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Discussion => Philosophy, Economics and Justice => Topic started by: inigo on August 16, 2013, 09:38 am
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After weeks of nominating and voting the decision is finally in! The movie we are watching for our 2nd Official Movie Night is.... (drum roll please): A Scanner Darkly!!!
So get those torrents downloading, those netflix accounts streaming, and (for those old fashioned types in the audience) those DVD players turned on, cause it's time for Movie Night!
So the way this works is you watch the movie today whenever you get the chance, (I will be watching it later tonight), and then we can spend all weekend or longer discussing it here in this thread. Sound fun? Good! Now get to it.
P.S. - 2nd place in the voting was Dr. Strangelove. I highly reccomend watching that this weekend as well if you have the time, and if one of you would like to start up another thread for discussion on that (or any other movie from the nominations) please feel free to do so.
Links where the movie can be downloaded from or streamed:
http://thepiratebay.sx/torrent/8607188/A_Scanner_Darkly_%282006%29_720p_BrRip_x264_-_YIFY
http://thepiratebay.sx/torrent/4472882/A.Scanner.Darkly%5B2006%5DDvDrip%5BEng%5D-aXXo
https://isohunt.com/torrent_details/491197411/A+scanner+darkly?tab=summary
https://isohunt.com/torrent_details/20056225/A+scanner+darkly?tab=summary
https://www.canistream.it
http://vodly.to/watch-1804-A-Scanner-Darkly
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Great movie! Looking forward to it.
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This is a fantastic choice, it's one of my favorites. It's especially applicable to our time and place in history as well, I look forward to reading the discussion on it.
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This is a fantastic choice, it's one of my favorites. It's especially applicable to our time and place in history as well, I look forward to reading the discussion on it.
I thought I'd add that it's unavailable to stream on Netflix and Amazon but if you head over to
[Clearnet warning] https://www.canistream.it [Clearnet warning]
you can see where it's available to rent or purchase (if you're not down with doing something as horrible and illegal as getting it through a torrent, that is ;) ).
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A good well deserved break from packaging, im in.
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http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=202949.0
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anywhere were I can stream this? prefer not to torrent.
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anywhere were I can stream this? prefer not to torrent.
(Normal web) http://vodly.to/watch-1804-A-Scanner-Darkly
That site is usually pretty good for movies with multiple options for stream services or direct downloads.
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Im in :)
+1
Looks like a nice movie :)
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Just finished watching, great movie! A bit to realistic, with todays patriot act, ndaa, and overdeveloped nsa. Dont want to divulge any spoilers yet, since its the first day of posting, so i will wait until tomorrow, and post again! Thank you all who voted for this gem.
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Philip K Dick (Horselover Fat) one of the greatest authors of our time. Great movie!
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REALLY wish I had one of those morphing disguises LOL. But I will save all that for the discussion :)
Glad I found this thread...thanks for starting it, very cool idea!
~PB2k
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We could honestly dedicate an entire thread to Robert Downey Jr's character in that film. ;D
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(Spoilers)
A Scanner Darkly is a little bit of insight into the mind of Phillip K. Dick, who was a drug addict and a complete schizophrenic. The scramble suits are an allegory for his paranoia and the fact that Keanu Reeves and the other characters suffer damage after using Substance D is a reference to Dick frying his god damn brain on drugs. I wish that Keanu Reeves was not in this movie. I would have preferred the role of Archer to go to another member of the cast: preferably Robert Downey Jr. I also have problems with the animation. The first time I watched it it took about a half hour to get used to it and it made me sort of nauseous, but it adds to the "I'm fucked up on Substance D" feel of the movie.
Archer scrambles his brain on Substance D and loses track of his actual identity and is ordered to spy on himself.
Basically Archer rooms up with a low level dealer of Substance D and a couple druggies and tries to get on good terms with her supplier. But Winona Ryder is actually an undercover cop as well and lets Archer fry his brain to infiltrate the rehab center unnoticed (the rehab center is actually growing the blue flowers Substance D is made from) It is hoped and implied Archer retains enough mental capacity to realize that his pretty flower he found is special and he "wants to give it to his friends on thanksgiving"
New Path reminds me of Monsanto for some reason.
The movie is hard to follow at times, especially if you have never read the book. Roughly 30 years passed before the novel was turned into a movie and Hollywood has been trying to milk every last shred of Dick's work since Blade Runner (Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep).
The movie was made in 2007 and was set slightly ahead in the future so it would be about nowish. It still holds up pretty well and is actually a pretty good modern movie with innovative cinematography and is definitely relevant in the current NSA/Police State/Drug War situation. Dick seemed to be able to predict the future. He supposedly communicated with a pink beam of light which told him his son was dying, and of what rare ailment (which turned out to be true...)
http://www.techgnosis.com/pkdnet.html
I give A Scanner Darkly 7/10. I've seen it a few times and did not need to watch it for movie night. If you enjoyed my brief synopsis on ASD perhaps I will write out my own take on Dr. Strangelove.
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love the alex jones cameo in this!
like the poster above, seen it a few times already but it's well worth a watch if you haven't seen it.
look woody harrelson in this (and more or less everything else he stars in!).
dr.strangelove is a classic, i think i'll curl up and watch this tomorrow!
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First time I have seen this movie... And wow! I found it a little hard to follow in places due to the distraction of the animation. I have never seen a movie on drugs before but had to laugh at the inter dimensional being reading out the list of sins "At least I had good wine". I get the impression that this was quite difficult to transfer into a feature length movie from a novel, I would rate at a solid 7/10
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Best quote of the whole movie goes to Barris:
Alright, I'm gonna give you a little feedback since you seem to be proceeding through life like a cat without whiskers perpetually caught behind the refrigerator. Your life and watching you live it is like a gag-reel of ineffective bodily functions. I swear to god that a toddler has a better understanding of the intricacies of chew-swallow-digest-don't kill yourself on your TV dinner! And yet you've managed to turn this near death fuck-up of yours into a moral referendum on me!
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Well i like that ! Certainly was not was i was expecting, just finished watching it and to my surprise im REALLY REALLY glad that i didnt watch it whilest off my tits as there was so much in the movie to pay attention to.
Also now i get to watch again whilest in a seriously altered state. I wuld love to watch it tripping, but as most people know you get more fun out of trying to use the tv rather than watch it lol.
A damn good film, well worth a watch and the link provided earlier by some to watch it streaming was faultless and high quality. so im well happy !
Thank you all for a most enjoyable couple of hours.
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Haha, i relly would love to... But my attention span for the TV is extremely short when im tripping lolo. It would be damn cool though !
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We could honestly dedicate an entire thread to Robert Downey Jr's character in that film. ;D
He was easily the highlight character, he made the film.
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I found it on usenet easily- in case anyone else still uses it. :D
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Haha if you guys thought A Scanner Darkly was hard to keep up with then you really don't want to watch Waking Life. It's done in the same style of cinematography as A Scanner Darkly but it's full of cameos and a brief appearances by all sorts of intellectuals, physicists, psychologists etc and discusses consciousness, dream states and lucid dreaming, the perception of "reality" or the matrix if you will.
Now that's a hard one to get your head around...
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dont know why i had never heard of this movie..... watched earlier today as my LSD experience was at that point where its like youv been through the height of the trip and your still pretty deep but your almost used to being up there if you guys know what i mean. haha anyways DAMN good movie im guessing the blue flowers were the plant they make substance D with?? New Path was behind that shit i know it! thats so reflective of our society...... like making white castle burgers AND peptobismol. fuck. anyways id like to thank the dread pirate roberts and everyone else that put this together im gonna spread the word about this movie forsure
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A Scanner Darkly is literally the only Dick novel to actual lose money at the box office. I blame Keanu Reeves.
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A Scanner Darkly is literally the only Dick novel to actual lose money at the box office. I blame Keanu Reeves.
no way man come on. i thought reeves was great like if you look in his eyes you can like feel exactly what he feels its crazy. maybe just a personal thing
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I think Keanu reprised his Bill and Ted role and stood around looking all burnt out and retarded for 90 minutes and talked through a voice changer. The only reason this movie is worth watching is Robert Downey Jr and Woody Harrleson tweaking out and Winona Ryder. A Scanner Darkly is the kind of movie you watch with your stoner girlfriend because she's too retarded to enjoy Blade Runner. It's like watching one of those old rotoscoped Charles Schwab commercials mixed with Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas and it makes just about as much sense. It made 7 million dollars at the box office for a reason. That reason is it kind of sucks. Phillip K. Dick from what I heard loved the parts of Blade Runner he got to see before he died. I think he would have hated this movie.
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I think Keanu reprised his Bill and Ted role and stood around looking all burnt out and retarded for 90 minutes and talked through a voice changer. The only reason this movie is worth watching is Robert Downey Jr and Woody Harrleson tweaking out and Winona Ryder. A Scanner Darkly is the kind of movie you watch with your stoner girlfriend because she's too retarded to enjoy Blade Runner. It's like watching one of those old rotoscoped Charles Schwab commercials mixed with Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas and it makes just about as much sense. It made 7 million dollars at the box office for a reason. That reason is it kind of sucks. Phillip K. Dick from what I heard loved the parts of Blade Runner he got to see before he died. I think he would have hated this movie.
gotta disagree with you there bruce campbell. judging by the tone of your language i can assume that you and i grew up with different values. that being said i believe movies like A Scanner Darkly are made to appeal to those of us who search for multiple meanings in artforms such as movies. i personally have the good/bad habit of analyzing movies, books, even spongebob in order to realize some kind of overall messages or themes. sometimes it hard to get a moral out of it (heavily depending on personal ect ect ect ) but A Scanner Darkly for me was pretty helpful as a way to re-examine the society we live in. Stories about tyrannical entities enslaving those by the production of addictive and permanently brain altering substances really hits home with me due to personal reasons (family ect.) and I was able to feel a type of realization. i understand that peoples upbringings ect ect can impact how deeply you resonate with a movie. hope that made sense what the fuck do i know
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What the hell does my upbringing growing up as a singing British street orphan have to do with the fact that Hollywood butchered one of the works of my favorite authors? I'd give a similar review of Fight Club if it was chosen. A Scanner Darkly is a sterotypical drug movie. I'd have rather watched Requiem for a dream or the Basketball Diaries if we were going to have a circle jerk and watch and discuss a drug movie. The novel was poignant. The movie caters to stereotypes and the "whoa trippy visuals man" demographic instead of the intentions (or my interpretations of his intentions) of the author. The afterwood specifically lists "Phil" as a victim of drug abuse and damage. He fried his brain and pancreas with amphetamines. Maybe I just hate every Dick movie. Ridley Scott got input from Dick directly and the fact that he never got to see the finished film and never saw success pisses me off.
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What the hell does my upbringing growing up as a singing British street orphan have to do with the fact that Hollywood butchered one of the works of my favorite authors? I'd give a similar review of Fight Club if it was chosen. A Scanner Darkly is a sterotypical drug movie. I'd have rather watched Requiem for a dream or the Basketball Diaries if we were going to have a circle jerk and watch and discuss a drug movie. The novel was poignant. The movie caters to stereotypes and the "whoa trippy visuals man" demographic instead of the intentions (or my interpretations of his intentions) of the author. The afterwood specifically lists "Phil" as a victim of drug abuse and damage. He fried his brain and pancreas with amphetamines. Maybe I just hate every Dick movie. Ridley Scott got input from Dick directly and the fact that he never got to see the finished film and never saw success pisses me off.
i havent read the book so i really couldnt take this discussion any further in that direction. the upbringing thing- my opinion is that our personalities are shaped by multiple factors, childhood being a big one. people with different personalities can find very different meanings in the same events. and everything else you said.... i disagree(especially the fight club thing you did NOT see that plot twist coming) anyways, what do you think the author's intentions were? is it worth a read even after iv seen the movie in your opinion?
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Yes you should read the book.
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this would be a great film to watch while tripping, lol.
I watched this movie while tripping. The visuals were a mindfuck for sure, but the movie itself was kind of depressing, and put kind of a somber edge to the rest of my trip. The worst part was at the very end right before the credits where it said "this movie is dedicated to everyone suffering from mental illness" or something like that. When I read that, for a second I thought I was insane and shut my laptop out of fear haha
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gotta disagree with you there bruce campbell. judging by the tone of your language i can assume that you and i grew up with different values.
How can you judge 'tone' through text? ::)
i havent read the book so i really couldnt take this discussion any further in that direction.
Well, perhaps if you read the book you'd know what Bruce was talking about.
the upbringing thing- my opinion is that our personalities are shaped by multiple factors, childhood being a big one. people with different personalities can find very different meanings in the same events.
Or someone whose never read the book in which a movie was based off of, can find a completely different meaning in said movie because they're taking it for face value, as Hollywood portrays; not how the original author intended.
Judging by your 'tone', you don't read much do ya?
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I was kinda shocked that I had never watched this movie before, I enjoyed it very much this whole "Movie Night" thing in general was a lot of fun. I am looking forward to the next one.
-QK
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How can you judge 'tone' through text? ::)
Literacy?
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How can you judge 'tone' through text? ::)
Literacy?
I would say context, semantics, syntax and pragmatics but literacy would definitely help.
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Philip K Dick (Horselover Fat) one of the greatest authors of our time. Great movie!
I agree!
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gotta disagree with you there bruce campbell. judging by the tone of your language i can assume that you and i grew up with different values.
How can you judge 'tone' through text? ::)
i havent read the book so i really couldnt take this discussion any further in that direction.
Well, perhaps if you read the book you'd know what Bruce was talking about.
the upbringing thing- my opinion is that our personalities are shaped by multiple factors, childhood being a big one. people with different personalities can find very different meanings in the same events.
Or someone whose never read the book in which a movie was based off of, can find a completely different meaning in said movie because they're taking it for face value, as Hollywood portrays; not how the original author intended.
Judging by your 'tone', you don't read much do ya?
When someone addresses me directly by text on something like this i feel like the specific words and punctuations they use can convey a tone. for example i felt a bit offended by your comment about me not reading too much. your tone made me feel small because you put the word I used in quotes. I do totally agree with you that the author's intentions may have been completely different from that of the movie director or whatever. but were a bit off topic here im trying to discuss things about the movie. id like what do you guys think is different about the book? like what made bruce campbell think that the movie took A Scanner Darkly in the wrong direction compared to the book?
by the way i do enjoy reading pretty frequently... im usually not the type of person who sees a movie before the book but in this case i did not know there was a book until after i had seen it. got the PDF on my nook, will start soon
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I like to relax and listen to audio books sometimes while I'm capping molly or processing orders. It keeps me sane and I can usually finish a book in a few days.
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When someone addresses me directly by text on something like this i feel like the specific words and punctuations they use can convey a tone. for example i felt a bit offended by your comment about me not reading too much. your tone made me feel small because you put the word I used in quotes.
"How can you judge 'tone' through text?" "Judging by your 'tone', you don't read much do ya?"
This was a joke.
I like to relax and listen to audio books sometimes while I'm capping molly or processing orders. It keeps me sane and I can usually finish a book in a few days.
Read a book, read a book, read a mu'fuckin' book...
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A Scanner Darkly is literally the only Dick novel to actual lose money at the box office. I blame Keanu Reeves.
You slam Keanu twice but if you checked out the commentary track on the DVD you'd find out that the script was on ice for 2 years until Keanu joined the project.. lol
I'm no Keanu fan either but it doesn't get done without him
Also, that commentary is awkward in that Dick's daughter is on it and she seems to live in this fantasy impression of her father that he must of projected to her. She says he really only did speed and it wasn't true that he wrote while on acid.. very awkward since you can tell she has a snobby 'drugs are not worth it' vibe while Link and Keanu stumble around her. And Keanu is a total spaced vapid dude as we all know. Trying to find ultimate substance and meaning in everything..
PS---- as I read all the rest of this thread...my advise is forget reading the book next, you all have to listen to the DVD commentary if you really want to know why this movie was made like it was. You have to know that so many people in the 'business' can only go total 'drug experience' via personality and not verbally. In books yes, but these people in the film industry seem to be surrounded by types that feel that drugs are not the true source of enabling their magic and they really try to bury that instead of embrace it. So even the ones that want to go all the way have to dance around it. That is why you get things like this animation (and because Link used it already in Waking Life) and they really didn't give any input to Robert Downey, and kinda step back and say he did things on his own.. You can tell Downey and Woody and Ryder all 'get it' but are limited to what the director and the editor is allowing in the film.
tl-dr: It is a HELL of a lot easier a writer to create and drive a world and story on drug topics then a whole bunch of different people collaborating who may or may not be really 'experienced', able to express it via personality, and also wish to really expose themselves about how deep they understand it
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water walker i respect your post, well put. tell me more about this dvd commentary tho sounds interesting. (i also found the visual aspect more gripping than the dialogue^)
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Hi guys, thanks for the good words.. remember silk road is a marketplace and a talking place, and neither should exist without the other :)
that DVD commentary triggered something I've been meaning to say for a long while - glad I was able to post it, gotta keep it close at hand to explain to others
the animation is special since it was filmed and then they took about a year to convert it and doctor it up so you get real and surreal thrown together - might be worth watching with the sound off sometime as background
Like I said earlier, the commentary was mainly driven by Dick's daughter giving oddball connections of the movie as it related to what she knew of her father... When Link talked he seemed to not want to really spill his guts like he would with his close friends.. that's my impression, and Keanu is a just a hollow ship floating in orbit
see ya on the road.. had a awesome trip the other day, much love all around
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A Scanner Darkly is a sterotypical drug movie. I'd have rather watched Requiem for a dream or the Basketball Diaries if we were going to have a circle jerk and watch and discuss a drug movie. The novel was poignant. The movie caters to stereotypes and the "whoa trippy visuals man" demographic instead of the intentions (or my interpretations of his intentions) of the author. The afterwood specifically lists "Phil" as a victim of drug abuse and damage. He fried his brain and pancreas with amphetamines. Maybe I just hate every Dick movie. Ridley Scott got input from Dick directly and the fact that he never got to see the finished film and never saw success pisses me off.
+1! I like this film, I haven't read A Scanner Darkly, the book, but I've read a few of Phil k. Dick's short stories, though, and I get the feeling that the film doesn't feel like it does the writer justice. The one thing it needed, I would've liked to have seen Winona Ryder's sexy body, and some hard-core fucking.
I mean, we're talking semi-animation, right? have some fun with it! I was like "why is this dude with this cold ass don't-touch-me chick when he's a good looking guy? she's his girlfriend/dealer who "snorts too much coke" so there's no fucking anywhere. These guys are asexual and impotent." that could just be me, though, amphetamines and cocaine often internalize sexual desire, so WYSIWYG.
I also didn't completely like Fear and Loathing with Johnny Depp for the same reasons, and I saw it after reading the book. It's entertaining, sure, makes you think a bit, but "whoa visuals" only gets you so far with psychedelia, the real kicker is the mind-fuck, which is very difficult to portray in film, and I HATE voiceovers. Blade Runner is fucking awesome, though. The only thing I didn't like about the film version Requiem for a Dream(haven't read the book) is that it felt a *bit* like a rip-off of Panic in Needle Park, only sub the trip to Florida with Riker's Island. Also, when the fuck has NYC ever run out of Heroin? seems a bit far-fetched to me. I always have this love/hate thing about drug movies, they either get the feeling right, but not the facts, or they get the facts straight, with no craziness. Gotta love Movie Night, though!
Someone should nominate Repo Man(1984) that movie is fucking awesome beyond words, everyone should see it.
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John Wayne was a fag.
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John Wayne was a fag.
That doesn't mean he was a fag Miller. A lot of straight guys like to watch their buddies fuck. I know I do. Don't you?
Duke: The lights are growing dim Otto. I know a life of crime has led me to this sorry fate, and yet, I blame society. Society made me what I am.
Otto: That's bullshit. You're a white suburban punk just like me.
Duke: Yeah, but it still hurts.
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Next movie night...?
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Where is the list of the movies to choose from for the movie night?
I've seen a couple of them, and I like drug-related movies, I'd like to see all of them on the list.
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I can't believe more people don't vote for Spartacus.
The only slave to rebel on mainland Roman soil. Fuck comic book characters with magic powers dressing up in tights and rubber to kick the fuck out of a mugger, Spartacus is is a GENUINE badass.
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A scanner darkly is one of my favorite movies its an amazing book too a lot of details were missing in the movie
Many don't get the movie the first time around
Spoiler: he remembers to get his love blue flowers