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Discussion => Silk Road discussion => Topic started by: Arcturian on April 02, 2013, 10:57 am
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Blockchain was posted on another topic: https://blockchain.info/address/1F48CymZsof76oZob8UiCAaz7P4yUdnz7M @ time of posting this (11:54 GMT) he's so far earned just under 50k. (70k @ 17:26)
I'm now down 4.7 btc & kicking myself so hard for falling for this shit. I wasnt prepared to invest until i contacted "DPR" on the main site and he replied. And at that point i jumped at the opportunity and sent this fucker 500$ because i thought that the user DPR couldnt have been unregistered and it was him. I nearly sent 1500$, so thankful i didnt. Some have lost much more then i have.
If i'd have JUST gone to sleep when i got home last night at around 4am I would have woke up and seen the hype about it on the forums. After seeing the message i stayed awake to see how this develops as i really wanted one of those apparent 250 spaces *facepalm* ... And i just went ahead with it after receiving a reply from 'DPR'... There's SO many events could have changed this for me and i wouldnt be down 500.. The butterfly effect just raped my wallet hard :-[
IM WELL AWARE OF THE FACT IM STUPID AS HELL. PLEASE DO NOT REMIND ME!
EDIT: I dont feel AS bad about my situation as i just noticed one person sent this guy over 29,000$ :o :o :o
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Blockchain was posted on another topic: https://blockchain.info/address/1F48CymZsof76oZob8UiCAaz7P4yUdnz7M @ time of posting this (11:54 GMT) he's so far earned just under 50k.
I'm now down 4.7 btc & kicking myself so hard for falling for this shit. I wasnt prepared to invest until i contacted "DPR" on the main site and he replied. And at that point i jumped at the opportunity and sent this fucker 500$ because i thought that the user DPR couldnt have been unregistered and it was him. I nearly sent 1500$, so thankful i didnt. Some have lost much more then i have.
If i'd have JUST gone to sleep when i got home last night at around 4am I would have woke up and seen the hype about it on the forums. After seeing the message i stayed awake to see how this develops as i really wanted one of those apparent 250 spaces *facepalm* ... And i just went ahead with it after receiving a reply from 'DPR'... There's SO many events could have changed this for me and i wouldnt be down 500.. The butterfly effect just raped my wallet hard :-[
IM WELL AWARE OF THE FACT IM STUPID AS HELL. PLEASE DO NOT REMIND ME!
I'm not going to break your balls buddy but what I will say is that you don't need anyone else's help to invest your Bitcoins. I would suggest you get yourself on over to the Bitcoin stock exchange (icbit.se) and invest your coins that way. I have just diversified the portfolio a little by converting some of my BTC to Litecoins but good bets are currently mining rigs (Synergy) is my fave and you can also invest in a gambling bot which plays Satoshi dice and pays out dividends fairly regularly from the profits. If you need any help getting started let me know as I'm thinking about putting together a guide for new investors on how to salt away some funds off your own back.
V.
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Blockchain was posted on another topic: https://blockchain.info/address/1F48CymZsof76oZob8UiCAaz7P4yUdnz7M @ time of posting this (11:54 GMT) he's so far earned just under 50k.
I'm now down 4.7 btc & kicking myself so hard for falling for this shit. I wasnt prepared to invest until i contacted "DPR" on the main site and he replied. And at that point i jumped at the opportunity and sent this fucker 500$ because i thought that the user DPR couldnt have been unregistered and it was him. I nearly sent 1500$, so thankful i didnt. Some have lost much more then i have.
If i'd have JUST gone to sleep when i got home last night at around 4am I would have woke up and seen the hype about it on the forums. After seeing the message i stayed awake to see how this develops as i really wanted one of those apparent 250 spaces *facepalm* ... And i just went ahead with it after receiving a reply from 'DPR'... There's SO many events could have changed this for me and i wouldnt be down 500.. The butterfly effect just raped my wallet hard :-[
IM WELL AWARE OF THE FACT IM STUPID AS HELL. PLEASE DO NOT REMIND ME!
I'm not going to break your balls buddy but what I will say is that you don't need anyone else's help to invest your Bitcoins. I would suggest you get yourself on over to the Bitcoin stock exchange (icbit.se) and invest your coins that way. I have just diversified the portfolio a little by converting some of my BTC to Litecoins but good bets are currently mining rigs (Synergy) is my fave and you can also invest in a gambling bot which plays Satoshi dice and pays out dividends fairly regularly from the profits. If you need any help getting started let me know as I'm thinking about putting together a guide for new investors on how to salt away some funds off your own back.
V.
I didnt invest thinking it was 'just' someone else though, a genuine opportunity to own a stake in silk road? Fuck yeah! Of course it wasnt genuine in the end and i'm not doubting my foolishness, but what's happened has happened. I would never knowingly part with a large sum of coins to someone with no credibility. I only purchased because i truly believed DPR himself replied, that coupled with the fact i really wanted one of those 250 spots was my downfall. And of course if you have some decent tips you think should be passed on, i wont stop you :D
By the way have you seen one guy invested 29,000$. Crazy!
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Scammers tend to try to trap people with their greed - I think the next big thing will be people who pretend to have an early investment opportunity for the successor to Bitcoins - I have been keeping my ear to the ground but haven't heard anything yet, fingers crossed.
Naturally it's easy to fake legitimacy when everyone is faceless, are you comfortable with verifying PGP signatures? That should put off most people who make some claim of officialdom - I particularly enjoyed an e-mail I received yesterday from a supposed FBI agent which ran JohnBrownfbi @ aol dot com. Seems legit! :-)
I can't predict the market better than anyone else but any mining rigs should be profitable for the time being, although it is possible the Bitcoin will come crashing back down to earth. The ones I invest in are SYNERGY and NASTY - by all means send me a message if you need help using the site.
All the best,
V.
Blockchain was posted on another topic: https://blockchain.info/address/1F48CymZsof76oZob8UiCAaz7P4yUdnz7M @ time of posting this (11:54 GMT) he's so far earned just under 50k.
I'm now down 4.7 btc & kicking myself so hard for falling for this shit. I wasnt prepared to invest until i contacted "DPR" on the main site and he replied. And at that point i jumped at the opportunity and sent this fucker 500$ because i thought that the user DPR couldnt have been unregistered and it was him. I nearly sent 1500$, so thankful i didnt. Some have lost much more then i have.
If i'd have JUST gone to sleep when i got home last night at around 4am I would have woke up and seen the hype about it on the forums. After seeing the message i stayed awake to see how this develops as i really wanted one of those apparent 250 spaces *facepalm* ... And i just went ahead with it after receiving a reply from 'DPR'... There's SO many events could have changed this for me and i wouldnt be down 500.. The butterfly effect just raped my wallet hard :-[
IM WELL AWARE OF THE FACT IM STUPID AS HELL. PLEASE DO NOT REMIND ME!
I'm not going to break your balls buddy but what I will say is that you don't need anyone else's help to invest your Bitcoins. I would suggest you get yourself on over to the Bitcoin stock exchange (icbit.se) and invest your coins that way. I have just diversified the portfolio a little by converting some of my BTC to Litecoins but good bets are currently mining rigs (Synergy) is my fave and you can also invest in a gambling bot which plays Satoshi dice and pays out dividends fairly regularly from the profits. If you need any help getting started let me know as I'm thinking about putting together a guide for new investors on how to salt away some funds off your own back.
V.
I didnt invest thinking it was 'just' someone else though, a genuine opportunity to own a stake in silk road? Fuck yeah! Of course it wasnt genuine in the end and i'm not doubting my foolishness, but what's happened has happened. I would never knowingly part with a large sum of coins to someone with no credibility. I only purchased because i truly believed DPR himself replied, that coupled with the fact i really wanted one of those 250 spots was my downfall. And of course if you have some decent tips you think should be passed on, i wont stop you :D
By the way have you seen one guy invested 29,000$. Crazy!
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Just so you know OP, user fugitive189 scammed a lot of people on SR for some money last year. He keeps laughing in my face (*sarcasm*), despite my efforts to let him know that I didn't get fucked over by him. :D
I am only looking out for you and other SR users by warning you about him.
"Scammers tend to try to trap people with their greed - I think the next big thing will be people who pretend to have an early investment opportunity for the successor to Bitcoins"
They are his words and in the same post he is recommending litecoin investments. Don't say I didn't warn you ;)
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...Because naturally I invented Litecoins...? Still laughing in your face. :-D
V.
Just so you know OP, user fugitive189 scammed a lot of people on SR for some money last year. He keeps laughing in my face, despite my efforts to let him know that I didn't get fucked over by him. :D
I am only looking out for you and other SR users by warning you about him.
"Scammers tend to try to trap people with their greed - I think the next big thing will be people who pretend to have an early investment opportunity for the successor to Bitcoins"
They are his words and in the same post he is recommending litecoin investments. Don't say I didn't warn you ;)
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lol wow
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Jesus, looks like I was wrong. People did actually send him money.
Still, I wonder if the 290 BTC was a forum member or the scammer.
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You're not stupid! Happens to all of us at some point I'm sure. I fell for the torwallet scam because I used them before and nothing happened. Then one day I put about $400+ worth of coins into my torwallet and "Hot wallet exhausted...please wait."
Honestly, the best thing to do is just let it go. Think of what you still got, and be thankful you were smart enough not to invest your whole $1500!!!
You still have your life and I'm assuming and nice pad with access to a computer and your $1,000. Fuck em, and don't fall for it again!
Good luck buddy. Bitcoin scams happened many times before and I'm sure it'll happen many times again in the future. Be careful everyone!
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You're not stupid! Happens to all of us at some point I'm sure. I fell for the torwallet scam because I used them before and nothing happened. Then one day I put about $400+ worth of coins into my torwallet and "Hot wallet exhausted...please wait."
Honestly, the best thing to do is just let it go. Think of what you still got, and be thankful you were smart enough not to invest your whole $1500!!!
You still have your life and I'm assuming and nice pad with access to a computer and your $1,000. Fuck em, and don't fall for it again!
Good luck buddy. Bitcoin scams happened many times before and I'm sure it'll happen many times again in the future. Be careful everyone!
+1 karma :) Positivity is much appreciated on days like this when the everyday SR users are down a total of 70,000 so far. Such a shame
Its cool, i'm not terribly mad about it, the blow was made alot easier to handle because i paid with the coins i got from my sellers bond (money you paid to become a seller). Yesterday i applied for the bond & received the same amount of BTC i paid in (18.80). Except they were around £10 when i paid. That few hundred was turned into 1,200 :) So that was nice, definitely would have been alot more pissed if i just purchased em. The only bad way to look at it is if it hadnt have happened i'd have £320 to blow to the wind right now, but i wont dwell ::)
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What a shame.
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Ya man your definitely no idiot. It happens to us all.
When I saw it last night, I was like oh shit!! I need to invest before all the shares are gone.
I was thinking of putting around 10k into it. But then I took a few breaths and checked the forums .
ALWAYS CHECK THE FORUMS FIRST!!
People on the forums are lifesavers
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Yeah this sort of shit happens. New currency and anonymity bring their risks. Consider it a hard lesson learned, and luckily there are plenty of opportunities to recover and exceed your losses.
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I can understand how somebody might fall for purchasing a drug from a shady seller if their prices look good.
I don't understand how somebody good so eagerly go ahead and invest $500 on an anonymous website to a stranger in hopes they'd make more money off it. How do you fall for this?
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Its funny because, i always think people who get here are by far more intelligent than the average person, but stuff like this happening, makes me think otherwise.
I feel sorry for those who get scammed and i hope karma kicks that guys butt
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hey Arcturian thanx for the honest post 8) +1 for you mate :D
And thanks to all the other poster who provided much info ...psychedelic mind ,,, +1 to you also for "outing" fugitive 189 8)
The sooner EVERYONE knows about these cunts so much the better for the whole community!
Maybe one day we'll have such a good system to out scammers, that they'll be lucky to last 2 days!
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Wait wait.. Wait a minute.
I have THREE kind of these messages in my inbox, all 3 different usernames and deposit addresses:
The first message is from "SR Staff", the second message is from "SR Vendor Support" and the third is form "STAFFInigo"
Since i lost 2 btc last week with the SRAdmin scam, i didn't fall into the "STAFFInigo" message again. It's OBVIOUSLY a fake, because of the no spacebar in the name.
But..... are you guys telling me that "SR Vendor Support" and "SR Staff" are scams too? How the f*** can a scammer get access to an account with a SPACEBAR in the username. And wasn't "SR Vendor Support" the offical vendor support account????
..?? Can please anyone confirm that they are all scammers ? Or is "SR Vendor Support" real ?
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None of them are real. The only real accounts are SR Support and Vendor Support. Any combination of those two names is fake (ie SR Vendor Support).
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None of them are real. The only real accounts are SR Support and Vendor Support. Any combination of those two names is fake (ie SR Vendor Support).
OK. I'm so glad i didn't send out any bitcoin. I still don't get it how in god's name it's possible that someone can make such an account.
The Support team messaged me last week after i told them i got scammed 2btc: "We will make sure from now on such usernames cannot be registered anymore"....
I can't make an username with a spacebar, but someone else can .... .?? ???
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By the "Support team" do you mean SR Support, or were they actually sending something from an account named "Support team" ???
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Its funny because, i always think people who get here are by far more intelligent than the average person, but stuff like this happening, makes me think otherwise.
I feel sorry for those who get scammed and i hope karma kicks that guys butt
@ Billiken I dont think you can judge peoples intelligence based on one action they've made. Of course it was a stupid thing to do but it wasnt some kid asking for coins, saying he'll send back more. It was a very detailed article and what it talked about made sense. My belief is that this was in planning for quite a while. He had various accounts planned and ready to go (Which by the way as italianmafia stated, bypassed the username restrictions). The deal breaker for me was when the user 'DPR' replied to me. Now how could a scammer have that user name...? Couple that with peoples excitement / eagerness to get on board this limited time 'project' & you have a recipe for a shit-storm
And boy, did a shit-storm occur
But like i said. I aint even mad ::) My only bad view on my situation is that i would currently have £330 to blow on extremely lovely drugs if it wasnt for this fucker! >:( :( ??? ..... Oh well, life goes on!
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Blockchain was posted on another topic: https://blockchain.info/address/1F48CymZsof76oZob8UiCAaz7P4yUdnz7M @ time of posting this (11:54 GMT) he's so far earned just under 50k.
I'm now down 4.7 btc & kicking myself so hard for falling for this shit. I wasnt prepared to invest until i contacted "DPR" on the main site and he replied. And at that point i jumped at the opportunity and sent this fucker 500$ because i thought that the user DPR couldnt have been unregistered and it was him. I nearly sent 1500$, so thankful i didnt. Some have lost much more then i have.
If i'd have JUST gone to sleep when i got home last night at around 4am I would have woke up and seen the hype about it on the forums. After seeing the message i stayed awake to see how this develops as i really wanted one of those apparent 250 spaces *facepalm* ... And i just went ahead with it after receiving a reply from 'DPR'... There's SO many events could have changed this for me and i wouldnt be down 500.. The butterfly effect just raped my wallet hard :-[
IM WELL AWARE OF THE FACT IM STUPID AS HELL. PLEASE DO NOT REMIND ME!
I'm not going to break your balls buddy but what I will say is that you don't need anyone else's help to invest your Bitcoins. I would suggest you get yourself on over to the Bitcoin stock exchange (icbit.se) and invest your coins that way. I have just diversified the portfolio a little by converting some of my BTC to Litecoins but good bets are currently mining rigs (Synergy) is my fave and you can also invest in a gambling bot which plays Satoshi dice and pays out dividends fairly regularly from the profits. If you need any help getting started let me know as I'm thinking about putting together a guide for new investors on how to salt away some funds off your own back.
V.
What is a gambling bot and where would somebody find something like that?
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The universe is amazing at paying back fuckers that pull shit like this.
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Wow I was so close to taking $5000 off my credit card to invest in this shit. Thank god I didn't! I thought it was a little odd that I received 3 messages about the investment opportunity in only 1 Hour.
Sorry to all those who were scammed today. It was actually quite well planned the more that I think about it. Damn scammers, karma's a bitch.
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freeze the btc
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freeze the btc
That's not a thing.
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The universe is amazing at paying back fuckers that pull shit like this.
LOL u joking? u must have never gave watched cnbc or whatever with all the investment scammers that make millions and buy yachts and sail the oceans and live in foreign countries in mansions... just sayin
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If you receive an invalid wallet address error, you are too late.
Aaaand that's when I was 100% sure it's a scam. When did you ever see a bitcoin address become invalid? Until that line, while I was reading, I had doubts, but was willing to invest a bit if this was real.
However, just common sense, people - SR's making a shit-ton of money (why would they need investors), it's a faceless organization that doesn't answer to anyone - would you seriously trust it with so much money? Come on.
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easy money :(
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Wow...
I dont know why people fall for these types of scams.
If it seems too good to be true, it probably is!
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Well, I'm going to use this as a way to own and discard my shame. Some of that $70k+ that fuck has made is mine, thankfully only $500 and it was out of my "play" money but still. Damn.
Welcome to SR, new vendor. ::)
What's done is done, I felt like an ass but honestly, this thread helped dissipate all that. However I was only in for less than 5BTC not 290! Can't imagine what that guy is going through.
Anyone looking for some kickass Blue Dream, hit me up. I think I'll try and keep the coins incoming on SR ;D
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Here's a thought..Maybe the real SR Admin uses different color type And lock a thread stating that .Maybe it can cut down on the scamsters
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For me I knew it seemed fishy, because I got three from different sellers, plus the math just didn't make sense.
0.1% for $500 = $500, 000. So SR makes 2.5 mil annually but they value themselves at 500, 000.
That's what made it seem way to fishy for me.
Also, I have NEVER ever EVER in my 4 years as a buyer and couple months of a vendor got an email from an SR admin that was not from the standard SR Support account.
Also if the same person made all three accounts I estimate he actually made closer to $130, 000.....rat bastard -__-
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Amazing, somebody should write a book on SR's famous scams. This one is for the book.
Sorry for your loss :(
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WOW. 70k? That is downright ridiculous. When I got that message I laughed, and i did not even bother informing SR Support because there was absolutely no way anyone would fall for that. Did anyone try and go to the Forum link where it said DPR was addressing the investment thing? Did it go to a fake website or something? I tried to go to the link but it just went to a invalid thread or something.
I feel for all your losses, just try and be more safe with your money. Always double check EVERYTHING before sending any BTC anywhere. One mistake is all it takes to loose it all.
God bless.
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Here's a thought..Maybe the real SR Admin uses different color type And lock a thread stating that .Maybe it can cut down on the scamsters
Not a bad idea.
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The last time I was spending time on the forums, the biggest scam was Tony76. How much did Tony get away with? Any other $10k+ scams I missed in the last few months?
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The last time I was spending time on the forums, the biggest scam was Tony76. How much did Tony get away with? Any other $10k+ scams I missed in the last few months?
Tony got away with maybe, ~150k ?
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Yea Tony was a BIG one, however I think this one might be even bigger if it was the same guy all three times. Does anyone have the BTC address for all of the recent scams? I would really like to see how much this fellow might have made if he/she is the same person.
I estimate close to 150,000 is possible.
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Yea Tony was a BIG one, however I think this one might be even bigger if it was the same guy all three times. Does anyone have the BTC address for all of the recent scams? I would really like to see how much this fellow might have made if he/she is the same person.
I estimate close to 150,000 is possible.
and he never had to send out any drugs.
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I think using the word "earned" is rather generous.
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I think its absolute bs that SR does not monitor and catch these types of scams farther. First time I have been disappointed in the road, smh!
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I think its absolute bs that SR does not monitor and catch these types of scams farther. First time I have been disappointed in the road, smh!
And how do you propose they do that?
I'm not trying to come after you, im just honestly curious
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I think its absolute bs that SR does not monitor and catch these types of scams farther. First time I have been disappointed in the road, smh!
Seriously? How would the small staff of SR monitor and catch scams before they happen? That is asking the impossible. This is an anonymous marketplace which is open to anyone and everyone. The staff is not psychic - they don't know what some anonymous individual is going to do or say until they do or say it! They can't prevent scammers from scamming via the message system. They put the escrow system in place in order to protect vendors and buyers alike. They investigate scam claims on a daily basis and take care of those accounts as quickly as they are able to identify them as scammers. Beyond that, everyone is responsible for keeping themselves safe too.
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The ONLY thing that lends ANY credibility to these 'scams' is the title/person it 'allegedly' came from.
....WHY DID IT TAKE SO LONG TO SHUT DOWN?
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I'm not blaming the victims, but I also don't think it's reasonable to expect SR to be able to catch each and every one of these things before anyone is scammed.
No idea what happened over on the marketplace or why there was no response there. I do know though that as soon as I told inigo about the scam, he came and posted a warning letting people know it was a scam. SR is not a huge group with millions of employees and someone sitting by the support desk 24/7. They are on as much as they can be, but I don't presume to know the circumstances of their lives beyond SR and neither should anyone else.
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I didn't say before they happen, I said farther, typo, I meant faster. I saw that scam up on my messages at 12 noon. I sent a PM to a admin soon after and did not get confirmation that it was a scam, an ans from him until 9 pm. As a vendor I think thats completely unacceptable! I certainly don't expect the staff to monitor and be able to stop every scam, but that is too much time to wait for a response from admin! The staff doesn't have access to a vendor account to monitor this! Wheres the customer service to vendors, who are making the staff money and losing money at the same time to scams?!
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I didn't fall for it
they way I saw it, if SR were to ever do some sort of investment thing, it would be something added to the main site, or a section of the site (with charts and graphs, that sort of thing), not a PM, no matter how legit it looked.. I've never gone for investment schemes anyway, preferring to earn my money by hunting shrooms the old fashioned way
Anyway, sorry to hear of peoples losses
I noticed the stickies just disappeared from this forum section. Is that now being adjusted because of this?
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I didn't say before they happen, I said farther, typo, I meant faster. I saw that scam up on my messages at 12 noon. I sent a PM to a admin soon after and did not get confirmation that it was a scam, an ans from him until 9 pm. As a vendor I think thats completely unacceptable! I certainly don't expect the staff to monitor and be able to stop every scam, but that is too much time to wait for a response from admin! The staff doesn't have access to a vendor account to monitor this! Wheres the customer service to vendors, who are making the staff money and losing money at the same time to scams?!
I don't think its fair to blame SR for this. They do their best, and not to offend anyone but reading this it seemed pretty obvious that it was a scam. Not saying people who was scammed were idiots or anything, I dont want to seem insensitive, however
1. The account used was never used to send me a message before
2. Why would they value themselves at only 500, 000?
3. Why would Iniago be sending the message?
4. What reason would there be for not mentioning it on the forums?
I just think it was obvious it was a scam, and SR does there best to take it down as soon as possible. Now if the SR account was hacked, then I would say I would expect a refund.
Now if I fell for this I would probably be in a totally different situation and have a totally different opinion on it.
Be alert, be aware, and use the forums. I find the moderators have very fast response times, and are extremely helpful.
Sorry if I offended anyone, just trying to show that expecting a refund from SR is impractical. Not like there is an insurance paid for protection from scam like this, so why would it make sense that they cover it?
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I didn't say before they happen, I said farther, typo, I meant faster. I saw that scam up on my messages at 12 noon. I sent a PM to a admin soon after and did not get confirmation that it was a scam, an ans from him until 9 pm. As a vendor I think thats completely unacceptable! I certainly don't expect the staff to monitor and be able to stop every scam, but that is too much time to wait for a response from admin! The staff doesn't have access to a vendor account to monitor this! Wheres the customer service to vendors, who are making the staff money and losing money at the same time to scams?!
I don't think its fair to blame SR for this. They do their best, and not to offend anyone but reading this it seemed pretty obvious that it was a scam. Not saying people who was scammed were idiots or anything, I dont want to seem insensitive, however
Obvioius or not it worked on many vendors, and when SR staff themselves don't ans ur messages, it adds to the fuckery of it all!
1. The account used was never used to send me a message before
2. Why would they value themselves at only 500, 000?
3. Why would Iniago be sending the message?
4. What reason would there be for not mentioning it on the forums?
I just think it was obvious it was a scam, and SR does there best to take it down as soon as possible. Now if the SR account was hacked, then I would say I would expect a refund.
Now if I fell for this I would probably be in a totally different situation and have a totally different opinion on it.
Be alert, be aware, and use the forums. I find the moderators have very fast response times, and are extremely helpful.
Sorry if I offended anyone, just trying to show that expecting a refund from SR is impractical. Not like there is an insurance paid for protection from scam like this, so why would it make sense that they cover it?
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I actually thought it was real because with all the money that SR makes, I don't care how many people it is, this should never have been able to be sent to everyone and I don't understand how they were able to do that. How did they have a list of usernames? My forum name is not the same as my SR name yet I received.
Anyways, I just thought that DPR may have gotten involved with some wise guys (no offense guys) or some sort of desperate circumstance and was trying to start/continue a ponzi scheme. Pretty unbelievable that a simple system to prevent that isn't in place.
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wait a minute, this part about not getting a response by admin for 9 hours on whether or not this was an investment scam (previous post)
First of all, this is the first rule of grifters. Anything that takes time, like an investment, isn't going to work. If you're going to scam people, you have to do it quickly and get out, before the mark realizes he's been taken
You mean to tell me that people couldn't wait 9 hours to find out if an investment was legit?. If there was anything like a proper investment in SR, it would be on the website and it would be long term, like months and years, not 1 day
This, of course, is the same principle that Silk Road is based on between vendors and buyers with the feedback system and for the most part it works. As a new vendor, I had a really tough time getting started but as people started finding out I'm legit, the orders are pouring in now. But people didn't go for me until they were sure it was legit, and that took at least a couple of weeks
the only thing that's happening in one day is Bitcoin itself, going from 100 to 125 dollars
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I actually thought it was real because with all the money that SR makes, I don't care how many people it is, this should never have been able to be sent to everyone and I don't understand how they were able to do that. How did they have a list of usernames? My forum name is not the same as my SR name yet I received.
Anyways, I just thought that DPR may have gotten involved with some wise guys (no offense guys) or some sort of desperate circumstance and was trying to start/continue a ponzi scheme. Pretty unbelievable that a simple system to prevent that isn't in place.
What kind of system would you suggest? I would think they might block words like Vendor and Support from usernames now, but I don't think its reasonable to expect them to foresee this.
And I think they must have just gone along the vendors and sent them. They probably messaged a few vendors, saw people were falling for it, and kept messaging other vendors by individually selecting them.
Even if it took them 24 hours to message all the vendors that's still a potential 6000+ an hour.
But I totally agree that SR should ban usernames which include such words (Admin, Vendor, Support). Also someone mentioned that all SR staff messages should be in a different font and colour, also a very reasonable suggestion. Hopefully they will implement it, but honestly if you stay aware its easy to stay safe. Its like when the internet was first getting popular and people fell for the "Oh I am a doctor stuck in Nigeria send me $5000 and I will give you $10 000 in 3 weeks". Live and learn,
My sympathies though to everyone, I remember back when BTC was worth $4 and I got scammed out of 10 BTC, I was so pissed. Can't even imagine how you guys feel.
Plus being a single mother with kids to feed I am always way more cautious about these kind of things because of how tight money is.
I am wondering, did EVERY single vendor get this email? That IMO would seem a bit fishy, but still possible.
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I actually thought it was real because with all the money that SR makes, I don't care how many people it is, this should never have been able to be sent to everyone and I don't understand how they were able to do that. How did they have a list of usernames? My forum name is not the same as my SR name yet I received.
Anyways, I just thought that DPR may have gotten involved with some wise guys (no offense guys) or some sort of desperate circumstance and was trying to start/continue a ponzi scheme. Pretty unbelievable that a simple system to prevent that isn't in place.
It was absolutely NOT sent out to everyone. All the scammer would have to do is pick random names (or specific ones, who knows) from the forums or from the marketplace and message them. It's not that unbelievable. What's more unbelievable is that you think DPR would be in such dire need of money that he would scam what is essentially his "baby" of sorts. A ponzi scheme? Come on.
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I actually thought it was real because with all the money that SR makes, I don't care how many people it is, this should never have been able to be sent to everyone and I don't understand how they were able to do that. How did they have a list of usernames? My forum name is not the same as my SR name yet I received.
Anyways, I just thought that DPR may have gotten involved with some wise guys (no offense guys) or some sort of desperate circumstance and was trying to start/continue a ponzi scheme. Pretty unbelievable that a simple system to prevent that isn't in place.
Thank you!!,. I even thought that maybe it was SR and they were maybe offering a legit investment offer with a scam tone to possibly weed out and find genuine serious investors! I think they dropped the ball on this one and owe something to the vendors, it should not be this easy to pull a scam like this one!
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I even thought that maybe it was SR and they were maybe offering a legit investment offer with a scam tone to possibly weed out and find genuine serious investors!
If something has a "scam tone" ... that should be an immediate sign that it is likely a scam!
I think they dropped the ball on this one and owe something to the vendors.
As stated, there will be no "refunds" for people who fell for the scam.
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I actually thought it was real because with all the money that SR makes, I don't care how many people it is, this should never have been able to be sent to everyone and I don't understand how they were able to do that. How did they have a list of usernames? My forum name is not the same as my SR name yet I received.
Anyways, I just thought that DPR may have gotten involved with some wise guys (no offense guys) or some sort of desperate circumstance and was trying to start/continue a ponzi scheme. Pretty unbelievable that a simple system to prevent that isn't in place.
Thank you!!,. I even thought that maybe it was SR and they were maybe offering a legit investment offer with a scam tone to possibly weed out and find genuine serious investors! I think they dropped the ball on this one and owe something to the vendors, it should not be this easy to pull a scam like this one!
Sorry man I just don't see eye to eye with you on this. Seemed obvious to me that it was illegitimate. To be honest if it ended up being real I would be very surprised. Not sure how they dropped the ball, it was on the forums as being a scam as soon as I saw the email (I was actually coming on the forum to post it as a possible scam, and it ended up already being there)
And as scout said not every vendor got it. Clearly, it was not DPR. Think about the % fees...not worth his time at all.
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Like I said, It had clear signs of a scam. My real issue is the time it took for an admin to get back to my message! Someone said something about if it was real you can wait, this is true, but there is an exception to every rule. I have made many a decision thinking quickly. The race doesn't always go to the swift, but usually thats the case!
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if i recall correctly, it happened in the middle of the night. i don't think that inigo or DPR get a text message when someone sends them a message here ... or when the site goes down ... or when someone initiates a scam. they addressed it as quickly as they could.
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It needs to be addressed quicker, maybe I'm asking too much, idk!
P.S. another scam just sent to my message, this one from ACCOUNTSERVICES! WTF, third or forth one in 24 hours lol
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Yep, already let DPR and inigo know.
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already got 3 new messages today >:(
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It needs to be addressed quicker, maybe I'm asking too much, idk!
P.S. another scam just sent to my message, this one from ACCOUNTSERVICES! WTF, third or forth one in 24 hours lol
OK. Here goes, I'll address it. DPR/SR makes millions off of commission, period. They're not going to message anyone asking for investments or give you a first chance at buying into SR 3.0 or any other enticing offer...etc.
Dear Friend, I'm a political refuge from Nigeria and I need your help since your an honest and trustworthy individual to help me transfer $80,000,000 USD. You'll only need to send us $1000 first to verify you have a US checking account...get real.
Same scam, different verbiage. If you receive one, delete it. If you're so inclined to waste their time and verify every scam, kindly look to the lower right hand corner of the SR interface and click support.
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It needs to be addressed quicker, maybe I'm asking too much, idk!
P.S. another scam just sent to my message, this one from ACCOUNTSERVICES! WTF, third or forth one in 24 hours lol
OK. Here goes, I'll address it. DPR/SR makes millions off of commission, period. They're not going to message anyone asking for investments or give you a first chance at buying into SR 3.0 or any other enticing offer...etc.
Dear Friend, I'm a political refuge from Nigeria and I need your help since your an honest and trustworthy individual to help me transfer $80,000,000 USD. You'll only need to send us $1000 first to verify you have a US checking account...get real.
Same scam, different verbiage. If you receive one, delete it. If you're so inclined to wastertheir time and verify every scam, kindly look to the lower right hand corner of the SR interface and click support.
and ill address this. This is a small business, and if they hope to grow and thrive, and investment could be a possible idea in the future. It all depends on how they want to run their business. Unless you are a spokesman for the company, please don't leave threads about SR's business plan like you know what you are talking about. Thank You!
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and ill address this. This is a small business, and if they hope to grow and thrive, and investment could be a possible idea in the future. It all depends on how they want to run their business. Unless you are a spokesman for the company, please don't leave threads about SR's business plan like you know what you are talking about. Thank You!
Small business? LOL. It hasn't been small for a very long time and is constantly increasing in popularity, and with the BTC price rises not only is the SR stash worth a whole lot more but there'll be even more users. MILLIONS dude.
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Ill repeat and clarify! This is a small business compared to other global enterprises making billions! Compare to the ebay, the model that SR is based upon!
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and ill address this. This is a small business, and if they hope to grow and thrive, and investment could be a possible idea in the future. It all depends on how they want to run their business. Unless you are a spokesman for the company, please don't leave threads about SR's business plan like you know what you are talking about. Thank You!
Small business? LOL. It hasn't been small for a very long time and is constantly increasing in popularity, and with the BTC price rises not only is the SR stash worth a whole lot more but there'll be even more users. MILLIONS dude.
;) slashdot
"Every day or so of the last six months, Carnegie Mellon computer security professor Nicolas Christin has crawled and scraped Silk Road, the Tor- and Bitcoin-based underground online market for illegal drug sales. Now Christin has released a paper (PDF) on his findings, which show that the site's business is booming: its number of sellers, who offer everything from cocaine to ecstasy, has jumped from around 300 in February to more than 550. Its total sales now add up to around $1.9 million a month. And its operators generate more than $6,000 a day in commissions for themselves, compared with around $2,500 in February. Most surprising, perhaps, is that buyers rate the sellers on the site as relatively trustworthy, despite the fact that no real identities are used. Close to 98% of ratings on the site are positive."
About time they (Sr) started paying folk to protect its customers ??? dont you think
its getting too big to be ignored dpr scams, vendor scam etc
what you think scout?
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and ill address this. This is a small business, and if they hope to grow and thrive, and investment could be a possible idea in the future. It all depends on how they want to run their business. Unless you are a spokesman for the company, please don't leave threads about SR's business plan like you know what you are talking about. Thank You!
Small business? LOL. It hasn't been small for a very long time and is constantly increasing in popularity, and with the BTC price rises not only is the SR stash worth a whole lot more but there'll be even more users. MILLIONS dude.
;) slashdot
"Every day or so of the last six months, Carnegie Mellon computer security professor Nicolas Christin has crawled and scraped Silk Road, the Tor- and Bitcoin-based underground online market for illegal drug sales. Now Christin has released a paper (PDF) on his findings, which show that the site's business is booming: its number of sellers, who offer everything from cocaine to ecstasy, has jumped from around 300 in February to more than 550. Its total sales now add up to around $1.9 million a month. And its operators generate more than $6,000 a day in commissions for themselves, compared with around $2,500 in February. Most surprising, perhaps, is that buyers rate the sellers on the site as relatively trustworthy, despite the fact that no real identities are used. Close to 98% of ratings on the site are positive."
About time they (Sr) started paying folk to protect its customers ??? dont you think
its getting too big to be ignored dpr scams, vendor scam etc
what you think scout?
and another thanks goes out to you! Making that kind of scratch and can't protect their community a little better is unacceptable! I don't even see much effort being put into protecting buyers and vendors except for the forums. I love the forums, perhaps more than buying whatever I want! Unfortunately as we all know, reading is not on many individuals to do list! I will also repeat, I'm not pissed about the scam. I am pissed about the time it took for an admin to get back to my message about the scam. Customer service here was unacceptable. That's my opinion as a customer!
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and ill address this. This is a small business, and if they hope to grow and thrive, and investment could be a possible idea in the future. It all depends on how they want to run their business. Unless you are a spokesman for the company, please don't leave threads about SR's business plan like you know what you are talking about. Thank You!
Small business? LOL. It hasn't been small for a very long time and is constantly increasing in popularity, and with the BTC price rises not only is the SR stash worth a whole lot more but there'll be even more users. MILLIONS dude.
;) slashdot
"Every day or so of the last six months, Carnegie Mellon computer security professor Nicolas Christin has crawled and scraped Silk Road, the Tor- and Bitcoin-based underground online market for illegal drug sales. Now Christin has released a paper (PDF) on his findings, which show that the site's business is booming: its number of sellers, who offer everything from cocaine to ecstasy, has jumped from around 300 in February to more than 550. Its total sales now add up to around $1.9 million a month. And its operators generate more than $6,000 a day in commissions for themselves, compared with around $2,500 in February. Most surprising, perhaps, is that buyers rate the sellers on the site as relatively trustworthy, despite the fact that no real identities are used. Close to 98% of ratings on the site are positive."
About time they (Sr) started paying folk to protect its customers ??? dont you think
its getting too big to be ignored dpr scams, vendor scam etc
what you think scout?
and another thanks goes out to you! Making that kind of scratch and can't protect their community a little better is unacceptable! I don't even see much effort being put into protecting buyers and vendors except for the forums. I love the forums, perhaps more than buying whatever I want! Unfortunately as we all know, reading is not on many individuals to do list! I will also repeat, I'm not pissed about the scam. I am pissed about the time it took for an admin to get back to my message about the scam. Customer service here was unacceptable. That's my opinion as a customer!
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About time they (Sr) started paying folk to protect its customers ??? dont you think
its getting too big to be ignored dpr scams, vendor scam etc
what you think scout?
Customers? I disagree
As a customer on SR, I can buy what I want, when I want it, and my money is safe in an escrow system. I can't really ask for more than that.
I can't speak for the vendor side of things, or if they need more protection. I do not know anything about that side of the house.
But as a customer, the only thing I pay are some hidden commission fees on purchases. I get well above my money's worth in my opinion.
I feel for anyone who gets scammed on the site, but if you stay within the escrow system, you are about as safe as you can be buying drugs.
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Exactly one of my points. Buyer protection is there! Where is the vendor protection!? We are the ones taking more of a risk and providing more of a commission to SR.
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It was absolutely NOT sent out to everyone. All the scammer would have to do is pick random names (or specific ones, who knows) from the forums or from the marketplace and message them. It's not that unbelievable.
I didn't get any message. I assume these messages came on SR, not on the forum? My SR and forum ID's are not the same. Maybe that's why I didn't get one. It may be a small piece of additional ambiguity, but I'll take what I can get.
Don't blame someone else for what you do. Caveat Emptor. But I'm really sorry we have our 2% of real scum on here. It will absolutely come around to them.
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What does it matter if it was sent to everyone or not! Scams don't work on everyone, if they did it wouldn't be a scam!
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We are the ones taking more of a risk and providing more of a commission to SR.
Come on guy, for real? You're paying the commission???
No, you're not!I agree that you're taking a risk - but selling on SR is safer than selling IRL, without any doubt!
We, customers, are paying the commission - you just add that commission to your price when calculating it and that's it.
You don't take money out of your pocket to pay SR or to pay DPR, we take money out of our pocket to pay SR and they send you "whatever" to your account after we finalized the transaction.
I believe writing such a thing is insulting the intelligence of your buyers!
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We are the ones taking more of a risk and providing more of a commission to SR.
Come on guy, for real? You're paying the commission???
No, you're not!I agree that you're taking a risk - but selling on SR is safer than selling IRL, without any doubt!
We, customers, are paying the commission - you just add that commission to your price when calculating it and that's it.
You don't take money out of your pocket to pay SR or to pay DPR, we take money out of our pocket to pay SR and they send you "whatever" to your account after we finalized the transaction.
I believe writing such a thing is insulting the intelligence of your buyers!
Well actually, it depends on the vendor. For some of my listings, I pay for the commission. Like on my pounds, If I sell them for $2500, I only get $2450 into my account because I pay for the commission.
So really, it depends on the seller
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this guy pulled off a big one....as soon as i saw his investment message i knew it was scam (without even reading his BS in full)
lol years of living with smartie crackheads have made me paranoid of all money making schemes....no such thing as free money
also i heard a lot of vendors fell for it...thats shameful as these guys are supposed to be in the know and on watchout
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The fact that any vendors would fall for this is making me think twice about trusting these people to send me illegal drugs :P
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the fact that it took 11 hours to shut it down despite having been notified ELEVEN hours previously says more than 'DPR didnt do it 30+ times'
Who has accused DPR of anything? IME he's as cool as cool can be, but hes not the only person with 'admin abilities'
I asked how it was possible for these accounts to exist - no reply
I asked why it took SO LONG to shut down - no reply
I asked more than this but dont recall now having other things to deal with but the only responses ive seen are;
DPR didnt do it, your not getting your money back repetitiously
& SR doesnt need 1000 'free' coins every few months...
both over repeated replies totally ignore that this 'scammer' had to register the accounts - SR Financial, SR Vendor Support, DPR, ACOUNTSERVICES & Others....
HOW?
(again, not that i care as i didnt pay in, but if i did i'd certainly want to know the answer)
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You haven't received an answer about those things because neither samesamebutdifferent nor I have access to any of that information, or any of those answers! The only ones who can address technical things like that about the main SR site are inigo and DPR.
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You haven't received an answer about those things because neither samesamebutdifferent nor I have access to any of that information, or any of those answers! The only ones who can address technical things like that about the main SR site are inigo and DPR.
I think I know the answers, but maybe the poster has a different opinion then me.
The person found a hole, and took advantage of a person's greed. Your knowing better was over ridden by your greed. We all know about if it's too good to be true.
RIP Tony76 ;) Happens to all of us.
The only person I fault is the scammer, pretty smart dude. You can bet he will be back.
As for the time delay, 11 hours ain't too bad. I've seen much longer. Lately it seems we all react faster. Somebody should have been talking to somebody else. Seeing it's a forum it takes time.
Now quietly close the hole.
Did you get the answer you were looking for ? :-[ :-X
Next question, Scout, how did they get a list? I guess you could just scrape the vendor list, duh, never mine :-[
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Next question, Scout, how did they get a list? I guess you could just scrape the vendor list, duh, never mine :-[
I'm guessing that they just got some names from the listings or something. They weren't PM'ing everyone though because not everyone received the messages. Probably just grabbed some random names manually.
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I got the message, replied to it with "Cool story bro."
Now that I find out that not only were people dumb enough to believe it but that they gave the guy SEVENTY GRAND I wish I'd had the idea :P
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Next question, Scout, how did they get a list? I guess you could just scrape the vendor list, duh, never mine :-[
I'm guessing that they just got some names from the listings or something. They weren't PM'ing everyone though because not everyone received the messages. Probably just grabbed some random names manually.
you get paid scout ? you should .
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Next question, Scout, how did they get a list? I guess you could just scrape the vendor list, duh, never mine :-[
I'm guessing that they just got some names from the listings or something. They weren't PM'ing everyone though because not everyone received the messages. Probably just grabbed some random names manually.
you get paid scout ? you should .
He is supporting you. We do it by donations. If you have some extra coin throw it his way. Doesn't need to be much. Figure one buzz off the drug of your choice.
Guess what drug is my choice? 8)
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150 vendors got taken for $500 a piece. I wonder what sort of yacht he's going to buy with his money.
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Next question, Scout, how did they get a list? I guess you could just scrape the vendor list, duh, never mine :-[
I'm guessing that they just got some names from the listings or something. They weren't PM'ing everyone though because not everyone received the messages. Probably just grabbed some random names manually.
you get paid scout ? you should .
DING DING DING DING DING!!!!! Sadly I'm finding no one associated with SR wants to take any kind of responsibility for this situation!
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Next question, Scout, how did they get a list? I guess you could just scrape the vendor list, duh, never mine :-[
I'm guessing that they just got some names from the listings or something. They weren't PM'ing everyone though because not everyone received the messages. Probably just grabbed some random names manually.
you get paid scout ? you should .
DING DING DING DING DING!!!!! Sadly I'm finding no one associated with SR wants to take any kind of responsibility for this situation!
How can they take responsibility for something they cant control?
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[SNIP]
both over repeated replies totally ignore that this 'scammer' had to register the accounts - SR Financial, SR Vendor Support, DPR, ACOUNTSERVICES & Others....
HOW?
(again, not that i care as i didnt pay in, but if i did i'd certainly want to know the answer)
The scammer registered the above accounts by logging out, going to http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion, clicking on the 'click here to join' link, then putting the above names in the 'user name' fields, just as you did when you registered for an account on Silk Road. 'DPR' is not Dread Pirate Roberts' username, therefore there is no reason why 'DPR' should have been registered by him/her, and no reason why the other accounts should have been registered previously either. One cannot expect every possible combination of names to be registered in order to protect people from their own greed.
DING DING DING DING DING!!!!! Sadly I'm finding no one associated with SR wants to take any kind of responsibility for this situation!
It is NOT DPR or Silk Road's fault that people got scammed. They got scammed because they failed to do their due diligence before parting with their money, and also failed to check PGP signatures etc. Do NOT blame others for mistakes that are your own. Every person complaining about this needs to start taking responsibility for their own actions.
- grahamgreene
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[SNIP]
both over repeated replies totally ignore that this 'scammer' had to register the accounts - SR Financial, SR Vendor Support, DPR, ACOUNTSERVICES & Others....
HOW?
(again, not that i care as i didnt pay in, but if i did i'd certainly want to know the answer)
The scammer registered the above accounts by logging out, going to http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion, clicking on the 'click here to join' link, then putting the above names in the 'user name' fields, just as you did when you registered for an account on Silk Road. 'DPR' is not Dread Pirate Roberts' username, therefore there is no reason why 'DPR' should have been registered by him/her, and no reason why the other accounts should have been registered previously either. One cannot expect every possible combination of names to be registered in order to protect people from their own greed.
DING DING DING DING DING!!!!! Sadly I'm finding no one associated with SR wants to take any kind of responsibility for this situation!
It is NOT DPR or Silk Road's fault that people got scammed. They got scammed because they failed to do their due diligence before parting with their money, and also failed to check PGP signatures etc. Do NOT blame others for mistakes that are your own. Every person complaining about this needs to start taking responsibility for their own actions.
- grahamgreene
No one is blaming anyone. The last sentence in your post says it all! SR is their child, take responsibility for what happens with your child! Of course they SR staff needs to take responsibility of some kind for what goes on in their house! Are you kidding me?
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No one is blaming anyone. The last sentence in your post says it all! SR is their child, take responsibility for what happens with your child! Of course they SR staff needs to take responsibility of some kind for what goes on in their house! Are you kidding me?
This is true, but DPR/admins are not to blame for vendors being stupid with their money.
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and they shouldn't. But simply saying be smart is not enough! I would like to see more measures to protect everyone in the community! That's all!
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lol u dumbasses got taken, who the fuck just sends money off without waiting to see what the hell is up
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The fact of the matter is there are dumb asses out there. There would be no smart asses with out them! As smart asses its our responsibility to protect the dumb asses! Protecting dumb asses in turn protects the smart asses from dumb ass shit! Then everyone is happy!
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No one is blaming anyone. The last sentence in your post says it all! SR is their child, take responsibility for what happens with your child! Of course they SR staff needs to take responsibility of some kind for what goes on in their house! Are you kidding me?
Silk Road is not anybody's "child", it is a business. A business which grants us access to a free market built on Agorist ideals and principles in which people are free to trade whatever products they wish without government oversight. As it is a free, largely unregulated market, each participant must exercise caution and take responsibility for their own actions.
It would seem you have been so wrapped up for so long in a world of regulated businesses and markets where you have legal recourse against any whom may wrong you that you cannot comprehend the concept of an Agorist marketplace, nor recognise the absolute need for absolute personal responsibility when trading in one. It is people that need to do their due diligence or they will lose money, not Silk Road that needs to work to actively protect the foolish.
Give me one good, valid reason - backed up by a logical thought process - why Silk Road administrators "need to take responsibility" for the actions of somebody that saw an opportunity to perform a confidence scam and took it. Just one.
If I were to con you into sending me a lot of Bitcoin simply by registering a new account that tries to make itself look as official as possible and creating an elaborate story around it, would you honestly expect Silk Road to reimburse you for having the wool pulled over your eyes by a smooth-talking conman?! ???
- grahamgreene
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lol haven't u heard, business are people!
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perhaps you are the one now conditioned to believe in this agorism, or whatever it is they are calling it these days, that you have forgotten the golden rule!
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lol haven't u heard, business are people!
perhaps you are the one now conditioned to believe in this agorism, or whatever it is they are calling it these days, that you have forgotten the golden rule!
You don't know what Agorism is, yet you are attempting to defend your original position that the creator(s) of this free market - based on Agorist principles - are liable for a user performing a confidence scam. Go back to bed, pkizenko98; you are drunk.
Furthermore you fail to employ logic in your rebuttals, or make any sense whatsoever really. It is pointless to partake in a debate with an illogical person as they cannot follow logical sequences or think rationally about a situation from a third person perspective.
To conclude:
You do not understand what Silk Road actually is - an Agorist marketplace - nor the ideologies behind it. You seem to view everything from a capitalist and regulatory perspective, and cannot employ logical thought processes to reach a logical conclusion, instead spouting illogical ramblings not unlike a child attempting to argue with its parents.
This brings us back to your original point of a parent taking responsibility for their child:
It has become somewhat apparent that the '98' in your username refers to the year you were born, and whilst I commend you for possessing a sense of 'justice' - however flawed that might be in a free-market sense - you need to do a lot more reading before you come here and attempt to shackle responsibility to the ones that make this entire place possible.
If people cannot take responsibility for their own actions, nor do their due diligence before parting with their money or engaging in a deal, then they will be parted with their money sooner or later with neither recompense nor empathy. That is a simple fact of life.
- grahamgreene
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lol haven't u heard, business are people!
perhaps you are the one now conditioned to believe in this agorism, or whatever it is they are calling it these days, that you have forgotten the golden rule!
You don't know what Agorism is, yet you are attempting to defend your original position that the creator(s) of this free market - based on Agorist principles - are liable for a user performing a confidence scam. Go back to bed, pkizenko98; you are drunk.
Furthermore you fail to employ logic in your rebuttals, or make any sense whatsoever really. It is pointless to partake in a debate with an illogical person as they cannot follow logical sequences or think rationally about a situation from a third person perspective.
To conclude:
You do not understand what Silk Road actually is - an Agorist marketplace - nor the ideologies behind it. You seem to view everything from a capitalist and regulatory perspective, and cannot employ logical thought processes to reach a logical conclusion, instead spouting illogical ramblings not unlike a child attempting to argue with its parents.
This brings us back to your original point of a parent taking responsibility for their child:
It has become somewhat apparent that the '98' in your username refers to the year you were born, and whilst I commend you for possessing a sense of 'justice' - however flawed that might be in a free-market sense - you need to do a lot more reading before you come here and attempt to shackle responsibility to the ones that make this entire place possible.
If people cannot take responsibility for their own actions, nor do their due diligence before parting with their money or engaging in a deal, then they will be parted with their money sooner or later with neither recompense nor empathy. That is a simple fact of life.
- grahamgreene
Fantastic post.
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faggots just line up and fuck eachother already
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lol haven't u heard, business are people!
perhaps you are the one now conditioned to believe in this agorism, or whatever it is they are calling it these days, that you have forgotten the golden rule!
You don't know what Agorism is, yet you are attempting to defend your original position that the creator(s) of this free market - based on Agorist principles - are liable for a user performing a confidence scam. Go back to bed, pkizenko98; you are drunk.
Furthermore you fail to employ logic in your rebuttals, or make any sense whatsoever really. It is pointless to partake in a debate with an illogical person as they cannot follow logical sequences or think rationally about a situation from a third person perspective.
To conclude:
You do not understand what Silk Road actually is - an Agorist marketplace - nor the ideologies behind it. You seem to view everything from a capitalist and regulatory perspective, and cannot employ logical thought processes to reach a logical conclusion, instead spouting illogical ramblings not unlike a child attempting to argue with its parents.
This brings us back to your original point of a parent taking responsibility for their child:
It has become somewhat apparent that the '98' in your username refers to the year you were born, and whilst I commend you for possessing a sense of 'justice' - however flawed that might be in a free-market sense - you need to do a lot more reading before you come here and attempt to shackle responsibility to the ones that make this entire place possible.
If people cannot take responsibility for their own actions, nor do their due diligence before parting with their money or engaging in a deal, then they will be parted with their money sooner or later with neither recompense nor empathy. That is a simple fact of life.
- grahamgreene
Fantastic post.
Fantastic morons! Stop being followers and regurgitating other more intelligent beings theories in an attempt to be perceived as intelligent! Where in that post did I ever say that I didn't know what agorism is! I simply pointed out that its just a label for a theory that goes by many names! Apparently I have to spell every single thing out to you, so if you care to respond I will make sure I type in bold letters clearly, and spell everything out for you next time! ok Sweetie!?
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Please learn to think for yourself and find within you what truth is, then everything becomes very simple!!
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Don't fall for the okie doke, lol. You wanna talk business and agorism, get off the pirates dick! He could be the biggest scammer in the world under the guise of a free market! Money talks, don't get played! Not even gonna waste my time in this post anymore, clearly not my level of intelligence in here!
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one last thing, lol. The nature of this site, its anonymity and the way u followers follow and let SR be lax on their security, means that the SR staff and the Pirate himself could be running these scams. How would u know? Who is gonna stop them? All they have to say is oh we are sorry but u should have known better. Damn u guys are stupid. Fuckin think. Goddamn!
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Fantastic morons! Stop being followers and regurgitating other more intelligent beings theories in an attempt to be perceived as intelligent! Where in that post did I ever say that I didn't know what agorism is! I simply pointed out that its just a label for a theory that goes by many names! Apparently I have to spell every single thing out to you, so if you care to respond I will make sure I type in bold letters clearly, and spell everything out for you next time! ok Sweetie!?
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=141275.msg980628#msg980628
And I quote: "perhaps you are the one now conditioned to believe in this agorism, or whatever it is they are calling it these days, that you have forgotten the golden rule!"
Straight from Wikipedia, for your convenience:
Agorism is a revolutionary libertarian social philosophy that advocates the goal of the bringing about of a society in which all relations between people are voluntary exchanges by means of counter-economics, thus engaging in a manner with aspects of peaceful revolution. It was first proposed by libertarian philosopher Samuel Edward Konkin III in 1975.
'They' are not calling something else Agorism "these days", nor is Agorism a label for a theory that goes by many names; the ideology of Agorism has in fact been around since the mid-70's, and has a clear definition as an individual philosophy.
Your comment clearly showed absolutely zero understanding of Agorism, and I would bet 50 BTC that my post was the first time you'd heard of it.
Please do "type in bold letters clearly, and spell everything out" - it'll be interesting to see how you manage to type in bold on this forum. Spelling everything out should be easy enough though because you're typing it. You're literally spelling the words letter by letter - I mean you are LITERALLY spelling things out as it is. Feeling stupid yet? ???
You really did respond like a child to my previous posts. No, no, I take that back; it is an insult to children everywhere. I certainly hope that this isn't how you conduct yourself when doing business on Silk Road. If it is, you won't last long. That's just a bit of friendly advice in the hope that potential buyers won't have to receive the same kind of rambling, pig-headed responses that I have.
Funny though, you actually remind me of mtljohn. I'll be keeping an eye on your Vendor profile. ;)
Please learn to think for yourself and find within you what truth is, then everything becomes very simple!!
I would send that little pearl of wisdom right back at you. Unburden yourself from the shackles of a regulatory mindset and see what it is to become truly free. It seems that you have never had to face responsibility as there has always been somebody there to put the blame on or to complain to until you get your way, be it a government regulator or a customer service department.
Silk Road, being a free, unregulated market increases the level of personal responsibility 10-fold but doles out freedom by the barrelful in return.
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Not even gonna waste my time in this post anymore, clearly not my level of intelligence in here!
I've highlighted the only pertinent part of your above post by snipping out the irrelevant parts. From what's left I couldn't agree with you more.
one last thing, lol. The nature of this site, its anonymity and the way u followers follow and let SR be lax on their security, means that the SR staff and the Pirate himself could be running these scams. How would u know? Who is gonna stop them? All they have to say is oh we are sorry but u should have known better. Damn u guys are stupid. Fuckin think. Goddamn!
I agree that it's possible that Silk Road staff and Dread Pirate Roberts could be taking part in scams around here. Dread Pirate Roberts would also agree, I'm sure.
However - and not to burst your little fantastical bubble here, but.. there would be no need for Dread Pirate Roberts to perform a confidence scam as he/she could abscond with the funds held in escrow and in user accounts at any time, thereby making a confidence scam about as pointless as your presence here.
Given that fact, I consider it highly unlikely (though again, not impossible) that Dread Pirate Roberts is behind the scams. It could also be the entire cast of "Cheers!" for all we know, or "Happy Days". Maybe try following those leads up?
In the interest of fairness though, and to show you how much of a big ol' silly-billy you are, it's also entirely possible that the entire site is run by a Law Enforcement Agency. That is why we encrypt our sensitive communications, obfuscate our finances, utilise Tor and Bitcoin, trust nobody but ourselves and never reveal our true identities. It's also the reason we need to have a high degree of - all together now - PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY. People do not lose their money if they know that they have to take responsibility for their actions, and act accordingly.
It's been a pleasure rebutting your illogical rambling. You now have the esteemed privilege of being the first person to be placed on my Ignore list. :)
Oh, and just so you know, there's a 'Modify' button at the top right hand side of every post you make. You might want to consider using that in future to avoid looking so.. well.. crazy. ???
Adieu.
- grahamgreene