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Discussion => Off topic => Topic started by: JezuzWazaMushroom on June 08, 2013, 02:28 pm
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I have noticed Atlantis has quite a few good features I would like to see SR implement such as Litecoin capability as well as auto-encryption and a bit more colorful and attractive looking layout etc, among a few other bits and pieces they have that are really quite good innovations I feel are almost essential that we should have on Silk Road for buyer/vendor protection and an all round more pleasant shopping experience. ???
Am I alone in this sentiment or do others agree? :-\
- JWM :)
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Honestly I prefer SR's layout to either BMR's or Atlantis'... It's the simplest and most intuitive. Altantis has a nicer looking layout but how products are displayed is a little annoying. I don't care much for the LTC either, and auto-encryption isn't that good either because you can't really know if they don't save your address before encrypting it.
Atlantis is a little more annoying IMO, having to put your country and only seeing the shipping prices that apply to you and things like that is kind of annoying. SR's layout could be improved though, I agree with you about that! But I don't like how products are displayed on Atlantis. Their forums look a bit nicer though.
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Maybe there could be a section of the forum where people suggest ideas like this!!!!!!!!
Oh wait.
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The thing where it stays up all the time?
Modzi
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Litecoin would be nice...
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I think many of the darknet sites have something that might be a little bit better, but Silk Road has continuity and I'm afraid that some other sites do tend to have more scammer vendors.
I do go on a few stealth clearnet sites were vendors can sell to established customer bases using anything from Amazon to Ebay and any site that actually allows people to trade!
I would never buy off a stranger online but with escrow it makes it all so safer.
One thing SR should be applauded for is helping to reduce the danger for women of buying drugs in the street, homes or pubs.
The media articles never point that out. And many journalists use drugs anyway so its hypocritical to criticise SR.
I have heard of litecoin but not sure if thats an American idea. Bitcoins are good enough but it is difficult to get hold of them in the UK sometimes. I'm lucky that I know someone who sells them otherwise I guess it would be local bitcoin exchanges, meeting up in some free wi-fi public place.
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Litecoin integration would be nice. for you who have never tried litecoin, the confirmations are WAY faster, im talking 10 confirmations within 10-15 minutes.
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Another reason why litecoin would be good is because it would allow users to further obscure their deposits/withdraws by exchanging between the two.
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Yes.
Sort items by price.
Feedback for buyers.
Can't change feedback score after you have already set it.
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Sort items by price, size, $/gram (have an input for # of grams of course)
Disagree with unchanging feedback score though. FE scams would be easier for vendors and harder for buyers to figure out. I know everyone says FE FU ect. but people still FE regardless, even when vendors dont ask them.
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Sort items by price, size, $/gram (have an input for # of grams of course)
Disagree with unchanging feedback score though. FE scams would be easier for vendors and harder for buyers to figure out. I know everyone says FE FU ect. but people still FE regardless, even when vendors dont ask them.
I guess that you are unaware that you don't have to leave a score when you FE. You also must not be aware that you are not supposed to finalize early so that is your fault 100% of the time. The instructions and rules of Silk Road tell you to only finalize once you receive your product and you are agreeing that the deal is done. But as I said before, you do not have to leave a feedback score when you explicitly break the rules and finalize early.
You are also OBVIOUSLY not a vendor. ::) We have to put up with bitches that like to try to extort us. They threaten to change all of their feedback scores to 1/5 if we do not give them free product or bitcoins.
It appears that you have a lot to learn about Silk Road my friend.
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Sort items by price, size, $/gram (have an input for # of grams of course)
Disagree with unchanging feedback score though. FE scams would be easier for vendors and harder for buyers to figure out. I know everyone says FE FU ect. but people still FE regardless, even when vendors dont ask them.
@jacknhoff... ytabletrash never said he FE,d early he just said some people do ;)
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Atlantis Has a nice look and feel to it.. I dont think SR however should be anything like Atlantis,
I think it does need a new Layout, But something 5 steps up beyond atlantis, add litecoins,
I do not agree with the AUTO Encryption at all, that the one member said.. If i bought from Atlantis I would use my own PGP not their auto at ALL.. I dont think thats a good idea..
To be honest I actually do like the way atlantis looks more than SR in a way.. But hands down, sr is my 1st love..
BMR IS PATHETIC AND SO IS SHEEPMARKET AND THAT NEW MARKETPLACE,, BMR NEEDS A COMPLETE MAKEOVER, to me it just feels to bunched together, things r to small etc..
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I do not agree with the AUTO Encryption at all, that the one member said.. If i bought from Atlantis I would use my own PGP not their auto at ALL.. I dont think thats a good idea..
I agree with it. You can use it AND your own encryption. Maybe 30% of the members here use encryption so auto encrytpion would be better than no encryption. DPR can already see the shipping address of the 70% of the members who do not use PGP encryption here so auto encryption definitely would be better.
No one is stopping you from using BOTH pal.
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One thing SR should be applauded for is helping to reduce the danger for women of buying drugs in the street, homes or pubs.
Brilliant point, thank you for bringing this up. I've never really thought about it from that angle. +1
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one thing i would like is to see the SR 4 day time limit to be removed after making an order. One time I made an order and soon discovered things were fishy on atlantis and i was so thankful i could bail out of the order right away without it being processed and sent.
I know the 4 day limit is there on SR so you dont chicken out of your order, but really if you make an order i think its beter to be able to cancel it imediately while in porocessing if you discover 5 minutes later something is not right. who wants to give a scammer 4 days to scam the crap out of you when really you should be able to save your ass right away.
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one thing i would like is to see the SR 4 day time limit to be removed after making an order. One time I made an order and soon discovered things were fishy on atlantis and i was so thankful i could bail out of the order right away without it being processed and sent.
I know the 4 day limit is there on SR so you dont chicken out of your order, but really if you make an order i think its beter to be able to cancel it imediately while in porocessing if you discover 5 minutes later something is not right. who wants to give a scammer 4 days to scam the crap out of you when really you should be able to save your ass right away.
What happens when I spend 20 minutes packaging your order and print postage that I have paid for or apply postage that I have paid for to your package? I'm supposed to eat those costs because you changed your mind? I don't think so my friend.
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one thing i would like is to see the SR 4 day time limit to be removed after making an order. One time I made an order and soon discovered things were fishy on atlantis and i was so thankful i could bail out of the order right away without it being processed and sent.
I know the 4 day limit is there on SR so you dont chicken out of your order, but really if you make an order i think its beter to be able to cancel it imediately while in porocessing if you discover 5 minutes later something is not right. who wants to give a scammer 4 days to scam the crap out of you when really you should be able to save your ass right away.
What happens when I spend 20 minutes packaging your order and print postage that I have paid for or apply postage that I have paid for to your package? I'm supposed to eat those costs because you changed your mind? I don't think so my friend.
+1
Remember, REAL vendors don't mark your order in transit till they actually send it. Processing means exactly that as Jack N Hoff described.
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I think DPR will get to those things asap!!!
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one thing i would like is to see the SR 4 day time limit to be removed after making an order. One time I made an order and soon discovered things were fishy on atlantis and i was so thankful i could bail out of the order right away without it being processed and sent.
I know the 4 day limit is there on SR so you dont chicken out of your order, but really if you make an order i think its beter to be able to cancel it imediately while in porocessing if you discover 5 minutes later something is not right. who wants to give a scammer 4 days to scam the crap out of you when really you should be able to save your ass right away.
What happens when I spend 20 minutes packaging your order and print postage that I have paid for or apply postage that I have paid for to your package? I'm supposed to eat those costs because you changed your mind? I don't think so my friend.
what if you make the order and decide to bail out and cancel the order 5 minutes after you placed it because something you discovered doesnt feel right. an example is the going postal/marijuanaismymuse shit.. why should i wait 4 days to cancel it out if i suspect something fishy is going on and have you mark it in transit within 2 days?
i dont change my mind unless i discover something fishy like marijuanaismymuse's reply about goingpostal which sounded totally contradictory in every sentence.
I was thankful i could pull out of the goingpostal order ASAP after i read marijuanaismymuse's criptical nonsensical message.
I know what you are saying about the packaging though, it would be an outright hassle to have to have an order cancelled. I can see both sides of the coin. Id rather be bkocklisted by the vendor for cancelling an order rather than get scammed.
I havent been scammed yet for what its worth.. and im not talking about the people that would abuse it such as "oh found another better vendor 2 days now so i'll cancel the other one"... im talking "serious business this is bad news, very bad news i clicked that button". Id even like to see a way all the PGP/messaging could be erased along with the order..
what if something goofed up and i put the order in and the guy processes the order but something was up with the adrdess and the guy doesnt read the messages (eg. marijuana is mymuse didnt know i cancelled my order after it was not processed after 7 days.. he messaged me and im like "that order was cancelled a week ago" and it allways stemmed from weird ass PGP keys that were on his page as instructed but somehow i must have had to use the pgp key from goingpostal's.. this is not stated on MIMM's profile page at all.. and how the fuck a newbie or seasoned vetran gonna mix up pgp's like that?
regardless of what gets implemented.. there has to be discussions on various solutions and not one way fits all. i know the 4 day wait helps the vendors sanity though but it would be good to have an emergency provision if it could be added, somehow. espcially with all the "im posting your details" threats coming from vendors coming out now on the forums
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one thing i would like is to see the SR 4 day time limit to be removed after making an order. One time I made an order and soon discovered things were fishy on atlantis and i was so thankful i could bail out of the order right away without it being processed and sent.
I know the 4 day limit is there on SR so you dont chicken out of your order, but really if you make an order i think its beter to be able to cancel it imediately while in porocessing if you discover 5 minutes later something is not right. who wants to give a scammer 4 days to scam the crap out of you when really you should be able to save your ass right away.
What happens when I spend 20 minutes packaging your order and print postage that I have paid for or apply postage that I have paid for to your package? I'm supposed to eat those costs because you changed your mind? I don't think so my friend.
what if you make the order and decide to bail out and cancel the order 5 minutes after you placed it because something you discovered doesnt feel right. an example is the going postal/marijuanaismymuse shit.. why should i wait 4 days to cancel it out if i suspect something fishy is going on and have you mark it in transit within 2 days?
i dont change my mind unless i discover something fishy like marijuanaismymuse's reply about goingpostal which sounded totally contradictory in every sentence.
I was thankful i could pull out of the goingpostal order ASAP after i read marijuanaismymuse's criptical nonsensical message.
I know what you are saying about the packaging though, it would be an outright hassle to have to have an order cancelled. I can see both sides of the coin. Id rather be bkocklisted by the vendor for cancelling an order rather than get scammed.
I havent been scammed yet for what its worth.. and im not talking about the people that would abuse it such as "oh found another better vendor 2 days now so i'll cancel the other one"... im talking "serious business this is bad news, very bad news i clicked that button"
An intelligent user researches before they place an order, not a few minutes after they place an order.
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one thing i would like is to see the SR 4 day time limit to be removed after making an order. One time I made an order and soon discovered things were fishy on atlantis and i was so thankful i could bail out of the order right away without it being processed and sent.
I know the 4 day limit is there on SR so you dont chicken out of your order, but really if you make an order i think its beter to be able to cancel it imediately while in porocessing if you discover 5 minutes later something is not right. who wants to give a scammer 4 days to scam the crap out of you when really you should be able to save your ass right away.
What happens when I spend 20 minutes packaging your order and print postage that I have paid for or apply postage that I have paid for to your package? I'm supposed to eat those costs because you changed your mind? I don't think so my friend.
what if you make the order and decide to bail out and cancel the order 5 minutes after you placed it because something you discovered doesnt feel right. an example is the going postal/marijuanaismymuse shit.. why should i wait 4 days to cancel it out if i suspect something fishy is going on and have you mark it in transit within 2 days?
i dont change my mind unless i discover something fishy like marijuanaismymuse's reply about goingpostal which sounded totally contradictory in every sentence.
I was thankful i could pull out of the goingpostal order ASAP after i read marijuanaismymuse's criptical nonsensical message.
I know what you are saying about the packaging though, it would be an outright hassle to have to have an order cancelled. I can see both sides of the coin. Id rather be bkocklisted by the vendor for cancelling an order rather than get scammed.
I havent been scammed yet for what its worth.. and im not talking about the people that would abuse it such as "oh found another better vendor 2 days now so i'll cancel the other one"... im talking "serious business this is bad news, very bad news i clicked that button"
An intelligent user researches before they place an order, not a few minutes after they place an order.
durrrr.. i totwally knew you were gong to write that.. it mkaes my facepalm on your behalf. It was such a predicable response. well durr I do alot of research before i make an order
You just dont get it from a buyers side when an emergency might pop up. whe are not talking lazy buyers changing minds for cheaper prices.. we are talking a whole range of emergencies that might require an immediate halt on a processing order. just totally knew you were going to say "research!".. yeah well buddy. you get this. sometimes things pop up quicker than you expect right after you hit the order..
you can say it as much as you like "reasearch! wakeup" read up on building 7" whatever you goose. I never been scammed yet.. but THAT time i was lucky to get some nonesensical bullshit from MiMM afterwards. Ive never bailed out of an order except for the altlantius to which i gave the mods a big thankyou, and then i read some crazy fucken goofball MiMM crap that sems to treat GP as a threat one minute, a partner the next and then a frankmathews cocksucker the last line", and not every-time a vendor is sqeaky clean do they stay so.
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one thing i would like is to see the SR 4 day time limit to be removed after making an order. One time I made an order and soon discovered things were fishy on atlantis and i was so thankful i could bail out of the order right away without it being processed and sent.
I know the 4 day limit is there on SR so you dont chicken out of your order, but really if you make an order i think its beter to be able to cancel it imediately while in porocessing if you discover 5 minutes later something is not right. who wants to give a scammer 4 days to scam the crap out of you when really you should be able to save your ass right away.
What happens when I spend 20 minutes packaging your order and print postage that I have paid for or apply postage that I have paid for to your package? I'm supposed to eat those costs because you changed your mind? I don't think so my friend.
what if you make the order and decide to bail out and cancel the order 5 minutes after you placed it because something you discovered doesnt feel right. an example is the going postal/marijuanaismymuse shit.. why should i wait 4 days to cancel it out if i suspect something fishy is going on and have you mark it in transit within 2 days?
i dont change my mind unless i discover something fishy like marijuanaismymuse's reply about goingpostal which sounded totally contradictory in every sentence.
I was thankful i could pull out of the goingpostal order ASAP after i read marijuanaismymuse's criptical nonsensical message.
I know what you are saying about the packaging though, it would be an outright hassle to have to have an order cancelled. I can see both sides of the coin. Id rather be bkocklisted by the vendor for cancelling an order rather than get scammed.
I havent been scammed yet for what its worth.. and im not talking about the people that would abuse it such as "oh found another better vendor 2 days now so i'll cancel the other one"... im talking "serious business this is bad news, very bad news i clicked that button"
An intelligent user researches before they place an order, not a few minutes after they place an order.
durrrr.. i totwally knew you were gong to write that.. it mkaes my facepalm on your behalf. It was such a predicable response. well durr I do alot of research before i make an order
You just dont get it from a buyers side when an emergency might pop up. whe are not talking lazy buyers changing minds for cheaper prices.. we are talking a whole range of emergencies that might require an immediate halt on a processing order. just totally knew you were going to say "research!".. yeah well buddy. you get this. sometimes things pop up quicker than you expect right after you hit the order..
you can say it as much as you like "reasearch! wakeup" read up on building 7" whatever you goose. I never been scammed yet.. but THAT time i was lucky to get some nonesensical bullshit from MiMM afterwards. Ive never bailed out of an order except for the altlantius to which i gave the mods a big thankyou, and then i read some crazy fucken goofball MiMM crap that sems to treat GP as a threat one minute, a partner the next and then a frankmathews cocksucker the last line", and not every-time a vendor is sqeaky clean do they stay so.
You can always message a vendor and ask them to cancel. I've done it for my customers. Sometimes even if it means losing out on postage costs that I have already applied. I'm pretty reasonable but allowing my customers to just press cancel five minutes after ordering? :o Then I wouldn't have vendor accounts on here. I would just continue to sell through email.
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The only thing I would like to see implemented is more options to sort product by. Seems fairly easy to me.
BruzzCuzz, there is no excuse to cancel your order 5 minutes after you placed it. Those messages you read weren't there 5 minutes earlier? There is no fucking excuse. Double check your address. Still not sure you did it right? Delete that shit and encrypt it again. If something happens with the vendor then SR Admins are there to help you. The only result to being able to cancel orders is a ton of dumbasses canceling orders, which leads to A:Wasted time/money for vendors. B:All Vendors marking in transit as soon as possible, which is bad because that means your address is just sitting around somewhere.
Coming from a fellow buyer that has wanted to cancel before 4 days when BTC crashed and the vendor disappeared. But hey, bad luck and I got my money back after 4 days.
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I think many of the darknet sites have something that might be a little bit better, but Silk Road has continuity and I'm afraid that some other sites do tend to have more scammer vendors.
I do go on a few stealth clearnet sites were vendors can sell to established customer bases using anything from Amazon to Ebay and any site that actually allows people to trade!
I would never buy off a stranger online but with escrow it makes it all so safer.
One thing SR should be applauded for is helping to reduce the danger for women of buying drugs in the street, homes or pubs.
The media articles never point that out. And many journalists use drugs anyway so its hypocritical to criticise SR.
I have heard of litecoin but not sure if thats an American idea. Bitcoins are good enough but it is difficult to get hold of them in the UK sometimes. I'm lucky that I know someone who sells them otherwise I guess it would be local bitcoin exchanges, meeting up in some free wi-fi public place.
Their autoencryption is legit I can vouch for that!
Atlantis is equally safe for women buying drugs.
Litecoins are basically Bitcoins but based on scrypt but with much faster confirmations and instead of having 21million will have 81million and are based on a newer tech called scrypt where as BTC's based on SHA1
Atlantis is VERY strict about stamping out scammers I can also vouch for that and they have a very well moderated, if rather small, forum section.
I think the speed and layout of Atlantis is actually better than Silk Road for vendors and customers alike with the autoencryption and should at least be an option because the vendor chooses to activate it or not, and it saves people who aren't that tech savvy from leaving their details open on the server.
I also like the speed and colour as I would like to see Silk Road implement Litecoins also because I own a lot and it would make them more well recognised and mine worth more heehehe, but seriously the stability of Litecoin over Bitcoin is also a plus factor and I previously said the confirmation speed since it takes ten minutes for each block to confirm on BTC but 2.5 for LTC and if they can implement it I don't know for the life of me why DPR can't put it here also.
I'm not saying they should be carbon copies but basically Amazon and eBay are and Amazon is worth more now than eBay because they chose to implement extra things than eBay have and just keeping it real Silk Road IMO looks somewhat outdated when compared to Atlantis and many vendors there believe it's much better all round and personally as a consumer I like the fact it has cheaper commissions also that allow vendors to list for less because it's us the consumer who pays that extra commission price and if I were DPR I would match any of their operation just like any other business does lest Silk Road eventually become the MySpace to Atlantis's Facebook through lack of innovation.
Since I'm not biased against either eBay or Amazon I don't feel the necessity to be biased between these two sites either and DPR's happy to have them around he even stated so himself and wished them all the best and there is no animosity between the heads of both sites but yet there is when it comes to the forums, or mostly I should say buyers. I don't have one favorite over another like DPR said I wish Atlantis all the best but I will say this FUCK BMR... SERIOUSLY FUCK THEM WITH A BASEBALL BAT, and I think competition is healthy for both the consumer and the businesses themselves because it's that same innovation that keeps Microsoft and Apple constantly improving and changing, or BMW and Mercedes, and people think "I'm loyal to SR because they were first and DPR's a hero, when although deserves a large amount of credit for being so diligent in keeping the site up and running (most of the time) people must remember it is also a business too and he gets paid EXTREMELY well by us the consumers and I think if we demand he match Atlantis on the commission fees at least it would only be just for we the consumer. If people are loyal to Silk Road because they believe it is the first of it's kind this is not true and the concept was pioneered by The Farmers Market but they didn't have Bitcoin at the time that was what led to their undoing and had they had that, we would all most likely be on a Farmers Market forum right now as opposed to Silk Road so one must bear that in mind too when showing zombie drone like worshipping syndrom because I'm sure even DPR wouldn't want people worshipping him the way many people do but appreciation's a different thing and that gets shown through buyers paying the commission fees more so than it does through comments on the forums.
Don't take this as being an Atlantis shill I'm just musing because I have used the site and found things there that I really thought were very innovative and great to use and the fact that vendors can also leave comments for the buyers is also another great concept I like too and I just think that DPR should upgrade the look of the site and a few different bits and pieces to keep up with them because they are quite good in many ways and I would really like to see the autoencryption thing implemented I think it should be a staple, also LTC because of it's stability and speed and it's the silver to BTC's gold IMO.
My $0.02!
- JWM
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I would think the most useful things for site users would be Buyer Feedback, restrictions on FE to verified sellers and the lockdown on malicious changing of feedback.
But I also imagine that each and every change DPR makes to SR needs to be thought about from every possible security angle and if I ran the site I wouldn't be jumping into anything in any hurry. Is this new change leaking a little bit more information about the user to outsiders? Can this change jeopardise site security in any way? Can it be abused? I think it would give you a headache trying to think of all possibilities. :)
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Their autoencryption is legit I can vouch for that!
And that's the problem. In order for their web app to encrypt your address, the plaintext must be passed to some JavaScript variable. They promise to encrypt in your browser, but they could modify the code at any time to send the plaintext address to their servers, for example if they were identified, raided and agreed to work with LE, or if LE gained access to the server without the knowledge of the admins. It's a system that works as long as they aren't compromised, and fails when they are, making it useless. You might as well post your plaintext address.
The point of encrypting your address is so LE doesn't get it in the event that the admins or server are compromised. The only way to ensure that doesn't happen is to encrypt it yourself and only paste encrypted PGP blocks into the browser.
BTW, one feature that SR has which I'd like to see on Atlantis is thousands of people making reviews. Seriously, how do you know what to buy with no reviews on most of the products? That's not a problem that a smart coder can solve.
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I would think the most useful things for site users would be Buyer Feedback, restrictions on FE to verified sellers and the lockdown on malicious changing of feedback.
But I also imagine that each and every change DPR makes to SR needs to be thought about from every possible security angle and if I ran the site I wouldn't be jumping into anything in any hurry. Is this new change leaking a little bit more information about the user to outsiders? Can this change jeopardise site security in any way? Can it be abused? I think it would give you a headache trying to think of all possibilities. :)
I do not think Litecoin or automatic PGP are any way security concerns and as I said, if they can do it DPR and the SR team surely can!
- JWM