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Discussion => Silk Road discussion => Topic started by: philter3 on March 15, 2012, 01:52 am
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I am putting this question in the Main discussion section since I've not yet upgraded to a vendor account.
Question is this.. is there a community etiquette standard towards pricing? Here's where I'm coming from..
I'm not considering vending anything I didn't grow. I'm a fungi guy. It costs me almost nothing to do what I'm going to do (I was doing it anyway.. I just upped production by... ahem.. well a good bit). I'm a paranoid guy. I look at S.R. and the mere thought of even possibly getting some $$ for my crops with almost no LE risk makes me salivate.
At the same time.. I don't want to be *that* asshole. Is there a community etiquette standard.. like say don't undercut the average price on a product by more than 25% or something to keep everybody vending getting a taste?
Some guidance from the senior members of the community would be appreciated. It's not good to undermine the long term health of a laudable project like this by playing hard-ball economics and dominating a niche product by dropping the price to the floor and beating it with a ballpen hammer right? Or is that just how the community wants it and is aiming for?
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Hell no man, this isn't The Informant, we aren't all involved in a price fixing scheme... Come in and undercut all the vendors by 50%, I bet you don't get one complaint. It's quite the contrary actually as vendors need not worry about other vendors pricing unless they are buying from that vendor.
If you can grow any product and blow all the other sellers out of the water, feel free to do it. SR is a free market, you are your own ceo. If vendors get mad you have better prices, they need to step their game up and get the fuck over it quickly.
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hell yeah this is a free market PLUS most of the weed (i assume it's weed you're growing / i can't say much about other drug's prices) on SR is waaaaaaaay too expensive. yes i know there has to be some effort put into the whole thing as a vendor but c'mon 20+ dollars for ONE!!!!(1) gram of weed? wtf is this? i live in a area where weed is extremely expensive compared to the rest of europe but even around here people would spit in your face for demanding 20+ bucks...
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hell yeah this is a free market PLUS most of the weed (i assume it's weed you're growing / i can't say much about other drug's prices) on SR is waaaaaaaay too expensive. yes i know there has to be some effort put into the whole thing as a vendor but c'mon 20+ dollars for ONE!!!!(1) gram of weed? wtf is this? i live in a area where weed is extremely expensive compared to the rest of europe but even around here people would spit in your face for demanding 20+ bucks...
No sorry friend .. like I said I'm a fungi/mushroom guy. That's why my ongoing input costs are so low..
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oh lol yes. i read fungi and was like "wtf thats italian for mushrooms" and didn't realize what you were about ;D
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Doesn't matter how completely absurd you price your items ($30 for a gram of weed) some retard is still going to fucking buy it. This really annoys me, if we didn't buy drugs at ridiculous prices vendors would be forced to lower them. Seems like I'm the only one that grasps this concept.
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My two cents: when I see a new vendor undercut everyone by 50% my first thought is scam vendor or shoddy/questionable product. Why not undercut them by a few dollars, you'll still get the business.
As for a tale of two drugs, the price of weed is high in here compared to the real world, while I've seen the price of shrooms go from an average of $240 an oz last summer to about $140 now. Lots of growers but not enough buyers to sop up all the supply. Major glut in shrooms now. Would be nice to see prices fall like that in the weed dept.
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My two cents: when I see a new vendor undercut everyone by 50% my first thought is scam vendor or shoddy/questionable product. Why not undercut them by a few dollars, you'll still get the business.
As for a tale of two drugs, the price of weed is high in here compared to the real world, while I've seen the price of shrooms go from an average of $240 an oz last summer to about $140 now. Lots of growers but not enough buyers to sop up all the supply. Major glut in shrooms now. Would be nice to see prices fall like that in the weed dept.
I can't imagine someone paying $240 for a zone's worth of cubes. Course it's kinda hard to imagine paying $140 either given the seeming advantages of this place.. My assumption was that given the escrow system exists.. (i.e. I *KNOW* dude had the money.. and had to part with it) and given that we never meet (good luck siccing Johny Law on me) the prices should drop quite a bit further past that $140 point. This is for a growing seller.. the math is *totally* different if I had to pay my own dope man.
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Doesn't matter how completely absurd you price your items ($30 for a gram of weed) some retard is still going to fucking buy it. This really annoys me, if we didn't buy drugs at ridiculous prices vendors would be forced to lower them. Seems like I'm the only one that grasps this concept.
Dude.. I agree with ya. I'm just trying to figure out the optimal pricing to sell the most fungi without being a complete dick to the people who beat me here and set up their lemonade stands first.
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Doesn't matter how completely absurd you price your items ($30 for a gram of weed) some retard is still going to fucking buy it. This really annoys me, if we didn't buy drugs at ridiculous prices vendors would be forced to lower them. Seems like I'm the only one that grasps this concept.
Dude.. I agree with ya. I'm just trying to figure out the optimal pricing to sell the most fungi without being a complete dick to the people who beat me here and set up their lemonade stands first.
Doesn't matter man, it's a free market. Don't feel bad about undercutting people, in fact you'll probably need to do it to get your business off the ground.
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Doesn't matter man, it's a free market. Don't feel bad about undercutting people, in fact you'll probably need to do it to get your business off the ground.
I agree with all of the input so far, great advice gang. Philter, I would recommend a dynamic approach to your pricing scheme. Enter the market at around -25% as suggested to gain some initial customers, feedback, and reputation. If you aren't getting any bites, lower prices. Once you are getting a regular flow of orders, simply adjust your prices to keep up with supply and demand. If your stock is getting bought out as soon as it is harvested, raise your prices. If your harvest is sitting on the shelf for weeks on end before being sold, or you are accumulating supply, lower your prices. There are alot of factors at play including customer service, reputation, packaging/shipping, etc. Focus on serving your customers and adjust your prices to keep a minimum inventory of product and don't take any chances with your security. If you find success and want to expand, do so slowly and carefully. Also, if you can supply large quantities at low prices, you could get into big $$$ where your main customers are folks buying for local redistribution. Good luck!
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Welcome philter3,
Glad to have another vendor for "fungi" here.
What you should do so as to justify whatever price you charge is to give out some samples of your product to some established and trusted members on the site who will in turn review your product. Some may even do a comparative to the quality of the product other shroom vendors sell.
Many vendors have started out by giving away samples to be reviewed. You may find that because of the quality of your product, rather than undercutting the competition, you can sell at a small premium relative to the others.
Seriously consider giving out samples as a form of advertizing. In the end, you may find buyers beating a path to your proverbial door to buy what you have.
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the prices should drop quite a bit further past that $140 point. This is for a growing seller.. the math is *totally* different if I had to pay my own dope man.
Sure $140 an oz isn't that bad for a grower, but this ain't street dealing, where you get handed $140 in cash tax free and walk away. You gotta pay the Pirate his 9% commission, then you pay the 4% escrow fee, then you gotta figure out how to get those bitcoins into cash, which isn't free by a longshot, and we haven't even gotten into the wild swings in the bitcoin price while your orders sit in escrow for 17 days. Add in a few scam buyers and all of a sudden $140 an oz becomes $100 real quick.
Before you go nuts with some crazy sale, keep in mind that the price you put for your product is not the price you get in the end. Listen to the advice in here, you're better off giving out some samples, creating a presence on the forums and doing right by the orders you get. Stick with that and you'll grow your business just fine. Cowboys never last in here.
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Philter3, I know all about cubensis too.im in your boat too. All I need is a bag of wbs, a few tubs, and some castings. I figured at one point my bplus only costs 4.00 a ounce to produce. You a topiate or a shroomery bro?
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lol just undercut it, sucks for some items because supply is difficult but lol at 20/g for weed. the prices have come up significantly from ~6mnths ago on many items, lsd used to be around 8usd for 100um even when buying only 5 or so. no it's up to 12+ for many vendors. i'm assuming the more reputable guys just go higher cos they can, and the rest follow. it's not like many people have access to lots of lsd anyway so it works for them
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Doesn't matter how completely absurd you price your items ($30 for a gram of weed) some retard is still going to fucking buy it. This really annoys me, if we didn't buy drugs at ridiculous prices vendors would be forced to lower them. Seems like I'm the only one that grasps this concept.
especially the US vendors calling their shit "MEDICAL AAA+" or some other similar shit. that's just like a sneaky guy slinging coke advertising it in the most silly way -> some idiots are still gonna buy that...
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i won't even click on 85% of the weed listings on SR because they are stupid expensive, and I'm willing to bet there are many more like me who cannot part with their btc without a deal.
please, by all means, undercut the fuck out of these guys.
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Price the stuff at the price it makes it worth it to you. If that's lower than everyone else, they'll have to match you or only sell when you are out.
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speaking as someone who wants shrooms and has very little money, i would like to encourage you to price them as low as possible :)
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Yeh,prices on bud,are gonna go up..Happends all the time in cali.. starting spring and on,until outdoor harvests,are ready.Nov. and on...
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the prices should drop quite a bit further past that $140 point. This is for a growing seller.. the math is *totally* different if I had to pay my own dope man.
Sure $140 an oz isn't that bad for a grower, but this ain't street dealing, where you get handed $140 in cash tax free and walk away. You gotta pay the Pirate his 9% commission, then you pay the 4% escrow fee, then you gotta figure out how to get those bitcoins into cash, which isn't free by a longshot, and we haven't even gotten into the wild swings in the bitcoin price while your orders sit in escrow for 17 days. Add in a few scam buyers and all of a sudden $140 an oz becomes $100 real quick.
Before you go nuts with some crazy sale, keep in mind that the price you put for your product is not the price you get in the end. Listen to the advice in here, you're better off giving out some samples, creating a presence on the forums and doing right by the orders you get. Stick with that and you'll grow your business just fine. Cowboys never last in here.
Well I'm not a cowboy by any stretch. A cowboy wouldn't have put up a "educate me" thread and pointed the Captain at it looking for input.
I have a strong background in industry. I deal with volume, quality, documentation and the like all the time (ooooh how I hate them all!!). This thread is an intel run brother. And your candor is much appreciated. I had not considered the bitcoin volatility (mainly cause I'm trying to get out of FRN/monopoly money and into BTC and bullion). The BTC valuation is probably going to go way up long term.. if I'm trying to cash out quick then I'm not doing my job right.. right? Ditto on the escrow.. If I'm trying to pay my rent off being someone's dope man.. I'm definitely not hewing to the side of right and caution. As long as I know I'm not likely to get ripped off completely.. er.. 17 days? 30? 45? Ok at 45 I'd start to get annoyed :D I got a day job (two actually.. and a third thing that doesn't pay for shit). Who cares if the check from my hobby enterprise is slow... as long as it's somewhere in the pipeline.
I will say this brother.. when you said "you might only get $100 an oz!" like it was something bad I almost snorted my chai on my keyboard. I had mapped out my process for a "take home" of $75 a zone and figured that was a "best case" scenario. Would I have to take less to sell enough to use my capacity fully? And I was wondering how I could keep my scammer issues, mail losses and re-sends to 20%. How much weight to give away initially etc.
Basically I'm not a cowboy. What I am... is really really really thoughtful. So much so that when I decide something is doable.. I get a little giddy :D
Giggity-giggity!!! ;) ;) ;)
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speaking as someone who wants shrooms and has very little money, i would like to encourage you to price them as low as possible :)
Comrade Kremlin!
While I am happy to provide the fruits of my labors as widely as is practical and safe, neverthless as a true socialist (i.e. a non-coercive one) and libertarian I encourage you to seize the means of (shroom) production for yourself. I will add you to my list and when the sample arrives and you see my listings please consider.. I started on a shoestring.. skimming off my puny allowance to buy a first spore syringe via mail order from PF. You can do it too!! (growing your own I mean). To misquote the Bard..
"Get thee to a Shroomery!!"
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Philter3, I know all about cubensis too.im in your boat too. All I need is a bag of wbs, a few tubs, and some castings. I figured at one point my bplus only costs 4.00 a ounce to produce. You a topiate or a shroomery bro?
Bro,
Not to hate on your methods.. cause I respect all approaches.. but FUCK that WBS shit man. I about gave myself a coronary trying to get the moisture content right. Those with the straight grain mogufa have my utmost respect. I can't say I have their skill though.
My amazonians and peruvians.. I'd say they cost me way less than $4/oz. Course I'm HUGE on liquid culture and economies of scale. Brute forcing the philosopher's stone :D Sugar, water, rice, coir, and verm aren't very expensive. Just patience and attention to detail. Laminar flow hoods help also :D
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Philter3, I know all about cubensis too.im in your boat too. All I need is a bag of wbs, a few tubs, and some castings. I figured at one point my bplus only costs 4.00 a ounce to produce. You a topiate or a shroomery bro?
Bro,
Not to hate on your methods.. cause I respect all approaches.. but FUCK that WBS shit man. I about gave myself a coronary trying to get the moisture content right. Those with the straight grain mogufa have my utmost respect. I can't say I have their skill though.
My amazonians and peruvians.. I'd say they cost me way less than $4/oz. Course I'm HUGE on liquid culture and economies of scale. Brute forcing the philosopher's stone :D Sugar, water, rice, coir, and verm aren't very expensive. Just patience and attention to detail. Laminar flow hoods help also :D
:') This man knows what he's doing. I grew shrooms back in the day with cute little cakes and rye. Cost per ounce becomes WAY less when you start doing bulk substrates. I stopped caring and gave away soo much haha
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the prices should drop quite a bit further past that $140 point. This is for a growing seller.. the math is *totally* different if I had to pay my own dope man.
Sure $140 an oz isn't that bad for a grower, but this ain't street dealing, where you get handed $140 in cash tax free and walk away. You gotta pay the Pirate his 9% commission, then you pay the 4% escrow fee, then you gotta figure out how to get those bitcoins into cash, which isn't free by a longshot, and we haven't even gotten into the wild swings in the bitcoin price while your orders sit in escrow for 17 days. Add in a few scam buyers and all of a sudden $140 an oz becomes $100 real quick.
Before you go nuts with some crazy sale, keep in mind that the price you put for your product is not the price you get in the end. Listen to the advice in here, you're better off giving out some samples, creating a presence on the forums and doing right by the orders you get. Stick with that and you'll grow your business just fine. Cowboys never last in here.
Well I'm not a cowboy by any stretch. A cowboy wouldn't have put up a "educate me" thread and pointed the Captain at it looking for input.
I have a strong background in industry. I deal with volume, quality, documentation and the like all the time (ooooh how I hate them all!!). This thread is an intel run brother. And your candor is much appreciated. I had not considered the bitcoin volatility (mainly cause I'm trying to get out of FRN/monopoly money and into BTC and bullion). The BTC valuation is probably going to go way up long term.. if I'm trying to cash out quick then I'm not doing my job right.. right? Ditto on the escrow.. If I'm trying to pay my rent off being someone's dope man.. I'm definitely not hewing to the side of right and caution. As long as I know I'm not likely to get ripped off completely.. er.. 17 days? 30? 45? Ok at 45 I'd start to get annoyed :D I got a day job (two actually.. and a third thing that doesn't pay for shit). Who cares if the check from my hobby enterprise is slow... as long as it's somewhere in the pipeline.
I will say this brother.. when you said "you might only get $100 an oz!" like it was something bad I almost snorted my chai on my keyboard. I had mapped out my process for a "take home" of $75 a zone and figured that was a "best case" scenario. Would I have to take less to sell enough to use my capacity fully? And I was wondering how I could keep my scammer issues, mail losses and re-sends to 20%. How much weight to give away initially etc.
Basically I'm not a cowboy. What I am... is really really really thoughtful. So much so that when I decide something is doable.. I get a little giddy :D
Giggity-giggity!!! ;) ;) ;)
Just reading through this tread out of curiosity and started to think. Have you thought of shipping costs?(envelopes, Vacuum sealing, ect ..) I'm not a vender so don't really know how that cost compares to the others.
But the way I look at it , after all costs covered and loss due to lost or claimed lost packages you expect/ will refund, how much $ do you want for taking on the risks involved? Add it up and that's what you charge. If it's lower than other sellers charge that, If it's more you might want to rethink if you want to do this.
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Most of you guys dont count your labor costs?? if shrooms were easy to grow everyone would be doing it and its not like the pros dont factor in 10-20% loss to contams and everything else that goes wrong.
But if your labor is free then your costs will be low.
if you are slightly serious about selling shrooms of some quantity on SR you will have a substantial outlay. Laminar, commercial ish size sterilizers, jars and consumables.
Do you guys factor this shit in when you set your low low prices? Electricity?
If your shrooms are well under the going rate which I feel is pretty good last time I checked on SR than I will have a guess and say they are wild shrooms.
$20 by the gram for cannabis? lol do you guys know what a kilowatt costs these days? even setting up a little op will set you back $5000. Have you guys ever tried growing hydro? enough to get a little market share? once again it is fucking labor intensive unless you are a veteran grower... apparently.
Thats without even costing out the risk involved.
There is no etiquette involved. But those who come in under market value prices never stay long.. and if they do their price goes up after some thought.
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speaking as someone who wants shrooms and has very little money, i would like to encourage you to price them as low as possible :)
Comrade Kremlin!
While I am happy to provide the fruits of my labors as widely as is practical and safe, neverthless as a true socialist (i.e. a non-coercive one) and libertarian I encourage you to seize the means of (shroom) production for yourself. I will add you to my list and when the sample arrives and you see my listings please consider.. I started on a shoestring.. skimming off my puny allowance to buy a first spore syringe via mail order from PF. You can do it too!! (growing your own I mean). To misquote the Bard..
"Get thee to a Shroomery!!"
i have dabbled in the past but unfortunately my current situation doesn't offer the space or privacy required. luckily i found SR...
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Labor costs? All the labor is in getting set up. Once that fungi by nature do most of the work themselves. Growing shrooms isn't difficult (if like sr you do your due dilligence). Philter seems like a straight up guy who loves growing shrooms. It is a VERY fun and engaging hobby. Those little tykes turn into your kids. I'm a topian myself.
Anyway, I don't want to derail this thread. I will be buying some of philter's wares just because he seems like an honest person that's not out to scam people for money. Just spreading the love so to say. It's always cool to try other's fruits of labor anyway. :)
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I'd just undercut like a mofo if I were you.
Thats what I do with Kindles and I sell 4+ per day.
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Labor costs? All the labor is in getting set up. Once that fungi by nature do most of the work themselves. Growing shrooms isn't difficult (if like sr you do your due dilligence). Philter seems like a straight up guy who loves growing shrooms. It is a VERY fun and engaging hobby. Those little tykes turn into your kids. I'm a topian myself.
Anyway, I don't want to derail this thread. I will be buying some of philter's wares just because he seems like an honest person that's not out to scam people for money. Just spreading the love so to say. It's always cool to try other's fruits of labor anyway. :)
I must be doing it all wrong then ;) All the labor in growing spores/cultures out onto plates, cooking and sterilizing the grain, making and pasteurizing bulk substrate, checking/adjusting your temps/humidity, picking, drying..packing. Did I mention horse shit? Hours spent in paddocks digging for aged shit :o
I have come to the conclusion that the returns do not match the labor and the only thing that makes it worthwhile is the enjoyment you give fellow travelers. The money you get goes back into more production and basically pays for your beer.... during production .
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I'd just undercut like a mofo if I were you.
Thats what I do with Kindles and I sell 4+ per day.
its easy to undercut like a mofu when your gear fell off the back of a truck :P
edit- not sure if this is a global term... it means you didnt pay for them.. but whatever... it doesnt seem so funny now :-[
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I must be doing it all wrong then ;) All the labor in growing spores/cultures out onto plates, cooking and sterilizing the grain, making and pasteurizing bulk substrate, checking/adjusting your temps/humidity, picking, drying..packing. Did I mention horse shit? Hours spent in paddocks digging for aged shit :o
I have come to the conclusion that the returns do not match the labor and the only thing that makes it worthwhile is the enjoyment you give fellow travelers. The money you get goes back into more production and basically pays for your beer.... during production .
If you're not doing grain to grain, I'd suggest doing so. It cuts down on a lot of that. Just cook up the grain and sterilize your jars once the grain dries up and you're golden. Pasteurizing bulk sub can be done in a 5 gal bucket and an hour or two of letting it sit by itself. No need to touch it once the boiling water is poured in. As far as humidity and temp for me it's just set and forget, but that could be different with a different set up. I also live in the country so good or bad horse shit is everywhere and farmers give it away for free lol. Anyway, you obviously are set up and know what you're talking about I've just had an easier experience with my fruits. I'd imagine weed to be exponentially harder. YMMV.
This isn't to derail the thread. Back on point welcome philter. The main point is to price your shrooms where you are happy to do the work because the fact is it is at the very least some work to grow these beautiful things. If you're happy with the price and being fair to yourself I'm sure you'll sell all of your stock. Good luck and welcome to the community.
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I must be doing it all wrong then ;) All the labor in growing spores/cultures out onto plates, cooking and sterilizing the grain, making and pasteurizing bulk substrate, checking/adjusting your temps/humidity, picking, drying..packing. Did I mention horse shit? Hours spent in paddocks digging for aged shit :o
I have come to the conclusion that the returns do not match the labor and the only thing that makes it worthwhile is the enjoyment you give fellow travelers. The money you get goes back into more production and basically pays for your beer.... during production .
OH! Much is explained! You weren't doing it all wrong. You were doing it "all correct".. just like they tell people too.
I think you were unfortunate enough to be smart enough to do it the right way. Unlike me.. who couldn't make the right way work correctly, so went back to the newbie basic route and scaled up to bulk subs along a different path without the rye and agar and horse shit and so forth. See.. I had a laminar when few others did (I used to be into expensive toys for my hobby). So I got into LCs early on.. and they are SOOOO much nicer than plates and agar.
Much respect to you for paying your dues in the horse shit man. You are a better dude than I.
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yeah grain to grain, but there is limits as you know. Ever tried cooking 20kg+ of grain and sterilizing it. Thats a days work amongst other things. Im not talking the throwing a couple of jars of WBS in a sterilizer. This is about growing enough to keep up demand on SR and IRL?
5 gal is not bulk imo. Setting up a 44gal or 2 is bulk.
Also set and forget does not work in bulk grows. Its ok if your in the right temperate, but if you are in a zone where it is 35C in the shade and 110% humidity it is very difficult to cool and achieve the right humidity.
Anyway I am not trying to get in a my dick is bigger than your dick contest, nor do I feel this is a derailment. My point is to achieve a kg of dried shrooms is a fucking lot of work and one should think about this when setting your price. ;)
Peace
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This isn't to derail the thread. Back on point welcome philter. The main point is to price your shrooms where you are happy to do the work because the fact is it is at the very least some work to grow these beautiful things. If you're happy with the price and being fair to yourself I'm sure you'll sell all of your stock. Good luck and welcome to the community.
Man fuck de-railing the thread. Fungi shoptalk is ALL GOOD.. That is the work of the angels period. It's nice to be able to talk about growing AND selling on the same thread (can't do that on some of the very fine grow forums out there).
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I'd just undercut like a mofo if I were you.
Thats what I do with Kindles and I sell 4+ per day.
its easy to undercut like a mofu when your gear fell off the back of a truck :P
edit- not sure if this is a global term... it means you didnt pay for them.. but whatever... it doesnt seem so funny now :-[
Don't apologize.. it was funny as hell. For reference the term stateside is "it's easy to undercut like a mofo when you jacked the shit first" :)
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I'd just undercut like a mofo if I were you.
Thats what I do with Kindles and I sell 4+ per day.
its easy to undercut like a mofu when your gear fell off the back of a truck :P
edit- not sure if this is a global term... it means you didnt pay for them.. but whatever... it doesnt seem so funny now :-[
Don't apologize.. it was funny as hell. For reference the term stateside is "it's easy to undercut like a mofo when you jacked the shit first" :)
My items are SE'd. You are paying for my smooth talking skills.. and trust me.. it took ALOT of expense to work out this method myself.
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I must be doing it all wrong then ;) All the labor in growing spores/cultures out onto plates, cooking and sterilizing the grain, making and pasteurizing bulk substrate, checking/adjusting your temps/humidity, picking, drying..packing. Did I mention horse shit? Hours spent in paddocks digging for aged shit :o
I have come to the conclusion that the returns do not match the labor and the only thing that makes it worthwhile is the enjoyment you give fellow travelers. The money you get goes back into more production and basically pays for your beer.... during production .
OH! Much is explained! You weren't doing it all wrong. You were doing it "all correct".. just like they tell people too.
I think you were unfortunate enough to be smart enough to do it the right way. Unlike me.. who couldn't make the right way work correctly, so went back to the newbie basic route and scaled up to bulk subs along a different path without the rye and agar and horse shit and so forth. See.. I had a laminar when few others did (I used to be into expensive toys for my hobby). So I got into LCs early on.. and they are SOOOO much nicer than plates and agar.
Much respect to you for paying your dues in the horse shit man. You are a better dude than I.
And much respect to you to ;) anyone can grow fungi but to do it in bulk is an art form as you know.
I like the plates;) I can see if it is contaminated (amongst other benefits)before I put it on the grain which is valuable to me because my time is limited. I had less success with LC. Even tho it is easier and quicker it was not as productive for me anyway. Cutting a few chunks of agar and whacking them in a jar colonizes a little slower but not by much imo.
But if you get LC just right then you are laughing.
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My items are SE'd. You are paying for my smooth talking skills.. and trust me.. it took ALOT of expense to work out this method myself.
;) Im not a cop you dont have to explain yourself to me :P
but serious...im curious now!!
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Most of you guys dont count your labor costs?? if shrooms were easy to grow everyone would be doing it and its not like the pros dont factor in 10-20% loss to contams and everything else that goes wrong.
But if your labor is free then your costs will be low.
if you are slightly serious about selling shrooms of some quantity on SR you will have a substantial outlay. Laminar, commercial ish size sterilizers, jars and consumables.
Do you guys factor this shit in when you set your low low prices? Electricity?
If your shrooms are well under the going rate which I feel is pretty good last time I checked on SR than I will have a guess and say they are wild shrooms.
$20 by the gram for cannabis? lol do you guys know what a kilowatt costs these days? even setting up a little op will set you back $5000. Have you guys ever tried growing hydro? enough to get a little market share? once again it is fucking labor intensive unless you are a veteran grower... apparently.
Thats without even costing out the risk involved.
There is no etiquette involved. But those who come in under market value prices never stay long.. and if they do their price goes up after some thought.
Man. I am with you! I first read this thread and recalled the days I did some grows. It was not like you planted a f'ing tulip bulb in the flower bed and one day it popped up and was done. It was a PITA! I did grow some great sheet....so good I stopped doing them. Too much of a control freak and they had me wayyy out there. Last ones I did was fro Avatar 3D in theater......so much over visual stimulation I had to take my glasses off for 50% of the movie.....crazy sheet on that fungi!
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anyone on here,grab a kindle from the reseller?How much was it grand total?
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Last ones I did was fro Avatar 3D in theater......so much over visual stimulation I had to take my glasses off for 50% of the movie.....crazy sheet on that fungi!
trippin on shrooOoms while watching avatar 3d at the cinema???
RESPECT lol ;)
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Nice, another shroom vendor...the more the merrier! There are many ways to grow, I would consider none of them 'wrong' as long as you get something out of your labor. There are more bountiful harvests with other methods of growing but I prefer my way since every now and then I get a monster that just blows everyone's mind. They're beginning to show up more and more fortunately :)
It's all about learning what works for you and refining it till you're constantly happy with your results...
As far as pricing goes, it is a free world around here and a free market...price it how you want to! No matter what your pricing is the market will take care of you as long as you take care of your customers.
Take it easy!
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Last ones I did was fro Avatar 3D in theater......so much over visual stimulation I had to take my glasses off for 50% of the movie.....crazy sheet on that fungi!
trippin on shrooOoms while watching avatar 3d at the cinema???
RESPECT lol ;)
Dude....not shittin ya, bought the movie for the kids on DVD after seeing it....still can not re-watch it to this day. Not a "bad trip", just blown away by the visual stimulation. I forget the strain I grew, but is was wicked. Back in college, I just remember getting shroom and laughing like a MF'er. Not this....this made the f'ing walls pulse in and out
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$100 an oz also looks good to me
I'm just a very small scale fungi hobby'ist but even I make enough money at €4/gram when just buying a pre-made growbox. I can imagine the profit margin to be quite big when doing it from spores to spores.
Also don't forget the joy you get when watching your babies grow! :)
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$100 an oz also looks good to me
I'm just a very small scale fungi hobby'ist but even I make enough money at €4/gram when just buying a pre-made growbox. I can imagine the profit margin to be quite big when doing it from spores to spores.
Also don't forget the joy you get when watching your babies grow! :)
Well ya know bro.. I spent a good bit of time reading through S.R., reading the forum threads, the vendor profiles etc. Trying to get a feel for stuff. I have only two real negative observations..
1.) Prices are high. For the stuff I like anyway (read weed and psychedelics). I have no idea whether the prices for heroin/pills/etc. are high.
2.) The top vendors all have to pay their supplier/s.
I wonder if the two could possibly, possibly somehow be connected?
Anyway I'm going to do an experiment. I been mucking about with growing personal for over a decade. Never got into distro cause I got alot to lose by getting popped on some street action. I've probably been out somewhere between 3-8K US$ on my hobby over the years. I figure.. I should give this place a chance to show me personally it's power. I in turn will show mine. I commit that everything in my present crop of Amazonia will hit the listings at 75% OR LESS of SR average. I'm going to shoot for a price of 20.00 BTC per solid ounce. I have had people tell me via PM that such a price would scream "scam" to people. But the simple truth is.. how can I charge for what I spent on *myself* YEARS ago? When people like Pharmville and DRamsterdam and such are doing huge volumes and trying to make money on a *spread*?
Seems pretty shitty to me.. to say "hey dudes.. I grow.. but even though I got the same legal risk as selling them to a sound long time known bro from the neighborhood..and even though I got maybe a buck an oz. in this.. you are going to have to pay for it like I'm trying hard to make 30% off my investment with my dope man!". That doesn't scan. Not to me.
Harvest happens next month. When it does I'll send out samples to some folks (a few who contacted me, high count posters in my question threads, any of the mods who want a taste). Then I'll sell a whole crop here and see how people respond.
If spirits are high and it's all love.. then I'll keep my production up, keep the prices that low and feed the Fremen :)
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Your approach is sound. You're a new vendor who I'm sure will have glowing product reviews from the samples you'll be sending out. Once you go live, be sure to link the review thread (of the samples) on your sale page. You'd also be wise to sell it cheaper than the competition. At least for the first round until you get some feedback ratings. Then raise your prices a bit to sell what the market is will to bear.
I could see you selling at pricing parity to the competition in no time. You're highly knowledgeable, personable, give off a vibe of trustworthiness and you seem as if you'd be very accommodating of the buyers needs. possessing All the attributes of a great vendor.
Wishing you the best...
BenJesuit
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Philter, sounds like a game plan man. Bringing product at a fair price and doing something you love. I posted a "shoptalk" response the other day but I guess it got lost in the ether?? Anyway, a repost
The first time I ever took acid was the night that my first crop had just pinned. I had taken shrooms before but this was the first time growing and it was on 2 1/2 sorry assed cakes LOL. The 1/2 is because I decided one needed more water and it fell apart when I birthed them. I said what the fuck and tried to fruit it anyway and I'll be damned that baby bloomed hard!
Anyway me and two buddies took this acid and tripped our balls off. After 12 hours we went into the room with the FC to take a look and I thought I had went to the loony bin. The pins had doubled in quantity and tripled in size. I was amazed. From there on out mycology has had me hooked.
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Well ya know bro.. I spent a good bit of time reading through S.R., reading the forum threads, the vendor profiles etc. Trying to get a feel for stuff. I have only two real negative observations..
1.) Prices are high. For the stuff I like anyway (read weed and psychedelics). I have no idea whether the prices for heroin/pills/etc. are high.
2.) The top vendors all have to pay their supplier/s.
I wonder if the two could possibly, possibly somehow be connected?
Anyway I'm going to do an experiment. I been mucking about with growing personal for over a decade. Never got into distro cause I got alot to lose by getting popped on some street action. I've probably been out somewhere between 3-8K US$ on my hobby over the years. I figure.. I should give this place a chance to show me personally it's power. I in turn will show mine. I commit that everything in my present crop of Amazonia will hit the listings at 75% OR LESS of SR average. I'm going to shoot for a price of 20.00 BTC per solid ounce. I have had people tell me via PM that such a price would scream "scam" to people. But the simple truth is.. how can I charge for what I spent on *myself* YEARS ago? When people like Pharmville and DRamsterdam and such are doing huge volumes and trying to make money on a *spread*?
Seems pretty shitty to me.. to say "hey dudes.. I grow.. but even though I got the same legal risk as selling them to a sound long time known bro from the neighborhood..and even though I got maybe a buck an oz. in this.. you are going to have to pay for it like I'm trying hard to make 30% off my investment with my dope man!". That doesn't scan. Not to me.
Harvest happens next month. When it does I'll send out samples to some folks (a few who contacted me, high count posters in my question threads, any of the mods who want a taste). Then I'll sell a whole crop here and see how people respond.
If spirits are high and it's all love.. then I'll keep my production up, keep the prices that low and feed the Fremen :)
I dont feel your negatives are connected. You will find most shroom vendors dont have to pay their suppliers.
Your motivations are clear now and you want to stick it to those who recognize the market value and what it is worth to grow and vend. You will get a little slice but you will do nothing to the overall shroom market because you will sell all your crop cheap and will not have enough for the demand and so the market goes back to normal. But at least you will be popular.
I will be interested to see if you keep up your prices once you realize what vending entails.
Imo if you are going to give away your work you may as well give it all away to mates.
Please dont take my comments as being negative. I am all for experiments and you will definitely see the power of SR. So much so, you will be very popular with those prices. Popularity means more work. More exposure. You will then start to see why the prices are what they are unless your currency is to be popular.
Good Luck on your experiment. I will be following you;)
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I am putting this question in the Main discussion section since I've not yet upgraded to a vendor account.
Question is this.. is there a community etiquette standard towards pricing? Here's where I'm coming from..
I'm not considering vending anything I didn't grow. I'm a fungi guy. It costs me almost nothing to do what I'm going to do (I was doing it anyway.. I just upped production by... ahem.. well a good bit). I'm a paranoid guy. I look at S.R. and the mere thought of even possibly getting some $$ for my crops with almost no LE risk makes me salivate.
At the same time.. I don't want to be *that* asshole. Is there a community etiquette standard.. like say don't undercut the average price on a product by more than 25% or something to keep everybody vending getting a taste?
Some guidance from the senior members of the community would be appreciated. It's not good to undermine the long term health of a laudable project like this by playing hard-ball economics and dominating a niche product by dropping the price to the floor and beating it with a ballpen hammer right? Or is that just how the community wants it and is aiming for?
What you're referring to is "price fixing," and it's illegal in legal markets. All illegal drug dealers participate in price fixing to a certain degree, and the ones that make the most money are the most careful.
You would be harming the market if you set a standard price, or tried to set one. First, even if every seller would agree to it, how would you enforce it? Even in markets where there are laws governing businesses and contracts, there is no way to be sure that another seller would honor their agreement.
It would harm the market if you agreed to a higher price than current market, and it would harm the market if you agreed to a lower price than market. A price floor, or a price lower than market, prices certain sellers out of the market that can't afford to sell at that price. Quality of the product would also suffer with a price floor. A price ceiling not only gouges the buyer (like gas prices) but allows someone brand new to come in and price their stuff so cheap (even if they lose profit for a little while) that other sellers can't compete, losing so much business that the drop out.
The best way to ensure that the SR market isn't fucked up any more than it already is, is to set a price by determining what margin you need to continue to be profitable so your business (and you) can survive/pay expenses, and always set your price to that margin. Make sure you take into account risk, and any money lost due to returns, lost merchandise, or even unscrupulous buyers, because those cause prices to go up and should factor into all of it.
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The best way to ensure that the SR market isn't fucked up any more than it already is, is to set a price by determining what margin you need to continue to be profitable so your business (and you) can survive/pay expenses, and always set your price to that margin. Make sure you take into account risk, and any money lost due to returns, lost merchandise, or even unscrupulous buyers, because those cause prices to go up and should factor into all of it.
I don't see the SR market as fucked up (of course I'm still new!). There are issues but the benefits seemingly FAR outweigh the disadvantages. Frankly the thought of not ever being in a position where I have to decide whether to draw on someone at a business meet, and the idea that I'm basically immune to legal threat if I'm cautious is enough to put up with some MAJOR downsides.
Frankly I'm hoping Novacaine is right and the hungry hordes of S.R. are going to work my ass off. It would be awesome and amazing to have 20+ hours of paying shroom work a week. The problem with my business ventures in the past has always been the same, they are profitable and lots of fun.. but the volume and client numbers haven't been at the level to make them full-time endeavors (granted none of these were dope ventures lol).
One thing to realize is I really do want to work for *myself*. I could go on and on about what I've done in the past in this pursuit.
If the fine folk of S.R. can fuel a business that works volume wise and lets me get out of the timeclock purgatory again .. I'll be eternally grateful and work my ass off to feed the masses.
S.R. vendorship seems like a honest to goodness chance to meld the profit potential and demand of the illegal drug market with the (legal)safety and organization of a legitimate "60 hours a week of maddening challenges" small business.
And get to flick ashes in the eyes of the Leviathan State in the process? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Philter, sounds like a game plan man. Bringing product at a fair price and doing something you love. I posted a "shoptalk" response the other day but I guess it got lost in the ether?? Anyway, a repost
The first time I ever took acid was the night that my first crop had just pinned. I had taken shrooms before but this was the first time growing and it was on 2 1/2 sorry assed cakes LOL. The 1/2 is because I decided one needed more water and it fell apart when I birthed them. I said what the fuck and tried to fruit it anyway and I'll be damned that baby bloomed hard!
Anyway me and two buddies took this acid and tripped our balls off. After 12 hours we went into the room with the FC to take a look and I thought I had went to the loony bin. The pins had doubled in quantity and tripled in size. I was amazed. From there on out mycology has had me hooked.
I feel ya bro. One of my weirdest stories is back in my crazy days (this was over a decade back) I accidentally left a bunch of jars in the trunk of my car in winter time. That car was not driving at the time (starter issues) and so they sat out there for like a month. I was cleaning out the car (must make sure no roaches or bowls sitting around) so my pops could come out and help me fix the car.. and I found like 2 dozen jars. So I take them inside and toss them in the closet to see if they will snap back..
They did.. but slowly. So after due time I birthed and fruited them. I told NO ONE what had happened to these cakes.
Weird part.
EVERY SINGLE PERSON who ate them (including me).. had a "COLD" trip. Not the warm earthy stuff.. they all came back and asked if it was some new variety. 2 girls had trip visions about snowing and skying. Others huddled in the corner with blankets the whole time.
I used to be a strict materialist. The Mushroom Goddess taught me better :D
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the prices should drop quite a bit further past that $140 point. This is for a growing seller.. the math is *totally* different if I had to pay my own dope man.
Sure $140 an oz isn't that bad for a grower, but this ain't street dealing, where you get handed $140 in cash tax free and walk away. You gotta pay the Pirate his 9% commission, then you pay the 4% escrow fee, then you gotta figure out how to get those bitcoins into cash, which isn't free by a longshot, and we haven't even gotten into the wild swings in the bitcoin price while your orders sit in escrow for 17 days. Add in a few scam buyers and all of a sudden $140 an oz becomes $100 real quick.
Before you go nuts with some crazy sale, keep in mind that the price you put for your product is not the price you get in the end. Listen to the advice in here, you're better off giving out some samples, creating a presence on the forums and doing right by the orders you get. Stick with that and you'll grow your business just fine. Cowboys never last in here.
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People just don't understand the massive overhead that it takes to sell on SR. One you have to be able to let your money float for at least a week which is a LONG fucking time when you are drug dealer. I have dropped dealers who take more than a week to bring back my fronts. Then you are to go through the process of converting BTC to USD which cuts out some money and can take time. Then you have to deal with getting the money without having it recorded which could mean getting the money mailed to you.
However, for many people in places like the mid west weed and especially other drugs are not easy to find so you would gladly pay way over California street price. Now if you live in fucking California or Florida than don't bitch that the prices on SR for weed are higher than street prices. Guess what, not everyone in the US lives in an area with a large supply of drugs. Same goes for Oxys, Bars, etc. Most drugs are completely dependent on location.
SR is also great for things like heavy psychedelics which might not have that large of a market in your local area. God knows its hard to sell exotic RCs like 2c-b, AMT, Foxy, etc locally but on SR you have a much wider market so you can have larger economies of scale.
Cmon guys, this is common sense. If you want dirt cheap weed SR simply isn't the place.
I think the biggest cost to SR is the fact that your money is tied up on SR. If I didn't keep at least 6k in Capital than I wouldn't be able to provide bulk orders with razor thin margins direct from China.
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Any idea when you'll have listing philter?
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If you undercut too much you'll simply sell out fast. Once people know you have good product and aren't a scammer you would sell anything you can produce with 5 gallon bucket and pf cakes in 3 days or less. The prices are high because the demand on SR is even higher.
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Well ya know bro.. I spent a good bit of time reading through S.R., reading the forum threads, the vendor profiles etc. Trying to get a feel for stuff. I have only two real negative observations..
1.) Prices are high. For the stuff I like anyway (read weed and psychedelics). I have no idea whether the prices for heroin/pills/etc. are high.
2.) The top vendors all have to pay their supplier/s.
I wonder if the two could possibly, possibly somehow be connected?
Anyway I'm going to do an experiment. I been mucking about with growing personal for over a decade. Never got into distro cause I got alot to lose by getting popped on some street action. I've probably been out somewhere between 3-8K US$ on my hobby over the years. I figure.. I should give this place a chance to show me personally it's power. I in turn will show mine. I commit that everything in my present crop of Amazonia will hit the listings at 75% OR LESS of SR average. I'm going to shoot for a price of 20.00 BTC per solid ounce. I have had people tell me via PM that such a price would scream "scam" to people. But the simple truth is.. how can I charge for what I spent on *myself* YEARS ago? When people like Pharmville and DRamsterdam and such are doing huge volumes and trying to make money on a *spread*?
Seems pretty shitty to me.. to say "hey dudes.. I grow.. but even though I got the same legal risk as selling them to a sound long time known bro from the neighborhood..and even though I got maybe a buck an oz. in this.. you are going to have to pay for it like I'm trying hard to make 30% off my investment with my dope man!". That doesn't scan. Not to me.
Harvest happens next month. When it does I'll send out samples to some folks (a few who contacted me, high count posters in my question threads, any of the mods who want a taste). Then I'll sell a whole crop here and see how people respond.
If spirits are high and it's all love.. then I'll keep my production up, keep the prices that low and feed the Fremen :)
I dont feel your negatives are connected. You will find most shroom vendors dont have to pay their suppliers.
Your motivations are clear now and you want to stick it to those who recognize the market value and what it is worth to grow and vend. You will get a little slice but you will do nothing to the overall shroom market because you will sell all your crop cheap and will not have enough for the demand and so the market goes back to normal. But at least you will be popular.
I will be interested to see if you keep up your prices once you realize what vending entails.
Imo if you are going to give away your work you may as well give it all away to mates.
Please dont take my comments as being negative. I am all for experiments and you will definitely see the power of SR. So much so, you will be very popular with those prices. Popularity means more work. More exposure. You will then start to see why the prices are what they are unless your currency is to be popular.
Good Luck on your experiment. I will be following you;)
Yeah, you got a lot to learn.
Nobody that sells illegal drugs, even weed, is doing it out of "love." THey may be cool, loving people, but they are trying to make money. Plain and simple.
If you think the prices too high on Silk Road, that's fine, try to compete with the sellers and see what happens. You may be right, and if so, you will succeed and still be here. But I think you'll find that the costs associated with selling are more than you think, and the risk associated with all of this stuff is what you aren't considering.
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If you undercut too much you'll simply sell out fast. Once people know you have good product and aren't a scammer you would sell anything you can produce with 5 gallon bucket and pf cakes in 3 days or less. The prices are high because the demand on SR is even higher.
Well my approach is a tad more involved than a 5 gallon bucket for a fruiting chamber (though it does use PF cakes and quite alot of them at one stage). Here's hoping you and novacaine are 100% correct. That way I can move all I can grow super-quick and bank my revenue, then the other growers can do their thing in their way once I'm all sold out. That would be sing-along time for everyone concerned eh?
I am hoping to list in mid April. There is alot to do. There are a couple of vendors (DmitriSpice and Team Synaptic) who have awesome(!!!) .onions to supplement their listings. And the custom vanity onion Silk Road has.. very very classy.
I had to find a template with no Java or anything but straight HTML/XHTML/CSS to mod out, and I will have to anonymize/strip metadata on alot of pics but once I'm done they will be on a vanity .onion . Shallot is a neat chunk of code. Wish I could write stuff like that.
Lots and lots to do. Joy joy joy :D
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i won't even click on 85% of the weed listings on SR because they are stupid expensive, and I'm willing to bet there are many more like me who cannot part with their btc without a deal.
please, by all means, undercut the fuck out of these guys.
I don't know why people would by weed off SR anyway. It's not like it's hard to get weed.
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Hell no man, this isn't The Informant, we aren't all involved in a price fixing scheme... Come in and undercut all the vendors by 50%, I bet you don't get one complaint. It's quite the contrary actually as vendors need not worry about other vendors pricing unless they are buying from that vendor.
If you can grow any product and blow all the other sellers out of the water, feel free to do it. SR is a free market, you are your own ceo. If vendors get mad you have better prices, they need to step their game up and get the fuck over it quickly.
Free market capitalism FTW!
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Yeah, you got a lot to learn.
Nobody that sells illegal drugs, even weed, is doing it out of "love." THey may be cool, loving people, but they are trying to make money. Plain and simple.
This post saddens me. Nobody that sells illegal drugs is doing it out of love? Even the organics?
I can't agree. But then... I see someone selling a spore syringe in the listings for the equivalent of USD$100.
I guess I look like a pretty dumb naive newb coming here asking how LOW I can price my stuff without pissing off the old-timers.
But you know what.. that's LOVE dude. When you love what you do, and you been loving it for a long time, and you see
the opportunity to safely spread that love even further..
And even if Silk Road isn't about that kind of passion, that kind of deep and abiding light that kindles the desire to grow and share.. it's still a way to make connections and build credibility in the TOR-world.
Even the mercenary serves God in the end. Even the greedy merchant helps feed the world.
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I don't like alot of the pricing on here but I have to say everyone sells THEIR product for what they want.My product prices are marked up as high as I can stand them I like people to be able to get what they want at a great price and I never sell shit so I get the best I can and never settle for second best
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Yeah, you got a lot to learn.
Nobody that sells illegal drugs, even weed, is doing it out of "love." THey may be cool, loving people, but they are trying to make money. Plain and simple.
This post saddens me. Nobody that sells illegal drugs is doing it out of love? Even the organics?
I can't agree. But then... I see someone selling a spore syringe in the listings for the equivalent of USD$100.
I guess I look like a pretty dumb naive newb coming here asking how LOW I can price my stuff without pissing off the old-timers.
But you know what.. that's LOVE dude. When you love what you do, and you been loving it for a long time, and you see
the opportunity to safely spread that love even further..
And even if Silk Road isn't about that kind of passion, that kind of deep and abiding light that kindles the desire to grow and share.. it's still a way to make connections and build credibility in the TOR-world.
Even the mercenary serves God in the end. Even the greedy merchant helps feed the world.
I agree my friend, and I give a lot away myself. Even if I buy it I give it away.
On the flip side, I truly believe the experience is worth something. It can come in the form of a 'thanks' or some form of monetary reward for your hard work.
If you really want to spread your love, set your price the same as the rest and when you get a customer that is chasing an experience and is willing to pay you for that experience....send them a nice over weight package ;) Thats love... and it will solve your original problem/question
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Doesn't matter how completely absurd you price your items ($30 for a gram of weed) some retard is still going to fucking buy it. This really annoys me, if we didn't buy drugs at ridiculous prices vendors would be forced to lower them. Seems like I'm the only one that grasps this concept.
I agree with your point. However, the cravings for drugs can be strong, thus people will pay silly prices.. I don't think this will ever change
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Yeah, you got a lot to learn.
Nobody that sells illegal drugs, even weed, is doing it out of "love." THey may be cool, loving people, but they are trying to make money. Plain and simple.
This post saddens me. Nobody that sells illegal drugs is doing it out of love? Even the organics?
I can't agree. But then... I see someone selling a spore syringe in the listings for the equivalent of USD$100.
I guess I look like a pretty dumb naive newb coming here asking how LOW I can price my stuff without pissing off the old-timers.
But you know what.. that's LOVE dude. When you love what you do, and you been loving it for a long time, and you see
the opportunity to safely spread that love even further..
And even if Silk Road isn't about that kind of passion, that kind of deep and abiding light that kindles the desire to grow and share.. it's still a way to make connections and build credibility in the TOR-world.
Even the mercenary serves God in the end. Even the greedy merchant helps feed the world.
I agree my friend, and I give a lot away myself. Even if I buy it I give it away.
On the flip side, I truly believe the experience is worth something. It can come in the form of a 'thanks' or some form of monetary reward for your hard work.
If you really want to spread your love, set your price the same as the rest and when you get a customer that is chasing an experience and is willing to pay you for that experience....send them a nice over weight package ;) Thats love... and it will solve your original problem/question
I think you're both nuts. You can get busted just as easily, if not more easily, for selling your precious "organics," and I guarantee that anyone of these people that you show so much "love" to would be the first to rat you out if if it would get them off the hook if they were ever facing charges.
The risk involved justifies you making a good profit, and you shouldn't feel bad about that.
I am just being real, and if it makes you feel good to do what you do, then go ahead and do it. I used to do all that "spread the love, give it away" stuff too, but I realized that I was just being taken advantage of, and that there's nothing selfish about getting paid for your services.
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This thread makes me want to give growing shrooms a crack.
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This thread makes me want to give growing shrooms a crack.
LOL I had to re-read this a few times... using the word 'crack' threw me off and I thought you just invented a new drug or concept for a drug yet to be invented... shroom-crack.
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oh lol yes. i read fungi and was like "wtf thats italian for mushrooms" and didn't realize what you were about ;D
Italian?
Dude, mushrooms are just one small subset of the much larger category that is "fungi". All mushrooms are fungi but not all fungi are mushrooms.
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This thread makes me want to give growing shrooms a crack.
LOL I had to re-read this a few times... using the word 'crack' threw me off and I thought you just invented a new drug or concept for a drug yet to be invented... shroom-crack.
Hmm smoking shroom powder?? How would that work I wonder? I know a few guys who go out looking for wild shrooms but a 5gal setup sounds like a plan for growing a personal quantity.
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This thread makes me want to give growing shrooms a crack.
LOL I had to re-read this a few times... using the word 'crack' threw me off and I thought you just invented a new drug or concept for a drug yet to be invented... shroom-crack.
Hmm smoking shroom powder?? How would that work I wonder? I know a few guys who go out looking for wild shrooms but a 5gal setup sounds like a plan for growing a personal quantity.
You can smoke 4-AcO-DMT HCl or 4-AcO-DET HCl like crack, or mix it with cannabis and smoke the blend. That's like "smoking shroom powder". You can do the same with pure psilocin (4-HO-DMT) freebase. The trip comes on in seconds and lasts only half the time.
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Frankly I'm hoping Novacaine is right and the hungry hordes of S.R. are going to work my ass off. It would be awesome and amazing to have 20+ hours of paying shroom work a week. The problem with my business ventures in the past has always been the same, they are profitable and lots of fun.. but the volume and client numbers haven't been at the level to make them full-time endeavors (granted none of these were dope ventures lol).
You realize that vending means less time working with the growing part, and more time spent answering PMs, typing and printing address labels, taping and sealing and stamping things, etc right? The real money in this game is simply the sales (listing your items) and service (packaging & safely mailing), not the traditional sourcing/manufacturing aspect. The premiums paid for product here mean that it's more like you get paid $50 to $300 per hour to be a glorified mail clerk and postal IT tech support worker.
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People just don't understand the massive overhead that it takes to sell on SR. One you have to be able to let your money float for at least a week which is a LONG fucking time when you are drug dealer. I have dropped dealers who take more than a week to bring back my fronts.
Wait, why does it matter at all to the dealer to have the money float for a week?
Only a brand new dealer's daily sales volume is going to be very high compared to his bankroll and inventory... anyone who has been around for a few months ought to have enough loot and inventory to coast for just as many months without resupplying, no?
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This thread makes me want to give growing shrooms a crack.
LOL I had to re-read this a few times... using the word 'crack' threw me off and I thought you just invented a new drug or concept for a drug yet to be invented... shroom-crack.
Hmm smoking shroom powder?? How would that work I wonder? I know a few guys who go out looking for wild shrooms but a 5gal setup sounds like a plan for growing a personal quantity.
It works, and it's a pretty good trippy feeling, but it tastes like shit.
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People just don't understand the massive overhead that it takes to sell on SR. One you have to be able to let your money float for at least a week which is a LONG fucking time when you are drug dealer. I have dropped dealers who take more than a week to bring back my fronts.
Wait, why does it matter at all to the dealer to have the money float for a week?
Only a brand new dealer's daily sales volume is going to be very high compared to his bankroll and inventory... anyone who has been around for a few months ought to have enough loot and inventory to coast for just as many months without resupplying, no?
Exactly. A good vendor has the cash flow to support his business. Philter3 has an advantage as SR is setup to support growers and wholesellers selling direct. There are far too many street dealers on here who don't realize that SR fees are going to eat into the margins that they would normally get on the street.
If I were running a team of street sellers, I'd rather employ a guy or two to deal at street prices on SR rather than have some street runner get caught and rat me out to LE.
Good luck Philter, put up a thread when you start selling so people can leave reviews
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Philter3, I know all about cubensis too.im in your boat too. All I need is a bag of wbs, a few tubs, and some castings. I figured at one point my bplus only costs 4.00 a ounce to produce. You a topiate or a shroomery bro?
Bro,
Not to hate on your methods.. cause I respect all approaches.. but FUCK that WBS shit man. I about gave myself a coronary trying to get the moisture content right. Those with the straight grain mogufa have my utmost respect. I can't say I have their skill though.
My amazonians and peruvians.. I'd say they cost me way less than $4/oz. Course I'm HUGE on liquid culture and economies of scale. Brute forcing the philosopher's stone :D Sugar, water, rice, coir, and verm aren't very expensive. Just patience and attention to detail. Laminar flow hoods help also :D
Killboy "taught" me how to grow, if you ask him. He uses WBS because its a few cents per pound cheaper than rye berries. His shit is always getting moldy.
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People just don't understand the massive overhead that it takes to sell on SR. One you have to be able to let your money float for at least a week which is a LONG fucking time when you are drug dealer. I have dropped dealers who take more than a week to bring back my fronts.
Wait, why does it matter at all to the dealer to have the money float for a week?
Only a brand new dealer's daily sales volume is going to be very high compared to his bankroll and inventory... anyone who has been around for a few months ought to have enough loot and inventory to coast for just as many months without resupplying, no?
Easier said than done when you are doing massive bulk amounts and have to pay off multiple people.
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the prices should drop quite a bit further past that $140 point. This is for a growing seller.. the math is *totally* different if I had to pay my own dope man.
Sure $140 an oz isn't that bad for a grower, but this ain't street dealing, where you get handed $140 in cash tax free and walk away. You gotta pay the Pirate his 9% commission, then you pay the 4% escrow fee, then you gotta figure out how to get those bitcoins into cash, which isn't free by a longshot, and we haven't even gotten into the wild swings in the bitcoin price while your orders sit in escrow for 17 days. Add in a few scam buyers and all of a sudden $140 an oz becomes $100 real quick.
Before you go nuts with some crazy sale, keep in mind that the price you put for your product is not the price you get in the end. Listen to the advice in here, you're better off giving out some samples, creating a presence on the forums and doing right by the orders you get. Stick with that and you'll grow your business just fine. Cowboys never last in here.
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People just don't understand the massive overhead that it takes to sell on SR. One you have to be able to let your money float for at least a week which is a LONG fucking time when you are drug dealer. I have dropped dealers who take more than a week to bring back my fronts. Then you are to go through the process of converting BTC to USD which cuts out some money and can take time. Then you have to deal with getting the money without having it recorded which could mean getting the money mailed to you.
However, for many people in places like the mid west weed and especially other drugs are not easy to find so you would gladly pay way over California street price. Now if you live in fucking California or Florida than don't bitch that the prices on SR for weed are higher than street prices. Guess what, not everyone in the US lives in an area with a large supply of drugs. Same goes for Oxys, Bars, etc. Most drugs are completely dependent on location.
SR is also great for things like heavy psychedelics which might not have that large of a market in your local area. God knows its hard to sell exotic RCs like 2c-b, AMT, Foxy, etc locally but on SR you have a much wider market so you can have larger economies of scale.
Cmon guys, this is common sense. If you want dirt cheap weed SR simply isn't the place.
I think the biggest cost to SR is the fact that your money is tied up on SR. If I didn't keep at least 6k in Capital than I wouldn't be able to provide bulk orders with razor thin margins direct from China.
I never have to front money. People front me money, but I would never front anybody money. It eventually ends up in them burning you with some excuse or another.