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Discussion => Silk Road discussion => Topic started by: RapidImprovement on August 29, 2011, 06:41 am
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SR should seriously consider making a secondary site that is invite only. SR is to easily accessible and scammer cloning would be cut down quite a bit. Just a thought.
Also, anybody have any success on TFM?
obviously SR is superior but I've been hearing good things along the Ketamine/PCP department :P
-RI
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What makes you think there isn't already one ;) ?
Seriously though, good sellers go bad (see Goldismoney, user number 55 ffs). He'd have been in the invite only site based on his longevity and feedback, and once there, he'd have been able to scam harder and better towards the end.
A combination of common sense, studying feedback and reading this forum is everything I've needed to make I think about 10 completely successful purchases. Sellers need a constant supply of buyers to maintain their customer base and grow their businesses, and now they know a bit about buyers, they're able to refuse customers or impose restrictions on them based on their previous behaviours.
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What makes you think there isn't already one ;) ?
Touche :P
Touche as well about the goldismoney.
I still think it would cut the jackassery in half.
-RI
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What makes you think there isn't already one ;) ?
Touche :P
Touche as well about the goldismoney.
I still think it would cut the jackassery in half.
-RI
+1 it's a difficult one. jackassery and asshattery is not acceptable by any means here.
invite-only should grandfather in ONLY 98-100% rated sellers/buyers. Anyone with lower than an 85 shouldn't be on SR anyway.
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I don't want to put words in peoples mouths but I believe SRs philosophy is to make drugs available to those who can't get it. By having an invite only site, we would not accomplish that goal.
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L75, agreed! ;)
Oracle, there will still be an SR, just not an SR where pimping dealers like Lysander make me order a measily 3 grams of k to build a rep when I want a half oz. Even if it is just for the "bulk" price cut.
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im completely with you on this one,
seems like it would make a lot of sense, would feel a hell of a lot safer for big transactions and such.
and there could still be the normal ol silk road, but then there would be the extra special VIP type lounge for all the respected and trusted vendors and buyers ;)
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Here, here! fully support!
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Silk Road VIP...sounds good.
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nomadbloodbath
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Silk Road VIP...sounds good.
:D
nomadbloodbath
+1 I'm with it.
lets clean this filthy house.
L75
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pimping dealers like Lysander make me order a measily 3 grams of k to build a rep when I want a half oz.
Go easy on LysanderSpooner. From reading about him on these very forums I know that he got burned for a large amount by accepting exactly the type of deal you're asking for and it's to his credit that he sucked it up and is still here. I have dealt with him and rate him as a good seller.
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As long as I'm invited, no problemo! ;)
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I kinda agree, but I dont like and kind of "elite". I just want to buy LSD and weed in SR, not being part of a semi-mason club..
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a private area of the forum would be awesome!!! If only I would be invited that is :) :-[
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I'm seriously digging this idea! You could have certain criteria for entry to ensure the most trustworthy and legitimate users are eligible to join..... 8) Silk Road VIP 8)
ENTERTHEMATRIX
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A private area of the forum would be nice.
Peace,
DigitalAlch
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+1 on that^^
also tbh I have never ever seen the same questions posted in so many different threads...like for example 'Whats the best way to get bitcoins?' ::) on a forum before.
I think that maybe an area where posters under 20 posts can ONLY post there and if nobody answers them, maybe they might search for it ;)
I have been thinking about this 2nd SR/VIP/invite only and I think its already happening with trusted sellers settling outside escrow for buyers under 3 or whatever rating. Personally I think it will get to the stage where vendors will only sell in escrow with previous proven customers no matter the rating. As a buyer rating can be built buying cheap ebooks and such.
Each seller has their own right to offer this invite to buyers. 'Im happy to sell to you if you're happy to pay for it now'. It works...kind of like your own little invite system tailor made to suit each transaction without getting too complicated
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much of the ass-hattery on the forums is the usual shit you have to deal with on any board -
notably the flood of same questions asked over and over, and over.
I think most of the early adopters of SR would be hugely in favor of this,
and of course there would still be the 'open' SR, so there should be no worry about cutting out new potential customers.
could make things a little nicer for the proven.
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I think this is a great idea, just be sure to make it clear what the criteria for becoming a "VIP" member is.
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+1 on the private forum
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Great idea, what criteria would be required for admission?
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so if you don't get invited to the 'clubhouse' does that mean you will be open to spamming & scamming with no protection?
why not just be more vigilant under the current system rather than fragmenting it further?
i like to think i can just slide on over to SR, grab me some product, and not be caught up in social politics.
if the repeated newbie questions are something that is causing this rift then why not restrict new users to a 'newbie forum' until they sort themselves out? and get some more step-by-step FAQs for the issues that are confusing for a first timer.
i guess what I am worried about is that the really legit sellers will all move to a VIP section leaving either scammers or less-than-careful sellers for the 'rest of us'? surely this can't be a good thing?
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i want an invite :)
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so if you don't get invited to the 'clubhouse' does that mean you will be open to spamming & scamming with no protection?
i guess what I am worried about is that the really legit sellers will all move to a VIP section leaving either scammers or less-than-careful sellers for the 'rest of us'? surely this can't be a good thing?
There will be minimum scamming for anyone if I can help it.
:D
nomad bloodbath
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so if you don't get invited to the 'clubhouse' does that mean you will be open to spamming & scamming with no protection?
why not just be more vigilant under the current system rather than fragmenting it further?
i like to think i can just slide on over to SR, grab me some product, and not be caught up in social politics.
if the repeated newbie questions are something that is causing this rift then why not restrict new users to a 'newbie forum' until they sort themselves out? and get some more step-by-step FAQs for the issues that are confusing for a first timer.
i guess what I am worried about is that the really legit sellers will all move to a VIP section leaving either scammers or less-than-careful sellers for the 'rest of us'? surely this can't be a good thing?
But if the sellers are in the VIP session, doesn't mean that they wont sell to the rest. It means that they have a special market that they can really trust, and make special offers, etc. For us buyers, we can buy outside escrow, we can trust that the package will arrive, and if something goes wrong, isn't the buyer or the seller's fault.
Creating a VIP space is an nice idea, since new members will have to wait and show themself's trustworthy to enter the VIP. It's not a new SR, but an better space for the honest people.
My critic is that in the long term the VIP lounge will become an elite of SR, with all the decision power. If one has to be created, please think in the long/ short term.
Peace and Love
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I'm for a VIP area, if done right. An invite only SR and private board will allow for serious buyers and sellers to interact in a much easier fashion. I would love to have an area for experienced members to interact. Reduce spamming, theifs and scams. Reduce the dependency on the escrow system. It could also allow for larger transactions and a lot more security which is a huge plus.
There is the issue of fragmentation though which would effect the normal silk road to the point where we could be limiting newcomers and growth. If new sellers came on board and only could deal with new buyers and vice versa that could result in alot of disappointed newcomers. Without alot of experienced users to guide them this could be counter productive as they could potently become jaded and turn away to other services.
Maybe we can allow sellers to choose to be visible to buyers with a certain amount of history, transaction or account length. Or allowing buyers to better filter sellers.
Potentially have a few forums only open to users with a certain number of posts or account age.
If its done there would need to be a way to allow continued interaction between veterans and new members.
I think this is a great idea if it is done right.
We just need to protect against negative growth of SR as it would only be counter productive to the ultimate goal of what we are all trying to accomplish.
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I for one would appreciate a couple additional levels of exclusivity. I love that SR is open and free and I know that I'd never have gotten here if it were otherwise, but I as a seller who now has more business than he can handle, having a buffer or two between me and joe shmo (or some DEA agent as the case may be) is an exciting thought indeed.
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ive grown out of private forums,they are just a load of wank. they are dead boring.you will still cruise here and topix(the drug capital),thats how shit it will be.
and fuck this collecting of trustworthy members business,you will never really know who is behind each members computer,theres no technique you can implement to really know who is what.
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While the thought of a VIP area is interesting, IMO it would be unfair to newer buyers and those of us who only buy on occasion and more "off the radar".
I dunno, defeats the purpose of a total free market from my perspective. Also, SR could stand to lose a lot of business and popularity... and therefore a lot of money.
I probably wouldn't buy here anymore if I wasn't part of the "Silk Road Elite", you know?
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While the thought of a VIP area is interesting, IMO it would be unfair to newer buyers and those of us who only buy on occasion and more "off the radar".
I dunno, defeats the purpose of a total free market from my perspective. Also, SR could stand to lose a lot of business and popularity... and therefore a lot of money.
I probably wouldn't buy here anymore if I wasn't part of the "Silk Road Elite", you know?
It's not 'unfair' to anyone. The main SR site/forum doesn't lose anything, it just makes things more convenient for 'trusted/proven' members (yes I realize the limits on the scope of this "trust").
SR would not lose any business or popularity or money, the laws of supply and demand are not hindered in anyway, I highly doubt that anyone would stop buying here just because they didn't make it into the "cool club" The only reason to stop shopping here is if one found a better alternative or decided the service was no longer desirable and I fail to see how imposing an exclusive aspect to SR would make this happen.
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Yeah, thats one hell of a good idea. Im very proud of my perfect buyers stats and would appreciate any bonus i get from my straight dealing with any orders on SR.
Even a special forum would be nice, to discuss stuff without those morons asking the same sh*t over and over again.
+1 great idea
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ive grown out of private forums,they are just a load of wank.
Well said. I can guess they will keep the honest people out, because they don't know how to get an invite -- and let all the scammers in because they know how to bypass the system by trading in invites. You can't ban people by IP because we all share TOR ip space, so how do you intend to keep the banned scammers from buying their way in? Unless its a really small select few who are in, its a hard fight. In the case that it is a select few only, why ask for approval? Best go and start a site right now, and buy and sell to each other.
Efforts would be much better spent in hardening the SR which already is in place. Make the system more bulletproof by addressing the concerns of the current system.. which by the way are? After reading this thread it seems the concerns are about keeping scammers out. Would it not be better to weaken the efforts of the scammers at the front line? To be clear, what is the specific weakness of the current system? Sellers who build rep slowly, then pull a large heist and run with the money? A solution to this can be to show stats on the seller such as amount of BTC traded and average trade size. Expose as much data as possible about new sellers. Maybe when a seller reaches Power Seller status (yes borrow some ideas from ebay where possible) then he has some more privacy.
I say, its not a great idea to go invite only in attempt to run away from a problem on the open site -- rather brainstorm and address the issues first. Only when all avenues have been exhausted is a more private setting necessary. By all means, go and create a new site.. I'm sure quite a few will pop-up and succeed, just a private torrent sites eventually took focus from mininova etc. Comparing to torrent sites is chalk and cheese though, considering the different models of business.
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I've got to disagree with 2-tier system on principle. Automated ranking is all well and good but when people are in charge of what criteria make one person better than another it always goes bad.
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One certain algorithms are tightened. This place has the potential to become as big as Ebay!
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8)
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If scamming happens in SR there will be scammers in SR VIP also. Don't be naive.
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Doesn't seem like an invite only system is in-line with what SR is. An open market place. Not a special club...
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i love how people will respond without fully reading the thread sometimes.
absolutely NOTHING would happen to the regular Silk Road, it will be the same place you been coming to for who knows how many times.
then there will be a place for certain people, who either do a lot of business on the silk road, or just spend a lot of money.
all the respected buyers and sellers could do business in a different place that is invite only for bigger/safer exchanges.
i dont see anything wrong with this. i doubt sellers would stop selling on the regular SR. there is too much demand.
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i love how people will respond without fully reading the thread sometimes.
I know right?
absolutely NOTHING would happen to the regular Silk Road, it will be the same place you been coming to for who knows how many times.
then there will be a place for certain people, who either do a lot of business on the silk road, or just spend a lot of money.
all the respected buyers and sellers could do business in a different place that is invite only for bigger/safer exchanges.
i dont see anything wrong with this. i doubt sellers would stop selling on the regular SR. there is too much demand.
EXACTLY.
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I would only support this if we faced an obvious threat of infiltration by LE.
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Sounds good, but I think there should be only "Official sellers" on the separate forum meaning only the serious sellers are the ones you buy from. It should be up to the most trusted member of the forum on who sells cause of LE.
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hey guys im new to all of this but i feel like if you make a invite only or a vip section then nobody will buy or sell on the original SR because everyone will know they will mostlikely get ripped off or bad quality whatever they buy since the respected buyers/sellers are in the vip/invite only section
also for somebody to be invited in, they would have to buy/sell and get enough feed back to be trusted but they wouldnt want to buy or sell on the untrusted version of SR
nice to meet all of you btw
SR just opened up my world and im gonna have so much fun
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exclusiveness has the potential to leave stigmata on people, who are not "in". wether or not it's the case, people will question the quality they'll get in the normal market or part, people get jealous and suspicious. they might feel excluded etc.
exclusiveness is often used to establish two-class societies, which in most cases is a bad thing.
however, the concept of exclusiveness has a lot of capabilities and if done well and with the right tact it could definately improve the silk road enviroment.
but one requirement is needed:
everyone should have the possibility to get in.
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Fuck the elite. I'll never join an invite-only club. I like it in the ghetto anyways.
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What happens to those of us who do a lot of out of escrow buys and dont get the traditional sales ratings? I have been on this site for 10 days and spent $1300 out of escrow yet none of it shows on my "buyers stats". I would think I am a great customer but would I be invited? I think its a bad idea.
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Seriously .... No, no, no, and no.
The whole idea of Silk Road is that it *ISN'T* invite only. There are other places and forums that are invite only that neither you or I know about or are involved in, even though we may be reputable and stand up folk, we just don't happen to know the people who are involved in the forums. Thus we can't be verified. Thus we aren't invited.
The thing I love about Silk Road is that it is open to all. Anybody can join. That's the idea. It's free and open access.
Plus there is no need for invite only forums when using bitcoin.
If you can have it open like this, and it doesn't get busted, then why make it private?
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Seriously .... No, no, no, and no.
The whole idea of Silk Road is that it *ISN'T* invite only. There are other places and forums that are invite only that neither you or I know about or are involved in, even though we may be reputable and stand up folk, we just don't happen to know the people who are involved in the forums. Thus we can't be verified. Thus we aren't invited.
The thing I love about Silk Road is that it is open to all. Anybody can join. That's the idea. It's free and open access.
Plus there is no need for invite only forums when using bitcoin.
If you can have it open like this, and it doesn't get busted, then why make it private?
dude seriously??
youre like the 5th person in this thread to post and not have read one damn comment.
i mean, i try to be nice around here but that is just ignorance!! read at least SOME of it.
were not talking about completely pulling SR from being an open market. this is talking about making a place for more SERIOUS buyers and selllers. nothing would happen to the regular silk road. i mean honestly, people act like the sellers and buyers are trying to cut off new customers and potential sellers. UH NO, that would be stupid.
is it really that bad to want a more secure place to make big transactions, say 500$ plus?
nobody would stop using the regular silk road, as that would have way more stuff on it.
so before more people get their panties in a bunch about this idea, please take your time to read this thread.
:)
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just do it and shut the fuck up.
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just do it and shut the fuck up.
QFT.
"But you didn't read the thread properly!!!!" OMG who cares.
If its a sub-forum, sub-section, different sites, same site.. its all the same. The big fail of this thread is lame excuses for a private setting. "So I can spend $500". C'mon, be honest.
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people are so quick to get upset they dont even think.
yes everyone, dont read the thread "properly" and post your outraged opinions that really dont make sense since were not talking about making the silk road private. we are talking about adding a private section.
if you people love to get butthurt, go buy a large dildo instead of bitching on the forums lol
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people are so quick to get upset they dont even think.
says the upset.
yes everyone, dont read the thread "properly"
Says the one who doesn't read.
love to get butthurt
Says the....
Time for your chill-pill, me thinks.
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I was just having this discussion via pm with a established seller, whom I wont name lol, and their idea was fabulous:
Implement a VIB system (very important buyer) that you become once you have been invited by three sellers based on a decent history of purchases perhaps totalling a certain amount bitcoin wise so this cannot be done buying a few cheap ebooks, etc.. Thing is, instead of a "private" secondary board, its all here BUT theres TWO prices: one for unproven potentally drama buyers (like the prices now) and one for VIB's that takes into consideration your consistant reliable non-drama creating purchases. This not only would encourage good behavior from buyers but would also reduce the cost of purchases so everyone can get ahead. Obviously a basement mushroom grower could offer a cheaper discount than a script reseller, so it would be up to the sellers as to the discount. Then, once a VIB buyer base is established.a.VIS ranking could be derrived from the VIB's recommending them from their experiences. Not perfect but open and encouraging to buyers and sellers alike.
Its my understanding that theres a buncha buyer scams going on, which I will not elaborate on, that is causing the sellers to have to mark up as much as 20% to cover their BS. Several variations of these nickel and dime schemes are in play and I totally see how they would get over on sellers because of the
sheer cleverness and the overall trouble it would be to call these scumbag buyers out. Sellers, you can back me up on this if you feel me lol... Seriously though a few bad apples are stinking up the whole basket and closing the Road to new people sucks, hell I just found it myself and I'm straight up, no drama all business no games lets just get paid consistantly year after year playa...
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Hell, closing the road would have only PRECLUDED me from becoming a member and still INCLUDED all of the scumbags already here scamming sellers AND buyers.
This dang advanced computer stuff is not the strong suit of most (90% or more) super connected people (ummm newsflash - computers not really a big part of columbian cartel or la familia training) and some computer genius has too tell us... What you think the "king if new york" is reading "Wired" in their pastime?? lol... This just starting too jump off now, closing it would be rediculous, we gonna use this idea... Silk Road or FreeHost... We love this opening of the international market! And what great media exposure you already have attracting new buyers and sellers everyday... SR deserves their cut is where I stand, but lets keep it open or its limited. Wayyy too limited.
Course thats just my opinion lol..
Think about it. Now thats as real as penitentiary steel...
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@paperchasing
you are exactly right. you understand the main concern of most sellers.
it is refreshing to hear your opinion.
so many trolls on the forums lately... >:( thank got there are some sensible folk out there
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Paper chasing, Great idea!
Californeeya, It's these new punk ass members who think they know shit. Oh well, they won't get in on my group buys and super deals.
That's right, I just talked my very first smack on this forum.
GET BUTTHURT.
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Thanks for the support however I do want to reiterate that this was not my idea but rather one that was pointed out to me by established seller when we were discussing the problem of scammers in general here.... Props goes to seller X, you know who you are...
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I was just reading another thread about this topic... I tried to see the perspective of the poster but all I got was the feeling that this poster was LE trying to close off access to this site by hyping up privatizing it because they cant figure out how to stop it otherwise.
Of course stopping new buyers and new sellers from joining the most successful open anonymous market would be the DEA's most clever move at this point, dont you think?
Paper
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Oh yeh, imagine how much easier the DEA's job will be if they only have to try to track down the current sellers too... !! More sellers = more divided taskforce.
God almighty people, THINK!
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I was just reading another thread about this topic... I tried to see the perspective of the poster but all I got was the feeling that this poster was LE trying to close off access to this site by hyping up privatizing it because they cant figure out how to stop it otherwise
Yes! I thought I was the only one to think it.. good on you for mentioning that. That would be an easy win for them. Its more than just LE I think. Joe Rogan explains it well (on youtube) -- corporate capitalism etc.
I can also see the frustration of Cali and Rapid.. I think the thread title is throwing people off due to it saying "invite only SR", even though the OP explains it differently. Good to see some awesome discussion in here.
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I was just reading another thread about this topic... I tried to see the perspective of the poster but all I got was the feeling that this poster was LE trying to close off access to this site
If we're talking about same poster, he's started a new thread, saying: "I just read some where that silk road is now taken over by the feds".. its like, c'mon, who says that.
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no invite only. it would defeat the purpose. there are dozens of private boards around, they aren't great and there is no reason to make SR something similar or even put efforts into setting up such a private thing.
much love
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If we're talking about same poster, he's started a new thread, saying: "I just read some where that silk road is now taken over by the feds".. its like, c'mon, who says that.
Yep, I think we are talking about the same poster.. Exposure does tend to cause outragus behavior!
*** AND @californeeya and @rapid -i definatly got the feeling ya'll are straight up and are just trying to find a way to improve SR, sorry I didnt clarify that my post was NOT directed at ya'll!!
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This would be a great idea for those members looking to do large scale order with more security.
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I guess this thread is pretty pointless. The people who are opposed to the idea wouldn't be invited anyway, so I don't know why we would discuss it in front of them.
We need to just make it happen. I've got a couple things in the works, if you're interested in helping (i.e. you actually have some experience in this area) PM me.
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The people who are opposed to the idea wouldn't be invited anyway
"Fascists seek to purge forces, ideas, people, and systems deemed to be the cause of decadence and degeneration" en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism
In other words, they're massively insecure personality types.
Disagreement, discourse, debate -- these are the building blocks for brilliant ideas. The best way to fill your community with degenerates is to only accumulate people who claim to accept your notions unquestionably.
People are just unclear when they come to this thread. The thread title is "Invite only SR / Farmers Market", but the discussion is about a separate entity... so people aren't yet agreeing or disagreeing on the same topic yet. Both the "yes" and "no" voters are as equally valuable to a private or public setting as each other. The yes or the no doesn't make the person, but more the reasons behind their choice.
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Hey Lexus,
Did you know there are TWO farmers markets?
A PUBLIC one
AND
one that requires authentication.
GET OFF MY CYBER LAWN. (quote stolen from Lasagna I think...)
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@LexusMiles- No one is trying to close the public forums and there is no need to start throwing around insults like "Facist" and "Insecure".
Although as a Vender here, I think I have reasonable cause to be "insecure". There is a very powerful and well-funded organization out there who's sole purpose is to hunt people like me down and throw us in prison for the rest of our lives. So please excuse me for trying to establish a more "secure" environment in which to conduct my business.
I'm not trying to make anyone feel left out or not valued, but I am the one who gets to decide who I conduct business with, and my decisions revolve around my welfare. Forgive me if a whole lot of other people don't enter into the equation.
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Hey Lexus,
Did you know there are TWO farmers markets?
A PUBLIC one
AND
one that requires authentication.
GET OFF MY CYBER LAWN. (quote stolen from Lasagna I think...)
yes thank you!!
this is why i keep telling people to read the freaking thread and then i get smart ass responses.
quit acting like its the end of the world people, rook made a good point by stating that those who are against it wouldnt be invited anyway.
this thread is pretty much pointless as people will keep posting in it without even reading it or trying to understand the reasons for us wanting this.
@LexusMiles- No one is trying to close the public forums and there is no need to start throwing around insults like "Facist" and "Insecure".
Although as a Vender here, I think I have reasonable cause to be "insecure". There is a very powerful and well-funded organization out there who's sole purpose is to hunt people like me down and throw us in prison for the rest of our lives. So please excuse me for trying to establish a more "secure" environment in which to conduct my business.
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THIS
the buyers feel too comfortable purchasing things, as they take little to no risk but us sellers live in paranoia most of the time. and before all the buyers start chiming in telling me they take just as much risk, im going to call bullshit. unless you are a sloppy buyer, you will never go to jail. period.
its the sellers they want. we are like the prize catch. it is why so many of us lose sleep at night.
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You've caught my attention, and I yours. No denying that. As for one thing I agree to this: Without sellers, this community is nothing. Without the central-ops, this community is nothing. Without the buyers... well, there will always be buyers.
To me, the important aspect of a private setting is that the strong players stay connected. More about central-ops and networking than actual buying or selling.
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If the sellers are feeling insecure on the front line, then there is something wrong with the system or something wrong with the seller ( such as the way the seller perceives the system).
Here's a question for you........
How will a private setting affect daily life for any given hypothetical seller?
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If the sellers are feeling insecure on the front line, then there is something wrong with the system or something wrong with the seller ( such as the way the seller perceives the system).
Here's a question for you........
How will a private setting affect daily life for any given hypothetical seller?
The best way to stay safe when you're against organizations like the DEA/FBI/CIA is to stay off their radar or to be too small to bother with. The only reason SR has lasted this long is because it falls into the category of the latter. I don't think it will stay there for long, nor do I plan on staying too small for long. I have ambitions, as do most business people, and for people like me SR is too big a blip on the government radar to be associating with forever.
like Cali said, small fries will be fine as long as they aren't utterly retarded, but the bigger you get the softer you have to walk. SR is simply getting too big not to make noise.
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Essentially you're saying the open system is not sustainable long term for all players, especially the larger ones. If/when a tornado sweeps through and transforms the fruitful jungle into a desert wasteland.. you want to watch from a safe place, in the presence of your clan. Nothing that's not admirable about that to be honest.
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Lexus,
Have fun in jail ;D
But seriously, there are SO many things wrong with your statement.
WHAT the hell is admirable about getting busted?
WHAT the HELL is admirable about not having a back up plan?
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You basically decide if you want it sanctioned by SR officially or not, then proceed. Form leadership, recruit admins + devs. You still invite the ones who voted against it -- for one, they're loyal. To tell people they won't be invited if they don't support it from *now* on... its forcing the hand a little, and you will get agreement, simply because people don't want to be left out...
I like the route you are taking now (rook I mean) by explaining it in a way that will win genuine support, not the shallow "i don't wanna be left out" support.
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Rapid back off a little. My statement is saying rook's plan is admirable. I understand if you read it wrong, but please don't lose it like that with all the "WHAT the HELL" business.
Yes I said some things to rook that were not cool earlier, and rook has been kind enough to open a fresh dialog.. lets roll with that please.
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Why can't an open system be sustainable long-term? It seems like general consensus around here that shit is going to hit the fan some day (sooner or later) and SR is going to be busted...
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What if there is already a private site and none of you were invited? would that make you sad?
the fact is that there are already plenty of private sited, and many here on SR are members of them. the way they stay private is by not being listed, or really even talked about on PUBLIC boards, why would a private SR site be any different?
If you are dealing with someone on here who is a member of a private board, chances are that when they feel comfortable enough with you, they will invite you/ vouch for you on something private.
I guess what I am trying to say is, Silk Road was made to be public. It should stay public. There are already private sites out there. Maybe one already exists that is based on/ run by the same people. Patience is a virtue, you cant go from some unknown guy to "made" over night. If you have outgrown the public board and not been invited to at least one private one, your not talking to the right folks, or your doing something wrong.
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If you are dealing with someone on here who is a member of a private board, chances are that when they feel comfortable enough with you, they will invite you/ vouch for you on something private.
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If you have outgrown the public board and not been invited to at least one private one, your not talking to the right folks, or your doing something wrong.
Does this mean I should take the time to send more messages to my vendors? I've only had one transaction that required more communication than me sending my address (because it took longer than expected to arrive). I've been assuming vendors would rather keep it simple than have their inbox filled with unnecessary messages, but if that's what it takes to get an invite to a private board I guess that's what I'll start doing. Not that I've been here long enough to get invited yet, but I don't want to miss out on an opportunity.
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If you are dealing with someone on here who is a member of a private board, chances are that when they feel comfortable enough with you, they will invite you/ vouch for you on something private.
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If you have outgrown the public board and not been invited to at least one private one, your not talking to the right folks, or your doing something wrong.
Does this mean I should take the time to send more messages to my vendors? I've only had one transaction that required more communication than me sending my address (because it took longer than expected to arrive). I've been assuming vendors would rather keep it simple than have their inbox filled with unnecessary messages, but if that's what it takes to get an invite to a private board I guess that's what I'll start doing. Not that I've been here long enough to get invited yet, but I don't want to miss out on an opportunity.
I'm not saying pester the vendors here with chatty BS, but most vendors here (at least the good ones) are here on the forums. if you are active with them, and they find that you are a like minded individual who can be trusted, they MIGHT extend you an invite. if you read that as "PM all vendors asking to be invited to private boards", you have no business on those private boards to begin with.
more to the point though, the Private boards discussion is one that shouldn't be harped on, they exist, good people are there, there are good people HERE also, the main difference is that they limit membership to people who already have a good idea of how all this works, and as such, they are more about the business, and less about everything else that gets talked about on public boards.
also, the comment about outgrowing public boards was a bit of a joke, My opinion is that more people grow IN to a public board than out of them. if your supply is steady and high quality, security is handled, shipping methods are tight, sell to the public...hell sell to the DEA, its just more money in your pocket, and unlike IRL, as long as your shit is straight, you can supply the cops with all sorts of goodies, and it doesn't really matter, because you've taken every precaution to keep your shit untraceable. just never fall into the lazy state of mind that certain a vendor from the other big public board fell in to, and think you don't need to keep on the move.
I'm rambling, so I'll cut it off there
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if you read that as "PM all vendors asking to be invited to private boards", you have no business on those private boards to begin with.
Of course not, I was just talking about a few inquiries or something, not asking directly. Just something so that they may remember me. As of right now I really doubt any of my vendors (except maybe one) even remember my name. I guess I'm just trying to have some backup plans in place in case SR goes down, which is looking more and more likely with the security situation as it is.
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I'm surprised no one here thought of the biggest hole in this idea.
Lets say there was a separate SR. Presumably, the only ones with access would be the best people on SR, the people we all buy from, whom are trustworthy and work hard to send their product out to everyone. These people, the ones that make SR what it is, would then all be functioning on a different server/system.
Wouldn't that be a giant beacon of hope for LE? To take down one server with all of the largest sellers? Don't think SR is too secure for that. There are always flaws. There have been many LE agents who have infiltrated much more secure organizations, IRL. This section would become the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.
You would then be left with a regular SR full of scammers and mediocre sellers. Not that more wouldn't emerge. This idea would pose a huge security risk, IMO.
Not to mention in order to divert the constant attacks and infiltration attempts, a large part of SR would be busy with SRVIP and not SR. This would be totally lopsided since the larger service load would be on regular SR
Please understand that I am no omniscient nor do i have an intimate understanding of how most of these things work. Just a newbie giving his two cents.
Peace.
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interesting point.
another thing is, that it's not in any interest of SR to let this idea be realized.
but good luck to everyone, who's on the same boat as rook f.e.
i completely understand the motivations.
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A private area of the forum would be nice.
Peace,
DigitalAlch
The only thing which would concern me is that people might let their guard down in a "private" area. They would assume that the private area was "safe" and be less discreet than they might be in a "public" forum.
It's a given that LE reads the SR forum. It would be equally a given that any private forum would contain one or more LEOs. What standard of "trusted" are you going to go by? The number of purchases? That wouldn't stop a DEA agent who was researching the Road by buying various quantities of stuff and examining the packaging closely. The fact that a participant has been on this forum a long time? That wouldn't stop an LEO who took on SR as an ongoing project. Because some site moderator is convinced X could never be a cop? Nobody ever thinks that guy could be an undercover cop until the cuffs are on: a good undercover operative is going to bend over backwards to appear stable and trustworthy.
For that matter, any "trusted" member can become a valuable asset to the prosecution once they get busted. That guy you're sharing your Paypal address with as you discuss your next big Ecstasy purchase might have been popped for offline activities last week. For all you know they've cut a deal and the federales are listening in on your every word. (Ask Justin "W00t/Dirk Diggler" Scroggins about this).
Sorry, but the Grand Wizard gives a thumbs down to the idea of private/VIP forums or markets. They serve no useful purpose and can bring more trouble than they're worth.
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Yea, SR should stay open. A private forum for SR might be acceptable.
But if there was a VIP area of the road I think all it would do is hurt the economy by making it so trusted members would look there first for product from people they've done business with before. If too many people do this it will make it difficult for new vendors to get a flow going, then we all get access to less drugs :(
I am curious about the private forums mentioned above that people order off (*hint, if anybody's on one and has done enough business with me to know that I am a man of my word**), but they scare the shit out of me. I don't think I'd use them until SR goes down, but it would be nice to have another backup plan...
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The only way to over throw the elites is to become an elite.
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IF there was an "elite" section for people, as I think has already been covered, the worst thing for such an area would be to announce it publicly on the forums.
haivng said that there should definitely never been some elitist sect that meets in secret somewhere else. Yep. definitely nowhere else for LEs to look but here.
Peace
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IF there was an "elite" section for people, as I think has already been covered, the worst thing for such an area would be to announce it publicly on the forums.
haivng said that there should definitely never been some elitist sect that meets in secret somewhere else. Yep. definitely nowhere else for LEs to look but here.
Peace
Aha..
It's called the "Round Table" or what ever...
AKA
The Vendor's Forums. :P
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This already exist, it's called the private scene. It's where you will find the majority of sr's vendors suppliers.
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Well damn. I guess now errybody knows about the secret secret underground undergound lair (lair?). I'm just gonna stay out here with the common folks. Not cuz I don't have access, because I just...umm...I'm too cool.
Yeah. Carry on.
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A private area of the forum would be nice.
Peace,
DigitalAlch
The only thing which would concern me is that people might let their guard down in a "private" area. They would assume that the private area was "safe" and be less discreet than they might be in a "public" forum.
It's a given that LE reads the SR forum. It would be equally a given that any private forum would contain one or more LEOs. What standard of "trusted" are you going to go by? The number of purchases? That wouldn't stop a DEA agent who was researching the Road by buying various quantities of stuff and examining the packaging closely. The fact that a participant has been on this forum a long time? That wouldn't stop an LEO who took on SR as an ongoing project. Because some site moderator is convinced X could never be a cop? Nobody ever thinks that guy could be an undercover cop until the cuffs are on: a good undercover operative is going to bend over backwards to appear stable and trustworthy.
For that matter, any "trusted" member can become a valuable asset to the prosecution once they get busted. That guy you're sharing your Paypal address with as you discuss your next big Ecstasy purchase might have been popped for offline activities last week. For all you know they've cut a deal and the federales are listening in on your every word. (Ask Justin "W00t/Dirk Diggler" Scroggins about this).
Sorry, but the Grand Wizard gives a thumbs down to the idea of private/VIP forums or markets. They serve no useful purpose and can bring more trouble than they're worth.
Excellent point, TheGrandWizard.
+1
sdesu
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PEONS!!!
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Really wish I was established enough here to find a great private market because I am already getting tired of this SR BS. I learn my lesson not to FE on Tony76 and I am still going to probably get fucked by evilution like it sounds everyone else is even though I didn't FE. 50% Refund isn't fair on large amounts and it just seems that there are way more scammers on here than when I got on and that was only a couple months ago.
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Really wish I was established enough here to find a great private market because I am already getting tired of this SR BS. I learn my lesson not to FE on Tony76 and I am still going to probably get fucked by evilution like it sounds everyone else is even though I didn't FE. 50% Refund isn't fair on large amounts and it just seems that there are way more scammers on here than when I got on and that was only a couple months ago.
I don't think there's so much BS that the public marketplace is untenable. If you're sticking with well known vendors and are following all recommended guidelines yourself for your own protection, it's a pretty smooth process, at least in my experience so far.
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Really wish I was established enough here to find a great private market because I am already getting tired of this SR BS. I learn my lesson not to FE on Tony76 and I am still going to probably get fucked by evilution like it sounds everyone else is even though I didn't FE. 50% Refund isn't fair on large amounts and it just seems that there are way more scammers on here than when I got on and that was only a couple months ago.
I don't think there's so much BS that the public marketplace is untenable. If you're sticking with well known vendors and are following all recommended guidelines yourself for your own protection, it's a pretty smooth process, at least in my experience so far.
My first buy was Tony76 very well known on the 4/20 sale and I FE'd so that was my fault from then on I have never FE'd and had many successful transactions by staying domestic for the most part. Evilution has great stats and so I ordered and didn't fe. I am still hopeful but it just isn't looking good at this point and I feel I have been a great buyer.
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Don't worry big players are already in touch in a way or another, and you'll not be part of it if you don't already have connections, often initiated IRL (because i would never trust someone i don't know if i was meant to make big business)
I like SR to be public, because i'm not in the scene anymore, left the city, lost connections because of life/work/family/other hobbies going on and i'm VERY happy to be able to obtain quality drugs for personnal and friend use, that i cannot have in real life or way more expensive and not of reliable quality (except cannabis which is incredibly expensive on SR) Individuals need good drugs for personnal/friends use!!! If it was not public, nobody would invite me and goodbye the fun vibe for the most part.
There is BS on SR, but whoever bought drugs IRL knows that this is not a guaranteed business, often more dangerous. I've been more ripped off IRL than on SR, due to the "community" trying to push out the scammers. On SR i lost a little bit money, but i never had a knife nor a gun pointed at me to be robbed, i never was forced to buy shitty quality under violent pressure, i never had to wait in sketchy part of town for hours waiting for my man to show up. So now, i prefer way more my SR purchases than IRL. Lurk the forums for hours before making a purchase and that'll do.
Thanks DPR, the admins, the forums mods, the sellers and everyone making it possible.
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Really wish I was established enough here to find a great private market because I am already getting tired of this SR BS. I learn my lesson not to FE on Tony76 and I am still going to probably get fucked by evilution like it sounds everyone else is even though I didn't FE. 50% Refund isn't fair on large amounts and it just seems that there are way more scammers on here than when I got on and that was only a couple months ago.
I would imagine this private forums system doesn't have escrow though, so I think I'd prefer the road.
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Really wish I was established enough here to find a great private market because I am already getting tired of this SR BS. I learn my lesson not to FE on Tony76 and I am still going to probably get fucked by evilution like it sounds everyone else is even though I didn't FE. 50% Refund isn't fair on large amounts and it just seems that there are way more scammers on here than when I got on and that was only a couple months ago.
I would imagine this private forums system doesn't have escrow though, so I think I'd prefer the road.
It doesn't and a lot of people can't deal with that and on top of that you're not sure what kind of quality you're getting that's why SR is so successful because it's user friendly. I mean how scary would it be jumping on IRC, sending someone BTC directly to some wallet and then patiently waiting for your product to arrive?
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I would love to see something both in the forums and within the main site itself for buyers and sellers who operate at a more trusted level.
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sounds like a good idea to me. ^^