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Discussion => Off topic => Topic started by: Jack N Hoff on May 24, 2013, 04:04 pm
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Epipactis helleborine (L.) Crantz nectar has been found to contain the strongest naturally occurring opiate found in nature, oxycodone. Wasps tend to drink the nectar and crash down to the ground lol. Google it!
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Have you ever seen those videos of animals eating rotting fruit and getting drunk?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5E5TjkDvU0
It's possible that all sentient creatures (though I don't know to what extent wasps are sentient) like getting fucked up.
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Have you ever seen those videos of animals eating rotting fruit and getting drunk?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5E5TjkDvU0
It's possible that all sentient creatures (though I don't know to what extent wasps are sentient) like getting fucked up.
Haha! I've watched those little monkeys doing that and stealing drinks from tourists. :D
I sure don't want to see a pissed off wasp in need of a fix.
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parrots get drunk off eucalypt & wattle trees in aus, nectar ferments in the stomach & they end up playing the fools, hanging & swinging upside-down, falling out of the tree completely sometimes, it's funny to watch :)
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Just goes to show all animals and mammals love to get fucked up!
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Not to say your wrong and certainly not trying to pick a fight, but Oxycodone is a man made chemical that does not occur naturally. It does take a specific chemical from a particular plant for synthesis. But perhaps that wasps have the ability to change this chem from the orchid into something that gives the affects of a high powered opiate.? :o
I've been a WASP all my life! haha ;)
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Gotta find me them flowers 8)
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Not to say your wrong and certainly not trying to pick a fight, but Oxycodone is a man made chemical that does not occur naturally. It does take a specific chemical from a particular plant for synthesis. But perhaps that wasps have the ability to change this chem from the orchid into something that gives the affects of a high powered opiate.? :o
I've been a WASP all my life! haha ;)
It actually does occur naturally in nature and of course it can be made in a lab too.
www.ecology.kee.hu/pdf/0302_029038.pdf
The chemical composition of Epipactis helleborine (L.) Crantz nectar was studied by means of GC/MS SIM. A number of compounds with potential narcotic properties were identified in the nectar, namely 3-{2-{3-{3-(benzyloxy)propyl}-3-indol, 7,8-didehydro- 4,5-epoxy-3,6-d-morphinan and oxycodone.
Epipactis helleborine (L.) Crantz comes from Europe and is common in parts of America.
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Sounds familiar.
In Australia we have 'Drop Bears' which are a subspecies of the normal Koala (Phascolarctos cinereus).
The Drop Bears are usually placid, however upon ingestion of the Australian Tea Tree, they can't reduce the inherent poison in the Tea Tree (Melaleuca alternifolia)** as efficiently as normal Wattle Trees and thus become highly agitated and outwardly aggressive.
These Drop Bears then physically attack any passer underneath them....dogs, kangaroos, humans. They can inflict very nasty damage. Many unsuspecting tourists receive horrible facial wounds every year here. The weird thing is that the drop bear has a certain bacteria (related to the Indonesian Komono Dragon's saliva: E. coli, Staphylococcus sp., Providencia sp., Proteus morgani',' and P. mirabilis) which prevents healing and can, in rare circumstances, result in death within a few days to a week.
Now you know why we Australians keep well away from our forests...and obviously, not something we promote in our tourist brochures.
So if you ever venture Down Under be damn careful of these nasty creatures...and keep well away from the forests!
**According to the American Cancer Society: "Tea tree oil is toxic when swallowed. It has been reported to cause drowsiness, confusion, hallucinations, coma, unsteadiness, weakness, vomiting, diarrhea, stomach upset, blood cell abnormalities, and severe rashes. It should be kept away from pets and children."[22]
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They should give those bears some chronic.
Ever tried hanging from a tree after eating tea tree leaves? Ever tried it on weed, man?
And to think in high school biology they taught us that ants are the only animals which willfully become intoxicated. Bullocks!
Next step: acquire knowledge on how to extract oxycodone from orchids... without wasps.
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Sounds familiar.
In Australia we have 'Drop Bears' which are a subspecies of the normal Koala (Phascolarctos cinereus).
The Drop Bears are usually placid, however upon ingestion of the Australian Tea Tree, they can't reduce the inherent poison in the Tea Tree (Melaleuca alternifolia)** as efficiently as normal Wattle Trees and thus become highly agitated and outwardly aggressive.
These Drop Bears then physically attack any passer underneath them....dogs, kangaroos, humans. They can inflict very nasty damage. Many unsuspecting tourists receive horrible facial wounds every year here. The weird thing is that the drop bear has a certain bacteria (related to the Indonesian Komono Dragon's saliva: E. coli, Staphylococcus sp., Providencia sp., Proteus morgani',' and P. mirabilis) which prevents healing and can, in rare circumstances, result in death within a few days to a week.
Now you know why we Australians keep well away from our forests...and obviously, not something we promote in our tourist brochures.
So if you ever venture Down Under be damn careful of these nasty creatures...and keep well away from the forests!
**According to the American Cancer Society: "Tea tree oil is toxic when swallowed. It has been reported to cause drowsiness, confusion, hallucinations, coma, unsteadiness, weakness, vomiting, diarrhea, stomach upset, blood cell abnormalities, and severe rashes. It should be kept away from pets and children."[22]
Let's be honest, they don't put the truth in tourist brochures that most wildlife in Australia tries to kill you one way or another. :) I'm always in awe at how the aboriginals managed to survive.
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WTF?!?!?!
Living things think they can go around and ingesting things found in nature and altering their state of mind, who the FUCK do they think they are...i am calling the cops that'll show 'em.
Attention LEO: I heard animals are doing drugs, i will not stand for this go arrest them, they are not above the law!
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^^^true^^^ They dont have to deal with police wasps locking them up
in a Venus fly trap confiscating all of the orchid sap!
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Not to say your wrong and certainly not trying to pick a fight, but Oxycodone is a man made chemical that does not occur naturally. It does take a specific chemical from a particular plant for synthesis. But perhaps that wasps have the ability to change this chem from the orchid into something that gives the affects of a high powered opiate.? :o
I've been a WASP all my life! haha ;)
It actually does occur naturally in nature and of course it can be made in a lab too.
www.ecology.kee.hu/pdf/0302_029038.pdf
The chemical composition of Epipactis helleborine (L.) Crantz nectar was studied by means of GC/MS SIM. A number of compounds with potential narcotic properties were identified in the nectar, namely 3-{2-{3-{3-(benzyloxy)propyl}-3-indol, 7,8-didehydro- 4,5-epoxy-3,6-d-morphinan and oxycodone.
Epipactis helleborine (L.) Crantz comes from Europe and is common in parts of America.
Having a little Chemistry back ground, and not to be technical but just because compounds are similar does not make them the same.
IE; margarine is one molecule away from plastic but is certainly not plastic. :o
I doubt very much if this nectar would do anything for humans.. :) But I've never tried. ;)
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Not to say your wrong and certainly not trying to pick a fight, but Oxycodone is a man made chemical that does not occur naturally. It does take a specific chemical from a particular plant for synthesis. But perhaps that wasps have the ability to change this chem from the orchid into something that gives the affects of a high powered opiate.? :o
I've been a WASP all my life! haha ;)
It actually does occur naturally in nature and of course it can be made in a lab too.
www.ecology.kee.hu/pdf/0302_029038.pdf
The chemical composition of Epipactis helleborine (L.) Crantz nectar was studied by means of GC/MS SIM. A number of compounds with potential narcotic properties were identified in the nectar, namely 3-{2-{3-{3-(benzyloxy)propyl}-3-indol, 7,8-didehydro- 4,5-epoxy-3,6-d-morphinan and oxycodone.
Epipactis helleborine (L.) Crantz comes from Europe and is common in parts of America.
Having a little Chemistry back ground, and not to be technical but just because compounds are similar does not make them the same.
IE; margarine is one molecule away from plastic but is certainly not plastic. :o
I doubt very much if this nectar would do anything for humans.. :) But I've never tried. ;)
I know that about margarine but the nectar contains plain old oxycodone man. You didn't even read what I posted. It contains oxycodone and 3-{2-{3-{3-(benzyloxy)propyl}-3-indol, 7,8-didehydro- 4,5-epoxy-3,6-d-morphina. I don't know how much but I know it's enough to make wasps fall to the ground after drinking from the orchids lol.
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@ Jack, Yes I did read every bit of this thread and that would include your posts. ;)
What is the chemical compound for oxycodone? :)
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@ Jack, Yes I did read every bit of this thread and that would include your posts. ;)
What is the chemical compound for oxycodone? :)
4, 5a-epoxy-14-hydroxy-3-methoxy-17-methylmorphinan-6-one hydrochloride. That proves nothing though...
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The paper cites 10 university institutes and they tested the nectar from several orchids using gas chromatography mass spectrometry so there isn't really anything to argue about... They also contain ethanol lol.
They also put the nectar in capillary tubes near the orchids to see if the nectar attracted the insects and yes it did. It seems like those pollinators and vectors like getting fucked up.
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@ Jack, Yes I did read every bit of this thread and that would include your posts. ;)
What is the chemical compound for oxycodone? :)
4, 5a-epoxy-14-hydroxy-3-methoxy-17-methylmorphinan-6-one hydrochloride. That proves nothing though...
Actually this proves everything! Similar, but there are major compounds and bonds that are missing and so different it is not actually oxycodone.
Listen, this is not to prove your wrong and I'm right, though this is the case here. I am trying to save some poor dumb bastard that thinks if they just get this orchid and drink the nectar they will get a buzz like that of oxycodone. More than likely they will destroy their renal system and possible go blind, if they don't just die from toxicity. But there again is the thinning of the heard, eh? ;)
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@ Jack, Yes I did read every bit of this thread and that would include your posts. ;)
What is the chemical compound for oxycodone? :)
4, 5a-epoxy-14-hydroxy-3-methoxy-17-methylmorphinan-6-one hydrochloride. That proves nothing though...
Actually this proves everything! Similar, but there are major compounds and bonds that are missing and so different it is not actually oxycodone.
Listen, this is not to prove your wrong and I'm right, though this is the case here. I am trying to save some poor dumb bastard that thinks if they just get this orchid and drink the nectar they will get a buzz like that of oxycodone. More than likely they will destroy their renal system and possible go blind, if they don't just die from toxicity. But there again is the thinning of the heard, eh? ;)
How does the chemical compound that I got from a google search prove anything to do with this paper published by a respected institute? They worked on this for years. You would see that if you read the paper. ::)
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@ Jack, Yes I did read every bit of this thread and that would include your posts. ;)
What is the chemical compound for oxycodone? :)
4, 5a-epoxy-14-hydroxy-3-methoxy-17-methylmorphinan-6-one hydrochloride. That proves nothing though...
Actually this proves everything! Similar, but there are major compounds and bonds that are missing and so different it is not actually oxycodone.
Listen, this is not to prove your wrong and I'm right, though this is the case here. I am trying to save some poor dumb bastard that thinks if they just get this orchid and drink the nectar they will get a buzz like that of oxycodone. More than likely they will destroy their renal system and possible go blind, if they don't just die from toxicity. But there again is the thinning of the heard, eh? ;)
How does the chemical compound that I got from a google search prove anything to do with this paper published by a respected institute? They worked on this for years. You would see that if you read the paper. ::)
OK, I will agree to disagree with you, but only because I do enjoy reading most all of your posts. I do however have concern for those that lead people to the fore gone conclusion that if you read a paper or have partial information on a subject you can make statements that are fundamentally WRONG!
Basic Chemistry, when you change the bonds between molecules you are changing the outcome of said compound, regardless how similar that compound may look or act(keyword here) as another, it is still a completely different compound due to the bonding. Thus it will react differently.
In this case there is much more different than just bonding. :o
So regardless of what some paper says and how many years of research these so called scientists have they are merely publishing a paper on a very hot topic to pad their resume for future endeavors on someone else dime. :)