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Discussion => Off topic => Topic started by: moonbear on December 25, 2011, 03:14 pm
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I learn how to set up operating rooms, dress wounds and shit like that. I have straight A's and want to be a surgeon someday. I've also taken my fair share of hallucinogens, my favorite type of drug.
Is this wrong? My surgical conscience must know.
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It depends on your set of morals! I see hallucinogens especially as more of view changers / mind expanding rather than drugs.....
A personal buddy of mine went through college as a 4.0 student and a full time heroin addict. Just because you might do something "morally wrong" doesn't make you a bad person.
You make what you want out of yourself. If you're successful, then so be it! If you aren't blame yourself, not the drugs.
Take a chance to read Steve Jobs' biography. He noted himself he would've never been as successful as he became without LSD.
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Some of the most intelligent, deep thinkers I've ever met were heavy drug users... sometimes in ways I'd never dream. Everyone needs a different balance and they were still functional, pulling great grades and more often than not, using the drugs to better themselves.
You are the only person that can answer this question. Be safe, be responsible, don't lose yourself.
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if you're asking sounds like a part of you thinks it is. better sort that out, as doing what you think is wrong is a sure fire way to fuck up your head. whether it is or not is not something that can be answered on a forum.
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Drugs are not inherently bad. It's how you handle the responsibility of what's around you that defines who you are - not any simple substance.
Only you can decide if using would affect you in some moral way: would you go overboard and jeopardize a surgery, and therefore someone else's life? I'd say that was wrong. But if you've got a good head on your shoulders, what makes a shot of heroin any different from a cold beer, or driving your car too fast on the highway?
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Also, remember the difference between laws and morals. Don't get it twisted when a government thinks they know better about what you should and shouldn't put into your body. It's your body, your life, your choice.
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Thanks for the advice. I guess it really depends on if anyone has ever has persisting hallucinations. Does lsd really stay in your spine and cause hallucinations randomly? I've tried lsd and have not ever had persisting hallucinations after it wore off.
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A smart dude like you should know that's all a myth. Read, read and read before believing what you hear.
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Does lsd really stay in your spine and cause hallucinations randomly?
haha, I knew this myth to be popular around the time of the movie `Salt Lake City Punk` came out. There is a quote about that in the movie.
I wish I could crack my back and cause a hallucination sometimes!!
seriously though, my mind does feel different after multiple uses but different for the better (this may not be true for everyone, and my experiences weren't always what I was expecting or hoping but perhaps what needed to be experienced...). know what you're getting into and as KCKC said, read, read, read; take what you can from it. don't do it if it doesn't feel right.
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Thanks for the advice. I guess it really depends on if anyone has ever has persisting hallucinations. Does lsd really stay in your spine and cause hallucinations randomly? I've tried lsd and have not ever had persisting hallucinations after it wore off.
Hahaha, got a laugh at this one. It's a complete myth. Although some drugs do leave residue retained in the spinal cord/ brain, LSD is not one of them. Your body excretes lsd through pores and piss within hours.
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The question is really what do you feel? Are you happy with you choices and actions. They are a rather compendious way of exemplifying your personality, so when reflecting upon these thing, do you feel proud?
Personal I find that our consciousness is what allows us to perceive, but it is viewed through the ego (our personality, our wants, hopes, outlook, memories), and through this lens we see / experience our own personal reality. The dissolution of this reality through experience not limited and bound by normal sensory perception and the lens of the ego lends to an experience that is transcendental, allows us a comparison by which to judge our self, helps to understand thing in a way not so attached to our personal reality.
Peace,
DigitalAlch
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The question is really what do you feel? Are you happy with you choices and actions. They are a rather compendious way of exemplifying your personality, so when reflecting upon these thing, do you feel proud?
Personal I find that our consciousness is what allows us to perceive, but it is viewed through the ego (our personality, our wants, hopes, outlook, memories), and through this lens we see / experience our own personal reality. The dissolution of this reality through experience not limited and bound by normal sensory perception and the lens of the ego lends to an experience that is transcendental, allows us a comparison by which to judge our self, helps to understand thing in a way not so attached to our personal reality.
Peace,
DigitalAlch
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It is only morally wrong if you prescribe to a religion that is anti anything that would remove their customer base. Psychedelics, and anything else spiritual can pull people away from churches, and we can't have that.
Oh, and if you drive while high, then I consider that morally wrong because you're potentially putting other lives in danger.
Are you getting cold feet because I gave you some acid? ;D
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Morally wrong?
You weren't raised as a catholic btw?
The concept of "guilt" was exploited by many religions, hence the question.
Your true "self" already knows the answer to this question (if you can free yourself from any previously imprinted "moral standards").
It's quite obvious what things are morally wrong: exploiting people, killing (innocent) people, etc.
IMO, everybody knows these things by heart.
I don't see why trying to expand your consciousness could be morally wrong in any way. Especially for the exact scientist you hope to become one day.
It's not our rules and laws that dictate morality. It is your heart.
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While it is illegal, I don't think using drugs is morally wrong at all. We're told drugs are illegal because they're "dangerous" because they will "kill you or make you so crazy that you kill someone else". I don't think drinking alcohol is morally wrong, do you? Alcohol can kill you, alcohol can make you act upon things without thinking about them first, just like some drugs. Is smoking cigarettes morally wrong? Cigarettes can kill you, and they're highly addictive. I don't understand why it is considered by many people to be morally wrong to sit in your own house and smoke meth because you're addicted, but to sit in your own house and smoke cigarettes because you're addicted is totally different & justifiable. I just don't see the difference.
Just because the government tells you you should be ashamed of yourself & you're a bad person for doing something doesn't mean you should/are. I say go ahead and be the best damn surgeon you can be.
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Let your conscience be your guide.
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I'm a junior in high school taking surgical tech in a vocational school. I learn how to set up operating rooms, dress wounds and shit like that. I have straight A's and want to be a surgeon someday. I've also taken my fair share of hallucinogens, my favorite type of drug.
Is this wrong? My surgical conscience must know.
- would you not like to know and experience both sides ? don't let the system pigeon hole you into being a single person with narrow minded thought.
- you have bills to pay right..
- we are unfortunately trapped in a physical body trying to get out, don't deny yourself the opportunities to enhance someones life or experience.
- think of it as giving someone a chance to live to experience the next day.
:)
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Er....as long as your not on something that might cause you to mess up your surgical prepping I don't see the issues.
If you think about the amount of professionals, surgeons e.t.c that smoke and drink how is your habit for occasional usage of hallucinogenics any different?
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It is only morally wrong if you prescribe to a religion that is anti anything that would remove their customer base. Psychedelics, and anything else spiritual can pull people away from churches, and we can't have that.
Oh, and if you drive while high, then I consider that morally wrong because you're potentially putting other lives in danger.
Are you getting cold feet because I gave you some acid? ;D
No, I look forward to trying the lsd :) But I suppose that being surrounded by people who would shun me if they knew I did drugs, is getting to me. It's much like being in the closet. I wonder if anyone else on here ever feels that way.
I find all this advice very helpful. I've decided not to conform to society if it means giving up something important to my life, and hopefully others can learn from this thread as much as I did.
btw, to anyone who thought I was religious, I am actually agnostic.
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- learn to accept you are going to have to maintain 2 or more lives, which means lying to your boss and still following a dream.
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I suppose that being surrounded by people who would shun me if they knew I did drugs, is getting to me. It's much like being in the closet. I wonder if anyone else on here ever feels that way.
Oh, constantly. Not necessarily my peers, but members of my family would be devastated if they knew the things I do and have done. It's so frustrating too, because I know I'm not a bad person. I don't feel like I have done anything wrong (and I don't belong to any religion), but I know if they knew I was on drugs they would see me as the same garbage the rest of society would see me as. I wish I could say "You know, I've been high pretty much every time you've seen me for the past year and a half, and did you even notice? No, you didn't. I'm a functioning member of society, I have a job, I'm not a crook or a murderer, I'm a girl who uses drugs almost every day and I am a good person."
But most people just would not understand, especially with all the fear and lies that have been pumped into our society to keep drugs illegal.
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My view is that as long as your drug use doesn't affect or harm anybody else then it is morally acceptable. Once your drug use has even the possibility to cause harm then I believe it is wrong to engage in it.
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- parents / family aren't as dumb as you might think, at some point they work out what you're up to...so my best advise is watch what you say and take it as it comes..
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But I suppose that being surrounded by people who would shun me if they knew I did drugs, is getting to me. It's much like being in the closet. I wonder if anyone else on here ever feels that way.
My whole entire high school years consisted of this. Once you're on your own no one really gives a shit.
Just don't die. Stay safe, stay sharp. You're good to go :)
Take it from one who within their first year of doing drugs had went from weed to heroin in 8 months.
Just take it easy and slow if you're experimental. Don't let anything consume you. Let the drugs help your mind expand. Don't help the drugs expand on your mind :P It's the latter that causes addiction and destruction to yourself and others.
-DF
drugfather
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No, I look forward to trying the lsd :) But I suppose that being surrounded by people who would shun me if they knew I did drugs, is getting to me. It's much like being in the closet. I wonder if anyone else on here ever feels that way.
It's been my experience that drug use is a lot more common than the government or the media or whatever might have you believe. Growing up, I bought into all that "just say no" anti-everything propaganda - y'know, only "bad people" do drugs. But then one summer I got curious, ate a hit of MDMA, and then somehow folks that I had known for years and never suspected anything about were telling me about their experiences with XYZ.
So, yeah, there might be people that wouldn't accept your choices, if they knew about them, but there may well be just as many, if not more, that have their own experiences that they'd be willing to share. The trick is knowing when to open that can of worms with someone and when to keep your mouth shut. :-)
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As far as using psychedelics as a surgeon go, I say you will be fine. The key thing is keeping your private LSD-usage out of the professional work place. You by all means can think about, but don't bring it up in conversation at work or in a professional setting like in a discussion with a professor. You can get into some sticky situations if you do.
Now OUTSIDE the work place and professional world, i would say the exact opposite. If your friends can't accept that you safely use psychedelics, and will actually look down on you for that, then those are probably people you don't want to be friends with.
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I'd say it's not morally wrong unless you're tripping while performing a surgery or something of the likes :p