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Discussion => Silk Road discussion => Topic started by: sbrobata on May 05, 2012, 12:02 am
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A major flaw to me has become clear through watching SR trends. Sellers can build up amazing reputations and be genuinely good guys, but when it comes to closing up shop, there is a problem.
If you were a seller with a great reputation and had saved up a ton of money and were ready to get out of the business, how would you do it? You could just announce to the community that you are leaving, and peacefully go on your way and probably be missed by many. However, there is nothing stopping the vendors that are retiring to pull off one big scam before they go. After all, a bad reputation is meaningless to a seller who no longer sells. If a seller wants to get out of the game for good, there is absolutely nothing stopping them from going out with a bang. This can be avoided by never finalizing early, but as many of us know, good deals can mess with our thought process and drive us to do silly things. People are going to continue to finalize early, and continue to be scammed. We will surely continue to see more trusted sellers pull off big scams as they part ways with the road. The temptation of money is far too great for even some of the best of people to resist. Unfortunately that is the nature of the business we are in.
Moral of the story is trust nobody! Sure that statement sounds pretty grim and lacks faith in humanity, but the only way to eliminate the possibility of being scammed is to trust nobody but yourself. That being said, there are a lot of great people on here that i love and trust, but always be wary and cautious. Money makes people crazy! You never know, stuff can happen, people can change.
PEACE
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Yeah, there have been numerous times when major, highly ranked vendors pull massive exit scams. You are right to be cautious. Lots of vendors on here seem really nice, and I'm sure some/most of them are genuinely decent human beings, but it's impossible to know for sure behind the mask of anonymity. I'd say don't spend more money on here than you can potentially stand to lose. Every time I make a purchase, I figure I'd be upset if I got ripped off, but it certainly wouldn't be the end of the world.
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I'd say don't spend more money on here than you can potentially stand to lose. Every time I make a purchase, I figure I'd be upset if I got ripped off, but it certainly wouldn't be the end of the world.
This.
It still sucks to get burned though. Scammers will always try to ruin a good thing for others because they're scum ass sub par muthafuckers. Its the same thing IRL, but here you have the option to never finalize early. Use it! Viva SR.
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Don't finalize early, that's why escrow is there.
~Digi
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A major flaw to me has become clear through watching SR trends. Sellers can build up amazing reputations and be genuinely good guys, but when it comes to closing up shop, there is a problem.
If you were a seller with a great reputation and had saved up a ton of money and were ready to get out of the business, how would you do it? You could just announce to the community that you are leaving, and peacefully go on your way and probably be missed by many. However, there is nothing stopping the vendors that are retiring to pull off one big scam before they go. After all, a bad reputation is meaningless to a seller who no longer sells. If a seller wants to get out of the game for good, there is absolutely nothing stopping them from going out with a bang. This can be avoided by never finalizing early, but as many of us know, good deals can mess with our thought process and drive us to do silly things. People are going to continue to finalize early, and continue to be scammed. We will surely continue to see more trusted sellers pull off big scams as they part ways with the road. The temptation of money is far too great for even some of the best of people to resist. Unfortunately that is the nature of the business we are in.
Moral of the story is trust nobody! Sure that statement sounds pretty grim and lacks faith in humanity, but the only way to eliminate the possibility of being scammed is to trust nobody but yourself. That being said, there are a lot of great people on here that i love and trust, but always be wary and cautious. Money makes people crazy! You never know, stuff can happen, people can change.
PEACE
I couldn't agree more...sad but true
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You have to remember, that us Vendors are STILL drug dealers.. just cause you get friendly message's doesn't mean you should trust a vendor with your money....... If you have the option to stay in escrow USE IT!!! You are paying for the escrow service, so why not use. Don't finalize early unless you have to? ie, new buyers or people with high refund rates (>10%)
I will gladly allow you to stay in escrow as long as you meet my requirements: over 10 sales, and good stats..
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You have to remember, that us Vendors are STILL drug dealers.. just cause you get friendly message's doesn't mean you should trust a vendor with your money....... If you have the option to stay in escrow USE IT!!! You are paying for the escrow service, so why not use. Don't finalize early unless you have to? ie, new buyers or people with high refund rates (>10%)
I will gladly allow you to stay in escrow as long as you meet my requirements: over 10 sales, and good stats..
Well said bud.
Also, you guys don't need to trust any fucking body on here. Get your shit, stay in escrow in case anything happens in the process, and go about your life, don't praise the vendor or fall in love here people.
In this game a nym change is all it takes to form a new 'identity', your favorite vendor could be the SR scammer of the year and you'd never even know. There are pricks that literally make a living from professional scamming. Taking people like your and my hard earned money time after time and living it up with it. Never trust anyone, get in, get your shit, and get on. We're not here to make friends with our new drug dealers, that's how you get fucked in the ass 6 months or a year from now.
AND PLEASE FOR FUCKS SAKE DO NOT FE. IF A VENDOR HAS PRODUCT TO SELL, THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO IT IN A WAY THAT DOESN'T REQUIRE FE, PERIOD.
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You have to remember, that us Vendors are STILL drug dealers.. just cause you get friendly message's doesn't mean you should trust a vendor with your money....... If you have the option to stay in escrow USE IT!!! You are paying for the escrow service, so why not use. Don't finalize early unless you have to? ie, new buyers or people with high refund rates (>10%)
I will gladly allow you to stay in escrow as long as you meet my requirements: over 10 sales, and good stats..
Well said bud.
Also, you guys don't need to trust any fucking body on here. Get your shit, stay in escrow in case anything happens in the process, and go about your life, don't praise the vendor or fall in love here people.
In this game a nym change is all it takes to form a new 'identity', your favorite vendor could be the SR scammer of the year and you'd never even know. There are pricks that literally make a living from professional scamming. Taking people like your and my hard earned money time after time and living it up with it. Never trust anyone, get in, get your shit, and get on. We're not here to make friends with our new drug dealers, that's how you get fucked in the ass 6 months or a year from now.
Although common sense, this shit right here is some of the best advice I've seen in a while. What amazes me, and we know all this shit stems mainly from this Tony76 ordeal that recently happened, is how people take the time to try to be anonymous in acquiring BTC's, using PGP, etc. then just throwing caution in the wind and breaking all the basic rules because they think that vendor is their "friend". Fuck all that shit. Don't get me wrong, I think most of the guys in the forums are cool as shit and I think the same of some of the sellers. But I be damn if I FE and give up my heard earned money because I've had 20 successful orders with you. Treat every order like it's your first, be cautious and stay in escrow. It's not there for shit's and giggles.
For those that lose money, it's hard to have sympathy for you.
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does the phrase " career criminal" mean anything to anybody ?
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You have to remember, that us Vendors are STILL drug dealers.. just cause you get friendly message's doesn't mean you should trust a vendor with your money....... If you have the option to stay in escrow USE IT!!! You are paying for the escrow service, so why not use. Don't finalize early unless you have to? ie, new buyers or people with high refund rates (>10%)
I will gladly allow you to stay in escrow as long as you meet my requirements: over 10 sales, and good stats..
I had to kill my account with nothing but 100% good transaction and I'm not starting over again Never finalize early.......If someone like OPI wont sell to you go to someone else.....free market
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I could never pull off a huge scam here, I've had so many people help me out here, i've made a lot of acquaintances, and silkroad has just generally been a boost to my life. I would feel absolutely horrible for a VERY long time if I pulled off a big scam and left. It's simply morals. Im not going to do something negative like that to those who have never done me harm.
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What dank said. I believe it is a very small minority of people that have caused us such trouble. I have no idea how a private SR would work but if it were logistically possible it would be so great to have a private safe reliable place. Reliable vendors and sellers.
Whatever Tony made on the scam I have to believe he could have made just as much if not more by not scamming. He was the number one vendor and would have remained so for years to come.
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Whatever Tony made on the scam I have to believe he could have made just as much if not more by not scamming. He was the number one vendor and would have remained so for years to come.
I don't neccessarily think this is correct. My dad always said "a body can do anything at all for a month at a time.. but ten years takes a MAN".
How long was he rockin and rollin at that level? a month? two? three?.. But could he have sustained that for a year? two?
Maybe this exit was his "most profitable way forward" since he couldn't sustain his momentum. (NOT saying this is MORAL.. just.. practical)
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Yeah if he had the balls he could have stayed here and made way more than what he did off that one scam. Who knows, maybe he is setting up for round 2 or 3.
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Bring it >:(. Learned my lesson, I have great stats now so I will NEVER FE again.
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What dank said. I believe it is a very small minority of people that have caused us such trouble. I have no idea how a private SR would work but if it were logistically possible it would be so great to have a private safe reliable place. Reliable vendors and sellers.
Whatever Tony made on the scam I have to believe he could have made just as much if not more by not scamming. He was the number one vendor and would have remained so for years to come.
Tony got burnt out and once he saw all of the 4/20 sale money in his account he took off because it was easier than shipping out all of those orders. I think the best thing we can do is just respect escrow and never FE (though I do understand if you have no transaction history and a vendor makes you FE because of it).
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yup i got ripped by drugtrade last night he had a 100% feedback rating of money pak for bitcoins, and over the last 2 days he stole every moneypak he got.
btw, if anyone is feeling gererous after he robbed me i managed to scrap together enough for a few BTC but i am 1.05 short of being able to make a minimum order from one of my xanax vendors. if anyone could help me out i would be forever greatful (sr username is fuckyouimeggs)
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A major flaw to me has become clear through watching SR trends. Sellers can build up amazing reputations and be genuinely good guys, but when it comes to closing up shop, there is a problem.
PEACE
The major flaw is in the buyers thinking not the SR model, unless a seller has been here at least a year then he cannot have an amazing reputation. Great reps take time to build not a couple of weeks or months and few hundred posts on the Forum like Tony had.
People have to stop putting vendors on a pedestal just because they had a good transaction or two with someone they know nothing about and has only been here a short while. I cannot remember how many times I seen the "FE for trusted seller" on feedback for MHM or TT and two posts down on the feedback there is someone talking about being scammed by them.
Hello people!! There are no #1 sellers on SR, unless YOU have personally been dealing with someone for at least a year you really cannot say if they are super honest and trust worthy and even if they are remember to never spend more then you can afford to lose.
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I lost 200 with noriega and 250 with tony on the 420 sale. but it all could have been prevented from me not finalizing early. so all in all this was a very valuable lesson for me more than anything else. i will never finalize early for no reason. even if i was spending 5$ there is nothing that will make me do this. so there is something to stop this from happening. and it is up to the buyer. be smart and you will never get scammed, peace.
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What i suggest is contacting the vendor prior to placing any order to verify that he does not require you to FE. Tell him/her your stats etc, and wait for them to get back to you. If by some chance they want you to finalize early dont order.
This will save you time and heartache of having your btc held up in escrow for a couple of days just to find out the vendor requires early finalization from you. Also be patient. There are good, honest vendors on the road who will gladly take your order if you take your time and find them.
It seems like a lot of people see a deal for their DOC and they become so excited they order and finalize early because they're creaming their pants in excitement. Keep your shit in check, and dont make it easy for these scammers to get your hard earned BTC.
Just a suggestion, take it or leave it, but this is the only way I will place orders from here on out. Good luck all.
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I lost 200 with noriega and 250 with tony on the 420 sale. but it all could have been prevented from me not finalizing early. so all in all this was a very valuable lesson for me more than anything else. i will never finalize early for no reason. even if i was spending 5$ there is nothing that will make me do this. so there is something to stop this from happening. and it is up to the buyer. be smart and you will never get scammed, peace.
On the one hand, you can easily say. "Dumb-Ass" Buyer! Never, ever Finalize Early!
In the case of Noriega & Tony, they were Selling a Highly sought after quality product and pretty well gave the Buyer No Other Option.
How do you deal with this?
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It is a circle that is hard/expensive to break out of it seems (FE). I am new here and from what I have seen the "best"prescription opiate sellers want FE for newbies. Now of course you can just not do it but then that's it, no tabs for you at a potentially ok price. I'm sure there is a solution but damned if I know what is is. To the ones out there smarter than me- keep on thinking and thank you in advance :)
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Don't finalize early, that's why escrow is there.
~Digi
+1
derp derp
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Tony could have left for a million different reasons. Perhaps he was only making a small percent on the products he sold, in which case cashing out thousands (easily, thousands) would be more worth it than peddling his wares for another several months. Perhaps he lost his connect, and didn't want to waste time and energy finding a new one. Maybe he's sitting in a jail cell right now.
In any case, I'm glad he's gone. The number of "finalizing early for THE MAN" feedback comments was sickening. The praise he got only served to dissuade any idea of making negative comments directed toward him. Now any time we see a vendor getting put on a pedestal, we need only to casually pass by and mutter "Tony" and remind everyone that not a single person on this site can be fully trusted, let alone praised like a god.
Perhaps the next time we have a sale, all orders placed during the sale can't be finalized early or something.
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Are we talking about Tony76 here? I can't believe a person would do such a thing. That's why superficial honesty and hypocrisy go hand in hand. But the solution has alerady been mentioned numerous times. Don't FE!
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Perhaps the next time we have a sale, all orders placed during the sale can't be finalized early or something.
That's a great idea but SR won't ever do it. They don't do anything we ask for.
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ever heard of escrow?
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I can count on one hand how many vendors I would finalize early with after almost a year. Escrow is here for a reason. If you have not personally worked with this vendor at least once or twice before there is no reason to FE.
Many of the vendors here are stand up guys and are not looking to screw anyone, but don't be stupid, after all this is the drug trade, not walmart.
There is also the sentiment of 'Never buy more than you can afford to lose' which I wholeheartedly agree with. For most people these are recreational substances. Some may be necessary pharms but by and large by ordering from someone you don't necessarily know you are taking a risk. This said, why would you forfeit your only path of recourse because they say so? Remeber buyers drive a market, if enough people simply refuse to FE then those vendors (If they want to continue to do business) will eventually need to change or they will eventually fail.
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What dank said. I believe it is a very small minority of people that have caused us such trouble. I have no idea how a private SR would work but if it were logistically possible it would be so great to have a private safe reliable place. Reliable vendors and sellers.
Whatever Tony made on the scam I have to believe he could have made just as much if not more by not scamming. He was the number one vendor and would have remained so for years to come.
Tony got burnt out and once he saw all of the 4/20 sale money in his account he took off because it was easier than shipping out all of those orders. I think the best thing we can do is just respect escrow and never FE (though I do understand if you have no transaction history and a vendor makes you FE because of it).
Tony was a imfamous Canadian bikie gang not a single person.
They could make vendors deposit a bond and have the amount of outstanding orders a vendors have tied to the size of the bond they keep with SR.
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i just started down silk road today and im learning the ropes right now..im here as much for chat and to make friends as much as im here to find a compassionate and reliable source for the few things im interested in because im not gonna sit here and poor mouth but im in a bad financial spot..waiting for cervical fusion and or disc replacement and have been out of work for 6 months...not to say im dirt poor but money is tight and while i wont be a bulk buyer as i dont deal i will be regular but im also scared of getting ripped off and me n the wife talked it over the only way i can buy from anybody is if they send me a small sample of what they have and incur the cost to ship nobody ive talked to seems to think thats unreasonable and most also say reputable vendors are more than willing to do this in most cases..but after reading what many of you have posted none of the dealers can really be trusted and while il only have 50 or 60 bucks at the time to spend i cant afford to be taken for it...im going to be in the market for synthetic cannabinoids as i found out that a well done blend can be awesome and not riddle you w/ panic attacks i enjoyed several package brands before they banned them here where i am and i hate i caught the tail end of em before they were banned...also il be looking for some dmt and or any non rc psychedelic...well not all non rc psychedelics the more widely known 1s id be willing to buy ..mainly im trying to avoid the 1s w/ amphetamines added in or the 1s that last like 24 hours...my bodies broken not my mind and id like to keep it that way lol...if anybody knows some1 who may be willing to work w/ me in the confines of my limited weekly budget and need to try what i buy 1st please let me know id really appreciate it as i said im new to silk road and trying to navagate here w/o pissing ppl off and meeting my needs at the same time..well i ramble if im allowed lol...so il stop here w/ a please and thank you
psycho-not
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I would suggest removing everything about your medical history from this post, it reduces your anonymity exponentially.
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i just started down silk road today and im learning the ropes right now..im here as much for chat and to make friends as much as im here to find a compassionate...
psycho-not
As romford, siad, you'd better dlete all your personal stuff from these posts if you don't want to be more easily identified. You're playing with fire.
soyyo