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Discussion => Silk Road discussion => Topic started by: PurpleBalloons54 on June 20, 2013, 09:23 pm
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I'm a damn good buyer, and it would be nice for vendors to be able to have more confidence in choosing me as a buyer- reduced requirements for FE, better prices on products, etc.
Overall I think it could bring more confidence and health to the SR marketplace.
Discuss.
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Thank you for saying this. Its definitely needed.
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i have great stats as well! spent just about 10k for my accounts and always FE'ed for my normal vender and one time i trust a new one like i did with my normal i get scamed. wish venders would be fair just like us good buyers are to them! why should we have to FE to get a tracking number for a 1000-2000 product? what if it doesnt show you just get our money still if we FE. not fair we need some changes
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lets just say i have very good trust in this vender.. we had some pretty good talks about business on the road and off to max our income. and i do love being weighed fat as hell!
now with other venders no more! im not going to get fucked again. thers a newish vender with sheets of LSD for 300! oh boy do i want like 5 sheets right now. but im not FE'ing for that. show me prof your a good vender is what im sayin..
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Please don't forget vendors get scammed too. All we see are statistics when you place your order. Buyers know they can hold our feedback hostage and they do. I've been scammed for money and product by buyers with good stats. It goes both ways.
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Please don't forget vendors get scammed too. All we see are statistics when you place your order. Buyers know they can hold our feedback hostage and they do. I've been scammed for money and product by buyers with good stats. It goes both ways.
Agreed. It'd be interesting to see what would happen if each members feedback rating where weighed partially by their own vendor / buyer rating. I'm not saying this would work or should be tried but it'd certainly be interesting to see the results...
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make a buyers club.
purchasing power .
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Yes, It should be like vendors have a rating percentage, so should buyers, I know you can glean this info from there stats, but there should be a league table for the most spent and least refund rate.
I imagine this has been proposed before, though what purpose it would serve is a moot point.
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I believe that would cut out 50-70% of the issues that go to SR resolution....if there was a buyers rating......from a vendors standpoint.....I sure would give better pricing to customers with better buyers rating....and I do that anyway....to my repeat customers......
Yes, It should be like vendors have a rating percentage, so should buyers, I know you can glean this info from there stats, but there should be a league table for the most spent and least refund rate.
I imagine this has been proposed before, though what purpose it would serve is a moot point.
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I support this as well.
With buyer's feedback vendors would know with whom they are making a transaction and could treat customers in the way they deserve. It should be good that if a buyer is trustworthy, respectful etc. this would benefit him/her by better prices and better service; moreover it will highly serve to vendors to shield themselves against unpolite and imbeciles and most of all by scammers.
We as buyers can see who the vendors is so it would be perfectly reasonable to have vendors being able to see who the buyer is. If vendors would be able to discern the possible scammers they would not have to be on the safe side all the time and so they could "open up" themselves a little more. As it is now the only way for a vendor to really be sure it is to have an already established clientele with whom to work with and go in stealth (as many do, btw).
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How about a feedback page for vendors similar to ebay? Not only do you see the feedback, but there is also a chart showing how many pos/neg in 6 months and break it down to the 4 basics. Quality, Shipping, Stealth, and communication. I know many buyers break it down in the feedback just out of respect for other potential buyers.
You all get what I'm saying?
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Some vender's can be assholes. Some buyer's can be asshole's.
I think the system works fine and like all things in life, problems can easily be fixed with good communication.
My regular MDMA vender is dry right now so I needed to go with a new one. I quickly found one with good reviews and he quickly responded to my PMs. On his vender page he was asking newbies to FE and also stated he would only give 50% refund if something happened to the package.
I asked him politely to look at my buyer stats and told him I'd happily order from him if he would give me 100% refund if product didn't arrive (I've never had a product not arrive). He said sure, I said great. Easy as pie.
I ask many questions from vender's before I buy and I never FE. All I need is some strung out vender who's girlfriend just refused him a blowjob to give me a poor rating because I'm asking him question number 4 before placing my $800.00 order.
If it ain't broke don't fix it. There are alot of scammers out there.
EVERBODY BE SAFE AND NEVER FE !!!!!
-Bill Paxton
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^^^^^ +1 ^^^^^
What He said!
Don't be afraid to contact vendors & get a feel of what's going on! Granted some vendors have little time or resources to man the "message center," but if you take the time to read their vendor's page & get an idea of where their coming from, communication can go a long way towards developing a good relationship & they will be more inclined to work with you on the terms that might make you more comfortable.
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Some vender's can be assholes. Some buyer's can be asshole's.
I think the system works fine and like all things in life, problems can easily be fixed with good communication.
My regular MDMA vender is dry right now so I needed to go with a new one. I quickly found one with good reviews and he quickly responded to my PMs. On his vender page he was asking newbies to FE and also stated he would only give 50% refund if something happened to the package.
I asked him politely to look at my buyer stats and told him I'd happily order from him if he would give me 100% refund if product didn't arrive (I've never had a product not arrive). He said sure, I said great. Easy as pie.
I ask many questions from vender's before I buy and I never FE. All I need is some strung out vender who's girlfriend just refused him a blowjob to give me a poor rating because I'm asking him question number 4 before placing my $800.00 order.
If it ain't broke don't fix it. There are alot of scammers out there.
EVERBODY BE SAFE AND NEVER FE !!!!!
-Bill Paxton
Thats what I would always do. When I was new, years ago, I would take the time to have a conversation with each vendor before I purchased, and not only did I usually get them to not demand an FE, and offer a 100% refund, but they would also throw in free samples of their other products.
These days, however, asking for an early finalization taints my perception of a vendor forever more.
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Bump for interest. I'm glad someones have posted about this. +1s
I'm def onboard. This does concern me, though:
Some vender's can be assholes. Some buyer's can be asshole's.
I think the system works fine and like all things in life, problems can easily be fixed with good communication.
I ask many questions from vender's before I buy and I never FE. All I need is some strung out vender who's girlfriend just refused him a blowjob to give me a poor rating because I'm asking him question number 4 before placing my $800.00 order.
If it ain't broke don't fix it. There are alot of scammers out there.
-Bill Paxton
Some vendors become irate and call you a scammer from the first sign of a problem, regardless of perfect stats and over 1 yr otr(triple time spent otr vs said vendor). You ask for a 50% reship, they offer 50% refund instead. Not fair 4 you to take the hit when you've done no wrong. They then change that to a 100% refund immediately after learning that you are anal about your stats, while calling you a scammer the whole time.
"You can just reorder when you get your refund dude but something tells me you do not want to mess up your stats.
SO, since I am getting tired of trying to prove to you I am nothing but a good, honest vendor I am refunding ALL of your money back."
Someone this fos and manipulative deserves access to no one's ratings.
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Please don't forget vendors get scammed too. All we see are statistics when you place your order. Buyers know they can hold our feedback hostage and they do. I've been scammed for money and product by buyers with good stats. It goes both ways.
Established buyers=fewer transactions than established vendors=more impact per rating given.
It does go both ways but iti, i think vendors may have the upper hand. This is from a buyers perspective, though.
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What you've got to realize is that each order you place might not be sent as your new to the vendor they tool hits of no arrivals so they take it out on you the newbie it does work both ways though but more so for the buyers their always taking hits after hit which really does need looking into as a vendor named c63amg fucked me over 2wice in 1 month saying they sent the shit after I FE and on all 4 occasions nothing arrived who took the full force of that me I lost around $750 to c63amg my personal experiences with them was just fucked up so I'll never deal with them again oh by the way when I delt with them scammers c63amg my stats was perfect 0% on everything and I'd spent around $8000 in 4 months and they still fucked me over so it's down to the vendors honesty at the end of the day showing stats don't mean shit it's just a ploy to make you feel better when you FE anyway good discussion m8 to the OP cheers oh and remember steer clear of c63amg their what's called selective scammers ok peace out cheers.
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A buyer rating system would be abused by vendors to extort good ratings for themselves. Buyers on average place fewer orders than vendors receive, so a single bad review for a buyer can kill their stats more than a single bad review for a vendor, so the pressure from extortion threats would be higher for buyers. eBay had a buyer rating system years ago and abandoned it for that reason.
Overall you would see the quality and informativeness of vendor ratings go down.
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Definitely a very useful feature. +1 to you for the idea!
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I agree with this. +1
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A buyer rating system would be abused by vendors to extort good ratings for themselves. Buyers on average place fewer orders than vendors receive, so a single bad review for a buyer can kill their stats more than a single bad review for a vendor, so the pressure from extortion threats would be higher for buyers. eBay had a buyer rating system years ago and abandoned it for that reason.
Overall you would see the quality and informativeness of vendor ratings go down.
Well said!
Perhaps simple rating stats for each buyer would suffice. How many ?/5's they've given, if any vendors have reported them for being awesome or a PITA, etc., but then perhaps that could also be used against us... Hmm...
Mathematical stats don't lie(unless you manipulate them).