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Discussion => Silk Road discussion => Topic started by: Jack N Hoff on April 30, 2013, 04:22 am
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Couldn't SR be on TOR hidden services, freenet and I2P at the same time? I would like someone with a lot more technical knowledge about freenet and I2P to chime in.
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Couldn't SR be on TOR hidden services, freenet and I2P at the same time? I would like someone with a lot more technical knowledge about freenet and I2P to chime in.
What is the difference?
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Couldn't SR be on TOR hidden services, freenet and I2P at the same time? I would like someone with a lot more technical knowledge about freenet and I2P to chime in.
What is the difference?
If it was on all three then if it is being attacked on TOR then we could access it via I2P or freenet. This sounds very possible. We need some technically savvy people to come weigh in on this.
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Where the hell are our fellow techies at?!?
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I don't have a tech solution but from a simple business standpoint it's rather simple. Buyers/vendors DON'T do business on competing sites. Just DONT.
I'm not outright saying they are behind this. But, ask yourselves who has the most to gain from SR's operations being interrupted?
NOT LE. LE would'nt want to keep DDoSing the site forever. Remember, a DDoS just renders the site in a state of paralysis by clogging it. It doesn't "destroy" it. The second a DDoS stops, the site goes back up. So LE would not employ such a tactic. Am I the only one that realizes this? They'd want to make headlines by nailing people.. which they can't so far. Just DDoSing the site for eternity will do fuckall for their political agenda.
Right? So, then ask yourself. Who has the most to gain? Follow the money trail.
BUT, if we DO NOT flinch and buy/sell anywhere else... eventually the attacker will give up when their plan proves a waste of resources and time.
Please people.. think about it. Contact your trusted vendors and figure it out with them if need be. But KEEP YOUR BTC OFF COMPETING SITES.
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It would be possible, but you have to count in that the I2P Network is alot smaller then the Tor Network, so if you are SR itself use a secure VPN to save the server location another time, something payed with bitcoins for example, probably even clever routing to protect the real server location.
For Vendors i would do the same, lots of howtos would have to be written, I2P is geekready, but nothing else.
I still say instead of that just fuck LE and everyone else in the internet in the face, we have enough forces in the net that are capable of protecting server locations even in the clearnet. And i doubt that anyone at the cyberbunker team would refuse to host the biggest online-drug market, aslong as its drugs only.
If you doubt that ... why is the piratebay still running you think ?
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I don't have a tech solution but from a simple business standpoint it's rather simple. Buyers/vendors DON'T do business on competing sites. Just DONT.
I'm not outright saying they are behind this. But, ask yourselves who has the most to gain from SR's operations being interrupted?
NOT LE. LE would'nt want to keep DDoSing the site forever. Remember, a DDoS just renders the site in a state of paralysis by clogging it. It doesn't "destroy" it. The second a DDoS stops, the site goes back up. So LE would not employ such a tactic. Am I the only one that realizes this? They'd want to make headlines by nailing people.. which they can't so far. Just DDoSing the site for eternity will do fuckall for their political agenda.
Right? So, then ask yourself. Who has the most to gain? Follow the money trail.
BUT, if we DO NOT flinch and buy/sell anywhere else... eventually the attacker will give up when their plan proves a waste of resources and time.
Please people.. think about it. Contact your trusted vendors and figure it out with them if need be. But KEEP YOUR BTC OFF COMPETING SITES.
Wrong thread man. I'm talking about hosting SR on not only TOR hidden services but also freenet and I2P. Freenet and I2P are other anonymous networks where websites can be hosted.
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If you doubt that ... why is the piratebay still running you think ?
The Pirate Bay plans on hosting from quadcopter drones flying just out above international waters.
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Its an idea I2P is newer than tor so not as much research has been done. It is also a bit faster and harder to attack from a DDOS stand point. Tor client is ran with C while I2P is ran using Java so the I2P has a bit more of a memory footprint than then Tor. I2P is a closed network so unlike Tor where exit nodes can connect you to clearnet sites on an I2P client it would be rather hard to get it to connect to clearnet sites.Fun Fact I2P is used a lot for aynoumus torrents.
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If you doubt that ... why is the piratebay still running you think ?
The Pirate Bay plans on hosting from quadcopter drones flying just out above international waters.
They havent moved out of western europe since its start, all the "we are hosted in north korea" stuff was just clever routing.
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If you doubt that ... why is the piratebay still running you think ?
The Pirate Bay plans on hosting from quadcopter drones flying just out above international waters.
They havent moved out of western europe since its start, all the "we are hosted in north korea" stuff was just clever routing.
I know. I said planning :)
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As far as the SR web server and its wideband connection are not seemed to be bottlenecks there is an opinion about the SR tor connection full of DDoS shit only. Thus I can offer the next scheme:
http://p36m5hd45u2xtdyg.onion/1.jpeg
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I don't have a tech solution but from a simple business standpoint it's rather simple. Buyers/vendors DON'T do business on competing sites. Just DONT.
I'm not outright saying they are behind this. But, ask yourselves who has the most to gain from SR's operations being interrupted?
NOT LE. LE would'nt want to keep DDoSing the site forever. Remember, a DDoS just renders the site in a state of paralysis by clogging it. It doesn't "destroy" it. The second a DDoS stops, the site goes back up. So LE would not employ such a tactic. Am I the only one that realizes this? They'd want to make headlines by nailing people.. which they can't so far. Just DDoSing the site for eternity will do fuckall for their political agenda.
Right? So, then ask yourself. Who has the most to gain? Follow the money trail.
BUT, if we DO NOT flinch and buy/sell anywhere else... eventually the attacker will give up when their plan proves a waste of resources and time.
Please people.. think about it. Contact your trusted vendors and figure it out with them if need be. But KEEP YOUR BTC OFF COMPETING SITES.
you might be surprised...
LE and govt officials are deep in the trough of mafia / organised crimes and would be lobbying on their behalf in the 'name of the law' as to make sure their back handers keep coming...just like in ALL enterprise scale business.
I think it is as plausible that LE/GOV are doing this as much as Atlantis and BMR.
I am a badge wearing SR kook and vendor, but to say that all competition are either dodgy, but also not immune to simmilar DoS extortion attempts (assuming this has an ounce of truth to it (http://www.news.com.au/technology/biztech/online-drug-marketplace-silk-road-held-to-ransom-by-hackers/story-fn5lic6c-1226632387149)
basically, I think you have too much speculation in your heart-on-sleeve statements sorry mate :)
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HavenCo on Sealand (the worlds smallest "country") my friends,
"The company announced that it had become operational in December 2000 and that its Acceptable Use Policy prohibited child pornography, spamming, and malicious hacking - but that all other content was acceptable. It claimed that it had no restrictions on copyright or intellectual property for data hosted on its servers, arguing that as Sealand was not a member of the World Trade Organization or WIPO, international intellectual property law did not apply."
DPR should get in contact with these fellows and create some sort of agreement for lifetime hosting or something.
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HavenCo on Sealand (the worlds smallest "country") my friends,
"The company announced that it had become operational in December 2000 and that its Acceptable Use Policy prohibited child pornography, spamming, and malicious hacking - but that all other content was acceptable. It claimed that it had no restrictions on copyright or intellectual property for data hosted on its servers, arguing that as Sealand was not a member of the World Trade Organization or WIPO, international intellectual property law did not apply."
DPR should get in contact with these fellows and create some sort of agreement for lifetime hosting or something.
He wont host an illegal drug marketplace. That is against United Nation's policies. He already refused to host shit for people. He's only interested in gambling and copyrighted material. Also that place isn't even a real country. Norway extended their boundaries many years ago but nobody cares about that guy because he isn't a threat to anything. They can remove him and get rid of that tiny ass place anytime they want.
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He wont host an illegal drug website. That is against United Nation's policies. He already refused to host shit for people. He's only interested in gambling and copyrighted material. Also that place isn't even a real country. Norway extended their boundaries many years ago but nobody cares about that guy because he isn't a threat to anything. They can remove him and get rid of that tiny ass place anytime they want.
Very true. Plus we'd probably have interment disruptions every time a strong tide or wave comes in..
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i have not much clue but im quite sure LE are not allowed to launch ddos attacks. afterall the server could be hosted by a legit company who is not responsible for dprs actions. Like attacking the mother when the son do criminal things. its not gonna happen in a legal world. I for myself have a strong feeling the russians are behind this attack. Atlantis would be the most obvious explanation. To keep their heads out of the crosshair it is a good idea to make an official statement which declines the truth. Does that make them more trustful? Not in my opinion. If there was a ddos attack in the hacker scene for the past few years, i guess 90% of these attacks came from the russians. Now a russian market place opens its doors and all of the sudden the biggest competitor gets a ddos attack. way to obvious if you ask me.
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Be careful, DOS could be an attempt to do a traffic correlation or traffic timing attack to find the server location or confirm/deny a suspected server location.