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Discussion => Security => Topic started by: breastimus2 on November 15, 2012, 01:49 am

Title: Getting paranoid....
Post by: breastimus2 on November 15, 2012, 01:49 am
Guys, it's been like 4 days since a package was marked as in transit via priority mail...Let me get this straight, so if the mail man comes to my door to deliver and asks for a signature, what should I do? Is it normal for USPS to ask for signatures on priority mail?
Title: Re: Getting paranoid....
Post by: thekinggg on November 15, 2012, 02:32 am
Never sign. That is incriminating yourself.

If worse comes to worse, take the loss.
Title: Re: Getting paranoid....
Post by: jack2324 on November 15, 2012, 04:18 am
Don't go to the door.  When I see the post truck pulling up I go upstairs and pretend I'm taking a shower or something.  If something needed a signature then they'll just leave a little sticky note thing on your door and you can decided what to do from there.   There's no reason to go to the door when the USPS guy comes.
Title: Re: Getting paranoid....
Post by: MarcelKetman on November 15, 2012, 04:54 am
you should NOT give a signature!  no vendor that i know of would EVER send a package requiring signature (or not without at least stating so in advance ... and even then, i don't know of any who would do that).

DO NOT SIGN FOR IT.

I do it all the time! A lot of my customers request tracking. If you were in trouble it wouldn't be the postman at your door asking for a signature, it would be the cops. I wouldn't worry about it mate. Unless it's a massive package, customs are just going to bin it.
Title: Re: Getting paranoid....
Post by: kmfkewm on November 15, 2012, 09:22 am
you should NOT give a signature!  no vendor that i know of would EVER send a package requiring signature (or not without at least stating so in advance ... and even then, i don't know of any who would do that).

DO NOT SIGN FOR IT.

I do it all the time! A lot of my customers request tracking. If you were in trouble it wouldn't be the postman at your door asking for a signature, it would be the cops. I wouldn't worry about it mate. Unless it's a massive package, customs are just going to bin it.

You are a shitty vendor then. You also have obviously never done any research about how controlled deliveries go down. Here is a hint, it is a cop dressed as a postman.
Title: Re: Getting paranoid....
Post by: MarcelKetman on November 15, 2012, 11:12 am
you should NOT give a signature!  no vendor that i know of would EVER send a package requiring signature (or not without at least stating so in advance ... and even then, i don't know of any who would do that).

DO NOT SIGN FOR IT.

I do it all the time! A lot of my customers request tracking. If you were in trouble it wouldn't be the postman at your door asking for a signature, it would be the cops. I wouldn't worry about it mate. Unless it's a massive package, customs are just going to bin it.

You are a shitty vendor then. You also have obviously never done any research about how controlled deliveries go down. Here is a hint, it is a cop dressed as a postman.

If my customer requests it, they get tracking. It's their choice.
Title: Re: Getting paranoid....
Post by: KazushiS58 on November 15, 2012, 11:32 am
you should NOT give a signature!  no vendor that i know of would EVER send a package requiring signature (or not without at least stating so in advance ... and even then, i don't know of any who would do that).

DO NOT SIGN FOR IT.

I've actually noticed a growing trend with more vendors offering recorded or signed for delivery.

In fact I've got an issue at the moment with a vendor as the package didn't arrive but the vendor refuses to discuss refunds on packages that weren't sent as recorded/signed for. I'm not really a fan of that approach as I have to pay extra for delivery and be there when the postman arrives, which isn't possible with my working hours.
Title: Re: Getting paranoid....
Post by: breastimus2 on November 15, 2012, 12:17 pm
Ok, so I'm left still unsure of what I should do. From the replies I'm reading here, I get a mixed message. Some same signing for priority mail is not out of the ordinary, others say never to even consider signing for priority mail. I guess I'll ask this, is it withing normal scope of possibility that a mail man will ask for delivery on priority mail on a package in envelope that's small enough to be in mail box based on shipper opting for signature or something? I didn't ask him for tracking, but is it normal that vendors select tracking anyway for their own piece of mind? Is it too late to get a tracking number on this package as I have no way of knowing what's going on with it? Vendor is not messaging me back on SR and I'm starting to think perhaps I got scammed. If the package doesn't arrive today, I'm really going to start to freak.
Title: Re: Getting paranoid....
Post by: KazushiS58 on November 15, 2012, 01:05 pm
Vendor is not messaging me back on SR and I'm starting to think perhaps I got scammed. If the package doesn't arrive today, I'm really going to start to freak.

I don't know your location or how the post normally works where you are but 4 days really isn't a long time to wait. I've waited up to 2 weeks for stuff from further afield.

Also with all the issues over the last week its unlikely anyone will get a response to messages until its all sorted and running smoothly again.

If a package is sent with tracking/sig required then it doesn't matter if it will fit in the mail box the postman is legally obligated to get a signature or he can be held responsible if something goes missing. its also very unlikely that a vendor would send something tracked without you knowing about it.
Title: Re: Getting paranoid....
Post by: windly on November 15, 2012, 03:44 pm
dont get paranoid over this mate, sometimes post office is retarded and they delay your letter for some reason
i was once waiting 2weeks for a letter that usually came within 3days, it takes some time, but it will come eventually
Title: Re: Getting paranoid....
Post by: th3creeper on November 16, 2012, 07:52 am
Guys, it's been like 4 days since a package was marked as in transit via priority mail...Let me get this straight, so if the mail man comes to my door to deliver and asks for a signature, what should I do? Is it normal for USPS to ask for signatures on priority mail?
USPS Priority Mail on it's own is NOT a class of mail that involves signatures.  PERIOD.  If a seller tells you your order is shipped Priority there is absolutely no legitimate reason you would be asked by a mail carrier to sign.  NONE. If you have a mail carrier at your door holding a Priority pkg asking for signature..it's probably not a mailman at all but rather LE. 

Now...Priority Mail can be supplemented with various extra services that would render that piece of mail "signature required".  The most common extra service added to Priority mail is Delivery Confirmation.  Now your pkg is classified as Priority Mail w/Delivery Confirmation.  This still is not a "signature required by recipient" piece of mail. If you want to send Priority Mail that requires the addressee to sign.. the PO offers a few options that will cost a few dollars extra. Signature Confirmation/Certified Mail/Registered Mail/Certificate of Mailing for example. Obviously, it's a bad idea all around for these signature required extras to be used on drug packages.  Aside from providing documentation of taking possession of contraband they bring extra/added attention to your mail.  The idea is to blend in not stand out.  As a seller I would have to question any buyer requesting his pkg be sent signature required.   As a buyer, I'd have to wonder about any vendor who sends pkgs out requiring signature.

Title: Re: Getting paranoid....
Post by: fat people like sauce and on November 16, 2012, 08:21 am
no, not normal for priority shipping as the above poster said. is required on some forms of express shipping however.

you can either avoid the postman and reschedule the delivery signing the slip they give you, go pick it up or just sign for it.

perhaps your vendor used a different shipping method without informing you?

i wouldn't really worry about the signature, i've done it a couple times for SR purchases and for other random stuff. NBD. i suggest you get to know your postman though if you're gonna be having him deliver your drugs, me and my dude are homies.
Title: Re: Getting paranoid....
Post by: comsec on November 16, 2012, 08:37 am
Don't sign for it, and be there when postman shows up or they card for pickup and later you have to go show ID and be on camera somewhere picking it up. Don't open it immediately, wait and look around. Cops where I live put in wireless alarm in the package and wait for sucker to open it after he accepts package, then they burst in and raid the place. Before you open it make sure computer is encrypted and turned OFF/no power, clean house, and then open it.

4 day wait is totally normal it's the post office, shit always happens


Title: Re: Getting paranoid....
Post by: eetandern on November 16, 2012, 09:12 am
Signing for a package is not the same as signing a confession.  Before I became interested in my mail, I would have been happy to sign for any package a mailman asked me to sign for - even if I had absolutely no idea what it was or where it was from.  If police attempt a controled delievery, signing for the package might be suspicious, and might lead to your house being searched, but it is hardly proof of your intention to recieve drugs in the mail.

If your house is clean, and you can handle (not)talking to cops, I would say don't stress about signing, even if the vendor says you won't have to, the PO fucks stuff up all the time.  I once had a mailman refuse to give my package to my stepdad, because he thought I moved out, even though the vendor had checked the no signature box.
Title: Re: Getting paranoid....
Post by: Slicksuit on November 16, 2012, 09:59 am
you should NOT give a signature!  no vendor that i know of would EVER send a package requiring signature (or not without at least stating so in advance ... and even then, i don't know of any who would do that).

DO NOT SIGN FOR IT.

I do it all the time! A lot of my customers request tracking. If you were in trouble it wouldn't be the postman at your door asking for a signature, it would be the cops. I wouldn't worry about it mate. Unless it's a massive package, customs are just going to bin it.

You are a shitty vendor then. You also have obviously never done any research about how controlled deliveries go down. Here is a hint, it is a cop dressed as a postman.

Doesn't mean he is a shitty vendor if the buyers request it, and many buyers do so they don't feel like they can be ripped off.

But, controlled deliveries aren't quite like that - I had a friend get busted with 3 Oz of weed and 500 Valium tablets because a vendor from this site a couple of years back packaged the shittest packages known to man, you could literally smell the weed in the package - Obviously the post office phoned the police when they smelt it but they police let it be delivered, then busted in the house about 5 minutes later when the packages were opened.

Obviously it didn't stand up in court when the supposed guilty, just said: " I am an ex drug dealer, who has been to prison - people have a grudge against me and they must have sent it"

Then the police couldn't do jack shit about it, but let him go and watch him like a hawk.
Title: Re: Getting paranoid....
Post by: kmfkewm on November 16, 2012, 10:04 am
Sometimes they let it be delivered normally and then raid, sometimes they dress as postmen, sometimes they pretend to be a neighbor who had the package delivered to them by mistake, there are a few ways they have done controlled deliveries in the past.
Title: Re: Getting paranoid....
Post by: fat people like sauce and on November 16, 2012, 10:30 am
where are you hearing about these controlled deliveries?

happening to SR members? i've never heard of such a thing in the forums....
Title: Re: Getting paranoid....
Post by: MarcelKetman on November 16, 2012, 07:02 pm
you should NOT give a signature!  no vendor that i know of would EVER send a package requiring signature (or not without at least stating so in advance ... and even then, i don't know of any who would do that).

DO NOT SIGN FOR IT.

I do it all the time! A lot of my customers request tracking. If you were in trouble it wouldn't be the postman at your door asking for a signature, it would be the cops. I wouldn't worry about it mate. Unless it's a massive package, customs are just going to bin it.

You are a shitty vendor then. You also have obviously never done any research about how controlled deliveries go down. Here is a hint, it is a cop dressed as a postman.

Doesn't mean he is a shitty vendor if the buyers request it, and many buyers do so they don't feel like they can be ripped off.

But, controlled deliveries aren't quite like that - I had a friend get busted with 3 Oz of weed and 500 Valium tablets because a vendor from this site a couple of years back packaged the shittest packages known to man, you could literally smell the weed in the package - Obviously the post office phoned the police when they smelt it but they police let it be delivered, then busted in the house about 5 minutes later when the packages were opened.

Obviously it didn't stand up in court when the supposed guilty, just said: " I am an ex drug dealer, who has been to prison - people have a grudge against me and they must have sent it"

Then the police couldn't do jack shit about it, but let him go and watch him like a hawk.

yeah i'd imagine the leeway for ducking the charges is huge. even if you sign for it, it's addressed to another name (if the buyer has any sense) and you can argue all they long that you didn't solicit the package.
Title: Re: Getting paranoid....
Post by: MaebyFunke on November 16, 2012, 09:35 pm
you should NOT give a signature!  no vendor that i know of would EVER send a package requiring signature (or not without at least stating so in advance ... and even then, i don't know of any who would do that).

DO NOT SIGN FOR IT.

I do it all the time! A lot of my customers request tracking. If you were in trouble it wouldn't be the postman at your door asking for a signature, it would be the cops. I wouldn't worry about it mate. Unless it's a massive package, customs are just going to bin it.

You are a shitty vendor then. You also have obviously never done any research about how controlled deliveries go down. Here is a hint, it is a cop dressed as a postman.

In some cases, like international mail, you have a choice of either getting mail with a tracking number that needs a signature when delivered, or getting mail that you cant track and doesn't need a signature. I don't think there is an option for tracking international mail without needing to sign, which sucks because if you get the kind without a tracking number, its easy for a seller or buyer to scam. But for USA domestic mail, you shouldn't need a signature for priority, and express mail has the option of waiving the signature. My favorite vendor ships express to me a lot and always waives the signature.