Silk Road forums

Discussion => Silk Road discussion => Topic started by: gtrmonkey on April 30, 2013, 08:20 am

Title: Alright Time for some changes, who thinks SR needs to go to invite only
Post by: gtrmonkey on April 30, 2013, 08:20 am
Due to all the noobs, and the explosion growth of SR. I think aswell as a couple other member. SR should go to invite only.
Some guide lines I thought of.
 Invites should be give by purchase stats, and activity, The reddit, needs to go. Invites screening process should be on a tor like irc, tested on dosage knowledge, PGP, and should be given sparingly. Invite screening should cost amount of btc. This would make sure that the new member understand how to get btc, how to use pgp, and is not going to over dosage and die. All noob friendly tuts need to be locked down and removed. Sorry guys, we need smart people here that are technology inclined.  We need people that learn by research, not by getting there handheld. This is just fine tuning this machine. Cutting out the fat.

This will cut out the dumb questions. Training Session is over, people need to learn and research themselves.

Fewer Scammers, This will make the Feedback for vendors more legit, and cut down I on vendor bluffing I.e making new accounts and buying drugs from your vendor account make it seem like you have good feedback.

Safer for everyone. Obviously makes it hard for L.E to see whats going on.

Cons:
Fewer buyers( but really S.R vendors are making a profit still and still selling out)


If you can think of anything else to this disscusion, that would be great, talk about the pros and cons on invite only.

Mods a poll would be great if you could add one also
Title: Re: Alright Time for some changes, who thinks SR needs to go to invite only
Post by: flwrchlds9 on April 30, 2013, 08:49 am
The Reddit, the public news stories, the youtube instructional videos all need to go. Underground should be more UNDERground. Only our opinion :)

good to block onion.to and tor2web proxy if possible.

Invite only too much, noobs not the problem and good for business.

Maybe need SR2, SRPro where person need $3000 to transfer in at first to open account. Not as fee or bond, to show you serious and have the $ and can do bulk business.

Only ideas  ???

.
Title: Re: Alright Time for some changes, who thinks SR needs to go to invite only
Post by: Sensei on April 30, 2013, 08:58 am
Something needs to be done that's for sure. I want the vendors to get as much as they can but I just can't help but think if there wasn't so much attention things would be going much smoother right now or in other words no dos attack for days. Sorry I don't have much to input beyond my support for something to be done. I don't know about invite only because I'm sure if that was implemented before I joined I probably would never have been able to register yet I still have sense enough not to tell anyone online or offline or bring any unwanted attention or a introduce it to a person that would basically be a disaster waiting to happen. Basically a responsible user. I believe if anyone wants something bad enough they'll find a way so no need to blab about it.
Title: Re: Alright Time for some changes, who thinks SR needs to go to invite only
Post by: Delta11 on April 30, 2013, 10:58 am
The more people that go on SR the more anonymous we become  ;)
Title: Re: Alright Time for some changes, who thinks SR needs to go to invite only
Post by: Limetless on April 30, 2013, 11:00 am
Lol invite only now the OP has got his feet wet here? Same shit different day.
Title: Re: Alright Time for some changes, who thinks SR needs to go to invite only
Post by: dbelle on April 30, 2013, 11:17 am
Throughout this whole incident I believe the OPs idea is the stupidest idea I have heard.

Its completely opposite to the whole idea of the road in the first place!
Title: Re: Alright Time for some changes, who thinks SR needs to go to invite only
Post by: enigmachase82 on April 30, 2013, 11:45 am
 >:(
we were all n00bs at some point, try to remember that
Title: Re: Alright Time for some changes, who thinks SR needs to go to invite only
Post by: danknugsdun on April 30, 2013, 11:49 am
Invite only wouldn't create anything more positive for SR. This is what would happen....

Scammers could invite themselves to new accounts (less amount of buyers/same amount of scammers means higher prices)
DPR would earn less money (therefore he will need to put his commission up)
Vendors would have less customer base (therefore prices will need to go up)
Less new vendors would appear (less new products on the market)

All this means is that the price of product will go up and then buyers will go elsewhere.
Title: Re: Alright Time for some changes, who thinks SR needs to go to invite only
Post by: MailMaxDev on April 30, 2013, 11:57 am
There's something funny about having to answer drug dosage questions to qualify for Silk Road but I can't put my finger on it. Anyways, that's a dumb idea and OP wouldn't make the screening process.
Title: Re: Alright Time for some changes, who thinks SR needs to go to invite only
Post by: motek on April 30, 2013, 12:14 pm
Quote
Lol invite only now the OP has got his feet wet here? Same shit different day.

 ;D LMAO !    Oh limits old mate!  We may not agree at times but eh? You make us laugh at times matey!   Classic Limitless hitting the noob nail on the headd!

   And,  that's life and  "what happens" when folks like us, speak thei minds, as Limitless does, and motek too  ;) 8 -karma ALL a round bro  :o  Hey No worries Lim, here have  some from mo ;)tek


As for the OP .....What a fucking STUPID idea!  :o 
 How the FUCK did you (op) figure out this 'gem of an idea?!',   and Dog only knows  'why'
Shit!   even LUE's confused!

Q:   Where the FUCK?   Have ALL these noobs recently come from?  Did SR have a 'marketing Campaign I missed or  ???

"Answering drug dosage etc questions to JOIN TSR"???    WTF x100 :o 



To ALL those who remember being new, and 'having to learn ALL about'  being a "crypto-anarchist"  which REQUIRES at least a little effeort and application  ;) 8) +1 to you all  :) 8)

As  for these peeps who've been here for 10 mins and are Alreadt TRYING TO TEACH  DPR how to "do it"  :o :o :o
Which of course would be to IMMEDIATELY MAKE TSR   "Invite ONLY"
And then "change the URL ..Just to "make sure"  NO ONE KNOWS, how to access the road (me camel's lost :()
 ergo sum..."everyone is 'safe' from the SR' .... No more drugs!
Wat to GO   OP .... please ((dont) keep it up ....if you are 'serious' . . . if you're just trolling please GTFO, and IF you're trying to be "funny" . . . well, you aren't, so please, give it a rest. (and dont forgeet to give me some -karma for disagreeing woth you



 Stay Happy friends

m m m m motek

What I'd like to know is, "where d FUCK did all these "noobs"  who CLEARLY ....
 are Not Interested in doing ANY   'research for themselves'   ::)  Why Not?

It's about time these noobs get into the hang of UTFSE  ;)  and they'll be fine
Title: Re: Alright Time for some changes, who thinks SR needs to go to invite only
Post by: Blksheep on April 30, 2013, 12:23 pm
How in the hell would anyone make money for "invite only?" Really man. Go over to BMR and troll there. Thank you
Title: Re: Alright Time for some changes, who thinks SR needs to go to invite only
Post by: Jenso on April 30, 2013, 12:25 pm
>:(
we were all n00bs at some point, try to remember that

Exactly... everyone had to start off fresh at some point.  8)
Title: Re: Alright Time for some changes, who thinks SR needs to go to invite only
Post by: canuckboy on April 30, 2013, 12:35 pm
I bet new members would gladly pay a fee for access.  Monthly fee too.  If the quality control and micro management is there for the price. 

Pay for access to private network with high quality control measures in place?  Maybe.
Freedom is a double edged sword.  Abuse it and site attacks will happen.
Title: Re: Alright Time for some changes, who thinks SR needs to go to invite only
Post by: brusselsprout on April 30, 2013, 12:42 pm
The more people that go on SR the more anonymous we become  ;)
Title: Re: Alright Time for some changes, who thinks SR needs to go to invite only
Post by: wraithe on April 30, 2013, 01:58 pm
there are not many options that are not a double edged sword or go against basic beliefs of the site.

pay to be a member,  whats the point scammer will still pay cuz they will scam 10x

invite only, i understand limiting the people joining lowers scams but invites will still be sold, traded,etc look at private torrent trackers.  not to mention dea etc already have accounts here

there are no real options that do not have any negative repercussions. atleast in my opinion
Title: Re: Alright Time for some changes, who thinks SR needs to go to invite only
Post by: Lucius Luv on April 30, 2013, 02:23 pm
luckily i can still talk to my vendors, love u guys.   it looks like dpr isn't going anywhere, and you may get your wish with a semi private sr with multiple addresses -personally i think thats a great idea since resources can't be bogged down on the only sr tor address in existence.

i have no idea how dpr can keep the site up in it's current fashion with a never ending migration of  new users.  put new users on sr2.0 or something, many of  us i'm sure deserve priority for the sacrifices we made already, as buyers and vendors.  this movement is destined into the golden age, not a few golden years.
Title: Re: Alright Time for some changes, who thinks SR needs to go to invite only
Post by: gtrmonkey on April 30, 2013, 02:33 pm
Lol invite only now the OP has got his feet wet here? Same shit different day.

Lulz only my feet wet...... wow, really? Kinda been here for a while.

Ummm yea this is not a response to the ddos attacks, everyone is treating it as such.

Anyways Vendors are making bank off repeat business. Alot of vendors dont want to deal with new people pming them every 5 secs. About where there package is and how to use pgp. You would still have new business just at a slower rate. I dont get why everyone thinks Vendors only make money off new accounts. Because they dont. Which is why most vendors execpt new ones require a certain number or transaction and money spent before they allow you to do business with them. Really lets be honest the most business you would be losing is the F.E people. 

Note I made this thread not to get bashed. I am not trying to teach DPR anything. :rolleyes: , its just an Idea.

To the screening process bash comments. Well thats what a discussion is here for right?. Tweak and tune. I am not saying it has to be done like this.

Motek, wow man, seriously Jan 2013, acting like you know Limitless, nut riding to max.You weren't even a member when he was a mod, let alone range rover thread.  I can only assume your a continuous nut rider that has nothing to contribute . Flaunting around krama, because you achieve post whoring. status. Nice.

Blksheep, not even worth my time.

Delta11, danknugsdun, wraithe, canuckboy, Sensei, flwrchlds9, Lucius Luv. Thank you all for bring something to the discussion that is productive.

There is alot of truth, to "The more people that go on SR the more anonymous we become". While this is true, it does create allot of unnecessary, heat. In my opinion. 

I totally like the idea also of having a second tier SR or a semi private verison.
Title: Re: Alright Time for some changes, who thinks SR needs to go to invite only
Post by: MailMaxDev on April 30, 2013, 02:40 pm
Yeah it must be really annoying being a vendor and having all these NEW GUYS giving you money left and right. You know vendors can turn down any order for any reason right?
Title: Re: Alright Time for some changes, who thinks SR needs to go to invite only
Post by: Jack N Hoff on April 30, 2013, 02:43 pm
There is no way that new users could possibly create "more heat" than Silk Road has.
Title: Re: Alright Time for some changes, who thinks SR needs to go to invite only
Post by: Jack N Hoff on April 30, 2013, 02:44 pm
Yeah it must be really annoying being a vendor and having all these NEW GUYS giving you money left and right. You know vendors can turn down any order for any reason right?

I hate when I see new people on the street and they come up to me asking if they can throw money at me!  >:(
Title: Re: Alright Time for some changes, who thinks SR needs to go to invite only
Post by: fitness_n_herb on April 30, 2013, 02:58 pm
I personally think these growing pains will end in time.

I believe some outside the box server work could be in order (Ports old boy), but I do have respect for DPR for all he has said and done. Nothing easily gained holds value, and while I trust the methods of the road, by going "invite only" the man has won. I for one want anyone willing to try, to do so. Keep our cops on the real criminals, plus some good bud too on here :)

-F&H

Speaking of that,hey delta :)
Title: Re: Alright Time for some changes, who thinks SR needs to go to invite only
Post by: Rowsdower on April 30, 2013, 03:14 pm
I don't like the idea of making it private.  Sure it would work for me since I'm already here, but I'm applying the golden rule.  It would royally piss me off if I say a month from now I found out about SR, came to join, and found it's invite only and I don't know anyone who's a member who can invite.  I think if SR wanted to be a private operation, they would/should have been that way from day 1.  I know of another site that is similar to SR which is invite only, not sure if it still exists, but I was never able to get an invite to it even after begging for one from strangers online so I say fuck the whole invite idea.
Title: Re: Alright Time for some changes, who thinks SR needs to go to invite only
Post by: curiositymatrix on April 30, 2013, 03:24 pm
How about we split the difference - implement a buyer score / membership rank system, where buyers with refund / AF rates below a certain %, as well as vendor feedback on their experience with a buyer, allows for "proven" members to have a small, private site that you graduate to when you prove you're up to SR snuff :)

People can still join freely, and buy from vendors freely, but vendors can chose to make listings only available to known members. There's still incentive to sell to the new members, and more pressure on buyers to keep their account in good standing (don't try to blackmail with feedback, etc)

People will complain that this hurts small buyers / unfairly favors buyers who buy in large amounts, but to be fair, they're making the biggest financial contributions to the road - a customer who buys 50,000 air conditioners a year is going to have a private line to GE tech support, as opposed to a homeowner.
Title: Re: Alright Time for some changes, who thinks SR needs to go to invite only
Post by: Tessellated on April 30, 2013, 03:40 pm
As a vendor I say no fucking way. These "noobs" as you call them are our best customers.

Do you think turning a mall into a private club is going to improve sales?

Silk Road is about freedom, not a private club.
Title: Re: Alright Time for some changes, who thinks SR needs to go to invite only
Post by: Panzerknacker on April 30, 2013, 04:14 pm
As a vendor I say no fucking way. These "noobs" as you call them are our best customers.

Do you think turning a mall into a private club is going to improve sales?

Silk Road is about freedom, not a private club.

Fuck yes.

The OP attitude is the opposite of what DPR is about. It pisses me off so much when a group of people who've been on a site for 6 months longer than another decides with one giant generalization that "noobs are the problem" - WTF? This elitist attitude is so far removed from what the Silk Road is about. We're not a goddamn 1% country club.
Title: Re: Alright Time for some changes, who thinks SR needs to go to invite only
Post by: Panzerknacker on April 30, 2013, 04:16 pm
Also... why is this even up for debate? It is completely irrelevant to the site being down.
Title: Re: Alright Time for some changes, who thinks SR needs to go to invite only
Post by: motek on April 30, 2013, 05:05 pm
Quote
Lulz only my feet wet...... wow, really? Kinda been here for a while.

hmmm  Looks like motek's not the only one to notice the OP has only been a member of the forums since April the First,
so what's with this comment?  What are you "trying" to SAY?  C'mon lad, spit it out!
Quote
Motek, wow man, seriously Jan 2013, acting like you know Limitless, nut riding to max.You weren't even a member when he was a mod, let alone range rover thread.

Hmmmm you SURE about that? IIRC  didn't Limitless stop being a Mod around the time SameSame became one?  :-\

my guess is that you ARE absolutely correct in saying,
Quote
I can only assume
 
 becoz,  that  IS ALL  you are doing ::) ... ASSuming!  ::)

Und So....
Quote
I can only assume your a continuous nut rider that has nothing to contribute . Flaunting around krama, because you achieve post whoring. status. Nice.
Sigh...boring, MORE "argumentum adhominem"
 FFS dude "stick to the FACTs!"
 
Quote
Flaunting around krama, because you achieve post whoring. status.
   
 WTF ARE you talking about?

Here's some comment from a  REAL VENDOR for you to suck on ;D
Quote
As a vendor I say no fucking way. These "noobs" as you call them are our best customers.

Do you think turning a mall into a private club is going to improve sales?

And here you go AGAIN !!
Quote
I dont get why everyone thinks Vendors only make money off new accounts. Because they dont.

AGAIN, are You SURE about that.? 
 Sounds like you should be vending with ALL that thinking you're doing :o  Like this bit....
Quote
Which is why most vendors execpt new ones require a certain number or transaction and money spent before they allow you to do business with them.

Aaaah!  I had been 'wondering about this?  Do you think that's why they dont  accept our orders?   But then you say
Quote
Alot of vendors dont want to deal with new people pming them every 5 secs
Which 'expplains it ALL!  8)  So that's IT!!!
 
We're just  TOO small,  to "bother"  doing business with,  Gosh, with " all that 'mucking around with PGA 'n stuff, gets tricky, and takes up time 'n all that :P  Hmmmm makes sense now  ..... even AFTER we had FE'd the fuckers never sent anything :o  It's almost been 2 months now!

Do you think we're wasting our "hope"  on letters that were NEVER sent becoz we're too small and the Vendor's too Big?

Gotcha!  Thanx bro, now we can sleep more easily after having found such wisdom online!

 
Anyhoo thanks for sharing you Funny Monkey  ::)

m m m m motek

p.s   @ OverJoyed, 

Quote
"We know that you're just wanting to buy some weed, but in order to qualify for an account you must first show us that you know the proper IV dosage of n-ethyl-ketamine and walk us through the synthesis of both 25G-NBOMe and 3,4-ctmp."

 LMAO  yeah, can you imagine that :o  . . . 
TSR's customer base would be immediately decimated (or worse!)  :o  Classic !!

 


Title: Re: Alright Time for some changes, who thinks SR needs to go to invite only
Post by: Limetless on April 30, 2013, 05:16 pm
acting like you know Limitless, nut riding to max.You weren't even a member when he was a mod, let alone range rover thread.
[/quote]

Lol everyone wants to know Limetless.... 8)


And to clarify I was demodded quite a bit before SameSameButDifferent became a Mod. Ahhhhh how the years go by....
Title: Re: Alright Time for some changes, who thinks SR needs to go to invite only
Post by: Secret_Squirrel on April 30, 2013, 05:36 pm
Any methods we implement to combat this scourge will likely be undone by people posting guides or posting on reddit, if only we could stop them...
Title: Re: Alright Time for some changes, who thinks SR needs to go to invite only
Post by: Aoth14 on April 30, 2013, 05:39 pm
I agree with the invite only aspect, but when silk road has done nothing but cater to newbies ( how-tos, basically one stop info shops for things like btc,pgp, things people should be researching theirselves). In-depth talk about btc and pgp should be banned. those things have their own info sources. Kids and irresponsible people are more likely to be on SR if they can go from computer-illiterate to buying and selling in a black market and on technology they dont understand or respect, if they can do so without having to leave one stickied thread.

If SR wanted to clean up, it could. Gram listings of pot? No one is going through the trouble to spend 29 bucks on a gram of weed 2000 miles away, unless 29 bucks is all they have to spend. Which to me is typically a person who shouldnt be using SR.  Theirs lots of things that could cut out a lot of the riff raff.

Title: Re: Alright Time for some changes, who thinks SR needs to go to invite only
Post by: k1llin on April 30, 2013, 05:42 pm
what...? no
Title: Re: Alright Time for some changes, who thinks SR needs to go to invite only
Post by: Delta11 on April 30, 2013, 05:43 pm
acting like you know Limitless, nut riding to max.You weren't even a member when he was a mod, let alone range rover thread.

Lol everyone wants to know Limetless.... 8)


And to clarify I was demodded quite a bit before SameSameButDifferent became a Mod. Ahhhhh how the years go by....
[/quote]
I forgot bots can't be mods  :D
Title: Re: Alright Time for some changes, who thinks SR needs to go to invite only
Post by: Limetless on April 30, 2013, 06:17 pm
acting like you know Limitless, nut riding to max.You weren't even a member when he was a mod, let alone range rover thread.

Lol everyone wants to know Limetless.... 8)


And to clarify I was demodded quite a bit before SameSameButDifferent became a Mod. Ahhhhh how the years go by....
I forgot bots can't be mods  :D
[/quote]

Lol, I'm just too raw for public consumption Delta ;)

And nice one Aurelius, I am in fact partaking myself at this moment. Small world! 8)
Title: Re: Alright Time for some changes, who thinks SR needs to go to invite only
Post by: Limetless on April 30, 2013, 06:57 pm
ahhh to be limetless and have mountains of meph and mountains of cash and mountains of xanax for the comedowns

Yeah, it's not a bad life I have to confess. Ain't got that much UC left to be honest, running quite low at the moment. Lots more soon though and then SALE TIME! :D
Title: Re: Alright Time for some changes, who thinks SR needs to go to invite only
Post by: goblin on April 30, 2013, 07:05 pm
Not invite. Private only. That is, only the vendors and all the buyers who have been in SR for at least six months, or have stellar stats, or at least something like 10 successful buys with close to zero refunds or autofinalizations.

NO MORE registrations. That's it. And a constantly changing url that is PMd to the above specified members. For a long time, until something radical changes with respect to the hardware or other structure that can fend off these attacks, or at least stay one step ahead.

goblin
Title: Re: Alright Time for some changes, who thinks SR needs to go to invite only
Post by: Limetless on April 30, 2013, 07:08 pm
Not invite. Private only. That is, only the vendors and all the buyers who have been in SR for at least six months, or have stellar stats, or at least something like 10 successful buys with close to zero refunds or autofinalizations.

NO MORE registrations. That's it. And a constantly changing url that is PMd to the above specified members. For a long time, until something radical changes with respect to the hardware or other structure that can fend off these attacks, or at least stay one step ahead.

goblin

LOL are you serious? Do you realise how much that would fuck growth and how much that sort of thing would dent vendors pockets. People who suggest this really don't get economics.
Title: Re: Alright Time for some changes, who thinks SR needs to go to invite only
Post by: goblin on April 30, 2013, 07:14 pm
Not invite. Private only. That is, only the vendors and all the buyers who have been in SR for at least six months, or have stellar stats, or at least something like 10 successful buys with close to zero refunds or autofinalizations.

NO MORE registrations. That's it. And a constantly changing url that is PMd to the above specified members. For a long time, until something radical changes with respect to the hardware or other structure that can fend off these attacks, or at least stay one step ahead.

goblin

LOL are you serious? Do you realise how much that would fuck growth and how much that sort of thing would dent vendors pockets. People who suggest this really don't get economics.
Tell me, are you making anything now?
Title: Re: Alright Time for some changes, who thinks SR needs to go to invite only
Post by: Limetless on April 30, 2013, 07:20 pm
Not invite. Private only. That is, only the vendors and all the buyers who have been in SR for at least six months, or have stellar stats, or at least something like 10 successful buys with close to zero refunds or autofinalizations.

NO MORE registrations. That's it. And a constantly changing url that is PMd to the above specified members. For a long time, until something radical changes with respect to the hardware or other structure that can fend off these attacks, or at least stay one step ahead.

goblin

LOL are you serious? Do you realise how much that would fuck growth and how much that sort of thing would dent vendors pockets. People who suggest this really don't get economics.
Tell me, are you making anything now?

No but explain to me how clipping registrations etc would stop people ddossing the site or hacking it? It wouldn't. All it'd do is take money out of our pockets. I mean shit you're a vendor surely you understand this? I'd agree if it actually would provide any defense against this sort of thing but it wouldn't so you are essentially cutting growth for fuck all. The site isn't even a secret anyway so what's the point? It'd be like trying to hide an elephant under a picnic blanket now.
Title: Re: Alright Time for some changes, who thinks SR needs to go to invite only
Post by: Aoth14 on April 30, 2013, 07:29 pm
The point is, SR has enough established vendors. Its like greed. SR couldnt grow too big, they knew that. Cap members, and new vendors can thrive in their own market, with their own customers. What do you do when a parking lot is full? ramp on top of other cars?   Its the same thing with this market. If I wanted to sell drugs on the internet, I wouldbe be offended for not being allowed in a group based on senority or a grandfather clause. Thats why such clauses exist, to create a defining point. Most vendors I deal with on SR are TOO busy.
Title: Re: Alright Time for some changes, who thinks SR needs to go to invite only
Post by: goblin on April 30, 2013, 07:30 pm
No, no, what I'm saying is the changing urls, being secret (only to the established members) would stop the attacks. There can't be any doubt as to that.

And keeping the information only to those established members, supposedly who are not the attacker(s), we'd be pretty safe. Insular, but safe. And a lot of people keep doing repeat business, I'm sure you agree to that. So we wouldn't be growing, but we'd be making money, although maybe not getting filthy rich. And the good buyers would be able to keep their "desires" sated.

And it would be temporary anyway, so I say, what's the harm? There's a lot worse than not growing. I don't believe in infinite growth anyway, not in economics, not in physics, not in anything really.

But if you still disagree, that's fine. Let's respect each other's points of view. I'm learnig to not get upset if people go whole against me. Like water off a duck's back.
Title: Re: Alright Time for some changes, who thinks SR needs to go to invite only
Post by: Limetless on April 30, 2013, 07:37 pm
No, no, what I'm saying is the changing urls, being secret (only to the established members) would stop the attacks. There can't be any doubt as to that.

And keeping the information only to those established members, supposedly who are not the attacker(s), we'd be pretty safe. Insular, but safe. And a lot of people keep doing repeat business, I'm sure you agree to that. So we wouldn't be growing, but we'd be making money, although maybe not getting filthy rich. And the good buyers would be able to keep their "desires" sated.

And it would be temporary anyway, so I say, what's the harm? There's a lot worse than not growing. I don't believe in infinite growth anyway, not in economics, not in physics, not in anything really.

But if you still disagree, that's fine. Let's respect each other's points of view. I'm learnig to not get upset if people go whole against me. Like water off a duck's back.

I would agree to it as a temporary measure but long term no because like I said it would stunt growth. The point of business is to grow, otherwise it stagnates.
Title: Re: Alright Time for some changes, who thinks SR needs to go to invite only
Post by: abrakadabra on April 30, 2013, 08:27 pm
How the hell would invites be based on purchase stats?? Would it be possible to have a purchase history prior to even being "invited" to register, and pass dosage test so you could even access the site?
 They should also only allow bitcoins to be purchased with bitcoins.....
Title: Re: Alright Time for some changes, who thinks SR needs to go to invite only
Post by: Secret_Squirrel on April 30, 2013, 08:32 pm
How the hell would invites be based on purchase stats?? Would it be possible to have a purchase history prior to even being "invited" to register, and pass dosage test so you could even access the site?
 They should also only allow bitcoins to be purchased with bitcoins.....

Always like learning new things, so I'm curious, buying bitcoins with bitcoins, why?
Title: Re: Alright Time for some changes, who thinks SR needs to go to invite only
Post by: technofarm on April 30, 2013, 09:41 pm
Anyone who has been here for a year should be able to stay IMO.   

This is really upsetting and I hope SR can get back up soon.
Title: Re: Alright Time for some changes, who thinks SR needs to go to invite only
Post by: internalzen on April 30, 2013, 09:56 pm
Of course it should not be invite only! That would go directly against Dread Pirate Roberts ideas and philosophy that he shared in Forbes. So, what exclusive group should be allowed in? People with over 5 years will say, well people with over 5 years of course! One your people, same thing. How about whites only? I say as long as I'm in the club I should be in and I don't care about who else. Isn't one of the guiding principals here that we are accepted for who we are and are free behind these doors to do what we want as long as we don't hurt anyone else. How about we stand together as a group to support the group and DPR.

Once you start "suggesting" a closed good ole boy club, YOU should be booted out! Just my humble opinion.
Title: Re: Alright Time for some changes, who thinks SR needs to go to invite only
Post by: dwinslow311 on April 30, 2013, 10:10 pm
there could be a stats based system in place; that would make it alot easier on the back end than to process invites on a case-by-case basis.

like, 5 transactions minimum with 0% AF or 10 trans. with >10% AF, and so on.
Title: Re: Alright Time for some changes, who thinks SR needs to go to invite only
Post by: Secret_Squirrel on April 30, 2013, 10:11 pm
Yeah invite only seems a bit rash, just being able to get on here should be enough.  Well I guess not anymore with all the guides and how easy it has gotten in the last year or so. 

This may not be realistic but maybe some kind of test for new customers could be put in place, maybe like a multiple choice...example question:

1) Which one of these should the silk road address end in...

a) .onion.to
b) .onion
c) .com
d) all of the above

Obviously anyone could just take the test until they get them all right. But a little test with a few questions that seem to get new buyers in trouble sounds good to me. 
Title: Re: Alright Time for some changes, who thinks SR needs to go to invite only
Post by: weed4me6969 on April 30, 2013, 10:12 pm
The more people that go on SR the more anonymous we become  ;)


Exactly,  I will let DPR figure out how to run his site.
Title: Re: Alright Time for some changes, who thinks SR needs to go to invite only
Post by: weed4me6969 on April 30, 2013, 10:15 pm
The more people that go on SR the more anonymous we become  ;)


Exactly, I will let DPR figure out how to run his own site.
Title: Re: Alright Time for some changes, who thinks SR needs to go to invite only
Post by: Mr. Fluffles Schrodinger on April 30, 2013, 10:42 pm
The Reddit, the public news stories, the youtube instructional videos all need to go. Underground should be more UNDERground. Only our opinion :)

good to block onion.to and tor2web proxy if possible.

Invite only maybe too much for now. Maybe need SR2, SRPro

I am very anti-elitist atm in my life but do agree with most of what you said here. Equal opportunity access should be a thing but people obviously need to prove themselves before the huddled masses fuck things up for every body else.

I think a buffer site is a very good idea.
Title: Re: Alright Time for some changes, who thinks SR needs to go to invite only
Post by: phoboss on April 30, 2013, 10:57 pm
I think the OP is a few biscuits short of a fruit cake what an idiot so yeah good idea OP we'll get rid of idiots like you first who just ain't got a clue about a clue WTF man does he even know what he or she is saying what a clutts OP please go hang your dumber than dumb self please
Title: Re: Alright Time for some changes, who thinks SR needs to go to invite only
Post by: CrazyBart on April 30, 2013, 11:37 pm
If you are looking for invite only sites and haven't found any, you are not looking hard enough.
Title: Re: Alright Time for some changes, who thinks SR needs to go to invite only
Post by: seatturtle on April 30, 2013, 11:43 pm
I agree that people should be doing their own research rather than just berating the forums with every imaginable question. With the increased attention PGP should really be mandatory at this point for ordering. If you can't figure that out on your own you shouldn't be using SR.

While SR will probably always be open to everyone while its around (which I agree with, everyone deserves access ) I think there is definitely a huge market for a more technically and financially elite, security hardened anon market. Just for people who are doing serious business with advanced tech capabilities. Developers could even make a hack the only way to gain access or something.

But just talking to friends of mine, most people think even going to the site is nuts. My most technically inclined friends are still beyond sketched out by it and won't consider using it. I think its going to blow up to a point but most people will just never consider using a tor market for so many reasons. Those of us who are comfortable using btc anonymously and using tor markets tend to forget that because were used to it and it seems easy.
It just sucks that hacker(s) are attacking the site so much now. Its gained attention from very sophisticated hackers now, so an invite only kind of thing won't stop them. Fucking hack a major bank or something that will benefit humanity :( Long Live DPR I hope he's able to get a handle on this problem.
Title: Re: Alright Time for some changes, who thinks SR needs to go to invite only
Post by: skitzo on April 30, 2013, 11:46 pm
ive been wishing this place would go to invite only. too open for the public now. i remember when my coworker told me he's on this 'private' site and was like...ha you mean SR the place ive been using the last 6 months hiding from you. FML how did you find out?

sigh. but on the plus side i have found a NEW very exclusive group to avoid the mass market who appreciates the private invite idea.

just really brings me down when i come on here and see people "omg cops came today and i told them everything because im a complete retard"
Title: Re: Alright Time for some changes, who thinks SR needs to go to invite only
Post by: xpat on April 30, 2013, 11:51 pm
The more people that go on SR the more anonymous we become  ;)

This.

Also, since we're all on here it's easy to advocate for invite only, but even the most experienced buyers and best vendors started off as n00bs with no history of any sort. Think about how different this community would be if it was invite only from the onset?

If this is the only way to keep the road alive, I suppose I would be for it, but it would truly be a sad day, and it certainly wouldn't be the same road
Title: Re: Alright Time for some changes, who thinks SR needs to go to invite only
Post by: curtnz on May 01, 2013, 12:01 am
this isnt even fair. i want to make my first purchase but im just learning how to use wallets and to find a good way to transfer my real life money to bitcoins. and the sr is down as well. trapped
Title: Re: Alright Time for some changes, who thinks SR needs to go to invite only
Post by: internalzen on May 01, 2013, 12:06 am
I honestly think most folks won't, can't figure out how to get here. Heck most people can barely manage getting onto the internet! LOL. Those who do, did some work and maybe that's enough.

The much bigger issue, in my opinion, is all the publicity. The Forbes article is crazy mainstream and I think that may be a big issue. I was not even looking for that info and found it. Lets see Forbes mag, politicians, drug mart, anti-state, boom. Or worse yet, some numb nut will OD and they will be linked back to SR and its all over. I watched it happen with poppy pods and ebay. Remember, its always someone else's fault.
Title: Re: Alright Time for some changes, who thinks SR needs to go to invite only
Post by: gtrmonkey on May 01, 2013, 12:16 am
Quote
Lulz only my feet wet...... wow, really? Kinda been here for a while.

hmmm  Looks like motek's not the only one to notice the OP has only been a member of the forums since April the First,
so what's with this comment?  What are you "trying" to SAY?  C'mon lad, spit it out!
Quote
Motek, wow man, seriously Jan 2013, acting like you know Limitless, nut riding to max.You weren't even a member when he was a mod, let alone range rover thread.

Hmmmm you SURE about that? IIRC  didn't Limitless stop being a Mod around the time SameSame became one?  :-\

my guess is that you ARE absolutely correct in saying,
Quote
I can only assume
 
 becoz,  that  IS ALL  you are doing ::) ... ASSuming!  ::)

Und So....
Quote
I can only assume your a continuous nut rider that has nothing to contribute . Flaunting around krama, because you achieve post whoring. status. Nice.
Sigh...boring, MORE "argumentum adhominem"
 FFS dude "stick to the FACTs!"
 
Quote
Flaunting around krama, because you achieve post whoring. status.
   
 WTF ARE you talking about?

Here's some comment from a  REAL VENDOR for you to suck on ;D
Quote
As a vendor I say no fucking way. These "noobs" as you call them are our best customers.

Do you think turning a mall into a private club is going to improve sales?

And here you go AGAIN !!
Quote
I dont get why everyone thinks Vendors only make money off new accounts. Because they dont.

AGAIN, are You SURE about that.? 
 Sounds like you should be vending with ALL that thinking you're doing :o  Like this bit....
Quote
Which is why most vendors execpt new ones require a certain number or transaction and money spent before they allow you to do business with them.

Aaaah!  I had been 'wondering about this?  Do you think that's why they dont  accept our orders?   But then you say
Quote
Alot of vendors dont want to deal with new people pming them every 5 secs
Which 'expplains it ALL!  8)  So that's IT!!!
 
We're just  TOO small,  to "bother"  doing business with,  Gosh, with " all that 'mucking around with PGA 'n stuff, gets tricky, and takes up time 'n all that :P  Hmmmm makes sense now  ..... even AFTER we had FE'd the fuckers never sent anything :o  It's almost been 2 months now!

Do you think we're wasting our "hope"  on letters that were NEVER sent becoz we're too small and the Vendor's too Big?

Gotcha!  Thanx bro, now we can sleep more easily after having found such wisdom online!

 
Anyhoo thanks for sharing you Funny Monkey  ::)

m m m m motek

p.s   @ OverJoyed, 

Quote
"We know that you're just wanting to buy some weed, but in order to qualify for an account you must first show us that you know the proper IV dosage of n-ethyl-ketamine and walk us through the synthesis of both 25G-NBOMe and 3,4-ctmp."

 LMAO  yeah, can you imagine that :o  . . . 
TSR's customer base would be immediately decimated (or worse!)  :o  Classic !!

On my join date:
Sigh, April 01, 2012, 06:47 pm is my join date on the forums. And my account join date is even older then that.

About Limitless: he cleared that up himself. Lulz Again showing your a nut rider with very little ground to stand on.

About Vendors: Those are sooo abstract to what I was saying. It makes very little sense.

I have no comment on the what the other vendor sayed about noobs being there best customers. because he is a vendor and that his expernice and general opinion. Which is why I made the thread, to get feedback like that. ::), Which is why I made this thread, this is not a list of demands like most people are treating it.  I use noobs as a general term for newbie, No offense is to be taken from that. Sorry if that offend anyone.

After reading threw hundreds of vendors profile pages, and from the updates saying my pm box is full of messages about shipping times and questions on btc and how to get them, and what is pgp. Stuff like I assumed this was a problem with for the majority. Yes when I go to find a product, I go threw every freaking listing and read all the feedback I can and go threw your review threads. But apparently I assumed wrong and this is not a problem. From the feedback I am getting.

About the Screening Process, This was just a thought, on what some pvt trackers do. I thought Hypothetically, if SR went to invite only, (Which I know now it wont.) This would be a way to weed out, people not willing to learn, and want to be spoon fed everything. So you get a more intellectual customer base, just food for thought. Not calling everyone thats starting out stupid, just saying, not everyone should be on S.R.

Also why cant me and dpr, have different opinions or ideas whats wrong  with that.



Title: Re: Alright Time for some changes, who thinks SR needs to go to invite only
Post by: Limetless on May 01, 2013, 12:01 pm

About Limitless: he cleared that up himself. Lulz Again showing your a nut rider with very little ground to stand on.


Lol now you are talking about me like you know me...
Title: Re: Alright Time for some changes, who thinks SR needs to go to invite only
Post by: ohai on May 01, 2013, 12:26 pm
how can you not realize invite only would destroy SR? idiots.
Title: Re: Alright Time for some changes, who thinks SR needs to go to invite only
Post by: Torocracy on May 01, 2013, 01:52 pm
No no no to the OP.

The more people who know they can anonymously and safely purchase drugs, the more security in numbers we all gain. SR is an experiment in freedom, of anarcho/crypto-capitalism. It is counter to the philosophy to restrict its usage based on some arbitrary requirement.

Eventually, enough people may use the Road to make it futile for the State to continue the drug war

I hope it happens quickly for the sake of all the people locked in cages now by the State. Until then, it keeps profit levels artificially high.
Title: Re: Alright Time for some changes, who thinks SR needs to go to invite only
Post by: motek on May 01, 2013, 02:12 pm
Quote
This was just a thought, on what some pvt trackers do. I thought Hypothetically, if SR went to invite only,  This would be a way to weed out, people not willing to learn, and want to be spoon fed everything. So you get a more intellectual customer base, just food for thought.
Not calling everyone thats starting out stupid, just saying, not everyone should be on S.R.


Sorry bro, my bad  :-[   Now I see what you are getting at with this last paragraph....with which I basically agree with  8)

Again, sorry for going of a bit "half coked"   :P   er  "half cocked! " that is  ::)

The coke was Its Own Story  :D
Title: Re: Alright Time for some changes, who thinks SR needs to go to invite only
Post by: asshole on May 01, 2013, 03:43 pm
You're a dumbass gtrmonkey.
Title: Re: Alright Time for some changes, who thinks SR needs to go to invite only
Post by: Aoth14 on May 01, 2013, 04:56 pm
Everyones entitled to their opinion. Hope everyone understands only one opinion matters though.

The bottom line is, SR DOES need to choose a niche. Does it want to be chinese ebay, or barret jackson?  SR can run off all the big time spenders who have been sending and receiving drugs in the mail for decades, and cater to warp-minded teenagers who stole their mothers credit card to buy bitcoins, if they want to. But I'd rather leave that type of traffic for the 'competition'   

But what do I know, i run my life on values and common sense, not profit. Maybe thats why I'm the brokest, nicest, oldest drug dealer,but with a clean record and a good conscience I cant say common sense has steered me wrong yet.
Title: Re: Alright Time for some changes, who thinks SR needs to go to invite only
Post by: smogmonster13 on May 01, 2013, 06:26 pm
I get the spirit of the conversation here. Yet...

I don't think an "invite-only" or any other system that restricts access is consistent with my understanding of the SR philosophy. But it does seem that vendors could (indeed some already do) restrict access by refusing to serve potential customers who don't know what they're doing yet.
Title: Re: Alright Time for some changes, who thinks SR needs to go to invite only
Post by: divinechemicals on May 01, 2013, 08:02 pm
Come on, this goes completely against everything Silk Road stands for. The Silk Road is fighting the War on Drugs. It is not our place to say, "Well, you don't get to fight the government in the War on Drugs because you missed the boat." The Silk Road gives easily accessible safe, quality drugs to ANYONE who chooses to join. Will there be some obstacles along the way? Of course. No revolution happens without some difficulties. But if we decide to give up and start limiting who is allowed to participate, then we admit defeat at the hands of the state. DPR and his team have shown that they are up to the challenge. In the grand scheme of things, a few weeks of off and on service is a slight distraction compared to the amazing things we as a community have already accomplished. Now isn't the time to be selfish. I'm all for letting anyone join the revolution. The more we have, the better. Perhaps the Silk Road is no longer a secret, but hey, I say that might be a good thing! It means that more people are joining us everyday, and the government is powerless to stop it. That being said, any vendor who wishes may of course go into stealth mode and start accepting only current customers or customers that have impeccable stats. That's fine, that's their right as salesmen in the free market. But the free market itself can't be shut down like that. I'd rather be patient and let DPR work out the kinks than have the site adopt a philosophy that basically says you're not allowed to join the fight unless you know the right people. That philosophy already existed when drugs were all bought on the street. The Silk Road is supposed to end that problem. If you want to put a substance in your body, here is your golden ticket.
Title: Re: Alright Time for some changes, who thinks SR needs to go to invite only
Post by: Dread on May 01, 2013, 11:37 pm
Heh, people said the same thing way back when Gawker started gawking at shit, was a shitty idea then too. Every federal agent with a computer is already here, make it invite only and you'll just be taking away more potential money from the marketplace while the 500,000 feds already here just invite all their fed friends as they see fit to rape the stalled market, it's not like making it invite only would prevent them from doing anything they would have done before. Also, being that we're on Tor it's not exactly difficult for anyone to share an account here. As for scammers, I can pretty much guarantee you people will start selling invites, and as I'm sure you know scammers don't mind putting in a little start-up money to turn a quick profit.
Title: Re: Alright Time for some changes, who thinks SR needs to go to invite only
Post by: Galtourpa on May 02, 2013, 12:04 am
The cats already out of the bag when it comes to keeping it quiet, to some degree a bit of a shame. But isn't it like giving in to the attackers who ever they are to tuck our heads in and become selective? We need to prove that this is a better system than buying from dodgy dealers in pubs and street corners and getting ripped off with poison crap in a bag. As divinechemicals said it is already selective on the streets as to who can buy and who can't and that creates resentment. I do agree that the YouTube and other 'how to' stuff on the open web do need to go as they encourage phishing. Well that's my 2 cents worth.
Title: Re: Alright Time for some changes, who thinks SR needs to go to invite only
Post by: Chaosforpeace on May 02, 2013, 12:12 am
Invite only means vendors make less money, IE some vendors leave, prices go up.
Lets keep the prices the way they are. If more and more vendors are added prices will drop. Competition is good for buyers because prices go down, but bad for vendors because they make less money.

Chaos
Title: Re: Alright Time for some changes, who thinks SR needs to go to invite only
Post by: pine on May 02, 2013, 01:04 am
Come on, this goes completely against everything Silk Road stands for. The Silk Road is fighting the War on Drugs. It is not our place to say, "Well, you don't get to fight the government in the War on Drugs because you missed the boat." The Silk Road gives easily accessible safe, quality drugs to ANYONE who chooses to join. Will there be some obstacles along the way? Of course. No revolution happens without some difficulties. But if we decide to give up and start limiting who is allowed to participate, then we admit defeat at the hands of the state. DPR and his team have shown that they are up to the challenge. In the grand scheme of things, a few weeks of off and on service is a slight distraction compared to the amazing things we as a community have already accomplished. Now isn't the time to be selfish. I'm all for letting anyone join the revolution. The more we have, the better. Perhaps the Silk Road is no longer a secret, but hey, I say that might be a good thing! It means that more people are joining us everyday, and the government is powerless to stop it. That being said, any vendor who wishes may of course go into stealth mode and start accepting only current customers or customers that have impeccable stats. That's fine, that's their right as salesmen in the free market. But the free market itself can't be shut down like that. I'd rather be patient and let DPR work out the kinks than have the site adopt a philosophy that basically says you're not allowed to join the fight unless you know the right people. That philosophy already existed when drugs were all bought on the street. The Silk Road is supposed to end that problem. If you want to put a substance in your body, here is your golden ticket.

+karma x 10000

I am patient. I am in this for the long haul. I don't care about a couple of days or even weeks of downtime.

Consider that the State has created "downtime" in the entire country for the drug consumer. In comparison, this is nothing.

I understand vendor frustration but this is NOTHING in comparison to being dragged away and put into a cage. In fact 9/10 vendors see it this way too, that's what this thread has shown.

The ones kvetching are mainly the buyers, who frankly are expecting just a bit too much. This place only looks like Amazon.com. This is the beginning of a black market industrial revolution. It's been only going on for about 2 years! There will be hiccups and you should expect the occasional inconvenience when *practically every single law enforcement on the planet is trying to shut this place down!*
Title: Re: Alright Time for some changes, who thinks SR needs to go to invite only
Post by: Holly on May 02, 2013, 01:09 am
Either way it's waaaaay too late for SR to go invite only.  This place is crawling with LEO from all over the world.
Title: Re: Alright Time for some changes, who thinks SR needs to go to invite only
Post by: anonymous3210 on May 02, 2013, 01:36 am
I only read the first page of this thread...I'm sure the remaining 5 just further reiterate how thoughtless this idea is. SR is first a foremost about making money, secondarily it is about freedom. Both of those are destroyed by making the site invite only.
Title: Re: Alright Time for some changes, who thinks SR needs to go to invite only
Post by: Chaosforpeace on May 02, 2013, 02:16 am
I only read the first page of this thread...I'm sure the remaining 5 just further reiterate how thoughtless this idea is. SR is first a foremost about making money, secondarily it is about freedom. Both of those are destroyed by making the site invite only.
The fuck are you saying? DPR has made it clear its first about freedom second about money.

Chaos
Title: Re: Alright Time for some changes, who thinks SR needs to go to invite only
Post by: anonymous3210 on May 02, 2013, 07:51 pm
I only read the first page of this thread...I'm sure the remaining 5 just further reiterate how thoughtless this idea is. SR is first a foremost about making money, secondarily it is about freedom. Both of those are destroyed by making the site invite only.
The fuck are you saying? DPR has made it clear its first about freedom second about money.

Chaos

It's always about money, my friend.
Title: Re: Alright Time for some changes, who thinks SR needs to go to invite only
Post by: ProudCannabian on May 02, 2013, 07:59 pm
I only read the first page of this thread...I'm sure the remaining 5 just further reiterate how thoughtless this idea is. SR is first a foremost about making money, secondarily it is about freedom. Both of those are destroyed by making the site invite only.
The fuck are you saying? DPR has made it clear its first about freedom second about money.

Chaos

It's always about money, my friend.

Only to those thin on humanity.
Title: Re: Alright Time for some changes, who thinks SR needs to go to invite only
Post by: Woger on May 02, 2013, 08:12 pm
@OP
Think if we go down that road, then we give up what this free market is all about.

To say, if a free market cannot withstand this type of challenge, then perhaps it has limits and that's OK; and what is wrong with saying that?
Title: Re: Alright Time for some changes, who thinks SR needs to go to invite only
Post by: pinkkush on May 02, 2013, 08:16 pm
I only read the first page of this thread...I'm sure the remaining 5 just further reiterate how thoughtless this idea is. SR is first a foremost about making money, secondarily it is about freedom. Both of those are destroyed by making the site invite only.
The fuck are you saying? DPR has made it clear its first about freedom second about money.

Chaos

you're fuckin' kiddin yourself if you think money is second. if freedom is 1, money is 110% tied for number 1. money is not second to anything regardless of what DPR says. of course he isn't going to say "yeah SR is all about making myself money bitches"
Title: Re: Alright Time for some changes, who thinks SR needs to go to invite only
Post by: Aoth14 on May 02, 2013, 08:31 pm
I dont think anyone on one side of the argument gets it. SR can't  support anymore people! Do you know how many members are on SR staff (not including forum moderators)? Do you know how chaotic and childish things are were before the publicity that flooded this place with even more pathetic customers and attracked 100times the scammers? DPR is a nanny, a nurse, technician, janitor, for thousands of idiots. If you are against lowering or at least maintaining a bearable idiot ratio, then youre just simpley an irrational person.

If you want price high, quantity low, service bad, and to never be able to get on because 14 year olds are taking up the bandwidth anyway,then I'm glad for you sticking to your anarchical 'freedom' mechanism, I'm sure SR will be a lovely place in that paths future.
Title: Re: Alright Time for some changes, who thinks SR needs to go to invite only
Post by: Heteroplasmy on May 02, 2013, 08:48 pm
Please don't goto Invite only; or if you do... Please please please! I have been here for well over a year and have spent close to $25,000.00 here in that time period. THANKKS A MILLION! :)

-Heteroplasmy
Title: Re: Alright Time for some changes, who thinks SR needs to go to invite only
Post by: Woger on May 02, 2013, 09:03 pm
@Aoth14
It's a slipper slope though, because once you starting putting up gates, then you have gatekeepers and all that goes along with it, which is why this places exists in the first place, as a response to that.

So you see, there must exist other means of addressing this supposed reality of "SR has reached it's limit" Where is the data to support this idea?
Title: Re: Alright Time for some changes, who thinks SR needs to go to invite only
Post by: jjwentworth on May 03, 2013, 12:04 am
first off fuck you op!! that being said i would have no problem making SR similiar to a costco where members pay either a monthly fee or annual fee to be a member here and that money collected could go towards added IT personal to keep SR secure or to upgrade what ever needs to be updated. I for one think DPR is the motherfucking man and deserves every single dime he gets.

what im curious to know is how many employees work at SR headquarters? although i assume most is not all of those positions are work from home type jobs.

the day SR goes down for good is the day i stop doing drugs because i will never shop at there competitors. I dont like em and I dont trust em!!
Title: Re: Alright Time for some changes, who thinks SR needs to go to invite only
Post by: colorblack on May 03, 2013, 12:10 am
what im curious to know is how many employees work at SR headquarters?

LOL. SR Headquarters... :o
Title: Re: Alright Time for some changes, who thinks SR needs to go to invite only
Post by: pine on May 03, 2013, 12:36 am
what im curious to know is how many employees work at SR headquarters?

LOL. SR Headquarters... :o

Most awesome headquarters ever :))
Title: Re: Alright Time for some changes, who thinks SR needs to go to invite only
Post by: Dipset420 on May 03, 2013, 12:43 am
first off fuck you op!! that being said i would have no problem making SR similiar to a costco where members pay either a monthly fee or annual fee to be a member here and that money collected could go towards added IT personal to keep SR secure or to upgrade what ever needs to be updated. I for one think DPR is the motherfucking man and deserves every single dime he gets.

what im curious to know is how many employees work at SR headquarters? although i assume most is not all of those positions are work from home type jobs.

the day SR goes down for good is the day i stop doing drugs because i will never shop at there competitors. I dont like em and I dont trust em!!

  No there headquarters is located in Manhattan, they also have a London and Tokyo branch. 
Title: Re: Alright Time for some changes, who thinks SR needs to go to invite only
Post by: ruby123 on May 03, 2013, 04:13 am
The entire basis of DPR's concept is to empower the individual and bring down flawed systems.This notion cannot be accomplished within an invite only structure IMO.The Silk Road is a big idea, which could cause a complete paradigm shift within many societies.

There is some hope for the future:

(clearnet)

http://reason.com/blog/2013/05/02/poll-millennials-increasingly-distrust-t

Young Americans are increasingly divided on a host of issues, but they do agree on one thing: They have damned little use for government institutions. Oddly, the one institution likely to get millennials — specifically, those between 18 and 29 years of age — killed, the military, is the only one they trust to do the right thing all or most of the time. The folks in uniform get the trust of 54 percent trust of this group. That's down a point from last year, but it's better than the Supreme Court gets (40 percent now, 45 percent in 2012), the president (39 percent now, down from 41 percent in 2012) or Congress (18 percent, down from 23 percent). The federal government as a whole draws the trust of a whopping 22 percent of respondents.

“That’s disappointing," says C. M. Trey Grayson, director of the Institute of Politics, "especially because we know that people’s political attitudes are often greatly impacted at the beginning of their adulthood, when they enter the political process.”

From the Harvard Crimson:

    Young adults aged 18 to 29, also known as the millennial generation, have an increased distrust in every political institution except the military, according to a biannual Institute of Politics report released Tuesday. Written and analyzed by students, the report also showed an increased polarization among party lines since the election and split opinions about gun regulation.

    C. M. Trey Grayson ’94, director of the Institute of Politics, said he was particularly alarmed by the long-term implications of the poll’s results, explaining that the support of the millennials is key to the future stability of modern American institutions like the media, local and federal governments, and Wall Street.

    “You hope the process can work, the system can work, politics can work,” Grayson said. “We’ve got to give millennials a reason to trust these institutions.”

Incidentally, the rest of the results are also interesting. Millennials are becoming increasingly polarized on a number of issues, from government spending to immigration to guns. According to the authors of the survey, the "gap in opinion between the way Democrats and Republicans see politics and in many cases the world, has grown sharper and more distinctive since 2010." For example:

    On the issue of whether or not “government spending is an effective way to increase growth,” in 2010 the difference between the number of Democrats and Republicans who agree with this statement was 17 points, today the number is 24 points with most of the difference accounted for by less Republican support (as compared to more support form Democrats). While disagreement among Democrats is consistent at 20 percent between 2010 and today, Republican disagreement with this concept increased six percentage points from 49 to 55 percent.

Ideological self-sorting also seems to be growing. According to the Crimson, "The division of the government was even reflected in the social lives of the Millennials. Only 12 percent said that their most recent significant other did not share their political beliefs, while 72 percent reported that all or most of their friends do."

As for just who these respondents are:

    38 percent self-identify as liberal or leaning liberal, 26 percent moderate, and 36 percent conservative or leaning conservative;
    37 percent consider themselves Democrats, 25 percent Republicans, and 37 percent Independents.

So ... plenty of variety in views, united by a wholesome distrust toward the state, even if that disappoints Director Grayson.

The Survey of Young Americans’ Attitudes Toward Politics and Public Service: 23rd Edition
Title: Re: Alright Time for some changes, who thinks SR needs to go to invite only
Post by: astor on May 03, 2013, 04:49 am
Due to all the noobs, and the explosion growth of SR. I think aswell as a couple other member. SR should go to invite only.
Some guide lines I thought of.


This goes against SR's broader mission, which is to give people the freedom to trade.
Title: Re: Alright Time for some changes, who thinks SR needs to go to invite only
Post by: nottheunderscore on May 03, 2013, 09:09 am
I agree.  Registration should have been closed long ago.  The URL needs to be moved out of the public eye, and those Youtube tutorials that teach you how to get to SR really need to go. 
Title: Re: Alright Time for some changes, who thinks SR needs to go to invite only
Post by: londonpride2 on May 03, 2013, 01:02 pm
I think it would be a real shame and against the whole ethos of SR perhaps? 
Title: Re: Alright Time for some changes, who thinks SR needs to go to invite only
Post by: Razorspyne on May 03, 2013, 02:30 pm

First off, you can make a poll yourself when creating a thread, and if you forget to at the time, you can still add a poll later to the OP.

If SR goes invite only, who is going to invite you? Have you thought about the fact that roughly 100%, give or take 0%, knows anyone here when they first join?

Piece, Love, and Fuck Haters.
Title: Re: Alright Time for some changes, who thinks SR needs to go to invite only
Post by: foreverfloyd on May 03, 2013, 06:57 pm
I found the actual way perfect.
Im noob at SR (and writing in english) , i discover it 2 months ago and do some orders, already arrived and im VERY VERY happy for knowing SR.
I try to respect others and follow the rules. And new people are very good for vendors, someones or a lot can be scammers, also vendors.
But if you read the forums for a while you know where to buy, for example LSD.

If this site was a few months ago private, i probably cant get an invitation, so my "dream" cannot be realized.

This site should remain open to everyone.
Title: Re: Alright Time for some changes, who thinks SR needs to go to invite only
Post by: goblin on May 03, 2013, 07:29 pm
I agree.  Registration should have been closed long ago.  The URL needs to be moved out of the public eye, and those Youtube tutorials that teach you how to get to SR really need to go.
Yes Yes yes Yes Yes to closing registration, at least for some time until DPR really learns how to stay ahead of the attack game, since he won't ask for help from the bright ones here.
Title: Re: Alright Time for some changes, who thinks SR needs to go to invite only
Post by: babyshiva999 on May 03, 2013, 07:54 pm
Invitation only goes against everything that the free market stands for. It is elitist, snobbish and besides I can bet you my bottom dollar that if SR went invitation only, it would lost most of the best vendors in less then a month - it just the law of the free market. Economics 101.

Peace,
Title: Re: Alright Time for some changes, who thinks SR needs to go to invite only
Post by: colorblack on May 03, 2013, 11:46 pm
What if membership is closed and made semi-private for a temporary period while DPR and his team regroup and rethink their security arrangements?
Atleast all current members/vendors/staff/community would not be paralyzed by some piece of shit attacker.
Title: Re: Alright Time for some changes, who thinks SR needs to go to invite only
Post by: Poppyfield on May 04, 2013, 09:14 am
Hello guys, i read a lot of nice word here but if we got to this kind of changes, is because this market is getting less and less accessible every day..
so the question here is do we want a free market open to averyone that doesnt work, or works well a couple of days a week....or do we want a full functional market with a limited access but still not completly private?
Im all for the freedom,but i prefer the second one...
ppfld
Title: Re: Alright Time for some changes, who thinks SR needs to go to invite only
Post by: Poppyfield on May 04, 2013, 09:21 am
quote
What if membership is closed and made semi-private for a temporary period while DPR and his team regroup and rethink their security arrangements?
Atleast all current members/vendors/staff/community would not be paralyzed by some piece of shit attacker.
end quote

i like that...why not?
There's a old wisdom sayin: "You cant have full barrell of wine  and be drunk at the same time..."
Title: Re: Alright Time for some changes, who thinks SR needs to go to invite only
Post by: itsthecops on May 04, 2013, 10:44 am
Anyone think this is a step towards a pay per use model?
It's a good tactic.  Vendor accounts are $500+ already, while other sites are just $25.

Monthly accounts for buyer access = $60. / mo.   
That's my price, i'd pay to get good speed or even VPN access in.

Then they could lock out the account that is attacking anytime anyone is an ass.
Title: Re: Alright Time for some changes, who thinks SR needs to go to invite only
Post by: imghost9 on May 04, 2013, 10:51 am
What if membership is closed and made semi-private for a temporary period while DPR and his team regroup and rethink their security arrangements?
Atleast all current members/vendors/staff/community would not be paralyzed by some piece of shit attacker.

I think this Is the best thing for Silk Road right now. Definetly think we need a fresh start
Title: Re: Alright Time for some changes, who thinks SR needs to go to invite only
Post by: NickNack on May 04, 2013, 10:56 am
Anyone think this is a step towards a pay per use model?
It's a good tactic.  Vendor accounts are $500+ already, while other sites are just $25.

Monthly accounts for buyer access = $60. / mo.   
That's my price, i'd pay to get good speed or even VPN access in.

Then they could lock out the account that is attacking anytime anyone is an ass.

I think a site can be DDOS'd without the hacker being a member... thus this solution would do nothing.

Just look at the .gov's anon attacked... I highly doubt Anon had logon info for the FBI/CIA/DOJ etc.
Title: Re: Alright Time for some changes, who thinks SR needs to go to invite only
Post by: p1klz on May 06, 2013, 05:55 am
SR going invite only - Dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb!!!
Title: Re: Alright Time for some changes, who thinks SR needs to go to invite only
Post by: worm11 on May 06, 2013, 11:28 am
Using the word dumb that's a bit rich coming from someone who just today asked how he could meet a vendor in real life.

Hey Oz it's Quincy, I've been dying to get in touch with you man!! How do we do bizzo IRL?
Title: Re: Alright Time for some changes, who thinks SR needs to go to invite only
Post by: HeatFireFlame on May 06, 2013, 02:21 pm
Due to all the noobs, and the explosion growth of SR. I think aswell as a couple other member. SR should go to invite only.
Some guide lines I thought of.
 Invites should be give by purchase stats, and activity, The reddit, needs to go. Invites screening process should be on a tor like irc, tested on dosage knowledge, PGP, and should be given sparingly. Invite screening should cost amount of btc. This would make sure that the new member understand how to get btc, how to use pgp, and is not going to over dosage and die. All noob friendly tuts need to be locked down and removed. Sorry guys, we need smart people here that are technology inclined.  We need people that learn by research, not by getting there handheld. This is just fine tuning this machine. Cutting out the fat.

This will cut out the dumb questions. Training Session is over, people need to learn and research themselves.

Fewer Scammers, This will make the Feedback for vendors more legit, and cut down I on vendor bluffing I.e making new accounts and buying drugs from your vendor account make it seem like you have good feedback.

Safer for everyone. Obviously makes it hard for L.E to see whats going on.

Cons:
Fewer buyers( but really S.R vendors are making a profit still and still selling out)

If you can think of anything else to this disscusion, that would be great, talk about the pros and cons on invite only.

Mods a poll would be great if you could add one also

While i agree something has to be done, this is not the way to go about it. Sr cannot go invite only that is outlandish and so is a minimum buy in of $3000, I can tell you straight that if i was asked to put in $3000 minimum when i was new to a site i would walk away and never come back. People need to be able to come and go as they please and feel comfortable before making purchases.

And you do realize noobs make up a hell of a lot of business on SR? this is meant to be a community . Nobody who doesn't want to hold somebody's hand all the way doesn't have to, You can simply ignore their posts and get on with your own business. The tutorials and countless helpful members on here who give advice and tutorials is invaluable to some and even me. Nobody knows everything so it's great to have a place where you can ask questions and learn.

when i first started i was shit at the whole idea of things, Now it's like riding a bike, you just do it. And so will everybody else with time and im so glad there were people on here that were kind enough to help me out! you cant just say only people with experience are aloud to use SR and especially not invite only, who is going to take the time to send these invites etc? and it would only be a certain amount of time before somebody figured out an exploit for that anyway. The mods are working overtime to try ad stop spammers etc constantly. Scout is on here fucking 18 hours a day clearing up spam alone so there is no way they have the time to send out invites.

The amount of revenue loss would be unreal as well. It is a marketplace, if noobs want to be stupid and not use PGP that's their own fault, but that is also their own problem.
DPR and mods are working on a new security system as we speak, So you SRMOD2 is basically on the way. all we need is advanced security nothing more. You dont wanna help the noobs? Fine just ignore them, Nobody is Pming you constantly for advice and telling you to help them do this and that, If they were you are perfectly within your rights to say "no thanks im too busy" Simple.

thanks to all the mods and DPR for making the marketplace friendly for everyone. I would not be where i am today without you. the help i have received from fellow members as well is unbelievable. And in turn i like to think i have helped a few noobs along the way. It's the way it should be and SR should not be limited to elitists only.
Title: Re: Alright Time for some changes, who thinks SR needs to go to invite only
Post by: Razorspyne on May 06, 2013, 03:28 pm

Wow. THIS thread sure backfired with a bang.... ::)

You're Welcome. ;)

Piece, Love, and Fuck Haters.




first off fuck you op!! that being said i would have no problem making SR similiar to a costco where members pay either a monthly fee or annual fee to be a member here

....erm? 0:)
Title: Re: Alright Time for some changes, who thinks SR needs to go to invite only
Post by: p1klz on May 06, 2013, 03:43 pm
Using the word dumb that's a bit rich coming from someone who just today asked how he could meet a vendor in real life.

Hey Oz it's Quincy, I've been dying to get in touch with you man!! How do we do bizzo IRL?


Did you take the time to read any of Oz's prior posts or just that particular one? If you did then maybe you wouldn't have felt the urge to butt in the way you did. Also not to mention the private correspondence between Oz and I that ceased approx 16 days ago which indicated he was only doing business IRL due to the volatility of the bitcoins atm? I guess not.  I've only just started being able to post on the forum as of like 2 days ago and he's only been on the forums and not SR for the last 16 days or so making this the only way I could ask him something I've already asked him numerous times in my unanswered private correspondence with him. But hey, thanks for butting in  and coming across as a total dumb cunt yourself. Maybe next time you'll mind your own fucking business instead of going trawling for quotes to try and belittle people with. Faget.
Title: Re: Alright Time for some changes, who thinks SR needs to go to invite only
Post by: F600 on May 06, 2013, 04:11 pm
Haha 3k to join that would be way over the top, vendor accounts are a fraction of that lol.... and invite only concepts are complicated enough as it is, that would have had to been put in place at the very beginning I would imagine. 
Title: Re: Alright Time for some changes, who thinks SR needs to go to invite only
Post by: gertin on May 06, 2013, 05:11 pm
What do people not understand about reddit? If you're not a mod and the admins don't see a need for it to be shut down, it won't be shut down. Even if the mods of that sub decide to kill it, another can be made.
Title: Re: Alright Time for some changes, who thinks SR needs to go to invite only
Post by: Razorspyne on May 07, 2013, 03:46 am
What do people not understand about reddit? If you're not a mod and the admins don't see a need for it to be shut down, it won't be shut down. Even if the mods of that sub decide to kill it, another can be made.

Is is better if the whole thing is shut down as it is an uncontrolled, outside faction that we don't have direct communication with, so we can't tell them if the information posted at any one time is the wrong information -- we cannot provide an open channel of instant support. But, if it can't be shut down, then the least we can do is not support it. I am glad that we have a fan club, but it is clearnet with no direct link to Silk Road, it would be much better for them to join Silk Road, experience it first hand, and then join the forums and discuss it the right way, protected by the anonymity of Tor.

Piece, Love, and Fuck Haters.
Title: Re: Alright Time for some changes, who thinks SR needs to go to invite only
Post by: Limetless on May 07, 2013, 03:50 am
This thread has just gone from one retard saying something stupid that has been said stupidly before to everyone saying the same thing over and over again.

Title: Re: Alright Time for some changes, who thinks SR needs to go to invite only
Post by: Chaosforpeace on May 08, 2013, 02:05 am
This thread has just gone from one retard saying something stupid that has been said stupidly before to everyone saying the same thing over and over again.
Fucking exactly

Chaos
Title: Re: Alright Time for some changes, who thinks SR needs to go to invite only
Post by: loniax on May 08, 2013, 02:49 am
Personally as someone who still gos into the ghettos to get shit weed, I would not mind SR going invite only because some kid at this party was talking about SR and I was just ehhh -_- said something about a mod/SR and didnt get anything at all. Then a friend was talking to me today about someone using SR so, I would rather we just follow rules
Title: Re: Alright Time for some changes, who thinks SR needs to go to invite only
Post by: Chaosforpeace on May 08, 2013, 03:09 am
Yea I just met up with an old friend and he said his dealer gets all of his shit from some magical place called the Silk Road. The eyes rolled so far back in my head he asked me if I needed to go to the hospital.

Chaos
Title: Re: Alright Time for some changes, who thinks SR needs to go to invite only
Post by: BloodThinner on May 08, 2013, 03:21 am
I feel SR is not ready for that yet, Has big potential for better things.
Title: Re: Alright Time for some changes, who thinks SR needs to go to invite only
Post by: BloodThinner on May 08, 2013, 03:23 am
Just thoughts.  If you can makea place  bigger than it is make it happen, Everybody will be happy. Doesnt matter how you are money makes the world go round, right Chaos my friend.
Title: Re: Alright Time for some changes, who thinks SR needs to go to invite only
Post by: Limetless on May 08, 2013, 03:40 am
Personally as someone who still gos into the ghettos to get shit weed, I would not mind SR going invite only because some kid at this party was talking about SR and I was just ehhh -_- said something about a mod/SR and didnt get anything at all. Then a friend was talking to me today about someone using SR so, I would rather we just follow rules

Right mate, please don't take this as me being condescending but what does you having to go to the ghetto to get weed have to do with the price of this years award winning Extra Mature Cheddar? Nothing at all, and on top of that this is an anonymous forum so nobody knows or really cares if you do this so please don't use this as reference as a point of authority. Also, I don't know why people pull up the "Oh yeah I was at a party and this guy I know talked about SR and some other guy did and so did his dog man but it wasn't his dog he was just on acid BUT HE WAS STILL TALKING ABOUT SR!" like this is going to cause the sky to fall down on their heads and the Apocalypse to start in all it's fiery earnest. Why does someone else talking about something automatically put you in the frame? It does not. I've had many people come up to me and talk about SR and how they get their shit from SR and one guy even talked about it so much he was telling me the full mechanics of it and how it was "the only future of drug dealing" and I just said "Oh really, I dunno sounds weird" nodded my head and smiled. The idea that people talking about it at parties and that you apparently still go to the ghettos to smoke some of your horrible shit is any reason for SR to be invite only is fairly absurd.
Title: Re: Alright Time for some changes, who thinks SR needs to go to invite only
Post by: BBB on May 08, 2013, 03:45 am
I think that can happen if you know were to look connections, security, I believe the forums are full of people who would like to make money.  Theres only one thing, maybe somebody doesnt want this to go down. That then could be a problem.  And everybofy goes looking for another jackpot. Those are my thoughts. 
Title: Re: Alright Time for some changes, who thinks SR needs to go to invite only
Post by: Razorspyne on May 08, 2013, 12:59 pm
Wow. No wonder that other guy didn't even bother responding.... ::)

Uh hum.... O0

Piece, Love, and Fuck Haters.
Title: Re: Alright Time for some changes, who thinks SR needs to go to invite only
Post by: Razorspyne on May 09, 2013, 01:34 am
subbed
Title: Re: Alright Time for some changes, who thinks SR needs to go to invite only
Post by: Chaosforpeace on May 09, 2013, 03:26 am
subbed
Man you just subbed to like 10 different threads.
Free posts galore lol.

Chaos
Title: Re: Alright Time for some changes, who thinks SR needs to go to invite only
Post by: Razorspyne on May 09, 2013, 11:08 am
Yeah I know. I wanted to know what it felt like. ::) Turns out I didn't feel a thing. :-\

Piece, Love, and Fuck Haters.
Title: Re: Alright Time for some changes, who thinks SR needs to go to invite only
Post by: Chaosforpeace on May 09, 2013, 07:44 pm
Because I have posted so much recently the show replies to your post section is four pages long.

Chaos