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Discussion => Philosophy, Economics and Justice => Topic started by: inigo on August 03, 2013, 10:33 pm
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So we finally finished up "The Creature From Jekyll Island" and we've decided this would be a great time for our second Movie Night! To create some new interest in the book club, we are going to let you guys choose the movie! Use this thread to nominate whatever films you think should be included in a poll, and after we get enough nominations I'll put up a poll for everyone to vote on which movie we will watch for the 2nd official DPR's Book Club - Movie Night!
Remember the focus of the book club is "agorism, counter-economics, anarcho-capitalism, austrian economics, political philosophy, freedom issues and related topics." Please try to keep the nominations related to that general realm as much as possible. I know there aren't many movies that were written or made by people who share these ideas, so finding good ones can be a challenge. However I am confident that of all people the Silk Road community is up for that challenge.
Let the nominating begin!
P.S. - For those of you who are new to the book club, for our first movie night we watched "V for Vendetta", so don't bother nominating that as it won't be included in the poll. I thought it was best to clarify that since I'm sure it will be the first movie to come to mind for many of you. :)
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it's kinda obvious, but i love this movie: V for Vendetta =)
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just thought of one... what was that movie where the guy is an undercover cop and the mask he wears is a constantly shifting face. drugs are involved, so is LE, and it's just a damn cool movie from what I remember. It was done in that style where it is shot live, but then each frame is animated afterward. Adapted from a book if I recall.
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As obvious as it may be, '1984' would be an excellent choice, or given the recent revelations about how much the NSA is intruding into people's privacy, a re-watch of 'Enemy of the State' might be an interesting one.
There's always 'Braveheart' for an excellent look at how one man with unrepentant Libertarian ideals calls his people to arms to collectively rise up against their oppressors.
Libertas
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just thought of one... what was that movie where the guy is an undercover cop and the mask he wears is a constantly shifting face. drugs are involved, so is LE, and it's just a damn cool movie from what I remember. It was done in that style where it is shot live, but then each frame is animated afterward. Adapted from a book if I recall.
"A Scanner Darkly" by richard linklater adapted from a pkd book, yeah.
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just thought of one... what was that movie where the guy is an undercover cop and the mask he wears is a constantly shifting face. drugs are involved, so is LE, and it's just a damn cool movie from what I remember. It was done in that style where it is shot live, but then each frame is animated afterward. Adapted from a book if I recall.
"A Scanner Darkly" by richard linklater adapted from a pkd book, yeah.
Ah yes - I figured 'Watchmen'; my bad on that one! 'A Scanner Darkly' is definitely a cool movie!
Libertas
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just thought of one... what was that movie where the guy is an undercover cop and the mask he wears is a constantly shifting face. drugs are involved, so is LE, and it's just a damn cool movie from what I remember. It was done in that style where it is shot live, but then each frame is animated afterward. Adapted from a book if I recall.
"A Scanner Darkly" by richard linklater adapted from a pkd book, yeah.
thanks! I like Lib's suggestions as well.
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just thought of one... what was that movie where the guy is an undercover cop and the mask he wears is a constantly shifting face. drugs are involved, so is LE, and it's just a damn cool movie from what I remember. It was done in that style where it is shot live, but then each frame is animated afterward. Adapted from a book if I recall.
I'm sure someone answered this by now, but wow.
A Scanner Darkly.
Shoutout to my boy Phillip K. Dick, used to smoke speed with that crazy bastard all the time back in the day.
With love,
Kenny 'I AM Google' Powders
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Waking life
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Waking life
That is one of my favorite movies of all time, maybe even the top favorite of them all. I can watch it over and over and it always has the same wonderful effect on me that it did the very first time I saw it.
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I also love A Scanner Darkly but I'm not sure if that's my official vote as I'd like to give the rest, and of course my own, a chance.
Those being, either Nausicaa or One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest:
-> 'Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind': Quiet farming community that lives in symbiosis with the nearby forest (a living entity) gets torn apart by a militaristic nation's invasion.
-> 'One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest': Jack Nicholson wrongly imprisoned in a mental asylum attempts to win the hearts and minds of it's patients against the oppressive head nurse.
Oh yeah and 'If...': A group of hedonistic students suffer at the hands of their private school's strict authority resulting in a violent uprising led by Malcolm McDowell.
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Hows about Princess Mononoke, i vote this as you all have prolli seen waking life
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'Candy' - in memory of the late great Heath Ledger. Great story of drug addition, love, and life in general.
..also
'Return to 'Paradise' - Joaquin Phoenix, Vince Vaughan... scary story. Group of friends, load of Hash, Malaysia..
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So So So conventional but Fight Club is always a classic. Can watch it over and over and still discover something new I love about it.
other than that films that remind me a little of SR
SLC Punk
Trainspotting
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given the recent revelations about how much the NSA is intruding into people's privacy, a re-watch of 'Enemy of the State' might be an interesting one.
Libertas
Watched this yesterday as luck would have it, Netflix' selection is somewhat limited to begin with, but Great film and eerily relevant rewatching it now pondering to what extent big brother really is peeking in at what we're up to.
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Inigo, when are we going to actually do movie night?
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Just a few obvious ones. But great movies nonetheless.
Enter The Void : Holy mother of god ! This will tear you apart if you watch this whilst tripping the whole movies based around DMT. But my god... You just need to watch it.
Donnie Darko : Confusing as hell story-line but still blows my mind whether I am high or sober.
A Scanner Darkly : A film adapted from the Sci-Fi book under the same name by Philip K. Dick. An absolutely amazing storyline and every frame has been filmed then cell shaded. It produces a really nice trippy effect.
Spirited Away : A good ol' Studio Ghibli film about some girl that ends up in the spirit world after here parents are turned into pigs (Worth a Watch)
Fear and Loathing In Las Vegas : Obviously
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Drug Movies:
Kids
Party Monster
A Scanner Darkly
Trainspotting
Requiem for Dream
The Basketball Diaries
Blow
American Gangster
Savages
How To Make Money Selling Drugs
Traffic
I honestly think an important film for "Movie Night" should be Gasland Part II. It's practical for all to see, and something that should be more talked about than drugs, to be honest.
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Snatch -
Now, dicks have drive and clarity of vision, but they are not clever. They smell pussy and they want a piece of the action. And you thought you smelled some good old pussy, and have brought your two little mincey faggot balls along for a good old time. But you've got your parties muddled up. There's no pussy here, just a dose that'll make you wish you were born a woman. Like a prick, you are having second thoughts. You are shrinking, and your two little balls are shrinking with you. And the fact that you've got "Replica" written down the side of your guns...And the fact that I've got "Desert Eagle point five O"... Written down the side of mine...Should precipitate your balls into shrinking, along with your presence. Now... Fuck off!
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I like all the suggestions so far. I have two of my own, that I didn't see mentioned already.
The Terminal (Tom Hanks) - I believe this one qualifies because it deals with freedom issues.
Altered States (William Hurt) - I don't really think it fits under any of the themes, but it's a really wild movie.
Anyway, just my two cents.
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I know these have been mentioned - I'd vote for...
A Scanner Darkly
Requiem for a Dream
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I second Fight Club,great movie with a deep message
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Since it has not been mentioned, and it is likely that very very few here have seen it, I want to toss "Wizards" - 1977 into the ring.
***Clearnet***
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wizards_(film)
***Clearnet***
It would be worthwhile and something most have never seen. Just a thought.
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i want in!! i want in!!
how about the movie Pi.. as in π
or 12 monkeys..
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I honestly think an important film for "Movie Night" should be Gasland Part II.
I think this is a great idea. Get a lot of people talking about it / thinking about it.
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Brazil
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Pi!
One of my favourites. It's not all that anarcho-capitalistic but as a mind bending psychological film, it wins hands down!
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-> 'One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest': Jack Nicholson wrongly imprisoned in a mental asylum attempts to win the hearts and minds of it's patients against the oppressive head nurse.
Oh yeah and 'If...': A group of hedonistic students suffer at the hands of their private school's strict authority resulting in a violent uprising led by Malcolm McDowell.
Both very good suggestions.
Speaking of Malcolm McDowell, I loved 'Clockwork Orange' when I was younger (still do I suppose but haven't seen it for a long time)
And one that I think is a great film and underrated - 'Bob Roberts', a satire on right-wing corruption and hypocrisy in the US with a sprinkling of highly amusing mock country-style moralistic songs by Tim Robbins. Look out for Jack Black's first big screen appearance as the rabid slavering right-wing fanboy!
And thinking of Tim Robbins brings me to a great mindfuck drugs/conspiracy type film that often gets overlooked called 'Jacob's Ladder'.
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Ghost in the Shell (1995)
A little dated but absolutely great for foreshadowing the landscape and problems of the future, the original 1995 film Ghost in the Shell lets you take it in on multiple levels, its got action, suspense, provocative philosophical questions, a critique of the direction our society is moving towards, and an overall decent plot.
I thus humbly submit this for your consideration.
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Waking life
That is one of my favorite movies of all time, maybe even the top favorite of them all. I can watch it over and over and it always has the same wonderful effect on me that it did the very first time I saw it.
As soon as I opened this thread, the first movie that came to mind was Waking Life. I agree, inigo, it's sort of refreshing re-watching it. All of the ideas that are expressed in the movie really change my perspective for several days after I watch it. Also, each rewatch thus far (seen in nearly 10 times) reveals a greater understanding of certain conversations that are sometimes too packed full of information for me to process the first few tmes around.
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A little dated but absolutely great for foreshadowing the landscape and problems of the future, the original 1995 film Ghost in the Shell lets you take it in on multiple levels, its got action, suspense, provocative philosophical questions, a critique of the direction our society is moving towards, and an overall decent plot.
I thus humbly submit this for your consideration.
I second this choice wholeheartedly.
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'Down by law' is one of my all time favorites
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Pulp Fiction
Kids
Dr. Strangelove
Super High Me
Equilibrium (underrated)
Starship Troopers
1984 (the 1984 version, not very good unless you've read the novel)
Fahrenheit 451
12 Monkeys
Animal Farm
Children of Men
(A scanner darkly is not as good as the book, nor is Fight Club IMO)
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A Clockwork Orange by Stanley Kubrick..
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Equilibrium (underrated)
It's even better if you convince yourself it's about Bruce Wayne.
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I also champion to change this thread's name to 'Richard Linklater Films We May or May Not Watch Together'
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city of god
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strange days is a great movie. very underated and prolly one few people here have seen.
clearnet trailer - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yaXPx6xWEQ
plus its got juliette lewis's tits ;)
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I second Waking Life for the movie night, this film has a huge re-watch potential and is obviously very stimulating and watchable on drugs :)
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I don't know about anyone else, but I'm due for a rise of the dude! 8)
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It might not fit the criteria well enough but 'Momento' is a bloody good movie. It's about a guy who sustains a head injury and can no longer create new long-term memory, every time he stops thinking about something he forgets it. The last thing he remembers before his injury is his wife getting killed so every morning when he wakes up he thinks it's just happened and has to live his life based off clues that he doesn't remember leaving for himself, mostly notes and tattoos on his body.
I challenge anyone to watch it and not spend the rest of the day wondering what you would do in his situation.
Failing that, I nominate 'Fight Club' as it closely fits the criteria. I've watched that dozens of times and it never gets old.
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What night would be watching this movie? I'm in!
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I am pretty disappointed that my suggestion got buried and ignored. Has anyone else seen "Wizards" from 1977 and can back me up that this is something folks around here should consider viewing?
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I am pretty disappointed that my suggestion got buried and ignored. Has anyone else seen "Wizards" from 1977 and can back me up that this is something folks around here should consider viewing?
I've actually got Wizards and Heavy Metal both laying on the coffee table right now. Good movies.
Itsallmememe mentioned Juliette Lewis earlier and that reminded me of a movie she's in called Renegade from 2004. It stars Vincent Cassel and Michael Madsen. Best way to describe it is a psychedelic western. It's based on a comic called Blueberry and I think you can also find the movie under that name some places. Has a really great Ayahuasca trip scene near the end. Not a movie for those of limited attention span.
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just thought of one... what was that movie where the guy is an undercover cop and the mask he wears is a constantly shifting face. drugs are involved, so is LE, and it's just a damn cool movie from what I remember. It was done in that style where it is shot live, but then each frame is animated afterward. Adapted from a book if I recall.
I am new to the Book Club and was going to Nominate "A Scanner Darkly" Which is the movie you are talking about im sure. The "Scrambler Suit" is what they wore when in the Police Station. I have a funny story about this Movie and LSD if anyone wants to hear it.
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Funny Games?!
Pretty good movie, perfect for night watching, both remake and original version are awesome ;]
good to get baked during watching this...
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'The Departed' one of my all time favorites.
Great cast, great plot, great ending even if you don't understand it.
Other than that i like everyone else's suggestions. Definitely planning to watch WHATEVER we end up voting on :)
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Heres my nomninations:
The secret of Oz- a smaller version of the money masters, although very similar to the creature from jekeyl island, all 3 are brilliant peices of work
Appocolapse Now- A brutal ruthless war movie, i love the smell of nalpalm in the morning :-)
The Beast 1984 - A russian tank gets lost from the main army in afganstan, this movie follows the crew as they try to re-join the main army. Very eerie, creepy and challanging movie.
Valhalla Rising - A wild man is captured by the king of england's knights and used for prize fighting, this thought proking movie follows their travels .
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Heres my nomninations:
The secret of Oz- a smaller version of the money masters, although very similar to the creature from jekeyl island, all 3 are brilliant peices of work
Appocolapse Now- A brutal ruthless war movie, i love the smell of nalpalm in the morning :-)
I would second both of these! +1 for you sir.
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Hmm I was thinking of having it this coming Friday, but with how much response this has received in just the first 24 hours maybe we should put it off til the following Friday to give enough time to get as many votes as possible and narrow down the huge selection to the perfect choice... How does that sound to everyone? We let the nominations come in for a few more days, then we can spend a week narrowing it down with a poll.
Unless there is any good reason not to, I say we do this on August 16th.
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Why not do one this Friday and another on the 16th? Considering all the interest and all the great suggestions, why limit it to one night?
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I,d like to nominate "Blade Runner" great movie ;)
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Oohmergawd, you guys, I just spammed 50 posts just so I could post on this thread. Anyways, I'm not sure if they fit in with the theme or not, but two indie movies I'd like to recommend are:
Primer - A great (though some might find it a little heady and boring) movie about time travel
Ghost Dog: The Way of the Samurai - Starring Forest Whitaker, how can you fucking complain about Forest Whitaker?
Anyways, that's all. Whether it fits in, makes the poll or whatever, watch them. Would love to discuss them with some people.
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Hmm I was thinking of having it this coming Friday, but with how much response this has received in just the first 24 hours maybe we should put it off til the following Friday to give enough time to get as many votes as possible and narrow down the huge selection to the perfect choice... How does that sound to everyone? We let the nominations come in for a few more days, then we can spend a week narrowing it down with a poll.
Unless there is any good reason not to, I say we do this on August 16th.
'i don't mean to pry, but do you happen to have 6 fingers on your right hand?'
'do you start every conversation this way?'
sounds good to me inigo!!
count me in!!
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Equilibrium (underrated)
It's even better if you convince yourself it's about Bruce Wayne.
It's really just a bastard combination of other movies but it's still good. I was surprised I had never seen it before until recently.
I think 1984, Animal Farm, Equilibrium and Fahrenheit 451 should be front runners if the last movie was V for Vendetta. Starship Troopers is good, not as good as the book but it's a satire about Fascism.
If you're after "drug moves"
Kids
Scanner Darkly (basically anything with Phillip K. Dick as an author is great)
Basketball Diaries
Requiem for a Dream
Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas
Now if you want something culturally significant I recommend something from the AFI top 100, this of course would include several Stanley Kubrick films:
Clockwork Orange (meh)
Full Metal Jacket
2001 a Space Odyssey
Dr. Strangelove
One Flew over the Cookoo's Nest (I think this is a good choice)
I tried to keep the themes of my choices in the "existentialism, dystopian, drug" categories.
Other choices would be Brazil and Metropolis
I'd also like to possibly see a Coen Brothers movie up there.
BIG LEBOWSKI!
Hudsucker Proxy (Bruce Campbell is in there somewhere)
Raising Arizona
Army of Darkness kind of goes with my pseudonym.
How many of you have seen the Princess Bride specifically because of DPR? That's a good choice...
And I'm spent.
8)
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If the armory (?) were still around, hell, even though it's not, I'd offer /Lord of War/ as another suggestion.
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If the armory (?) were still around, hell, even though it's not, I'd offer /Lord of War/ as another suggestion.
That's probably the best Nick Cage movie I've ever seen considering he actually acted instead of just being crazy.
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That's probably the best Nick Cage movie I've ever seen considering he actually acted instead of just being crazy.
Leaving Las Vegas?
Maybe watch it again if you disagree..
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how about a good animation movie ?
like...... "wall-E" the virtually no dialogue movie makes good emotions out of all of us, or how about, FANTASIA 2000 ? The whole good vs bad theme kicks ass, or if we must, how about a pirate movie that teaches us to believe in our selves, like Robin Williams :"HOOK">?
if not , lets jump to some nitty gritty movies, like good fellas? I know a guy who knew that Tommy guy in real life
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Why not do one this Friday and another on the 16th? Considering all the interest and all the great suggestions, why limit it to one night?
Because this is a book club not a movie club. :P
We just happen to throw in a movie night every couple of books. After this movie we'll be getting started on the next reading selection.
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I think some of you must not be reading the OP and are suggesting things so unrelated to the focus of the book club that I'll have to weed a few out when putting the poll together. Don't get me wrong I'm not strictly defining what relates and what doesn't, but this isn't supposed to be a thread for "name a good movie".
That being said, there are a LOT of great suggestions so far! I am really excited to see what you guys end up deciding on. I am surprised there haven't been very many documentaries nominated yet, considering the focus of the book club, I would think it would be much easier to find documentaries that fit the bill.
The secret of Oz- a smaller version of the money masters, although very similar to the creature from jekeyl island, all 3 are brilliant peices of work
This would be a GREAT choice!! It would tie in perfectly with the book we just finished!! Even if that's not selected, I am going to have to give this a watch myself, and I would certainly recommend it to anyone who was reading the last book with us, or anyone who wanted to but didn't have the time. This would be a great way to educate yourself on the same subject matter.
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The topic is about anarchist/libertarian/political/economic/freedom films, BUT the thread has become about drug films. Well, that's drug fiends for you!!
My non-drug suggestion is SPARTACUS, 1960.
My suggestion that also includes drugs is EASY RIDER, 1969.
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Well I suppose it is specifically the "drug" part of the freedom movement that brings most of us together, so I have no problems with a drug related movie, as long as it has some underlying message about the war on drugs, the legality of them, societies view vs the govt's view, etc etc.
Something that can somehow be tied into the topic of "freedom".
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Layer cake....
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Just watched waking life, as recommended earlier in the thread. That was really good i HAVE to watch it again when im tripping. It was somewhat related to the topic but not realyy tho.
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Well I suppose it is specifically the "drug" part of the freedom movement that brings most of us together, so I have no problems with a drug related movie, as long as it has some underlying message about the war on drugs, the legality of them, societies view vs the govt's view, etc etc.
Something that can somehow be tied into the topic of "freedom".
In that case inigo, I must redact anything I said previously and vote for Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas. I feel it fits with what you described very well. Yet it's also a zany drug movie to boot.
Also, you mentioned documentaries earlier, that made me think of Cocaine Cowboys. Specifically the first one, not the second. Not suggesting it for movie night, but anyone who hasn't seen it should check it out. Spectacular insight into the Miami cocaine business that exploded in the 80s.
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I think like 50% of everyone here has seen either Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas and Half Baked half a dozen times. Probably the same for Requiem for a Dream and Trainspotting and probably the Basketball Diaries. Considering this is like the top tier hierarchy of drug users watching a drug movie seems kind of pointless. Drug movies are prerequisite in a long series of life decisions that conform your personality to deviancy and allowed you to come here in the first place. I don't want to have a circle jerk and watch Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas as much as I enjoy Hunter S. Thompson. If I'm going to participate in a movie night I want to watch something poignant and though provoking.
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12 angry men was one movie that really touched me!
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Looking foward to seeing which gets selected. On terms of money, bill stills docs are the best ive ever seen, he's not the mnost confident public speaker, however, he makes a good doc.
Valhalla Rising - A movie i dont think many have seen, its not clear what it is about, however, i took that its about natual wild man vs civilisted man. Really really thought provoking.
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It's kind of a little let of the middle but I highly recommend "The Seven Psychopaths". It stars Colin Farrell, Christopher Walken, Woody Harrelson, Tom Waits amongst others. Great story line, great acting and you're guaranteed quite a few laughs at the twists in the plot and how life starts to reflect art in a manner of speaking.
I'm not giving the plot away. It's a great view and one of the best movies I've seen it quite some time.
Another all time favorite is definitely "The Men Who Stare at Goats" based on the book by the legendary British journalist / author Jon Ronson.
Great thread guys!! I've now had my must see movie list updated for quite some time now. Just when I though I was starting to run out decent movies to watch. I can't stand watching most of these overly produced and poorly scripted movies that are constantly spewed out by Hollywood these days.
If I so much as hear of one more Fast and the Furious movie or anything remotely akin to such trash being produced again I'll tear my own hair out! I don't know how anybody has the patience and mental stamina to sit through such boring drivel?
Sorry if I've offended any fans of the Fast and the Furious franchise but I highly doubt that there's anyone here amongst us who fits that profile. At least not on this thread based off of the previous threads I've read.
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just thought of one... what was that movie where the guy is an undercover cop and the mask he wears is a constantly shifting face. drugs are involved, so is LE, and it's just a damn cool movie from what I remember. It was done in that style where it is shot live, but then each frame is animated afterward. Adapted from a book if I recall.
Great film, but read the book. A very good read that's for sure.
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Another all time favorite is definitely "The Men Who Stare at Goats" based on the book by the legendary British journalist / author Jon Ronson.
Jon Ronson's documentary "The Crazy Rulers of the World" covers the same stuff, and is totally incredible and fascinating. It's 3 episodes for TV though, so may not qualify for the movie night. If you liked the movie of "the men who stare at goats", do watch the documentary or read the book; it'll blow your mind how much of the crazy stuff from that movie is real.
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i want in!! i want in!!
how about the movie Pi.. as in π
or 12 monkeys..
both very fine movies for sure.
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I would like to add "The coconut Revolution" a movie and documentary.
The movie is about the successful uprising of the indigenous peoples of Bougainville Island against the Papua New Guinea army and the mining plans of the mining corporation Rio Tinto Zinc and how they exploit one of their natural resources. Truly wonderful and inspiring movie. One i shall never forget!
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Star Wars! What a great libertarian struggle. Much better than Star Trek's "federation knows best" theme. Firefly was a show with a lot of cool libertarian lines so I guess Serenity should be on the list. Dr. Strangelove is one of my favorites. Minority Report, Red dawn. Starship Troopers is a little Fascist but they talk a little about the "failed social experiments of the 20th century" in the movie, much more so in the book. ATLAS SHRUGGED is my nomination. At least until they make "the moon is a harsh mistress" my all time favorite book.
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Uhm "How to make money selling drugs" released 2012. Have anyone of you watched this? :)
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I just watched waking life after reading this thread, it was a really amazing movie. Extremely thought provoking and it was good to know I'm not the only person who spends hours thinking about this kind of stuff. Several of the conversations in the movie about free will, becoming a new person every 7 years and language were topics I have vigorously debated with friends in the past and the whole thing really struck a chord with me.
I will definitely be watching Waking life again, as well as torrenting and watching every single movie suggestion everyone has made here, thanks guys :)
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Uhm "How to make money selling drugs" released 2012. Have anyone of you watched this? :)
I watched it recently. I don't like most drug documentaries but that one is entertaining.
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Starship Troopers is a little Fascist but they talk a little about the "failed social experiments of the 20th century" in the movie, much more so in the book.
ST *appears* a little fascist but it's not. It's by Dutch liberal legend Paul Verhoven. It's a *satire* on fascism - but played straight - and is part of what I call his "American Fascist" trilogy.
ST was a satire on military fascism and the effect of it creeping into civilian life. ROBOCOP was a satire about domestic corporate fascism. TOTAL RECALL was a satire about the insidious mind-fuck fascism of a secret state.
Three fucking amazing films, and even better if watched together as a trilogy.
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I'm nominating Steven Soderbergh's very underrated movie Traffic. It's not explicitly libertarian, but I think its stinging critique of the War On Drugs should make it a contender. Also, there's a fabulously anti-government scene where Michael Douglas as newly appointed drugs tsar has to attend a meet and greet function with Capitol Hill legislators who want to pepper the new drugs tsar with all their great ideas for winning the War on Drugs. He has to belt down several tumblers of whisky so he can tolerate all their bullshit. And the kicker is that the politicians were all genuine sitting senators at the time of the movie's release and were improvising!
Great cinematography, too...Soderbergh's use of filters to differentiate the storylines worked a treat and was widely emulated. Some awesome acting as well. Benicio del Toro, say no more. Don Cheadle was predictably solid and I've always loved Luis Guzman; even Catherine Zeta Jones turned in one of her better performances. Oh, and the soundtrack was bloody excellent. Soderbergh even used a 20 year old Brian Eno track from his Apollo: Atmospheres and Soundtracks LP for the final scene of the movie....class. The final scene was touching, too. Civil society asserting itself.
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ATLAS SHRUGGED is my nomination.
I was wondering how long it would take til someone nominated this. :)
Are you referring to part 1 or part 2? Or should I include both in the poll? Or maybe back to back as one nomination? :D
Part 2 certainly has much better production value but I worry that if chosen people might have a hard time knowing what was going on due to not watching part 1 first...
I soooooooo wish that "Alongside Night" was out already. It's supposed to be coming out VERY soon, and when it does, I think it will have to be the selection for our 3rd movie night, maybe we can even read the book first.
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Well I suppose it is specifically the "drug" part of the freedom movement that brings most of us together, so I have no problems with a drug related movie, as long as it has some underlying message about the war on drugs, the legality of them, societies view vs the govt's view, etc etc.
Something that can somehow be tied into the topic of "freedom".
How about all of our Freedom to clean water and air? I think Gasland & Gasland part II are eye-opening documentaries on the future of the world, and a perfect example of the power of government, versus the care of it's citizens.
This isn't just an issue in the United States. Not many people media outlets are talking about it, because the governments control the media.
Just a thought.
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Das Leben der Anderen (The Lives of Others) is one of my favorite movies, even more now - considering the shit NSA has been pulling off
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The Lives Of Others is a fucking excellent movie. Not libertarian in bent, but a scalpel-sharp insight into the workings of the totalitarian state. Of course, softcock social democrats and big government conservatives shake their heads in horror but sleep easy thinking "at least that could never happen to us", as the state slowly and incrementally assumes more and more control over the individual.
Dear OWS idiots - THE STATE IS NOT YOUR FRIEND and never will be, not even if you could somehow enact the ideal state you envisage.
I suspect no one mentioned the obvious - Atlas Shrugged - because it wasn't a particularly good movie.
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While it doesn't necessarily promote libertarian ideals I think 'Wake in Fright' is a cautionary tale of the possibility of libertarian distopia. Every political philosophy should be aware of it's possible perversions. From what I hear it is actually a pretty accurate portrait of Australian bush towns too.
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has anyone suggested "Into The Wild"? amazing!!!!!
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Pi (1998)
A paranoid mathematician searches for a key number that will unlock the universal patterns found in nature. Representatives both from a Hasidic cabalistic sect and high-powered Wall Street firm hear of that secret and attempt to seduce him.
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Searching for Sugarman
The story of Rodriguez - a quite amazing story :)
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How to make Money Selling Drugs is a good one. Just watched that recently as well.
Though, it doesn't quite tell us anything we don't already know, it's a good movie for all those just starting out in the game. It's equal parts promoting and making a mockery of the Black Market. And points out the failures of the Drug War. Definitely a relevant selection, all things considered.
Though, I think "The Dread Pirate Roberts" should be one of the 'levels' of the Game. lmao
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I am surprised there haven't been very many documentaries nominated yet, considering the focus of the book club, I would think it would be much easier to find documentaries that fit the bill.
Wasn't sure documentaries were allowed, but in that case i would like to suggest a documentary about the war on drugs:
The House I Live In (2012) - By Eugene Jarecki
IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2125653/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1
Trailer: http://www.imdb.com/video/imdb/vi4175930393/?ref_=tt_ov_vi
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0atL1HSwi8
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Not sure if its been mentioned but Into the wild is a good movie
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Also not sure if this has been mentioned:
City of God (2002)
Great film showing the rise of organised crime in Rio de Janeiro, it has it's own anarcho-capitalism feel.
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One of my favorite is a French movie called La belle Verte. No drugs included but the meaning of movie is about being simple in your life and it shows pretty much how consuming and ugly our society is. Worth watching especially for those you like french films.
And of course the first half of the legendary Matrix 1
Nice thread by the way with lots of good suggestions.
Take care
Adamiz
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"Southland Tales" is a real gem. "I am a PIMP, and Pimps do NOT commit suicide!"
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Oh.. oh.. oh! Please make it Naked Lunch (Cronenberg, 1991)!
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Hey I saw the thread and thought I might check it out. If any of you enjoy or are interested by a more documentary movie about at least a few of the things Inigo mentioned in the OP, then how about the movie ZeitGeist? If anyone else has seen it you should know how great it is and I'm sure your mind has been at least opened up to a huge array of possibilities, If not entirely changing what you believe about the subjects.
If you haven't heard of it I'd say google Zeitgeist movie summary or the such. Really is a quite amazing movie.
NS
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Enter the Void is a 2009 fantasy film written and directed by Gaspar Noé and starring Nathaniel Brown, Paz de la Huerta and Cyril Roy. Set in the neon-lit nightclub environments of Tokyo, the story follows Oscar, a young American drug dealer (edit: DMT) who gets shot by the police, but continues to watch succeeding events during an out-of-body experience. The film is shot from a first-person viewpoint, which often floats above the city streets, and occasionally features Oscar staring over his own shoulder as he recalls moments from his past. Noé labels the film as a "psychedelic melodrama". "
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last days here, Pentagram documentary.
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"Natural Born Killers" was a decent drug movie when I was 17 and loaded up on Robitussin
"Adaptation" I recall gave me the feeling of being in an altered state of mind, perhaps Nicolas Cage's best acting performance, with the always ineffable Chris Cooper
"Magnolia" for the pharmaceutical lovers out there....Julianne Moore being accosted in the pharmacy and Philip Seymour Hoffman spilling all the pills...Tom Cruise being his insane self (not approved by the Church of Scientology) ;)
"Happiness"....who knew a funny movie could be make about a pedophile? Philip Seymour Hoffman (not the pedophile) uses a curious bodily secretion as an adhesive. Watch the salt, Ben Gazzara! (not the pedophile) A Suburbia Sucks! type of movie. (which reminds me of "American Beauty" with a pot smoking Kevin Spacey) (pedophile?)
I never saw "The Island of Dr. Moreau"......but I hear Marlon Brando is pretty much out of his gourd in that one........?
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I would say "The Village" by M. Night Shyamalan given that the metaphor applies on various levels to how Americans view the outside world as well as how many view freedom and anonymity.
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What about "Cloud Atlas" Ii just watched it a few weeks ago and I'm still trying to get my head around the whole film, It can tie in with the theme in that it highlights how everything is connected and how one small thing from the past can inspire a revolution.....Ahem
From imdb
"An exploration of how the actions of individual lives impact one another in the past, present and future, as one soul is shaped from a killer into a hero, and an act of kindness ripples across centuries to inspire a revolution. "
Plus it's amazing to try and keep up with it and make sense of it all if your high.
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"Adaptation" I recall gave me the feeling of being in an altered state of mind, perhaps Nicolas Cage's best acting performance, with the always ineffable Chris Cooper
Not particularly a fan of Nicholas Cage, but /Adaptation/ is a fantastic movie. I enjoy Kaufman's stuff.
If you want a mind fuck, /Synecdoche, New York/ is good.
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Yeah, I should have clarified that even more....Nicolas Cage's ONLY noteworthy acting performance. LOL. ;) Otherwise, he sucks.
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I know Oliver Stone was trying to be all cynical but Gordon Gekko's Greed Is Good speech comes pretty close to a free-marketeer's prayer.
I feel like cheering every time I hear it.
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economic and political type of movie with a good background in a book ?
dang. This is hard. how about "Rango" ?
it's about losing all the water, with a town losing all it's resources backed up by capitalist greed.
A good book would be like moving to the west for gold type of thing. were money is all backed up by tangible good or barter like a cool system of trade
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Yeah, I should have clarified that even more....Nicolas Cage's ONLY noteworthy acting performance. LOL. ;) Otherwise, he sucks.
Slightly ironic how two of the movies I mentioned star Nicolas Cage. [OMG, I only just today learned that all this time I've been misspelling that name.]
I think with regard to acting "skill" his was reasonably good in that one movie with Cher - though I couldn't help but wonder if it's because that's how he is IRL.
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I would like to officially nominate the timeless classic The Waterboy. This movie embodies all the properties of a man gaining his freedom from the oppression of others and overcoming adversity in society.
:) :)
Or there's always Shawshank Redemption. Another one of my favorites.
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I would like to officially nominate the timeless classic The Waterboy. This movie embodies all the properties of a man gaining his freedom from the oppression of others and overcoming adversity in society.
:) :)
Or there's always Shawshank Redemption. Another one of my favorites.
How in the hell did I forget the Shawshank Redemption?
Or the Waterboy! A classic struggle against oppression.
Lol Cirrus has a bit of a troll in him. I like you Cirrus.
:)
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I don't know who it was but someone earlier nominated the movie 'Brazil' from 1985 and I just watched it last night after torrenting every single one of the suggestions people made in this thread.
It was the best movie I've ever seen in my life... literally the best... like better than any movie i've ever watched before in my entire life. I'm gonna watch it again tonight it was that good.
Thank you Silk Road.
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I don't know who it was but someone earlier nominated the movie 'Brazil' from 1985 and I just watched it last night after torrenting every single one of the suggestions people made in this thread.
It was the best movie I've ever seen in my life... literally the best... like better than any movie i've ever watched before in my entire life. I'm gonna watch it again tonight it was that good.
Thank you Silk Road.
Terry Giiliam is a great director. Brazil is fucking awesome. He also did Fear and Loathing.
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Sorry if this has already been championed, but I think Billy Bob Thornton's "Sling Blade" is a modern classic. Gay Jon Ritter. Drunk Ass Dwight Yoakam. So many great lines. " I like them French fried potaters." ;D
"Dog Day Afternoon" is a great bank heist flick...maybe Pacino's best? 8)
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I don't know who it was but someone earlier nominated the movie 'Brazil' from 1985 and I just watched it last night after torrenting every single one of the suggestions people made in this thread.
It was the best movie I've ever seen in my life... literally the best... like better than any movie i've ever watched before in my entire life. I'm gonna watch it again tonight it was that good.
Thank you Silk Road.
Terry Giiliam is a great director. Brazil is fucking awesome. He also did Fear and Loathing.
I can't believe i've missed out for so many years, i'm gonna watch every single one of his films now :)
+1
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Oldboy:
After being kidnapped and imprisoned for 15 years, Oh Dae-Su is released, only to find that he must find his captor in 5 days.
Battle Royale:
In the future, the Japanese government captures a class of ninth-grade students and forces them to kill each other under the revolutionary "Battle Royale" act.
Die Welle:
A high school teacher's unusual experiment to demonstrate to his students what life is like under a dictatorship spins horribly out of control when he forms a social unit with a life of its own.
All about lily chou-chou:
Life isn't easy for a group of high school kids growing up absurd in Japan's pervasive pop/cyber culture. As they negotiate teen badlands- school bullies, parents from another planet, lurid snapshots of sex and death- these everyday rebels without a cause seek sanctuary, even salvation, through pop star savior Lily Chou-Chou, embracing her sad, dreamy songs and sharing their fears and secrets in Lilyholic chat rooms. Immersed in the speed of everyday troubles, their lives inevitably climax in a fatal collision between real and virtual identities, a final logging-off from innocence.
Milk:
The story of Harvey Milk, and his struggles as an American gay activist who fought for gay rights and became California's first openly gay elected official.
And I agree with the poster who mentioned Cloud Atlas. If you like the film, I recommend reading the book.
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I don't know who it was but someone earlier nominated the movie 'Brazil' from 1985 and I just watched it last night after torrenting every single one of the suggestions people made in this thread.
It was the best movie I've ever seen in my life... literally the best... like better than any movie i've ever watched before in my entire life. I'm gonna watch it again tonight it was that good.
Thank you Silk Road.
Terry Giiliam is a great director. Brazil is fucking awesome. He also did Fear and Loathing.
I can't believe i've missed out for so many years, i'm gonna watch every single one of his films now :)
+1
Before Brazil was his Python work, e.g. Life of Brian, Jabberwocky, Holy Grail, Meaning of Life. ALL of them worth watching. (I dislike Python TV, but love Python film).
After Brazil and up to Fear and Loathing he made three incredible films. Twelve Monkeys (famous), Fisher King (sill famous), and The Adventures of Baron Munchausen (not so famous, very good, very weird).
Time Bandits is also a drop-dead fucking classic.
I haven't seen any of his post-2000 work... gonna have to download them all.
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Hey I nominated Brazil so bring on the positive karma!
I love this film, it is a work of art and is definitely best watched stoned so you can fully appreciate all the comedic layers.
Also a great cast and a visually stunning movie to compliment the well written screenplay
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Lol. Going back through my old posts I actually nominated Brazil, Fear and Loathing and 12 monkeys.
12 Monkeys is fucking awesome, I don't think it's appropriate for movie night, but it should be on some future list.
I'll start my own movie night thread! With blackjack and hookers!
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I would like to officially nominate the timeless classic The Waterboy. This movie embodies all the properties of a man gaining his freedom from the oppression of others and overcoming adversity in society.
:) :)
Or there's always Shawshank Redemption. Another one of my favorites.
How in the hell did I forget the Shawshank Redemption?
Or the Waterboy! A classic struggle against oppression.
Lol Cirrus has a bit of a troll in him. I like you Cirrus.
:)
Thanks :) You're not so bad yourself :D
Shawshank is great... get busy living, or get busy dieing.
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What about Django?
A slave given freedom and using the very laws of his oppressors to exact a little justice and uplift his oppressed brothers, seems fitting to me. Plus I love anything done by Mr. T, except his accent in the movie, not sure about that one.
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Django Unchained sucks.
Inglorious Basterds.
They killed Hitler.
Boom!
Shoot.
Dead.
Bear Jew.
Argue with my logic.
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Django Unchained sucks.
Inglorious Basterds.
They killed Hitler.
Boom!
Shoot.
Dead.
Bear Jew.
Argue with my logic.
lol I'm not sure what there is to argue about here.
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...Finding Nemo
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Argue with my logic.
There have been a WW2 million films about defeating the Nazis.
Indeed the ONLY interesting WW2 of the last 20 years was the one from Hitler's POV (and because of it).
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Three Words:
Cool. Hand. Luke.
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Three Words:
Cool. Hand. Luke.
I second this, merely because I still feel like no man can eat 50 eggs and Paul Newman makes good dressing.
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Sorry, didn't see this thread earlier :-[
I just wrote this in the movie poll thread:
-The Union: The Business Behind Getting High (best drug doc EVER)
-http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1039647/
-Equilibrium (like 1984 - Orwell would've been very proud)
-http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0238380/
*updated for links
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Super surprised Gilliam fans haven't breathed a word about The Fisher King until this post. That movie will make your fucking head spin! It got Oscar nominations up the ass back in the day. Definitely recommended!
+1 for Time Bandits and Munchausen!! Other than some occasional fetish porn, you will NEVER see another movie made with like 16 midgets in it again. ;D :o
Before Brazil was his Python work, e.g. Life of Brian, Jabberwocky, Holy Grail, Meaning of Life. ALL of them worth watching. (I dislike Python TV, but love Python film).
After Brazil and up to Fear and Loathing he made three incredible films. Twelve Monkeys (famous), Fisher King (sill famous), and The Adventures of Baron Munchausen (not so famous, very good, very weird).
Time Bandits is also a drop-dead fucking classic.
I haven't seen any of his post-2000 work... gonna have to download them all.
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Quills - movie about the life of the libertine's libertine, the Marquis de Sade.
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Three Words:
Cool. Hand. Luke.
I second this, merely because I still feel like no man can eat 50 eggs and Paul Newman makes good dressing.
One of my favorite movies, as you can tell from my user name.
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Three Words:
Cool. Hand. Luke.
I second this, merely because I still feel like no man can eat 50 eggs and Paul Newman makes good dressing.
here as well!!
perfect anti-establishment theme!!
'what we have here is a failure to communicate.. which is what he wants!!'