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Discussion => Newbie discussion => Topic started by: supersaiyan on July 13, 2013, 03:52 pm

Title: Government control of Silk Road?
Post by: supersaiyan on July 13, 2013, 03:52 pm
I'm a newbie on the forums, however I have been using the Silk Road for a good while now, enough to call myself knowledgeable of the market.

Anyway,

I was with some friends a couple nights ago, one of them being a very reputable and well known mushroom hunter/seller in my local area. We were in conversation of sources and products, and I asked him if he had heard of the Silk Road and what his thoughts were of the multimillion dollar drug dealing site. His reply to my question caught me off guard, because he said something along the lines of he and his friends (business partners) believed the Silk Road to be an underground government operation to seal off the fate of the customers and dealers on it. I of course thought his proposition was absurd, but I just wanted to know what you guys think of this statement. I assume most of you believe it's not an operation controlled by the government, considering most of you are using the forums and marketplace for yourself, regardless I would still like to read what thoughts you have about the claim.
Title: Re: Government control of Silk Road?
Post by: cirrus on July 13, 2013, 08:19 pm
I'm not sure where your friend claims to have gotten his information on the matter, but there is no basis in truth for the statement he made.
Title: Re: Government control of Silk Road?
Post by: ReD EyE on July 13, 2013, 08:26 pm
Misconception A side effect of too many musshies  ;D
Title: Re: Government control of Silk Road?
Post by: mojosagii on July 13, 2013, 08:29 pm
and Lee Harvey Oswald did NOT act alone...it was a massive conspiracy involving both the Nixon camp, the Mafia, and a bunch of angry Lesbians....
Title: Re: Government control of Silk Road?
Post by: cirrus on July 13, 2013, 08:31 pm
and Lee Harvey Oswald did NOT act alone...it was a massive conspiracy involving both the Nixon camp, the Mafia, and a bunch of angry Lesbians....

let's not forget the often-blamed Aliens, Bigfoot, Oompa Loompas, and Abominable Snowmen!
Title: Re: Government control of Silk Road?
Post by: mojosagii on July 14, 2013, 04:01 am
Cats asss.....bitches' ass....
Title: Re: Government control of Silk Road?
Post by: why not on July 14, 2013, 05:22 am
Do you ever buy from him? Did you even tell him that you buy stuff off SR? Maybe he was trying to scare you out of using SR so that he can keep your business to himself. Just a thought.
Title: Re: Government control of Silk Road?
Post by: supersaiyan on July 14, 2013, 08:12 pm
Never bought from him, and I mentioned that I've used it multiple times. I think he's just crazy. ^_^
Title: Re: Government control of Silk Road?
Post by: Audiopolis on July 14, 2013, 08:21 pm
You really should be able to get to the bottom of this absurd claim yourself. Are there thousands of users on the forums who have spent thousands of dollars each in the store? Yes. Does the government send drugs to people worldwide to eventually catch them? No, they do not.
Title: Re: Government control of Silk Road?
Post by: JohnJohnerson333 on July 14, 2013, 08:46 pm
While your friends claim that the "whole operation" is a DOJ run sting is absurd, I wouldn't be a bit surprised if they had, or do, pose as sellers or buyers in an attempt to build their case against and collect info against SR and/or it's sellers/user  It seems like if they weren't, they should, as a strategy to build their case.  You would likely have infinitely more to worry about  as a seller, or someone who is moving a lot of coin through the site, than you would being a customer.     
Title: Re: Government control of Silk Road?
Post by: Britney Spears on July 15, 2013, 10:52 pm
Yeah dude, I wouldn't be worried about such absurdity.
Title: Re: Government control of Silk Road?
Post by: Chip Douglas on July 18, 2013, 09:55 am
I'm a newbie on the forums, however I have been using the Silk Road for a good while now, enough to call myself knowledgeable of the market.

Anyway,

I was with some friends a couple nights ago, one of them being a very reputable and well known mushroom hunter/seller in my local area. We were in conversation of sources and products, and I asked him if he had heard of the Silk Road and what his thoughts were of the multimillion dollar drug dealing site. His reply to my question caught me off guard, because he said something along the lines of he and his friends (business partners) believed the Silk Road to be an underground government operation to seal off the fate of the customers and dealers on it. I of course thought his proposition was absurd, but I just wanted to know what you guys think of this statement. I assume most of you believe it's not an operation controlled by the government, considering most of you are using the forums and marketplace for yourself, regardless I would still like to read what thoughts you have about the claim.
I have often imagined such a conspiracy theory.

I don't really picture the "Government" as the government I always did, growing up. With this chain of command, and the DOJ and all. That's all smoke and mirrors at this point in time. Ever wonder where the mafia went? What did Rudy Guiliani clean them out of town? I don't study this shit or anything, in fact I try not to watch any news anymore, because I'm just done being a citizen of this country.

I imagine the mafia regrouped in Chicago, and are now THE GOVERNMENT. Organized Crime, Chicago Gangland, Obama, Holder, Rahm Emmanual get's the mayors job? The mayors brother gets a job with Obama. The smell of corruption pouring out of Washington DC, is worse than at any other time in our nations history!

I think it goes beyond just our shores. Just like organized crime. Technology has brought everyone closer. Isn't that nice? :P
Hollywood writes the scripts for the show called World News Tonight. (pick any channel, they're all reading from the same script).
This very well COULD be run by those who run everything else.

The shit is going to hit the fan one day. Who knows?

This is just a scenario. (Or one of those crappy Sci-Fi Channel movies ::))
Title: Re: Government control of Silk Road?
Post by: supersaiyan on July 25, 2013, 03:07 am
New World Order
Title: Re: Government control of Silk Road?
Post by: monesty on July 25, 2013, 03:27 am
sigh.......................................... If LE controlled SR they wouldn't be doing it for long. They would never win one case if they continually operated a site that is supplying illegal drugs. If SR did get taken over, it might be for 30 days tops (with a court order) and then it gets shut down and whoever they were able to profile gets busted.
Title: Re: Government control of Silk Road?
Post by: psil0 on July 25, 2013, 03:48 am
Even if the government did own the Tor hidden service, it would still be difficult busting vendors and sellers.

Most vendors and sellers communicate with PGP encrypted messages and (hopefully) take serious thought into anti-profiling techniques and maintaining anonymity.
Title: Re: Government control of Silk Road?
Post by: kimlee on July 25, 2013, 03:58 am
The feds are more concerned with money laundering than drugs....
Title: Re: Government control of Silk Road?
Post by: CannabisConsumer on July 25, 2013, 05:16 am
To be honest it's pretty far fetched. Anyone who is not a complete moron uses PGP to communicate securely through the site.

It wouldn't make sense that it's a big government sting unless they're solely relying on the three buyers who don't use PGP or they're storing all PGP encrypted addresses and vendor public keys en masse and plan to decrypt them when  quantum computation actually becomes a real thing.

Both scenarios are highly unlikely because of things like "resources to results ratios" and "statues of limitation".

I personally believe that it's fucking retarded to believe that it's a conspiracy. Although never trust silk road with any unencrypted personally identifying information.
Title: Re: Government control of Silk Road?
Post by: CoolStoryBro on July 25, 2013, 05:47 am
High Guys 8)
Title: Re: Government control of Silk Road?
Post by: pathfinder13 on July 25, 2013, 07:25 am
That's also my point of view: always use PGP for your Identity!
This, together with TOR should make it hard to find out who you really are.

pathfinder
Title: Re: Government control of Silk Road?
Post by: new vendor on July 25, 2013, 07:39 am
pretty far fetched idea I would say
Title: Re: Government control of Silk Road?
Post by: KudzuKashgari on July 25, 2013, 12:40 pm
I think the Government would like us to believe they're in control.  I have a friend that had the hypothesis once that the Gov't used reverse psychology to get people to smoke herb... to dumb us down and make us more incarceratable lol.
Title: Re: Government control of Silk Road?
Post by: tonythetraveler on July 25, 2013, 01:43 pm
On one side I can see where your friend got his idea from. An online market place where people can buy any drug they feel like does seem a little too good to be true. I don't think the government would take the time to set up a scheme this elaborate though. This website is small beans compared to a cartel drug smuggling operation. Are they really going to waste time and money looking for people buying an ounce of two of coke from the internet? but in reality who knows.
Title: Re: Government control of Silk Road?
Post by: oldskoolhead on July 25, 2013, 02:35 pm
you have to admit though, who else would include this stupid rule that you have to make 50 posts before you can post on the forums, sounds like a government made rule to me lol
Title: Re: Government control of Silk Road?
Post by: supersaiyan on July 25, 2013, 02:56 pm
you have to admit though, who else would include this stupid rule that you have to make 50 posts before you can post on the forums, sounds like a government made rule to me lol

Lol agreed, government operation hands down. Case closed.
Title: Re: Government control of Silk Road?
Post by: xxmisterxx on July 25, 2013, 03:16 pm
Im 100% sure SR is operated by the Illuminati!  ;D
Title: Re: Government control of Silk Road?
Post by: cryngie on July 25, 2013, 04:20 pm
psil0 the hidden web(tor) was created by the america military to keep hackers out of there systems a gateway to connect to the clearnet (wasnt very effective)  and communicate secretly among other things
The american government has sold drugs before why not again shit they sell weapons to terrorist as we speak
$59.6 trillion debt(usdebtclock.org), currently have military control over a country that until they went in 11 yrs ago had almost stopped producing heroin 185tonnes a year to 5800tonnes a year now where is that going hmm
Title: Re: Government control of Silk Road?
Post by: supersaiyan on July 28, 2013, 01:32 pm
psil0 the hidden web(tor) was created by the america military to keep hackers out of there systems a gateway to connect to the clearnet (wasnt very effective)  and communicate secretly among other things
The american government has sold drugs before why not again shit they sell weapons to terrorist as we speak
$59.6 trillion debt(usdebtclock.org), currently have military control over a country that until they went in 11 yrs ago had almost stopped producing heroin 185tonnes a year to 5800tonnes a year now where is that going hmm

I see where your coming from, hell it's plausible considering how corrupt the US govt is now and how much money they owe. I don't think there's any coming back now anyway though, the US will soon fall as a world power.
Title: Re: Government control of Silk Road?
Post by: Jigsaw1234 on July 28, 2013, 06:23 pm
its highly unlikely that any government in the world would implement something like SR an promote drug trafficking all over the world for several years. The effect on foreign relations alone...
Title: Re: Government control of Silk Road?
Post by: Millboy on July 28, 2013, 06:34 pm
The US once gave Mexican drug cartels a shit load of weapons in hopes that they could track their locations.... End result was the cartels having a lot more guns.

Would not surprise me..... but I highly doubt SR is gov operated.
Title: Re: Government control of Silk Road?
Post by: dmc002 on July 28, 2013, 07:03 pm
I have no problem buying my drugs from the government as long as they don't plan on arresting me. It wouldn't be the first time the government sold illegal drugs.
Title: Re: Government control of Silk Road?
Post by: .theol109 on July 28, 2013, 09:59 pm
from what iv read the navy developed tor and the government is always over 20 years more advanced than regular society not to mention more corrupt and a darker place than than anywhere else in society. how do we not know the only reason why we have to post 50 times so we can post with the big boy's is so they can try match our writing style to posts from the normal net! Don't go and pass on what i said as fact or say I'm paranoid and deluded, this is just an observation and thoughts (yes I'm rushing).
If someone has an idea it will happen if they fail there will be someone inspired by their ideas who will continue with it, and who tries to gain all information available..... the government, don't be afraid just be cautious and trust you spidey sense's and never admit anything cause your only giving them the evidence they need. Drugs make us think they don't want us to think. Think about it!

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Title: Re: Government control of Silk Road?
Post by: mcchickenrulz on July 28, 2013, 10:29 pm
definitely too many shroomies haha! I do get the fear tho.