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Off Topic / Re: SANDWICHES
« on: December 01, 2013, 02:17:28 pm »Cheese and pickle?close, wrong gender
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chocolate spread? yank -_-
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Silk Road Discussion / Re: For customers/vendors that lost money on SR 1.0, Atlantis, Black Flag or Sheep
« on: December 01, 2013, 02:12:54 pm »
Yoda we are trolling partners now, brilliant!
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Silk Road Discussion / Re: For customers/vendors that lost money on SR 1.0, Atlantis, Black Flag or Sheep
« on: December 01, 2013, 02:01:47 pm »
@Yoda, you are are just stating the obvious. Most vendors use safe business practices or they wouldn't last. We've been in this business for years and we know how to mitigate losses and prevent them. But this business model, where a site owner can build a site and work it for a few months and walk away with millions by ripping everyone off is NOT SUSTAINABLE.
Just now we got word BMR is closing down. Now there is only SR2.0 and this shady-ass Tormarket. What happens if SR2.0 goes down, for whatever reason? This system is not working and you guys sitting here saying the same obvious shit over and over again is NOT HELPING.
And you telling everyone FE'ing fixes everything IS NOT HELPING.
Oh, I'm sorry... I must have misunderstood. Are all these millions yours?
BMR is closing... Is backopy running off with all the money?
If you're that worried about how many sites exist, start your own. See how many people want to FE.
Bang on well said mate!
Someone need to knock some sense into her she wouldn't listen to me
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Off Topic / Re: **SHEEP MEGATHREAD** - ALL Sheep discussion here please.
« on: December 01, 2013, 01:59:50 pm »i had 50 quid in escrow on this site. does anyone know if there is even a forum open to discuss this with the sheep admin?
Say goodbye to your 50 quid mate
The admin is probably wiping his ass with it the dirty motherfucking cunt
Haha that made me laugh!
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Off Topic / Re: SANDWICHES
« on: December 01, 2013, 01:58:28 pm »
Cheese and pickle?
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Silk Road Discussion / Re: For customers/vendors that lost money on SR 1.0, Atlantis, Black Flag or Sheep
« on: December 01, 2013, 01:39:48 pm »Let me first say that I'm sorry to all those that lost money...
Requiring FE means escrow is NOT working. I'm suggesting doing something that allows customers to have some protection from unscrupulous vendors AND unscrupulous site owners. If customers think they have to watch out for both how long before this business model dies?
Of course we are going to be requiring FE on all purchases now. We'd be fool not to, but that is NOT a long term solution IMO. What you are essentially saying is that this incentive structure where site owners can spend a month or two building out a site, a month or two building up trust and a clientele, and then run off with literally millions is sustainable. Its not. The incentive structure is too skewed. And with your "solution" there will always be enough customers with money on the site and enough new vendors who can't ask for FE to make the honeypot super attractive to scammer site operators.
Requiring FE doesn't mean the escrow system isn't working, it means someone's business model isn't.
Everyone glanced over this comment:Vendors should consider restricting the amounts available in their listings, and not be scared to take their listings down until they get BTC out of Escrow and off-site.
The lesson is you should only have in Escrow and on the site the amount you can afford to lose.
Being greedy and putting out more than one can afford to lose is not a fundamental problem of the market sites themselves.
Any drug dealer knows that dealing drugs is a highly risky business... getting rich is not guaranteed. If anything, you're more likely to go to prison than become rich. This is the risk dealers face, and that's why it pays so good... high risk reaps high reward, and/or also high losses.
I know I could possibly reap huge benefits if I make a bulk purchase... yet I won't go mortgage my house, cash in my family's life insurance policies etc. to do this. Because if something went wrong, I couldn't afford that loss. So what do I do?... I make purchases I can afford to lose. And if I do ever make purchases I cant afford to lose, and do... I don't put the blame on the rest of the world, the burden is all mine.
This is a highly risky environment and there is no way to remove all of that risk. Perfection is elusive.
How many "good, trustworthy" vendors have we seen operate totally legit only to use that trust and pull an FE scam? FE'ing only might possibly benefit the customer if more product or something is offered in return for that FE... but even then it's a big risk for them. I myself won't be purchasing from vendors that require FE... because that only creates more risk for me. And in that case I might as well just deal off-site and not take the 8% hit. I mean, that's why I'm paying the site... for the escrow.
The least of my worries is that SR might run off with my money. But if in your case you think otherwise and don't trust SR, don't use it. Just as I didn't use Sheep. Maybe sit back and watch for a while. Or maybe just make sales which you could afford to lose.
TL;DR
Protect yourselves by only betting what you can afford to lose.
Buyers should only keep on site what they intend to immediately use, vendors should only have on escrow what they can afford to lose.
Exactly mate great post. Its means the vendors business model is not working. Pure and simple
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Security / Re: Vendor I Bought From Busted; How Worried Should I Be?
« on: December 01, 2013, 01:30:34 pm »If your purchase was small, I don't see any conceivable way law enforcement would work together across state lines to get you. The only proof they have is that your name/address was found in her rolodex (if your name was even found) along with your order. It's next to impossible to prove it was actually you who made the purchase or took possession of the package when it was delivered. And if it was only some cough syrup or whatever you said it was, then I wouldn't worry. However, you should proceed as if your identity is compromised. Lay low for awhile, be cool, and remember the burden is on them to prove your guilt. If you're questioned about ANYTHING, say NOTHING and lawyer up. Good luck.
I personally don't think they will follow up on small purchases. They are after the big fish. Vendors and people who buy big.
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Silk Road Discussion / Re: Vendors who lost bitcoins on sheep
« on: December 01, 2013, 01:29:29 pm »Most vendors lost money which were in escrow
If Vendors want to put their prices up to cover their losses, Then i guess thats their way of dealing with it
Dont like their prices, dont buy, simple as that
you can't tell me that all of a vendors assets are going to be in escrow at any one time. what is in escrow is only going to be a percentage of total assets. so its not like they are losing everything if they are smart and keep any other btc's in a separate wallet. losing what is in escrow is just an occupational hazard when trading on these markets. you should accept that you will lose what is in escrow from time to time and trade accordingly. like a supermarket accounts for the fact that a certain amount of goods will be lost to shoplifters. yes they will try to stop shoplifters leaving the store if they can but its the nature of the business they're in and they accept that.
I agree mate this is the point im trying to get across
summed up perfectly -
1 - you can't tell me that all of a vendors assets are going to be in escrow at any one time
2.losing what is in escrow is just an occupational hazard when trading on these markets
3.what is in escrow is only going to be a percentage of total assets. so its not like they are losing everything if they are smart and keep any other btc's in a separate wallet
Vendors increasing prices and demanding FE on everything is punishing the customers for something which is not under their control
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Silk Road Discussion / Re: why does everyone trust this place?
« on: December 01, 2013, 01:25:16 pm »
What are you talking about i said the escrows a great thing and no one can control if the sites go down. I also said if you regularly withdraw btc the profit will far out weight the loss if the site goes down. Now leave me alone
CaptainWhiteBeard
Escrow is a great thing, except when it isn't. And yes, we can't control when sites go down but we can change the way the system works so that there is less incentive for site owners to skip out with the funds, and for us to get hosed less when they do. Its not clear to me why you are incapable of seeing this simple reality.
Vendor losses can be devastating. Some vendors owe money to scary fuckers. Losing escrow every few months ranges from an annoyance to a bite that hurts, to "I'm out of business", to oh shit, I better move to a new city fast! You pretending its all water under the bridge and ya'll should quit complaining is really not doing anything to solve what is a real problem for vendors. I assume you like to purchase your drugs from the vendors on these sites. Perhaps you should let us figure out how to make it work better for us so you can continue to do that. I understand that you don't want to know how the sausage gets made. There is a simple solution to that: stay off of threads that don't concern you.
The reality is escrow is a great thing and it is the best option until someone suggest a better idea. Your idea wasn't better. That is my opinion and my input in the discussion
Vendor losses can be devastating i agree however -
'Some vendors owe money to scary fuckers' - nothing to do with sr that is their personal problem and cannot be blamed on escrow or sr.
If you are going out of business Losing escrow every few months then you are running your business incorrectly.
I buy on this site and i have bought off the old. I have also vended on the old site. None of this matters as we are all free here to voice our concerns, suggestions and opinions
For your information i have always used FE when buying and vending and i am very happy with it.
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Silk Road Discussion / Re: Vendors who lost bitcoins on sheep
« on: December 01, 2013, 01:06:42 pm »Yip, and despite my losses i'm still offering escrowdon't go putting up your prices on sr or bmr and expect us to pay for the losses that you so stupidly made. it was said after sr1 went down that you should not keep btc in your black market wallets. they are not savings banks for drug dealers. they are only there to enable the trade in goods on the site. you should be moving your btc out of your black market account at least 2 or 3 times a day if you don't want to lose it. sorry to say this, but..You have a thread promoting escrow, so it disappoints me to see you writing this garbage!
ITS YOUR LOSS, DEAL WITH IT.
On the one hand you want us to ship orders while keeping the payment in a black market escrow wallet and then you call us stupid for doing so.
Vendors risk many thousands of dollars daily because they use escrow for the protection of their customers, who often wait days after receiving their order before releasing payment.
I'm a big supporter of escrow, but I don't blame any vendor for requesting FE now.
Pluto mate do you still sell that heat activated foil wrapping stuff? If you know what i mean ? ha
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Excellent pal will be ordering soon when vendor account is up and running!!
Saw you on the news, was surreal to say the least haha
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Silk Road Discussion / Re: Vendors who lost bitcoins on sheep
« on: December 01, 2013, 01:03:10 pm »
I really should take a restraining order out on you! Im not telling anyone there stupid your putting words in my mouth now and twisting my words. Im commenting on a discussion and we have free will on these forums to do that. If you don't like that stop talking to me. Its simple. Now be gone with you.
CaptainWhiteBeard
You are the definition of a concern troll: pretending to care about an issue so you can come in and bash people who have a real concern they are trying to discuss. Its clear that you will not stop with your garbage no matter how clear I make it that you are trolling, so I am now done responding to any of your silliness. Thanks for ruining several threads with your bullshit. Peace out, I have real work to do.
More lies. I put across my views and you went on a mental rampage personaly attacking me. I was discussing happily. I do care hence i commented in the thread. If you think peoples views are garbage then you are going to have a lot of problems with people opinions on these threads. I have real concerns like everyone else here.
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Silk Road Discussion / Re: Vendors who lost bitcoins on sheep
« on: December 01, 2013, 01:00:07 pm »
It was for vendors in general. You seem to be going at it the right way. I do agree buyers can be slow. Can i just ask what is the ratio of your 9 months btc profit to your loss when the site went down?Like how much did you lose in relation to how much you gained
CaptainWhiteBeard
Its none of your business what ratio of losses to profits vendors are making. Its irrelevant to this discussion, though you seem to think its the primary issue, which is exactly how a non-vendor might approach the subject. Losses are losses, and they are to be reduced as much as possible. You seem to also forget that customers are also losing money when these scams go down. You're on the wrong thread my friend, go find the thread for customers who want to criticize vendors for making profit for all the risk we take. I'm sure you'll have a lot of fun there.
Ok for a start your just being rude and trolling me now. Im not even talking to you and youv'e just jumped in again. You really can't get enough of me can you. Look just move on.
If you had actually read what i posted i said - Can i just ask what is the ratio of your 9 months btc profit to your loss when the site went down?
I asked for a ratio not actually profit numbers. It was a curious question. Your constant barrage of abuse to me also has nothing to do with this thread as well. Your just making up crap now i have not once criticized vendors for making profit?!
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Silk Road Discussion / Re: Vendors who lost bitcoins on sheep
« on: December 01, 2013, 12:56:19 pm »don't go putting up your prices on sr or bmr and expect us to pay for the losses that you so stupidly made. it was said after sr1 went down that you should not keep btc in your black market wallets. they are not savings banks for drug dealers. they are only there to enable the trade in goods on the site. you should be moving your btc out of your black market account at least 2 or 3 times a day if you don't want to lose it. sorry to say this, but..
ITS YOUR LOSS, DEAL WITH IT.
Such a good thing to say, whats your beef, why you trying to kick people when they are down?. I lost my coins not because i was using it as a bank account, its because buyers took there sweet time paying. They had their goods and partied then decided to pay up. I'm still getting people finalizing today.
True people take their sweet ass time and its annoying but if you don't have enough money to replenish stock while your waiting i dont think your ready to vend.
CaptainWhiteBeard
Eh sorry when did i saw i didnt have enough stock, ive been vending 9 months and taken two hits big one on old SR and a small one on Sheep 2.5btc and that was all in escrow. All i was saying was i think like me alot of vendors lost in escrow only. And i think buyers should pay faster to try help situations like thats happening again. Im not here to argue
It was for vendors in general. You seem to be going at it the right way. I do agree buyers can be slow. Can i just ask what is the ratio of your 9 months btc profit to your loss when the site went down?Like how much did you lose in relation to how much you gained
CaptainWhiteBeard
I've done ok and sorry not gonna put out what ive earned, but for the risk and the hits ive taken its not been worth it. im not out of pocket and have invested what ive earned wisely. I will return and am ready to vend my safe and clean party shit
Thats cool i was just asking a rough ratio not an exact price, i understand though. This is what i mean you have invested in what you earned. Glad to hear you will come back to vend!
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Silk Road Discussion / Re: Vendors who lost bitcoins on sheep
« on: December 01, 2013, 12:52:35 pm »Wow you really have it in for me don't you. Don't make this personal.
It is simple. Yes you lose coins in escrow if the site goes down. But after you recieve coins from orders you withdraw them everynow then. Sheep was up for months, SR was for 2 years. You always be in profit if you follow this system. Its not as if every new vendor has thousands of btc's in escrow but they have any in their wallet. Maybe you shouldnt jump feet first in every new market like you appear to be doing in TOR market now.
CaptainWhiteBeard
No one is "jumping in feet first in every new market" asshat. That doesn't mean I need to be cool with getting robbed every couple months. You think I have it in for you but you just keep coming around to these threads polluting them with inanities and blame the victim type garbage. Quit pulling your shit and I'll stop coming after you.
Haha what? Think youve been smoking too much weed darling. YOU were going round pulling the ' im a victim ' shit!
I always wanted a female stalker, but boy now i regret it. Now leave me be child
CaptainWhiteBeard
Look at the subject of this thread. Its about vendors who lost money on sheep. Vendors who lost money on sheep don't need a human paraquat like you coming around telling us we're stupid and its all our fault for whatever lame reason you happen to come up with at the moment. If you don't like victims coming together to discuss the issues we are facing then stay out of the discussion, don't keep sticking your dumb head in where its not wanted to utter insipid nastiness. You have ruined several threads with your ridiculousness. Great job. And the day you get a female stalker is the day the earth stands still.
I really should take a restraining order out on you! Im not telling anyone there stupid your putting words in my mouth now and twisting my words. Im commenting on a discussion and we have free will on these forums to do that. If you don't like that stop talking to me. Its simple. Now be gone with you.
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Silk Road Discussion / Re: Vendors who lost bitcoins on sheep
« on: December 01, 2013, 12:49:22 pm »don't go putting up your prices on sr or bmr and expect us to pay for the losses that you so stupidly made. it was said after sr1 went down that you should not keep btc in your black market wallets. they are not savings banks for drug dealers. they are only there to enable the trade in goods on the site. you should be moving your btc out of your black market account at least 2 or 3 times a day if you don't want to lose it. sorry to say this, but..You have a thread promoting escrow, so it disappoints me to see you writing this garbage!
ITS YOUR LOSS, DEAL WITH IT.
On the one hand you want us to ship orders while keeping the payment in a black market escrow wallet and then you call us stupid for doing so.
Vendors risk many thousands of dollars daily because they use escrow for the protection of their customers, who often wait days after receiving their order before releasing payment.
I'm a big supporter of escrow, but I don't blame any vendor for requesting FE now.
Pluto mate do you still sell that heat activated foil wrapping stuff? If you know what i mean ? ha
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