Quote from: fumanchu on April 29, 2013, 08:41 pmQuote from: colorblack on April 29, 2013, 05:50 pmIf you aren't going to stick around during the bad times, then don't bother coming back for the good times.What the fuck is that supposed to mean?So what, we're somehow "expected" to just stick it out here, no matter how bad it gets, no matter how much our safety, security, and freedom may be compromised? Why? Because in your mind, DPR and SR are "for the people?" Get your head out of your ass.You seem to be overlooking one very critical piece of information; DPR is making millions off our business here. Do you believe for a single minute that DPR has done the things he's done for SR, because he's a good guy with upstanding moral values? Fuck no. He's kept this place running and has put on the "rogue leader" front for you guys, simply so he can further his own best interest; raking in ever more commission off these sales... Is it possible he's an upstanding guy, with a strong moral compass? Totally. In fact, it's actually quite likely (I personally get good vibes; but that doesn't count for shit when its just text you're reading online). However, is he doing what he's doing because he's looking out for the good/safety of the customers, or is he acting out of any sense of "loyalty" to the countless thousands (millions?) of paying customers who have helped him get to this point? Absolutely fucking not. Any action he takes on here, period, is to further his bottom line. I'm not hating or saying that's a bad thing; I'm just saying lets not get all foolish and naive in thinking DPR's actions are the result of any "loyalty first" attitude towards his customers and this community. When you're making tens of millions of dollars per year; it's sort of in your best interest to stick around as admin and make sure the site is operating smoothly and safely so you can continue drawing in those huge profits.I maintain the only reason DPR has stuck around here through thick and thin is because of the profits, and its naive to fool yourself into thinking otherwise... Again, I know this sounds like I'm hating on DPR and SR, but I am absolutely not. If I were in his shoes; the only thing that would keep me sticking around as admin in today's dangerous public/legal spotlight would be that 25 mil/year salary... This is not to say DPR has no interest in maintaining the functionality and safety/efficacy of the site for users; of course he does. In fact, that's priority number one for him. I believe DPR created this from a place of utmost sincerity, passion and integrity. Unfortunately I also feel that DPR has let this place slip drastically. It's on it's way out... LE is working the case and has been for about a year and a half or better now. What's taking so long, you ask? Well, its a matter of huge coordination between LE agencies to pull off a bust of the scale of SR. This takes lots of time, lots of evidence building, lots of cooperation between local/state/federal LE agencies, etc. Not to mention, the feds have never seen anything like this. They've busted countless drug dealers, criminal networks, cartels, etc over the past decades, but nothing in their prior experience has prepared them for taking out an organization like SR. Typical LE methods don't work here; they can't bust one of us and coerce us into snitching the rest out (we couldn't talk even if we wanted to; as we know nothing), they can't tap our phones and discern drop locations and associated criminal contacts, and they can't set up a sting purchase by giving an undercover a wad of cash to go in and make a purchase. That is what is taking them so long. I feel like a lot of people here have entirely forgotten the most crucial part of LE in the USA (and most other first world countries); they have resources that the majority of us do not. They are currently hard at work (and have been for almost a couple years now) gathering and compiling data and evidence, slowly unraveling this whole thing, connecting the dots one by one, and watching and waiting intently for DPR to slip up.The day is coming; and its coming very soon. I hope and pray I remain an overlooked needle in the haystack of the potential millions who are on SR or have used it in the past. However, I find it hard to believe that they won't sweep up a large group of buyers alongside the obvious vendors and site admin... I have a feeling LE is going to make a HUGE deal out of this bust. This is going to be front page news everywhere. The DEA and associated LE agencies are going to play this up as the biggest "cyer-drug bust" in history and I'm sure they will claim they've stopped one of the biggest drug rings in the country, just to prove your tax dollars are being put to good use. The goal of any LE agency is to perpetuate itself; and I'm sure they will use the SR bust as a platform to drum up funding and create new "cyber drug units," whose expertise will be put to use solely toward digital free-markets such as SR.Now back to DPR. I personally do not feel like he's doing enough. Then again, I am relatively computer naive when it comes to anonymous networks like Tor and cryptography and the various crypto-currencies. But first off, I feel like not enough has been invested into site security. We've been hacked how many times? The phishing scams, the SR Direct Deposit scam, the DDoS bombs we've been hit with over and over, etc... And those are just a few that we know about. I find myself wondering how many times somebody has gotten into the server and database that we don't know about. I suspect it's quite a few. I just cant seem to believe that we're at the "cutting edge" of anonymity technology and security when we can't go a month without a hack, scam, or DDoS attack... I won't criticize too harshly however, because like I said I know very little about such things, and ultimately what do I know? Perhaps DPR is investing heavily into security/anonymity for all. But something just doesn't seem right...Getting back to the OP's comment;The bottom line is that I'm going to go wherever I feel is safest, and act according to my best interest as a customer. Has DPR done a lot for this community? Has he provided a solid moral ground for us to operate under? Has he revolutionized the way we do business and forever changed the face of the game? Of course. But let us not forget; he's done these things because that is what we are paying him to do. This is not some loyalty service he is providing for us, free of charge and out of the goodness of his heart. He's making HUGE sums of money to maintain an online interface in which he makes a commission off every sale arranged here; therefore his motivations are primarily financial in interest... let's be honest if there was no commission being made, DPR woulda fled the scene a long time ago. So by what logic do we "owe him" our loyalty here?He provided a service for us, because we paid him to do it. Was fun while it lasted, and I'd love to stick around but don't think for a minute that my loyalty as a consumer is somehow owed to SR. If SR doesn't get it's shit together with these DDoS attacks, if they don't attempt to cap the newbies, and if they don't invest and implement better security/anonymity features; I'll be the first to admit that I'm high-tailing it out of here and moving on over to one of the competitor sites. Love you DPR, you're a beautiful person who has done great things... I will be loyal to an extent, but my "loyalty" is contingent upon you making intelligent decisions, improving the functionality/accessibility/anonymity of the site, and flying beneath LE radar as much as possible. Once those things go out the window; so do I.1) How is your freedom, security or freedom compromised? Let me break it down for you - your freedom/safety/security was compromised the SECOND you set foot in the world of Silk Road.Before any of this shit went down, when you were happily buying drugs delivered straight to your door and enjoying your little half grams of coke and whatever.. you made your choice. Don't delude yourself. Everyone takes a risk using this site for it's purpose. You aren't special. You're not "expected" to do anything. You're an adult, and most adults should be grateful to someone/something that they've benefited from. But that's your call. 2) That's awesome he's making tens of millions of dollars a year. No, it's FUCKING awesome. He's doing what you probably wish you could. I know I wish I could. And he's doing it. Good for him. Do you whine that Steve Jobs was making billions of your ipad and macbook pro? He was worshipped as an innovator, as a genius, as a modern day Albert Einstein and nobody had a problem with him making money. Did Jobs or DPR for that matter ever hold a gun to your head and say "PAY ME OR DIE?" No! You used your money to buy a product and you got that product. And in fact the product DPR has is fucking genius. Nobody else did it right the way he did. Why shouldn't he be a millionaire? Should he do it for free? Are you jealous? Do you think maintaining a site/forum like this, being on every fucking law enforcement agencies most wanted list, having people constantly DDOSing your servers, having to deal with scammers and all kinds of shit, interface with the press, and keep this site running so YOUR ungrateful ass can get high doesn't warrant compensation? I'm assuming you earn a living somehow. Do YOU work for free?? I bet you enjoy your income, and if you could you'd do everything possible to increase it. So fuck off with this "DPR is a millionaire therefore he's a greedy self serving evil capitalist manipulating us". I've interacted with the guy through private message several times for something, and let me tell you something.. the guy is a class act. I will never get into details, but I have seen first hand what he is behind the scenes. 3) The fact that LE would love to shut this place down is not a secret. There's nothing new about what you're saying. It almost sounds like you're hopeful they take this place down. In fact, you say say that you hope you're a "needle in a haystack" if that happens. Hahahahah. What a pathetic little bitch you are. So, you want to be able to buy drugs and have all the fun in the world.. yet you want others to "pay for the crime" if that day comes? You remind of the mean spirited obnoxious kid in high school that would run and hide at the first sign of trouble.. and not hesitate to rat someone out to save his own ass. You must not be very well liked IRL. I don't know you and I don't like you on HERE. Your sentiments are absolutely overflowing with disgusting selfishnesses. Everything is about YOU. Well you know what? Fuck your selfish musings. In fact, I hope any vendor reading this post sees your post and refuses to vend to you. IN FACT again, any vendor who vends to him.. everytime this guy places an order, refuse him, and PM me, I'll cover the cost of his order just to spite this selfish fuck.I mean it. 4)If you feel like he's not doing enough then LEAVE. Why are you still here? If you've read this far that means you're still here, which bothers me. Just leave. 5) So you're in effect, blackmailing DPR to cater to your needs otherwise you will take your business elsewhere? HAHAHA. Dude, I have no way of knowing how much business you give to this place, but it's a "needle in the haystack" (to use your own words) compared what other people SINGLE HANDEDLY happily spend in 1 week. You think you threatening to go to a competing site means anything to anyone? Fuck no it doesn't. You will not be missed, one bit. This place is awesome, and will continue to be awesome. LE can't touch it, otherwise they would have. Do some research, there was a CP investigation in which the FBI admitted that they TOR has rendered their efforts useless. LE will never be able to "touch" DPR or the Silk Road infrastructure. They WILL be able to get idiots. And this poster seems like very prime idiot real estate. But I wouldnt wish that on him either. I'm a criminal just like everyone else here, but I don't bite the hand that feeds me. This place will succeed, and has overcome EVERY SINGLE ONE OF ITS CHALLENGES through the years. In fact it's time like these that purge the weak from the strong. Fumanchu.. run along now. Atlantis is taking new members. So is BMR. Better yet, try Topix.VIVA SILK ROAD.