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Discussion => Silk Road discussion => Topic started by: fuckingACE on December 24, 2012, 08:08 pm
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Hi!
I want to create a new thread that records busts on Vendors. There are a lot of substantiated rumors going around that vendors are getting busted / that the site is compromised.
I would really like to be able to keep an eye on weather the number of busts is increasing. After all it is our freedom at stake.
Please comment with the name of the vendor and any evidence you have to point to the conclusion.
I remember a thread not long ago with a Vendor being busted, he got his mate to comment in his vendor account that it had happened.
Everyone please chip in, it will be a really useful thread to put peoples minds at ease and as an early warning system if the site is compromised.
ACE
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Are you talking about Asylum? He wasn't busted. He got phished by the fake Wikipedia link and the phisher posted that message.
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Instead of just talking about people that wernt good at thier jobs or for whatever other reason got busted I think the focus should be on ways to prevent a similar fate. I know people get arrested each day, I dont need the details Ive heard alot of stories. What I care about is how to keep my ass out of trouble.
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Instead of just talking about people that wernt good at thier jobs or for whatever other reason got busted I think the focus should be on ways to prevent a similar fate. I know people get arrested each day, I dont need the details Ive heard alot of stories. What I care about is how to keep my ass out of trouble.
ENCRYPT EVERYTHING INCRIMINATING !!!! lol... I actually think ACE has a good thread going here. I dont know of any Vendors on here that have been busted, im sure its happen and i know for a FACT we have people on this forums buying and going back reporting to LE and other types people.. Our whole story about the downtime was writting up and posted along with certain User names which i dont remember but im sure are not active names anymore, So just all i can say is ENCRYPT ALL SENSITIVE INFO! And always be ready just in case they show up your not standing there looking dumb. Rehearse somewhat what you would say..Which i hope for all of you would be 'Am I under arrest? ' Am i being Detained?" I'm sorry i cant help in anyway officer(s) detectives PIGS! I have no clue about this, but im gonna contact a Lawyer just in case..
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Instead of just talking about people that wernt good at thier jobs or for whatever other reason got busted I think the focus should be on ways to prevent a similar fate. I know people get arrested each day, I dont need the details Ive heard alot of stories. What I care about is how to keep my ass out of trouble.
I think your missing the point I'm making. An increase in busts indicates, by reason indicates that LE have either intercepted communications, or have infiltrated the server. I mean this as an early warning system to identify breaches that might not be detected immediatley by admin. Idividual busts indicate carelesness but the overal trend indicates a bigger issue..
ACE
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Instead of just talking about people that wernt good at thier jobs or for whatever other reason got busted I think the focus should be on ways to prevent a similar fate. I know people get arrested each day, I dont need the details Ive heard alot of stories. What I care about is how to keep my ass out of trouble.
I think your missing the point I'm making. An increase in busts indicates, by reason indicates that LE have either intercepted communications, or have infiltrated the server. I mean this as an early warning system to identify breaches that might not be detected immediatley by admin. Idividual busts indicate carelesness but the overal trend indicates a bigger issue..
ACE
How many people, for certain fact, have been busted recently? If they are only rumors then they are just that- rumors with nothing confirmed.
Just wondering as it is worrying to me.
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Instead of just talking about people that wernt good at thier jobs or for whatever other reason got busted I think the focus should be on ways to prevent a similar fate. I know people get arrested each day, I dont need the details Ive heard alot of stories. What I care about is how to keep my ass out of trouble.
ENCRYPT EVERYTHING INCRIMINATING !!!! lol... I actually think ACE has a good thread going here. I dont know of any Vendors on here that have been busted, im sure its happen and i know for a FACT we have people on this forums buying and going back reporting to LE and other types people.. Our whole story about the downtime was writting up and posted along with certain User names which i dont remember but im sure are not active names anymore, So just all i can say is ENCRYPT ALL SENSITIVE INFO! And always be ready just in case they show up your not standing there looking dumb. Rehearse somewhat what you would say..Which i hope for all of you would be 'Am I under arrest? ' Am i being Detained?" I'm sorry i cant help in anyway officer(s) detectives PIGS! I have no clue about this, but im gonna contact a Lawyer just in case..
I would be interested in hearing more about the story regarding the downtime being reported and usernames being passed along and the users disappearing... do you have any sources?
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Instead of just talking about people that wernt good at thier jobs or for whatever other reason got busted I think the focus should be on ways to prevent a similar fate. I know people get arrested each day, I dont need the details Ive heard alot of stories. What I care about is how to keep my ass out of trouble.
I think your missing the point I'm making. An increase in busts indicates, by reason indicates that LE have either intercepted communications, or have infiltrated the server. I mean this as an early warning system to identify breaches that might not be detected immediatley by admin. Idividual busts indicate carelesness but the overal trend indicates a bigger issue..
ACE
How many people, for certain fact, have been busted recently? If they are only rumors then they are just that- rumors with nothing confirmed.
Just wondering as it is worrying to me.
thats is what this thread aims to identify
ACE
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My cousion told me the other day she herd on the radio where 2 people not sure where from were busted with like 11 lbs of weed through the mail and another with just a couple grams.. No clue if its SR related.. Im not gonna up my chances of getting busted anymore by getting a few grams of weed of here like i did the last few weeks.. I stopped smoking years ago but some new stuff came on the scene and i loved it... Im sticking to Benzos ,Opiates and sometimes H..
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Instead of just talking about people that wernt good at thier jobs or for whatever other reason got busted I think the focus should be on ways to prevent a similar fate. I know people get arrested each day, I dont need the details Ive heard alot of stories. What I care about is how to keep my ass out of trouble.
ENCRYPT EVERYTHING INCRIMINATING !!!! lol... I actually think ACE has a good thread going here. I dont know of any Vendors on here that have been busted, im sure its happen and i know for a FACT we have people on this forums buying and going back reporting to LE and other types people.. Our whole story about the downtime was writting up and posted along with certain User names which i dont remember but im sure are not active names anymore, So just all i can say is ENCRYPT ALL SENSITIVE INFO! And always be ready just in case they show up your not standing there looking dumb. Rehearse somewhat what you would say..Which i hope for all of you would be 'Am I under arrest? ' Am i being Detained?" I'm sorry i cant help in anyway officer(s) detectives PIGS! I have no clue about this, but im gonna contact a Lawyer just in case..
I would be interested in hearing more about the story regarding the downtime being reported and usernames being passed along and the users disappearing... do you have any sources?
Ace it was a story i came across on google when just sitting around bored and wanted to see what was writting on SR out there, and it was like the 2nd or 3rd thing i clicked on, it had pics of the main SR vendor name in the pics.. Then they Q outed certain User/members off the forums..I dont remember the names but u can look it up on google.. The report spoke of SR down time for over 2 weeks and we were all speaking of possible LE breach then on to hackers etc.. By the way My post above this one about my cousion was not a reply to you for resources it just happen to come to mund when reading someone eles post..
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Capt Mal R u serious? There Phone #s and address's and u only sell bitcoins? WTF? These new kids on the block are Dangerous and will be the down fall
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LE seems to use a lot the old "If you can't do nothing about it, rise a fear campaign". I think is just that.
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I guess you have to teach them and say something like: encrypt and don't add your cell or I wont do business with you.
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Why the hell would they be giving their address in phone # for something that is Electronic? I understand if there going to buy coins from bitinstant or whatever but what a bunch of MORONS.. Damn well i'll admitt iv used a Vendor for Xanax bars that has been here over 3 months and still has no pgp, but i highly doubt i will use him again until he does.. Iv msg him telling him i will make him to most easy dummmies guide to PGP someone can get, and i dont get a reply so i guess thats his way of saying 'fuck off' ' .. Encryption is not hard AT ALL and should be a must..Well at least for buyers, I understand a Vendor will not say 'HEY U DID NOT ENCRYPT!!! NO DRUGS!!" cause i dont really think a seller not encrypting will hurt a vendor, Could it? Whats a Vendors POV on PGP? Im curious.. Btw im not trying to change the subject of this thread, but i saw where one person said they wanted to know how to keep their ass out of jail, and the last few posts are 1 good way..
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also, not sure why, but over the last week or so i've received orders from people who have put their addresses and PHONE NUMBERS unencrypted
It's funny because there's so much debate on the forum, and people go to such lengths to get coins anonymously, then turn right around and post their plaintext addresses on the server.
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also, not sure why, but over the last week or so i've received orders from people who have put their addresses and PHONE NUMBERS unencrypted
It's funny because there's so much debate on the forum, and people go to such lengths to get coins anonymously, then turn right around and post their plaintext addresses on the server.
Soo true Astor!! I would say their doin g it backwards.. Nothing wrong with all that for the bitcoins but i honestly see foggin them and doing all that xtra is just a waste of $ and by the time it hits SR its been tumbled at least one time already.. I just Encrypt senitive info, your not breaking the law buying coins, but by the time your ready to put in your address your right on the line..
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There was a member of the forums I was in the process of negotiating bulk orders of weed with and about a month ago he dropped off the face of the earth. I did some research on him and he was all over the forums making deals left and right for all sorts of drugs, not just bud. Not sure if he got busted so I'm not gonna put the username out there and start a rumor if it's not true.. but ultimately everyone should be very careful. Unfortunately a lot of the younger generation has gotten so comfortable with social networking/the internet that they don't associate danger with technology as much as they should. Just because this website functions like a regular e-commerce website does not make it safe!
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Im pretty sure BMR sutomatically encrypts messages. When you create your seller account you copy and paste your public key in, then all orders arrive encrypted. Either that or the BMR lot enctrypt more lol
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I'm new to PGP, but if a vendor had his computer confiscated under investigation wouldn't the police be able to decrypt his messages fairly easily ?... once again I am new to PGP
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Well if a Vendor or buyer give up their password to decrypt the msgs.. But Once u Encrypt something and put it into SR once done it gone for good, unless the vendor is keping the info there should be nothing to get.. If i was a vendor, i would take in the orders as they came and write down the name and address on the shipping pack and nothing else, U have to have a password and Keys to decrypt msgs..
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Im pretty sure BMR sutomatically encrypts messages. When you create your seller account you copy and paste your public key in, then all orders arrive encrypted. Either that or the BMR lot enctrypt more lol
And that doesn't make BMR safer. If anything, and trust me on this, it makes it less safe. Because it is a false sense of security, buyers will put their plain-text addresses in knowing it will arrive to the vendor encrypted... after going to the server in plaintext. Yeah, they can keep logs of that REALLY easily.
And now... I still think BMR is most likely a honeypot from the Feds.
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I'm a new tor user. I've dabbled with Tor for the last year and just recently I've installed tails onto a flash drive and I'm really looking through Tor sites like the silk road. So far the most useful websites I've found are torgle and onionbookmark, these were relatively easy to find, I used the packaged "start page" search to find torgle and torgle to find onionbookmark, then I simply clicked on the biggest link "forums" and the first result was this site.
This is great for getting new members to find out about Tor sites, but it also means anyone can find these sites. I believe that because I found this site so easy, anyone trying to track vendors would also find it easy to get to this site and everything you post here is being read by the fbi or whoever is trying to find these vendors.
I feel like everyone here has already thought of this so my question is, how do you deal with this? If all your information on this site is monitored how do you expect to continue to operate and how do you expect these threads to help you if the people you're planning against can read it?
I understand that this information may be confidential and I don't expect a response if you can't, I'm simply curious.
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If i was a vendor, i would take in the orders as they came and write down the name and address on the shipping pack and nothing else
This is what I do.
I've received over a hundred orders this past week and I'd say only 20% were encrypted. I'd love it if more were encrypted for their own safety but I simply don't have the time to educate people, I've aided a couple whom have sent wrongly encrypted PGP info and that was hard enough - at the end of the day it's their risk and we as vendors can only look to minimise our own and in the same breath I could never afford to say "no PGP no product" as the economics don't work for that.
As for vendors being busted - I dare say many do but I'd also say many of those busts will have nothing to do with their online activities, after all vendors oft sell offline and they often buy their product in bulk offline and maybe involved in all other kinds of activities that may lead to them being busted. A lot of the time I'd hedge that LE only find out they were on SR after a bust for something else.
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Thats why u encrypt any personal info.. There is no sensitive information on the site itself other than prices and pictures and names.. This forum is not Silkroad i hope you realize that..
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Why the hell would they be giving their address in phone # for something that is Electronic? I understand if there going to buy coins from bitinstant or whatever but what a bunch of MORONS.. Damn well i'll admitt iv used a Vendor for Xanax bars that has been here over 3 months and still has no pgp, but i highly doubt i will use him again until he does.. Iv msg him telling him i will make him to most easy dummmies guide to PGP someone can get, and i dont get a reply so i guess thats his way of saying 'fuck off' ' .. Encryption is not hard AT ALL and should be a must..Well at least for buyers, I understand a Vendor will not say 'HEY U DID NOT ENCRYPT!!! NO DRUGS!!" cause i dont really think a seller not encrypting will hurt a vendor, Could it? Whats a Vendors POV on PGP? Im curious.. Btw im not trying to change the subject of this thread, but i saw where one person said they wanted to know how to keep their ass out of jail, and the last few posts are 1 good way..
Hey bro this dummies guide to pgp that a retard could understand. Any chance you could describe where to get it? Of course im fantastically proficient in pgp its not for me like, ... its for a friend... yea definately for a friend... ;)
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Why the hell would they be giving their address in phone # for something that is Electronic? I understand if there going to buy coins from bitinstant or whatever but what a bunch of MORONS.. Damn well i'll admitt iv used a Vendor for Xanax bars that has been here over 3 months and still has no pgp, but i highly doubt i will use him again until he does.. Iv msg him telling him i will make him to most easy dummmies guide to PGP someone can get, and i dont get a reply so i guess thats his way of saying 'fuck off' ' .. Encryption is not hard AT ALL and should be a must..Well at least for buyers, I understand a Vendor will not say 'HEY U DID NOT ENCRYPT!!! NO DRUGS!!" cause i dont really think a seller not encrypting will hurt a vendor, Could it? Whats a Vendors POV on PGP? Im curious.. Btw im not trying to change the subject of this thread, but i saw where one person said they wanted to know how to keep their ass out of jail, and the last few posts are 1 good way..
Hey bro this dummies guide to pgp that a retard could understand. Any chance you could describe where to get it? Of course im fantastically proficient in pgp its not for me like, ... its for a friend... yea definately for a friend... ;)
Go to the Security section bro.. In my Post i was speaking of something i said i would make for a vendor so it would be as simple as possible.. Even though it pretty much is on the forums as well but it seems some dont bother to come here.. You cant miss the thread for it in the security forums. After you download it and give it a little read and wanna test it let me know and id be glade to do that for you..
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Hey bro this dummies guide to pgp that a retard could understand. Any chance you could describe where to get it?
This has received great reviews: http://32yehzkk7jflf6r2.onion/gpg4usb/
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Ive seen on the news that the cops post drugs for sale on Craigslist and when some dummy takes the bight it makes the nightley news, as if this is police internet sophistication
other than dummies busting dummies on the internet, thats all Ive got for ya
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Public arrest records show that with exception to a large bust on April 17th 2012 of what the Feds called a LSD ring, they are currently averaging one arrest per month from the site in general. I found this information on Google through the clear-net. I am very cautious about diving into this community, so I have been following that fairly closely. So far this community seems to be safe when used properly. Reports on the arrest show that they are made do to careless mistakes. There is some controversy regarding the safety of TOR, but I have friends on Wall Street that are very proficient in computers / hacking and they claim that TOR is practically iron clad when used in combination with encryption and common sense safety measures. This is only there opinion of course, but the statistics on arrests were pulled from the internet like I said. Senator Joe Manchin is doing everything he can to stop it. But I believe the safety of the silk road in relation to the amount of arrest has stayed pretty stable. Proper Planning Prevents Piss Poor Performance. Long Live This Incredible Community!
Thanks. I hope this was helpful.
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There is some controversy regarding the safety of TOR, but I have friends on Wall Street that are very proficient in computers / hacking and they claim that TOR is practically iron clad when used in combination with encryption and common sense safety measures. This is only there opinion of course
You don't have to rely on their opinion. The Tor developers themselves have summarized the known attacks on Tor along with references to published research. Spend a few weeks reading the papers and you can make an informed, expert decision about it.
https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-dev/2012-September/003992.html
Also, http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=95305.0
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And if you don't mind spending hours digging through kmfkewm's 2000 posts, he has a lot of verbose but incredibly detailed, and in my opinion, expertly informed comments on the subject. :)
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And if you don't mind spending hours digging through kmfkewm's 2000 posts, he has a lot of verbose but incredibly detailed, and in my opinion, expertly informed comments on the subject. :)
He has other things in his posts, too. Like the belief that child porn shouldn't be illegal because, and this is my biased-paraphrasing, "the harm has already been done and looking at the pictures doesn't hurt anyone".
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Ok, that's an ad hom from left field. If lead Tor developer Roger Dingledine were a pedophile -- and I'm not suggesting he is -- would that make him any less of an expert on anonymity networks? Would his opinion be any less valid?
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Thanks astor. I appreciate the links and suggestions. I will check them out.
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Ok, that's an ad hom from left field. If lead Tor developer Roger Dingledine were a pedophile -- and I'm not suggesting he is -- would that make him any less of an expert on anonymity networks? Would his opinion be any less valid?
Actually, it might make them more valid. Strictly speaking, someone who consumes child porn(kmfkewm does mention that he finds it repulsive, by the way) is, if they are interested in staying safe, going to have the potential to become quite intelligent as far as online anonymity goes.
The above wording is once against negatively biased against kmfkewm and that isn't my intent, but my personal feelings about the guy are negative so I don't trust myself to be able to make it look any better.
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Just to be clear, your personal feelings about the guy are based solely on his opinion that people in mere possession of child porn shouldn't be prosecuted, or is there something more to it?
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Just to be clear, your personal feelings about the guy are based solely on his opinion that people in mere possession of child porn shouldn't be prosecuted, or is there something more to it?
I got the feeling that his opinion is that people shouldn't be prosecuted for seeking out or owning child porn, actually. My memory isn't eidetic so I don't remember everything said but the impression I got is that he thinks making child-porn is wrong but that owning, "using", or seeking child porn is not wrong.
My personal feelings are based on the fact that the production of child porn largely requires a child to be raped. Thus, the images/videos are a record of that rape and anyone who seeks such content is, more or less, in support of children getting raped(in that they consume the media of such an event).
So it is a difference in opinion that makes me view him in a negative light. Oh, also the fact that he posted a thread asking why people don't send mail-bombs to LE, and then went on to encourage the practice of trying to mailbomb LE.
But no, I'm sure he might understand tor quite well... Given his apparent character however, I'm not interested in that knowledge.
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Oh, also the fact that he posted a thread asking why people don't send mail-bombs to LE, and then went on to encourage the practice of trying to mailbomb LE.
Yes, he has gone on several tirades encouraging violence against the government and LE, which I disagree with as well.
I'm not trying to excuse those comments, but there's a chance he was fucked up when he made them. Lord knows I've said some stupid shit online, mostly thanks to alcohol in my case. :)
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Oh, also the fact that he posted a thread asking why people don't send mail-bombs to LE, and then went on to encourage the practice of trying to mailbomb LE.
Yes, he has gone on several tirades encouraging violence against the government and LE, which I disagree with as well.
I'm not trying to excuse those comments, but there's a nontrivial chance he was fucked up when he made them. Lord knows I've said some stupid shit online, mostly thanks to alcohol in my case. :)
It's funny, because my illegal drugs of choice never make me act stupid, only alcohol does.
The most I get from my drugs is either really ranty, or really stupid and unable to even think my way around a straight-line...
But yeah, I wasn't trying to say that kmf's knowledge is invalidated by what his character is, sorry. I was just making a, in hind sight, stupid comment. Personally, I think it worked out quite well, since we got to have this discussion and I always love a civil discussion that makes me think about what I've said or why. :)
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Hey, I am new here and was just wondering if someone could direct me to some information on sending encrypted messages and whatnot when dealing with ppl. I read where a bitcoin vendor was saying ppl were sending him addresses and phone numbers on the 1st page. Lets say i need to give this info for a purchase or something, what is the correct protocol. And sorry if this is the wrong place for this I just thought it went along with the topic of being safe and not getting busted...
Thanks in advance for any and all help and again I apologize if this is too far off topic. PM's are welcome if anyone has any helpful advice.
-Common Man
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Hey, I am new here and was just wondering if someone could direct me to some information on sending encrypted messages and whatnot when dealing with ppl.
This is a good tutorial :) http://32yehzkk7jflf6r2.onion/gpg4usb/
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But yeah, I wasn't trying to say that kmf's knowledge is invalidated by what his character is, sorry. I was just making a, in hind sight, stupid comment. Personally, I think it worked out quite well, since we got to have this discussion and I always love a civil discussion that makes me think about what I've said or why. :)
Me too :)
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We all have to remember that the ones are open to being busted are the ones RECEIVING...there are only a couple ways for a vendor to get busted and its just more easier to bust the people grabbing the product then sending the product. But precautions have to be made by both.
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Public arrest records show that with exception to a large bust on April 17th 2012 of what the Feds called a LSD ring, they are currently averaging one arrest per month from the site in general. I found this information on Google through the clear-net. I am very cautious about diving into this community, so I have been following that fairly closely. So far this community seems to be safe when used properly. Reports on the arrest show that they are made do to careless mistakes. There is some controversy regarding the safety of TOR, but I have friends on Wall Street that are very proficient in computers / hacking and they claim that TOR is practically iron clad when used in combination with encryption and common sense safety measures. This is only there opinion of course, but the statistics on arrests were pulled from the internet like I said. Senator Joe Manchin is doing everything he can to stop it. But I believe the safety of the silk road in relation to the amount of arrest has stayed pretty stable. Proper Planning Prevents Piss Poor Performance. Long Live This Incredible Community!
Thanks. I hope this was helpful.
This is interesting. Can you provide links to the records or where you got the 1/month number?
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Public arrest records show that with exception to a large bust on April 17th 2012 of what the Feds called a LSD ring, they are currently averaging one arrest per month from the site in general. I found this information on Google through the clear-net. I am very cautious about diving into this community, so I have been following that fairly closely. So far this community seems to be safe when used properly. Reports on the arrest show that they are made do to careless mistakes. There is some controversy regarding the safety of TOR, but I have friends on Wall Street that are very proficient in computers / hacking and they claim that TOR is practically iron clad when used in combination with encryption and common sense safety measures. This is only there opinion of course, but the statistics on arrests were pulled from the internet like I said. Senator Joe Manchin is doing everything he can to stop it. But I believe the safety of the silk road in relation to the amount of arrest has stayed pretty stable. Proper Planning Prevents Piss Poor Performance. Long Live This Incredible Community!
Thanks. I hope this was helpful.
This is interesting. Can you provide links to the records or where you got the 1/month number?
Hi, I concur clearnet links you mentioned pls
ACE
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Yeah I'd like those links too, just bumping so hopefully the poster will read it.
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I did a hell of a lot of research today on this and couldn´t come up with anything :/ hopefully poster will read and shed light
ACE
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Capt Mal R u serious? There Phone #s and address's and u only sell bitcoins? WTF? These new kids on the block are Dangerous and will be the down fall
yep, 100% serious. the scariest part is that at least 2 of the people who did this had stats showing over 10 transactions. yikes.
PHONE NUMBERS?!?
Holy shit on a stick.
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Instead of just talking about people that wernt good at thier jobs or for whatever other reason got busted I think the focus should be on ways to prevent a similar fate. I know people get arrested each day, I dont need the details Ive heard alot of stories. What I care about is how to keep my ass out of trouble.
ENCRYPT EVERYTHING INCRIMINATING !!!! lol... I actually think ACE has a good thread going here. I dont know of any Vendors on here that have been busted, im sure its happen and i know for a FACT we have people on this forums buying and going back reporting to LE and other types people.. Our whole story about the downtime was writting up and posted along with certain User names which i dont remember but im sure are not active names anymore, So just all i can say is ENCRYPT ALL SENSITIVE INFO! And always be ready just in case they show up your not standing there looking dumb. Rehearse somewhat what you would say..Which i hope for all of you would be 'Am I under arrest? ' Am i being Detained?" I'm sorry i cant help in anyway officer(s) detectives PIGS! I have no clue about this, but im gonna contact a Lawyer just in case..
Which is pretty much what we've been saying, as it's common sense, but difficult to do in the heat of the moment. The BEST method is possibly to keep your Tor stuff on a secondary OS like a laptop not kept in the house (shed/garage perhaps), but not everyone can afford it.
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SR automatically encrypts information in the checkout section an everywhere else I'm reasonably sure. You only have to worry if the site or your vendor is compromised which as we have seen recently is possible.
Anyone talking about "exit nodes getting tapped" have no idea about how TOR works though.
There is an excellent video on YouTube by two of the TOR team called How The Governments Have Tried To Stop TOR which explains how the system works. Even if they got part of the message that is all they would get, maybe a few disjointed letters and numbers. Think Nazi German Enigma machine on future tech steroids and you have TOR's system.
Use PGP for the safety if you know how, but anyone ordering a few grams here and there ought not to worry too much, especially if it isn't even their address but a random drop site.
Even Hotmail is encrypted FFS so do yourself that favor peeps and use tools that are available.
You might not need safety glasses %99.9 of the time, but it will be the only time you don't need when you chip the blade and it lands in your eye blinding you.
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SR automatically encrypts information in the checkout section an everywhere else I'm reasonably sure. You only have to worry if the site or your vendor is compromised which as we have seen recently is possible.
I'm 100% sure the SR server uses full disk encryption, but as you said, that doesn't matter if the server gets pwned and LE steals the encryption key from RAM. This is why you should PGP encrypt your address.
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SR automatically encrypts information in the checkout section an everywhere else I'm reasonably sure. You only have to worry if the site or your vendor is compromised which as we have seen recently is possible.
I'm 100% sure the SR server uses full disk encryption, but as you said, that doesn't matter if the server gets pwned and LE steals the encryption key from RAM. This is why you should PGP encrypt your address.
What about storing the key in a fully encrypted, only touched once pre boot-cycle USB(or some such), and giving it temp-storage on an also-encrypted RAM-drive which gets frequently accessed when said key is needed, before said key is religiously scrubbed from the non-encrypted ram?
That is to say, wouldn't that protect from an event such as the server getting pwned and LE trying to snag the key from RAM?
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What about storing the key in a fully encrypted, only touched once pre boot-cycle USB(or some such), and giving it temp-storage on an also-encrypted RAM-drive which gets frequently accessed when said key is needed, before said key is religiously scrubbed from the non-encrypted ram?
That is to say, wouldn't that protect from an event such as the server getting pwned and LE trying to snag the key from RAM?
That's a great idea. If you can prove to me that the SR server does this... I'd still PGP encrypt my address, because the cost (in time, work) of encrypting is negligible compared to the security benefits. :)
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What about storing the key in a fully encrypted, only touched once pre boot-cycle USB(or some such), and giving it temp-storage on an also-encrypted RAM-drive which gets frequently accessed when said key is needed, before said key is religiously scrubbed from the non-encrypted ram?
That is to say, wouldn't that protect from an event such as the server getting pwned and LE trying to snag the key from RAM?
That's a great idea. If you can prove to me that the SR server does this... I'd still PGP encrypt my address, because the cost (in time, work) of encrypting is negligible compared to the security benefits. :)
Oh, I don't know if the server does it or anything, it was just an idea of how to keep "the key" secure from LE-intervention, caused by seeing what you said. I am, however, going to go suggest it to DPR because that shit is bawlin'.
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Oh, I don't know if the server does it or anything, it was just an idea of how to keep "the key" secure from LE-intervention, caused by seeing what you said. I am, however, going to go suggest it to DPR because that shit is bawlin'.
LOL, actually I don't know if that's possible. The encryption key has to be accessible for the server to continue doing en/decryption, like for all the database reads/writes. I'm not aware of a way to protect an encryption key from an adversary who has physical control of the device. You can trigger a dead man's switch for emergency shut down and scramble the RAM in the process, hopefully before the adversary can extract the key, but the only 100% safe defense against a physical adversary is to have the device off when they arrive.
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Oh, I don't know if the server does it or anything, it was just an idea of how to keep "the key" secure from LE-intervention, caused by seeing what you said. I am, however, going to go suggest it to DPR because that shit is bawlin'.
LOL, actually I don't know if that's possible. The encryption key has to be accessible for the server to continue doing en/decryption, like for all the database reads/writes. I'm not aware of a way to protect an encryption key from an adversary who has physical control of the device. You can trigger a dead man's switch for emergency shut down and scramble the RAM in the process, hopefully before the adversary can extract the key, but the only 100% safe defense against a physical adversary is to have the device off when they arrive.
Yep! It isn't infallible. The encryption-key for the ram-disk could still be snagged, for example. Also, having the device off when LE arrives isn't 100% safe, either. Some data can be recovered from ram up to something like 2 minutes after it loses power(with corruption)... my idea mostly protects the real SR-key in that the only way to get it is to have a full copy, with no corruption, of the encrypted ram-disk AND to get the encryption-key for said ram-disk with minimal corruption, as well. But still, it isn't perfect. And I'm sure there are other problems I'm not aware of.
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Actually yeah, the safest way to secure the SR server would be to colocate and supply your own hardware rather than renting a dedicated server. Install the OS at home, set up ssh access, then rig the chassis so if it's opened or tampered, it triggers an emergency shut down procedure that scrambles RAM. Then ship that to the data center.
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Also, having the device off when LE arrives isn't 100% safe, either. Some data can be recovered from ram up to something like 2 minutes after it loses power(with corruption)
Scrambling the RAM on shut down protects you from cold boot attacks.
I've also heard of just pouring glue or plastic materials around the RAM sticks so it takes too long to extract. Not every security problem needs a math solution. :)
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Also, having the device off when LE arrives isn't 100% safe, either. Some data can be recovered from ram up to something like 2 minutes after it loses power(with corruption)
Scrambling the RAM on shut down protects you from cold boot attacks.
So does having the important-bits pre-encrypted. :) Then you don't have to scramble everything, just the one small section.
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Hola. I am one of the young, trusting users who doesn't encrypt. I tried. I really, really tried but my patience ran out and I ordered without it. Finding SR was a major FB Life Event. It basically consumed me for 2-3 days after finding it and the fact that my pea-sized brain couldn't grasp pgp wasn't going to stop me from placing an order.
I'll admit I needed to pull out a dictionary at one point while reading through this thread (eidetic=photographic memory, btw) but I don't think I'm a total :-\ moron by not using pgp. The vendors are going to have my address. Regardless of any precautions I still have zero control over what she does with it so the fact is my info is out there. Plus, the time it will take me to figure out pgp can be better spent on here making up haikus and stalking DPR's book club.
Seriously, though, I think it's overkill for a user like me. My orders are small and I (mostly) only get pot.
Does it matter anymore since my sensitive info is already on SR w/ 10+ transactions, or is your advice going to be to shut up and learn pgp?
My advice is to read astor's thing: http://32yehzkk7jflf6r2.onion/gpg4usb/
Or, at least, get gpg4win and when it's installing, tell it to install GPA. From there, you just paste the vendor's PGP key into GPA, click clipboard, then encrypt your address with the vendor's key and give that to the vendor when you order.
But, without having looked at astor's guide, I am led to believe that it is a piece of decent-or-better work and will help you.
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In practice, modern DDR-based RAM does not retain a useable amount of stable data longer than a minute or so. Gluing in the RAM sticks, disabling the unlock safety switch after installing, etc will likely delay LE long enough to make cold boot useless, assuming you shut the computer down as soon as they're at the door.
Most of the time they don't even remove the RAM, they try to boot from a removable device instead. Setting a BIOS password and enabling the full POST will take care of that. Make sure you enable any startup logo that obscures the boot process, that way they won't see the RAM being cleared.
EDIT: None of these security measures are worth a damn if you tell people about them. Once LE finds out about your setup (they will if you talk about it), you're fucked because they'll simply come prepared.
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Too many problems with GPG4Win. Since I created that tutorial and started posting in the PGP Club thread, you would not believe how many people have contacted me on the thread, in PM, and via TorMail, and 90% of the time, when they are having a problem with PGP but using a program other than GPG4USB, simply switching to that program (following my tut) solves their problem.
Just today I challenged someone to learn how to verify a signature (because DPR signs -- some -- of his announcements and people think that's important), so I sent this person a signed message and he couldn't verify it. He was using GPG4Win. Told him to switch to GPG4USB, he came back an hour later and said if verified.
The Wiki needs to be changed to recommend GPG4USB.
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Too many problems with GPG4Win. Since I created that tutorial and started posting in the PGP Club thread, you would not believe how many people have contacted me on the thread, in PM, and via TorMail, and 90% of the time, when they are having a problem with PGP but using a program other than GPG4USB, simply switching to that program (following my tut) solves their problem.
Just today I challenged someone to learn how to verify a signature (because DPR signs -- some -- of his announcements and people think that's important), so I sent this person a signed message and he couldn't verify it. He was using GPG4Win. Told him to switch to GPG4USB, he came back an hour later and said if verified.
The Wiki needs to be changed to recommend GPG4USB.
I'll take that challenge, too. :D
If for no other reason than the chance to prove myself smarter than someone I don't know. And hey, if I'm fucked by it too, that just means you've got another convert.
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Why the hell would they be giving their address in phone # for something that is Electronic? I understand if there going to buy coins from bitinstant or whatever but what a bunch of MORONS.. Damn well i'll admitt iv used a Vendor for Xanax bars that has been here over 3 months and still has no pgp, but i highly doubt i will use him again until he does.. Iv msg him telling him i will make him to most easy dummmies guide to PGP someone can get, and i dont get a reply so i guess thats his way of saying 'fuck off' ' .. Encryption is not hard AT ALL and should be a must..Well at least for buyers, I understand a Vendor will not say 'HEY U DID NOT ENCRYPT!!! NO DRUGS!!" cause i dont really think a seller not encrypting will hurt a vendor, Could it? Whats a Vendors POV on PGP? Im curious.. Btw im not trying to change the subject of this thread, but i saw where one person said they wanted to know how to keep their ass out of jail, and the last few posts are 1 good way..
Hey bro this dummies guide to pgp that a retard could understand. Any chance you could describe where to get it? Of course im fantastically proficient in pgp its not for me like, ... its for a friend... yea definately for a friend... ;)
Go to the Security section bro.. In my Post i was speaking of something i said i would make for a vendor so it would be as simple as possible.. Even though it pretty much is on the forums as well but it seems some dont bother to come here.. You cant miss the thread for it in the security forums. After you download it and give it a little read and wanna test it let me know and id be glade to do that for you..
Honestly, if they made the link to the forums at the top of the main page of SR instead of at the bottom, more people would be on the forums.
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EDIT: None of these security measures are worth a damn if you tell people about them. Once LE finds out about your setup (they will if you talk about it), you're fucked because they'll simply come prepared.
I feel the same way about encrypted hidden volumes. If everyone starts using them, then LE can assume you have one, even when you honestly supply the password to the only volume and it is clean. In certain regimes, it will guarantee a rubber hose treatment rather than prevent one.
But we don't run the server so we're not giving up secrets. We're just shooting the breeze because security shit is fun. :)
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I'll take that challenge, too. :D
If for no other reason than the chance to prove myself smarter than someone I don't know. And hey, if I'm fucked by it too, that just means you've got another convert.
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA512
BlarghRawr, you are the wind beneath my wings.
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----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=FPVZ
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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EDIT: None of these security measures are worth a damn if you tell people about them. Once LE finds out about your setup (they will if you talk about it), you're fucked because they'll simply come prepared.
I feel the same way about encrypted hidden volumes. If everyone starts using them, then LE can assume you have one, even when you honestly supply the password to the only volume and it is clean. In certain regimes, it will guarantee a rubber hose treatment rather than prevent one.
But we don't run the server so we're not giving up secrets. We're just shooting the breeze because security shit is fun. :)
The funny shit about truecrypt is the layers of recursion, you can truecrypt a volume within a truecrypted volume. You can get real fucking annoying to LEO at the very least, and massively delay your case
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lots of people don't pgp. I just learned it and wish i did sooner. once u get it u'll realize how easy it is but took me 3 hours+ lulz i am an etard.
astor is a huge help and the reason i know how.
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I'll take that challenge, too. :D
If for no other reason than the chance to prove myself smarter than someone I don't know. And hey, if I'm fucked by it too, that just means you've got another convert.
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA512
BlarghRawr, you are the wind beneath my wings.
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJQ28vgAAoJENAcophwbuIH/OsP/2U5x4S6Q9acOCcgxLdFK+Zz
BuvoX1NPggBjzdKS2j5oH9BYSyfr88GZeZqH8McZGM+epSWwv8tvwo1uVny96atZ
hcVlcUMYQwUKVuC5uYpyRRHewRKiuhPGgxOBWixHKTi8sS5TVAV2CH3s7YECV4AR
ZXnir2Rb2gl51Mk5mPUWuBKfK9bM8FJlKV2C8/6pGHz+OeOdB+6DVihVqyhg6GM7
GLcyG3zCdi6Ga/O009XmIolu7I3Do2s9+yetqHxKgz+sfWEf8nrFdBiq1X0rjmu1
+3qLN/3Kghw6lEVAHrl8thU8CsAARIqcM8SMzBbWUblisOapzJrR/rzOUhxgLa1t
dUwS9hpM637yj9zkkO0bjHXbzidoNH7TDJJrbavoPOmfG3fiSCugt3BuyZhFSNOj
1wr8IGqFgh/0rOfUaLbgMggC8VoVjAPFBDY0cf5LjLXnBWekz5IUDCJ3/G8vXehk
kFAPOYWpGcCErVHE71z91BJsp4FYhlL7tR+tvMuScbfo6zMD1tEzgVcerN81b6Xm
lxfBWGhfHRVZFI2vpF7xOsjJY/n8zad3cPGz2by674nACTaFG/6iwglwtjSQsHco
6TMciCm+nEtKJAg4KYnD8+aUwtV+oiYgAzwkAK3O5sKpMtG5OOd837CFkqP4c6Nl
R5toIExVuvr2Mu5oycCu
=FPVZ
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Key ID: 706EE207
Status: Key NOT valid
User Name: astor <astorx@tormail.org>
Description: Uncertain signature by astor <astorx@tormail.org>
... It's literally a button on the fucking clipboard. It just says "verify", and all I needed was to have your key. I assume GPG4WIN is the problem, but if you could check your message yourself(or if someone else could also check it), that would be helpful.
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EDIT: None of these security measures are worth a damn if you tell people about them. Once LE finds out about your setup (they will if you talk about it), you're fucked because they'll simply come prepared.
I feel the same way about encrypted hidden volumes. If everyone starts using them, then LE can assume you have one, even when you honestly supply the password to the only volume and it is clean. In certain regimes, it will guarantee a rubber hose treatment rather than prevent one.
But we don't run the server so we're not giving up secrets. We're just shooting the breeze because security shit is fun. :)
Yeah, I'm not a big fan of the hidden volume thing. "They" can just look at file access dates and see that the fake (outer) OS has never been used. You're better off storing the bootloader on a CD or flash drive, that way the encrypted partition just looks like random data. Keep the bootloader disk on you at all times, that way if you get a knock at the door, you can crush the CD inside of a garbage can and pretend it "broke" the day before.
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Well unless you're going to give up your password I don't see the problem... they can assume as they please.
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Well unless you're going to give up your password I don't see the problem... they can assume as they please.
And in some places, they're going to assume with police brutality until you assume that telling them couldn't possibly be as bad. ... You'll be wrong, by the way.
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA512
BlarghRawr, you are the wind beneath my wings.
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----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=FPVZ
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Key ID: 706EE207
Status: Key NOT valid
User Name: astor <astorx@tormail.org>
Description: Uncertain signature by astor <astorx@tormail.org>
... It's literally a button on the fucking clipboard. It just says "verify", and all I needed was to have your key. I assume GPG4WIN is the problem, but if you could check your message yourself(or if someone else could also check it), that would be helpful.
gpg: Signature made Wed 27 Dec 2012 [REDACTED 4TimeZone] using RSA key ID 706EE207
gpg: Good signature from "astor <astorx@tormail.org>"
Oh! We have a winner kids. Now try to verify my sig with GPG4USB following my tutorial. :)
Edit: the time on the signature should be 04:17:36 UTC if my calculations are right.
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA512
BlarghRawr, you are the wind beneath my wings.
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----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=FPVZ
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Key ID: 706EE207
Status: Key NOT valid
User Name: astor <astorx@tormail.org>
Description: Uncertain signature by astor <astorx@tormail.org>
... It's literally a button on the fucking clipboard. It just says "verify", and all I needed was to have your key. I assume GPG4WIN is the problem, but if you could check your message yourself(or if someone else could also check it), that would be helpful.
gpg: Signature made Wed 27 Dec 2012 [REDACTED 4TimeZone] using RSA key ID 706EE207
gpg: Good signature from "astor <astorx@tormail.org>"
Oh! We have a winner kids. Now try to verify my sig with GPG4USB following my tutorial. :)
Edit: the time on the signature should be 04:17:36 UTC if my calculations are right.
I've got verification with GPG4USB! Completely signed, status OK. Also, check yo' PM.
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Moral of the story is, use GPG4USB. If DPR's next signed announcement doesn't check out, you're probably using a buggy Windows port of GPG.
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Well unless you're going to give up your password I don't see the problem... they can assume as they please.
Someone was jailed in U.K.for 9 months if memory serves, for not revealing their encryption key. There was no "reasonable beyond doubt" and they jailed him on suspicion and not proof. (Glad I don't live U.K..) And as suggested above, corrupt cops (most of them are) will assault a suspect into revealing it. (Which is why everyone hates them so much.)
Merely smiling smugly while police try to find out an encryption key is not going to help you at all.
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Someone was jailed in U.K.for 9 months if memory serves, for not revealing their encryption key. There was no "reasonable beyond doubt" and they jailed him on suspicion and not proof. (Glad I don't live U.K..) And as suggested above, corrupt cops (most of them are) will assault a suspect into revealing it. (Which is why everyone hates them so much.)
Most countries don't have protections against self-incrimination. UK is one of them. You can get up to 2 years for refusing to provide a password. The 5th Amendment is an awesomely antiquated tool, in that, unlike ECPA, it provides more protection than modern government and LE would allow. Let's face it, if the US constitution were written from scratch, there would be no 4th and 5th Amendments. But we have it, and the lower courts have gone about 50-50 so far on the issue of whether providing a password is self-incriminating. I believe it will go to the Supreme Court at some point. Hopefully we'll win.
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Someone was jailed in U.K.for 9 months if memory serves, for not revealing their encryption key. There was no "reasonable beyond doubt" and they jailed him on suspicion and not proof. (Glad I don't live U.K..) And as suggested above, corrupt cops (most of them are) will assault a suspect into revealing it. (Which is why everyone hates them so much.)
Most countries don't have protections against self-incrimination. UK is one of them. You can get up to 2 years for refusing to provide a password. The 5th Amendment is an awesomely antiquated tool, in that, unlike ECPA, it provides more protection than modern government and LE would allow. Let's face it, if the US constitution were written from scratch, there would be no 4th and 5th Amendments. But we have it, and the lower courts have gone about 50-50 so far on the issue of whether providing a password is self-incriminating. I believe it will go to the Supreme Court at some point. Hopefully we'll win.
Didn't know that!!!!
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Someone was jailed in U.K.for 9 months if memory serves, for not revealing their encryption key. There was no "reasonable beyond doubt" and they jailed him on suspicion and not proof. (Glad I don't live U.K..) And as suggested above, corrupt cops (most of them are) will assault a suspect into revealing it. (Which is why everyone hates them so much.)
Most countries don't have protections against self-incrimination. UK is one of them. You can get up to 2 years for refusing to provide a password. The 5th Amendment is an awesomely antiquated tool, in that, unlike ECPA, it provides more protection than modern government and LE would allow. Let's face it, if the US constitution were written from scratch, there would be no 4th and 5th Amendments. But we have it, and the lower courts have gone about 50-50 so far on the issue of whether providing a password is self-incriminating. I believe it will go to the Supreme Court at some point. Hopefully we'll win.
U.S., Australia and I'm pretty sure U.K. as well do, or SHOULD, have protections against self-incrimination -- 5th amendment in U.S., S264J and 264(B) ii in Australia, not sure about U.K. but it must. He was jailed under a new law that came into effect 2006 in Britain that waived somebody's right to be tried beyond reasonable doubt regarding the release of encryption keys. He was sentenced for something ASSUMED on his computer. Also, in U.S., the FBI set up a "honeypot" composed of false links that suggested underage material. The link, once clicked, lead to an error page, but police arrested him (under pretense of inquiring about his car while undercover) and charged him with intent, not possession, of downloading something even though no illegal material ever reached his PC. Don't know of outcome as fairly recent. People were outraged the FBI could charge someone without "beyond reasonable doubt" standard of law, or even committing a crime. The U.K. and U.S. in these situations both disregarded this requirement.
But you're right on when you say
The 5th Amendment is an awesomely antiquated tool, in that, unlike ECPA, it provides more protection than modern government and LE would allow.
........ and that if postmodern lawmakers had their way, they wouldn't even allow us to have that. (FYI, Australia is also this moment trying to pass a law in parliament that removes the right to silence when arrested. They're using the outlaw bikies as precedent to sneak two laws through, this is one of them.)
CRAP! Look how much I wrote! I deserve a goddamn coffee!!!
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I don't think there is any way to find out how many vendors are arrested and how many have gone private or are on vacation other than reading through court cases or something like that. Even then there is going to be a ton of lag time between the arrest and the information becoming available.
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Hey, I am new here and was just wondering if someone could direct me to some information on sending encrypted messages and whatnot when dealing with ppl.
This is a good tutorial :) http://32yehzkk7jflf6r2.onion/gpg4usb/
Thanks ASTOR, I appreciate the help!
The thing I like about places like this is that 98% of the people are honest, helpful and legit. We shouldnt be pushed underground to do what we wanna do, it can be handled responsibly by most and SR and other such sites are a fine examples of such.
-TCM :)
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Well unless you're going to give up your password I don't see the problem... they can assume as they please.
Someone was jailed in U.K.for 9 months if memory serves, for not revealing their encryption key. There was no "reasonable beyond doubt" and they jailed him on suspicion and not proof. (Glad I don't live U.K..) And as suggested above, corrupt cops (most of them are) will assault a suspect into revealing it. (Which is why everyone hates them so much.)
Merely smiling smugly while police try to find out an encryption key is not going to help you at all.
I mean the password to your hidden volume. You could give up the outer volume password if it made sense legally... but you should't have anything incriminating in that volume.
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Honestly, people especially in non-US countries need to "quickly" adopt the no hard drive system, as posited on here a while back by KMF.
They have malware that sits idle on bootup drives, and overrides even Tails with some fake bootup probably using some part of the computer to spy for as long as you use that media that is infected.
I am unsure if the malware is mainly dropped on suspected computers by government hackers through loopholes or if it is something more like they gain access without warrants and plant the malware on your USB drive or hard drive. There are always going to be loopholes for this type of entry.
Trucrypt isn't enough encryption anyway cops wouldn't need to attack someone with 20,000 dollars into a system to crack it. These police probably just don't have the money or in a country that doesn't have them yet. Again likely most are not using a proper enough password, so also encryption won't help you. Just more reasons to not use a harddrive.
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when busted... never say anything to the police... even if you are innocent. if you are innocent, eventually cops will figure that out. But talking to the cops, expecially when you are innocent is bad, because before they even approach you, they have their entire case, and list of charges and story ready, they just try to give you a line of questioning that will prove their case. EVEN if you are innocent.
coz one thing is for sure, remember, what ever you say, its going to be your word against theirs....
they can say, "i asked the defendant if he had drugs on him during our conversation and he replied yes, and he said distributed it on a daily basis"
sure you can say you didn't say that or whatever, but when its a drug dealers word against a cops, cops always win. But if you didnt say anything at all, then yeah thats going to be hard coz no one heard you talk one word.
so if you get busted, just stfu and let the nice policeman do his job, don't go doing his job for him by talking. You aint gonna talk your way out of anything. If you have a big sob story, save it for the judge during sentencing.
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Honestly, people especially in non-US countries need to "quickly" adopt the no hard drive system, as posited on here a while back by KMF.
They have malware that sits idle on bootup drives, and overrides even Tails with some fake bootup probably using some part of the computer to spy for as long as you use that media that is infected.
I am unsure if the malware is mainly dropped on suspected computers by government hackers through loopholes or if it is something more like they gain access without warrants and plant the malware on your USB drive or hard drive. There are always going to be loopholes for this type of entry.
Trucrypt isn't enough encryption anyway cops wouldn't need to attack someone with 20,000 dollars into a system to crack it. These police probably just don't have the money or in a country that doesn't have them yet. Again likely most are not using a proper enough password, so also encryption won't help you. Just more reasons to not use a harddrive.
^^THIS!
Everyone on Earth who is doing anything seriously illegal should adopt the "no hard drive system". Not only can LE install rootkits via idle hard drives, it's also possible to covertly mark the drive so that they can verify you are the same person they were investigating online.
Boot from a CD-R and remove all other storage media from the machine. That way, once you reboot, nothing persists. If you're really paranoid, disable BIOS flashing or find a PC that allows you to do so.
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Honestly, people especially in non-US countries need to "quickly" adopt the no hard drive system, as posited on here a while back by KMF.
They have malware that sits idle on bootup drives, and overrides even Tails with some fake bootup probably using some part of the computer to spy for as long as you use that media that is infected.
I am unsure if the malware is mainly dropped on suspected computers by government hackers through loopholes or if it is something more like they gain access without warrants and plant the malware on your USB drive or hard drive. There are always going to be loopholes for this type of entry.
Trucrypt isn't enough encryption anyway cops wouldn't need to attack someone with 20,000 dollars into a system to crack it. These police probably just don't have the money or in a country that doesn't have them yet. Again likely most are not using a proper enough password, so also encryption won't help you. Just more reasons to not use a harddrive.
^^THIS!
Everyone on Earth who is doing anything seriously illegal should adopt the "no hard drive system". Not only can LE install rootkits via idle hard drives, it's also possible to covertly mark the drive so that they can verify you are the same person they were investigating online.
Boot from a CD-R and remove all other storage media from the machine. That way, once you reboot, nothing persists. If you're really paranoid, disable BIOS flashing or find a PC that allows you to do so.
We adopted the system a week back, we feel much more secure now. Its a hard drive free house :) both our liberté laptops have had the HDD removed and run on flash and our PC runs on a quickly removable SSD. all are small and fragile enough to be hidden / destroyed quickly in a raid. The time it would take the piggies to get past the reinforced doors and dogs we could have all the evidence vanish. That is as long as Rox stops leaving the fucking door open when she gets food delivered.
ACE
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^^Sounds like you got a good setup. As long as LE doesn't learn about your defenses beforehand, they will likely not be prepared. Watch out for "sneak and peak" searches of the place when no one is around.
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Busts seem few and far between on here with a community like this weeding out the dicks and pigs.
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Honestly, people especially in non-US countries need to "quickly" adopt the no hard drive system, as posited on here a while back by KMF.
They have malware that sits idle on bootup drives, and overrides even Tails with some fake bootup probably using some part of the computer to spy for as long as you use that media that is infected.
I am unsure if the malware is mainly dropped on suspected computers by government hackers through loopholes or if it is something more like they gain access without warrants and plant the malware on your USB drive or hard drive. There are always going to be loopholes for this type of entry.
Trucrypt isn't enough encryption anyway cops wouldn't need to attack someone with 20,000 dollars into a system to crack it. These police probably just don't have the money or in a country that doesn't have them yet. Again likely most are not using a proper enough password, so also encryption won't help you. Just more reasons to not use a harddrive.
^^THIS!
Everyone on Earth who is doing anything seriously illegal should adopt the "no hard drive system". Not only can LE install rootkits via idle hard drives, it's also possible to covertly mark the drive so that they can verify you are the same person they were investigating online.
Boot from a CD-R and remove all other storage media from the machine. That way, once you reboot, nothing persists. If you're really paranoid, disable BIOS flashing or find a PC that allows you to do so.
We adopted the system a week back, we feel much more secure now. Its a hard drive free house :) both our liberté laptops have had the HDD removed and run on flash and our PC runs on a quickly removable SSD. all are small and fragile enough to be hidden / destroyed quickly in a raid. The time it would take the piggies to get past the reinforced doors and dogs we could have all the evidence vanish. That is as long as Rox stops leaving the fucking door open when she gets food delivered.
ACE
Lol. Sounds like your only security flaw is munchies.
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The time it would take the piggies to get past the reinforced doors and dogs we could have all the evidence vanish. That is as long as Rox stops leaving the fucking door open when she gets food delivered.
ACE
THIS ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ !!!!!!!!! pmsl + roflmao + lmao!!! ;D ::)
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Honestly, people especially in non-US countries need to "quickly" adopt the no hard drive system, as posited on here a while back by KMF.
They have malware that sits idle on bootup drives, and overrides even Tails with some fake bootup probably using some part of the computer to spy for as long as you use that media that is infected.
I am unsure if the malware is mainly dropped on suspected computers by government hackers through loopholes or if it is something more like they gain access without warrants and plant the malware on your USB drive or hard drive. There are always going to be loopholes for this type of entry.
Trucrypt isn't enough encryption anyway cops wouldn't need to attack someone with 20,000 dollars into a system to crack it. These police probably just don't have the money or in a country that doesn't have them yet. Again likely most are not using a proper enough password, so also encryption won't help you. Just more reasons to not use a harddrive.
^^THIS!
Everyone on Earth who is doing anything seriously illegal should adopt the "no hard drive system". Not only can LE install rootkits via idle hard drives, it's also possible to covertly mark the drive so that they can verify you are the same person they were investigating online.
Boot from a CD-R and remove all other storage media from the machine. That way, once you reboot, nothing persists. If you're really paranoid, disable BIOS flashing or find a PC that allows you to do so.
We adopted the system a week back, we feel much more secure now. Its a hard drive free house :) both our liberté laptops have had the HDD removed and run on flash and our PC runs on a quickly removable SSD. all are small and fragile enough to be hidden / destroyed quickly in a raid. The time it would take the piggies to get past the reinforced doors and dogs we could have all the evidence vanish. That is as long as Rox stops leaving the fucking door open when she gets food delivered.
ACE
@ACE lmfao good look. @sourman, nothing, and KMF Thanks for dropping some knowledge!!
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Edited on someones advice for revealing too much about my setup..
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I've been looking into Tails a bit and apparently it's not as secure as it could be for your particular use.
The developers of tails have it setup out of the box to work well for people who are more benifited by having a a larger likelyhood that some but never all of their internet traffic is intercepted where a vendor needs 100% anonimity.
The flaw with tails, for you, is that Tails uses a lot of entry gaurds. This increases the chance that LE controls both the entry and exit node you are using and at particular time.
From what I've read so far, and I am not an expert by any means, you would want to limit the number of entry gaurds you use by either messing around in Tails or by using Liberte.
Liberte has a setup that's more condusive to vending as you are much more likely to have 100% anonimity, however, if you were pwned then the atacker would see a much higher percentage of your traffic.
I guess I'd say that while your setup is OK, it's entirely possible LE in your country or another can potentially figure out who you are by running a number of entry gaurds and as you cycle through those quickly in Tails your risk of getting identified increases.
If you are going to continue running Tails with no modifications I think something that may help is using a computer specifically for vending and only using it on public or anon wifi in random places.
Would be nice to hear someone who knows more about this stuff rambple for a while.
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Can someone critique my current vending setup and tell me if it's secure enough:
The rest of the BTC I transfer back into Silk Road into a buyers account and buy drugs domestically with that I can turn into cash quickly while making a small profit.
That depends on how well you separate your MtGox account from your SR account. Since your real identity is linked to your MtGox account, hopefully you run those coins through a mixing service, or two, or three.
I also have a hidden usb stick... that runs tails, that I boot the personal computer from. I keep a small encrypted file with the Silk Road URL and all login details hidden on an online email account I access through the Tails USB before I go on my Vending account. I also keep a backup copy of my passwords and BTC wallets encrypted on a USB that I have hidden in a family members house that will never fall under police suspicion just incase I lose any of my details or the online email account goes down.
If you read through my post history (I'm a little too drunk to find the posts myself right now, but some of them are in threads on the front page of the Security section :), you'll see that I'm not a fan of encrypted volumes (files, partitions, external media) per se, because they can leak info about their contents onto unencrypted drives, but loading encrypted volumes from Tails is safe, because it is booted in a read-only state and saves nothing, and implements added security featurs like scrambling RAM on shutdown.
I think your set up is pretty safe overall. It really all depends on how strong your passwords are. Remember, the security of a 256 bit AES encryption key depends on the bit strength of the password used to encrypt it.
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Lots of good knowledge here guys. I like the idea of using no hard drive...then a micro sd card that your laptop runs tails or whatever off of. You could almost swallow it and destroy the evidence in no time.
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Can someone critique my current vending setup and tell me if it's secure enough:
I have 2 laptops, one which a work laptop for my legitimate business, the other a personal one for facebook, personal shit, etc. On my work laptop I have true-crypt installed and an encrypted keyfile (with a very long password) that contains BTC wallet details I use when transferring money in and out of the bank, usually through Mt Gox (My legal business accepts BTC as a form of payment so I declare some of my income through my accountant and pay tax on it). The rest of the BTC I transfer back into Silk Road into a buyers account and buy drugs domestically with that I can turn into cash quickly while making a small profit.
I also have a hidden usb stick (I won't say what it is but it definitely doesn't look like a usb drive and i'm fairly confident it wouldn't even be found in a raid) that runs tails, that I boot the personal computer from. I keep a small encrypted file with the Silk Road URL and all login details hidden on an online email account I access through the Tails USB before I go on my Vending account. I also keep a backup copy of my passwords and BTC wallets encrypted on a USB that I have hidden in a family members house that will never fall under police suspicion just incase I lose any of my details or the online email account goes down.
Is this alright? This thread has made me a little paranoid about the investigative techniques that police have at their disposal.
www.hidemyass.com is one of the best investments you can make. $60 ATM for 12 months. I use it all the time. Good luck with your endeavors friend.
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Bad Idea, hidemyass.com was recently found to have handed over logs of its users to law enforcement despite claiming it keeps no logs.
You can Google it or even look on their own website where they try to defend having done it. In the 'privacy policy' section I think.
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Moral of the story is, use GPG4USB. If DPR's next signed announcement doesn't check out, you're probably using a buggy Windows port of GPG.
Or DPR's fucked up the signature again... which they seem to be in the habit of doing.
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haha, well then he should be using GPG4USB. :)
Actually, he should just be using command line gpg, because if he's technically competent enough to secure the site and keep us safe, he'd be proficient on Linux.
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......... ^^^ I think they are a cop people... shhhhhhh
seriously though
"This is a war on drugs and the people behind it are the users creating demand. Alongside the pushers all too ready to supply that demand at the expense of our society. Killing users as well as neighborhoods to line their own pockets."
where to start? so by the logic you have used there the users are the front line of soldiers in this war? kinda like if there wasn't any fences (sellers of stolen goods) and buyers there would be no thieves huh? And pushers? interesting choice of language used there. Facilitators would be the other end of that scale and both are gross generalizations and well in line with someone indoctrinated in the propaganda regarding prohibition and the inherent evil of drugs and the people who are involved in them. That last line is just pathetic. So you would be a believer in "the problems of society are there because of drugs" I'm thinking? A more accurate mindset would be "the drugs are there because of the problems of society" Not all dealers 'push' their wares on people, in fact I don't know of any dealer that actively pushes drugs but rather sells drugs to those that seek them out, so this is just plain old offensive and dangerous ignorance.
The people behind the war on drugs are the world governments and law enforcement. They started it, they continue it and they justify its costs in human terms and all others through puppets like yourself dribbling shit like this.. The reason law enforcement often target the last rung on the ladder, the users, is because they are the soft targets and they are too incompetent or dirty to go after the big timers. They, the users, are the ones that feed the statistics that they use to justify their jobs and to feel powerful from. They have made no impact on drugs in the real world beyond moving the cartels out of Columbia and into Mexico, from Coke to Meth as the 'cream' product, removing the small amount of restraint the big boys had by hunting them down and killing or incarcerating them leaving situations like the Mexico situation which is such that the death squads or enforcement gangs that once did as they where told are now in charge and killing as they see fit and entrenching big pharma as the only real pushers left in the world so its unlikely that they will be able to stop in in the cyber world They are idiots, thugs and dirty and are only saved by the disgusting amount of money and resources they have.
I really want to go on and on but honestly know I'll just be trying to teach a tree to swim or or dirt to fly... PGP will save those who can back it up with silence and a request for a lawyer if ever targeted by these letches.
Fuck it, its not finished but....
'Enjoy these times we are part of as free and alive people, truly masters of our universe.. Celebrate this miracle and evolution; the globalization and digitization of the civil disobedience against the draconian and oppressive war on drugs and the world wide prohibition that's been in place for just too long. This is the new age that we are the pioneers and architects of… this is our counter war against misinformation and oppression or as I like to call our online nation and we its members; the Peoples Freedom Fighters for The Republic Of Why The Fuck Can't I have Safe and Clean Drugs Island (or PFFFTROWTFCIHSACD for short). Finally we are able to wind back the damage done by the hypocritical generation that had its cake and ate it too and now has the Gaul to say we can't do the same all while lamenting at us that the universe would tear apart and we would all be raging psychotic loons if we were let to take these toxic poisons made from demons souls and peddled by sub human animals.. Forget that their generation literally got fucked up for weeks at a time on LSD, Coke and every other substance they could and they survived along with the fabric of time/space and the universe at large…. because it was different then... It just was OK? I heard that the 'DEA' big guns have now found that it was the war on drugs that saved the world on 21/12/2012.. True story... ;-)
So eat, drink and smell the bounty of sustenance at our disposal and while you’re at it have a feed, a drink and share good words with those of a like mind and marvel at the possibilities that we are creating for our children's children. By their time we will surely have realized the error and re-educated the masses striking aside the false and dangerous propaganda that's been indoctrinated so deeply in even the minds of even the most sane and intelligent members of our civilisation and they, our ancestors, will truly live in an enlightened age filled with exploration of the evolution of our minds and bodies into more than just living, working, breading and dying drones. No they will be unlocking the universe by unlocking our own inner universe of power, understanding and compassion. Make the most of these days of holidays and rest because there is much work to be done to see this happen and it’s on people like you, me and the ones out there that are respectable, productive and civilized souls that live their double lives, working and paying taxes and being perfect imitation automatons while supplementing and enhancing their existence with the medicines and tonics considered 'illicit', too afraid to be unashamedly true to their own self and beliefs just yet. If only they understood they are the majority and not the evil dilettantes as claimed by the puppets of big Pharma and those that would see the world run as a giant farm of docile and compliant 'worker' humans and they will one day, if we are able to be a cohesive resistance movement that is organized and driven to quantified goals, be shown this as fact.. Like they; the misguided DEA agents, law enforcement officers and health workers, are a tool of suppression that is organized and driven to quantified goals with money and resources directed towards achieving these goals while undermining and fracturing our effort in same, only once we too have moved from the stockpiling of money by a few and put it to use by tooling and educating the ones that would be able to counter and conquer these oppressors, that's us all, we can also mold the world to the paradise we know it could be by freeing the truth and taking the worlds single biggest industry, which is a generator of money and work on a scale like no other, out from the darkness and into place where we have it working for us and financing the medical research, the study of Maths and Physics and Chemistry, The building of our Schools and roads and libraries, the feeding and housing and clothing of all peoples of this species. How could it not be so that if we took the combined sum of moneys and resources expended on enforcing the status quo and punishing the crimes of substance abuse, most of which are a direct result of the forcing underground and dehumanizing of recreational drug takers to ensure the continued committing of petty crimes as their options are slowly taken from them and their minds poisoned by tainting the substances with heavy metals and free radicals as is achieved by withholding the clean ingredients so easily and cheaply produced but leaving access to industrial products and adapted alternatives, and the other side which is the spastic amount of money spent worldwide on these drugs together? It is almost impossible to know exactly what this combined total would come to but it is easy to understand that there is a domino effect in terms of the costs and effects of this system we have in place. To paraphrase a US Police Officer filmed in a processing center in Las Vegas, which unlike the jails which are Corrections jurisdiction are run by the police force themselves, on the popular US reality show called Cops “we see some of these people very often and even some on a daily basis for public intoxication, usually on drugs, and other misdemeanors like public nuisance and resist etc. They keep us busy so much so that a lot of us wouldn’t have anything to do without them. We would more than likely not have these jobs” which on the face sounds like a good thing right? Jobs for cops, those with records and addictions need not apply, and the jobs for the builders of the centers and jails right through to the workers at the electricity plant that powers the Tasers being charged, doors being locked and lights being on 24/7. If we look at it again though we can ask things like;
‘What else could these people be doing? Why couldn’t the cops be doing other mindless tasks? With the enforcing of these laws through physical and mental force being the ultimate of these ‘don’t question why or think about it just do it’ jobs is (again to quote “we don’t make the laws we just enforce them” and “that’s for the Judge to decide” this tells you just how the loyalty and dedication in these people has been manipulated into them being basically armed thugs with a list of what’s OK and what’s not as outlined by legislation often 30 or more years old) Perhaps tasks like quality control on assembly lines is something they are well suited to?
Why couldn’t the builders have been building a school or hospital or road?
Why can’t that power be used to run the super computers which can model and solve the mysteries of the world and universe or any number of other things such as providing warmth, cooking or refrigeration?
Surely if the drugs are taken from the organized crime gangs and developed to improve our civilization and people rather than gain the highest profit and be the most addictive, as is the case today for the vast majority of what’s out there today, we could see a world where people can improve their performance, improve their relationships and enjoy peaceful rest every night without the risk of incarceration and without being ‘recorded’ as a lower class of citizen?
Isn’t that what our military, elite athletes and others in ‘approved’ roles are given access to in some cases? Are they not also the elite top performers of their industry, perhaps due to rather than in spite of, the ‘medicating’ schedules that include the very same drugs that are denied the average citizen?’
These Jet Pilots, Special Forces and medical professionals (Politician like John Kennedy who took daily injections of various amphetamines could also be counted here) are considered the top 2-5% of our species… but how can this be if drugs are evil and they the reason for all the breakdowns in civilization the world over? The other 98% are left to their own devices and restricted in their access to any of the ‘Pharmaceutical grades’ of these substances while also being denied the guidance and support from the Doctors and medical technologies available and with adulterants (often the harmful thing to the health of the taker) added in, the combination of which simply makes it an almost certainty that they will use dirty substances and what’s available to them rather than what’s best for them which again just herds them down the path to mental illness and criminal behavior. When they are taking these substances they are called illicit drug users or ‘Junkies’, amongst other things, and the question is asked of them “are you clean?” as if there is a stain on them, their soul and character, and they are an unclean person. A stain that these elite military and other ‘approved’ subsets of our societies are immune to it seems. They are taking a ‘prescription medication’ under the guidance of health professional though and the meth/amphet/opiate/benzo they are given is a clean medication, not a dirty illicit drug you see...'
Just a few thoughts I put to document the other day.....
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haha, well then he should be using GPG4USB. :)
Actually, he should just be using command line gpg, because if he's technically competent enough to secure the site and keep us safe, he'd be proficient on Linux.
Interesting that you mention that, actually. Some of DPR's earlier signed messages bore a Version: string that indicated that they were using Linux. However, later ones indicated that they were using Windows. Go figure.
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Did kola get busted?
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Took me a while to figure out what you meant, En See. DeePeeAh’s sig has indeed changed, just not the one I was thinking of. Between November 12 – 17 PGP key changed to reflect a different PGP. Went from GNU/Linex to MingW32. I presume W is Windows. 32 is 32bit. Does that actually matter? Not everyone is at your technical level En See. Maybe astor and a few others. Myself being a boar in the mud won’t understand the significance. Had some guts talking about old mods like that right under NB’s snout in dat spambuster thread. I’ll give you that pal. Props. Now it’s time for my mud bath. *snort*
JustForNow deserves + karma for that effort. It be truth, and written like a professor.
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LE would not interact with the forums. They would just lurk to gather intel and get ideas for weaknesses.
Police are not stupid enough to jepardise an ongoing investigation.
It's the dealers they are after but if a few personal buyers go down as well then so be it. You cannot make an omelet without cracking a few eggs!
Post you dribble on the Dr Phil forums BiB. We don't care for what you have to say!! >:(
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Thank you BiB or is it Mr Dibba Dobba? Who needs enemies with a friend like you! Fuck off and leave me alone. I won't be responding again. I'll be watching Dr Phil today to see how you got on!! >:( ::)
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BiB:
LEO is going to haul your ass in for being low hanging, rotting fruit. Slap you around a while then ram an old splintering mop handle up your ass, just cause you fucked their shit up with your big mouth.
Lube won't help. It never does in these situations. It just means they go deeper, faster until your large intestine hangs out your shoot.
Then some poor old coroner will have to stuff it all back up so you can fit in the suit yo momma picked out for your funeral.
Look at all the people you're inconveniencing? That ain't right. Shit. Aint. Right.
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I have had a buyer's account for some time, but recently I've noticed a lot of vendors missing form the psychedelic and ecstasy sections. Is this related to busts, are there already threads about this that people could link me? There used to be a lot of LSD and MDMA vendors and within around a two month span the number dropped to nearly none. I really don't want to use bmr because the prices aren't very competitive, especially price per mic of LSD, but SR is worrying me now.
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If you have a litle of paranoid personality in you this is the best place to use it, security!!... just use encrypt, dont give away your info... etc etc
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LE would not interact with the forums. They would just lurk to gather intel and get ideas for weaknesses.
Police are not stupid enough to jepardise an ongoing investigation.
It's the dealers they are after but if a few personal buyers go down as well then so be it. You cannot make an omelet without cracking a few eggs!
The problem with yoo, yoo stoopid fucking newbie, is that you don't no shit. How would you no how LE works? Mmmmmmmm.
I looked into your profile. 34 posts in your first day on SR. Mmmmmmmm. How sad. You spent NYE all alone trolling on the forum. Mmmmmmmm. Do you even GET how pathetic you are? *cackle* If you had somewhere to be you would not be here.
Classic loner behaviour. *snort*
Some people have friends ICL but not IRL. You, though do not have any friends period. Don't give up. There's always next lifetime. *squuuuuuuuil!*
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LE would not interact with the forums. They would just lurk to gather intel and get ideas for weaknesses.
Police are not stupid enough to jepardise an ongoing investigation.
It's the dealers they are after but if a few personal buyers go down as well then so be it. You cannot make an omelet without cracking a few eggs!
The problem with yoo, yoo stoopid fucking newbie, is that you don't no shit. How would you no how LE works? Mmmmmmmm.
I looked into your profile. 34 posts in your first day on SR. Mmmmmmmm. How sad. You spent NYE all alone trolling on the forum. Mmmmmmmm. Do you even GET how pathetic you are? *cackle* If you had somewhere to be you would not be here.
Classic loner behaviour. *snort*
Some people have friends ICL but not IRL. You, though do not have any friends period. Don't give up. There's always next lifetime. *squuuuuuuuil!*
Thanks for the PM mate. Can't reply as your using a guest account (??) but thank you for taking the time.
*snort* I loved the double entendre you boar!! I assume it was an intentional pun and so to you sir I say... 'well played... well played indeed'
This is someones sig and I'm stealing it and posting it here.. actually its on a vendors page I think.. really cannot remember but when I do credit will be given;
"I believe knowing right from wrong is more important than knowing the law. The law disrupts
and destroys the lives of good innocent people as yourself who are never a threat to anyone.
The law does not see this is wrong. It's a crime good innocent people have to live in fear of
the law."
To whit I would add;
"the biggest negative impact on society and the average citizen relating to illicit drugs is the enforcement of the laws that govern them. This along with tighter gun control laws will see the final end to Liberty and enable the formation of a system that controls the populace and removes the individuals right to correct or even any information beyond that which is 'approved' by the system and the powers that run it"
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Does anyone have any information on a good PGP encryption program as well as a tutorial for someone running it on a MAC OSX please?? Any help is much appreciated!
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Does anyone have any information on a good PGP encryption program as well as a tutorial for someone running it on a MAC OSX please?? Any help is much appreciated!
https://www.gpgtools.org/ for Mac OSX. This was fairly easy to set up. Most issues you have can most likely be solved by downloading specific nightly builds from https://nightly.gpgtools.org/.
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is ggc still about?
something a bit fishy...
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also, not sure why, but over the last week or so i've received orders from people who have put their addresses and PHONE NUMBERS unencrypted
It's funny because there's so much debate on the forum, and people go to such lengths to get coins anonymously, then turn right around and post their plaintext addresses on the server.
Funny. I see what you did there!
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Although its always good to be on top of your security, dont let it get on top of you. be safe and secure and learn PGP.
your paranoia will always get you before LE.
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Hey bro this dummies guide to pgp that a retard could understand. Any chance you could describe where to get it?
This has received great reviews: http://32yehzkk7jflf6r2.onion/gpg4usb/
i agree. GPG4USB is so easy. i attempted to use Kleopatra/GPG4WIN and found it cumbersome, non intuitive, and nonuser friendly. if any one wants to practice feel free to message me. my public key is:
-----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----
Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (MingW32)
mQENBFC1gFIBCADOuHzO7Um+cK1hq1h1h5pDUFFYFrykBTsgQ3VRBp421qTzl5Xz
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Trojan was busted due to his incompetance. i made multiple orders with him before this obviously and can say that he had some of the best stealth on the road.
he was busted and im still here.
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Trojan was busted due to his incompetance. i made multiple orders with him before this obviously and can say that he had some of the best stealth on the road.
he was busted and im still here.
Good men faileth, and no one asks why, and the evil man riseth up and prospers yet no one asks why. Certainly, the time of man is created by divine will to enable him to seek out the Eternal Master. It was his spirit that seeks comfort in us, not that we should become greedy and full of corruption, but that we be humble and endure in patience while learning about the Eternal God asking for wisdom. This is the original sin, hiding from God rather than coming to him and accepting his judgement so that he might bring about healing and happiness. It is the mind of man that corrupts the will of God, as a imperfection it is enabled itself to only do evil after we were abandoned in deep space on earth after Sin. Yet we were not totally abandoned, as he will never leave us nor forsake us even unto the end of time.
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LE would not interact with the forums. They would just lurk to gather intel and get ideas for weaknesses.
Police are not stupid enough to jepardise an ongoing investigation.
It's the dealers they are after but if a few personal buyers go down as well then so be it. You cannot make an omelet without cracking a few eggs!
The problem with yoo, yoo stoopid fucking newbie, is that you don't no shit. How would you no how LE works? Mmmmmmmm.
I looked into your profile. 34 posts in your first day on SR. Mmmmmmmm. How sad. You spent NYE all alone trolling on the forum. Mmmmmmmm. Do you even GET how pathetic you are? *cackle* If you had somewhere to be you would not be here.
Classic loner behaviour. *snort*
Some people have friends ICL but not IRL. You, though do not have any friends period. Don't give up. There's always next lifetime. *squuuuuuuuil!*
Thanks for the PM mate. Can't reply as your using a guest account (??) but thank you for taking the time.
*snort* I loved the double entendre you boar!! I assume it was an intentional pun and so to you sir I say... 'well played... well played indeed'
This is someones sig and I'm stealing it and posting it here.. actually its on a vendors page I think.. really cannot remember but when I do credit will be given;
"I believe knowing right from wrong is more important than knowing the law. The law disrupts
and destroys the lives of good innocent people as yourself who are never a threat to anyone.
The law does not see this is wrong. It's a crime good innocent people have to live in fear of
the law."
To whit I would add;
"the biggest negative impact on society and the average citizen relating to illicit drugs is the enforcement of the laws that govern them. This along with tighter gun control laws will see the final end to Liberty and enable the formation of a system that controls the populace and removes the individuals right to correct or even any information beyond that which is 'approved' by the system and the powers that run it"
LOL, piggy in a bad mood that day if I remember correctly? Probably over that dickhead BiB, perhaps the PM involved asking you who the identity of BiB was. I'm not sure.Your quotes seem to be about law enforcement, or its failure, perhaps the PM was about that. I'm not sure.
Piggy boar is gone by the looks of the "Guest" status. LOL double entendre. Good quotes, both of them, and really hard not to give the thumbs up. First time SR Forums has been down for me, while they fixed the catchpa Verification. I thought it was Egyptian hieroglyphics for a moment.