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Discussion => Silk Road discussion => Topic started by: Thirty_Rox on October 04, 2013, 03:13 am
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So sad!!
http://www.komonews.com/news/local/Federal-drug-charges-for-Bellevue-man-involved-in-Silk-Road-226387671.html?mobile=y&clmob=y&c=n
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He made the first mistake by using return addresses connected to him. *face palm*
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It seems like most vendors get busted for messing something up in real life. They brag about it, don't take proper precautions, or like NOD also deal offline. You have to be smart to survive in this game, its completely different than the streets.
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Fuck! That is sad. Poor Nod :(
It seems like they waited till SR/DPR was taken down to also take down Nod. The timing is not a coincidence.
But you know.. I was thinking. This person, ALLEGEDLY Nod, it seems was surveilled with tracking devices the old fashioned way, and was recorded going to 38 post offices. So? Maybe this Sadler fellow enjoyed going to the post office. If I'm reading correctly, nowhere does it say the fake-name registered UPS boxes were found to have anything illegal with them. So his confirmed crime is registering a few UPS boxes with fake IDs. His ALLEGED crime is being Nod, and that's because they have him going to dozens of PO's. Unless I'm reading it wrong, none of "Nod"s packages had the return address of those UPS boxes, right? That would be a smoking gun.. which I don't see.
I'm not an attorney.. but, one could theorize that if there's no prints, no video/audio/data surveillance of him actually handling drugs and putting them into packages.. and (yes I know SR servers were imaged.. but I'm sure he didn't discuss ANYTHING about his real identity without PGP... IF AT ALL), he might have some good legal angles here.
Ah, I dunno.. maybe that's wishful thinking. Breaking Bad and Silk Road finales in the same week.. this is just depressing :'(
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He made the first mistake by using return addresses connected to him. *face palm*
I'm not sure thats exactly what the article says though? It says " Investigators say they used a return address on some of the boxes to track down Sadler"
That doesn't say he used a return address associated with his fake-id regg'd UPS boxes ON an actual package he sent out. Semantics.. I know.. but still.
Ah fuck it, what do I know. What a shitty week.
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He made the first mistake by using return addresses connected to him. *face palm*
I'm not sure thats exactly what the article says though? It says " Investigators say they used a return address on some of the boxes to track down Sadler"
That doesn't say he used a return address associated with his fake-id regg'd UPS boxes ON an actual package he sent out. Semantics.. I know.. but still.
Ah fuck it, what do I know. What a shitty week.
Sadler sent the drugs through the U.S. Mail, where a drug detection dog alerted authorities to an express mail package. Inside, Post Office inspectors found heroin hidden in a birthday card, and scented markers.
Investigators say they used a return address on some of the boxes to track down Sadler, and installed tracking devices on Sadler and his co-defendant's vehicles. During surveillance, the cars traveled to at least 38 Post Offices in the Seattle area.
Sounds like they got the UPS boxes address from the packages they intercepted.
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Ok. I'm an idiot. Just watched the video news piece too. He received drugs @ those UPS boxes he had rented as well.
Moral of the story for vendors.. don't receive anything ever? I know some vendors get mailed product and then re-sell that.. so that seems to be the weak link for Nod (and potentially other vendors).
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He made the first mistake by using return addresses connected to him. *face palm*
I'm not sure thats exactly what the article says though? It says " Investigators say they used a return address on some of the boxes to track down Sadler"
That doesn't say he used a return address associated with his fake-id regg'd UPS boxes ON an actual package he sent out. Semantics.. I know.. but still.
Ah fuck it, what do I know. What a shitty week.
Well then what you're implying is that he used a return address with his real name and address on it.
I don't think so.
Follow the trail, it went like:
H sniffed out by dogs in mail to Alaska -> Alaskan Recipient IDs buying from handle named NOD on SR -> Return address on mailing IDs PO Box with fake name -> PO Box is staked out and when Nod checks it his car is tagged with GPS -> Car reveals his complete identity and GPS reveals visiting 38 Post offices. You can be sure the packages the dropped in those post offices were gathered as evidence as well since this was an undercover op.
All to save a couple bucks in case a package is returned to sender he reveals exactly where to find him. Doh!
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I had some disagreements with nod when I purchased from him, but he didn't deserve what happened to him. Poor guy...
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Fuck! That is sad. Poor Nod :(
It seems like they waited till SR/DPR was taken down to also take down Nod. The timing is not a coincidence.
But you know.. I was thinking. This person, ALLEGEDLY Nod, it seems was surveilled with tracking devices the old fashioned way, and was recorded going to 38 post offices. So? Maybe this Sadler fellow enjoyed going to the post office. If I'm reading correctly, nowhere does it say the fake-name registered UPS boxes were found to have anything illegal with them. So his confirmed crime is registering a few UPS boxes with fake IDs. His ALLEGED crime is being Nod, and that's because they have him going to dozens of PO's. Unless I'm reading it wrong, none of "Nod"s packages had the return address of those UPS boxes, right? That would be a smoking gun.. which I don't see.
I'm not an attorney.. but, one could theorize that if there's no prints, no video/audio/data surveillance of him actually handling drugs and putting them into packages.. and (yes I know SR servers were imaged.. but I'm sure he didn't discuss ANYTHING about his real identity without PGP... IF AT ALL), he might have some good legal angles here.
Ah, I dunno.. maybe that's wishful thinking. Breaking Bad and Silk Road finales in the same week.. this is just depressing :'(
I'm not citing the source for this because they are ALL taken from the article in the OP.
This article ties it all together pretty well; there are a few things I'm surprised nobody commented on:
"According to court documents, 40-year-old Steven Sadler hid his identity using the profile "Nod," and used a fake name to purchase mailboxes at several UPS stores in Washington.
Agents in Seattle eventually connected Silk Road to Sadler after they intercepted a package addressed to someone in Alaska. The recipient told agents where he purchased the drugs from "NOD" on Silk Road."
So NOD had purchased mailboxes with fake IDs/names. Not the best idea to use as a return address, but OK. Fine. One of his customers flipped on him and mentioned SR to LE. So OK now they don't know his name he is or where he is, but they know which UPS store and b0x to watch.
I'm particularly surprised nobody commented on this part of the story. It shown the connection between NOD and Ulbircht:
"His final mistake, according to the court papers, was ordering fake identification documents from a Silk Road vendor from Canada. One of the nine documents was a California driver's license with Ulbricht's photograph, birthdate but a different name. The package was intercepted at the border during a routine U.S. Customs search."
This is new to me. SO NOD ordered the intercepted fake IDs in Canada for Ulbricht? I thought they were shipped to Ulbright. Sound like Ulbricht didn't wanted to be able to deny ordering, which he did. Maybe that's why Ulbicht didn't panic when DHS showed up to ask about the IDs; he didn't order them.
While that very last part was speculation, you all can obviously see why the went down at the same time. That's definitely no coincidence.
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it could be that they tracked it to the post office and sat on the spot long enough to put it all together. And if he was going into the post office, there are cameras all over, so with a few people watching videos and looking at just a couple little things, they could figure it out.
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Fuck! That is sad. Poor Nod :(
It seems like they waited till SR/DPR was taken down to also take down Nod. The timing is not a coincidence.
But you know.. I was thinking. This person, ALLEGEDLY Nod, it seems was surveilled with tracking devices the old fashioned way, and was recorded going to 38 post offices. So? Maybe this Sadler fellow enjoyed going to the post office. If I'm reading correctly, nowhere does it say the fake-name registered UPS boxes were found to have anything illegal with them. So his confirmed crime is registering a few UPS boxes with fake IDs. His ALLEGED crime is being Nod, and that's because they have him going to dozens of PO's. Unless I'm reading it wrong, none of "Nod"s packages had the return address of those UPS boxes, right? That would be a smoking gun.. which I don't see.
I'm not an attorney.. but, one could theorize that if there's no prints, no video/audio/data surveillance of him actually handling drugs and putting them into packages.. and (yes I know SR servers were imaged.. but I'm sure he didn't discuss ANYTHING about his real identity without PGP... IF AT ALL), he might have some good legal angles here.
Ah, I dunno.. maybe that's wishful thinking. Breaking Bad and Silk Road finales in the same week.. this is just depressing :'(
I'm not citing the source for this because they are ALL taken from the article in the OP.
This article ties it all together pretty well; there are a few things I'm surprised nobody commented on:
"According to court documents, 40-year-old Steven Sadler hid his identity using the profile "Nod," and used a fake name to purchase mailboxes at several UPS stores in Washington.
Agents in Seattle eventually connected Silk Road to Sadler after they intercepted a package addressed to someone in Alaska. The recipient told agents where he purchased the drugs from "NOD" on Silk Road."
So NOD had purchased mailboxes with fake IDs/names. Not the best idea to use as a return address, but OK. Fine. One of his customers flipped on him and mentioned SR to LE. So OK now they don't know his name he is or where he is, but they know which UPS store and b0x to watch.
I'm particularly surprised nobody commented on this part of the story. It shown the connection between NOD and Ulbircht:
"His final mistake, according to the court papers, was ordering fake identification documents from a Silk Road vendor from Canada. One of the nine documents was a California driver's license with Ulbricht's photograph, birthdate but a different name. The package was intercepted at the border during a routine U.S. Customs search."
This is new to me. SO NOD ordered the intercepted fake IDs in Canada for Ulbricht? I thought they were shipped to Ulbright. Sound like Ulbricht didn't wanted to be able to deny ordering, which he did. Maybe that's why Ulbicht didn't panic when DHS showed up to ask about the IDs; he didn't order them.
While that very last part was speculation, you all can obviously see why the went down at the same time. That's definitely no coincidence.
One of his orders to canada got intercepted....and the buyer (in alaska) told them where it came from. If the return addresses really went back to the ups drop boxes...they will get a court order to force ups to give up the renter of the box. From there, they will have the name, copy of driver license, etc...and then they will realize they are rented with fake information. From there, it seems they started watching him and had GPS on his car.
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This article ties it all together pretty well; there are a few things I'm surprised nobody commented on:
"According to court documents, 40-year-old Steven Sadler hid his identity using the profile "Nod," and used a fake name to purchase mailboxes at several UPS stores in Washington.
Agents in Seattle eventually connected Silk Road to Sadler after they intercepted a package addressed to someone in Alaska. The recipient told agents where he purchased the drugs from "NOD" on Silk Road."
So NOD had purchased mailboxes with fake IDs/names. Not the best idea to use as a return address, but OK. Fine. One of his customers flipped on him and mentioned SR to LE. So OK now they don't know his name he is or where he is, but they know which UPS store and b0x to watch.
I'm particularly surprised nobody commented on this part of the story. It shown the connection between NOD and Ulbircht:
"His final mistake, according to the court papers, was ordering fake identification documents from a Silk Road vendor from Canada. One of the nine documents was a California driver's license with Ulbricht's photograph, birthdate but a different name. The package was intercepted at the border during a routine U.S. Customs search."
This is new to me. SO NOD ordered the intercepted fake IDs in Canada for Ulbricht? I thought they were shipped to Ulbright. Sound like Ulbricht didn't wanted to be able to deny ordering, which he did. Maybe that's why Ulbicht didn't panic when DHS showed up to ask about the IDs; he didn't order them.
While that very last part was speculation, you all can obviously see why the went down at the same time. That's definitely no coincidence.
One of his orders to canada got intercepted....and the buyer (in alaska) told them where it came from. If the return addresses really went back to the ups drop boxes...they will get a court order to force ups to give up the renter of the box. From there, they will have the name, copy of driver license, etc...and then they will realize they are rented with fake information. From there, it seems they started watching him and had GPS on his car.
I read that part. I was commenting on the fact that it was in no way a coincidence that the 2 went down at the same time. LE figured out they were associated, so I'm not surprised they went after them at the same time.
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NOD ordering the ID's for Ulrbright... wtf. So NOD knew that Ulbright was DPR? Why else would a vendor like Nod waste his time/risk ordering ID's for SOMEONE ELSE unless that SOMEONE ELSE was the boss-man himself. And though he wouldn't have known the real name (Ulbright), he'd still have had Ulbright/DPR's real picture in his possession. Didn't know DPR and NOD were such homeboys. Fuck.. this one really has my head scratching.
Why would he trust NOD to order those ID's for him? Even if he didn't say they were for him, he still would have asked NOD to plae the order with the picture provide. That enough would let NOD know that he very well might be holding THE DPR's real picture in his hands, AND have his delivery address in his possession. I'm sure NOD is a standup guy.. but jesus.. wouldn't the man be tempted to potentially.. oh.. I don't know.. extort DPR for a billion bucks if he put 2+2 together?
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I don't see any connection between the Nod arrest and DPR. Just a coincidence fake I.D's are involved in each, but I don't see a relationship between the two events.
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Their is no connection, they are two different cases
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Their is no connection, they are two different cases
Two separate cases does not mean there's no connection. According to that article at least, they made a connection between the two. They're not being charged with the same crimes, so they're not part of the same case. That doesn't mean NOD wasn't a person of interest in the DPR investigation. BUt no, he's not charged as a cocnspiritor if that's what you meant.
I said it makes sense that they would bust them at the same time, because once word gets out, people have a chance to flee and to destroy evidence.
The IDs aren't a coincidence and it wasn't an accident that they were intercepted in Canada.
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The part of the article where it mentions the fake IDs is talking about Ulbricht, not NOD. I got really excited for a second there, as reading about this whole thing has basically made me feel okay about breaking bad ending - and what a twist. Oh well.
Someone on these boards was speculating about NOD being the cocaine smuggler-turned-hitman (i.e. undercover agent) of the criminal complaint. I can't remember their reasoning or if they had any evidence. I had never heard of NOD. He is the only vendor name I've seen thrown out there for the coke smuggling UC, and now he's one of 2 vendors that have been arrested. Interesting.
Not trying to spread FUD here, the above paragraph is virtually meaningless.
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NOB was the cocaine guy, not to be confused with NOD....
NOB had listings up for massive amounts of coke all the time and never really had feedback, his listings had LEO written all over them...
Anyone with half a brain would know not to do business with him...
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NOB was the cocaine guy, not to be confused with NOD....
NOB had listings up for massive amounts of coke all the time and never really had feedback, his listings had LEO written all over them...
Anyone with half a brain would know not to do business with him...
That's some shitty writting if they were talking about DPR. The whole article talks about NOD's mistakes. There's a very brief paragraph mentioning that DPR was also arrested. The next paragraph goes on to say "His final mistake was" as if they were talking about NOD still. It's a shitty news site, so that wouldn't surprise me.
I was talking only about NOD, not NOB
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@jkbliss thanks for correcting me! funny, i now remember that the post i read actually specified and distinguished between these 2 in the first place. my mistake!
@password, yeah they should have said ulbricht's instead of his. damn, would have been a good twist.
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from the article: Sadler sent the drugs through the U.S. Mail, where a drug detection dog alerted authorities to an express mail package. Inside, Post Office inspectors found heroin hidden in a birthday card, and scented markers.
Anyone know if NOD used MBBs?
I don't like express. UPS or FEDEX do part of the transport and well, I just don't like it.
Sounds like NOD used PO boxes so that he wouldn't lose packs that got returned.
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NOD disappeared at the end of July??
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Can someone PLEASE clear this up with facts. Nod DID or DIDN'T order the fake-id's on behalf of Ulbright? (or atleast the fake-ID's bearing Ulbright's picture).
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from the article: Sadler sent the drugs through the U.S. Mail, where a drug detection dog alerted authorities to an express mail package. Inside, Post Office inspectors found heroin hidden in a birthday card, and scented markers.
Anyone know if NOD used MBBs?
I don't like express. UPS or FEDEX do part of the transport and well, I just don't like it.
Sounds like NOD used PO boxes so that he wouldn't lose packs that got returned.
NOD did not use MBB's, just vacuum sealed clear packages. A simple MBB might have saved him.
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I'm curious if they caught the pack randomly and did follow-up investigation or if the FEDS ordered from Nod, had a dog smell the package, etc. It sounds like the former. The feds obviously had their dicks hard for busting DPR....that mattered more to them than anything else such. Good bragging rights.
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maybe NOD had another username called "redandwhite". nod lived near the town in british columbia where the supposed murder for hire took place. and it said that dpr asked redandwhite where to get ID's.
And also didnt the US find the SR servers back in july, meaning they had access to all of our addresses and info 2 months ago? Could explain some of the CD's that happened to ppl who werent using PGP.
lesson here, always use PGP and if your a vendor always use MBB!
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How did the dogs smell it? Did he not have god stealth? No vacuum seals or Mylar? I'm surprised no one mentioned that yet.
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Man that SUCKS BOUT NOD, I only used him 2 times, and when i first spoke to him I question his price,
So he says " GIVE ME YOUR ADDY BRO I WANNA SHOW U" So i do, A Fucking gram express shows up next day!!
I tried it, an DAMN IT WAS FIRE, But it was not the best iv had on here, but it was always consistant he said. That matters..
So i asked could i pay him for what he sent,since he just sent me a 300 G.. He replied with NO FUCKING WAY BRO THAT WAS FOR ME TO SHOW YOU MY GREATNESS!! MY mouth dropped.. So i order''d a G right then, I had 25 left and asked would it be worth it to make a custom for an xtra 25 bucks i had, Might have been 30 bucks, so he said, bro i know your reputation on the forums, and some of the highest buyers say your awesome to have on the team. Im gonna make that custom listing and i'll surprise u..
so i dunno why but he made shipping free, so i thought priority mail, i told him i was not in a hurry cause i just got his G the yesterday.. Well The NEXT DAY express in my mailbox..
I bring it in, Throw it on the digitals. TO MY SURPRISE 1.25 That Awesome SOB!!! 30 bucks and he throws 250mg of BTH along with my G.. Not to mention The free express..
After that i was SOLD! hE EVEN said bro if you cant afford the 300 n u want my service PM me, i will take care of you..
So i sent him at least 6 new buyers that all bought 2 grams at a time normally.. He msg me and Thanked me an said ' Thats why i looked out for u like i did, people know & trust you, they know that u know real good quality from BS and u tell the truth in reviews' so my time with NOD WAS GREAT!!!
2 GRAMS + 250MG FOR $330 FUCKING DOLLARS!! WHICH of course i could of went with other BTH dealer and got 150 grams and got 2 G;s BUT NOD was just an experiance all on his own, Not to mention He shipped tht day! and if he liked u, u got express free!
My prayers go out to his family!! LOVE U FOR U BEING GREAT THE TIME U WERE HERE NOD!!
So NOd's arrested now getting sweated down in the station, and YOU are telling everyone what he dealt sort your head out wanker. They will have him bang to rights with you.
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Can someone PLEASE clear this up with facts. Nod DID or DIDN'T order the fake-id's on behalf of Ulbright? (or atleast the fake-ID's bearing Ulbright's picture).
I'm pretty sure I misread it. The way it's written it seems like they are talking about NOD because all but one tiny paragraph in the article is about him. There's a very small paragraph about DPR. After that paragraph the next states "His final mistake was ..." and goes on to talk about IDs being ordered and intercepted at the border. Because everything up to the point where they mention DPR in passing talks about NOD's mistakes, I assummed that 'his final mistake' was referring to NOD.
I couldn't make any sense out of that though. Once someone else pointed out I was wrong, I realized I'd made the wrong assumption (at least that's what I think). It makes much more sense that they were talking about DPR. The shitty writer/editor should have know not to start that paragraph with 'his'.
Sorry if I caused confusion with that; I was very confused myself.
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Now check this... Anyone remember this case from a while back? Heroin in the mail bust at a homeless shelter in Alaska? Hmmmmm, I wonder if that was Nod's goods... and this dude ratted on him. Seems probable to me..
http://www.zoklet.net/bbs/showthread.php?t=273265
**CLEARNET LINK**
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The Juneau guy's trial was pushed out AGAIN. His delivery was in January of 2012 from the newspaper stories and charging dates.
Nod didn't come onto the forums under that name til June of 2012.
I doubt it's him or her.
Oh, there's something to note: Nod's account was last active October 4 at 0245 UTC. So he was last on about 24 hours before I write this, unless I'm reading this wrong.
That news story was published October 3 at 1645 Seattle time, updated October 4 at 0700.
Not known yet when he was arrested.
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Man that SUCKS BOUT NOD, I only used him 2 times, and when i first spoke to him I question his price,
So he says " GIVE ME YOUR ADDY BRO I WANNA SHOW U" So i do, A Fucking gram express shows up next day!!
I tried it, an DAMN IT WAS FIRE, But it was not the best iv had on here, but it was always consistant he said. That matters..
So i asked could i pay him for what he sent,since he just sent me a 300 G.. He replied with NO FUCKING WAY BRO THAT WAS FOR ME TO SHOW YOU MY GREATNESS!! MY mouth dropped.. So i order''d a G right then, I had 25 left and asked would it be worth it to make a custom for an xtra 25 bucks i had, Might have been 30 bucks, so he said, bro i know your reputation on the forums, and some of the highest buyers say your awesome to have on the team. Im gonna make that custom listing and i'll surprise u..
so i dunno why but he made shipping free, so i thought priority mail, i told him i was not in a hurry cause i just got his G the yesterday.. Well The NEXT DAY express in my mailbox..
I bring it in, Throw it on the digitals. TO MY SURPRISE 1.25 That Awesome SOB!!! 30 bucks and he throws 250mg of BTH along with my G.. Not to mention The free express..
After that i was SOLD! hE EVEN said bro if you cant afford the 300 n u want my service PM me, i will take care of you..
So i sent him at least 6 new buyers that all bought 2 grams at a time normally.. He msg me and Thanked me an said ' Thats why i looked out for u like i did, people know & trust you, they know that u know real good quality from BS and u tell the truth in reviews' so my time with NOD WAS GREAT!!!
2 GRAMS + 250MG FOR $330 FUCKING DOLLARS!! WHICH of course i could of went with other BTH dealer and got 150 grams and got 2 G;s BUT NOD was just an experiance all on his own, Not to mention He shipped tht day! and if he liked u, u got express free!
My prayers go out to his family!! LOVE U FOR U BEING GREAT THE TIME U WERE HERE NOD!!
So NOd's arrested now getting sweated down in the station, and YOU are telling everyone what he dealt sort your head out wanker. They will have him bang to rights with you.
I deleted my post after realizing what u said. But FFS bro u didnt have to be a asshole about it.. I was just saying how good of a guy he was and helped people was my only intent.. I did not mean it to be taking any way of of text other than that. But there of course is always the guy that has to be a jerk and post shit like you..
Y did u just say something like bro use your head and think about thinfo just wrote.. Now u need to delete your post cause my ORIGINAL IS on it where u quoted me..All i meant was it sucks for the man cause he was such a great guy point blank, thats all i really should of said but i wanted to give my experience with him.
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Their is no connection, they are two different cases
Two separate cases does not mean there's no connection. According to that article at least, they made a connection between the two. They're not being charged with the same crimes, so they're not part of the same case. That doesn't mean NOD wasn't a person of interest in the DPR investigation. BUt no, he's not charged as a cocnspiritor if that's what you meant.
I said it makes sense that they would bust them at the same time, because once word gets out, people have a chance to flee and to destroy evidence.
The IDs aren't a coincidence and it wasn't an accident that they were intercepted in Canada.
Yes, I will agree, I too do not believe that the alleged forged documents were "intercepted at the border during a routine U.S. Customs search" as stated in the news release. The odds of that are like winning every lottery in your country all in the very same night (finding fake IDs in a routine customs search that happen to be associated with the alleged criminal mastermind the Dread Pirate Roberts, that happened to be mailed to his residence instead of ANY other address... shit don't make sense).
And they're IDs that were intercepted, not drugs, what did police dogs alert to the fake IDs?
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The DPR was set up by the FBI
The drugs and the fake hit was the only way to bring him down
He ran Sr for a good 2.5 years but went down in the end, hopefully the next DPR is sharper