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Discussion => Silk Road discussion => Topic started by: lex on February 28, 2012, 11:37 pm
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There is NO POINT in leaving stupid feedback "Finalizing early!" "Finalizing early for this TRUSTED SELLER". What are you people completely retarded? Once you click "finalize", the coins are released, that's it. DON'T LEAVE FEEDBACK UNTIL YOU GET YOUR PRODUCT. Jesus fucking Christ what is wrong with these people?
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Whether or not a vendor is requiring early finalization is relevant to potential customers. It also gives you an idea on how long shipping takes.
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Whether or not a vendor is requiring early finalization is relevant to potential customers. It also gives you an idea on how long shipping takes.
+1
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But "finalizing early for a trusted seller" doesn't tell you anything since many people do it "out of respect." And they do it for vendors who don't require early finalization. I see it all the time and usually am puzzled as to why they do it. Reading forums I found that they do it as a favor to the vendor or out of respect for the vendor. But this is a risky business and anything can happen to the vendor at anytime.
Not only that, but scammers love to get that sort of feedback.
Anyway, to each his own. But useful feedback will disclose how long shipping took, past experience, professional packaging, etc. Details that inspire confidence in the vendor.
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If you would take a second to breath instead of typing frantically, you'd realize there is a very useful point in noting you are finalizing early. It is the only way currently to distinguish a fully satisfied 5/5 for a product delivered as promised from a 5/5 for an order that hasn't arrived yet.
Basically, you can choose from either leaving less than 5/5 when finalizing early until the package arrives, leaving no feedback notes, or essentially equating your incomplete order with 5/5 completed orders by not noting you had finalized early and are awaiting a package.
Do you believe that a transaction that has been filled to the customer's satisfaction is the same as a transaction that has been paid for yet not filled? If not, then why would you expect the feedback to be the same? Different scenarios require different feedback. The scenario of finalizing early is a perfect use for...you guessed it....a feedback of "Finalized Early."
EDIT: Editing to add a reply to BenJesuit. The act of finalizing early for a trusted and beloved vendor is a way to show your appreciation for solid customer service by freeing money from escrow so it is more immediately useful to their ongoing operations. It is also beneficial for the buyer if they have full faith in the vendor, because with more capital at any given moment the vendor has more flexibility in what and how much they stock. I personally avoid most early finalization, but will not hesitate to finalize early for a trusted smaller seller I feel may benefit from the immediate funds.
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@sonic
I see where you're getting at. After all, that have to leave something. And sure they can update later.
I guess, DPR will have to eventually crack down on the process of finalizing early by locking out buyers with more than a certain number of transactions and with a certain amount spent from the ability to finalize early.
So many people get scammed or have to go through unnecessary stress because of finalizing early. I mean, sure, if you leave it in escrow and have to wait for a resolution, you can lose money due to a drop in BTC value during that time. But it sure beats losing the entire amount due to a scam or some other unforeseen event that occurred with the vendor
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@sonic
I see where you're getting at. After all, that have to leave something. And sure they can update later.
Says who? You can finalize an order without assigning a number or adding a comment (or can finalize and then wait a few days before posting any kind of feedback).
My sense is that some inexperienced/insecure buyers see finalizing early (and letting the world know that they've finalized early) as "the *right* thing to do if a seller is a good/legit one. I think that seeing so many buyers note "I'm finalizing early" causes new folks to think it is some kind of SR tradition that makes one an insider or a full fledged member here, thus they follow suit.
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Point taken. Since I never did it, I wasn't completely positive in the mechanics. It just seemed like leaving it blank wouldn't mesh with the psyche of most people. So they'd feel obligated to say something.
But I think you're right about the new buyers thinking it's an SR etiquette or tradition.
A lot of them don't come to the forum to read about the sad tales of those who finalized early. If they did, they think twice about it. That is unless they meet up with a vendor that requires FE for new enlistees.
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How about leaving 1/5 if you are first to finalize early until you receive the item? When you see
ranked #3 out of 324 sellers with 99.9% positive feedback from more than 500 transactions
You think he's the most legit seller on the website, but only realizing later that most of that feedback is 'Finalizing early'. It's not as bad as the lotteries though. Those make me mad. It's just the seller paying for feedback pretty much.
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I don't think anyone would have the balls to leave 1/5 when FE. Fear that the vendor might retaliate somehow. Considering a vendor did have a meltdown with a 1/5 with FE (though it was a buyer scam), it stands to reason that most vendors wouldn't be happy about it.
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It's hardly a chore to read through a few pages of feedback before ordering is it? You're about to spend $100+ on something, you check it out before right? If it all says finalizing early then leave that seller and come back when some people have updated the feedback. A lot of the buyers on SR seem to be obsessed with "I want it NOW" - if you're in such a rush for your product then go down your local dealers house and get it. This is my opinion anyways and it's been this way (in the short time I've been on SR) due to some really bad behavior towards a quality seller I've, getting shit from people for no other reason other than their own impatience.
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God yes!! I totally agree with the OP and I've said it before in other threads. Why on earth would you finalize early and then leave feedback??
If you HAVE to finalize early for some reason then at least wait until you receive the actual product before leaving feedback. I've lost count of how many vendors have over-inflated ratings because everyone leaves a 5/5 because they have 'respect' for the vendor whether they have ordered from them before or not. This doesn't help at all. How can you give 5/5 if you haven't even received and tried the product??
It really does screw with the whole point of feedback and this trend of leaving 5/5 even when you haven't received what you ordered is madness. It almost feels like people leave a 5/5 because they think this will keep the vendor happy. The whole point of feedback is to evaluate the whole process - from ordering to receiving to consuming.
This issue is close to my heart at the moment because I am one of many who have taken the rating of a vendor to be a fair and just assessment of their reliability and in return have been burnt.
Please, if you have to finalize early, at least wait until you receive your product before leaving feedback.
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As a new buyer with low stats, most vendors request early finalisation.
I had no idea you could FE and leave the feedback BLANK until I read this thread.
Will keep this in mind for future purchases.
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Your drug dealer is not your friend. Drug dealers do not want to help you. Don't finalize for the respect of anyone, the finalize button is there to pay the dealer. This aint Ebay.
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How about leaving 1/5 if you are first to finalize early until you receive the item? When you see
ranked #3 out of 324 sellers with 99.9% positive feedback from more than 500 transactions
You think he's the most legit seller on the website, but only realizing later that most of that feedback is 'Finalizing early'. It's not as bad as the lotteries though. Those make me mad. It's just the seller paying for feedback pretty much.
Hey anon911... What are you on my nuts?
Seriously? I made a thread mentioning i got acid, and you turned it into 9 pages of scare propaganda trying to scare people into thinking it's going to be RC's and linking to stories where people have died etc.. All this before a single person has even received it to test it yet
Who are you? Another vendor? Are you mad that my customers love me and my products?
What is the purpose of this?
Now you are using me as an example of shady feedback?
Let me tell you something... Each and every single one of those 500+ transactions have been well over 50dollars and most around 100 dollars... Do you not think that if the people were unhappy they would have came back and changed their feedback?
As i'm sure you already know, since i assume you are a competing vendor who feels threatened by me, most people who finalize early forget to come back and update their feedback if they are happy with their product. When someone is unhappy, they sure as hell don't forget to update their feedback. So if someone is doing numerous orders a day, and everyone left a 1 out of 5 feedback on early finalization, the vendor would soon be at like 50% instead of 99.9% like they should be.
Now that i've explained it to you, please leave me alone and stop trying to dirty my name. Thanks.
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I just happened to have your vendor page bookmarked and used it as an example.
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I just happened to have your vendor page bookmarked and used it as an example.
"You think he's the most legit seller on the website, but only realizing later that most of that feedback is 'Finalizing early'."
An example? Get real.
You just happened to stumble across my thread mentioning i just received LSD in stock, and turned it into a 9 page scare campaign also, right?
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As i'm sure you already know, since i assume you are a competing vendor who feels threatened by me, most people who finalize early forget to come back and update their feedback if they are happy with their product. When someone is unhappy, they sure as hell don't forget to update their feedback. So if someone is doing numerous orders a day, and everyone left a 1 out of 5 feedback on early finalization, the vendor would soon be at like 50% instead of 99.9% like they should be.
That's a pretty solid point, unhappy people will use any methods at their disposal to make their unhappiness known.
Personally, if people are gonna finalize early, I would rather them say so in the feedback, rather than just leave it blank. That doesn't tell me shit, as a buyer. Someone could have received the product and been too lazy to give any feedback. Let me know that you're finalizing early, and I will know to browse back a few pages and see if there are people actually -receiving- orders and giving legit feedback.
I will admit that I think all the "Finalizing early for trusted seller!" feedbacks can make newbies think it's a normal, expected thing to do. But ultimately, it's up to them to do some research. Check the forum, for fuck's sake. Even a superficial glance around here will fix that misconception. If a buyer can't be bothered to do that, then I can't muster much sympathy for them.
I just happened to have your vendor page bookmarked and used it as an example.
Looks like you're the example here lol.
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But "finalizing early for a trusted seller" doesn't tell you anything since many people do it "out of respect." And they do it for vendors who don't require early finalization. I see it all the time and usually am puzzled as to why they do it. Reading forums I found that they do it as a favor to the vendor or out of respect for the vendor. But this is a risky business and anything can happen to the vendor at anytime.
Not only that, but scammers love to get that sort of feedback.
Anyway, to each his own. But useful feedback will disclose how long shipping took, past experience, professional packaging, etc. Details that inspire confidence in the vendor.
People only do that for sellers they have used multiple times. I sometimes get one or two repeat customers who finalize right after I ship. Its up to the buyer. But what else is the buyer supposed to put. All the buyers who have put "finalized early" almost always update it when they get it. Your drug dealer is not your friend. Drug dealers do not want to help you. Don't finalize for the respect of anyone, the finalize button is there to pay the dealer. This aint Ebay.
I think you are being a little too cut and dry. Many of the best vendors here truly do care about their customers and bend over backwards for their customers. Heck, I want to help people to be able to try things they could never try before. I know how it feels being introduced to the world of psychedelics. I really think that SR is better than eBay as is it is a community. Us vendors buy from each other and I try and fulfill my customers orders quickly. We aren't the Bourgeoisie we are just people trying to do our best at a remarkably stressful line of work. How about leaving 1/5 if you are first to finalize early until you receive the item? When you see
ranked #3 out of 324 sellers with 99.9% positive feedback from more than 500 transactions
You think he's the most legit seller on the website, but only realizing later that most of that feedback is 'Finalizing early'. It's not as bad as the lotteries though. Those make me mad. It's just the seller paying for feedback pretty much.
Who shoved a massive stick up your ass. Its not like being #3 or #60 really makes a big difference. Once you are a known and trusted vendor than thats it...its not like you can somehow become king of the vendors and get a prize. There is no prize for 1st place on SR.
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Most people who says finalize early, do not update their feedback.
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Most people who says finalize early, do not update their feedback.
Yes and this is the problem.
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do sellers give you a bonus if you finalize early? like a few more pills or grams? if not, then how come peeps do it so much?
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do sellers give you a bonus if you finalize early? like a few more pills or grams? if not, then how come peeps do it so much?
They worry vendors would not ship their orders until they finalized.
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I am new here and already received one order and waiting for a new one. When I did it for a first time, vendor did not forced me to finalize early and I finalized right after receiving envelope. Also, before the first buy I spent some time for investigation on shipping, security, etc. And on stage of choosing vendor, I already knew about escrow, finalization, also i read vendor's history, searching real delivery reviews among the fe-reviews. Don't assume that SR newcomers are stupid, everyone can easily find all important information about buying stuff here. And if somebody are so lazy and stupid, you somehow should forbid them to buy here, because they can ignore all personal security measures and got busted lol ;D
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Most people who says finalize early, do not update their feedback.
Yes and this is the problem.
Yes, and it's already been discussed that if there were a problem, they certainly WOULD update their feedback. It's a little curious how you ignore that bit.
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If they don't update the feedback, then obviously everything went fine.
I agree that they should actually go back and put something about the order, but guess what - the only person you can control is yourself, so you're gonna just have to live with it :)
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No truer words. No truer words, davidd.
so true, can't control the actions of others. If people want to finalize before getting their order, that's their business. If someone gets burnt because of it, well, means they dont spend any time reading the forum. Ive been lurkin and readin b4 my first order. this whole thing seemed to good to be true so i figured better see what the catch is. everywhere I read, somebody would say, "do not finalize early."
so i thought vendors who required it were scammers. I looked for ones who didn't. not even for noobs. And i thought finalize early might be like some thing to do to maybe get you some extra. But I am not looking to get burned so i figured i'd be different than everyone else and use the escrow system for what it was designed for.
if i had to guess, i say that maybe only 33% of people use the escrow system how it was designed. could be more like maybe up to 50% on a good day.
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If they don't update the feedback, then obviously everything went fine.
Agree. Assuming X percent of "unhappy" customers revise their 5/5 reviews after recieving the product and being dissatisfied, a "finalizing early" feedback that is older than the average amount of time it takes for a seller's product to arrive (information gathered from other feedback, vender's description, or from sifting through the forums.....see rant below) tells me that there is an X percect chance that all went well and the customer is satisfied. Or at least that X percent weren't dissatisfied enough for them to take the time to change the feedback. At least it does tell me a little something, IMHO.
Lex, I hear ya though. It sure would be nice to have the feedback section filled with useful info like:
"5/5 Great Product. Even made my breasts bigger!"
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"1/5 Bad stuff, diarrhea for three days" etc. But hey...
I finalize early because, for the product I want, every vendor requires it. I have no choice if I want the product.
What is irksome though is in a "Vendor Review" thread, or worse a "product Review" thread in the forums when people write things like:
"Hey so-and-so, I really want to try your stuff!" OR
"I just ordered, I can't wait" OR
"Stuff recieved, looks legit".
Does anyone really care that I just placed an order? NO! Just tell me the nitty gritty already. Is it good or not? Please. I spend half my time wading through these inane posts.
Peace
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The Ultimate One Up Answer: How about "Don't finalize early" ?
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We need a way to penalize buyers who don't update their early finalize feedback.
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We need a way to penalize buyers who don't update their early finalize feedback.
I propose death by snu snu
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I was originally thinking we should include it in buyer stats but vendors wouldn't really care as long as they got their 5/5.
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We need a way to penalize buyers who don't update their early finalize feedback.
I say if anything make it part of the process. If they finalize early (which The Road would easily be able to tell if they did) then it's automatic, you can't leave a rating or touch the feedback. Then later you are reminded to update feedback or dispute the transaction after so many days.
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It strikes me that you're looking deeper than you need to. The finalizing early thing is a great show of trust/respect between a buyer and seller. They have used them before and have no doubts their order will be received and for that are rewarding the vendor with quicker access to their funds. If it's a vendor asking a buyer to FE, well then they should state that. I know as a vendor when I see the new buyer I prefer to make their experience the best ever rather than treat them as a crook right off the bat.
I've been burned by this but I accept that as the risk. I'll take the risk to get someone comfortable with the market and the good vendors rather than treat them like a crook on their first purchase at an emerging market.
As far as all the other feedback tweaks...only one I'm looking for is not being able to change it down the line. I've seen a lot of vendors posting complaints about someone showing up from a purchase earlier and holding their feedback ransom...what the shit.
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excuse me if maybe I am too malicious but if you are going to scam "finalized early" or similar declinations of the same phrase are the most simple comment you can leave if you use self-fabricated accounts.
In facts, building up a consistent number of positive and most of all credible comments to overshadow negative feedbacks and mantain a >95/100 reputation requires time ( a couple of days for sure because 20 feedbacks in 2 hour is definitely NOT credible ) and a lot of fantasy.
However I think that reviews on forum are much more important than feedbacks, in particular I trust in sellers who got a detailed review every 20 feedbacks at least because I think that subtracting the repetitive buyers at least 50% of all orders are made by noob, so I cannot believe that at least 1 of 10 of these noobs doesn't come to the forum and enjoy their experience.
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It strikes me that you're looking deeper than you need to. The finalizing early thing is a great show of trust/respect between a buyer and seller. They have used them before and have no doubts their order will be received and for that are rewarding the vendor with quicker access to their funds. If it's a vendor asking a buyer to FE, well then they should state that. I know as a vendor when I see the new buyer I prefer to make their experience the best ever rather than treat them as a crook right off the bat.
I've been burned by this but I accept that as the risk. I'll take the risk to get someone comfortable with the market and the good vendors rather than treat them like a crook on their first purchase at an emerging market.
As far as all the other feedback tweaks...only one I'm looking for is not being able to change it down the line. I've seen a lot of vendors posting complaints about someone showing up from a purchase earlier and holding their feedback ransom...what the shit.
>They have used them before and have no doubts their order will be received and for that are rewarding the vendor with quicker access to their funds.
Err, you know a lot of venders will basically force you to early finalize if you're a new buyer right? It's not a trust thing when the person has no choice.
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Err, you know a lot of venders will basically force you to early finalize if you're a new buyer right? It's not a trust thing when the person has no choice.
Exactly.
Some vendors also request early finalisation if you are from a specific country (such as Australia, for example!)... or just for placing an international order from any overseas country!!
If we want to do business at all, sometimes buyers just have to suck it up and do whatever the vendors request.
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Err, you know a lot of venders will basically force you to early finalize if you're a new buyer right? It's not a trust thing when the person has no choice.
Exactly.
Some vendors also request early finalisation if you are from a specific country (such as Australia, for example!)... or just for placing an international order from any overseas country!!
If we want to do business at all, sometimes buyers just have to suck it up and do whatever the vendors request.
That's true, but no one is twisting your arm. You don't have to buy anything if you don't like how the vendor conducts business. If you're from a country like Australia, or the US in a lot of cases, you just have to accept that your situation is not ideal and take what you can get. Or leave it.
And if you're a new buyer, then yeah, you're going to have to put some trust in someone. But doesn't that make sense? Somebody has to trust somebody, and given the choice between a brand new buyer with no history and an established vendor with a ton of reviews on the forums, who is the more trustworthy party? Make a few orders, get some good stats, and then you've got leverage. The vendors will be more likely to trust you in return.
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You know, you can actually change the feedback there...
I mean most people don't. I am actually had to ask someone about my LC order if they could change it cause it sat there for like a month saying "Still haven't received it," but at the time of auto-finalising, they really hadn't received it yet.(Oz orders take like a month to get there in the first place :P)
So if the customer is finalising early for whatever reason, they should be allowed to say that is what they did and if they want to, they can change it.
Not really seeing the problem here.
-Amush
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That's true, but no one is twisting your arm. You don't have to buy anything if you don't like how the vendor conducts business. If you're from a country like Australia, or the US in a lot of cases, you just have to accept that your situation is not ideal and take what you can get. Or leave it.
And if you're a new buyer, then yeah, you're going to have to put some trust in someone. But doesn't that make sense? Somebody has to trust somebody, and given the choice between a brand new buyer with no history and an established vendor with a ton of reviews on the forums, who is the more trustworthy party? Make a few orders, get some good stats, and then you've got leverage. The vendors will be more likely to trust you in return.
Agree with everything you said, and actually wasn't meaning to complain about the situation. I know no one is twisting our arms as new buyers, and that it's honestly not that big of a drama in the grand scheme of SR, all things considered. There is obviously always an element of risk involved in doing business like this for both parties.
My comments were more directed at other people/posts in this thread who were painting this picture that people tend to only FE early because they have some sort of profound trust in the vendor and are regular customers that have purchased repeatedly from them.
Just wanted to remind people that the majority if FE cases are actually due to the fact that new buyers typically have to establish themselves as trustworthy and build up a reputation, and are left without many choices but to FE. If you trawl through pages of feedback, you usually see comments that say something like "Finalising early, new buyer." Admittedly, sometimes the comments do say things like "Finalising early, trustworthy seller," but I think the majority of them are new buyers.
After considering all of this, I guess I don't really see FE as so much of a problem, as long as more people make a habit of going back and updating/changing their feedback and comments once the item is received and tested, as well as writing reviews of vendors and products in the forums, so we can all get a better idea of who to do business with.
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I think it looks bad also but I feel if they do finalize early the buyer should also update once it's received. I think that's just the buyer being honest but also looks bad for the vendor so I feel anyone who says finalized early should also update that once they receive. I have had many buyers of mine do this and I appreciate that.
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There is NO POINT in leaving stupid feedback "Finalizing early!" "Finalizing early for this TRUSTED SELLER". What are you people completely retarded? Once you click "finalize", the coins are released, that's it. DON'T LEAVE FEEDBACK UNTIL YOU GET YOUR PRODUCT. Jesus fucking Christ what is wrong with these people?
There's nothing wrong with leaving feedback stating what you're actually doing, which in this case would be "finalizing early for a trusted seller" because you're a new buyer.
Leaving it there once the transaction is complete is another story. Go back and EDIT THE FEEDBACK once you receive your order to reflect the actual experience you had with the seller.
I don't think a lot of new users realize that they have the option to do this...
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like the above post says. It is completely optional to leave feedback when finalizing. You can finalize one day, and wait a frickin week to give feedback (AFAIK.. I've only ever waited about 3 or 4 days). I usually finalize immediately (OK, not immediately, as that would be impossible, but as soon as reasonably possible) upon receiving a package, then finalize once I've had a chance to assess its quality, quantity, packaging, etc. In the couple situations where I've finalized before shipping (which I've only done twice) I reserved the review until I was satisfied enough to give a 5/5. I did this even when one order came up short (finalized, but did not review yet).. That ended up very well, because the vendor (Davidd) gave me what I was owed, plus extra (which must have surely cost him out of pocket, and for shipping).. He got a very good review from me in the end... That's not even finalizing early..
Still, it always left me confused looking at all the 'Finalizing early' feedback. Its optional! :D
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"They should leave whatever they want, then change it"
Yes, or they could just not leave a pointless "finalizing early" feedback in the first place. It provides no information to other buyers, it's a redundant and useless comment.
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"They should leave whatever they want, then change it"
Yes, or they could just not leave a pointless "finalizing early" feedback in the first place. It provides no information to other buyers, it's a redundant and useless comment.
Yes it does.
Come on now. If they didn't receive their goods, you KNOW they would change it. They would raise high hell and make it known. Where as if all was good or acceptable they just kinda leave it. They forget cause they got what they wanted.
-Amush
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"They should leave whatever they want, then change it"
Yes, or they could just not leave a pointless "finalizing early" feedback in the first place. It provides no information to other buyers, it's a redundant and useless comment.
That's just flat wrong. It tells you that the person finalized early, doesn't it? Otherwise you'd be looking at a blank space where the feedback goes, wondering if they just got their package and said to hell with giving any feedback. Is that what you think people should do? Just leave it blank? That LITERALLY tells you nothing.
And like SO MANY people have now said, again and again, you know that if there was a problem, that feedback would be changed. If the package never showed, the feedback would be changed. To try and ignore or debate that fact is just dense.
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There is NO POINT in leaving stupid feedback "Finalizing early!" "Finalizing early for this TRUSTED SELLER". What are you people completely retarded? Once you click "finalize", the coins are released, that's it. DON'T LEAVE FEEDBACK UNTIL YOU GET YOUR PRODUCT. Jesus fucking Christ what is wrong with these people?
Wow.... what a dickhead.
That is all.
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There is NO POINT in leaving stupid feedback "Finalizing early!" "Finalizing early for this TRUSTED SELLER". What are you people completely retarded? Once you click "finalize", the coins are released, that's it. DON'T LEAVE FEEDBACK UNTIL YOU GET YOUR PRODUCT. Jesus fucking Christ what is wrong with these people?
Wow.... what a dickhead.
That is all.
Well, not really. OP is actually 100% accurate. Finalizing early is ridiculous and gives you the buyer ZERO protection against being ripped off. You might as well close your Silk Road account and start using your local dealer instead. Just as much chance of being ripped off.
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I haven't read this whole thread but this kind of puzzled me also....because I always see reviews saying.... "finalized early for trusted seller. Will update when i receive product" ,....but there are never updates and it looks like all these buyers were ripped off or never got product.
Why not just wait to receive it (or not receive it) and THEN write that u finalized early and received product as promised or whatever? Then we'll all know u got it and weren't scammed.
I had to FE once but didn't leave feedback until I got package...and I like that NOT REVIEWING AFTER FE leaves the feedback box on my orders page to basically remind me to review the item and then I can write the FULL experience at once.
Once people review to say they FE, they never seem to remember to come back & finish the story & let us (potential buyers) know if they ever got it. Instead it looks like they gave their money away, never got package and just cut their loses and never came back to update.
Is there some kind of benefit to reviewing BEFORE u receive an item that I'm not aware of as opposed to just waiting to write your full experience at one time?
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ive only made 1 order so far and in the comments section i said "fe'd will update" but when i click on the listing i cant see any way to update my order, is updating reviews a feature thats been removed or something has broken or what?
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A friendly request from your neighborhood Mod, even if you finalize early, do not review until you have tried it. And the please DON'T write "Good smoke, got me really high", do try and be descriptive. Some of these vendors don't understand the power of a good description.
Plus every time you leave a detailed, well thought out, and awesome description your dick grows a bit.
~Digi
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Digi - I think for some of us it will be our nose that grows.
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Digi - I think for some of us it will be our nose that grows.
Haha fair enough. Either way, I hope people start posting some real strain / item descriptions.
~Digi
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That's just flat wrong. It tells you that the person finalized early, doesn't it? Otherwise you'd be looking at a blank space where the feedback goes, wondering if they just got their package and said to hell with giving any feedback. Is that what you think people should do? Just leave it blank? That LITERALLY tells you nothing.
I agree with this, and second DigitalAlch's suggestion as well, some better strain reviews would be swell.
Plus, I am in favor of people leaving finalize early when they do it if they want. I think it also shows that other people have taken a risk, especially with a new vendor and I can know whether to expect reviews, or if I could be the first to try them out, or even just to see the current running of how many people a scammer is taking sadly.
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This seems like a silly thread, especially with the OP such up in arms over something so trivial. You sound like a control freak.
I, myself, like when people state FE. When I'm checking over the listings and see people writing that, I know the vendor is one of those types that require FE without having to read over their entire profile. That way, I'll have an idea if I want to deal with them or not, most times not. So I find it pretty helpful while I'm browsing.
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There is NO POINT in leaving stupid feedback "Finalizing early!" "Finalizing early for this TRUSTED SELLER". What are you people completely retarded? Once you click "finalize", the coins are released, that's it. DON'T LEAVE FEEDBACK UNTIL YOU GET YOUR PRODUCT. Jesus fucking Christ what is wrong with these people?
Wow.... what a dickhead.
That is all.
Well, not really. OP is actually 100% accurate. Finalizing early is ridiculous and gives you the buyer ZERO protection against being ripped off. You might as well close your Silk Road account and start using your local dealer instead. Just as much chance of being ripped off.
The problem, and the reason that so many vendors require new buyers to finalize early, is that escrow provides TOO MUCH protection for buyers. It's really a trivial matter to claim that some shit didn't come and get a refund. Once they've gotten what they wanted, they can jump straight into another free buyer account and keep on trucking. So it makes sense to me, that sellers would require new buyers to earn the protection of escrow, instead of it just being handed out to everybody that can come up with a new username and fake email.
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Anyone stop to think that if someone leaves feedback saying "FE for trusted seller; will update later" then comes back and updates, unless they leave in the part that says "FE for trusted seller; will update later," which would make the feedback piss off OP (probably), they more likely erase the whole feedback box and start over?
In other words, it's invalid to say nobody ever comes back and updates, because you are only using examples to the contrary to prove it and those examples disappear when people do what you want them to. Make sense?
Maybe better to say "people should go update their feedback" and . . . Yeah! They should! ::shakes fist::
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I just bought from dagobert who forced me to FE (due to being outside Germany) - I left a comment along the lines of "FE - will update comment later".
However, as someone else has said, there is no way to modify your comment.
It is not clear that you can FE without grading and commenting - I'll give it a go next time.
Anyway, dagobert did deliver very quickly and the goods met the description. Packaging could be improved.
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5/5 thread!
Commenting early for trusted forum member! Will update later!
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I just bought from dagobert who forced me to FE (due to being outside Germany) - I left a comment along the lines of "FE - will update comment later".
However, as someone else has said, there is no way to modify your comment.
It is not clear that you can FE without grading and commenting - I'll give it a go next time.
Anyway, dagobert did deliver very quickly and the goods met the description. Packaging could be improved.
You can (and should) modify your feedback. Go into account (link at top of page) and there's a box on the right with a link to "View Feedback."
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5/5 thread!
Commenting early for trusted forum member! Will update later!
Lol! :P
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STOP FINALIZING EARLY! MAYBE THEN WE HAVE HERE GOOD QUALITY STUFF
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...i haven't left feedback as of yet, but was asked to finalise early and yet no item arrived thus far...will update as soon as...
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I just bought from dagobert who forced me to FE (due to being outside Germany) - I left a comment along the lines of "FE - will update comment later".
However, as someone else has said, there is no way to modify your comment.
It is not clear that you can FE without grading and commenting - I'll give it a go next time.
Anyway, dagobert did deliver very quickly and the goods met the description. Packaging could be improved.
You can (and should) modify your feedback. Go into account (link at top of page) and there's a box on the right with a link to "View Feedback."
Thanks - comment changed :-[
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5/5 thread!
Commenting early for trusted forum member! Will update later!
5/5 post would read again thanks
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The feedback system is not very useful the way it works now. The site should rework the way feedback is handled.
Every item that the seller has listed should be able to be given a 1 to 10 rating on a) Speed b) Price c) Quality/Purity by anyone who has purchased that item before.
Every seller should also be able to be given feedback on his profile, a 1 to 10 rating on a) Customer Service b) Packaging c) Reliability by anyone who has purchased from the seller 2 or more times.
Or something more along those lines, IMO.
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The feedback system is not very useful the way it works now. The site should rework the way feedback is handled.
Every item that the seller has listed should be able to be given a 1 to 10 rating on a) Speed b) Price c) Quality/Purity by anyone who has purchased that item before.
Every seller should also be able to be given feedback on his profile, a 1 to 10 rating on a) Customer Service b) Packaging c) Reliability by anyone who has purchased from the seller 2 or more times.
Or something more along those lines, IMO.
+1 I agree, we need a feedback system like this. Kinda like a survey.
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Or you could stop expecting a numerical system to do all the work for you, and do some research for yourself. Any system will have the capability of being exploited.
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Or you could stop expecting a numerical system to do all the work for you, and do some research for yourself. Any system will have the capability of being exploited.
i think most people to do their homework, but it is hard with limited amount of info available at any given time. OF course any numerical system is just that numbers on a screen to be read however you like, but I don't think what we have going is working so we need some new ideas and you sir have offered nothing but pessimism and no real information to help out the topic. Another useless rant by someone what can tell us everything that is wrong, but wont give us any suggestions on how to make it better. Hmmmm....
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...What pessimism, exactly? I think we have a pretty damn good setup. It just takes a little more effort and patience than some people would like.
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Its easy to study up on sellers before you buy. I did this and after reading the forums various threads on various sellers gear - plus reading the user comments plus the sellers description - you get a good sense of what is a good deal and what is not.
Speed for example has a lot of debate and I think my choice of seller had good speed because all the comments say so!
One sellers admits to some trepidation over a batch of speed but some buyers love it and he or she states that they would prefer previous buyers.
One UK seller is doing a gram for the insane price of one bitcoin! By reports its well worth the buck - its a basic 'ok' street speed.
As for finalizing early - I think its valid for people to both do that and state so publically. If a seller has a good rep - and many are finalizing early it shows confidence in the package arriving.
New people here will want to finalize when the package arrives which is fair as buying here the first time is 'will it or won't it' process.
As stated people can actually go back to their comments in the user panel and add more information such as how long it took to arrive - if it was as described and hopefully a little review as to the quality of the said product.
Admittedly I did not know you could change or edit your comments but now I know I will always add a review of the testing of the goodies.
So in conclusion stating finalizing early - or even 'FE' - is valid and has some use. But edit the comment when you have more insight as to the wonders of whatever delight you purchased. The big question for every potential buyer has to be 'Is it the real thing?'
Thanks for reading. ;)
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Used to be, escrow was the norm, and it was hard on the sellers sometimes, so we buyers started finalizing early, to let other new buyers know these were trusted sellers, and since we didn't want to just leave it blank, we'd put in 'finalizing early, trusted vendor' or something along those lines.
I agree it got bad, and abused of, and yeah, too many new vendors thought *that* was the norm and even started demanding it, but changes have been made, so if it's a little harder to rip people off. But in any case, telling people what to do never accomplishes what you want, and usually just aggravates them into doing the opposite.
I myself don't much care one way or the other, I always go to the forums, and read what is written there, and don't go much on feedback, certainly not on 'good' feedback, as they can just sell a bunch of cheap shit to run their numbers up. But again, people, me included, just want to help out their vendors, and at the same time, let other people know they haven't received their product yet.
Regardless, it's always important to go back and edit any posts that should be changed, once your product arrives...it's not that hard to figure out how to edit, and I figured everybody did that, or should do that, if they finalize early for whatever reason. But anyway, this was fought out earlier, and we do the best we can with it. Giving out accurate info is important, but also, the sooner newbies get to the forums, the better off they'll be...
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I've lost big chunks of money (for me) more than once to vendors that had come through multiple times with great product. I still prefer escrow. I find truly professional vendors don't seem to mind. I guess if someone is really poorly funded then it is an issue, but when they stay that way long-term it's a sign of some sort of problem anyway.
But I don't have an issue with vendors requesting that unknown buyers finalize early. I think that when vendors request someone finalizes early that they should always use some kind of tracking that can be verified by the buyer. I prefer untracked shipments and I am willing to split the risk with the vendor but I can understand why so many are hesitant to do so.
So finalizing early seems to have a place but doesn't seem like it should be the norm other than for buyers that need to establish a pattern of reliability. I value my reputation as a buyer in the same way, I think, that a good seller values their reputation. Sometimes things happen but with shared financial risk we manage to get through them.
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Its easy to study up on sellers before you buy. I did this and after reading the forums various threads on various sellers gear - plus reading the user comments plus the sellers description - you get a good sense of what is a good deal and what is not.
Speed for example has a lot of debate and I think my choice of seller had good speed because all the comments say so!
One sellers admits to some trepidation over a batch of speed but some buyers love it and he or she states that they would prefer previous buyers.
One UK seller is doing a gram for the insane price of one bitcoin! By reports its well worth the buck - its a basic 'ok' street speed.
As for finalizing early - I think its valid for people to both do that and state so publically. If a seller has a good rep - and many are finalizing early it shows confidence in the package arriving.
New people here will want to finalize when the package arrives which is fair as buying here the first time is 'will it or won't it' process.
As stated people can actually go back to their comments in the user panel and add more information such as how long it took to arrive - if it was as described and hopefully a little review as to the quality of the said product.
Admittedly I did not know you could change or edit your comments but now I know I will always add a review of the testing of the goodies.
So in conclusion stating finalizing early - or even 'FE' - is valid and has some use. But edit the comment when you have more insight as to the wonders of whatever delight you purchased. The big question for every potential buyer has to be 'Is it the real thing?'
Thanks for reading. ;)
Remember everyone, this is a discussion about those people who leave FEEDBACK when finalizing early, not about people who finalize early per se. In my opinion, customers should only leave feedback once the product's received - and I think that needs to be made clearer to buyers.
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I think people are just trying to give as much info as they can, which many of us do appreciate. If they say 'finalized early, trusted seller', we know what that means, and if they leave more descriptive feedback, we know they have gotten product and are describing what it was like...and all the other stuff. If it's not a 'trusted vendor' then don't put that, just put 'finalized early'....
I don't like 'blanks' as it doesn't tell me anything. Seems like a small thing, and I don't see why it's bothersome, even after reading all these posts. People can do what they want, we are free agents. 'Live and Let Live,' my motto ;)
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Your drug dealer is not your friend. Drug dealers do not want to help you. Don't finalize for the respect of anyone, the finalize button is there to pay the dealer. This aint Ebay.
This^
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Your drug dealer is not your friend. Drug dealers do not want to help you. Don't finalize for the respect of anyone, the finalize button is there to pay the dealer. This aint Ebay.
This^
Don't understand all that^^^: it's a bit condescending at best. What's the point? People have been bitching about the early finalizers ever since it began: nothing has changed. Has nothing to do with 'friendship'. Some people have developed good relationships with their dealers, but telling people not to do something, without giving any good logical reasons, isn't going to change anything. I get stubborn when people get pushy. SR works fine, there are other places for those who don't like the setup...
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I got really really stoned and accidently finalized early on a 5g order even though it wasn't required... I trust the vendor, but i'm still reletively new here so i'd like to keep things in escrow until i start becoming more comfortable with some of these vendors.
Looking back on it, i have no idea how the fuck i 'accidently' finalized early...I've been smoking a looot of weed since i lost my job
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Always agreed with this point - finalize early if you have to - but there is no need to finalize early on their feedback. Its pointless if theyr given a 5/5 before theyv done anything - im sure you think theyll come thru nicely but no harm in waiting it out
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Always agreed with this point - finalize early if you have to - but there is no need to finalize early on their feedback. Its pointless if theyr given a 5/5 before theyv done anything - im sure you think theyll come thru nicely but no harm in waiting it out
You're right on this. When I have to finalize early, and sometimes, to get the product I want so badly from a good vendor, lately I have to, I just put that I had to finalize early, and will return to reEdit when product arrives, and I actually do take the time to do that...but looking over much of the feedback, the last couple days after reading this thread, I suspect most people never do.
I've not liked that this happened: it used to be just a 'given' that you worked within escrow, and when finalizing early started, best I remember, it was always *buyer* driven, usually to help out vendors we knew well who needed the money.
Then it turned into a way to keep new buyers on the up and up, and just kept going downhill from there. More and more now, good vendors do it to everybody...I mean, yeah, you can say 'no' but if you've already gone to the trouble, and allocated the btc., and then after waiting a few days, vendor says he's 'processed' but won't send until finalize early, real hard to then start over. I"m still sorting it out...sure has changed the place tho, as I believe this site was based on the escrow system, and for people now that they can, to just bypass it automatically bugs me...
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That is a good point. I'll try to make it clear as it confused me.
You can release escrow WITHOUT submitting the feedback. It will stay in you "account" tab happily waiting for you until you are READY to submit it.
I found this out by accident through orders being canceled on me. They still present you with a feedback option and it just sits there.....waiting for you to make a decision on what you want to say, until you fill it out.
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I actually received feedback just yesterday and it said "asked me to finalize early" ??? I can't recall asking a single person to finalize early, let alone someone actually doing it. Even though I got 5/5, the comment ittself is upsetting to me.
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I actually received feedback just yesterday and it said "asked me to finalize early" ??? I can't recall asking a single person to finalize early, let alone someone actually doing it. Even though I got 5/5, the comment ittself is upsetting to me.
I swear this is a SR bug where sometimes vendors get given each others' feedback randomly. I notice the occasional comment that makes NO sense under that vendor's product, and seems like it was intended for one of the bigger vendors.
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I thought i was going crazy, thats good to know, but not good!
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I have been guilty of finalizing early on two occasions. Both times the product has not arrived and the vendors have not bothered responding to my concerns.
I will not be 'finalizing early' again!
Both vendors are considered reputable, I will name them if asked/required...........
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That is a good point. I'll try to make it clear as it confused me.
You can release escrow WITHOUT submitting the feedback. It will stay in you "account" tab happily waiting for you until you are READY to submit it.
I found this out by accident through orders being canceled on me. They still present you with a feedback option and it just sits there.....waiting for you to make a decision on what you want to say, until you fill it out.
Oh, I didn't know that either...probably quite a few people didn't...I'll try that next time I have to FE, thankyou.
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You can release escrow WITHOUT submitting the feedback. It will stay in you "account" tab happily waiting for you until you are READY to submit it.
I found this out by accident through orders being canceled on me. They still present you with a feedback option and it just sits there.....waiting for you to make a decision on what you want to say, until you fill it out.
Just to throw in my perspective as a newb: it's not immediately obvious that the feedback form will stay on your account page until you submit feedback... I thought the only way to update it was to leave feedback and then come back and edit it later through the 'feedback' page.
A highly reputable vendor (who I've used in the past), updated their profile to ask buyers not to leave "FE" messages. I spent a bunch of time looking for how that was supposed to work and ended up leaving a minimal feedback after ordering because I thought the feedback form would disappear. It took the quoted comment for me to get how it works.
While it's a very low priority issue, really, I think that you could clear up some confusion by having the "Finalized orders awaiting feedback" header on the account page be visible even if you have no open orders. That way people with a brand new account can see that there can be a Finalize -> Receive -> Feedback workflow in cases of early finalization.
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I have been guilty of finalizing early on two occasions. Both times the product has not arrived and the vendors have not bothered responding to my concerns.
I will not be 'finalizing early' again!
Both vendors are considered reputable, I will name them if asked/required...........
If you've been screwed around name and shame i say - but dont get me wrong obviously ur post count of 4 won't mean much if they are indeed very reputable vendors - but if you feel uv been messed around then go for it - i would
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I don't mind people saying they finalized early, but just don't forget to leave a product review. I've seen too many that are just left and "FE" with no review.