spend another $100 at least to do it again. I can't see this being profitable, but if it is and we have a systemic problem, we can always raise this requirement.
Q: Won't vendors be able to know who is posting since they can see their customer's stats?
A: Yes. However that is only true for a small window of time when they have access to the buyer's stats and the buyer's stats haven't changed. If this is a concern for you, then you should not post in the threads of vendor that can make this deduction
Q: Isn't this redundant since we have the rumor mill forum board?
A: There is a certain amount of overlap, but I think this is a much improved system at least in concept and we can keep working at it to make it better. It is much more convenient to have the thread associated with the category/vendor/item right there on the site. A user's stats (reputation) is right there, helping people know who's posts to trust.
Q: Shouldn't a vendor be able to opt out?
A: They can opt out by going into stealth mode. If they want to be a public SR vendor, then people should have the option to discuss them and their items.
One concern that was raised is the pain it will be for vendors to check the discussions for all of their various items. This is valid and I have it on the list to make this easier for them.
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Thank you for the updates DPR, you are doing great work as always!
Peace
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Please increase the number of staff working when increasing site features. It'll only be as good as its policed.
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Thanks for taking notice so quickly. I realized that it would be difficult to rollback the change of aliases but figured informing people of the situation would help people to realize and fix the problem faster.
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Please increase the number of staff working when increasing site features. It'll only be as good as its policed.
we have a full-time admin who's top priority is reviewing flagged posts. We are committed to reviewing flags at least once per 24 hour period, but will monitor it more frequently when possible. If it becomes too much for one person to handle, we'll bring in more people. Please help us by flagging posts that aren't polite and on-topic.
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Excellent DPR :) good work. love this feature.
1 discuss button per vendor, instead of per item is probalby all thats needed :) But its definitely an improvement
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Please increase the number of staff working when increasing site features. It'll only be as good as its policed.
we have a full-time admin who's top priority is reviewing flagged posts. We are committed to reviewing flags at least once per 24 hour period, but will monitor it more frequently when possible. If it becomes too much for one person to handle, we'll bring in more people. Please help us by flagging posts that aren't polite and on-topic.
hi hi DPR
i appreciate your replies on this matter, however i still respectfully disagree with the notion of having main site discussion at all. i think it's a bit of a stretch to force vendors to go stealth to avoid discussion (and subsequently losing the item placement in the category as well). and i maintain my original opinion that the forum is the proper location for any "discussions"
furthermore, $100 to make a comment is peanuts. i also respectfully disagree that checking discussion flags once per 24 hours is "quick enough" it really should be immediate, and since this is humanly impossible, i feel the feature should not exist in the first place.
that's my 2 satoshi, obviously you have different feelings. unfortunately, your opinion is the one that gets implemented as you are the boss, so i'm just letting the world know how i feel. hopefully the push back will persuade you to ditch it.
xoxo
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Awesome update! giving the people what they want
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Please increase the number of staff working when increasing site features. It'll only be as good as its policed.
we have a full-time admin who's top priority is reviewing flagged posts. We are committed to reviewing flags at least once per 24 hour period, but will monitor it more frequently when possible. If it becomes too much for one person to handle, we'll bring in more people. Please help us by flagging posts that aren't polite and on-topic.
hi hi DPR
i appreciate your replies on this matter, however i still respectfully disagree with the notion of having main site discussion at all. i think it's a bit of a stretch to force vendors to go stealth to avoid discussion (and subsequently losing the item placement in the category as well). and i maintain my original opinion that the forum is the proper location for any "discussions"
furthermore, $100 to make a comment is peanuts. i also respectfully disagree that checking discussion flags once per 24 hours is "quick enough" it really should be immediate, and since this is humanly impossible, i feel the feature should not exist in the first place.
that's my 2 satoshi, obviously you have different feelings. unfortunately, your opinion is the one that gets implemented as you are the boss, so i'm just letting the world know how i feel. hopefully the push back will persuade you to ditch it.
xoxo
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if $100 isn't enough, we'll raise it. If 24 hrs isn't enough, we'll decrease it. If there are still major problems that can't be solved, we'll abandon it. I've yet to hear a good argument for why the forum is a better place to discuss vendors/items/categories than directly at those places.
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*grabs popcorn*
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Looks like I can have a field day with my crawler again. Although I think the feds have beat me to it.
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Please increase the number of staff working when increasing site features. It'll only be as good as its policed.
we have a full-time admin who's top priority is reviewing flagged posts. We are committed to reviewing flags at least once per 24 hour period, but will monitor it more frequently when possible. If it becomes too much for one person to handle, we'll bring in more people. Please help us by flagging posts that aren't polite and on-topic.
hi hi DPR
i appreciate your replies on this matter, however i still respectfully disagree with the notion of having main site discussion at all. i think it's a bit of a stretch to force vendors to go stealth to avoid discussion (and subsequently losing the item placement in the category as well). and i maintain my original opinion that the forum is the proper location for any "discussions"
furthermore, $100 to make a comment is peanuts. i also respectfully disagree that checking discussion flags once per 24 hours is "quick enough" it really should be immediate, and since this is humanly impossible, i feel the feature should not exist in the first place.
that's my 2 satoshi, obviously you have different feelings. unfortunately, your opinion is the one that gets implemented as you are the boss, so i'm just letting the world know how i feel. hopefully the push back will persuade you to ditch it.
xoxo
-mb
if $100 isn't enough, we'll raise it. If 24 hrs isn't enough, we'll decrease it. If there are still major problems that can't be solved, we'll abandon it. I've yet to hear a good argument for why the forum is a better place to discuss vendors/items/categories than directly at those places.
dont abandon it :) It is AWESOME.
I know Vendors get scammed too, but customers get scammed by vendors MUCH more frequently.
Its MUCH Better than the rumor mill in the forums for a couple of reasons.
1# Shills cant be made easily to discredit or credit vendors as it shows the stats/
2# 70% of SR users dont use the forums! so this brings out the discussion into the public for everyone
3# All vendors are on a level playing field. if they want to bitch. sell better product so you dont get as many complaints ;) I know there will be a bit of fake feedback, but if you have good product + service, real feedback will overcome this issue.
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Please increase the number of staff working when increasing site features. It'll only be as good as its policed.
we have a full-time admin who's top priority is reviewing flagged posts. We are committed to reviewing flags at least once per 24 hour period, but will monitor it more frequently when possible. If it becomes too much for one person to handle, we'll bring in more people. Please help us by flagging posts that aren't polite and on-topic.
hi hi DPR
i appreciate your replies on this matter, however i still respectfully disagree with the notion of having main site discussion at all. i think it's a bit of a stretch to force vendors to go stealth to avoid discussion (and subsequently losing the item placement in the category as well). and i maintain my original opinion that the forum is the proper location for any "discussions"
furthermore, $100 to make a comment is peanuts. i also respectfully disagree that checking discussion flags once per 24 hours is "quick enough" it really should be immediate, and since this is humanly impossible, i feel the feature should not exist in the first place.
that's my 2 satoshi, obviously you have different feelings. unfortunately, your opinion is the one that gets implemented as you are the boss, so i'm just letting the world know how i feel. hopefully the push back will persuade you to ditch it.
xoxo
-mb
if $100 isn't enough, we'll raise it. If 24 hrs isn't enough, we'll decrease it. If there are still major problems that can't be solved, we'll abandon it. I've yet to hear a good argument for why the forum is a better place to discuss vendors/items/categories than directly at those places.
how about linking for forum in a much more visible place having it at the bottom isn't that attention grabbing, like a large forums link on the top of the mainsite and perhaps when people first sign up give them a rundown on how important the forum is for knowing which vendors are trustworthy otherwise people will keep making the same mistakes and losing out on btc.
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how about linking for forum in a much more visible place having it at the bottom isn't that attention grabbing, like a large forums link on the top of the mainsite and perhaps when people first sign up give them a rundown on how important the forum is for knowing which vendors are trustworthy otherwise people will keep making the same mistakes and losing out on btc.
we direct new users to the "a few words from DPR" page which directs them to the forum. The support page also directs them here.
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how about linking for forum in a much more visible place having it at the bottom isn't that attention grabbing, like a large forums link on the top of the mainsite and perhaps when people first sign up give them a rundown on how important the forum is for knowing which vendors are trustworthy otherwise people will keep making the same mistakes and losing out on btc.
we direct new users to the "a few words from DPR" page which directs them to the forum. The support page also directs them here.
How about a mandatory forum link new people have to read and acknowledge before being able to purchase on the road when first signing up?
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Im lost, are buyers profile names in discussion posts being seen publicly or by the vendor or not at all anymore? How long are posts visible for? What if a vendor has a ton of customers and the threads get too long and cluttered?
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I asked in the other thread as well but I guess this thread will be more active.
Any chance that discussion could be limited to domestic when you have domestic only enabled? There were no posts to check with after it was reset, but when I was looking at it earlier the category discussion stayed worldwide. Not really possible to discuss domestic markets of smaller markets when the rest of the world is there as well. :p
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I've yet to hear a good argument for why the forum is a better place to discuss vendors/items/categories than directly at those places.
The Reddit Silk Road sub-forum is a perfect example of what happens when you get a bunch of buyers trashing vendors without moderation. You yourself have spoken about how unruly and unaccurate it is over there. The inmates are running the aslyum, and you will be importing that now.
How many times have you seen a buyer make a post in here slamming a vendor only to have the vendor paste the entire message history and expose the buyer as an obvious liar running a BS scam. You see this all the time in here. When you strip away a vendors ability to defend against the bullshit libel that will taint his listings you do little to add additional buyer security and just weaken an otherwise honest vendor.
In my humble opinion, two simple steps could achieve a similar result.
1. Create a sub-forum in here called Vendor Reviews. Make it open to everyone, including those with less than 50 posts.
2. Make it mandatory for all vendors to have a review thread in their listings. Most honest vendors do this already. (You make displaying PGP keys mandatory so this isn't that different).
You now gave an easy and quick way for the casual buyer to click a link to see the latest chatter on that vendor without having to create an account here.
Rogue posts can now be covered by the same moderators in here and the discussion will be more vibrant because it's not as disjointed and hard to access.
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Thanks for more information about the new feature. But this is disconcerting:
Q: Shouldn't a vendor be able to opt out?
A: They can opt out by going into stealth mode. If they want to be a public SR vendor, then people should have the option to discuss them and their items.
Many vendors will strongly disagree about the only option to disable it is to go stealth. That's certainly not fair nor congruent with the stealth options available for individual listings rather than going stealth for the entire account. Plus, everyone on SR can opt out of or into the category discussion by using or not using it.
Many vendors, including us, have stealth links for custom orders, special clients, out of stock items and for testing listings before making them public. We don't need to go into stealth mode for the account to conceal those relatively few individual listings.
Since vendors are able to individually select listings to be placed in stealth mode rather than going fully into stealth mode, there should be the option to disable discussion. This was not part of any agreement vendors signed on for like the understanding that commissions can be changed without notice. This is a feature.
Moreover, vendors are able to select pre or post commission pricing. They are able to opt in/out of auto-withdrawls, set backup wallets, choose to enable hedging or not. And even ask buyers to FE (if the vendor is past a certain threshold).
Is the future of SR going to be about less vendor options? Not feeling the free market vibe.
This new feature gets enforced but disallowing FE gets a blind eye? The ability of vendors and buyers to engage in Finalizing Early (FE) is the single most destructive attribute of SR and has lead to the loss of money and participants more so than any other activity or practice. But Libertarian values being as they are, make self determination and self responsibility an exercise for the individual. The individual can chose to FE or not. They can opt out of the escrow system at will and whim.
But we vendors can't opt out of a feature which was implemented without any input from vendors and deprives vendors of their free market, Libertarian right to self determination and personal responsibility.
But buyers who rightfully worry that their stats are in full public view which can lead to them being profiled and identified irrespective of an alias (whose feature had a bug that exposed their real buyer identities which I'm sure a lot of vendors took note of), can opt out of this feature by not using it.
There's a disconnect in there.
Please consider giving vendors the ability to opt out of this feature like all the many features vendors can opt in/out of. There are many vendors who do not like the feature and don't want it nor asked for it. It's not enough that a message can be flagged for review and *might* be removed within 24 hours. It's not enough that a poster can be banned from using the discussion system. (Though the $100 spending requirement is nice though, have to admit). The system can be used nefariously in subtle ways especially against new vendors who often have to endure feedback blackmail until they establish themselves.
Not asking to jettison the entire system. (Though some vendors would probably like that). But while allowing individual vendors the ability to opt out of the discussion feature for their profile pages and listings, you won't be consequently disabling or neutering the feature since categories will still have discussion ability to which everyone can opt in/out of by choosing to post or not post. No one can "stealth" a category.
Anyway, thanks for your consideration in advance. I'm confident that you will at least give it some thought. You've proven to be reasonable and rational in the past. There's no reason why anyone should think that would not continue to be the case.
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first off, everyone's alias was reset recently back to their main account names. This was a mistake, but unfortunately is irreversible, so I just went ahead and removed every discussion post so far because there was no way of knowing who was affected. Also, when you click "remove" on one of your posts, it will remove it entirely instead of just saying "(deleted)".
This is awesome!!!
Some guy that has been talking shit to me for over 1 year...was totally exposed to me and he did not realize it until after he posted!!! SO funny.
And just a question.....why not have their real buy accounts exposed? It will stop the shit that CHROOT is talking about...and if people want to come on your wall and post...then they should stand behind it and not be trolls! I mean....we are totally exposed! And there is no reason at all as to why they should not be either. If they want to be trolls...they can just come in here ;D
And DPR the guy talking about the Reddit thing is totally accurate!
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So we can have a discussion page for vendors, their items and each category... but what about commenting on BUYERS?!?!?!
Sure would be nice if I could read "Buyer tried to extort me" or some such instead of having to go to the forums and search each name.
Seriously, vendors need a better way of tracking buyers. This would be perfect.
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+1 for that RX........this is the most unwanted feature by any vendor...I can think of.........Trolls will take this and take over these sub vendor forums....or what ever you call them....I know this for a fact as I have seen it in real time......a couple of scammer trolls purchased from me 5 months ago....went to SR resolution....lost.....left me a 1/5 and a bullshit 1 page post......and they still to this day post the very same bullshit trolling stuff...as they did 5 months ago.....and once you get one of those.....other trolls pile on......and to allow anyone to post there is just asking for huge problems.......all you have to do is go over to Redit...to see that.
In a nut shell the average SR customer wants quality meds delivered to their door in a timely manner.....that about 95% of the customers.....they want to get their meds from someone reliable.........those customers are awesome.....just love those people.....never have any problems with them.......BUT the other 5% are where the problems start.....and by allowing those customers an avenue to scam and trash a vendor right on their page where 95% of the good customers are ........is completely wrong........again this feature is not needed.........please take if off......or at least let a vendor opt out of it.
thanks
first off, everyone's alias was reset recently back to their main account names. This was a mistake, but unfortunately is irreversible, so I just went ahead and removed every discussion post so far because there was no way of knowing who was affected. Also, when you click "remove" on one of your posts, it will remove it entirely instead of just saying "(deleted)".
This is awesome!!!
Some guy that has been talking shit to me for over 1 year...was totally exposed to me and he did not realize it until after he posted!!! SO funny.
And just a question.....why not have their real buy accounts exposed? It will stop the shit that CHROOT is talking about...and if people want to come on your wall and post...then they should stand behind it and not be trolls! I mean....we are totally exposed! And there is no reason at all as to why they should not be either. If they want to be trolls...they can just come in here ;D
And DPR the guy talking about the Reddit thing is totally accurate!
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thank you for voicing your concerns, but there is no need to repeat yourselves, I'm getting the messages :) It is not possible to snap my fingers and have every feature securely deployed in an instant. So far the discussion feature is working great and as intended. It is much easier to moderate than the forums and is more convenient and well organized. This is not an off the cuff feature, but rather one that I've been wanting to put in for quite some time. We aren't getting rid of it unless rampant abuse we can't control becomes the norm. I don't think that will happen and I ask that you give it a chance before making negative assumptions about it.
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+1 for that RX........this is the most unwanted feature by any vendor...I can think of.........Trolls will take this and take over these sub vendor forums....or what ever you call them....I know this for a fact as I have seen it in real time......a couple of scammer trolls purchased from me 5 months ago....went to SR resolution....lost.....left me a 1/5 and a bullshit 1 page post......and they still to this day post the very same bullshit trolling stuff...as they did 5 months ago.....and once you get one of those.....other trolls pile on......and to allow anyone to post there is just asking for huge problems.......all you have to do is go over to Redit...to see that.
In a nut shell the average SR customer wants quality meds delivered to their door in a timely manner.....that about 95% of the customers.....they want to get their meds from someone reliable.........those customers are awesome.....just love those people.....never have any problems with them.......BUT the other 5% are where the problems start.....and by allowing those customers an avenue to scam and trash a vendor right on their page where 95% of the good customers are ........is completely wrong........again this feature is not needed.........please take if off......or at least let a vendor opt out of it.
thanks
If this is the most unwanted feature by vendors, does that really matter? It's something designed to benefit buyers. You don't have to worry about trolls because for every troll, there should be a slew of customers who know the truth, and they definitely will make a post about their experience if they see someone making outlandish claims. You can also write your own post and refute any claims by made trolls.
I think this feature makes SR more mainstream and it also helps to allay any fears new members may have of being scammed. It should also help vendors to become more professional and more competitive. You're only focusing on the possible negatives of this feature. And I understand that from your perspective, the time you put in may not be worth any potential benefits.. But this is more of a tool for buyers, and even though I said it's designed to benefit buyers, vendors may certainly benefit by: not receiving as many messages and seeing an increased amount of sales.
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That's just it Romero, there's an imbalance. There are many more tools for buyers and virtually none for vendors.
But DPR says it's working great so far and as intended. So I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and trust his judgement.
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That's just it Romero, there's an imbalance. There are many more tools for buyers and virtually none for vendors.
I agree that there is an imbalance but that does not justify removing these newly added features in order to balance it out. If anything we need more features, such as a feature for vendors to leave feedback on a buyer which only vendors can see.
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how about linking for forum in a much more visible place having it at the bottom isn't that attention grabbing, like a large forums link on the top of the mainsite and perhaps when people first sign up give them a rundown on how important the forum is for knowing which vendors are trustworthy otherwise people will keep making the same mistakes and losing out on btc.
we direct new users to the "a few words from DPR" page which directs them to the forum. The support page also directs them here.
How about a mandatory forum link new people have to read and acknowledge before being able to purchase on the road when first signing up?
Unless you run a test afterwards people will just click through it, yes, yes, yes thank you and away I go without a care or clue in the world.
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It is not that bad folks. If you are a good vendor then increased communication among buyers can only help you.
But it SURE would be nice if we could comment on buyers...
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Only thing I am still wondering is if we can have domestic category discussion. The category discussion for cannabis is, and will probably stay, mostly US-related as they have the largest market by far. It renders the feature useless for the rest of us when it comes to categories.
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i for one, am a fan of this new discussion method!!
as someone previously stated, %90 of SR users never use the forums, so this enables us to share information which otherwise would've been segregated!!
and holy crap nuggets have i been beat down by the humility hammer after reading other consumer's buyer stats!! i am such a little fish it literally depressed me!!
oh well.. I'm gonna keep buying my precious goodies with a smile on my face!!
as YOU wish DPR!!
'have you ever considered piracy?? you'd make a great Dread Pirate Roberts!!'
lol
much love!!
long live SR!!
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these new forums need to fucking go. All of a sudden I have ignorant pricks trying to ruin my business...30 years of hard work down the drain because of one ignorant prick
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/discussion/item/41b3079fd8
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Why again are buyer stats posted?
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these new forums need to fucking go. All of a sudden I have ignorant pricks trying to ruin my business...30 years of hard work down the drain because of one ignorant prick
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/discussion/item/41b3079fd8
I dont get it, why dont u just give him what he wants so he goes away? Its not like hes trying to extort u.
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these new forums need to fucking go. All of a sudden I have ignorant pricks trying to ruin my business...30 years of hard work down the drain because of one ignorant prick
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/discussion/item/41b3079fd8
both cyanspore and the person he was "discussing" his item with have had their discussion privileges suspended for ignoring the discussion guideline of using a polite tone.
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I can't send whole mushroom because I can't get postage for packages here without a credit card. It's all automated here. But that wouldn't be good enough anyway because psilocybe cyanescens is not well known outside the west coast, so unless you were already familiar with them, whole mushroom wouldn't do any good. They don't look like cubensis
Because they are a rare and different species, even if they get verified it isn't good enough because the next batch might be poisonous, or the next one, or somewhere down the line one will be poisonous
It doesn't matter. all it takes is one ignorant paranoid newbie to destroy 30 years of hard work. That's why I am abandoning silk road because of this new discussion forum
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these new forums need to fucking go. All of a sudden I have ignorant pricks trying to ruin my business...30 years of hard work down the drain because of one ignorant prick
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/discussion/item/41b3079fd8
both cyanspore and the person he was "discussing" his item with have had their discussion privileges suspended for ignoring the discussion guideline of using a polite tone.
Were there posts that got deleted? Because it doesn't really look like either of those people really said anything that was impolite or inflammatory in there.
EDIT* well at least it doesn't look like cyanspore said anything impolite or inflammatory. I guess I can see how shrooms saying cyanspore will kill people is a bit inflammatory.
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Yes, I deleted the last three posts of mine. I got pissed because in this situation, I can't win. There is no way to prove the authenticity of my mushrooms without compromising security
The only way you could do it, is have some random sample professionally tested in a lab, and even then any future samples would be in doubt. We don't have the luxury here of being open with our real names and having a mycologist verify that you're a top expert in the field
Many of the items here on Silk Road is based on trust. You either trust the vendor or you don't. That is why we have a feedback system, in order to build trust. This new forum for chat bypasses that and allows anyone with doubts to override 6 months of built up trust in the feedback
In my case, it wasn't good enough that this one person didn't trust me and simply did not buy a product. No, this person wanted to make sure that other people also did not trust me
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I can't send whole mushroom because I can't get postage for packages here without a credit card. It's all automated here. But that wouldn't be good enough anyway because psilocybe cyanescens is not well known outside the west coast, so unless you were already familiar with them, whole mushroom wouldn't do any good. They don't look like cubensis
Priority small flat-rate is one priority stamp and a first class stamp. U can buy stamps with a CC and there isnt any risk. Or u can use gift-cards paid with cash and they work online and in the APC.
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I'm not willing to risk buying anything online related to postage. I don't even go to the post office for stamps
BTW, I'm not the only one who sells mushroom powder for this same reason. In fact the top three vendors are all powdered. It's a heck of a lot more efficient, faster, and cheaper to send it powdered. If it was easier, I'd send them whole, but for some people they would still have doubts about my mushrooms because they are not common outside the west coast and you wouldn't recognize them unless you're already familiar with them. I have photos of them wild, wet and dried already posted on my forums. Having dried whole ones isn't going to help you ID them if you don't already know what they are
That's why it's a catch 22...You can't win with some people, which was fine, because many people DO trust my expertise and I had no shortage of repeat customers
1 paranoid person blew all that to smithereens
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Yes, I deleted the last three posts of mine. I got pissed because in this situation, I can't win. There is no way to prove the authenticity of my mushrooms without compromising security
The only way you could do it, is have some random sample professionally tested in a lab, and even then any future samples would be in doubt. We don't have the luxury here of being open with our real names and having a mycologist verify that you're a top expert in the field
Many of the items here on Silk Road is based on trust. You either trust the vendor or you don't. That is why we have a feedback system, in order to build trust. This new forum for chat bypasses that and allows anyone with doubts to override 6 months of built up trust in the feedback
In my case, it wasn't good enough that this one person didn't trust me and simply did not buy a product. No, this person wanted to make sure that other people also did not trust me
cyanspore,
If you can't win, don't fight.
My suggestion would be to have stopped responding on that topic after your 2nd reply.
You have a 5.0, 300+ transactions, and have been here 5+ months... I doubt you are going to lose business from that one user's comment. Respond to it, shut it down, and then move on. The great feedback you have is going to far outweigh a single non-customer skeptic.
If you don't like the way your discussion is going then perhaps offer returning customers something extra if they agree to leave an honest opinion there.
You appear to be an asset to SR. It would be sad to see you leave over this.
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Thanks for the positive words and I don't want to leave, but i don't want people to be needlessly paranoid about my shrooms either
I'm sure there are plenty of people who are comfortable with my shrooms based on the feedback and experience, but all it takes is one look at that new listing forum and the next time they trip it's like 'gee, am I going to die now'?
well, there goes the trip. Golly, it seemed nice before I saw that, but now it's just plain scary
I mean, really. This was already recently discussed in my own forum about how scary these mushrooms already are. because they are much more potent than your normal cubensis, anything over 1 gram for beginners can be very scary. the onset is scary enough as it is, because it is a very strong psychedelic. In many cases the onset of mushrooms already feels like you're facing your own death. This is well documented for many years
You start adding needless paranoia like this on top of the already scary onset, and then people start leaping out windows just to make it faster. I mean just to get it over with quicker because this time cyanspore might have screwed up and it's better to just end it now rather than spend 2 weeks in the hospital. I mean, c/mon, that's all I need on my conscience
It's very well known that with true psychedelics a comfortable set and setting is near mandatory to prevent people from freaking out. You just can't mess with peoples minds like this. It's irresponsible
The original DPR would know this since he started out vending shrooms here long ago. Anyone who's had a level 5 trip would know this. It's not something to play around with
Now do you see why this issue is so important?
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My suggestion would be to have stopped responding on that topic after your 2nd reply.
You have a 5.0, 300+ transactions, and have been here 5+ months... I doubt you are going to lose business from that one user's comment. Respond to it, shut it down, and then move on. The great feedback you have is going to far outweigh a single non-customer skeptic.
If you don't like the way your discussion is going then perhaps offer returning customers something extra if they agree to leave an honest opinion there.
You appear to be an asset to SR. It would be sad to see you leave over this.
This. It's early days with the new features. Take some comfort in your stats, and don't let trolls/scammers cloud your judgement.
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or let me put it this way for the record. If i get a single verified report of any poisoning from my mushrooms, i will shut the whole thing down immediately, cancel all current orders, and then donate whatever i have left over to the person who got poisoned
That's how confident i am it will never happen
I simply don't want people to be able to plant paranoid seeds into people who want to experience the best there is and then have it being a totally messed up trip so they will never do shrooms again
That does more damage than actual poisonings, which have never been documented for psilocybe cyanescens, except for one screw up by a child who picked them wild back in the 1970's. This is on the wikipedia page
But you're right, I should just not answer his question. But I don't like it. This is not good for shrooms. People need to feel comfortable when doing these. I tried to tell this person my reputation speaks for itself, but some people are just never going to be convinced. We pro hunters have had to deal with this for years, News reports of ignorant amateurs poisoning themselves. Mushroom phobia that goes back to the old english days with witches and paganism and burning naked at the stakes and all that malarkey
Thankfully, it's now much more of a science. Mycology is absolutely a science and it has progressed tremendously in the last 20 years. There is no reason why anyone should get poisoned any more in 2013 by any mushrooms unless you're ignorant
This ignorance causes more damage than anything else...That's what really gets my goat
sorry about that..scuse me while I bang on the keyboard some more out of sheer frustration...*pound pound pound*
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I guess the lesson to take away from here is.......just don't respond the discussion....because if you do and get upset......your discussion privileges for your OWN page can be suspended :o
these new forums need to fucking go. All of a sudden I have ignorant pricks trying to ruin my business...30 years of hard work down the drain because of one ignorant prick
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/discussion/item/41b3079fd8
both cyanspore and the person he was "discussing" his item with have had their discussion privileges suspended for ignoring the discussion guideline of using a polite tone.
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Shit if i were u i would have just sent the guy whole mushrooms to shut him up, i mean if he gets a CD then thats his problem.
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I guess the lesson to take away from here is give people what they want if you can, saying you dont want to do something for whatever reason is probably just going to piss them off and cause you problems.
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edited > I see what's going on here, my feedback has been switched over to the vendor page only, at least for me. I still see it on listings for other vendors, so maybe it's still in transition...sorry about that
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How do hide my alias? I don't want my account name either, just something anonymous.
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I can't send whole mushroom because I can't get postage for packages here without a credit card. It's all automated here....
I think you deserve to choose whether you sell whole or powder.
Postage, however, does not sound like a true reason for not sending whole.
You should be able to get postage at a post office in another town. If you don't travel or go in post offices, you might have a friend do it. Be sure you grab free boxes and ask for tracking labels while your at it. If they say no (labels), try another post office if you get a chance.
I think stamps and a blue box for packages under 13 OZs are so much safer (even for powder).
As for freaking out buyers of mushrooms, how you react to baseless comments can be more harmful then the bad comments. I would not be mentioning worse-case scenarios like jumping out of windows just to make a point (well I guess I just did, but, it is a bad idea, lol).
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with the new stats that are displayed with reviews and discussion posts are estimated for security purposes which I understand but I would prefer to see the #vendors category to differentiate between a buyer who has bought from 2-10 vendors vs just 1 vendor because this helps me weigh the credibility of the "buyer" as genuine or a "sock puppet"