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Discussion => Security => Topic started by: CapnCrunched on November 24, 2012, 05:27 am

Title: Question about selling bitcoins
Post by: CapnCrunched on November 24, 2012, 05:27 am
So I've had a bunch of btc on my account for a while, and then I quit drugs so they have only been sitting. And now for personal reasons I'm going to be quitting again.

So my question is, am I allowed to sell / trade btc on tbe forums or something without a vendor account? Cause I mean obviously I could use one of the vendors that sell dollars through mail but then I'd be losing a huge chunk, and I imagine I could easily sell my bitcoins to other people for slightly under the mtgox average and get almost all of the money back.

Any thoughts or anything?
Title: Re: Question about selling bitcoins
Post by: HassleHoff on November 24, 2012, 05:58 am
You can transfer your bitcoins out of your SR account to any bitcoin wallet of your choice from there you can easily sell them and transfer the money to a bank account , or get pre-paid credit cards or somthing.
Title: Re: Question about selling bitcoins
Post by: HassleHoff on November 24, 2012, 06:10 am
How would I sell them from there? I mean i know how to transfer them out, but I assume if i sold to a vendor or someone who is just going to resell them I'd get a lot less than what I'd like to get for them

One way to do it would be to set up an account at btc-e , deposit your bitcoins there, then sell them - you set the asking price. Then withdraw the USD as PayPal to your bank account.
Title: Re: Question about selling bitcoins
Post by: comsec on November 25, 2012, 05:14 am
What bullshit, the bitcoin seller should have to send his coins to the SR system first, they verify they ACTUALLY HAVE THE COINS and then tell the other party to send money. If the bitcoin seller get's nothing he should get the coins back. That's how real escrow works. LOL SR CMON NOW EXCHANGEZONE.COM CAN DO IT SO CAN UUU
Title: Re: Question about selling bitcoins
Post by: comsec on November 25, 2012, 05:31 am
What bullshit, the bitcoin seller should have to send his coins to the SR system first, they verify they ACTUALLY HAVE THE COINS and then tell the other party to send money. If the bitcoin seller get's nothing he should get the coins back. That's how real escrow works. LOL SR CMON NOW EXCHANGEZONE.COM CAN DO IT SO CAN UUU

what?

i paid CapnCrunched, he supposedly sent the bitcoins, but somewhere between his wallet and mine, the transaction is stuck or lost or something.  it shows in his account history that they were sent, but i never received them and blockchain verifies that none were sent to my address .... so somewhere between our two wallet, there is a lost transaction.

uhh, he's lying you got scammed.
enjoy

there's no 'stuck' bitcoins, either he sent it to your address or he didn't. the end
Title: Re: Question about selling bitcoins
Post by: comsec on November 25, 2012, 06:49 am
then why does his account history page show that he sent the bitcoins to my bitcoin address?

what, his SR account?
or his photoshopped/fake screenshot of his bitcoin-qt program that he conveniently claimed 'BSODd' right after he sent the coins?

It was through his SR account, you're also a vendor, go after DPR in the vendor forums about it. Write 'support' a million times until they do something, you prob already gave them $10k in commissions at least.

No offense nigga, but should also be noted why the fuck are you buying bitcoins from people on this site, with your vendor account. Do you want to be busted?

If I'm DEA, the first thing I'm doing is becoming a major bitcoin exchanger here because

a) it's legal, feds can do this, build trust, and collect intel without breaking regulations
b) traceable money to follow
c) surveillance whoever paid you or cashed out through you
d) bust them
e) make them become informants
f) repeat

I hope to fuck you didn't pay this guy directly, with Western Union or something else where you're on camera. Or mailed cash with your fingerprints on it. He's probably just a scammer that screwed you but you never know.



Title: Re: Question about selling bitcoins
Post by: comsec on November 25, 2012, 07:07 am
Oh, I just realized that from reading your tech support post. Lollol
Keep writing support until they fix it, internal issue and they're just sending you a form email thinking some sort of scam happened.

Prob a large transfer is held until manual release because of security, hot wallet only keeps so many coins, so whenever an admin is up tomorrow they should send the btc
Title: Re: Question about selling bitcoins
Post by: stinkybreeze on November 28, 2012, 08:13 am

Bumping to save.
Title: Re: Question about selling bitcoins
Post by: sweetleaf on December 01, 2012, 03:46 am
This is not a scam on the sender's part. I know because the exact same thing happened to me last month. I'm a vendor and I routinely transfer the coins from my vendor acct to my buyer acct. Last month, I transferred $400.00 worth of coin to my buyer acct. My seller account history shows the transaction occurred but my buyer account never received the coins! I waited a day, then 2 days then I finally wrote to SR Support. They hastily replied with the copy of my transaction history report from my seller account and said "all looks like it went through ok"....I retorted "but take a look at my buyer (recipient) account, no coins made it to the account!" After 2 day wait, Support wrote and said "you are absolutely correct, I will notify DPR to check into this and have your coins sent" About an hour later the coins showed up in my buyer account.

So now I hold my breath every time I transfer coins from one account to another. Last night it took over 20 minutes for them to register in my buyer account after another transfer. Usually it's instantaneous. I have a feeling this happens more than people think, or know. Some of the high volume vendors may not even notice an occasional no-show of coins from one account to another. So don't say that it's definitely a scam or a Photoshopped screen shot by the sender. It happened to me. The coins left one account and somehow got "held up" in the transfer or outright disappeared. I believe that the sender did actually send the coins, just like I sent mine, but luckily for me, SR Support rectified it and put the coins in my account albeit after nearly a week.

Title: Re: Question about selling bitcoins
Post by: HassleHoff on December 01, 2012, 04:45 am
the exact same thing happened to me last month. I'm a vendor and I routinely transfer the coins from my vendor acct to my buyer acct.

Maybe it would be safer to transfer the coins to an address outside SR, then back to SR,  rather than use the 'send bitcoins to another member' feature. This would take longer because of the confirmations needed , but at least you would be able to follow the coins on the blockchain.
Title: Re: Question about selling bitcoins
Post by: BTCmonkey on December 01, 2012, 11:26 pm
So Merry Christmas to him too, because he knew that $600 would have gone a long way to help pay some of my daughter's hospital bills.  Don't think that's a big deal?  Put yourself in my situation.  Your daughter having spent her first 6 years on this earth in the hospital having surgery after surgery and then this being her first Christmas where she gets to come home with us for 2 nights for Christmas and someone steals $660 from you that was going to go toward making it a special one, paying some of the hospital bills, and a tiny bit toward rent.

It is fucking abhorrent to do this to someone.

Wow, that's really sad man. I like to think some people in this world just don't understand how badly their poor, deceitful choices can hurt others.

But anyway, as far as selling btc to legitimate sources, I highly recommend bitcopia.com. I've done 5 very large transactions (they won't let you do more than $999) with them now, and it always goes smoothly. Fastcash4bitcoins has similar rates but now you have to register to use their service and they don't offer cash in the mail.

I hope your daughter has a nice Christmas  :)
Title: Re: Question about selling bitcoins
Post by: comsec on December 01, 2012, 11:57 pm
In the future:

Wait until you actually receive coins, and full confirmations, then send your payment. You are the trusted vendor with history, they are unknown potential scammers.

If you send MP early, you can phone MP and cancel the moneypak codes (this is why dealing with MP is dangerous, I can buy your coins then just cancel the codes after I get the coins).

You could try to go get a crowdsourcing loan https://btcjam.com/  to raise the money back at high interest or apply on the bitcointalk.org lending forum if you have wot rating on #bitcoin-otc channel.
Title: Re: Question about selling bitcoins
Post by: sweetleaf on December 02, 2012, 12:04 am
No, the coins never left his account.  If they had, don't you think he'd be upset enough about it to be bugging SR support to look into it?  And he would not have had to photoshop the screenshot.  I'm a vendor and a buyer - I know what the transaction/account history looks like and it NEVER shows the bitcoin address.  EVER.

If he gave a shit, and if this weren't a scam, he would be doing something to make it right by me since he has now had $660 of mine for a week and I have 0 of the coins I paid him for.

*** FURTHERMORE, he also did this exact same thing to at least 3 other people after he did it to me.  :\

If the coins never left his wallet then he apparently did scam you.   :'(  I thought the coins did leave his wallet. I piped in with my experience only because as I said in my post, I transferred coins from my vendor account to my buyer account and they never showed. I just wanted to alert you and others that this can happen, as it did to me.   ;)
Title: Re: Question about selling bitcoins
Post by: nomad bloodbath on December 03, 2012, 08:05 pm
Heys guys this is the end of this thread...take it to SR Support and Vendor Support and have them solve the mystery.
Sorry if this is harsh but nothing is evolve from all this misdirection.
Take it to the source of the issue.


X)
nomad bloodbath