Silk Road forums
Discussion => Silk Road discussion => Topic started by: Trappy on July 23, 2013, 04:34 am
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We, the TOR community, actually have some structure for the first time, ever. Dread Pirate Roberts has established the first real institution of the darknet. This is the rock from which the entire TOR network hinges upon. When you choose to abide by escrow and the resolution center, you have abided by the authority of this institution and its structures.
We do not rely on a government for structure. We have all chosen to set up shop or purchase from here, to pay the silk road fee and the hedging fee. This funds the resolution center which protects the transactions which fund it.
You do not have to participate in the structure that is the escrow and resolution center if you do not choose to. This is an option, and the more options we the people have, the better. Vendors are each options that you are never forced upon, just as you yourself cannot force a vendor to sell to you.
Theres a new kid on the block, with flashy new clothes and she'll let you in cheap, but you're forgetting the other girl that we never liked. Kinda weird and she used to scam people from time to time, but she exists, and offers escrow.
Black Market Reloaded.
We only seem to recall the echos of old, when it was a more rife den of scammers, but now is not then. Their Administrator, Backopy (and yes, they do have a forums) has been acknowledged by our Administrator.
Until told otherwise, I say that his acknowledgement is the gift of legitimacy. Which ATL has not received (not the city, I'm sure its pleasant this time of year).
The risk to work with illegitimate markets THAT DO NOT TUMBLE YOUR COINS FOR YOU, not only exceeds the amount of risk any of us should take, but is not as economically sound as working exclusively on the silk road! Can you find a bitcoin tumbling service that when combind with another market's fee, will not exceed the current fees of the silk road?
4% for orders above $1000.
Or do you feel comfortable with the blockchain providing LE with every transaction you have made?
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My feelings exactly, feel much more comfortable with BMR than ATl.
Also don't really like how ATl is so pushy and flashy, with all of thier marketing
and commercials, etc. for me just has a bad vibe surrounding it. If SR was down I would
rather shop BMR any day. IMHO
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Ive used BMR and ATL before.
Received 3/3 orders from BMR and 0/1 from ATL.
I like how Atlantis is usuing other crypto currencies though. That is one of SR's biggest weaknesses as far as im concerned.
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My feelings exactly, feel much more comfortable with BMR than ATl.
Also don't really like how ATl is so pushy and flashy, with all of thier marketing
and commercials, etc. for me just has a bad vibe surrounding it. If SR was down I would
rather shop BMR any day. IMHO
They don't realize the better way. They're new, they should have focused on bringing new people into the TOR community from the clearnet, rather than poaching silk roaders. There is still a tremendously uninformed population that could easily acquire the capability to use the TOR browser bundle and a hidden service, but they are untapped because nobody wants to reach out to them.
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Atlantis is one of the worst things to happen to the darknet in a while IMHO. Not a big fan. They popped up at a very suspicious time. They put up youtube advertisements. I highly doubt any founding member of Atlantis would ever put up a manifesto as DPR has entailing his true intentions behind the movement we are all a part of. Fuck Atlantis.
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No, I'm sure ATL will say something in some regard if they haven't already. Its all theater to entertain us, and we should only consider the hard data, not what they say.
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I'm excited about Onion Bank, which allows you to integrate payments into any (hidden service) web site. It gives merchants the opportunity to be independent of the walled gardens of the existing markets, and for only a 2.5% escrow fee, although the real value of the markets is exposure to buyers. Still, I think it could lead to a lot of innovation in onionspace.
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Tell me more, I've never heard about an onion bank.
I do know that there is an onion for stock investment, but I am dubious about it and its longevity.
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What other structures can we put together what will protect silk road users or onion users in general? We have so much untapped talent on these very forums that is given no work.
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What other structures can we put together what will protect silk road users or onion users in general? We have so much untapped talent on these very forums that is given no work.
A massive combined effort to thwart the postal service and law enforcement. I think every single time one of us mails legitimate legal mail, it is imperative that we rub as much weed dust, finger hash, resin, and any other smelly illegal residues you may have lying around.
If every single load of mail alerts sniffer dogs, will they be able to check it all? ;)
On a similar note, I think that it would be very cool if a bunch of people donated their time to checking a LOT of legitimate USPS tracking numbers through TOR. Most of us don't want to check tracking through TOR because of perceived security risk, but if thousands of legitimate packages a day were being checked on TOR this risk could be virtually eliminated. I do not know how to acquire a large number of legitimate tracking numbers, but I bet someone here does.
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What other structures can we put together what will protect silk road users or onion users in general? We have so much untapped talent on these very forums that is given no work.
If every single load of mail alerts sniffer dogs, will they be able to check it all? ;)
would someone please think of the dogs?!?!?
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What other structures can we put together what will protect silk road users or onion users in general? We have so much untapped talent on these very forums that is given no work.
A massive combined effort to thwart the postal service and law enforcement. I think every single time one of us mails legitimate legal mail, it is imperative that we rub as much weed dust, finger hash, resin, and any other smelly illegal residues you may have lying around.
If every single load of mail alerts sniffer dogs, will they be able to check it all? ;)
We have discussed this to death over the years. Yes, it is true, but for the time being they are not so actively antagonizing us. So we have no reason to actively antagonize them.
This is a saved mechanism to deal with grossly unwarranted LE intrusions into our systems.
On a similar note, I think that it would be very cool if a bunch of people donated their time to checking a LOT of legitimate USPS tracking numbers through TOR. Most of us don't want to check tracking through TOR because of perceived security risk, but if thousands of legitimate packages a day were being checked on TOR this risk could be virtually eliminated. I do not know how to acquire a large number of legitimate tracking numbers, but I bet someone here does.
Now this is something new. I like this idea, but we would ideally get users who have no interest in drugs to do so. We do not want to erase drops for no reason.
We would need approximately 600,000 TOR clicks to make the TOR community less than 10% of the maximum potential clicks, but less than 0.01% of likely clicks. This would not make it safe to click it over TOR, but it would be an expression of our displeasure to those that choose to persecute us. And the USPS.
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On a similar note, I think that it would be very cool if a bunch of people donated their time to checking a LOT of legitimate USPS tracking numbers through TOR. Most of us don't want to check tracking through TOR because of perceived security risk, but if thousands of legitimate packages a day were being checked on TOR this risk could be virtually eliminated. I do not know how to acquire a large number of legitimate tracking numbers, but I bet someone here does.
Now this is something new. I like this idea, but we would ideally get users who have no interest in drugs to do so. We do not want to erase drops for no reason.
We would need approximately 600,000 TOR clicks to make the TOR community less than 10% of the maximum potential clicks, but less than 0.01% of likely clicks. This would not make it safe to click it over TOR, but it would be an expression of our displeasure to those that choose to persecute us. And the USPS.
A quick protip from a vendor who deals with tracking numbers en masse, they typically run in sequence (eg, start with a known tracking number, then add 7 to the trailing two numbers) Usually, they go up by 7, in order, twice, then up by 16 or 17 (it varies randomly, don't have enough of a data set to find the algorithm yet,) then back to going up by 7 for two more numbers, so on and so forth. So far we've noticed this on the Label 400 books and the APC generated tracking numbers. Regardless, I think this is a wonderful idea. It would make the checking of tracking numbers over TOR much more innocent.
We've already made use of this technique when we lost a good half of our tracking numbers at one point, just going down and trying the numbers in sequence, knowing the following x number of tracking labels ran in sequence and thus were ours :D
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A massive combined effort to thwart the postal service and law enforcement.
A vendor on SR that is so secure that they would be willing to send small quantities of drugs to police and politicians. If this happened to 1,000 cops/politicians in a month's time they would spend themselves into enormous amount of debt from investigating these cases, and maybe even a couple of anti-drug assholes will get fired, thrown in jail at the very least they would look like hypocrites for getting busted with drugs after fighting so hard against them. This vendor(s) would obviously need a way to not have it traced back to them and their packaging should be less than good so the recipient gets busted, maybe even CD'd...An anti-drug cop getting busted with drugs... the press would love that and LE would have to rethink their strategy on the drug war or else risk having drugs mailed to their homes. And having internal affairs investigate all of these cases.
I'm excited about Onion Bank, which allows you to integrate payments into any (hidden service) web site. It gives merchants the opportunity to be independent of the walled gardens of the existing markets, and for only a 2.5% escrow fee, although the real value of the markets is exposure to buyers. Still, I think it could lead to a lot of innovation in onionspace.
I too am interested in this, i hope they develop a way to buy crypto currencies anonymously through escrow as well as launder money that you cant put into your IRL bank.
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A vendor on SR that is so secure that they would be willing to send small quantities of drugs to police and politicians. If this happened to 1,000 cops/politicians in a month's time they would spend themselves into enormous amount of debt from investigating these cases, and maybe even a couple of anti-drug assholes will get fired, thrown in jail at the very least they would look like hypocrites for getting busted with drugs after fighting so hard against them. This vendor(s) would obviously need a way to not have it traced back to them and their packaging should be less than good so the recipient gets busted, maybe even CD'd...An anti-drug cop getting busted with drugs... the press would love that and LE would have to rethink their strategy on the drug war or else risk having drugs mailed to their homes. And having internal affairs investigate all of these cases.
The posting of drugs has been done but still a great idea
A CANNABIS legalisation campaigner was arrested yesterday after sending cigarettes containing the drug to every member of the Irish parliament.
Luke Flanagan, 29, posted them to the 60 senators and 166 deputies.
Last night, only a handful of deputies in the lower chamber, the Dail, reported receiving the consignments which were discovered by officials who are on alert for anthrax parcels.
Mr Flanagan was detained after attempting to deliver a cannabis plant to the minister with responsibility for drugs, Eoin Ryan, at the department of tourism.
Just before his arrest, Flanagan, of Castlerea, Co Roscommon, released a statement saying he had sent the packages to "highlight the hypocrisies of cannabis prohibition".
The campaigner, who recently changed his name to Ming the Merciless, has campaigned for years for legalisation. He ran for parliament on a pro-cannabis ticket in the last general election, polling 540 votes.
A spokesman for the department of justice said there were no plans to change the laws on cannabis, or any other drugs. The British Government last week downgraded cannabis from a Class B to a Class C drug.
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Zerocoin looks like it might have a promising future for everyone's anonyimity in the BTC exchange...
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zerocoin looks like another wanna be bitcoin. if it actually is up and running then its worth a post. right now it just seem like its in the beta state.
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Ya, it's definitely in the beta state. It seems like there starting to make some progress with coding it. Once they get all the kinks worked out it seems more promising that BTC... IMO
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are you following the come up ? do you know the makers of the coin ? are they trustable on there own ? i guess the one guy has a PHD.
pound head down. duhhhhh
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are you following the come up ? do you know the makers of the coin ? are they trustable on there own ? i guess the one guy has a PHD.
pound head down. duhhhhh
Lol, nahh man I just remember reading about it awhile back when I was doing some research on cryptocurrencies. And I ran across a thread about Zerocoin and how it was going to reshape the future of BTC, making it even more anonymous and less trackable and shit like that. For all I know, it could be just a huge coding scheme to actually track every transaction made for LE database. But, who knows. I like to remain cautious, but not paranoid.