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Discussion => Silk Road discussion => Topic started by: HarmReduction on August 15, 2013, 10:04 am
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By Patrick Howell O'Neill on August 14, 2013 Email
Silk Road, the Dark Web drug marketplace made famous in 2011, is a global success. It's doing tens of millions dollars in business every year. New customers walk in every day.
Silk Road is so successful at this point that teenagers are flooding in to take advantage of the easy-to-use black market. Some Silk Road users are indistinguishable from kids in a candy store, so excited by their new mind-altering purchases that they hurry to post pictures and descriptions to Tumblr.
For young people in 2013, oversharing is a given. But uploading evidence that you bought drugs from an anonymous black market is, well, an odd choice.
Silk Road’s ultimate goal is to create a world where you don’t have to hide the fact that you enjoy recreational drug use. But let’s face the facts: We don’t live in that world right now. Novel-length guides to anonymity and security have been written by Silk Roaders in an effort to stop law enforcement from ever identifying vendors or buyers.
Who needs all that? Let’s tweet about our new 50 grams of ecstasy!
Meet Alec, a 17-year-old from Michigan who goes by “2cool4u.” He ordered DMT, a powerful psychedelic drug, from Silk Road in May and was so pleased with his purchase that he blogged about it. It’s hard to blame Alec if he made the post when he was high as a kite. But it’s been four months now, and the post remains up as a monument to his illegal activity. He’s left a selfie in the top left just to make the job that much easier for anyone who wants to identify him.
The rest if the article and pictures are on (clear web ) http://www.dailydot.com/crime/tumblr-teens-silk-road-drug-deals/
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I've heard of low-lying fruit but holy shit, these dumbass kids are certainly making LE's job tremendously easy. The more intelligent and careful users here are worried about keeping up with constant browser updates, safe drops, PGP usage, demanding high stealth of the vendors... while these other ones are taking "selfies" with their party favors, proclaiming where it came from on the clearnet. The lack of thought is mindblowing.
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Thanks for the post! I hope these kids don't have their lives ruined because of their tendency to overshare...
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We need to stop kids from using silkroad some how. Any ideas?
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the elephant sitting in the living room - while the Forbes article might have been some good publicity (after all, it's readership isn't 14-18 yr olds), it probably generated some additional motivation on LE's part to break SR's security
this kind of publicity will generate tons more motivation as well as congressional pressure under the guise of "IT'S FOR THE CHILDREN"
just saying
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Yea, I must admit kids posting on Tumblr is extremely bad. It will spread like wild fire......
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We need to stop kids from using silkroad some how. Any ideas?
Legalize all drugs
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Obviously you can't stop them, nor should we try. What young people choose to do with their bodies is a fundamental right of theirs, as much as ours. If there was some massive cultural change, and we didn't have to worry about criminalisation, then I may support restricting activities dependent on differing levels of maturity, but arbitrary age restrictions are simplistic, idiotic even.
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We should start giving out Hoover Awards.
Darwin Awards are given to people who find stupid and innovative ways to kill themselves. Hoover Awards (named after the first director of the FBI) are given to people who find stupid and innovative ways of getting themselves arrested.
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Its not nearly about what they do with their bodies. That i coulnt give three fucks about. Its how the dumb little cunts brag and boast about every fucking thing under the sun, that they are NOT to be speaking about, let alone publicly..on twitter no less
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Astor has the right idea..even though i hate him atm ;)
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We need to stop kids from using silkroad some how. Any ideas?
Require SSN verification along with a photo ID and a verified bank account. Anyone under the age of 18 gets thrown to the Feds;D That'll stop those One Direction fans.
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We need to stop kids from using silkroad some how. Any ideas?
Ya can't. Impossible. Period.
Unless it's an "I'm over the age of 18": Enter. "I'm not": Exit.
Yeah, like that's an awesomely exact way to determine age...
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I am not for anyone using drugs before their brain has developed fully (even though the brain is so ever changing you can argue it's never done developing). I would not sell to anyone below 20 if I could. Weed is a different story as it is more benign, but the more psycho active substances are a big deal and should not be used by those not mature enough to make that decision. With that said kids are stupid and are going to do what they want no matter what.
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i hope "2cool4u" doesnt drop the soap in the shower
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Well damn. hopefully they used tor on tumblr. they can still be tracked by their friends that don't though.
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Stupid fucking kids..
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I don't see the hoopla about this, some people are stupid, kids do stupid things, its just natural. The cat's coming out the bag anyway, DPR is doing interviews in Forbes, there is no hiding in the shadows anymore. You can't hide anything from today's youth anyway, all you can do imo is educate and let them make their own choices. Someone educate me if I'm being ignorant about this.
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It was inevitable.
Two things can come of it (probably more but I'm busy right now):
Thing #1: Some politician will use it as a rallying cry to try to get dark web sites shut down or make it more difficult to obtain BTC.
Thing #2: Some LEA will go around arresting a bunch of kids and publicize it to create FUD in hopes of deterring kids from buying drugs off the dark webs.
Yeah.
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2dumb4daSR
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. . . Novel-length guides to anonymity and security have been written by Silk Roaders in an effort to stop law enforcement from ever identifying vendors or buyers. . . .
I guess the novel-length guide "Hit Yourself with a Cluebat before Hitting The Road" should've gone out first.. . . Meet Alec, a 17-year-old from Michigan who goes by “2cool4u.” . . .
I bet his first cellmate disagrees.
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We should start giving out Hoover Awards.
Darwin Awards are given to people who find stupid and innovative ways to kill themselves. Hoover Awards (named after the first director of the FBI) are given to people who find stupid and innovative ways of getting themselves arrested.
I like the idea, I really do.
I just have one question.
How do you award someone who is dead?
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We should start giving out Hoover Awards.
Darwin Awards are given to people who find stupid and innovative ways to kill themselves. Hoover Awards (named after the first director of the FBI) are given to people who find stupid and innovative ways of getting themselves arrested.
haha good one.
It is bad that these youths are doing this. I am willing to bet a few BTC that none of these youngsters has been to the forums at all...
I am probably right in assuming non-SRF users get busted more than forum members do.
Most of these kids will get off fairly easy anyway. They all are young, probably don't have extensive police records or violent pasts, and most likely were not on SR for too long or moving too much product before they Hoover'd themselves.
Some of these kids may end up in jail for short-term sentences, and i do empathize with them but they brought it on their own.
If the feds spend all their time locating, building a case and prosecuting the newbies who are basically volunteering to go down then that means the more secure SR members who aren't flashing pics all over Social media will be safer.
When i fish, i want the fish that comes to me...
LE is fishing, and these newbie kids are swimming right into the net.
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it may not be overly smart, but if you buy bitcoins in canada or usa, you need to upload a copy of your ID, for money laundering laws, maybe silk road should adapt the same kind of thing. something that you need to prove your legal age, drugs should not be in hands of children,
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it may not be overly smart, but if you buy bitcoins in canada or usa, you need to upload a copy of your ID, for money laundering laws, maybe silk road should adapt the same kind of thing. something that you need to prove your legal age, drugs should not be in hands of children,
ummm.....
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not exactly the samekind of thing, as it would erase anonymitiy, but something that atleast confirms your of age, i guess i kind of worded that wrong,
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it may not be overly smart, but if you buy bitcoins in canada or usa, you need to upload a copy of your ID, for money laundering laws, maybe silk road should adapt the same kind of thing. something that you need to prove your legal age, drugs should not be in hands of children,
Well, DMT is hardly a drug... And I may get some flak for this, but if you're capable enough to download the TOR browser, get on the SR, create an account, buy bitcoin and place an order... seems like you're reasonably capable enough to experiment with your own consciousness.
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Agreed ^ .
If they're smart enough how to get the tor browser going why can't they just use the forums and all of it's advice.
I hope they're at least using PGP . if not then they're asking to get picked up in secret black vans.
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Most of these kids will get off fairly easy anyway. They all are young, probably don't have extensive police records or violent pasts, and most likely were not on SR for too long or moving too much product before they Hoover'd themselves.
And with that we invented a verb. Someone add it to Urban Dictionary, quick!
Usage: "Did you see the pic of Tony standing in front of the police station, showing off his weed? LOL that guy totally Hoovered himself."
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on the Silk Road facebook page (which is an incredibly stupid idea in my opinion) you see multiple posts from people talking about what kinds of drugs they are planning on purchasing, how much they use the site, etc. These people are fucking retarded. all of the 2.2k people who "liked" the page deserve one of those hoover awards
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And the Golden Hoover Award goes to.......
Rossta! http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=165925
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Bahahahaha!!
;D
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They talk about it on twitter they talk about it on facebook and tumblr what's the difference? I really don't care anymore, obviously it would be nice if these kids would be smart and more discrete about their activities but as long as this place stays standing strong then that's really all that matters.
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Hardly surprising, aren't teenagers these days so complacent they share provocative pictures with one another.
I only care if such disregard for security/privacy of other people on the Road is compromised due to the actions of some damned teenager.
We ought to teach these young'uns some fucking respect. :P
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We need to stop kids from using silkroad some how. Any ideas?
Ya can't. Impossible. Period.
Unless it's an "I'm over the age of 18": Enter. "I'm not": Exit.
Yeah, like that's an awesomely exact way to determine age...
Maybe an IQ test or some sort of chat screening where they have to at least SOUND like they could be over 18.
I can't even believe this. Where are the parents? Sometimes I feel like Mass sterilization should be legalized..hell, in some cases. mandatory. Sure, we may lose one or two great minds in the process, but think of the potential flood of idiots we could stop. It would be glorious....
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And the Golden Hoover Award goes to.......
Rossta! http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=165925
Wow, that is definitely Hoover of the Year material. I can't believe I missed it when it happened.
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And the Golden Hoover Award goes to.......
Rossta! http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=165925
Out-fucking-standing.
Astor, now you're obligated to make a "Hoover Award" thread in off topic. This will be the inaugural member.
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Makes me sick:(
People like this are going to get this beautiful oppurtunity ruined for us all!
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We need to stop kids from using silkroad some how. Any ideas?
My favorite solution - "kill'em all"
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We need to stop kids from using silkroad some how. Any ideas?
Ask for ID. Or just a checkbox that asks ''are you older than 18 years of age?''
Pretty simple really ;)
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We need to stop kids from using silkroad some how. Any ideas?
It's on the parents. SR relies expressly on the mail so it wouldn't be that hard -- kids live with their parents, remember? I would organize a community meeting through the school and get all parents to agree to request that all packages to their address be held at the post office for pickup. I assume something like that can be done without much of a fuss.
It's not a perfect solution but would be pretty effective I think. You can't open a PO box unless you're an adult, so it eliminates that avenue. Can't stop them from sending it to other addresses of course but I think only the really bold ones would try that, so I think you could prevent the vast majority of it.
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We need to stop kids from using silkroad some how. Any ideas?
Ya can't. Impossible. Period.
Unless it's an "I'm over the age of 18": Enter. "I'm not": Exit.
Yeah, like that's an awesomely exact way to determine age...
Maybe an IQ test or some sort of chat screening where they have to at least SOUND like they could be over 18.
I can't even believe this. Where are the parents? Sometimes I feel like Mass sterilization should be legalized..hell, in some cases. mandatory. Sure, we may lose one or two great minds in the process, but think of the potential flood of idiots we could stop. It would be glorious....
For sure. I think we need IQ tests for reproduction, anyway. I talk about this with a few of my really close friends and we feel that the wrong people are flooding the world with illegitimate kids and the people that *should* be repopulating the world are busy enjoying life kid-less later and later in life. I have no plans to EVER have kids because I feel like I would resent them for changing my life so drastically. I like partying and being able to go some place on a whim when I feel like it. The white trash I always see walking around with 4, 5, 6+ kids is going to be scary in about 10-15 years.
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IQ test...? That is a ridiculous way to measure intelligence.
I know 14 year olds who are more mature and wiser than 22 year olds, if you are old enough to download TOR and find out about SR then you are old enough to use it. Age is nothing more than a useless number, I don't understand the concept one bit. I don't think many kids who are 14-17 do drugs (other than weed). From first hand experince I know that in middle class high schools the only drug going around is weed and kids only do it to be cool. A large majority of kids are brainwashed sheep by society walking around with there pants hanging on to their ankels, we don't have to worry about them going on TOR and having the balls to go with an innovative way to get drugs unless everyone is already doing it.
I don't like how SR is becoming a household name though, it gives the goverment more incentive to take it down, it seems a sell out move for more money.
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Obviously you can't stop them, nor should we try. What young people choose to do with their bodies is a fundamental right of theirs, as much as ours. If there was some massive cultural change, and we didn't have to worry about criminalisation, then I may support restricting activities dependent on differing levels of maturity, but arbitrary age restrictions are simplistic, idiotic even.
AGREE. Although I can only think that until governments around the world understand that drugs are going to be used regardless of legal or illegal young children are always going to have easier access to drugs.
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Although I disagree with children doing drugs on principles. I am no hypocrite those kids that are smart enough to make it on here need to be somehow reached out to and taught how to be smart about all this. The technology at our finger tips grants all of us a lot of power, and I feel that without a proper understanding and respect of this technology a lot of damage can be done. By technology I mean all the the forces that have come together to make the road a special place: drugs, money, encryption, the postal system of first world nations, etc. Regardless of our personal opinions about children, they are our future lets help them not to be retards. It would seem that the ones who make it here and are able to purchase bitcoins might be a tad brighter than there peers? One could definitely have their bright future screwed up by not understanding all the implications of stepping into this game. The enemy surely is playing hard and has no trouble destroying the young and using them to justify its goals. Guys think of the children. We as responsible adults need to protect the kids from the tyranny of the government, lets try and keep the little bastards out of jail.
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these kids are retarded, oh the days of youth, when I committed crimes without thought to my safety and flaunted my disrespect for the law
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wtf are you guys talking about with this "if they're smart enough to get on here..."
do you really think a 12 year old could not figure out how to google 'silk road', google 'tor' & download the browser bundle, create an account on silk road, and figure out how to get some bitcoins over to it?
seriously? i was running bulletin board systems when i was 12 years old!!! you have got to be fucking kidding me. im sorry if getting on here was difficult for YOU, but it's really not that hard, especially if you have a couple older friends showing you exactly what to do, without you having to even think about it. the 21 year old shows his 18 year old brother, who shows his 17 year old friend, who shows their 16 year old friend, who shows their 14 year old friend... it's really not rocket science regardless but even if it was, word gets around REAL quick on how to do something.
i mean 95% of you couldn't tell me the difference between a stack and a heap, even though both are used countless times in countless ways to get you onto SR, but of course you don't have to know what they are! you just need someone to show you how to get from point A to point B. you could probably train a monkey to get drugs off silk road!
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I wish that silkroad would just close it's registration for a while. These little cunts are going to ruin it for all of us.
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IQ test...? That is a ridiculous way to measure intelligence.
I know 14 year olds who are more mature and wiser than 22 year olds, if you are old enough to download TOR and find out about SR then you are old enough to use it. Age is nothing more than a useless number, I don't understand the concept one bit. I don't think many kids who are 14-17 do drugs (other than weed). From first hand experince I know that in middle class high schools the only drug going around is weed and kids only do it to be cool. A large majority of kids are brainwashed sheep by society walking around with there pants hanging on to their ankels, we don't have to worry about them going on TOR and having the balls to go with an innovative way to get drugs unless everyone is already doing it.
I don't like how SR is becoming a household name though, it gives the goverment more incentive to take it down, it seems a sell out move for more money.
I did LSD, Mushrooms, cocaine, old school E, pcp, and meth when I was 16. I first smoked cannabis when I was 20.
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i had sex when i was 14. i guess that means more people should do what i did. oh, i also got an std. lolz
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it may not be overly smart, but if you buy bitcoins in canada or usa, you need to upload a copy of your ID, for money laundering laws, maybe silk road should adapt the same kind of thing. something that you need to prove your legal age, drugs should not be in hands of children,
LOL, please tell me your joking?
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Im glad for these idiots because they give LE someone to bust. The cops feel like theyve done something and leave the rest of us alone. Makes it so LE doesnt have to try hard. It's like a fullback in American football. They charge ahead banging into people so the tailback comes through unscathed.
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Im glad for these idiots because they give LE someone to bust. The cops feel like theyve done something and leave the rest of us alone. Makes it so LE doesnt have to try hard. It's like a fullback in American football. They charge ahead banging into people so the tailback comes through unscathed.
yes. I'm all for other people volunteering to be the low hanging fruit. I don't wish anyone ill fortune, but, hey, darwin was no dummy.
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Im glad for these idiots because they give LE someone to bust. The cops feel like theyve done something and leave the rest of us alone. Makes it so LE doesnt have to try hard. It's like a fullback in American football. They charge ahead banging into people so the tailback comes through unscathed.
Um... GOOD POINT! Woo hoo!
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People getting caught is not good for anyone. If you understand how intelligence gathering works, you would know this.
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Not sure how many people read the whole article, but there aren't a lot of comments on the whole 'photographing the stealth" thing. That, to me, should piss a lot of vendors off. Hell, I'd maybe even warnings about it on my vendor profile for the less than clever buyers.
'hey guys, got my gram of cocaine in today, here's a photo of it, they disguised it as junk mail, see?'
Also, full disclosure, I actually learned about SR (and how to get to it, order off of it, etc) on tumblr. I'm super active on the site. But I'm not a tween.
Right now, the silkroad tag is filled with DPR groupies and links to the forbes article. Then there are things like 'I kinda want to try cocaine' and 'can anyone tell me how to put money in my SR wallet?'
Actually, back when I was reading the posts, there were so many confused people that I figured the process must be super difficult. But it's not at all. So when I see someone in the middle of it and confused, I figure they're just really slow on the uptake.
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We need to stop kids from using silkroad some how. Any ideas?
It's on the parents. SR relies expressly on the mail so it wouldn't be that hard -- kids live with their parents, remember? I would organize a community meeting through the school and get all parents to agree to request that all packages to their address be held at the post office for pickup. I assume something like that can be done without much of a fuss.
It's not a perfect solution but would be pretty effective I think. You can't open a PO box unless you're an adult, so it eliminates that avenue. Can't stop them from sending it to other addresses of course but I think only the really bold ones would try that, so I think you could prevent the vast majority of it.
I think this is a terrible idea personally. Kids and teenagers will do whatever they want regardless. All this does is make it likely they will get caught either by police, the post office or their parents. This idea is no different to the standard idea of trying to control what someone does by making it illegal, which clearly doesn't work. I don't like the idea of teens using these types of drugs as I think it is harmful to their brain and development, but even worse than that is what has happened to these two teens whose lives are possibly now ruined because of a small amount of drugs.
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If teenagers want drugs, they will find them. SR only simplifies the process and actually makes it safer. I had to literally buy drugs on the streets in some very dangerous neighborhoods, where I wasn't always sure about the quality. It exposed me to certain criminal elements which I probably never would have had otherwise. I was also limited to the type of drugs which I could buy, which were much more addictive than what I would have settled for.
I certainly do not advocate teenagers using drugs, but if they are looking to experiment a little, it is much better for them to come looking here than on the streets.
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If teenagers want drugs, they will find them. SR only simplifies the process and actually makes it safer. I had to literally buy drugs on the streets in some very dangerous neighborhoods, where I wasn't always sure about the quality. It exposed me to certain criminal elements which I probably never would have had otherwise. I was also limited to the type of drugs which I could buy, which were much more addictive than what I would have settled for.
I certainly do not advocate teenagers using drugs, but if they are looking to experiment a little, it is much better for them to come looking here than on the streets.
This is true. Where Im from the drugs in the street are very limited, hash is the most sold being weed the second. Cocaine, meth, downers etc are rare as hell, which makes people to meet some dangerous sellers... SR makes this whole thing safer.
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2cool4u.
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You can't hide anything from today's youth anyway, all you can do imo is educate and let them make their own choices. Someone educate me if I'm being ignorant about this.
Completely agree. How about requiring new users to complete a (brief but smart) "Safe Silk Road Use" quiz before granting access? It won't stop all the idiots, but it might make a few naive noobs stop and think.
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If teenagers want drugs, they will find them. SR only simplifies the process and actually makes it safer. I had to literally buy drugs on the streets in some very dangerous neighborhoods, where I wasn't always sure about the quality. It exposed me to certain criminal elements which I probably never would have had otherwise. I was also limited to the type of drugs which I could buy, which were much more addictive than what I would have settled for.
I certainly do not advocate teenagers using drugs, but if they are looking to experiment a little, it is much better for them to come looking here than on the streets.
How is it better when no one can be held accountable? In real life, at least most people would not deal drugs to a kid because if they got hurt or died, your ass is going to jail for a LOOOOOOOOONG TIME. Here, that disincentive does not exist really, because you have no idea who you are selling to, am I wrong? You're essentially saying GO ON SELL CRACK TO KIDS, IT'S OK BECAUSE IT'S SR! That's better than the streets! WTF?
I hold the opposite view. I'm lucky all I had access to was weed and mushrooms. That kept me from ruining my life as a teenager. Actually, I could have done without the weed but I think the mushrooms saved my life. They made me realize a lot of truths about myself and people in general. But if I had access to every drug under the sun, without my peers even having to know what I was using, when I was using it, etc., I would probably be dead right now. I wasn't a fuck up, I was just really interested in exploring whatever was out there after mushrooms, but I couldn't get them.
Plus, "the streets" you're picture looks a lot different than 90% of America which is suburban or rural and the choices of drugs for teens to get their hands on can probably be counted on one hand, maybe two. It ain't thug life, and it ain't the Wal-mart of drugs that SR is.
I think encouraging parents to be better parents is exactly the right idea, and is the libertarian idea nonetheless. Kids aren't adults and they shouldn't be treated like adults. They need to be given freedom and guided when they steer the wrong way. When you actually become a parent, you will understand this. There is a fine line between over-parenting and neglect. If a kid in your community died because of SR, holding a community meeting and deciding to keep packages at the PO for parents to pick up is not over-parenting, it's simply caring about your kids' safety. When your kid can give you an essay on all the health issues surrounding the majority of the drugs bought on SR, then go ahead and stop monitoring the mail. Just like when you prove you can drive a car, that's when you get a driver's license.
So yes, it needs to be coupled WITH education of course. And that makes legalization is the best route. We're talking about an imperfect system here, let's not pretend our viewpoints are perfect, too.
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And the Golden Hoover Award goes to.......
Rossta! http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=165925
I'll go you one better, make way for BulletForMyValentine....
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=202595.0
This fruit not only hangs low but fell off the tree and started to go moldy.
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If teenagers want drugs, they will find them. SR only simplifies the process and actually makes it safer. I had to literally buy drugs on the streets in some very dangerous neighborhoods, where I wasn't always sure about the quality. It exposed me to certain criminal elements which I probably never would have had otherwise. I was also limited to the type of drugs which I could buy, which were much more addictive than what I would have settled for.
I certainly do not advocate teenagers using drugs, but if they are looking to experiment a little, it is much better for them to come looking here than on the streets.
How is it better when no one can be held accountable? In real life, at least most people would not deal drugs to a kid because if they got hurt or died, your ass is going to jail for a LOOOOOOOOONG TIME. Here, that disincentive does not exist really, because you have no idea who you are selling to, am I wrong? You're essentially saying GO ON SELL CRACK TO KIDS, IT'S OK BECAUSE IT'S SR! That's better than the streets! WTF?
I hold the opposite view. I'm lucky all I had access to was weed and mushrooms. That kept me from ruining my life as a teenager. Actually, I could have done without the weed but I think the mushrooms saved my life. They made me realize a lot of truths about myself and people in general. But if I had access to every drug under the sun, without my peers even having to know what I was using, when I was using it, etc., I would probably be dead right now. I wasn't a fuck up, I was just really interested in exploring whatever was out there after mushrooms, but I couldn't get them.
Plus, "the streets" you're picture looks a lot different than 90% of America which is suburban or rural and the choices of drugs for teens to get their hands on can probably be counted on one hand, maybe two. It ain't thug life, and it ain't the Wal-mart of drugs that SR is.
I think encouraging parents to be better parents is exactly the right idea, and is the libertarian idea nonetheless. Kids aren't adults and they shouldn't be treated like adults. They need to be given freedom and guided when they steer the wrong way. When you actually become a parent, you will understand this. There is a fine line between over-parenting and neglect. If a kid in your community died because of SR, holding a community meeting and deciding to keep packages at the PO for parents to pick up is not over-parenting, it's simply caring about your kids' safety. When your kid can give you an essay on all the health issues surrounding the majority of the drugs bought on SR, then go ahead and stop monitoring the mail. Just like when you prove you can drive a car, that's when you get a driver's license.
So yes, it needs to be coupled WITH education of course. And that makes legalization is the best route. We're talking about an imperfect system here, let's not pretend our viewpoints are perfect, too.
Education is why I ventured down the road in the first place. My parents, school, teachers, and pretty much every adult in my life lied to me. That has a bit of a drastic effect on a kid. Though, I'm an off case - I turn every adventure into a research project, which is ultimately how I came to understand the bullshit that was being served to me.
The education principal is completely off kilter, and needs an overhaul. We have too much of a distanced extreme within the gap of beliefs. The power of experimentation is epic, as it is probably the single best way for any one person to understand anything. That is unfortunately, the truth... and we ourselves say this all the time, when we get angry at those who judge us without the knowledge to do so.
That being said, look at what SR is: we have refined our ways to the point of near perfection. For any kid who wants, a simple search on this forum and a few hours of research will yield every avenue for receiving mail with, or without, an adult ever knowing.
So, where am I going with this. Protecting kids, sheltering them, is nice when they are younger, but when preparing them for the real world I'd say its probably better to actually prepare them, rather than try and make it inaccessible/non existent. These kids are excited BECAUSE they are rebelling. They are showing the world that they have beaten their system, that the man couldn't keep them down. Isn't that essentially what we are doing ourselves, except we are doing so for our own freedoms? I'm reminded of Nick Naylor from "Thank You For Smoking." During the senatorial disposition, the senator from virginia spitefully asks how Nick would feel if his son started smoking. He very point blank said, "If he really wants a cigarette, I'll buy him his first pack."
That is a pretty profound thing to do, especially when the media would just as easily wish us to believe that smoking a single cigarette kills 10 babies and throws kittens out of windows into a burning pool of napalm.
And what about beer?
Yea, heroin and shit have a pretty nasty chemical addiction and it can easily get out of hand. In the end, why did it get out of hand?
Now I'm not saying I'll hand my son his first stamp bag, hell no, that'd be ludicrous. But, I will explain to him the difference between movies and real life. Because, thats what this is all really about, right? As a kid, I saw pot cause ridiculous hallucinations and stupid acts of idiocy. I saw cocaine bring women and fun. I saw heroin bring orgasms and bliss. And then at school, and the other adults in my life, and DARE education, I saw that touching it made you a low life scumbag with 6 kids and a prison sentence... snorting cocaine gives you aids... doing ecstacy makes you stupid.... heroin turns you into a prostitute.
Which example, is the right one there?
Now, as for these tumblr kids. There really is not any way to prevent this, though tumblr could possibly help us out by removing the content (which, as far as I can recall, they have done in the past for certain things - depending on what is actually demonstrated in the photo.) The issues with outing vendors and their methods is definitely an issue, but all the same while we can all believe we are creative there is only so many ways to skin a chicken - you are only as unique as you believe you are. LE doesn't need someone to buy from you to know that someone has bought from you before - that information and what you sell is already on the site. Unless the idiot on tumblr knows anything more about you than is displayed on SR, no more information than would previously be available is made available, except maybe your creativity in packaging.
Just because they know the packaging, doesn't make the USPS any smarter or any better funded.
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hey offbeatadam, I think we essentially agree, I just thought I'd point that out :)
I know my arguments sound like someone who would be coming from the "We need to prevent kids from accessing SR" camp. I assure you I am 100% not in that camp, lol. I am in the parents need to be better parents camp, and we also need to legalize drugs so that SR doesn't have to exist, and so that comprehensive research, education, and harm reduction programs are the *standard* in society.
So that is where we disagree, I think, because I do not believe SR is ideal or perfect in any way. Imagine if you had to buy your groceries, or your beer, through SR. That would fucking suck. Buying groceries isn't even ideal with all the shit that surrounds big agro, non-gmos, pesticides, etc.. but it's a lot better of a system than SR is that's for sure. And yes, I do believe some day that's what it will be like... you'll go to the store, get whatever you want essentially (with some restrictions, not just age limits but perhaps licenses, counseling, etc..)
So this system, it's not perfect by any means. It's only better than what we've had to deal with in the past few decades. But it still puts drug use in the shadows, it still funds violent cartels, and the information on here about drugs is NOT ideal for someone just learning the ropes. I read more misinformation here than other forums that's for sure. I also find myself reading what I want to read -- look up a vendor, and look for the positive reports, and take them as if I trust the person giving it. Who knows who that person is? Maybe they would be the last person on earth I would trust if I actually met the fucker. Teenagers project even more than this, all kinds of things onto the words they read! That is a part of growing up in today's society that a lot of adult's have a hard time relating to, they probably hardly realize their own projections let alone the projections of a young person's mind. But the difference is clear when you look at how pedos lure kids into meeting them, they are much more vulnerable. If they WANT to believe something, and some asshole just happens to jokingly state it, they will find validation in their beliefs. They can think me or you is a Professor of Health or a stupid junkie, and will likely get it wrong 9 times out of 10. So that vulnerability is there and it shouldn't be taken lightly.
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hey offbeatadam, I think we essentially agree, I just thought I'd point that out :)
I know my arguments sound like someone who would be coming from the "We need to prevent kids from accessing SR" camp. I assure you I am 100% not in that camp, lol. I am in the parents need to be better parents camp, and we also need to legalize drugs so that SR doesn't have to exist, and so that comprehensive research, education, and harm reduction programs are the *standard* in society.
So that is where we disagree, I think, because I do not believe SR is ideal or perfect in any way. Imagine if you had to buy your groceries, or your beer, through SR. That would fucking suck. Buying groceries isn't even ideal with all the shit that surrounds big agro, non-gmos, pesticides, etc.. but it's a lot better of a system than SR is that's for sure. And yes, I do believe some day that's what it will be like... you'll go to the store, get whatever you want essentially (with some restrictions, not just age limits but perhaps licenses, counseling, etc..)
So this system, it's not perfect by any means. It's only better than what we've had to deal with in the past few decades. But it still puts drug use in the shadows, it still funds violent cartels, and the information on here about drugs is NOT ideal for someone just learning the ropes. I read more misinformation here than other forums that's for sure. I also find myself reading what I want to read -- look up a vendor, and look for the positive reports, and take them as if I trust the person giving it. Who knows who that person is? Maybe they would be the last person on earth I would trust if I actually met the fucker. Teenagers project even more than this, all kinds of things onto the words they read! That is a part of growing up in today's society that a lot of adult's have a hard time relating to, they probably hardly realize their own projections let alone the projections of a young person's mind. But the difference is clear when you look at how pedos lure kids into meeting them, they are much more vulnerable. If they WANT to believe something, and some asshole just happens to jokingly state it, they will find validation in their beliefs. They can think me or you is a Professor of Health or a stupid junkie, and will likely get it wrong 9 times out of 10. So that vulnerability is there and it shouldn't be taken lightly.
Oh, we do essentially agree :)
While I do hope that eventually we'll figure out how much harm we do by thinking we know whats best for anyone... I don't think it will ever be the case. Things will change, there is no doubt about that... but I'm not ready to believe that freedom is around a corner after a few more dark alleys. SR isn't perfect, but its there. We can go to walmart and buy guns, but we have to go to extreme ends to enjoy ourselves. SR will never be perfect or ideal, but there will always be a need for an SR. In the future it may not be for drugs, but you never know: you may need to one day buy groceries through SR. You may one day have to buy butter through SR because the state banned it and hoarded it for themselves and their morning toast.
But like you say, even buying groceries isn't ideal. Nothing is ideal about commercialized society - though its better than most of the alternatives have so far demonstrated to be. Let's not get into that too much, but the reality is you're right - you've no idea if what your buying is going to give you cancer in 5 years, or if you'll end up with cholera in the morning because a farmer didn't notice his septic system had leaked into the soil under his cabbage. It's a very, very, shitty thing.
Even if drugs are put on a pharmacy shelf, you'll never avoid these concepts, because someone else will always think they know what is good and what is bad for you, what is acceptable and what is inacceptable, what is necessary and what is unnecessary. Look at doctors. I don't trust them anymore, because they are more focused on DEA regulations and covering their own ass instead of actually caring for people. I've had a friend suffer dramatically from this very concept, as he very nearly experienced fatal liver issues thanks to the tylenol in vicodin - and no, thats not due to alcohol, that is due to a condition that also prevents him from using alcohol too. His doctor, who should have paid attention to that, and did not - so rather than a prescription for something without apap, he gave him the default with "harm reduction" and sent him on his way.
We are unfortunately left to rely on these systems, as we are unable to otherwise provide for ourselves. It is what it is. I could say SR is full of likeminded people who want to enjoy themselves just as much as we do, and therefor won't cause me harm - but we all know that to be untrue. It may be from vendor to vendor, a true statement.. and frequently it is, they are there to enjoy it with us. That does not make it any more or less worth considering, because just as easily the person they got it from could be out to cause harm, something the vendor may not have immediate control or knowledge of. It's a risk. It's identical to the risk of buying peanut butter... they don't want to give us salmonella, but sometimes it does happen. I'm not going to avoid eating it because of that.
I am still inclined to at the very least lean towards a general appreciation for this community. We are, still and always, here because of our like minds... and because of that we generally will agree. We ARE a community, and entrance into that takes at least a modicum of consistent positive contribution (though there are those who are the exact opposite of course). There was a kid in the newbie discussion forum, around when I was first actively posting after a while in the shadows just reading. She was claiming to be 15 or something, her and her friend were wanting to do meth. The thing that struck me as indicative of at least the core culture here, was that every post in that thread was to tell them not to do it. We didn't say how slippery of a slope it was, we told them exactly what was going to happen. There was some hinting towards the eventual meth-head image that we've all come to remember from HBO stories... but overall, we took to educating them that it wasn't going to be as good and fun as they believed.
Misinformation is going to happen - the problem also being that some of the people spreading that misinformation are spreading it because they believe it is the correct information... while being fed the misinformation by malicious puppet masters. That... is unavoidable. In our world though, evolution has changed... we no longer develop defenses or engineer new methods of hunting to survive - we are now a culture that evolves through the tests of society. Whether we like it or not, there will never be the ability to avoid misinformation... but just as any other right of passage, it is learning to cope and work through it - to read the bullshit, call it out, and get the truth - that allows us to navigate the world of bad. That stands true of any situation, drugs or otherwise. This doesn't speak highly of those who do fall for it, but unfortunately that simply explains the opposite. Silly enough, its a concept I learned from comic books. Any time you add a super hero, you get a super villain. As we get smarter and defeat it, they get smarter and come back. This is creating a gap, one that is not being filled by the present educational standards... and that, scares me most of all.
Trust is a funny thing. Some believe in others so much that trusting happens too easily... others have such a cynical outlook that everyone is untrustworthy. Many on this community are just as happy to claim that reviews are worthless padded crap... and in some cases I am inclined to agree. I prefer to not trust, but ultimately I have to give the benefit of the doubt when purchasing something. If I go based upon all of the factors that I see, I would have never bought. Typically speaking though, I take a more novel approach to the process than the amazon way - I tend to find most of the order reviews to be largely useless. MDMA for example, 90% of the time I see reviews where someone says "Just came in, looks good, will update when I try it." That update, never comes - and yet, it comes with a 5/5. What the hell is that? So, I chose instead to take a somewhat riskier balance of chance and research. For many of the things that I do, there is a wealth of information from people here, that I've come to trust. That trust was refined through trial and error. I'd buy something that looked good from reviews here on the forums, and compare my experience - and I'd use that to judge the character of the reviews made by the reviewers.
I haven't turned that around yet, to post my own reviews... mostly because I haven't felt I have enough experience to do so yet. I have though come to determine that we have a lot of smart people here, good - and bad - through those experiences... and because of that, I lean towards a distrust. That is just how I analyze things. It's that analytical skill though, that I hope to eventually pass on to my children.
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People getting caught is not good for anyone. If you understand how intelligence gathering works, you would know this.
This is a smart but idealistic thought. People are inevitably going to get caught. People are going to inevitably talk. Let the idiots fill the quota before they get to us. Thats the basic principle.
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This is a smart but idealistic thought. People are inevitably going to get caught. People are going to inevitably talk. Let the idiots fill the quota before they get to us. Thats the basic principle.
You don't have to be the fastest zebra in the herd... but if you're one of the slowest, you're fucked.
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I think overeager kids are the biggest threat SR has to face. The first time a prominent 14 year old OD's and its traced back SR, the place will be flooded with LE to the point of making SR unusable.
I suggest that its in our own interests to solve this problem, and the only approach I can is to have tests that force the prospective user to demonstrate a knowledge of drug doses, effects and harm reduction.
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I think overeager kids are the biggest threat SR has to face. The first time a prominent 14 year old OD's and its traced back SR, the place will be flooded with LE to the point of making SR unusable.
I suggest that its in our own interests to solve this problem, and the only approach I can is to have tests that force the prospective user to demonstrate a knowledge of drug doses, effects and harm reduction.
That's quite a hefty requirement though. Who is going to pose these interviews? Surely you can't expect it to be a multiple choice question test - this is the internet. Not to mention there are plenty of adults here who would be out-smarted by kids too. They may not necessarily be on the forums (though some are), but they're present everywhere.
It's not a problem that can be solved. There are too many variables. The beauty of SR is in its ambiguity. Hell, the entire purpose of it is pretty well described in the forbes interview. It's here not because DPR thinks drugs are great or harmless, but because he believes - like we all believe - that the right to use them in the face of those potential harms, is at the very core of being free. Introducing systems like that, only serves to limit the freedoms of people that suddenly become alienated by the "higher order" individuals. It becomes a class based community, whereby suddenly we decide who is and who isn't allowed in our little group.
That sounds ... well I wouldn't want to be a part of that.
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Simple fact is; If you have such a place where anyone, of any age with the skill to access it, is able to buy whatever drug they want completely anonymously, then you have to come to expect these sort of things.
But honestly, what harm can come to this? The only thing I can think of is a mass of immature 14 year olds posting on these forums and spamming them (which i think we can agree, most of the people with high negative karma is usually due to the regular immature and uneducated posts, making it quite obvious).
Just go with it, enjoy silkroad and accept this sort of stuff,
Locker.
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STUPID FUCKING KIDS !!!
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i hope "2cool4u" doesnt drop the soap in the shower
I kinda hope he does!
NCK
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2cool4u sounds like a username I'd see on the latest episode of "To Catch A Predator".
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Most references to SR which I've seen on Tumblr are surprisingly sensible, often answering questions about SR with posts such as, "I don't want to talk about it" or, "No, I am not going to tell you how to buy drugs on Silk Road". The way Tumblr works, those who are most respected are asked the most questions. Generally the posts about drugs by teens on Tumblr are far more knowledgeable than those made by their parents and grandparents on Facebook, and often more creative and less likely to offend than those made here.
Perhaps it depends on the area of Tumblr one inhabits?
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The more people openly promote their (safe) recreational drug use the more it normalises recreational drug use within society and surely brings us closer to legalisation.
Just as long as it's not me or my kids sticking their necks on the line!
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The more people openly promote their (safe) recreational drug use the more it normalises recreational drug use within society and surely brings us closer to legalisation.
Not necessarily; it depends on the drug and the country. Legislation does not always reflect 'normalised' behaviour, especially in countries with non-elected rulers. Where I live, the more that LSD and ecstacy were openly promoted, the greater was the reaction from the authorities. Before they were openly promoted, neither were illegal to possess. As their use increased and more people started promoting them, the penalties for possessing them became more severe, and today they are both legally classified as "Class A" drugs (the most dangerous category).
One of the criticisms of Timothy Leary by Aldous Huxley and others was that Leary's open promotion of LSD in the USA, and his encouragement of others to do similarly, led directly to the authorities bringing in legislation to control it.
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Common sense just doesn't go around like it used to.
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They should refer to the first and second rules of Fight Club!
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They should refer to the first and second rules of Fight Club!
You just broke them...
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One of the criticisms of Timothy Leary by Aldous Huxley and others was that Leary's open promotion of LSD in the USA, and his encouragement of others to do similarly, led directly to the authorities bringing in legislation to control it.
From what I can see, Leary did both a good and bad by basically giving people a 'training wheels' type of trip mentality.. like a stereotype of tripping like being drunk is acting a certain way, he was getting the mainstream to all have a groupthink of 'tripping for dummies' way to act
it made it very faddish and fake but watching TV from the 60's/70's is a lot of fun when you are tripping though because of it
it would be great to have a high % of true psychonauts in our population but I really doubt it can even happen. Certain personality types prevent LSD from being a good experience for them.
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Maybe DPR should add some sort of IQ test that requires you to pass before you can make an account. Idk if publicity is good or bad for the road, but if LE know that kids are able to get drugs through the internet, they will more likely try even harder to bust everyone on the Road and just bust the whole thing in general.
But honestly, who gives a shit about those kids? If they get caught, GOOD FOR THEM. They shouldn't even be on here if they don't have the common sense to keep their dumbass mouth's shut.
BTW, is there an age requirement or anything to be here? Or on the Road? Just curious.
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on the Silk Road facebook page (which is an incredibly stupid idea in my opinion) you see multiple posts from people talking about what kinds of drugs they are planning on purchasing, how much they use the site, etc. These people are fucking retarded. all of the 2.2k people who "liked" the page deserve one of those hoover awards
I agree and feel the same, I would never like the SR FB page or post about my purchases...
A friend of mine however, who uses drugs a lot more than I do, sometimes posts on social media about his drug use. He doesn't try to hide or deny it, he just wants to be himself and doesn't care if other people judge him for it. He is on drugs most of the time so he's not exactly normal, but each to their own I guess. :)
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Maybe DPR should add some sort of IQ test that requires you to pass before you can make an account...
BTW, is there an age requirement or anything to be here? Or on the Road? Just curious.
Huh?
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Being apart of the younger group I see no hope for my peers, at least the ones in my area.
Maintaining a security culture to some extent is key when using SR and in general, they can't
keep their mouthes shut about anything. If one of my peers found out about SR they wouldn't
be able to shut up about it. I could easily see the one that found out about it telling all of his/her friends and getting them
all to put money towards making a big purchase, misusing the product, and making phone calls to
excitedly tell their friends, how f****d up they are all while posting incriminating pictures/videos on their
favorite social networks. I brought up Edward Snowden to an acquaintance today, it was the first he heard about him,
after he made a quick google search he exclaimed in a very surprised voice, "The NSA is spying on us?!"
Their interest in things are based off of others feedback. If an experience isn't published or shared with friends
it's meaningless to them. So sad.
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Their interest in things are based off of others feedback. If an experience isn't published or shared with friends
it's meaningless to them. So sad.
stay safe - what you said should remind everyone how quick the cat is let out of the bag with this generation
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Maybe DPR should add some sort of IQ test that requires you to pass before you can make an account...
BTW, is there an age requirement or anything to be here? Or on the Road? Just curious.
Huh?
Idk man. That statement was pretty retarded considering this is all anonymous lol.
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Meet Alec, a 17-year-old from Michigan who goes by “2cool4u.” http://www.dailydot.com/crime/tumblr-teens-silk-road-drug-deals/
First off, do we know that' Alec's real username? There is one user with that name on the main site so that part is true, but the original article didn't say that. So are you just messing with that particular user or did you find out for sure with your own digging? I'm contemplating sending him a message and asking him to take down that blog post, show him the article and politely explain why it's necessary.
Second off, unto to the subject matter of the article itself. There are some extremely valid issues raised by the posters in this thread about what having a bunch of "teens bragging on Tumblr" is NOT a good thing for this website and why the community should rally against this behavior and try to curb it. There is the obvious security risks for not only those posters but for their vendors and the site in general. Some of the tumblr posters were posting some of the stealth packaging and talking about it. That puts a great risk on the vendor. What if that got intercepted by their parents and their parents inform the post office and the post office informs the DEA? Vendors are already taking on this risk obliviously, but the bragging kids increases that Beta of risk to new deviations. Knowing that, why would those vendors continue to sell? This could lead to less quality vendors while good risk-savvy vendors back out.
While we are talking about the vendor side of the equation here, not only do current vendors have a greater risk of getting caught because of these kids recklessness -- it opens the doors for less reputable vendors to fuck over people. This increases the publicity of the site on the worst venues (tumblr) and opens the possibility for more scammers both customers and vendors. Like I said before if the if smart vendors leave because they're getting compromised then the dumber vendors have room to increase, someone who could fuck up your order, straight up scam you out of BTC, get caught by LE because they didn't use the proper security measures and practice good stealth techniques. If someone posts about their use of the shit on tumblr with a selfie do you want to trust them with any kind of sensitive information about you whether you're buying or selling from the person?
tl:dr : kids posting about SR scares off venders; creates more scammers and stupid vendors.
I've seen similar things happen to similar online communities for years. Even a clearnet forum for selling drugs before SR was invented, the place got shut down a couple months after people were talking about in on Facebook and what do you know, LE found them out. I know the Road is different, but I'm cautious.
As far as what we can do about it? A couple people have already suggested making some kind of quiz which is what I was thinking at first. There would a general guideline with certain rules and then a quiz on those rules before allowing someone to register. I don't know if the technology is there to do that. Either that or a landing page you have to read before you can register. Something that goes into detail about not talking about Silk Road on social media for your own safety and those of the other people on the site. At least make sure that thought is put into peoples heads to get them to think twice. At least that? Even just having a "Fight Club Rules" general guideline. As far as the question of age verification goes, alcohol, tobacco and porn are all sold on the Road. You have to show ID to buy those in real life. So it would make sense to have some kind of "You need to be 21 or over to use this site" message even though that sound as redundant as pissing in the wind when you're talking about a site that also sells crack and heroin.
I'm thinking about starting an age verification service where people send a timestamped photo with their username and part of a license with their birthdate clear and their initials but everything else can be blocked out to ensure anonymity. Then make a list of those who sent me proof they are over 21 and have that list available for vendors. Or maybe someone else can do this? I don't know. It would be totally voluntary and a vendor can say "I'm doing business with you unless you've verified your age" or something. That might curb the influx at least.
No one here wants to see this balloon out of control and watch silk road be brought down to a flaming ruin by reckless and retarded sixteen year olds.
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So it would make sense to have some kind of "You need to be 21 or over to use this site" message even though that sound as redundant as pissing in the wind when you're talking about a site that also sells crack and heroin.
...and fake identities
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If an experience isn't published or shared with friends it's meaningless to them. So sad.
If sharing an experience with friends makes them happy, why is it sad?
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You know what? I Feel bad for these guys and I hope somewhere along the line the see the errors of their ways, but these guys are leaving themselves as easy picking for LE and will hopefully give them the scalp that means they can't be assed.
Every time i make an order i stress - what if the buyer is LE (even though i always do my research), what if they are searching they mail, what if they tracked my IP etc,. etc,. I just think of these sorts of people who are openly bragging about what they are doing, and that is where LE will be focusing their efforts because it's much easier and we all know how lazy LE really is.
And this doesn't just go towards the guys on tumblr but also facebook and twitter. what are they thinking? are they just asking for trouble.
get on the road, do you research on the forums, contribute where you feel like, don't give away any personal details, get your drugs and that's it. don't link any of your other internet activity to the SR. and keep your bragging about it IRL to a minimum. Yes it's impossible to keep it to nothing (unless your super disciplined, and I'll admit I am not) because when you're in a club and you're off your face, I know all too well the temptation is to tell people that your off your head on drugs YOU BOUGHT ON THE INTERNET (!!!), but keep it to a VERY minimum.
It all comes down to one thing - be FUCKING smart about it.
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If an experience isn't published or shared with friends it's meaningless to them. So sad.
If sharing an experience with friends makes them happy, why is it sad?
Well not in all cases of course, but they don't know where the line is. I am referring to the experiences in which it would be more secure to keep to themselves, or spread to as few people as possible. Some of my peers love bragging to their parents about how drunk/high they get believe it or not. I can think of a few off the top of my head that would. Maybe this isn't that bad to some of you. However, I think that in society, especially today, it's important to know when some things just are meant to be kept to oneself or a few select people.
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Ok I'll be honest here...I'm pretty young. And after reading this thread, most of you guys would for sure not approve of me, or ppl around my age being here. That's all im gonna say about that I don't want to give any details or nothin.
Let me tell you guys as a youth of today, everything now a days is about status..It's probably the media. Stupid ass shows like keeping up with the Kardashians, all mainstream rap/hip hop. I feel like i'm way older than I really am, just because my peers are so fucking ridiculous. I do some retarded ass shit once in a while, but who doesn't?
NEVER in my life would I think about ''bragging'' on the internet about me browsing SR and these forums...I even got sketched telling my own friends. The thing is that Social Media kind of encourages the behavior, not directly, but it does.
For example: Instagram. How many kids use it? Just about every teen in America(& elswhere). Even youngins use it which is pretty stupid. Basically the only reason Instagram exists (ina kid's mind) is to show off. I'm sure there are some people out there that use it for what it was REALLY made for, sharing experiences and good times with family and friends. To alot of kids, it's ''How many likes can I get?? What cool effects can I add to pictures to get a bunch of likes?'' ''How can I look cool?''
It's pretty much a popularity contest. That's really all it is. The other week I saw one of my friends post a picture of the SR homepage...how fucking retarded I thought. Then he went even further to explain it all to someone that commented. Like how fucking dumb can you be?
It's all in the environment you grow up in...and if you're pay attention, these days are absolutely fucked. Try to see who (the mass of)teens are looking up to now a days. TV is so fucking dumbed down, commercials; you must have down syndrome to not get them. Every thing is so spoonfed and just in your face... I feel like the audience in which the market to is around the 10-12 age group. Immature, would laugh at just about anything.
Let it be known, I am a dumbfuck. Straight stupid, with the life choices I've made..but I still have a liiiittle bit of common sense left.
Let me know if I should take me age down I feel like I shouldn't have said that.
You're describing every generation ever.
"The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers." - Socrates
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Hahahah wow holy fuck, alrighty then.
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Ok I'll be honest here...I'm pretty young. And after reading this thread, most of you guys would for sure not approve of me, or ppl around my age being here. That's all im gonna say about that I don't want to give any details or nothin.
Let me tell you guys as a youth of today, everything now a days is about status..It's probably the media. Stupid ass shows like keeping up with the Kardashians, all mainstream rap/hip hop. I feel like i'm way older than I really am, just because my peers are so fucking ridiculous. I do some retarded ass shit once in a while, but who doesn't?
NEVER in my life would I think about ''bragging'' on the internet about me browsing SR and these forums...I even got sketched telling my own friends. The thing is that Social Media kind of encourages the behavior, not directly, but it does.
For example: Instagram. How many kids use it? Just about every teen in America(& elswhere). Even youngins use it which is pretty stupid. Basically the only reason Instagram exists (ina kid's mind) is to show off. I'm sure there are some people out there that use it for what it was REALLY made for, sharing experiences and good times with family and friends. To alot of kids, it's ''How many likes can I get?? What cool effects can I add to pictures to get a bunch of likes?'' ''How can I look cool?''
It's pretty much a popularity contest. That's really all it is. The other week I saw one of my friends post a picture of the SR homepage...how fucking retarded I thought. Then he went even further to explain it all to someone that commented. Like how fucking dumb can you be?
It's all in the environment you grow up in...and if you're pay attention, these days are absolutely fucked. Try to see who (the mass of)teens are looking up to now a days. TV is so fucking dumbed down, commercials; you must have down syndrome to not get them. Every thing is so spoonfed and just in your face... I feel like the audience in which the market to is around the 10-12 age group. Immature, would laugh at just about anything.
Let it be known, I am a dumbfuck. Straight stupid, with the life choices I've made..but I still have a liiiittle bit of common sense left.
Let me know if I should take me age down I feel like I shouldn't have said that.
I like your attitude man - we were all young once and we all did stupid things, and hell man i'm well into my 30's and i'm still doing stupid things. There is a lot of fun in doing stupid things and in many ways it is the stupid things that make life... But you gotta realise when there is a limit, you gotta realise when your intruding onto other people, and you gotta make sure you keep yourself and others safe (which includes keeping clear of LE)... So it's good when a young person can see that what they are doing is stupid cause so many are just clueless.
Re: Social media and television: All young people have ridiculous amounts of peer pressure placed on them. Moreso than over, and far more than I faced when I was in High School....But the fact that you can see it and you can see the bullshit that social media and television represent, means that one day you will push through to the other side.
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If an experience isn't published or shared with friends it's meaningless to them. So sad.
If sharing an experience with friends makes them happy, why is it sad?
Well not in all cases of course, but they don't know where the line is.
I take your point, but it is the generalisation, the "they..." which rankles.
I spend a lot of time on Tumblr, and most of my followers and the people I follow take drugs. I have seen over 250,000 posts either on my dash or in people's archives, and not one of them was from someone boasting about buying drugs on SR. Neither have I come across any screenshots of SR (although I'm sure a search would turn up the usual images, including copies of the one used by Wikipedia). I have seen 4 or maybe 5 posts which mentioned SR, all replying to anonymous questions along the lines of "Have you ever used Silk Road?". (There is a tradition on Tumblr of active bloggers being prepared to answer any question, no matter how intimate.) The responses (as best I can remember) were: "I've used Silk Road, but I don't want to talk about it"; "No, I am not going to tell you how to use Silk Road"; "I used it once, but I won't be using it again"; and "Yes. Why do you want to know?"
YMMV, but that is my experience.
If I came across a Tumblr blog where someone openly boasted about taking drugs on Silk Road, I would almost certainly "Ignore" them, not least because of the possibilities that they were LE or setting bait for a phishing site.
However, Facebook may well be different. I wouldn't know. And as for Reddit...
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Thanks for the post! I hope these kids don't have their lives ruined because of their tendency to overshare...
same, some people see the internet as a giant consensual hallucination, and just reveal way too much shit that's going on in their lives or head.
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Damnit fuck!!! I'm sorry for the profanity, but this is what ruins it for everyone else! Anyone remember when Salvia Divinorum was legal? The drug itself isn't such a big deal-- it's very intense but harmless. Yet nobody really paid attention to it until teenagers started posting videos to youtube and shit, and getting in trouble with their parents and LE. Once this started happening, it was decided that "This drug is a problem and must be taken care of." which means, essentially, that someone is running for office and can use it as an issue for their campaign agenda. Now, at least in my state, it's a federal offense to posess. Minimum of five years. for fucking SALVIA.
I've been expecting SR to fall down because of this kind of thing.
It's almost always the youngsters that ruin it for everyone else. We shouldn't have to deal with this shit! There are many, many of us who are discreet and careful about our purchases, behavior, and use of the products we receive. Very many of us, like myself, do it privately and don't involve anyone else. We're as responsible as possible and only want to preserve the personal freedom we have enjoyed so far.... and yet we're going to have to suffer for the stupid, arrogant kids who haven't learned to comport themselves.
The media, particularly advertising, focuses on teens, essentially projects the image that they're the center of the universe, and so of course they believe it! I doubt that's going to change in the foreseeable future. Yet it's bullshit, it's the illusion of modern commercialization-- and WE have to suffer for their indiscretion!
Ok... rant finished. Sorry, it's just... frustrating. I know it's never going to happen, but, I wish people would just SHUT UP about SR. Boasting about it doesn't get anybody laid.
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Ok I'll be honest here...I'm pretty young. And after reading this thread, most of you guys would for sure not approve of me, or ppl around my age being here. That's all im gonna say about that I don't want to give any details or nothin.
Let me tell you guys as a youth of today, everything now a days is about status..It's probably the media. Stupid ass shows like keeping up with the Kardashians, all mainstream rap/hip hop. I feel like i'm way older than I really am, just because my peers are so fucking ridiculous. I do some retarded ass shit once in a while, but who doesn't?
NEVER in my life would I think about ''bragging'' on the internet about me browsing SR and these forums...I even got sketched telling my own friends. The thing is that Social Media kind of encourages the behavior, not directly, but it does.
For example: Instagram. How many kids use it? Just about every teen in America(& elswhere). Even youngins use it which is pretty stupid. Basically the only reason Instagram exists (ina kid's mind) is to show off. I'm sure there are some people out there that use it for what it was REALLY made for, sharing experiences and good times with family and friends. To alot of kids, it's ''How many likes can I get?? What cool effects can I add to pictures to get a bunch of likes?'' ''How can I look cool?''
It's pretty much a popularity contest. That's really all it is. The other week I saw one of my friends post a picture of the SR homepage...how fucking retarded I thought. Then he went even further to explain it all to someone that commented. Like how fucking dumb can you be?
It's all in the environment you grow up in...and if you're pay attention, these days are absolutely fucked. Try to see who (the mass of)teens are looking up to now a days. TV is so fucking dumbed down, commercials; you must have down syndrome to not get them. Every thing is so spoonfed and just in your face... I feel like the audience in which the market to is around the 10-12 age group. Immature, would laugh at just about anything.
Let it be known, I am a dumbfuck. Straight stupid, with the life choices I've made..but I still have a liiiittle bit of common sense left.
Let me know if I should take me age down I feel like I shouldn't have said that.
Well the fact that you're asking these questions and promoting safe and responsible use of this site and it's products puts you light years ahead of these other users in terms of maturity. ;) Although every generation is stupid in it's youth, contrary to what shinzon76 said, there is a huge difference with this younger generation -- access to Internet. It puts everyone in the position to be seen at all times and quantifies popularity with things like permanent comments and "likes" shares etc. Young people are already seeking attention in the first place and do dumb things to get it -- that's a given. But with the internet they can be seen and validated by way more people, giving them the illusion that they're stupidity isn't stupid because they are tons of other people doing the same stupid thing. I hate generalizing people because I don't know them and can't read their minds but judging from what these was posted in these examples in the article it definitely rings of a case of validation/attention seeking. People love exclusivity. It's like they are trying to say "Hey look at ME, I know about a cool new thing that YOU don't know about. That's right IIIIIII know about this thing. I'm part of the super secret special club but because I'm so cool I'll help you get in on it!" -- That's what I'm reading into this.
Maybe I'm just over analyzing though. It takes a certain level of mature to move your locus of control from an outer position, where other peoples opinions of you are what's important, to an inner position, when you're opinion of you is what's important.
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Obviously you can't stop them, nor should we try. What young people choose to do with their bodies is a fundamental right of theirs, as much as ours. If there was some massive cultural change, and we didn't have to worry about criminalisation, then I may support restricting activities dependent on differing levels of maturity, but arbitrary age restrictions are simplistic, idiotic even.
I strongly disagree, Hitch. No sane person would hand a loaded pistol to a 3-year-old throwing a tantrum. Young people have impaired judgement, on account of not having finished growing a brain. We should have licensing for substance use, just like we do for other potentially dangerous activities such as driving, flying and hunting. You review the risks, pass your written and practical exams, pay your fee, and you are licensed to shoot heroin. You screw up and harm yourself or others and you get the usual punishments, plus revocation of your license. I wish we had some licensing mechanism on SR. Would it be too restrictive to require potential customers to pass an online exam regarding the known effects and risks of substances they're interested in before they're allowed to purchase them?
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One of the criticisms of Timothy Leary by Aldous Huxley and others was that Leary's open promotion of LSD in the USA, and his encouragement of others to do similarly, led directly to the authorities bringing in legislation to control it.
In particular, Leary's "Tune in, turn on, drop out" slogan raised the hackles of the establishment, as it was no doubt calculated to. If he'd used a more positive slogan like "Drop it, dream it, achieve it" and advocated people use their LSD-fueled insights to improve themselves and society, I wonder how things might have gone differently?
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for those old enough, driving the open road used to be one of the best natural highs there was.. now for a million reasons, it is ruined.. a shell of the symbol of freedom it used to be
same with the internet
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No sane person would hand a loaded pistol to a 3-year-old throwing a tantrum.
How old does someone throwing a tantrum have to be before a sane person would hand them a loaded pistol?
Young people have impaired judgement, on account of not having finished growing a brain.
Most people are convinced that the age at which their judgement is least impaired is their current age, even though they are fully aware this is what they thought in the past, and this is what they will think in the future. Therefore unless the quality of their judgement is constant, most people will have impaired judgement regardless of the status of their brain growth.
I would go further, and suggest that should one finish "growing a brain" then neurologically this would be equivalent to brain death. Biologically the brain does not "grow", in fact the reverse. The number of brain cells one is born with slowly decreases. Brain cells that die are not replaced. [*] However throughout a person's life the brain is able to "grow" in the sense of being able to reorganise its neural pathways and patterns in response to internal and external stimuli, although this ability tends to decrease with age.
People become mature as they grow older, but this mainly entails taking on rigid roles within the society and learning better defences against threats to their ego. In any selected age group I would expect the proportion of people with impaired judgement to be similar. In WWI millions of young people (many of them under 18) were needlessly slaughtered because of the impaired judgement of their elders.
Were tests to be devised for measuring people's judgement, I suspect the results would correlate better with the age of those designing them than with the age of those taking them.
Sterotyping age ranges and generations is divisive. Generalisations need to be used with care when the differences within any one group may be greater than the average differences between the members of the set of groups it belongs to.
Returning to the OP, Tumblr has 100 million blogs, with 75 million new posts being added daily. IMO one unverified example, taken from an online scandal rag, out of a total of 50 billion posts does not justify the title of this topic.
[*] It is thought that while glial cells regenerate, the production of new neurones in humans ceases by the age of four. However in 1999 two neuroscientists claimed that there were indications of neurone renewal in the brain of an adult macaque monkey. If true, then such growth would be an important brain function, the loss of which would likely be detrimental to judgement rather than enhancing it.
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on the Silk Road facebook page (which is an incredibly stupid idea in my opinion) you see multiple posts from people talking about what kinds of drugs they are planning on purchasing, how much they use the site, etc. These people are fucking retarded. all of the 2.2k people who "liked" the page deserve one of those hoover awards
I actually reported the Facebook page for "drug abuse". I encourage all members of this site and those in this thread including yourself to do the same. Not that I don't think this site is awesome, just that something like that leads to negative publicity. Plus people who make unofficial Facebook pages not affiliated with the thing they are posting about creating such a cancer for everyone else. We don't need LE using that to find out more info about his place and we don't need people seeking LIKES and status to jeopardize this great community.
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I don't see the problem, just means the police will use their resources going after the dumb kids posting on tumblr because its easier
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anyone knows if there is actually kids (<18) buying stuff on here?
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anyone knows if there is actually kids (<18) buying stuff on here?
A vendor has admitted being 16 on the forums once, and a 14 year old got turned in by here mom for buying MDMA... I don't think there's that many kids on here though.
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anyone knows if there is actually kids (<18) buying stuff on here?
A vendor has admitted being 16 on the forums once, and a 14 year old got turned in by here mom for buying MDMA... I don't think there's that many kids on here though.
that mom was terrible. she gave up all rights on being called a parent since she gave up and threw her kid to the wolves.
and she thinks she was doing a great parenting move by doing that... what a fool copout lazy bitch. If the kid was a total pile of shit, then she needs to get the father to bust his ass a few times
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anyone knows if there is actually kids (<18) buying stuff on here?
A vendor has admitted being 16 on the forums once, and a 14 year old got turned in by here mom for buying MDMA... I don't think there's that many kids on here though.
I joined this site when I was 16 (on a different account at the start, now 18), and It didn't take me too long to learn how to use it. I feel that If you have the ability and knowledge to access this site, use and buy bitcoins then age should not matter, but simply something we need to accept that we cannot stop.
But 12 year old trolls on the forum, that's a whole different story.... ::)
Locker.
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I joined this site when I was 16...
...But 12 year old trolls on the forum, that's a whole different story.... ::)
This seems a good opportunity to hear from any trollers here. How many of you started when you were 12?
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I think if all vendors require PGP, it will probably take care of a good amount of kiddies too stupid to not post their purchases on clearnet.
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oh tumblr. never change.
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I'm 17 and these kids are dumb as shit, i was a member of silk road for a while and read around before I even dared order something, and im too paranoid to be bragging about it
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Silk Road’s ultimate goal is to create a world where you don’t have to hide the fact that you enjoy recreational drug use. But let’s face the facts: We don’t live in that world right now. Novel-length guides to anonymity and security have been written by Silk Roaders in an effort to stop law enforcement from ever identifying vendors or buyers.
Get on SR, read about SR, read about anonymity and security, and realize that the real goal of SR is to create a market place, free of tax, free of restrictions, and ultimately, a free global trade network.
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Won´t hear me complaining. Its like a game of chess and they´re the pawns.. Hopefully there's enough of these retards to keep LE busy enough to not have the IT or investigative resources come after us.
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I think if all vendors require PGP, it will probably take care of a good amount of kiddies too stupid to not post their purchases on clearnet.
This would be a horrible idea for alot of people, I for one have no idea how PGP works and honestly don't plan to. Why should I spend all that time just to invest in a bit of pot or LSD? I understand It would help safety but it will also push alot of people away, including the 12 year olds that either way, are still paying the vendors ::).
Locker.
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Won´t hear me complaining. Its like a game of chess and they´re the pawns.. Hopefully there's enough of these retards to keep LE busy enough to not have the IT or investigative resources come after us.
Exactly. As long as we can trust the cops to go for the low-hanging fruit, the more cannon fodder the merrier.
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This would be a horrible idea for alot of people, I for one have no idea how PGP works and honestly don't plan to. Why should I spend all that time just to invest in a bit of pot or LSD?
Dude I think you're completely wrong here, it's in everyone's best interest to be using PGP encryption for sending addresses and other private information on SR. If you took some time to learn about it, you would understand why :)
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There are 12 year olds programming semi-complex programs in arcane languages--PGP will not be a deterrence at all. At 12, I knew what not to brag about.
I really see no issue with "kids" being here. A 17 year old doesn't really change that much in one year. I also much rather them get drugs that are higher in quality and less risky than what they get on the streets.
I'm rather sure about 10% of customers here are probably below 18. This is not 1980 where computer-savvy is uncommon.
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Well i smoked my first Joint in the age of 12..Took my first XTC with 14, and my first nose coke was about the age of 16..
The only drugs i didn't try were Meth and Heroin..
I smoke at least 2g of finest Kush a day, maybe take some rails, whatever?!
So, i am not proud for what i do, but it's my fucking right to do it. I work at least 40h a week, and i am part of the towncommunity aswell.
I am sure there are a lot of <18 drugusers, which are smarter than us adults.
So why shouldn't we let them buy clean drugs on a safer way?
If i were a vendor i also wouldn't sell to minors, but how could you check it?
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anyone knows if there is actually kids (<18) buying stuff on here?
I turn 11 next month. I'm pretty advanced for my age though. I've already got 16-year-old girls fucking me for drugs. Thank goodness for Viagra! Really helps at my age.
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Fuck Tumblr, that shit is for bitches and snitches, I couldn't even log in through TOR.
I agree with everyone who said there's no real way to keep kids off of the site. I fear if we had a quiz or something, that people would just look up the answers. When I was a young'un, just a little fella, we would break into the university computers, hack computers all over the world, etc. all remotely with our little 2400bps modems. I almost bought some MDE from canada, it wasn't scheduled there yet, so you'd send some cash in an envelope to some sketchy address in toronto, boom! there were many such offers. This one guy from the chemistry dept. wanted to help me set up a meth lab, I think he was full of shit(or a cop) so that ended pretty quickly. I was a very curious youth, although I have to say that I never talked about drugs online, that was always a big line, the kids these days need to know that we will ALL be fucked out of existence if children become at risk because of this. From what I hear, though, professionals in the substance abuse field are almost completely unaware of SR and drugs-by-mail in general, so I don't think it has really sunk into the collective consciousness yet, everyone knows about it, but I think because of the barriers of entry, having bitcoins, a secure address, etc. I don't think anyone really cares. We should start a social media campaign about talking about drugs, it should be a universal ban on "sourcing" info, like on the Reddit drug forums, there's no sourcing on there, so if you got it on SR, well thats on you, don't tell everyone where you got it. That was a prime rule with the drug scene on the streets when I started getting into that in my late teens, you never reveal your source, kids need to smarten the fuck up, because doing drugs isn't cool. Doing drugs and silently getting away with it, is cool =) Tell them they'll get more sex if they keep quiet about the drugs, that will help, well I won't be saying that to kids, but someone else can. Everybody needs to be like Fonzie. WHAT IS FONZIE LIKE? He's COOL, baby, and if you stay cool like fonzie, ringo here isn't going to get hurt, and you'll both leave here with what you want. Now get my wallet out of the bag, its the one that says "BAD MOTHERFUCKER" on it.
You silly Rabbit! Trix are for kids... shit, that sounds bad.
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but then they watch The Wire and want to be like Ziggy
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Won´t hear me complaining. Its like a game of chess and they´re the pawns.. Hopefully there's enough of these retards to keep LE busy enough to not have the IT or investigative resources come after us.
Exactly. As long as we can trust the cops to go for the low-hanging fruit, the more cannon fodder the merrier.
let the dumb get caught
almost like natural selection
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One of the criticisms of Timothy Leary by Aldous Huxley and others was that Leary's open promotion of LSD in the USA, and his encouragement of others to do similarly, led directly to the authorities bringing in legislation to control it.
That's funny, 'cause Timothy Leary said the same thing about Ken Kesey - when the Merry Pranksters turned up at Millbrook (according to The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test) Leary wouldn't see them or give them any LSD. Leary generally felt that 'just' getting high and fucking about was counter productive and attracted unwanted attention, and led to bad publicity. He preferred the careful and ritualized use of psychedelics...
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Jesus, how can people be so fucking stupid. Please, someone needs to exterminate all these fuckers or throw them all in jail. These are the kind of people that give recreational drug use a bad name.
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Stuff like this annoys me, hope they get caught and do a little time. They'll soon learn to keep quiet.
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https://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=211733.0
I feel that this would interest many of you before I leave, giving you an insight into some of the teenagers that are actually on this forum.
Locker.
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IMHO I think perhaps exterminating these kids may be a bit harsh. I am wondering where they're parents are? Teenagers still need lots of "guidance", and I think parents should be looking at their Facebook pages. I know most kids are happy to have a parent who actually cares about what they're doing. It could be a very harsh lesson and experience for a kid to buy a bunch of H, sell it, and then do hard time for it. Some may argue that it may set them up to fail the rest of their life. I think parents should be much more involved in their kids lives.
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If kids actually knew what drugs did to them when they're young, they wouldn't do them. Your brain is still developing and the chemicals fuck with it and re-arrange your brain chemistry. When you're using them you don't realize it or think it will happen to you, and most people probably don't even realize it when they grow up. I smoked almost everyday, with a couple month breaks in between,for almost 3 years straight when I was 13-16 and now I've been fucked ever since I was about 15 1/2. If you're pre-disposed to mental illness and you do drugs growing up, you're going to have a higher chance of getting it, and are most likely going to be fucked for a long time if you start having an episode. It's been a few years now and I've had the same thoughts stuck in my head and can't focus on anything, and can't get them out of my head, and it distracts me and I literally won't be able to do anything to my full skill level, if even close. The only thing that partially helps now is Benzo's, and my doctor and therapist won't fucking give me any more than 10 lorazapam per month. That's pretty much why I'm here. Guess the moral of my story is if you start doing drugs young you're future can potentially be a complete 180 of where you want to go.
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If kids actually knew what drugs did to them when they're young, they wouldn't do them....
...Guess the moral of my story is if you start doing drugs young you're future can potentially be a complete 180 of where you want to go.
Sadly, even if most kids knew what ONE drug experience would do to them, I think they would still do it. Seeing what a pattern of future use would do is not likely to affect many kids short term choices. That's why I agree most kids need an adult to help them choose a less harmful path than they would choose on their own. The drug war, however, keeps drug education from being honest and allowing adults to effectively protect young people from a lot of harm.
Just like many died from bad booze during prohibition, these are dangerous times we live in. Thank goodness for SR's efforts at restoring freedom to consume and to educate. How to buy here is news that spreads like wildfire. The educational info spreads less rapidly, but, most of these kids are not so stupid they don't care about safety when not in the moment. It would be good to make safe use and age specific safety info more easily accessible, but, a lot of it can be found here and I am sure many are searching for it.
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https://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=211733.0
I feel that this would interest many of you before I leave, giving you an insight into some of the teenagers that are actually on this forum.
Locker.
Locker, you suck. Go pay your debts to the Spare Coin crew. Then leave like you said you would. In my eyes your welcome to come back whenever you get your mind right and become a more productive person instead of self destructive.
On another now i personally know people who started using SR at age 15 and 16. Although i don't agree with it, they are surprisingly very mature considering the subject. They know that if they are ever caught it wont help rolling on SR and they use their orders responsibly. Most kids at that age i believe would just order one drug after another out of shear irresponsible curiosity
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If kids actually knew what drugs did to them when they're young, they wouldn't do them.
Drugs are serious business. But there is not any such thing as "drugs" (they are all different) and they affect every individual differently depending on what they get interested in, or what they require for health.
For instance, very few people ever feel like their experiments with nootropics (like piracetam, aniracetam, oxiracetam) ruined their life. It depends entirely on your intentions and self-consciousness with regards to personal health as you go into it... and that is something true about all behaviors, not just drugs.
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Your brain is still developing and the chemicals fuck with it and re-arrange your brain chemistry.
Is that true? I have seen similar statements before in anti-drug propaganda, but it is difficult to track down creditable sources for them. The usual explanations given are along the lines of, "It's obvious", or "Everyone knows this is true", or "If you don't believe this you are stupid", which of course are all acceptable arguments on internet forums, although usually seen as hallmarks of lazy thinking or gullibility in formal debate.
Anyway, I am interested in learning more about permanent physiological changes to the brain caused by recreational drugs. Much research has been done looking into possible detrimental long term effects of banned substances in order to justify the legislation prohibiting them, but older studies claiming to have found evidence for this have since been discredited in at least some cases. Therefore references to any recently published peer-reviewed journal articles detailing the biochemical mechanisms and pathways which are "re-arranged" would be most welcome.
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Dumb kids are going to fuck it up for all of us!!!
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Someone a lot more knowledgeable than myself in this area, once told me that drugs do not have a permanent effect on the brains chemistry.
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Someone a lot more knowledgeable than myself in this area, once told me that drugs do not have a permanent effect on the brains chemistry.
I do not have citations to peer-reviewed articles. I hope someone does post those. I am certain some drugs do 'permanent[ly] effect the brains chemistry' (for as long as the person lives). It is obvious :-).
Maybe it is what was used to "cut", remove pests or improve absorption rather than the drug, but I do think some people have gotten their brains slightly or full-on messed up by some drugs. If you can mess someone's brain up without changing the chemistry of that brain, well maybe I'm mistaken. I think some of the changes drugs cause are benificial. People are certainly changed by some patterns of drug use. It can be hard to be certain about some drugs, though, when the drug use never really stops :-)
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I read methamphetamine permanently effects the reward system leaving people party depressed for the rest of their lives but this does sound like it could easily be propaganda and I never read into it fully, also I believe certain ssri's change the chemistry of your brain but I think after a few months it reverts back to normal not sure how permanent it is, again I haven't read into it fully.
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We need to stop kids from using silkroad some how. Any ideas?
It's time to apply some misinformation. Find the threads on Tumblr, where the teens have been bragging, and start feeding them 'tales of misfortune'. Feed them stories of ripoffs, LE raids, customs seizures and robberies. Feed them stories of addiction, mental health and family problems. Be subtle.
A few weeks of misinformation can work wonders. It won't get rid of all of them but it will get rid of a good chunk.
Laplace
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We need to stop kids from using silkroad some how. Any ideas?
It's time to apply some misinformation. Find the threads on Tumblr, where the teens have been bragging, and start feeding them 'tales of misfortune'. Feed them stories of ripoffs, LE raids, customs seizures and robberies. Feed them stories of addiction, mental health and family problems. Be subtle.
A few weeks of misinformation can work wonders. It won't get rid of all of them but it will get rid of a good chunk.
Laplace
This tactic seems to be working well for the goverment.
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I heard meth use gives you hairy palms.... Wait, meth use? Yeah I think it's meth use that gives you hairy palms. Sorry but there are so many damn things in life I'm not suppose to do I just can't keep track.
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We need to stop kids from using silkroad some how. Any ideas?
It's time to apply some misinformation. Find the threads on Tumblr, where the teens have been bragging, and start feeding them 'tales of misfortune'. Feed them stories of ripoffs, LE raids, customs seizures and robberies. Feed them stories of addiction, mental health and family problems. Be subtle.
A few weeks of misinformation can work wonders. It won't get rid of all of them but it will get rid of a good chunk.
Laplace
You have just described the newbie forum ;)
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It's time to apply some misinformation. Find the threads on Tumblr, where the teens have been bragging...
No, please, let us stick with the facts.
A search of the 50,000,000,000 posts there reveals 134 which contain the phrase "Silk Road". Nearly all of these posts refer to travel and trade on the traditional Silk Route which runs through Asia. The few that don't are mostly quoting the Wikipedia article on SR, interviews given by DPR, or similar.
However a general web search finds 1700+ references to "Teens on Tumblr can't stop bragging about Silk Road drug deals". The original article appears to attack both Tumblr and Silk Road, but it is clearly propaganda aimed mainly at Tumblr, which has been coming under increasing pressure from those wanting to see it censored or closed down. As an attempt to manipulate public opinion by applying misinformation, the original article has been remarkably successful.
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Would New buyers limits or restrictions be good with $500 minimum lol?
How else can we control it...thats my 2cents