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Discussion => Silk Road discussion => Topic started by: BruceCampbell on August 12, 2013, 01:27 am
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It seems like buyers have free reign to scam and spam vendors and the forums without consequence. Considering vendor accounts can be suspended and demoted by staff due to misconduct, I vote that buyer accounts who frequently spam vendors, attempt to scam vendors and spam and beg in the forums should be investigated and either suspended or banned based on the discretion of administrators. This would set a precedent against scams and cluttering up the forums.
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I toyed around with this idea, but it's easy for customers to make new accounts and throw them away, vendors have more to lose than the average customer.
Would be really hard to control scammers and spammers, since making accounts is like taking a walk.
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Even though the customer to vendor ratio is probably 10,000-1 i reckon there are still more scamming vendors than customers.
Fix your selves first,lead by example.
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I swear to god this i3lazd motherfucker just messaged my new account asking for samples. There are literally professional beggar and scammer customers. He has been reported to staff.
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I think the problem is that a buyer can come back up in a matter of minutes and scam again. There's really nothing much to stop it because of TOR and bitcoins anonymity.
The same can be said for vendors, but those can be scrutinized and have to at least pay money to become a vendor. Doing that takes time and money - even though a scamming vendor can easily overcome their deposit rather quickly it's still a deterrent.
Not saying it's perfect, but by looking at it from that perspective I can see why they do it that way.
As a vendor you can always report a suspect buyer, but even if we delete the account they could buy from you again right away.
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We need to make a banned list for all vendors to see,,, I will have a blackballed list on my page as I go along this Road
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It seems like buyers have free reign to scam and spam vendors and the forums without consequence. Considering vendor accounts can be suspended and demoted by staff due to misconduct, I vote that buyer accounts who frequently spam vendors, attempt to scam vendors and spam and beg in the forums should be investigated and either suspended or banned based on the discretion of administrators. This would set a precedent against scams and cluttering up the forums.
Would a small escrow (0.25btc) for buyer accounts solve the problem? It would cut down on new buyer accounts for sure, but may improve the quality of the buyers.
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It seems like buyers have free reign to scam and spam vendors and the forums without consequence. Considering vendor accounts can be suspended and demoted by staff due to misconduct, I vote that buyer accounts who frequently spam vendors, attempt to scam vendors and spam and beg in the forums should be investigated and either suspended or banned based on the discretion of administrators. This would set a precedent against scams and cluttering up the forums.
Would a small escrow (0.25btc) for buyer accounts solve the problem? It would cut down on new buyer accounts for sure, but may improve the quality of the buyers.
Spot on sir, but I think slightly more will definitely do the trick +1
Meerkovo
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Paying a small fee and losing your buyer stats should be enough incentive not to be a perpetual moocher. I imagine it must suck having to create a new buyer account, because it sure as fuck sucks opening a new vendor account.
I'm speaking of bans in extreme instances, such as when a buyer account has been flagged, staff opens their inbox and they send off spam messages to vendors all day for example.
I think the fact that a buyer can literally use Stexo's vendor index and spam every vendor on Silk Road without consequence, or spam the forums asking for spare change completely appalling.
Also. I hate to bring up an old topic and beat a dead horse. BUT... MY SELLER ACCOUNT WAS BANNED FOR SENDING A VAGUE THREAT TO THE MOST PERSISTENT SCAMMER BASTARD ON SILK ROAD.
Why are assholes like i3zlad protected from their actions, and I get fucking shafted?
I've got about 140 votes in my thread. Most people think I should not have been banned. When does it become a petition?
So where's the fucking logic here?
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I think the least that could be done (for spamming) is some sort of limit on the frequency of messages being sent on a buyer account, except in cases when the vendor repeatedly responds to said messages.
i.e limit of 10 messages an hour (completely arbitrary) to different vendors on a buyer account, but messages can be sent without limit as long as the vendor continues responding.
Not sure if it would work though.
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i think buyers haveing to put up a small bond would help. could be optional but venders would by able to see it in the buyer stats, might help seperate the serious from the riffraff.
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I swear to god this i3lazd motherfucker just messaged my new account asking for samples. There are literally professional beggar and scammer customers. He has been reported to staff.
Wow. That's bullshit right there. That'd piss me off bad. Especially after the scumbag got your account turned over? I was reading on a thread that he's actually a pretty known scammer/beggar. I didn't know this til now. Cat piss bro. Seriously. This guy needs taken into a dark alley and R kelly'd.
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R kelly'd? piss on him like he's a 12 yr old girl?
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Just ignore the spammers and panhandlers. Or send them a polite, boilerplate, fuck off.
We got a sample request from i3zlad today also. He's on a few blacklists. Bruce, get yourself a vendor tag and join the vendor roundtable. Misery loves company. And we're all miserable and would happily welcome you there.
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R kelly'd? piss on him like he's a 12 yr old girl?
Glitter on his face, wig with pigtails, a tutu, and a wand to tap on his head when the ritual is complete. Psssssss. Here's your sample LOL
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R kelly'd? piss on him like he's a 12 yr old girl?
I think he meant Chris Brown. Or maybe he just wants to pee on people. I'm not sure really. I pee on lots of people in alleys... Sometimes I even get paid for it. I'm a well-known porn star in my spare time who specializes in pissing on people. I got my trademark firehose technique down and everything. You can't piss with boner though so you have to remain professional. I practice on homeless people.
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Just ignore the spammers and panhandlers. Or send them a polite, boilerplate, fuck off.
We got a sample request from i3zlad today also. He's on a few blacklists. Bruce, get yourself a vendor tag and join the vendor roundtable. Misery loves company. And we're all miserable and would happily welcome you there.
I had a vendor tag and hung out in the roundtable. Until I got banned for threatening to send i3zlad a jenkem grenade in the mail and I got my account suspended. Lol now I'm a new vendor, or I'm GroovyBruce-Rep? I found a new business partner and am on vacation.
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Even though the customer to vendor ratio is probably 10,000-1 i reckon there are still more scamming vendors than customers.
Fix your selves first,lead by example.
If you ever become a vendor... well all I can say is good luck. You're in for a treat. In your early days, set aside $$$ for feedback blackmail payoffs. And bring lube. You're gonna need it.
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Just ignore the spammers and panhandlers. Or send them a polite, boilerplate, fuck off.
We got a sample request from i3zlad today also. He's on a few blacklists. Bruce, get yourself a vendor tag and join the vendor roundtable. Misery loves company. And we're all miserable and would happily welcome you there.
I had a vendor tag and hung out in the roundtable. Until I got banned for threatening to send i3zlad a jenkem grenade in the mail and I got my account suspended. Lol now I'm a new vendor, or I'm GroovyBruce-Rep? I found a new business partner and am on vacation.
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Damn. Shit. WTF? They took that "threat" as serious and not in jest? i3zlad's a toxic POS that's been on the blacklists for a while now. HTF did they take his side?
Did not know that. Sorry bro. +Karma just because that's messed up. I guess they must have taken it to mean you were keeping addresses. I don't know. That sucks.
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Even though the customer to vendor ratio is probably 10,000-1 i reckon there are still more scamming vendors than customers.
Fix your selves first,lead by example.
If you ever become a vendor... well all I can say is good luck. You're in for a treat. In your early days, set aside $$$ for feedback blackmail payoffs. And bring lube. You're gonna need it.
We agree with both. But vendors get blackmailed a lot!
We had a good amount of MDMA listings and we had positive feedback from everyone until today. We had a new buyer that we required to FE..... 20 days later, the buyer (our definition, less than 5 transactions and spent less than $200 on the road) just changed the feedback to a 1 out of 5. We just sent a buyer a message because he/she is claiming that our MDMA tested good with the Mecke but when he/she rolled there was no MDMA effect..Buyer claims that he/she threw away the rest of it in the trash can. We will keep you guys updated on our vendor page and thread with this.
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Even though the customer to vendor ratio is probably 10,000-1 i reckon there are still more scamming vendors than customers.
Fix your selves first,lead by example.
If you ever become a vendor... well all I can say is good luck. You're in for a treat. In your early days, set aside $$$ for feedback blackmail payoffs. And bring lube. You're gonna need it.
We agree with both. But vendors get blackmailed a lot!
We had a good amount of MDMA listings and we had positive feedback from everyone until today. We had a new buyer that we required to FE..... 20 days later, the buyer (our definition, less than 5 transactions and spent less than $200 on the road) just changed the feedback to a 1 out of 5. We just sent a buyer a message because he/she is claiming that our MDMA tested good with the Mecke but when he/she rolled there was no MDMA effect..Buyer claims that he/she threw away the rest of it in the trash can. We will keep you guys updated on our vendor page and thread with this.
probably some mdma noob didn't do any research and took while on ssris or something like that
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Bruce.....how about you just hit the delete button and not even read it?
I hear everything you are saying...and we all know that a buyer can just register a new account in 30 seconds. And putting a .25 or whatever btc charge for a buyer account is NEVER going to happen.
Though someone like the scumbag you are talking about should have his account banned. Someone that is consistent like he is, for as long as he has been, should be banned. BUT it is also just very easy to delete his messages and do not respond. As vendors...we have to be able to put up with losers like this. It is sad that we have to, as most of us... just break even or at best make enough profit to just buy shipping supply's.
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Well I definitely learned my lesson. But I'm pretty sure if I don't get my old account reinstated I'm retiring soon. I don't even give a shit about the bond on my new account at this point. 6 days without an order and nothing but an inbox full of spam and the prospect with having to deal with a malicious customer as a new vendor and having to act accordingly is just making me say fuck it. The fact that staff chose the side of a scammer instead of me when I've pumped a fair share of my free time and personality and definitely commission into this place; and getting banned for fucking around on benzos and making a troll thread is disheartening to say the least.
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We need to make a banned list for all vendors to see,,, I will have a blackballed list on my page as I go along this Road
There is a banned list of buyers in the vendors roundtable.
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We need to make a banned list for all vendors to see,,, I will have a blackballed list on my page as I go along this Road
There is a banned list of buyers in the vendors roundtable.
The issue Bruce has... is that this person is sending him messages asking him for free drugs. And because of this...Bruce being high...lost his account because of the interaction he had with him...and since he lost his account..he has no orders on his new one. So he is pissed that this loser didn't lose his account but Bruce did.
The fact is that Bruce broke the rules...and because of that..he lost his account. And he is clearly frustrated by that. But it is all his fault. Bullshit or not(I happen to think he should never have lost his account...but my opinion means nothing) the facts are...that by SR rules...he should lose his vendor privileges.. And in the end...it was Bruce's fault. Sad but true. No one to blame but himself..and Libby ;)
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.and Libby ;)
LOL. Fuckin King.. this guy. :)
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Meh.
Retirement is something I've been thinking about for awhile. I actually don't hold any resentment toward Libertas any longer, he was doing is job and acted within his authority given to him by DPR. The fact that I no longer hold any resentment toward him doesn't mean I'd have a beer with him or anything; but I fucked up. I pounded out a final personal appeal to DPR a few hours ago in hope I can have my old account back, but I'm not holding my breath. I offered alternative punishments including keeping my $500 vendor bond on my new account as a fine, a two week suspension and some other alternative discipline. But if he withholds his decision I will no longer contest it and will be lowering prices on some harder to move stock on my new account as a going out of business sale and retiring.
I've barely turned a profit vending due to constantly giving out free shit and whatnot + the epic bitcoin crash and make most of my money on other forums and offering my services elsewhere. It's been fun but being a new vendor sucks. It's just shitty to go out like this after putting in so much effort for essentially nothing. I started vending off $150 and some borrowed shipping supplies and random shit I had accumulated and turned it into a small business. I'd rather sell off my stock and retire and keep my principles than be a part of an enterprise that doesn't appreciate the effort I put into vending. This isn't even mentioning my buyer account, which I could have bought a fleet of used cars with my total amount spent. I like to consider myself an asset to Silk Road, if not a bit fucked in the head on occasion.
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Meh.
Retirement is something I've been thinking about for awhile. I actually don't hold any resentment toward Libertas any longer, he was doing is job and acted within his authority given to him by DPR. The fact that I no longer hold any resentment toward him doesn't mean I'd have a beer with him or anything; but I fucked up. I pounded out a final personal appeal to DPR a few hours ago in hope I can have my old account back, but I'm not holding my breath. I offered alternative punishments including keeping my $500 vendor bond on my new account as a fine, a two week suspension and some other alternative discipline. But if he withholds his decision I will no longer contest it and will be lowering prices on some harder to move stock on my new account as a going out of business sale and retiring.
I've barely turned a profit vending due to constantly giving out free shit and whatnot + the epic bitcoin crash and make most of my money on other forums and offering my services elsewhere. It's been fun but being a new vendor sucks. It's just shitty to go out like this after putting in so much effort for essentially nothing. I started vending off $150 and some borrowed shipping supplies and random shit I had accumulated and turned it into a small business. I'd rather sell off my stock and retire and keep my principles than be a part of an enterprise that doesn't appreciate the effort I put into vending. This isn't even mentioning my buyer account, which I could have bought a fleet of used cars with my total amount spent. I like to consider myself an asset to Silk Road, if not a bit fucked in the head on occasion.
Wow.. that really sucks Bruce :-\
FWIW, I think what happened to you was utter bullshit. I think common sense dictates that you didn't really do anything wrong other then a harmless, victimless joke! Jesus. I know I'm not alone in that sentiment.
For a well liked, honorable, upstanding members of the SR community (not to mention someone whos provided great financial gain to SR as a business both as a vendor and buyer) to go out this way fucking sucks.
Hope DPR rethinks his decision in the name of common sense and looking at the 'bigger picture'.
Good luck brother..
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This is your best post yet...and it says the truth. You are correct that Libby just did his job...and that ultimately is was your fault 100%.
BUT.....
Clearly you should have been disciplined and not had your account taken away. As that is just silly you did. Your story is a perfect example of how rules should not be black and white. There is a grey area. And I HATE that they.... DPR and LIBBY, didn't differentiate the difference of you keeping an address...and him sending it to you without ever being a customer.
And I believe that your previous personal interactions with Libby hurt you in this. And I think DPR could not take your punishment away as it would undermine Libby.
I have a lot of respect for DPR...and he has done a remarkable job with this place. And he has a ton of decisions that he has to act on...and truthfully he does a magnificent job. On this one...he blew it. BUT you have to respect him. And clearly you do. Libby on the other hand......well I will say that I believe her/his only goal is to make the road a better place. And some of the things they have done....such as making all the categories on SR is really really really good. And I think they have the right intentions. But in reading through everything that happened...and their comments on this...and their actions....anyone with a brain can see how you got railroaded.
Yes you broke the rules..but clearly you got punishment that was unjust. Just the fact DPR said he hopes you get a new account shows how silly it is to ban the one you had. I just think this is a dead horse. I hope DPR changes him mind...and for that matter I hope Libby does too.
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..There is a grey area. And I HATE that they.... DPR and LIBBY, didn't differentiate the difference of you keeping an address...and him sending it to you without ever being a customer.
And I believe that your previous personal interactions with Libby hurt you in this. And I think DPR could not take your punishment away as it would undermine Libby...
+1. That about sums up this entire silly fiasco perfectly.
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AIDS ??? WTF ??? LOL