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Discussion => Newbie discussion => Topic started by: xlr8r on June 28, 2013, 12:10 am
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Most of you probally know this but i wanted to warn all newbies to never FE, sounds obvious but new vendors will pop up with really good prices, some will order and they will ask you to FE, saying something like cash flow is low, or they cant afford to have 1000's tied up in escrow. What will then happen if you FE is that THEY WILL STEAL YOUR MONEY. No matter how good this new vendors prices seem, NEVER,EVER FE FOR ANY REASON.
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And AFTER YOU DON'T FE....
DON'T FE.
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Theres 3 rules of SR
NEVER FE,
NEVER FE
AND........NEVER FE
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People are always getting scammed by FE, so crazy why people continue to do it, especially for people they don't know or trust... what a shame.
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Exactly right cannabis king
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BUMP
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I was asked to FE on what became my first order, I did FE after communication with vendor and was not burned . The vendor did have history (over a year and 100% feedback). But that was the only time and I more than likely would not again
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Good point but i thought the golden rule was to NEVER do it. When i fisrt started i did it and got burned so i posted this to help others. I understand some vendors will request FE for first time buyers to protect themselves, but if your not going to do it again i think you will be safe
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i did that dumb shit and now i out 3 stacks... i never going to FE again... i mean what i lost is small potatos to me...i gross that in sales everyday without a problem... i will get back what i lost fast.. i just wish there was more people interesed in building long lasting relationships.. instead too many people trying to a fast buck... i about long money.. the end game.. not the here and now
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BUMP
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How are new buyers supposed to circumvent this when many of the reputable sellers require FE if you have under a certain number of completed transactions? If you are buying a small amount from a seller with a near 100% rating who requires FE, I do not see the problem. I have only made a few transactions on SR, all of which required FE because I had under 5 completed. All of my orders came through without a hitch.
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Just be very carefull cfuts
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real talk, mang :o
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How do we deal with vendors who require FE for those with under 10 transactions?
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i will never FE again... i dont care how long the vendor is there... i just dont care... i never FE anything again... lost too much
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How do we deal with vendors who require FE for those with under 10 transactions?
If you must FE because there are no other options then my advice is to do the following:
1) Do as much research as you can on this Forum, you the search box on the top right hand side (RHS). You would be amazed at the number of newbies and old hands who do not use this very powerful search tool. You need to get to the board of interest first (it can't search the whole site) and then it will pick out any matching letters so you need to learn how to narrow your search down. But it is all explained in the Help manual.
2) Check your potential vendor's shipping options, some have a "tracked" option, and so they will know if your package gets seized by customs or delivered. It is more expensive, but vendors do not ask for FE when this option is used. Remember, they are worried about getting scammed by YOU!
3) Try and build some sort of correspondence based relationship with them.
Always be polite and courteous, but not too nosy. Ask about the product, where does it come from, how long has vendor been involved with selling product on SR.
BUT do make sure these questions are not in the vendor's terms and conditions (T+C's) otherwise he/she will get pissed off and won't answer you.
4) Finally, if you are still not sure, ask a question on here. Most SR people are happy to help out a newbie, if the newbie can show he has done as much as possible from the above. No old timer will give you the time of day let alone an in depth answer to your question if it looks as though you have made no effort to find the answer yourself.
This is why they introduced the 50 posts rule for newbies :)
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There are plenty of vendors willing to accept orders from newcomers without FE, just take the time to look vigorously. I just recently received my very first order without FE and all was perfect and just as advertised :D Be smart and don't rush into it without properly researching. The game can be rough if you don't protect yourself-- that's essentially why the escrow system is in place, because it works... I'm no expert by any means, but it has worked for me. Good luck, and happy hunting!
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i did that dumb shit and now i out 3 stacks... i never going to FE again... i mean what i lost is small potatos to me...i gross that in sales everyday without a problem... i will get back what i lost fast.. i just wish there was more people interesed in building long lasting relationships.. instead too many people trying to a fast buck... i about long money.. the end game.. not the here and now
Bless Ya Brother,
United We Stand, Divided We Fall.
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Good point but i thought the golden rule was to NEVER do it. When i fisrt started i did it and got burned so i posted this to help others. I understand some vendors will request FE for first time buyers to protect themselves, but if your not going to do it again i think you will be safe
Point is, it's a shared risk. A vendor slinging their product on the street has the chance of getting robbed...same as a consumer has that chance by either the vendor or a passer-by. I'll never FE (even if they say I need to). If you don't want the sale, I'll go elsewhere...bottom line.
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I understand the apprehension against FE from some people, especially if you've been scammed, but it seems logical from the perspective of a credible seller. Anyone can take a couple of minutes to make an SR account, order some drugs, and then just claim they never got their package. The scamming buyer has nothing to lose. They can just make a new account and order from different vendors later on. A seller has a reputation to keep, which can be harmed by scammers who claim to not receive product, and they have made an investment in their account and rep. It makes sense that they don't want some jerk off kids to get on and get a couple of free bags at the expense of their product and reputation.
It might be better if sellers set a maximum dollar amount for buyers who had under a certain number of completed transactions, but it is still understandably risky for smaller vendors who can't just absorb the losses.
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If you have less then 10 transactions then buy from 10 different vendors not requiring FE!!
What's better....getting scammed because you FE'd or trying out 10 vendors or 10 small quantities of stuff because you needed to get your stats up?
You'll do better on the road in the long run if you make a lot of good purchases from excellent vendors anyway. And even then don't FE for them if they start asking for it. They could be "cashing out"
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How are new buyers supposed to circumvent this when many of the reputable sellers require FE if you have under a certain number of completed transactions?
There are exceptions to EVERYTHING, and to "never" FE is a bit short sighted.
I always FE as a buyer. Mainly because I ONLY buy from people that have a rock solid history of awesome.
If the order is domestic, there is NO REASON whatsoever to FE. If the vendor can't wait 4/5 days for their money they are in the wrong place.
However, when ordering internationally it is absolutely fair to FE. You really need to do your research before you order internationally. The better vendors might ask you to FE, but will produce a tracking number before you do. It's not foolproof, but it isn't realistic to expect a vendor to hold all the risk on an international transaction.
Not to mention, if you are buying a kilo of methylone (for instance) if you didn't FE the vendor would have 25K in escrow for up to two weeks after only ten orders. That would limit the amount of vendors considerably and likely produce monopolies on certain items.
That being said, if you are new the answer is real easy. Order domestically. If you are from the US, that is easy. For ANY drug. If you are in Germany, order from Germany.. etc.
Then after 4/5 domestic transactions you will be good to go, and you will have enough experience buying to understand if FE is the right thing for the specific situation.
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How do we deal with vendors who require FE for those with under 10 transactions?
If you must FE because there are no other options then my advice is to do the following:
1) Do as much research as you can on this Forum, you the search box on the top right hand side (RHS). You would be amazed at the number of newbies and old hands who do not use this very powerful search tool. You need to get to the board of interest first (it can't search the whole site) and then it will pick out any matching letters so you need to learn how to narrow your search down. But it is all explained in the Help manual.
2) Check your potential vendor's shipping options, some have a "tracked" option, and so they will know if your package gets seized by customs or delivered. It is more expensive, but vendors do not ask for FE when this option is used. Remember, they are worried about getting scammed by YOU!
3) Try and build some sort of correspondence based relationship with them.
Always be polite and courteous, but not too nosy. Ask about the product, where does it come from, how long has vendor been involved with selling product on SR.
BUT do make sure these questions are not in the vendor's terms and conditions (T+C's) otherwise he/she will get pissed off and won't answer you.
4) Finally, if you are still not sure, ask a question on here. Most SR people are happy to help out a newbie, if the newbie can show he has done as much as possible from the above. No old timer will give you the time of day let alone an in depth answer to your question if it looks as though you have made no effort to find the answer yourself.
This is why they introduced the 50 posts rule for newbies :)
As I was reading this thread I was thinking to myself "Why would any vendor ask someone to FE if they weren't going to scam them". I am a fairly new vendor and couldn't imagine what the hurry would be and don't see the risk in being scammed by a buyer. But then I read this post and found the reason I feel so secure is that all my packages are tracked and I can prove that they reach their destination. Honestly, I'm not sure why all vendors don't use tracking. If not having to FE makes the customers feel more secure and knowing where your packages are as a vendor makes you feel more secure what is the damn hold up on getting tracking?! I would have to stick with most of you and tell you not to FE. If vendors want your business they will get their shit in order and secure their packs on their end by setting up tracking and quit making their buyers assume all risk!
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But isn't another golden rule for most buyers to not sign for anything? Then how can we ship all packages registered?
digitalalchemy
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/7c7cc19a54
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Sorry.,...FE?
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Sorry.,...FE?
Finalize early, basically saying you've received delivery before anything arrives which means the seller gets money while you have nothing to show for it but their word it will arrive. Hence its not a good idea.
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So how should purchases be made? Im all new to this. Ive just bought a bit coin. I cant transfer it from my android app or to another online app let alone deposit it to SR...this is so frustrating!
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So how should purchases be made? Im all new to this. Ive just bought a bit coin. I cant transfer it from my android app or to another online app let alone deposit it to SR...this is so frustrating!
I'd seriously recommend reading up on all the basics on the silkroad wiki http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page :)
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Wait.. so let me get this straight... it's not ok to FE? but the vendor told me to otherwise he would tell the cops where I lived
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See! That's what I'm talking about. Vendors making threats. Doesn't help SR at all. Unfortunate. :(
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But isn't another golden rule for most buyers to not sign for anything? Then how can we ship all packages registered?
digitalalchemy
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/7c7cc19a54
I think you are getting me confused. Just because a package is tracked does not mean you have to sign for it. It is tracked to your mailbox and then you receive it with all your other mail. No signature required. The vendor is protected because he knows that it was delivered (at least to your address) and vendors should rest assured enough that they can prove that if there was a dispute that we should not be asking buyers to FE. I think the biggest problem vendors should be worried about is that newbs often time want to use a fake name and get things delivered to their homes. When this happens the postal service recognizes that mail going to this home doesn't usually have anyone going by that name receiving mail and they in turn do not deliver it. Vendors should be educating their buyers about using their true names and the subject of "plausible deniability". Either that or don't sell to newbs and leave that market to me and vendors like me ;)
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TBH, I've FE'd twice so far and had no problem. Which is not to say that the above advice is incorrect. My biggest mistake has been to finalize as soon as receiving the product, rather than waiting until i'd tried it out first. This has lead to me being stuck with produce which is below par, so be careful to use all your entitlements before Finalizing.
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Just don't do it man.
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BOUNCE, AND NEVER FE!!!
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@PureFire bro you're dealing with the wrong suppliers. The top suppliers here don't call the cops on you for not FE'ing. They might black list you for disregarding their specific guidelines but they're not going to involve LE.
The best thing you can do if your new is do tons of research. Find out who the reliable vendors are. Be patient and order from them when the opportunity is right. Then start out small. Order the smallest amount they offer and work up from there. You're building relationships. If something goes wrong then you're out less than $100. Cut your losses, learn from the mistake and move on. If you cant afford that then you're in the wrong space. This isn't amazon. When you start out the vultures are all after your money so just keep that in mind. You've got lots to learn. First you have to learn security. Most newbies skip this part... Then you need to learn how to safely get BTC, then how to select a supplier, and then you have to master the receiving contraband. If you're new start small and work your way up from there. I made the mistake of diving in head first because I was trying to meet demand. Suffice to say I got burned buying BTC (twice). You wise up after losing $$$. Take your time and do it right the first time.
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Got it!!!
Never FE :)
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I never FE'd first dozen transactions, then got lured by cheap gear, fucker even chatted back & forth for good 10 messages or so to build trust. FE'd, instantly got F'd in the A. If you feel u absolutely have to so u can get some gear ,Start with small orders , 1/2g, especially international so u can see if vendors stealth is up for ur country's customs. After u and vendor done couple small deals, they got no need to ask FE.
Always start small with new vendor - newbie or not - scammin fucks all over this joint. Find a few good vendors to keep ur stocks up, Never fuck them over - if something wrong always give them a chance to rectify, everyone fucks up occasionally, and despite scammers, there are a lot of good vendors on here who will do right by you if you do right by them, I imagine it's what the whole concept of this place was conceived on.
Been on here about 4 months, 18 transactions, 9000 spent, 0 refund, 9 auto finalize, 1 scammin fuckhead, lost $300. Pretty fucken good outcome really, just gotta weed those scammin fucks out by being careful and starting small 8)
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bounce
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When a vender's page says "top X% of vendors". What values of X do you guys think is trust worthy? Or is it not that significant?
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This is like common sense, if you don't have it you shouldn't be buying stuff from silkroad, it just makes the whole marketplace look bad when you fe and start creating threads about being scammed when it was your own fault for finalizing early making the whole marketplace seem like its full of scammers.
/rant over
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so why is the option even offered on SR? Why isn't it just done away with?
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Good POINT SLIM JIM
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i agree never f.e only times ive lost money was with f.e
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I'm glad that experienced users have been telling us newbies this because i'm brand new to SR and wouldn't have know better and, with my luck, would have gotten screwed. Thanks guys! These forums are helping out a lot! Now if I can just get this stupid PGP thing then all will be good. :)
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Thanks for looking out for us Noob's
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I FE.d my first two orders and received both no problems. I only order from venders with 100 rating.
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I think the starting small before placing larger orders is sound advice too. Even vendors who are normally legit will possibly look at newbies as easy targets, especially if you start by ordering large amounts.
BTW, I know that feedback can be edited, but can you also change the number rating that you gave the vendor?
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whats fe lol
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You can be dealing with a vendor that has 100% feedback, and when he/she decides it's time to get out of the game, all those that FE'd are financing his/her retirement. Never FE, never never never never.
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Lots of interesting information here. Thanks for contributing your points of view. I'll just recap for any other newbies:
Try not to FE
But if you have to, do it on a small order
When you are new try different vendors to see who the good ones are
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I get it !! ugh !!!
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When I first showed up here, I had to FE a couple purchases but was extremely pleased and satisfied in their arrival.
However, No longer will I FE. Been reading too much about people getting scammed. Hoping that vendors are understanding on both ends of the spectrum as a buyer and seller.
Honesty is the only thing that'll keep SR running smoothly.
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Ok ! Pretty obvious btw.
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guys whats a bitcoin
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You can be dealing with a vendor that has 100% feedback, and when he/she decides it's time to get out of the game, all those that FE'd are financing his/her retirement. Never FE, never never never never.
I agree. Because a vendor has 100% does not mean he's not a scammer, if the right opportunity arises.
Having said that, respect to all the legit vendors on SR, of which there are many.
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guys whats a bitcoin
Man, you managed to get to 49 posts on SR forums, without even knowing what a bitcoin is, lol!! ;D
Best thing is to read the SR Wiki, which can be found at the bottom of SR's home page. ;)
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You don't have to FE as a first time buyer. You just have to look around, look local, and buy small to start with.
I might just might FE for a 100% rated vendor from overseas on a great deal, WhiteShark is likely, but that's about it.
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Re: Warning to newbies
« Reply #13 on: June 28, 2013, 05:02 am »
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How do we deal with vendors who require FE for those with under 10 transactions?
easy you dont! find someone who will deal with you plenty of vendors will! ganjaman is worth the wait i believe he will serve anybody!
also why cant you get the same product from someone else without the FE? what is the drug you want sir?
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How do we deal with vendors who require FE for those with under 10 transactions?
If you must FE because there are no other options then my advice is to do the following:
1) Do as much research as you can on this Forum, you the search box on the top right hand side (RHS). You would be amazed at the number of newbies and old hands who do not use this very powerful search tool. You need to get to the board of interest first (it can't search the whole site) and then it will pick out any matching letters so you need to learn how to narrow your search down. But it is all explained in the Help manual.
2) Check your potential vendor's shipping options, some have a "tracked" option, and so they will know if your package gets seized by customs or delivered. It is more expensive, but vendors do not ask for FE when this option is used. Remember, they are worried about getting scammed by YOU!
3) Try and build some sort of correspondence based relationship with them.
Always be polite and courteous, but not too nosy. Ask about the product, where does it come from, how long has vendor been involved with selling product on SR.
BUT do make sure these questions are not in the vendor's terms and conditions (T+C's) otherwise he/she will get pissed off and won't answer you.
4) Finally, if you are still not sure, ask a question on here. Most SR people are happy to help out a newbie, if the newbie can show he has done as much as possible from the above. No old timer will give you the time of day let alone an in depth answer to your question if it looks as though you have made no effort to find the answer yourself.
This is why they introduced the 50 posts rule for newbies :)
As I was reading this thread I was thinking to myself "Why would any vendor ask someone to FE if they weren't going to scam them". I am a fairly new vendor and couldn't imagine what the hurry would be and don't see the risk in being scammed by a buyer. But then I read this post and found the reason I feel so secure is that all my packages are tracked and I can prove that they reach their destination. Honestly, I'm not sure why all vendors don't use tracking. If not having to FE makes the customers feel more secure and knowing where your packages are as a vendor makes you feel more secure what is the damn hold up on getting tracking?! I would have to stick with most of you and tell you not to FE. If vendors want your business they will get their shit in order and secure their packs on their end by setting up tracking and quit making their buyers assume all risk!
YES, this is the intelligent answer, but the truth is coupled with economics, it just costs more to track a package. And it varies from country to country.
But there is some good news, India, Thailand and a few others have a cheap registered option, and in the UK we have proof of postage and recorded delivery.
So things are changing, and I can envisage a time when the old FE argument will not work any longer.
Bottom line is usually greed though.
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you think the samples are a scam from some vendors? they ask to fe and the samples never show up. it is small money but if they get many people. it can add up and most people will for like 10 usd or less