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Discussion => Silk Road discussion => Topic started by: Rent0n on April 07, 2013, 03:59 am
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apparently BZ was tested by the US Government just as LSD was on the public without their knowledge... i did a little web search a week ago and found out it is supposedly 100X stronger than LSD (10 micrograms active dose or something like that) and it lasts 3-4 days with after effects lasting a month or so. this is the strongest hallucinogen known to man but it is so crazy (terrifying hallucinations and thought processes) that it could be considered a WMD.
i just found this interesting cus im sure most people have never heard of BZ. if you guys look it up or heard some crazy stories about it, id love to hear what you go. peace and love
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Yep, it was tested as part of the MK-ULTRA program, but the "on the unwitting public" tends to be exaggerated. They only did that in two brothels for a limited time. Mostly they performed tests on mental patients in psychiatric hospitals.
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If i recall correctly BZ is an anticholinergic "deliriant" along the lines of datura. Or to put it another way, you don't want no part of that shit.
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A Hollywood movie called, Jacobs Ladder. Is all a out this.
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From what I remember, according to the movie , - a LSD chemist got busted in california during viet nam war. He was punished to join the army and assist with chemistry .
This LSD chemist worked with others to develop BZ . In the end the soldiers it was given to , started killing each other instead of the enemy. There was a few survivors .
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From what I remember, according to the movie , - a LSD chemist got busted in california during viet nam war. He was punished to join the army and assist with chemistry .
This LSD chemist worked with others to develop BZ . In the end the soldiers it was given to , started killing each other instead of the enemy. There was a few survivors .
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Eddie's right, as usual, it was a deliriant, not a hallucinogen.
hxxp://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2012/12/17/121217fa_fact_khatchadourian?currentPage=all
very brief excerpt - it is a 5 page article, it's too long to c/p here, but it's good -
After receiving a security clearance, Ketchum was told that EA 2277 was 3-quinuclidinyl benzilate, or BZ—a pharmaceutical, intended as an ulcer therapy, that was rejected after tests found it unsuitable. Infinitesimal amounts could send people into total mental disorder. BZ is an anticholinergic, similar to atropine or scopolamine, which are used in medicine today. At high doses, such drugs trigger delirium—a dreamlike insanity usually forgotten after it subsides. Sim, one of the first doctors to try BZ, later proclaimed that it “zonked” him for three days. “I kept falling down,” he said. “The people at the lab assigned someone to follow me around with a mattress.”
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It's been about 20 years, but I think I remember reading that BZ, along with LSD, were being tested by the government in 60's in hopes of developing a " truth serum " . With the cold war and the threat of spies, US needed a way to make people tell the truth. These days, I think we just find water boarding to be more cost effective to the tax payer. ;D
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Eddie's right, as usual, it was a deliriant, not a hallucinogen.
hxxp://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2012/12/17/121217fa_fact_khatchadourian?currentPage=all
very brief excerpt - it is a 5 page article, it's too long to c/p here, but it's good -
After receiving a security clearance, Ketchum was told that EA 2277 was 3-quinuclidinyl benzilate, or BZ—a pharmaceutical, intended as an ulcer therapy, that was rejected after tests found it unsuitable. Infinitesimal amounts could send people into total mental disorder. BZ is an anticholinergic, similar to atropine or scopolamine, which are used in medicine today. At high doses, such drugs trigger delirium—a dreamlike insanity usually forgotten after it subsides. Sim, one of the first doctors to try BZ, later proclaimed that it “zonked” him for three days. “I kept falling down,” he said. “The people at the lab assigned someone to follow me around with a mattress.”
it's actually both. deliriants are a class of hallucinogen.
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it's actually both. deliriants are a class of hallucinogen.
[dopeslap to back of own head] Excellent point, thank you :)
There's an emedicine page on this? Wow.
http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/833238-overview#showall
partial clip:
"Incapacitating agent" is a military term used to denote an agent that temporarily and nonlethally impairs the performance of an enemy by targeting the central nervous system (CNS). Of those substances investigated by the military, anticholinergic agents best fit these criteria and are stable enough for use in war. As far back as 184 BC, Hannibal's army used belladonna plants to induce disorientation in enemies. In 1672, the Bishop of Muenster used belladonna-containing grenades in his campaigns.
Approximately 300 years later, the US Army explored several classes of drugs, as well as noise, microwaves, and photostimulation, and found none to be as promising incapacitating agents as the anticholinergics. Stimulants such as cocaine, amphetamines, and nicotine were tested but did not have the potency to be an airborne threat. Depressants (eg, barbiturates, opiates, neuroleptics) similarly were found to be impractical for battlefield use. The unpredictable behavior incurred by psychedelic agents (ie, lysergic acid diethylamide [LSD], phencyclidine [PCP]) led to an early halt in the testing of that particular class of drugs.
By the mid-1960s, after a decade of tests, the US Army concluded that the long-acting anticholinergic 3-quinuclidinyl benzilate (BZ) was the best candidate for weaponization and deployment. BZ subsequently was stockpiled in American military arsenals from the mid-1960s through the late-1980s. The US military was not alone in its attempt to develop an incapacitating agent in the 20th century. Seven years after the conclusion of the Gulf War, the British Foreign Ministry revealed, in February 1998, the existence of an Iraqi chemical warfare agent believed to be a glycolate anticholinergic, similar, if not identical, to BZ. It was dubbed "Agent 15." Little information is known publicly about Agent 15. For this reason, also refer to CBRNE - Incapacitating Agents, 3-Quinuclidinyl Benzilate.
Pathophysiology
BZ is the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) code for 3-quinuclidinyl benzilate, a glycolate anticholinergic also known as 3-QNB. Both BZ and its Iraqi look-alike, Agent 15, are competitive inhibitors of the effects of acetylcholine at the postsynaptic muscarinic receptors in the peripheral and central nervous systems. In the peripheral nervous system, this inhibition is observed in the smooth muscle, autonomic ganglia, and exocrine glands. BZ's ability to readily cross the blood-brain barrier allows it to wreak havoc on the CNS, causing mental status changes and delirium.
A common problem in developing a chemical warfare agent is finding an effective and reliable chemical. The glycolate anticholinergics (eg, BZ, Agent 15) fit this description. Extremely stable, these chemicals have a half-life of 3-4 weeks in moist air and even longer on surfaces or in soil. Absorption of glycolates can occur following inhalation, ingestion, or cutaneous exposure. Only small doses of this potent drug are needed to produce delirium. The dose of BZ needed to incapacitate 50% of those exposed is 6.2 mcg/kg, compared to 140 mcg/kg for atropine.
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THANKS TO WHOEVER GAVE ME -1 KARMA... ALL I DID WAS ASK A QUESTION ABOUT A TOPIC I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT...
I KNOW KARMA DONT MEAN MUCH BUT STILL... WHATS UP WITH THAT?
I have just +1'd you; just for asking questions =]
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THANKS TO WHOEVER GAVE ME -1 KARMA... ALL I DID WAS ASK A QUESTION ABOUT A TOPIC I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT...
I KNOW KARMA DONT MEAN MUCH BUT STILL... WHATS UP WITH THAT?
I have just +1'd you; just for asking questions =]
thanks for ballancing me out ;)
and thanks to everyone for posting information on this topic... its a great read!