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Market => Rumor mill => Topic started by: undrdwg on July 07, 2011, 05:44 pm
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Since there is no option to leave feedback for buyers and potential for abusive/scamming buyers is evident I started this post to address the issue of rotten buyers, one of which I have recently had the pleasure of doing business with and ruined my perfect score because he wanted more product for free at the threat of lowering my score.
Rotten buyer #1
PIRATES - who purchased two eights of herb off my me and then sent me a message upon receipt stating that they "seemed light". All my packages are weighed using a digital scale. I replied to his message and stated that maybe he should try to weigh the herb before he complains and threatens to give a bad rating. He replied it seemed fair but still let me a negative rating so I am guessing he did not weigh the herb.
Watch out for this buyer seemed to me by his messaging me before leaving feedback and his actual feedback ("Better sellers on SR that are more customer friendly and willing to go the extra mile to make a customer happy.") that this buyer tries to scam more than what he pays for by threatening negative feedback.
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arrghh does this thread be for real? Ye should know better, pirates is now p'irritated but he'll be buyin again.
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yes this thread be for real. Report all P.O.S. buyers here. pirates can be as p'irritated as he wants tell him thanks for the bitcoins
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The issue I had was I placed the order, you messaged me back that same day. Then you didn't actually ship it until I sent a message 5 days later.
Instead of just leaving feedback that shipping was slow, I was being courteous to you by sending a message about my experience, since it seems most sellers would rather be told about any negative experiences before leaving feedback. You addressed the weight issue by telling me to weigh it, but didn't say anything about the delayed shipping. So 4/5 for each transaction, I think that's fair.
You weren't deducted for the product being light. You are right, I didn't weigh it because I don't have a scale. And I realized comparing your amount to another sellers isn't fair because the other seller was much more generous. So that's a non issue when I rated you and I didn't mention that in the feedback.
And I did feel bad for popping your 100% cherry. All other transactions I've been involved with have been 5/5 with an outstanding experience.
And I'm done.
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The issue I had was I placed the order, you messaged me back that same day. Then you didn't actually ship it until I sent a message 5 days later.
Instead of just leaving feedback that shipping was slow, I was being courteous to you by sending a message about my experience, since it seems most sellers would rather be told about any negative experiences before leaving feedback. You addressed the weight issue by telling me to weigh it, but didn't say anything about the delayed shipping. So 4/5 for each transaction, I think that's fair.
You weren't deducted for the product being light. You are right, I didn't weigh it because I don't have a scale. And I realized comparing your amount to another sellers isn't fair because the other seller was much more generous. So that's a non issue when I rated you and I didn't mention that in the feedback.
And I did feel bad for popping your 100% cherry. All other transactions I've been involved with have been 5/5 with an outstanding experience.
And I'm done.
sounds pretty reasonable to me.
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calling a buyer out on forum over a 4/5 review seems pretty trivial. it could have been alot worse. i'm sure most if not all of the best most reputable sellers on this site have had 4/5's and didnt resort to calling people out on forums. really to me knowing you will do that is worst then you having 1 4/5 review. calling out your buyers by name on forum is pretty bad bro. people should trust you with their personal info?
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I got a 2/5 over some dick that doesnt like packaging, although the hundreds of other people a week who got those boxes didnt have an issue.
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I got a 2/5 over some dick that doesnt like packaging, although the hundreds of other people a week who got those boxes didnt have an issue.
::) Hundreds?
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LTTM, i hate reading those fucking feedbacks. completely understand where you're coming from ???
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The issue I had was I placed the order, you messaged me back that same day. Then you didn't actually ship it until I sent a message 5 days later.
Instead of just leaving feedback that shipping was slow, I was being courteous to you by sending a message about my experience, since it seems most sellers would rather be told about any negative experiences before leaving feedback. You addressed the weight issue by telling me to weigh it, but didn't say anything about the delayed shipping. So 4/5 for each transaction, I think that's fair.
You weren't deducted for the product being light. You are right, I didn't weigh it because I don't have a scale. And I realized comparing your amount to another sellers isn't fair because the other seller was much more generous. So that's a non issue when I rated you and I didn't mention that in the feedback.
And I did feel bad for popping your 100% cherry. All other transactions I've been involved with have been 5/5 with an outstanding experience.
And I'm done.
Very Reasonable. Mention delayed shipping on the review next time : ) Then the seller knows how to improve.
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The issue I had was I placed the order, you messaged me back that same day. Then you didn't actually ship it until I sent a message 5 days later.
Instead of just leaving feedback that shipping was slow, I was being courteous to you by sending a message about my experience, since it seems most sellers would rather be told about any negative experiences before leaving feedback. You addressed the weight issue by telling me to weigh it, but didn't say anything about the delayed shipping. So 4/5 for each transaction, I think that's fair.
You weren't deducted for the product being light. You are right, I didn't weigh it because I don't have a scale. And I realized comparing your amount to another sellers isn't fair because the other seller was much more generous. So that's a non issue when I rated you and I didn't mention that in the feedback.
And I did feel bad for popping your 100% cherry. All other transactions I've been involved with have been 5/5 with an outstanding experience.
And I'm done.
Yes , this does sound reasonable, and I agree two 4/5 ratings are not what I am worried about I know this will go back up after more transactions. my whole point is that this was not what was messaged to me it was messaged to me that the package SEEMED light and that was why he was leaving negative feedback. Especially if you expect more product AFTER I ship what you paid for and fish for something more with the threat of bad feedback is the whole reason we need a buyers feedback and the MAIN POINT I made this threat. No hard feelings just what the fuck :)
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DigitalAlch: I made sure to comment in the feedback that shipping was delayed since that was the reason for the point deduction. Also a positive comment that the stealth packaging was very "solid and safe".
Yes , this does sound reasonable, and I agree two 4/5 ratings are not what I am worried about I know this will go back up after more transactions. my whole point is that this was not what was messaged to me it was messaged to me that the package SEEMED light and that was why he was leaving negative feedback. Especially if you expect more product AFTER I ship what you paid for and fish for something more with the threat of bad feedback is the whole reason we need a buyers feedback and the MAIN POINT I made this threat. No hard feelings just what the fuck :)
For reference, this is the message I sent. I don't see a threat, scam, or requesting more product. Just a brand new customer trying to figure out SR and not wanting to tarnish the record of a seller that actually cares about their customers.
"I received the order, so thank you. But I wanted to let you know that as of right now I'll be leaving feedback on both orders of 3/5. Between the shipping thing where you didn't ship until I reached out to you asking if it had shipped (I hope everything is okay with your family emergency) and the size seeming a little light compared to other orders I've received, I don't think I have a choice. But the method of shipping was really good, best I've seen so far.
Most sellers want customers to tell them before they leave anything negative. And since you are at 100 right now, I feel guilty leaving anything that would hurt that.
Thank you."
I'm sure we both can take lessons away from this and learn how to work better on SR as sellers and buyers.
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For reference, this is the message I sent. I don't see a threat, scam, or requesting more product. Just a brand new customer trying to figure out SR and not wanting to tarnish the record of a seller that actually cares about their customers.
"I received the order, so thank you. But I wanted to let you know that as of right now I'll be leaving feedback on both orders of 3/5. Between the shipping thing where you didn't ship until I reached out to you asking if it had shipped (I hope everything is okay with your family emergency) and the size seeming a little light compared to other orders I've received, I don't think I have a choice. But the method of shipping was really good, best I've seen so far.
Most sellers want customers to tell them before they leave anything negative. And since you are at 100 right now, I feel guilty leaving anything that would hurt that.
Thank you."
I'm sure we both can take lessons away from this and learn how to work better on SR as sellers and buyers.
Hang a tic, you messaged a vendor that you were going to give a 3/5 rating and instead you gave a 4/5. Is that correct?
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I ask the same question....
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@lvlbrained - I dunno, man. I feel like if we can call sellers out they should be able to call us out. some people might not want to deal with annoying customers who might leave neg feedback over nothing. the seller shouldn't have said what the guy bought and shouldn't give out any personal info about the guy, but just calling him out as a bad buyer? that's fair to me.
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Gives too much power to sellers, same as ebay: became a total blackmail setup, where sellers wouldn't post feedback until buyer posted there's...I don't think we should keep presuming there's this big problem here. Most of the sellers and buyers seem pretty reasonable, and I don't see any threads going about an major ripoffs. The system is working. Once buyers pay money, they are out of loop: it's all on seller, and goods either arrive or they don't, and are either what they say, or they're not.
Both sides have enough power to keep things in check. There are tradeoffs here, but site has the rep, and everybody that wants this product, wants to come here, because it's legit...system works. Sellers that respond to pms when things go wrong, and reply to threads where they are the topic, inevitably calm things down when shit is in the air. It's working.
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yeah, but why should sellers' voices be silenced if they really are treated poorly? is there no recourse for sellers? i'm not talking about a system built into SR, but on these forums. i thought that was what the rumor mill was for.
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nice thread op ;D
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I agree on starting threads. Opiate buyers, we always start threads if there is no delivery...but you might also read that we are a very tolerant and forgiving bunch. Half the time, the sellers join thread, and all is well, or we get delivery, and it's a love fest ;)
If not, A timely pm, and we're o.k. again, and we rarely talk bad about sellers, or 'call them out' ... so start threads on buyers, if you have questions or are pissed about something...I keep hearing that sellers are having buyers who do all these horrible things...well post on them....most buyers I see posting, it's just because 1) Their product didn't show when seller said it would and 2) Seller doesn't answer pm's...but again, from what I see, we're pretty forgiving unless it's an outright ripoff...but 'rottenbuyers?' kind of stiff term, and I'm not seeing a lot of names on this thread...but perception is reality, so have at it ...
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A customer accepted a reshipment and asked for a full refund a week later, instead of extension of due date.
Depending on what comes out I'll publish the nickname.
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A customer accepted a reshipment and asked for a full refund a week later, instead of extension of due date.
Depending on what comes out I'll publish the nickname.
Yeah, that sounds abusive. As a buyer we got a responsibility. Sellers are out on a limb financially, we gotta act right. It does seem like SR is responsive if there are enough requests. There now is a way to totally bybass escrow and just pay seller directly, which a lot of people wanted. I think that's a fair way to do things, once you know your seller comes thru...why make the man wait any more than necessary for their btc. Pay and they can re-up. If things get crazy, go back to escrow. That way risk is shared. Shit goes missing, and no one is at fault, then split the cost. Seller could reimburse half. SR is still a work in progress, and we know LE is breathing hot and heavy somewhere here...sadly...
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Thankfully he accepted an extension. Requesting refund so early was a dick move, though.
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@btcfreedom - Sounds like a rotten seller...
@phubaiblues - I agree. I don't want this forum to be flooded with every complaint a seller has about a buyer, but some are legit. That said, I wouldn't have posted this over a 4/5, without PMing the buyer first... seems a little extreme. Also, I agree with what I've read from you in several threads, and that is that we don't seem to have a serious buyer fraud issue here.
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@btcfreedom - Sounds like a rotten seller...
@phubaiblues - I agree. I don't want this forum to be flooded with every complaint a seller has about a buyer, but some are legit. That said, I wouldn't have posted this over a 4/5, without PMing the buyer first... seems a little extreme. Also, I agree with what I've read from you in several threads, and that is that we don't seem to have a serious buyer fraud issue here.
I believe in finalizing early for sellers I know are trustworthy...I just put that in the feedback "Finalized early, trusted buyer." that way other people know that I didn't *necessarily* receive the product, but that I released funds....seems fair that way, and still let buyers know...and like everybody, problems or questions, I can start a thread...
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i dont think leaving feedback for buyers is a good idea. it was mentioned the whole ebay paradox where the seller wouldnt leave feedback until after the buyer, not to mention the fact that it would expose a users order history, which is unacceptable.
perhaps the best way to solve this would be a respond to feedback feature, where sellers could respond to the feedback the buyers left. that way sellers can answer for or explain any problems that may have arisen, or post a link to a relative forum topic on the situation.
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I agree, buyers have the ability to take shots at us, and we can;t even defend ourselves to the community at large.
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I agree, buyers have the ability to take shots at us, and we can;t even defend ourselves to the community at large.
If sellers can give feedback *after* buyers, they'd hold us hostage. Ebay has proven that. No way around it. Everybody is free to start thread here, if buyers are taking unfair 'shots' then post on these buyers. I don't see that. Mostly what I see is pretty cut and dried, and generally pretty positive. Good sellers, everybody knows who they are...but as buyers, our only recourse is the feedback system. I think sellers have a legitimate beef with the escrow, and I not only support finding ways to eliminate escrow with *established* sellers, but also lift it my own self now, as soon as I can. I finalize now as soon as package is shipped, and say so.
But buyer feedback is a necessity. And I"m pretty sure sellers aren't going to want to post feedback *before* buyers do, right? What some sellers really want is a rebuttal system...and then we'd demand the same thing. It'd never end. We know some buyers are dickheads. One bad review isn't going to make anybody stop buying...but if several buyers say the same thing, then we can at least be cautious. From what I see, feedback is to seller's advantage, and is generally very positive...
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If sellers can give feedback *after* buyers, they'd hold us hostage. Ebay has proven that. No way around it. Everybody is free to start thread here, if buyers are taking unfair 'shots' then post on these buyers. I don't see that. Mostly what I see is pretty cut and dried, and generally pretty positive. Good sellers, everybody knows who they are...but as buyers, our only recourse is the feedback system. I think sellers have a legitimate beef with the escrow, and I not only support finding ways to eliminate escrow with *established* sellers, but also lift it my own self now, as soon as I can. I finalize now as soon as package is shipped, and say so.
But buyer feedback is a necessity. And I"m pretty sure sellers aren't going to want to post feedback *before* buyers do, right? What some sellers really want is a rebuttal system...and then we'd demand the same thing. It'd never end. We know some buyers are dickheads. One bad review isn't going to make anybody stop buying...but if several buyers say the same thing, then we can at least be cautious. From what I see, feedback is to seller's advantage, and is generally very positive...
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If sellers can give feedback *after* buyers, they'd hold us hostage. Ebay has proven that. No way around it. Everybody is free to start thread here, if buyers are taking unfair 'shots' then post on these buyers. I don't see that. Mostly what I see is pretty cut and dried, and generally pretty positive. Good sellers, everybody knows who they are...but as buyers, our only recourse is the feedback system. I think sellers have a legitimate beef with the escrow, and I not only support finding ways to eliminate escrow with *established* sellers, but also lift it my own self now, as soon as I can. I finalize now as soon as package is shipped, and say so.
But buyer feedback is a necessity. And I"m pretty sure sellers aren't going to want to post feedback *before* buyers do, right? What some sellers really want is a rebuttal system...and then we'd demand the same thing. It'd never end. We know some buyers are dickheads. One bad review isn't going to make anybody stop buying...but if several buyers say the same thing, then we can at least be cautious. From what I see, feedback is to seller's advantage, and is generally very positive...
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That shit in the OP is barely worth noting much less starting a thread over. I think if you honestly believe you have a buyer who is being abusive or whatever post your story on the forum and let the community decide. I know some buyers here (A lot of buyers here) are new to the whole "buying substances over the internet" thing but after a little bit the older generation on here will know a good seller from a bad seller and leave feedback accordingly. The only thing that is wrong with the system (And where Goldismoney made a lot of money) is that a $1 order is just as valuable as a $2000 order in the feedback system. I don't really give a shit if a big vendor was successful in mailing out grams of weed when I want a pound, I want to be able to see if they come through on big orders rather than small. I know when I'm looking over vendors if I'm reading their feedback and they have 100+ transactions the only feedbacks I'm looking for is to see if they come through with orders worth the same and more than the order I want to place.
That shit peniscock said though is some bullshit. Vendors who issue full re-ships for free are few and far between, and abusing those kind tendencies is only gonna get you another vendor who trusts nobody.
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My intentions here are not about calling out the buyer in front of the whole community. I wish there was a better way? My intentions were simply to make other sellers aware of this buyer. Who's to say he doesn't do this to everyone who sells him product - claims it "seems light" and threatens bad feedback in hopes of receiving extras. Currently there is only one way and that's by posting here in Rumor Mill for others to comment on and either say yes this buyer tried the same with me or no I have had no problem with this buyer.
I wish this thread could be somewhere on the forum accessible only by sellers, so that we could share feedback regarding questionable buyer activity. But it's not, and this is the only way to assess a buyer currently!
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Some people are just dicks! If I place a order and it comes then its a 5. Im not going to nitpick about packaging and stupid shit like that.