Silk Road forums
Discussion => Silk Road discussion => Topic started by: over_done_soup on January 01, 2012, 03:56 pm
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Just signed up at SR with a new buyer account, got a welcome message, expected it to be by SR, but no some stupid messaage from "Welcome Wagon", what is ths all about
firstly its meant to assist new buyers, but it heavily pushes a few select sellers only, completely unfair to the other 226 sellers out there.
Secondly, athough not nice to be a new buyer, we shouldnt encourage them to buy shite for 0.01 btc to build up threre buyer stats, this is actually fucking bad for sellers who get a false stat, as anyone could get high stats overnight buy buying torrent invites etc
I thinks this need rewritten urgently, SR please advise this crap, hey sellers you aware of this crap??!! How come i get spam the moment i join SR now with a new account, shady,
i would post it here, but i would have to edit it first to make it fiar.
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welcome!!
Anything POSITIVE so far???
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wtf I don't remember a welcome wagon msg but yeah, welcome.
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I posted about this in rumor mill and welcome wagon responded. Its not a scam but I too was caught off guard having just lost $$ to CFMF and his acct was closed the day I got this welcome wagon message. weirrd.
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welcome wagon is weird. It would also be safe to assume that welcome wagon is run by someone who has some type of authority on this website and that that person has some connection to each of the accounts that welcome wagon pushes. Therefore all LE can assume that if they were to bust any account featured on the welcome wagon letters that the person behind that account is close to the top of the SR pyramid.
Welcome wagon is just like joe smo or w/e who is actually a top vendor who uses his position to get more business. Its some bullshit but SR is just like the real world where the Status Quo set the rules and influence others to do things that would help them.
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welcome wagon is warweed. Do a search and read the thread. He created a bot that contacts new users.
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LMAO The replies to this thread are funny as shit considering none of you have any idea what the fuck you are talking about hahaha. Here are some actual facts instead of the bullshit you guys are making up.
- Welcome wagon is not connected to SR administration and is not in an 'authority' position lol.
- Welcome wagon is just a BOT that was made by a member to welcome new members to the site and to recommend vendors that have good feedback.
- The vendors that are recommended are mostly ones that the bot creator knew or ones that were in the SILC chat when the bot was created.
This thread was a good read though lol.
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I believe the bot gets sr usernames by registration date/time. If you go to the memberlist and organize by date registered you can see the newest members, which is how is believe he gets the names.
On to getting scammed, has sugar mama contacted you at all? Or have you posted a scam report or anything here on the forums?
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I think this is REALLY unfair to other vendors that aren't on this list...let people make their own decisions using forums and feedback scores rather then some sort of VIP list of new vendors...
just my 2 pence..
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You cry unfair now but what if you decided to use a less credible vendor? Then you would be in here crying out scam. Welcome Wagon recommends some highly respected members of the community, nobody says you have to use them but those are the ones you can count on to come through and maintain a solid reputation on there.
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I also got a message when I joined, seemed OK to me. I went right to Sugar Mama, and was flyin down the road in no time.
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:) Life isn't fair feel free to create your own bot *ANY* time you want :) and recommend whom ever you want but people on there have met my criteria and frankly they have given no reason to for me to *believe* they would be scammers :) and if they are i can just as easily send a message out saying that they are and remove them from a list
also i can't very well explain how the bot works but it really really simple there is just a million bugs that had to be worked out prior to deploying
as of current the bot has sent 21,962 messages to new users only 57% read the message or at least open the message and as far as my sales go only 4.9% of those have purchased from me which is actually fairly high considering
not going to lie i like making money like the next but i also do have good intentions to welcome people to the site and just explain some basics :) I also reply to *every* single person whom messages me back which is roughly about 200 people a day .. so if you don't like it gtfo :)
thank you,
-warweed
BTW the welcome wagon bot is being restructured :)
as per the WW bot I also have a bot that handles and processes all my orders automatically and stream lines the the buy and deliver process
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Oh and I have every right to make money like the next person obviously im going to educate and make it a *bit* in my favor frankly bitcoins are going to pay for my wedding so I do what i have to do
The message will be changing soon as per a *new* welcome wagon bot deployment
the current message is
Dear $User,
Welcome to Silk Road! Please take the time to review this message as it contains some important information for first time users.
Silk Road is an anonymous marketplace where you can buy and sell products anonymously.
To purchase items on Silk Road you will need to acquire a new currency called Bitcoin. Bitcoin is a digital currency that uses encryption and no personal information to make anonymous transactions over the internet.
You can obtain bitcoins through a variety of ways. You could register with an exchange site like Mt. Gox , Tradehill.com, Cavirtex.com (Canadian Market) or Get-Bitcoin.com and use one of their many funding options. Or you can buy a money pak at Walgreens or Walmart (United States) and sell that to a MP->BTC vendor on SR and receive your bitcoins directly into your Silk Road account.
When you attempt to buy something from SR there is one ***VERY** important thing you need to know. The vendors here on SR like the buyers to have some sort of Transaction history. Alot of vendors require a minimum three transactions. Which means you have to have at least three successful Transactions or else they want you to finalize early. This is because of the fear of buyer scams
*****Finalize early is very high risk***** and also against the site guidelines this means you have to release the bitcoins out of SR's escrow (by finalizing) to the vendor before you get your product. If you attempt to place an order to such a vendor that has a 3 transaction min. they will cancel the order immediately.
Catch 22. I have bitcoins and I want to buy drugs but cannot buy drugs because I have to buy something to build a Buyer History.
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*********There is a Solution! *********
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Buy digital goods! There are some great digital goods vendors on SR one such is Warweed. Warweed sell's books on all sorts of controversial topics for VERY cheap and also sells various software. He also has a script that fills your orders almost automatically giving you an *almost* instant delivery (within two min). To receive your buyer history, you have to finalize your order after it has been received by going to your orders page and clicking Finalize.
To have a look and to start getting a Buyer History check Warweed's profile page for multiple pages of GREAT Item's and other Digital Goods to Increase your Buyer History Now!
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/index.php/silkroad/user/13555
Preferred trusted Drug Vendors
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PaperChasing - http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/index.php/silkroad/user/60105
Paperchasing Is a preferred vendor and normally stocks VERY high quality Coke, Heroin, Weed, and a variety of other products
Paperchasing is well regarded because he only stocks the HIGHEST quality products
godofall - http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/index.php/silkroad/user/37638/220
Godofall provides very high quality Coke and is a very fast shipper He is new and he has something to prove
Give him a chance and he shall not disappoint
Ivory - http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/index.php/silkroad/user/1473
Ivory is the BEST MDMA distributor in the UK (ships worldwide) he has the highest quality of MDMA most on sr have EVER seen
Ivory also usually stocks 2C-I
Pharmville - http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/index.php/silkroad/user/36712
Sells Oxycotons, Valium, and Percocet VERY trusted vendor
RapidImprovement - http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/index.php/silkroad/user/4320
offers medicinal lines of MXE to those in need. It did miracles for
his depression and now he's spreading the joy!
Preferred and trusted Bitcoin Vendors on SR (cash, MoneyPak, Westren Union)
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BTC Buddy - http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/index.php/silkroad/user/55402
Sugar Mama - http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/index.php/silkroad/user/87152
**note for your security if you decide to place order for MP > btc place multiple small order for bitcoin to ensure
your security Handing over MP to a user is like handing some one cash and can be risky we have had a instance in the past
were a trusted MP->btc has gone rouge so smaller transactions are wise to assure your financial security :)
Cheers,
Welcome Wagon
This message is not from silkroad nor does silkroad endorse this message this message is just some simple helpful tips from a veteran member to help you the
new user be able to smoothly transition into silk road and start making purchases
**Please cruise on over to the forums for vendor reviews and additional help or shoot me a reply and i shall be happy to try and help
Silk Road Forums can be found at - http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php
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Thanks for the answer warweed. Helps out a little bit. Keep up the good work with the digital items.
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Does SR have any problem with this? Does it violate any site rules?
Some self-advertising along with some useful information isn't bad. Do the recommended vendors pay you to list them? If they do, then your choices are certainly biased and may not represent the best vendors for new members.
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Sdsticky scammed me my buddy for bit coins is 6 for 6 and one thousand dollar transaction on holidays so far im 3/4 of legit this site still needs work.
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Wow did Suga Moma really scam you? She has a good rep here so I thought....
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Does SR have any problem with this? Does it violate any site rules?
Some self-advertising along with some useful information isn't bad. Do the recommended vendors pay you to list them? If they do, then your choices are certainly biased and may not represent the best vendors for new members.
No no one pays it was more just a experiment to see if it would improve sales by much I had an Idea were vendors could *purchase* credits to advertise to a set number of new users but to be honest I think welcome wagon is going to be abandoned as of right now it is currently down awaiting some conversation with SR more so out of respect
but yeah like I said welcome wagon was just a fun test :)
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Until further notice Welcome Wagon should be suspended. If anyone receives a message from it after today please message SR Support.
Peace,
DigitalAlch
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Good, it just takes away business from other members as far as I see it, nobody has the technical skill to create their own bots and at the end of the day ONE PERSON/VENDOR has control over a list of "reputable" vendor which is not only dangerous, corrupt and unfair.
r.e "Oh and I have every right to make money like the next person obviously im going to educate and make it a *bit* in my favor frankly bitcoins are going to pay for my wedding so I do what i have to do "
Just makes you sound like a dick, New members should rather be encouraged to use the forums + use feedback systems to make up their own mind, plus a lot of "legit" vendors can turn scammers, so if your pumping reccomendations to someone and they fuck over a customer for whatever reason (finalise early/out of escrow) that's blood on your hands...
...not to mention you not listing any other DECENT/REPUTABLE vendors for whatever reason you want be it: ignorance, forgetfulness or because the vendor has pissed you off in the past. Plus vendors trying to get on this list will have to bug/appease you.
on the plus side I like the warnings r.e finalising early and going out of escrow but other then that there's too much room for corruption/bias and turning away business from other legitimate vendors, I'm glad SR stepped in and hopefully they do their own version of the Welcome message.
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Indeed it is true I hadn't thought about it that way and you are right I actually spoke with SR in length about this
The info was helpful and I had alot of praise from alot of users in regards to this anyways to give you a break down of Welcome Wagon in the time that it ran it determined there were on average 437 new user registrations a day or roughly 19 new users a hour :) of those users 34% of them actually read the message within 20 min 67 within 24 hours and 73% within 72 hours with the remaining going unread of those users in the duration of running 32,342 Users were sent private messages of those 73% of the 32,342 users only 19% replied to the message of those 19% of users whom replied 98% of them were positive and asked for help or just wanted to thank me 2 % were already users i suspect and were just lik omg wtf ect ect
of those 73% of users in comparison to my personal sales only about 1% give or take were customers
and based of some other stats only about 6% of the users who were sent pm's were return visitors
Now this may be confusing for some of you but all this information is very freely available to *ANY* user im not some mystical magical person or anything and I had implementations in the script that slowed the script down so it was about as fast as the average user on silk road so that it didn't bog the site what so ever
Now with that said the vendors that were on that list were more or less filler I only has 2 requests from other vendors to be put on the list on of which was declined because he didn't meet my criteria of a reputable vendor and the other wasn't until today the vendors that were included on the list were vendors that were in the SILC chat now if more of the vendors would communicate in the SILC chat they would have the opportunity and Lastly
All respect intended dave I am kinda a dick but i have respect for SR
...not to mention you not listing any other DECENT/REPUTABLE vendors for whatever reason you want be it: ignorance, forgetfulness or because the vendor has pissed you off in the past. Plus vendors trying to get on this list will have to bug/appease you.
The vendors listed were those whom were in the silc chat at the time of the bot creation are were simply by chance and met my criteria
Just makes you sound like a dick, New members should rather be encouraged to use the forums + use feedback systems to make up their own mind, plus a lot of "legit" vendors can turn scammers, so if your pumping reccomendations to someone and they fuck over a customer for whatever reason (finalise early/out of escrow) that's blood on your hands...
I am a dick what can i say and they were encouraged to goto the forums did you read the message ?? like at all ? It is very very very clear and oriented into directing new users NOT to finalize early or out of escrow there is not blood on my hand and with that also said the message also states that MP->BTC conversion is dangerous but convenient and to protect your interests to do several small transactions over a period of time then to do one large one
Also SR didn't STEP IN all i would have to do is press enter and it would be running again SR just simply requested that i shut it down
To quote some resent conversations with SR (which are edited to remove a bit of sensitive data)
When welcome wagon was created by the way we had this quote in mind
"Regardless of your motivations, you are a revolutionary. Your actions are bringing satisfaction to those that have been oppressed for far too long. Take pride in what you do and stand tall. "
Anyways we hope you are not mad
Not mad at all, I applaud your initiative. I'll take some notes from your message and include them in the standard message that new members receive.
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removed security related convo
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please discontinue the welcome wagon automated messages. It's a good idea, but I've received messages from the competitors of the people you recommend in it and they are going to start spamming new members if you don't stop, so to avoid 10 messages showing up for new users we need all automated messaging to stop.
Anyways that's just a snippet it wasn't because SR was mad it was because a bunch of whiny little cry baby vendors didn't just *ASK* to be on the list thats all it would have taken honestly instead they had to cry and threaten and cry a bit more
Until further notice Welcome Wagon should be suspended. If anyone receives a message from it after today please message SR Support.
Peace,
DigitalAlch
And digital arch rather then going to take this to SR why didn't YOU approach ME about this thats what i find so hilarious NO ONE approached me with there concerns lol
it's actually really funny because i mean I have had about 30 people offer me alot of money for the script i won't say how much but it was substantial enough but you could tell it was mainly for malicious intent yet funny how no one else is running bots on SR
so think of that next time I have both SR's best interest and my best interest's in mind and that is clearly proven by the bots statistics to have worked you simply can no argue with the numbers
and if i get a digitally signed message by both SR and the forum admin I will gladly make the bot open source so others can build other stuff around the same idea :)
anyways that's my rant for tonight
-warweed
Oh yeah feel free to make fun of my one long sentence at this point should you feel it necessary
I preffer not to make it open source but the choice is ultimately up to the big guys the know the power it holds :)
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I feel it is only fair if you are going to be advertising yourself that you state YOU created the bot.
I still think using the excuse of building a reputation with digital purchases to advertise for yourself is misleading and sneaky, but as you said it is up to the owners to decide that.
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me