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Discussion => Security => Topic started by: PBmolly on April 04, 2013, 09:44 pm
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Two cops from homeland secuity knocked on my door today. Not sure why they are here. My friend ordered a package from Canada. They called my cellphone after they knocked and left a message. What to do?
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Did your friend order it to your house? what was the order? was it a large order also? Another thing how would they call you? did you give the vender your phone number or anything and last what type of message did they leave you?
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No he has orders shipped to a PO box in his name. They must have came to the PO box store and requested the address. They also had his cell phone number on file, bc they have a system that calls or messages ur phone when a package arrives. The voicemail said the officers name, he stated he was from Homeland Security and he wants to talk left a number with an out of state area code. Said something about my friend not being in trouble, if he talks to them, they said they were not interested in him they were interested in someone else. He ordered somewhere in between 30-84 g of Mol I think from up north. What should I tell him to do ? No is not planning on talking to them.
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Do you know which vendor he ordered from?
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Yes I do, But I would prefer not to disclose that in the forums. He is in the top 20% of vendors I think and been a trustworthy vendor with 100% feedback currently. Maybe a mod can PM me. My friend has contacted the Vendor already but has not gotten a reply yet as of now.
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so your friend is using your address for his po box? thats not possible at all has to be the same on his divers license.. did your friend get the txt message when it arrived at the ups store? because thats the only place that does that type of offering when you receive a package with tracking that i know of.. and your saying he orderd 30-84 grams of MDMA? their is no vender on here that sells in those increments at all?
your best bet is to clean house if this is real and stay away from anything bad for a little to let things cool down..
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Done.
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Why would you post this? If they did know something they could just look here to know what was in the box.
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agree with mr domestic. These cops gave you a gift. They are giving you a chance to not get in trouble, take it. Clean house, clean your computer. Call a drug lawyer, and get some proper advice. Maybe have the lawyer call them and at least sees if this is about the molly, maybe it isnt. Maybe your buddy works with someone who is being investigated. Hell, he could know someone who applied for a DHS job and the agents are doing background interviews. Maybe call the lawyer first and have him figure out what is going on.
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DHS seems a little bit excessive for an international drug shipment, I would think it would be DEA if anything. But definitely clean everything just in case.
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84g is 3oz, so maybe its possible.
Story sounds weird ... Scout will get to the bottom of it I am sure though
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A couple people were popped ordering molly from a well known Canadian vendor last month.
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A couple people were popped ordering molly from a well known Canadian vendor last month.
It's not from the same vendor as last month.
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They showed up to his door. Not me, The title of the thread was just the subject statement. Sorry for the confusion, I am not worried about posting here bc he has a clean house and they have not kicked in his door yet with a warrant yet. I messaged scout who the vendor was, hope this all works out good for my friend. Should he just act like he has no idea what they are talking about, or not talk at all and get a good lawyer.?
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He did not receive the text message that a package arrived or anything. He just had something come in yesterday successfully or the day before I think.
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A couple people were popped ordering molly from a well known Canadian vendor last month.
It's not from the same vendor as last month.
Link to discussion of that vendor/event, please?
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he needs to keep his mouth shut and talk to a lawyer. and deniy eerything they have on him if he didnt sign for it hes alright! do not talk ever people they wont have shit on you!
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If this a true story and not just another fear mongering thread: If LE had enough evidence to make an arrest, they would. Even if they just wanted you to snitch, it's more leverage... they want that deal (charge) on paper anyhow jic.
Like why bother begging people to voluntarily cooperate and answer questions when you could just torture & question them in your lair? Them asking to talk means that they are on a fishing expedition for more evidence i.e. for your friend to cave and admit wrong doing. Or, like what Redfungy said...
Maybe your buddy works with someone who is being investigated. Hell, he could know someone who applied for a DHS job and the agents are doing background interviews. Maybe call the lawyer first and have him figure out what is going on.
Yet if this was this innocent scenario, having your attorney contact them imo would definitely put him/you on their watch list/under investigation yourself. DHS agent to another DHS agent: "We just wanted to ask this guy about his neighbor, and he has his attorney call us back???... what's this guy so afraid of?"
I've had LE visit my house a few times under previously said circumstances... friend applied to some LE agency, another time they were looking for an ex-neighbor, and yet another time looking for someone I didn't even know. You have to remain calm and not panic.
"Drugs?... what drugs? I don't know nothing about no drugs. It was mailed to my PO box???... wow. That's scary. I don't know anything about that. Like, it was addressed to me??? Is some UPS store employee using my name and box??? I think for my own good, if you want to ask me any more questions I'd like to have an attorney present... I wouldn't want you trying to pin this idiot's actions on me. That's a problem I don't need."
@MrDomestic: Signing/not signing doesn't necessarily make/break LE's case against you... a signature is just a piece of evidence, not the entire case.
Do some googling and you'll find stories of LE raids made even if the receiver doesn't sign for the package... or even threw the package/equipment/drugs out. You think every LE out there is just going to walk away when he doesn't get a signature??? If so, I got a bridge to sell ya. But I do agree with you about not talking.
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Well shit. This thread has my blood pressure up for sure. Ordered MDMA a few times from Canada. Actually, I thought Canada >> US was the easiest on customs. Maybe I was wrong :( Definitely will be cleaning house with this next shipment, just in case. At least with a clean house I know I can handle the cops with a clear conscience. As in keep my mouth closed and keep my nerves under control. Honestly, assuming you're about to get caught is probably one of the best ways of keeping on your toes. This thread has actually kind of reminded me that I have grown lax.
Good luck, op. Keep us updated.
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Well shit. This thread has my blood pressure up for sure. Ordered MDMA a few times from Canada. Actually, I thought Canada >> US was the easiest on customs. Maybe I was wrong :( Definitely will be cleaning house with this next shipment, just in case. At least with a clean house I know I can handle the cops with a clear conscience. As in keep my mouth closed and keep my nerves under control. Honestly, assuming you're about to get caught is probably one of the best ways of keeping on your toes. This thread has actually kind of reminded me that I have grown lax.
Good luck, op. Keep us updated.
Blood pressure skyward when these threads pop up even though my orders are smallish ;D
It seems like the last few decent sized seizures (only 2 confirmed through news sources) have been US bound from Canada, they seem to be on top of their shit. Most people think it's a safe pass, maybe it's time to reconsider...
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Where did I miss the thread that say's the vendor that had a intercept? I think that should be forum worthy reading.
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So should i avoid ordering from canada altogether..? seems like ppl getting busted ordering from a top vendor last month and apparently again this month from a diff vendor..
Is it a secret which vendor this happened to last month, nd which vendor this thread is about?
If so, maybe ill get molly from UK instead, or maybe Germany..
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canada moves higher volume. i still think canada is the easiest. the people busted last month were for 100g and it was from LL.
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Okay guys Silkroad is a public playground LE is crawling on here. If one of the top vendors is shipping from a non-flagged country you can bet your fucking ass they will look at packages originating from that area/country more closely. To say that Canada has more package volume and isn't overseas doesn't make it invincible, you take a risk when you order things like these. If you had it sent to a falsely registered PO box then it would be very difficult for them to trace you down provided that you take all necessary precautions in picking it up, (calling a cab from a burner phone in front of a multi story complex to the PO box)
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I always thought that LE doesnt attempt controlled delivery or get warrants for smaller amounts (less than 100 or 200 grams) becasue it was a waste of their time and resources and it takes a,lot of money and planning to attempt conrolled delivery. Its possible, but unlikely that maybe LE was the vendor in questiom and he forwarded your name to the US HMS.
aslo, like the HMS officers stated, it wasnt about you, but about someone else. Its possible thsat this is completely unrelated, and that your pack will show up uneventful.
But always exercize of side of caution if your not sure!
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Whew. I have never ordered from LL (the general reviews/feelings on shipping method/security and product quality always seemed hit and miss. At least seemed that way to me.) I hope my trusted vendor remains trusted :x
And I remain free :/
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Whew. I have never ordered from LL (the general reviews/feelings on shipping method/security and product quality always seemed hit and miss. At least seemed that way to me.) I hope my trusted vendor remains trusted :x
And I remain free :/
??? I've only read good things about LL and his product. Also, this was not one of his packages.
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Well shit. This thread has my blood pressure up for sure. Ordered MDMA a few times from Canada. Actually, I thought Canada >> US was the easiest on customs. Maybe I was wrong :( Definitely will be cleaning house with this next shipment, just in case. At least with a clean house I know I can handle the cops with a clear conscience. As in keep my mouth closed and keep my nerves under control. Honestly, assuming you're about to get caught is probably one of the best ways of keeping on your toes. This thread has actually kind of reminded me that I have grown lax.
Good luck, op. Keep us updated.
I know about the seizures of MDMA from Canada, at least from one vendor, not sure if it is the same one you guys are talking about though. All of those orders were for multiple kilos of MDMA, and he kept sending out more packages even after he kept getting them seized. I think a lot of people were busted from this, although some of the smarter ones used fake ID boxes and were spared.
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Call a lawyer, and have them talk to them!!!
Dont be stupid, you know nothing of the law!!!
Period.
Or Do not call at all, and keep clean for a while!!!!!
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Who is "LL"
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Who is "LL"
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Okay guys Silkroad is a public playground LE is crawling on here. If one of the top vendors is shipping from a non-flagged country you can bet your fucking ass they will look at packages originating from that area/country more closely. To say that Canada has more package volume and isn't overseas doesn't make it invincible, you take a risk when you order things like these. If you had it sent to a falsely registered PO box then it would be very difficult for them to trace you down provided that you take all necessary precautions in picking it up, (calling a cab from a burner phone in front of a multi story complex to the PO box)
True this is-----wish you would post some more of your stupid simple sense!!! Sometimes we dont see it through the clutter:}
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Who is "LL"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQcAzie9AJ0
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LL i luckylucianno
Product has never been questioned ( not sure where that part of his post came from ) but security did have a problem about 5-6 weeks ago.
However its the same problem CF may find out ... too many shipped international packs with tracking.
If you can trust your customers, its best not to use tracking I think now.
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Here's what I want to know...
Was this the only package that was ever sent to the PO Box (as in, was this PO box set up only to receive packages from that one vendor?)
Was there other mail sent to the PO Box?
Also region you are in would be helpful.
Here's what i'm thinking. Buyer was having only this package sent to the PO Box. Which would raise a SHIT TON OF FLAGS. This is all contingent upon the answer though.
Maybe PO Boxes aren't as safe as we thought they'd be.
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Here's what I want to know...
Was this the only package that was ever sent to the PO Box (as in, was this PO box set up only to receive packages from that one vendor?)
Was there other mail sent to the PO Box?
Also region you are in would be helpful.
Here's what i'm thinking. Buyer was having only this package sent to the PO Box. Which would raise a SHIT TON OF FLAGS. This is all contingent upon the answer though.
Maybe PO Boxes aren't as safe as we thought they'd be.
PO boxes do not have the same plausible dependability that a home address does.
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Here's what I want to know...
Was this the only package that was ever sent to the PO Box (as in, was this PO box set up only to receive packages from that one vendor?)
Was there other mail sent to the PO Box?
Also region you are in would be helpful.
Here's what i'm thinking. Buyer was having only this package sent to the PO Box. Which would raise a SHIT TON OF FLAGS. This is all contingent upon the answer though.
Maybe PO Boxes aren't as safe as we thought they'd be.
PO boxes do not have the same plausible dependability that a home address does.
Thats kind of irrelevant to what i'm trying to get across.
If the buyer was just having the same package sent to the PO box once every x days. Its got to raise some suspicions as to why this person is only receiving the same package over and over again. Possibly at a different weight as well.
If I worked at PO Box center and saw someone was receiving the same package all the time, and it weighed differently. Common sense would tell me something is going on.
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LL i luckylucianno
Product has never been questioned ( not sure where that part of his post came from ) but security did have a problem about 5-6 weeks ago.
However its the same problem CF may find out ... too many shipped international packs with tracking.
If you can trust your customers, its best not to use tracking I think now.
There has never been any issue with LL's products. The bottom line is when you ship this many packages there's bound to be some issues as LL said we have pretty much found this out as well. The Onus is on the customer as well to be alert and diligent.
We will not be using tracked packages for anytime in the near future.
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He did not receive the text message that a package arrived or anything. He just had something come in yesterday successfully or the day before I think.
I'd tell him not to say shit and call a lawyer.
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DHS handles drugs now too? That's news to me, I always thought it would be DEA or the FEDS...But even the FEDS don't really handle drugs cases anymore either ever since 9/11..
Tell your friend don't call a lawyer right away.. Have one on standby. It's DHS and f or a shipment that small it would be a waste of time for them. I see it passed to the DEA and local police as they would have a field day for 3 zips.. Having a lawyer call would only make him look suspicious and have him looked into more..Because LE are a bunch of curious set of people..Find out what they want first by calling, it could be nothing..If in fact they do start to harass him about drugs or something that implicates him doing something illegal along with evidence than I think it would be necessary to call a lawyer...
Why look guilty when trying to look innocent? As mentioned above it could be someone applying for a federal job and doing a background check or something else that has to do with national security...
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While this story may have some merit to it, many people are reporting they got their packages just fine today from CF.
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My friend has still not heard a word from any LE as of now. He has not talked to anyone but a few close friends who he can trust. If he does ever talk to someone, he will not say anything and will have his lawyer talk and deny everything. My friend had been using SR for a little bit, had a few other successful packages come through from all over the world, he never had one not show until now. I still do not want to give out who the vendor was, but Im sure if you do some reading you can figure it out yourself, and it is not LL just to make things clear. The vendor was very quick to offer a full refund of the package to my friend. The package was shipped tracked prob was gonna be in a package bc the amount. This was very nice of the vendor, as in im sure he will be needing the funds for a good lawyer. The vendor shows positive feedback on other similar size packages, that came though around the same time, and is still at 100% feedback. I am thinking about starting up a donation bitcoin address for my friend to help cover lawyer costs and court fees. Would anyone be interested in donating or is it not worth the time? I will try and keep everyone updated.
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His PO box was being used for SR for a little bit and also real items randomly. And sorry PB stands for Peanut Butter , Pussy Beater, Play Boy, but not a college town in Cali. On top of my friend has the problem not me.
maple- why do you say PO boxes do not have the same plausible denial that a home address does.? Anyone could have tried to set him up, and send him illegal things.
I hope everyone is staying safe out there, and do not wish this on anyone.
Stay smart and order domestically right now to be very safe or from a very trusted vendor with insane stealth, as in if the cops open the pak they still will have no idea whats in it.
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Calls and love letters from DHS is standard when customs seize. Time to abandon that box. And all, be careful with po box's, curious post masters may leave slips in your box, to visually inspect/profile you.
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I am thinking about starting up a donation bitcoin address for my friend to help cover lawyer costs and court fees. Would anyone be interested in donating or is it not worth the time? I will try and keep everyone updated.
now the whole story sounds suspect.
Two cops from homeland secuity knocked on my door today. Not sure why they are here. My friend ordered a package from Canada. They called my cellphone after they knocked and left a message. What to do?
first post says cops were at your door and called your cellphone, and then story is changed to knocked on friends door and called friends cellphone?
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suwhoopb- Unfortunately the story is real. I wish it was made up. I was just asking, I am trying to help my friend as much as possible, he is a very good guy and only was trying to help other people out. I did not even post a address yet, I was simply asking. I guess its not a good idea bc ppl think I'm trying to scam them out of some change. Please just send some positive karma his way!
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I initially had suspicions about this thread but now i'm def leaning over to false... You wanna set up a bitcoin account to help a friend that isn't even charged with anything??
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This is ridiculous I posted here to help other people out, and people just keep accusing me as a fake or trying to scam people somehow. I WILL NOT be posting a bitcoins address, damn it was an idea to help out a friend that is scared shitless right now with the FEDS on his ass. But no one is interested so I will not. Read around in the other sections, even the vendor is confirming the transaction.
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Whew. I have never ordered from LL (the general reviews/feelings on shipping method/security and product quality always seemed hit and miss. At least seemed that way to me.) I hope my trusted vendor remains trusted :x
And I remain free :/
??? I've only read good things about LL and his product. Also, this was not one of his packages.
Yeah I try to take most reviews with a grain of salt. For some odd reason, there are trigger-happy buyers who are eager to give 1-star reviews and complain that they didn't get a free pedicure with their order of drugs. I understand that. Overall LL seems decent. Usually I'll mentally stay away from a vendor if I see a negative trend of reviews with certain negative characteristics and if they can seem to have credibility. I haven't checked LL's reviews recently, but maybe things have changed in that respect. I'll have to check again, I admit. But I do remember some security incidents mentioned.
I'm not saying that I take a 1-star review only saying "vendor sucks." to heart. I actually disregard those. But it's generally the detailed descriptions of how things played out, and, as I said before I remember talk of some incident.
Thanks for the character check though. I'll do a bit more research next time before saying anything negative, especially if the storm's blown over and I didn't know about it.
Cheers all
-PS
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My friend has still not heard a word from any LE as of now. He has not talked to anyone but a few close friends who he can trust. If he does ever talk to someone, he will not say anything and will have his lawyer talk and deny everything. My friend had been using SR for a little bit, had a few other successful packages come through from all over the world, he never had one not show until now. I still do not want to give out who the vendor was, but Im sure if you do some reading you can figure it out yourself, and it is not LL just to make things clear. The vendor was very quick to offer a full refund of the package to my friend. The package was shipped tracked prob was gonna be in a package bc the amount. This was very nice of the vendor, as in im sure he will be needing the funds for a good lawyer. The vendor shows positive feedback on other similar size packages, that came though around the same time, and is still at 100% feedback. I am thinking about starting up a donation bitcoin address for my friend to help cover lawyer costs and court fees. Would anyone be interested in donating or is it not worth the time? I will try and keep everyone updated.
Wow man. Sounds like a shitty situation to be in. I hope it all works out.
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aussiepp- Yes very, I hope it all works out for my friend as well, he has still not heard anything from any LE yet. He is in the process of living it up, in case he gets popped for some dumb reason.
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Youre friend should be laying low right now, and keeping his nose clean. Dont be stupid, just because they didnt kick down his door doesnt mean they never will or arent watching him. And PB if you are LE or a bullshitter troll, go fuck yourself.
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Will someone tell me how a box set up in a fake name helps you? You still have to pick up a package from a location...
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agree with mr domestic. These cops gave you a gift. They are giving you a chance to not get in trouble, take it. Clean house, clean your computer. Call a drug lawyer, and get some proper advice. Maybe have the lawyer call them and at least sees if this is about the molly, maybe it isnt. Maybe your buddy works with someone who is being investigated. Hell, he could know someone who applied for a DHS job and the agents are doing background interviews. Maybe call the lawyer first and have him figure out what is going on.
...If this visit wasn't about drugs, I think it's highly unadvised to openly admit he ordered anything at all. OP needs to deny everything, do not disclose any information to law enforcement ever.
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Will someone tell me how a box set up in a fake name helps you? You still have to pick up a package from a location...
In the tiny percentage of cases where you know ahead of time that the package is compromised, you can abandon the box and not get in trouble. LE will have no idea who you really are or how to find you. In the vast majority of cases where you don't know the package is compromised, it doesn't help you at all, and in fact can make the situation worse, because you took a positive action to pick it up.
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A mailbox in a fake name would be more useful if every package you receive contains a light sensor to warn you if it is opened. However, I think LE would catch on to that, start x-raying packages to find those devices, and open in them in dark rooms.
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PB will you pm me? I also ordered from CF. Thanks.
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I know for a fact they visited him bc of what was in the package. I find it odd that they showed up at his door and then called and messaged him, but have not made any other effort to contact him. I feel like if they wanted to bust his ass they would have kicked in the door with a warrant. Or came back the following day with one, unless they are still investigating and trying to collect more information. The part that is bugging my friend is that the DHS agent that messaged and called him has an out of state area code, and it seems to be a personal / work cell phone. Is this DHS agent in town just for this case? The town he lives in is not huge but not small, the 2nd or 3rd largest city in the state.
-JohnSnow- PM'ed you!
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I've never ever read so much BULL SHITT in all my life to me it sounds like the reciever of this so called package has been caught for something else and is trying to set someone up or scam something out of someone what utter bullshit man if devils came to your door for whatever they wouldn't be knocking plus they would've rung you to cut a deal not just be looking for you what utter shit n lies and more fucking lies just remember if you do snitch you will pay for it we're watching you and know so if you do
snitch grow eyes in the back of your heads ok both of you think I'm joking ok then I'm done ha ha ha ha ha done get it
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I know for a fact they visited him bc of what was in the package.
Now how do you know this all of a sudden???
The number being from out of state means nothing... if you've ever known anyone that has been locked up/brought to an ICE/DHS facility, you'll get all sorts of weird caller ID's. Their phone system is weird in other ways as well: like if you try to hold your phone up to some music etc. for your loved one, something recognizes it and auto disconnects you. Stupid I mention that, but I found it weird... tested it a few times since I got curious to why I was getting disconnected only when loud music was in the background.
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I've never ever read so much BULL SHITT in all my life to me it sounds like the reciever of this so called package has been caught for something else and is trying to set someone up or scam something out of someone what utter bullshit man if devils came to your door for whatever they wouldn't be knocking plus they would've rung you to cut a deal not just be looking for you what utter shit n lies and more fucking lies just remember if you do snitch you will pay for it we're watching you and know so if you do
snitch grow eyes in the back of your heads ok both of you think I'm joking ok then I'm done ha ha ha ha ha done get it
Please fuck off phoboss, I am trying to help others out here, and try and help my friend as much as possible. HOW THE FUCK AM I TRYING TO SCAM OR SNITCH PPL OUT BY POSTING THIS!
I swear half the people on these forums are total fuck heads that think they are the shit BC they know how to use SR (prob also the ones that buy BK-MDMA and 25i and sell as real stuff in real life) , and the other half are very nice helpful people trying to spread the love around.
How can I make this up, if the vender even admits to this package getting popped. It was tracked.
So please if you do not believe my posts about my friend, please leave now and do not even waste your time posting your crazy fucking ideas that I am a cop or a snitch somehow.
ok I am done now, sorry for my bitch session.
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Yoda- I know this bc my friend told me they messaged him saying " We have your package, we need to talk" as well as in the original voice mail he said. " I think you know why we are here". As well as my friend said the package should have arrived that day. As well as the vendor tracked the package and it showed it was intercepted.
I still find it very odd the DHS agent sent him two text messages, but I have looked at his phone myself and read them. Why would they waste there time with texts and not call his phone or show up at his door again?
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what state or coast do you live in, so that we have a general idea on where this is happening
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Midwest / Central US Area. Somewhere around there. Guessing the closest customs entry point is Chicago, IL, but this is just a guess.
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If this a true story and not just another fear mongering thread: If LE had enough evidence to make an arrest, they would. Even if they just wanted you to snitch, it's more leverage... they want that deal (charge) on paper anyhow jic.
Like why bother begging people to voluntarily cooperate and answer questions when you could just torture & question them in your lair? Them asking to talk means that they are on a fishing expedition for more evidence i.e. for your friend to cave and admit wrong doing. Or, like what Redfungy said...
Maybe your buddy works with someone who is being investigated. Hell, he could know someone who applied for a DHS job and the agents are doing background interviews. Maybe call the lawyer first and have him figure out what is going on.
Yet if this was this innocent scenario, having your attorney contact them imo would definitely put him/you on their watch list/under investigation yourself. DHS agent to another DHS agent: "We just wanted to ask this guy about his neighbor, and he has his attorney call us back???... what's this guy so afraid of?"
I've had LE visit my house a few times under previously said circumstances... friend applied to some LE agency, another time they were looking for an ex-neighbor, and yet another time looking for someone I didn't even know. You have to remain calm and not panic.
"Drugs?... what drugs? I don't know nothing about no drugs. It was mailed to my PO box???... wow. That's scary. I don't know anything about that. Like, it was addressed to me??? Is some UPS store employee using my name and box??? I think for my own good, if you want to ask me any more questions I'd like to have an attorney present... I wouldn't want you trying to pin this idiot's actions on me. That's a problem I don't need."
@MrDomestic: Signing/not signing doesn't necessarily make/break LE's case against you... a signature is just a piece of evidence, not the entire case.
Do some googling and you'll find stories of LE raids made even if the receiver doesn't sign for the package... or even threw the package/equipment/drugs out. You think every LE out there is just going to walk away when he doesn't get a signature??? If so, I got a bridge to sell ya. But I do agree with you about not talking.
DHS, ICE and a few other agencies will conduct background checks on potential employees. They need to speak with at least two people from the neighborhood / apartment complex in which the applicant previously lived. They will also visit provided references. Anyone you know that may be applying for a job?
EDIT: I just read the rest of the thread, I see that they mentioned the package. Still think this is good info
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Rule number 1 for dealing with cops: don't say anything, don't admit anything. No matter what they promise you. Remember, it is the prosecutor who will be f*cking you, not the po-po that arrive at your door. They can't promise anything, though they readily will promise anything to get you to talk!
Did anyone else know that your friend was expecting a package? I have been the butt of some pretty sick practical jokes like this in the past, and have had to cut some real funny dickheads loose because of it! Just because someone says they're LE doesn't mean they are... and it is pretty funny that DHS would be conducting a narcotics investigation! Possible, because of the stupid "narco-terrorist" BS that was pushed just after 911, but probably not - it's just not in their remit. They're a government organization, and they need to stick to their remit.
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You: Hello i was left a message to call you, how can i help you?
Swine: Yes, this is Jack Meoff from DHS, Bill Mcfed that you wen to high school with applied for a job to fondle other people at an airport recently and we wanted to know if you think he is creepy enough for the position?
You: ya he's perfect, not too smart either. will fit right in!
Swine: Thanks for your help!
#2
You: hello...
Swine: Do you know Bill Dumbass?
you: sorry what is this about?
Swine: You know what you and Bill did. that stuff you ordered from Canada showed up, did you pick it up yet?
you: don't understand what you are talking about, can you tell me what this is about please?
Swine: we are going to put you away for a really long time we know everything. we know it was Bill idea and not yours but you will goto prison for a long time. we dont want to bother you if you didnt have anything to do with it, it wasnt your idea right?
you: must have the wrong number. no idea what you are talking about. must go now, if you have anything else you can call my lawyer. thanks. [hangup]
#3
you: hello...
Swine: Tell me about the drugs! we got you! tell us everything!
you: go fuck yourself. and call my lawyer.
Simple ;) and clean house ASAP!
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I know for a fact this is about a "package" my friend got. And DHS does get involved with drugs that are shipped internationally. DHS are customs investigation enforcers pretty much. Also the vendor has confirmed that all of his packages sent around the same time and same package style and possibly same return address are "stuck" in customs. The tracking numbers prove this. He has changed his shipping method and packages and successfully coming though now.
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Whew. I have never ordered from LL (the general reviews/feelings on shipping method/security and product quality always seemed hit and miss. At least seemed that way to me.) I hope my trusted vendor remains trusted :x
And I remain free :/
??? I've only read good things about LL and his product. Also, this was not one of his packages.
I hope you are right... I have a pending shipment thats been 15 days in waiting with no communication. I just sent another message today and am waiting to hear back from LL. Fingers crossed?
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This did happen to LL a few weeks ago tho, but I'm almost positive he has changed his stealth and only sends untracked letters now, which should get though with no problem. Still a chance getting anything from across borders. Hope it shows up for you!
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I would also like to set up a BC address to help pay for Pb's friends lawyer who he dose not need as he has not had any charges pressed against him! ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
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Get busted now and then get out to retire on the coins you would've spent. Haha Jk! I wonder something like this happened to someone!
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you: hello...
Swine: Tell me about the drugs! we got you! tell us everything!
you: go fuck yourself. and call my lawyer.
Simple ;) and clean house ASAP!
If you know its about the pack, use scenario #2 or #3 form above, or just don't call. You don't have to talk to the cops.
And LOL - some narco swine on here -1 that post.... ;D
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There are no hard and fast rules on how LE will handle a situation. There are a vast amount of variables that can effect their course of action. Right off the bat I would say that your friend is lucky and has little to worry about at this time. They intercepted the package, meaning he never received it. To even try and make a case, your friend would have had to at least receive the package. If they wanted to try and bust him they would have done a controlled delivery, not intercept the package. If they wanted to start surveillance on him, they wouldn't have tipped him off that they were on to him. The fact that it was Homeland Security is probably a good thing. A small pack of molly is not something that would usually show up on their radar. It very well could have been a slow week for them and so they decided to see if they could get some information from you on who is sending the packages. As far as calling them back, I would either not do it or consult with an attorney before you do. If they had enough to bring you in for questioning, they wouldn't be giving you the choice. Even if they do have enough to bring you in, they aren't doing it. Which again tells me this isn't something high on their priority list. Now none of this means your out of the woods. Assume that Homeland Security has handed this over to local LE, and they are going to be watching you. Definitely watching what your receiving in the mail. If you plan on continuing to "do what you do" you need to move away. Your current situation is smoked.
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Although it seems unlikely an federal agent handling a case like this would identify themselves specifically as DHS, and not a sister federal LEO, as one of the affects of Bush creating DHS was merging Customs, Immigration and Border Security under the Department of Homeland Security. Which could explain why his friend was visited by someone identifying themselves as a DHS agent, allegedly.
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Still another day that my friend has had no contact from anyone. He is talking with a lawyer soon just to see what he advises. Just wanted to let everyone know he is still alive and well and not in jail. He actually even made out without losing any money at all, he actually gained some money bc of the bitcoin rise and he cashed in his coins before the recent drop.
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Just want to throw a little update in this thread. MarijuanaisMyMuse is still a safe Canadian vendor. I had an order with MMM pending when I saw this thread and was on the edge of my seat, I'll admit.
But MMM stands to be an awesome vendor and customs is no match for his/her stealth.
That is all.
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Something similar happened to me about 3 months ago.
A detective visited an old residence and gave my old neighbor his number wanting me to call him. Me being curious as to why a detective would be looking for me..I called him.
He said " I just wanna ask you some questions, trying to get some more information. I know your receiving xtc in the mail" I said " I don't know what your talking about" He then replied with, " We know your doing it, we have you on camera" I then said " I'm sorry, Have no idea what your talking about" he then chuckled, and said " Good luck" and hung up.
That was the last time I ever heard of him. I was scared shitless as I just had a pack arrive a few days before. So I went home and cleaned my house.
I've had 3 sucessful orders all from the Netherlands. But I have moved away to another county.. and i'm very careful with everyone that I do business with.
I still don't know why I ever had a visit. I did use that address numerous times in one month last year so maybe I burned the spot, but who knows.
Good luck to your mate op. Just have him clean house and don't ever use that address again.
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Two cops from homeland secuity knocked on my door today. Not sure why they are here. My friend ordered a package from Canada. They called my cellphone after they knocked and left a message. What to do?
uhmmm.. how a bout a TAD bit more information than that dude? probably the most unspecific way to ask for help.....
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Something similar happened to me about 3 months ago.
A detective visited an old residence and gave my old neighbor his number wanting me to call him. Me being curious as to why a detective would be looking for me..I called him.
He said " I just wanna ask you some questions, trying to get some more information. I know your receiving xtc in the mail" I said " I don't know what your talking about" He then replied with, " We know your doing it, we have you on camera" I then said " I'm sorry, Have no idea what your talking about" he then chuckled, and said " Good luck" and hung up.
That was the last time I ever heard of him. I was scared shitless as I just had a pack arrive a few days before. So I went home and cleaned my house.
I've had 3 sucessful orders all from the Netherlands. But I have moved away to another county.. and i'm very careful with everyone that I do business with.
I still don't know why I ever had a visit. I did use that address numerous times in one month last year so maybe I burned the spot, but who knows.
Good luck to your mate op. Just have him clean house and don't ever use that address again.
You're still going on about this?
It's lies. Police don't willingly tell you they are observing you.
Refuse to believe this.
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OP, perform a complete disk wipe.
Before you start, put Tor on USB stick if you don't have one already.
1. Download DBAN from (http://www.dban.org/) - Use tor browser.
2. Burn the image onto a cd-r or a DVD-R (bootable USB stick works also)
3. Insert the wipe disk and boot it from BIOS - Same way you'd install windows the first time onto a blank computer.
4. Let it do the work and finish
5. Re-install windows from Disk or any preferred boot media.
6. Download SlimCleaner @ (https://www.slimwareutilities.com/slimcleaner.php) - Using tor for download is optional
7. Open SlimCleaner and go to "Disk Tools" in the left hand side of the window
8. Select "Shredder" - Go to your Tor Installation folder and wipe with Guttmann method.
9. Click "Disk Wiper" and select your drive(s). If maximum paranoia, select Guttmann method from the Wipe Security-menu. From the other menu, select "Free Space Only"
10. Sit back and let it work, it will take quite an long time.
11. If you followed the steps, you now have a windows installation that is close to crystal clean. It is highly unlike that someone can recover any wiped data from your previous installation, although wipe software is never 100% dependable. Only way to get rid of data absolutely permanently is to through your computer into molten lava.
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I'm no expert in these matters and seems like there's a lot of sound advice here already, but I recommend messaging sleepyeyes2k2 on these boards. He's former LE and his advice is always worth a ton. Not sure how often he's on, but definitely worth a punt.
Good luck to your friend.
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Something similar happened to me about 3 months ago.
A detective visited an old residence and gave my old neighbor his number wanting me to call him. Me being curious as to why a detective would be looking for me..I called him.
He said " I just wanna ask you some questions, trying to get some more information. I know your receiving xtc in the mail" I said " I don't know what your talking about" He then replied with, " We know your doing it, we have you on camera" I then said " I'm sorry, Have no idea what your talking about" he then chuckled, and said " Good luck" and hung up.
That was the last time I ever heard of him. I was scared shitless as I just had a pack arrive a few days before. So I went home and cleaned my house.
I've had 3 sucessful orders all from the Netherlands. But I have moved away to another county.. and i'm very careful with everyone that I do business with.
I still don't know why I ever had a visit. I did use that address numerous times in one month last year so maybe I burned the spot, but who knows.
Good luck to your mate op. Just have him clean house and don't ever use that address again.
You're still going on about this?
It's lies. Police don't willingly tell you they are observing you.
Refuse to believe this.
Why would I lie about this? Why would anybody lie about police coming to their house?
What he tried to do was for me to do his job for him. He didn't have any evidence on me and wanted me to confess. It's a tactic that detectives do all the time.
I don't really dont care what you think though, believe me or not, I have no reason to Bulll Shit
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MrAnonymous- You are completely wrong my friend. Police will do anything to try and get you to talk to them or turn yourself in. They told my friend they were on to him, I even listened to the voice mail the agent left. So please don't tell other people they are lying when you clearly don't know what you are talking about.
sbmafia- If you read the entire thread, you can get plenty of information about my friends problem. I do not feel safe going into any further details, encase LE are on these forums.
mrmdma- Thanks for the advice but, as I am a Computer Information Systems major, this has already been done. Also our PC's are fully encrypted with TrueCrypt, as well as having a 64 character YubiKey as a password.
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Some people on here are complete fucking idiots. Of course LE uses these tactics, half the time they can get people to confess because most criminals are fucking retards. And yes, of course DHS deals with these kind of issues. The DEA typically won't get involved unless it's a bigger deal. In these types of situations it's DHS and sometimes Postal Inspectors and possibly multi-agency effort depending on the magnitude. I've heard of many CD's, this is the first time I've ever used the SR but I've been ordering packages international for many years so I've heard of some really stupid shit that LE does during controlled deliveries.
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any updates on this
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Wow guys, I must admit, I ran out of popcorn right around 4th page of this tread, gotta go grab some more! Very entertaining - mix of fear, suspicion, accusations, hearsay, and speculation. I'm sure LE are digging this thread :)
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No updates, my friend has still not heard a word from LE. I am thinking they have bigger things to worry about now like the bombing and people sending poison in the mail. I hope they don't step up domestic mail inspection because of the poisoned letters.
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Still nothing as of now. I think my friend is in the clear, for now at least. His name and address may be watched from now on but who knows. I do know he accidentally ordered a shitload of mushroom spores in giant syringes and sent them to his same PO box that the package got popped, and they came through without a problem. They were not opened or tampered with in any way. He also got some random shit from ebay, just to make his PO box look legit. He is wondering if it would be even remotely safe to order one last package to this same PO box as it expires the first week of next month? Maybe they will only look into packages from overseas? Even if it is from out of the country, they still have to have a warrant to open your mail right as long as its USPS? What do you guys think? Is he pushing his luck?
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i think given all thats been said... thats definitely pushing his luck!
could be no problem at all but would he really wanna find out?
especially if he wanted to make that last order worth it.....
im sure they would find it worth it as well! but good luck friend!
i wouldnt look a gift horse in the mouth tho.. if it was me.
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and mushroom spores are legal.. so i dont see how that would
be a good indicator to green light it. imo
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A couple people were popped ordering molly from a well known Canadian vendor last month.
link????
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i think given all thats been said... thats definitely pushing his luck!
could be no problem at all but would he really wanna find out?
especially if he wanted to make that last order worth it.....
im sure they would find it worth it as well! but good luck friend!
i wouldnt look a gift horse in the mouth tho.. if it was me.
That is pretty much what I was telling him. That is some solid advice, thanks. +1 to you! Im going to convince him not to order anything to that box. Do u think changing his PO location would even do anything? Or should he get a fake/drop point ?
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i think a personal address of someone you know that has no
connection to this world at all. has a totally clean residence
and preferably a small business of some sort. that way there is plenty
of normal heavy traffic to that addy. but i guess that depends on what
quantity you plan on ordering. larger amounts may require a different plan
of action that maybe some other people on here could shed light to.