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Support => Customer support => Topic started by: phunky on August 31, 2013, 01:47 am
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Hi,
I have messaged the vendor asking for a partial refund. The order has already been finalized. I have never been through this process before but I feel like I deserve a bit of a refund because methamphetamine is a serious active cut and not something that should be getting sold as cocaine.
What else can I do?
Thanks.
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First off how can you be so sure about it being "cut" with methamphetamine? Next, have you taken it up with the vendor through private messages? You always have the ability to modify your feedback as a way to comment on a completed transaction.
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I used Marquis, Mecke, Mandelin, and Simon reagents to establish the presence of Methamphetamine, as well as had a sample tested by a harm reduction organization in my area. I became suspicious after the stuff kept me awake way longer than it should have.
I PM'd the vendor and am just waiting to hear back. Just wanted to make sure that's all I can do. Also I don't want to "threaten" the vendor with bad feedback or forum publicity because I don't want to get put on some scammer list or something -- I have perfect stats and have never had a refund or problem with 10+ vendors and over $3000 of transactions, and don't want this one vendor's screw up to cause me a bigger headache than the waste of money already has.
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I think this "blacklist" bullshit by vendors is really starting to subvert proper market dynamics. Left and right you see people getting their shit only after weeks or as in this case getting faulty product but they don't dare to do anything for fear of not being able to buy anything anymore.
Tony76 would be proud.....
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Good points- and yes, you're doing this right. Give the vendor sometime to make this right and keep a close eye on any threads associated to this concern.
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From my experience, the "stand up" vendors will dialogue with you and address your concerns. You may or may not receive any sort of resolution from them, but they will at least give you some sort of explanation. On the other hand, if what you are saying is true and the vendor is aware of it there is a pretty good chance you will hear nothing. Hope you get it worked out, keep us updated.
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Thanks.
And I know with cocaine you can never expect 100% pure Cocaine HCL (not possible as a powder), and I wouldn't even care if it was cut further with something inert like vitamin C. But meth? That's just not cool with me at all. Besides the fact that I don't like amphetamines and don't want meth anywhere near me, it's simply an active cut and it can seriously compound the health risks. I believe it's the vendor's responsibility to either test what they sell and make a choice to not sell it if it's cut with something like meth, or advertise what it's cut with, OR factor in the cost of doing business with people who actually care about what they're getting and just keep your customers happy. Hopefully this vendor falls into that category.
While we're on the topic, same applies for levasimole -- vendors need to test for this shit or get out of the game IMO. That shit is deadly and I would argue it's just plain wrong and recklessly irresponsible to NOT be testing your cocaine for it as a vendor, when the trend up until 2009 (last data) was that levasimole was becoming exponentially prevalent in confiscated cocaine in North America (something like 80% of the cases found levasimole present). Thus it is not a small risk and they are not minor consequences.
I don't expect vendors to test for everything under the sun, but they can at least test for the most common and dangerous cuts that reagent kits can detect -- which are cheap -- and EZ test kits are pretty inexpensive too (~$80 for 10 tests) which can test for levasimole. Assuming the brick they get is consistent in its mixture, they only need to test it once, meaning the cost spread across every gram they sell is very minimal and can be covered by increasing product cost by probably less than a couple bucks. (edit: I would also add that it is equally the buyer's responsibility to test what they receive to the extent possible otherwise accept the consequences.)
Anyway, I realize this is not exactly the appropriate section of the forum for this rant, however I feel my thoughts on all of this are relevant for any consideration that goes towards how to improve SR as a whole.
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Who's the vendor? I'm curious to know. If it is true then that's a heart attack waiting to happen....
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Yeah, you should name the vendor, and please update with any information or resolution you receive.
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You are doing the right thing in seeking a resolution privately with the vendor in the first instance, depending on how that goes you can then decide on whether to post a warning to others or not.
If you have conclusive proof of your allegations and the vendor is unresponsive to you then you should definitely name them, meth is not an active cut I would want in anything I purchased off SR.
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who is the vendor?
take care
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I am giving them one more day to respond before making it public, I'm trying to be as fair as possible here. Though it appears they logged in today and have still not responded. They were quick in all communications up until this so it's pretty sad if this is how it has to be.
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Well SHIT ON ME...
Tested another vendor's cola today it came up positive for methamphetamine as well. This one from Canada. Giving them a chance to respond as well. Neither vendor has listings up right now so at least nobody is buying more of this bullshit.
This is infuriating. >.<
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OK, I gave these vendors a chance to make right these fucked up situations before calling them out publicly. I was direct, courteous, and more than fair in trying to seek resolution with them. So all that is left to do for me is try and help others avoid this garbage.
TAKE RESPONSIBILITY, as I did, to test what you buy if you care at all about what you're putting in your body. AND I IMPLORE YOU, DO NOT just take my word for it here. In fact, do not take anyone's word without a grain of salt.
I am sure these vendors will come on with their shill forum accounts and try to discredit me. That's fine, because I am only here to encourage people to test what they buy, and if these vendors stop selling shit that's cut with meth, then everyone wins. If someone else says they tested something and it came up clean, you have to decide for yourself whether or not you believe they are telling the truth or are who they say they are. Nobody besides yourself can ensure what you have is not deadly, especially not these particular vendors. Personal responsibility is the ethos here afterall.
I bought from these guys because they have been around for a while and because they've gotten at least some praise. From now on I'm just going to warn vendors ahead of time that I will be testing their product and not to bother sending me product if there is a chance it's going to turn up positive for methamphetamine cut.
*********** WARNING -- GODOFALL ************
godofall , officially blacklisted for selling cocaine cut with methamphetamine.
Great customer service right up until the point where I had a problem, sadly. Then he simply ignored my messages. This was 3.5g of his "acetone washed" new stuff -- $480 for an 8ball of the "more mellow high" (I guess he meant mellow compared to straight meth because this stuff was not mellow at all) -- this is the stuff he apparently spent 2 months trying to find after a long string of very bad quality coke began to deteriorate his reputation. I guess he couldn't and decided to settle for dirty coke.
The worst part is I initially brought my water test results to him, saying I was surprised to see what looked like about 10% of the cocaine not dissolving. He responded and said his test showed the same thing and that he was OK with me publishing my review. I thought that was pretty honest. I think this also shows he was unaware it was cut with meth otherwise I don't think he would have been OK with it. Then the next day, he advertised his coke on the forums saying it was his best and had little or even "possibly no cuts at all" in it! Funny... I wonder how it went from definitely having cuts, confirmed by goa himself, to "possibly having no cuts at all" in just a day's time.
Next up...
************ WARNING -- RAILS ***************
RAILS, officially blacklisted for selling cocaine cut with methamphetamine.
Rails at least responded to my messages, but that's most I got from him. Here is how that conversation went:
Rails,
I have some unfortunate news to bring you. What you sent me ([tx id removed], 3.5g cola) was tested and found to be cut with an unknown quantity of methamphetamine. And not for nothing, this is the second out of the last three orders I've made on SR from different cola vendors with the same problem. The test was done using Marquis, Mecke, Mandelin, and Simon reagents and verified by a well-known harm reduction organization.
I would like a partial refund for this -- I think 50% would be reasonable at minimum -- as this is an absolutely *unacceptable* and dangerous cut to find in cocaine. In all honesty a full refund would be the appropriate way to address this since reagent testing kits are cheap, easily available, and so there really is no excuse for this lack of quality control.
I am open to discussing it more with you but ultimately this needs to be made right. I hope you understand the severity of this issue.
Please get back to me as soon as possible.
To which I get this rather rude response:
"Show me proof of your accusations and I will give you a full refund. Obviously it would be impossible for you to prove this to us so no proof = no refund. With that said I like keeping my clients happy. I will send you a gram of my new batch free of charge because you are unhappy. This is in no way us giving in to what you are accusing us of which in my opinion is a pile of shit because are stuff is tested. "
I responded again and kindly asked for a 50% refund, as well as requested that he talk to me like an adult, and that I didn't want another gram, but I was again met with a brick wall response.
What great customer service! >.> I have perfect buyer stats and with over $3000 in transactions from ~15 different vendors over several months, so yeah I guess it makes sense that I would now try and scam one for $160.... right.
I will be doing the test again today so that I can take pictures and will post it here later today. This is the best I can do to help others not get pissed on by these lousy vendors who won't man up and own this bullshit they pulled on me. Don't let them pull the same shit on you.
There is absolutely no way for me to 100% prove anything and I know this. So all I'm saying is that this is two established vendors selling coke cut with meth tells me there are probably more and that EVERYONE SHOULD GET TESTING KITS so these vendors can't get away with this bullshit anymore.
Dancesafe.org for the 4-in-1 reagents (~$65 for about 30-50 worth of tests, which are good for a variety of substances -- I also used them to test some Methylone that was found positive for Methylone but also PMMA, and this potentially saved my life) and EZTestKits.com for cocaine purity and levasimole testing. Start testing your cocaine for these dangerous adulterants. This is the only way to hold the bad vendors accountable. PinneappleLove is no longer doing his lab tests so we need to do what we can.
p.s. -- I did the same tests with Sukey's top quality stuff and it came up *completely clean*, so hats off to one vendor who ISN'T pissing on his customers.
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Would you like me to move this thread to rumor mill now? or perhaps you would prefer to create a new thread there?
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I'll leave it up but I'll lock it as resolved for now.
Anyone wishing to continue this discussion please refer to the new thread as mentioned above.