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Support => Customer support => Topic started by: Mezmorize on August 24, 2013, 09:53 pm
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What happened to the vendor GreenOvenDoor and if we have a pending order should we expect to receive the order or a refund if we didn't FE? Anyone know anything??
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Ya you go to his page and now it messages him as if he was banned.
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Bump, vendor won't even appear in stealth mode for me... What's the dealio?
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First I've heard about it, maybe an admin can comment...
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Also:
Samesamebutdifferent
GreenOvenDoor was JustSmuggledIn:
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/cefbc73c6d
Just look at this post:
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=186144.0
So Admins: Might want to look into that account if GreenOvenDoor got banned for something bad.
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I gotta say that this whole Silk Road thing may not be worth the trouble. I just got my bitcoin back from vendor planetexpress because i didn't FE but apparently he got away with about 30K. Now greenovendoor has my bitcoin and I have a strong feeling that theres nothing in the mail on the way to my house. When I get my bitcoin back this time I may try a new site like Black Market Reloaded or Atlantis. May be the same crap over there, but this here is insane!! I basically just keep my coins in escrow and never get any product!!! Been trying to get some good herb for going on 3 weeks now!!!!!
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Sounds to me like you're choosing crappy vendors friend. I've never had this much trouble getting cannabis products. I suggest you Read all the feedback and all the forum reviews before you place an order if you haven't already been doing this. There are too many weed vendors with amazing quality product and perfect feedback ratings and forum reviews to be buying from vendors with mixed feedback. I hope everything works out.
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I gotta say that this whole Silk Road thing may not be worth the trouble. I just got my bitcoin back from vendor planetexpress because i didn't FE but apparently he got away with about 30K. Now greenovendoor has my bitcoin and I have a strong feeling that theres nothing in the mail on the way to my house. When I get my bitcoin back this time I may try a new site like Black Market Reloaded or Atlantis. May be the same crap over there, but this here is insane!! I basically just keep my coins in escrow and never get any product!!! Been trying to get some good herb for going on 3 weeks now!!!!!
For good bud from a good vendor whos reliable try TheBudFather
seems like the only true and tried consistent vendor/grower
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I gotta say that this whole Silk Road thing may not be worth the trouble. I just got my bitcoin back from vendor planetexpress because i didn't FE but apparently he got away with about 30K. Now greenovendoor has my bitcoin and I have a strong feeling that theres nothing in the mail on the way to my house. When I get my bitcoin back this time I may try a new site like Black Market Reloaded or Atlantis. May be the same crap over there, but this here is insane!! I basically just keep my coins in escrow and never get any product!!! Been trying to get some good herb for going on 3 weeks now!!!!!
Choose your vendors more carefully then, I can't comment on Green Oven Door because I don't know what happened to them yet but PlanetExpress had scam written all over them for nearly a week before they got banned. Anyone trying to buy from them clearly doesn't know the warning signs and/or doesn't read the forums before placing an order, something you should do each and every time no matter how many successful transactions you have had with a vendor in the past, things move fast around here so you need to keep up if you want to avoid the risk of being scammed.
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When I purchased from planetexpress he had 5.0 feedback and didn't have all the FE feedback yet. I didn't FE so I did get my coins back. I think FE should be done away with all together. I also think that if someone gets banned that all coins in escrow should be returned to the buyer so they can order from someone else and not constantly have their funds tied up in escrow. When a vendor like GreenOvenDoor suddenly disappears then it just goes to show it does not matter how much research you do because even the trusted vendors will eventually screw you over.
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When I purchased from planetexpress he had 5.0 feedback and didn't have all the FE feedback yet. I didn't FE so I did get my coins back. I think FE should be done away with all together. I also think that if someone gets banned that all coins in escrow should be returned to the buyer so they can order from someone else and not constantly have their funds tied up in escrow. When a vendor like GreenOvenDoor suddenly disappears then it just goes to show it does not matter how much research you do because even the trusted vendors will eventually screw you over.
Did they also have their too good to be true listings up? combine that with the sudden huge expansion in their inventory and use of googled images of their supposed products it sounds like you may have overlooked some pretty big red flags, the vendors rating is only one piece of the puzzle, you need to be clued into other tell-tail signs, that and the multiple threads warning about the danger signs. I'm not trying to be a dick here, I am just trying to make you aware of the other things you need to be on the look out for.
Anyway I have a strong suspicion the FE rule is going to be looked at in the not too distant future, it will most probably be brought to the community to discuss in the first instance. There always will be some people who have to FE if you want to order though, new buyers or buyers with shitty stats may well be asked to FE if they want to buy from a vendor, under those circumstances I think vendors are well within their rights to ask for FE, don't like it then don't order, simple.
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I gotta say that this whole Silk Road thing may not be worth the trouble. I just got my bitcoin back from vendor planetexpress because i didn't FE but apparently he got away with about 30K. Now greenovendoor has my bitcoin and I have a strong feeling that theres nothing in the mail on the way to my house. When I get my bitcoin back this time I may try a new site like Black Market Reloaded or Atlantis. May be the same crap over there, but this here is insane!! I basically just keep my coins in escrow and never get any product!!! Been trying to get some good herb for going on 3 weeks now!!!!!
It is getting bad and the admins need to take a more proactive approach at identifying and stopping scammers. When a vendor can scam $30K in a couple of weeks, the $500 vendor bond is useless at stopping them. SR is simply too big and has too many clueless newbs, so it's a wonderland for scammers. SR users are being ripped off for tens of thousands, perhaps hundreds of thousands of dollars every month. Legit vendors should be pissed about that too, because that's money that could have gone to them.
They can't rely on users reporting scamming vendors and then waiting another week for the evidence to accumulate. They say they can't just ban vendors without solid evidence, but there is a middle ground. They can sandbox sketchy vendors. Block them from withdrawing BTC. Also, it's pretty easy to write a few algorithms to detect potential scammers early. Here are some suggestions:
1. If the average time between marking an order in transit and finalizing drops below 24 hours (or a similar time frame) within any 24 hour period, flag the account for manual review by the admins, and block BTC withdrawals.
2. If the average time between marking an order in transit and buyers finalizing drops more than half a standard deviation from the vendor's overall average, flag the account and block BTC withdrawals.
FE is how all these scammers operate and it's easy to detect. DPR wrote a fairly sophisticated formula for calculating commission, using Euler's constant, and he has algorithms to detect mass BTC withdrawals. I have a hard time believing he can't write a few simple formulas to detect mass FEs and sandbox the accounts. Again, we're not talking about banning them outright, but they can be sandboxed until more evidence is gathered.
There is no excuse for this. As I've said before, the new feedback system is pointless when they do nothing about scammers for weeks anyway. Aggressive identification and sandboxing of sketchy / scamming vendors should be their top priority.
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I know that when people have FE silk road can't return their bitcoin, but does SR return the commission they took from each order to the buyer or do they keep it? Hmmmmm
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It is getting bad and the admins need to take a more proactive approach at identifying and stopping scammers. When a vendor can scam $30K in a couple of weeks, the $500 vendor bond is useless at stopping them. SR is simply too big and has too many clueless newbs, so it's a wonderland for scammers. SR users are being ripped off for tens of thousands, perhaps hundreds of thousands of dollars every month. Legit vendors should be pissed about that too, because that's money that could have gone to them.
They can't rely on users reporting scamming vendors and then waiting another week for the evidence to accumulate. They say they can't just ban vendors without solid evidence, but there is a middle ground. They can sandbox sketchy vendors. Block them from withdrawing BTC. Also, it's pretty easy to write a few algorithms to detect potential scammers early. Here are some suggestions:
1. If the average time between marking an order in transit and finalizing drops below 24 hours (or a similar time frame) within any 24 hour period, flag the account for manual review by the admins, and block BTC withdrawals.
2. If the average time between marking an order in transit and buyers finalizing drops more than half a standard deviation from the vendor's overall average, flag the account and block BTC withdrawals.
FE is how all these scammers operate and it's easy to detect. DPR wrote a fairly sophisticated formula for calculating commission, using Euler's constant, and he has algorithms to detect mass BTC withdrawals. I have a hard time believing he can't write a few simple formulas to detect mass FEs and sandbox the accounts. Again, we're not talking about banning them outright, but they can be sandboxed until more evidence is gathered.
There is no excuse for this. As I've said before, the new feedback system is pointless when they do nothing about scammers for weeks anyway. Aggressive identification and sandboxing of sketchy / scamming vendors should be their top priority.
Good ideas, as always, from you. I was thinking as I read this, why not just make it so new vendors can't withdrawal at all for a set amount of time, say like 30 days? Yes, I get some might not like this as it ties up their funds to be able to re-up supply, but if this was just the way it was, they'd just have to plan for it. I know this wouldn't do much to stop the vendors who take the time to setup a legit looking operation before scamming, but at least it might stop the new vendors who are here just to pull a quick FE scam.
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From the SR Support when I was asking about PE And GOD:
"I have cancelled the PlanetExpress orders for you. GreenOvenDoor was not demoted for scamming"
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Will they still be able to receive and reply to messages on SR?
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I heard a rumor that TGOD was banned for trying to sell his listing through the postage options system in order to avoid paying commission. Is there any validity to this?
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I heard a rumor that TGOD was banned for trying to sell his listing through the postage options system in order to avoid paying commission. Is there any validity to this?
Can't speak to this, I don't know how the commission works with shipping options, but I'll say if this was the case they certainly wouldnt be the only vendor trying to do this. I've ran across several listings for items that are priced for a few dollars and then the shipping is upwards of $50.
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I heard a rumor that TGOD was banned for trying to sell his listing through the postage options system in order to avoid paying commission. Is there any validity to this?
Can't speak to this, I don't know how the commission works with shopping options, but I'll say if this was the case they certainly wouldnt be the only vendor trying to do this. I've ran across several listings for items that are priced for a few dollars and then the shipping is upwards of $50.
If that is true then they are just asking for the ban hammer, that would be one of the easiest things for the admins to spot should the vendor come under closer scrutiny.
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I heard a rumor that TGOD was banned for trying to sell his listing through the postage options system in order to avoid paying commission. Is there any validity to this?
Can't speak to this, I don't know how the commission works with shopping options, but I'll say if this was the case they certainly wouldnt be the only vendor trying to do this. I've ran across several listings for items that are priced for a few dollars and then the shipping is upwards of $50.
If that is true then they are just asking for the ban hammer, that would be one of the easiest things for the admins to spot should the vendor come under closer scrutiny.
SSBD could you please try to get official word on what happened to TGOD? I'm really curious. He was one of my favorite vendors :(
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I have done business with GOD and never had a problem either. I would be interested to know what happened to them.
I agree that the SR staff needs to do some better investigating when they see "scam" tendencies. I have learned my lesson the hard way on here and it wasn't cheap. But in both cases from what everyone else says the staff was advised that they were potentially scamming and if the accounts were flagged or something while it was being investigated I would not have lost that money either.
If you want a weed vendor I can suggest a couple that I use:
HumboltsFinest
lucymgee
XXotica
I hate to see people get scammed even if they don't go through hours of investigating and then they have to know the signs to look for.
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I heard a rumor that TGOD was banned for trying to sell his listing through the postage options system in order to avoid paying commission. Is there any validity to this?
Can't speak to this, I don't know how the commission works with shopping options, but I'll say if this was the case they certainly wouldnt be the only vendor trying to do this. I've ran across several listings for items that are priced for a few dollars and then the shipping is upwards of $50.
If that is true then they are just asking for the ban hammer, that would be one of the easiest things for the admins to spot should the vendor come under closer scrutiny.
SSBD could you please try to get official word on what happened to TGOD? I'm really curious. He was one of my favorite vendors :(
I'll see what I can find out HEATFan.
Update:
I can confirm that the vendor GreenOvenDoor was demoted for misusing the postage options.
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So what exactly does this mean for TGOD, and i guess me? i just placed an order with him the day before he was demoted. of course i FE cuz i always have with him. and usually it gets here in two to 3 days. and its been about 5 days. so would he perhaps know before hand that he was going to be demoted? and then not ship out any of his early finalizations?
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I have an order with him and i didn't FE. If the item does show up and I finalize will TGOD still receive it?
If banned does TGOD still have the ability to see the messages that have the address and other info in it?
I would say that if you did FE you aren't receiving your product and definitely not your bitcoin.
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I have an order with him and i didn't FE. If the item does show up and I finalize will TGOD still receive it?
If banned does TGOD still have the ability to see the messages that have the address and other info in it?
I would say that if you did FE you aren't receiving your product and definitely not your bitcoin.
No, if he's banned then he can't access his account anymore, which has your information on it. At that point, it's just in SR's archives if the SR Staff haven't deleted the shipping labels and private messages, yet.