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Discussion => Silk Road discussion => Topic started by: USAShroomzz on March 22, 2013, 12:43 pm

Title: SR needs more signifcant digits when viewing btc, could be theft by DPR
Post by: USAShroomzz on March 22, 2013, 12:43 pm
So now that btc is skyhigh we DEFINITELY need more than 2 significant digits when viewing btc since even .001btc is valuable.   Since there is no record with the SR system of anything past 2 digits how can we know that DPR just isn't skimming off those extra bits (like the movie office space)? 

I hope DPR is honest and doesn't skim, but he is a pirate.

Title: Re: SR needs more signifcant digits when viewing btc, could be theft by DPR
Post by: nzt48givesyouwings on March 22, 2013, 01:01 pm
Arrrrrrrr!!!

First, SR definitely does hold more digits. About half the time if you try to send money you may get denied for insufficient funds because of rounding. So say you have "1 BTC" in your account, you could send 1 BTC and be given an insufficient funds error because your actual value is .995 BTC. But you could successfully send .99BTC. So SR is tracking that info. I'd agree on a motion to add a 3rd digit to visibility though given how high the BTC is going.

The other thing I've noticed is (for vendors) when buyers finalize transactions, the conversion rate is always a little bit off (higher than the BTC value) so we end up getting less coins than were hedged. It's usually between .25-.5BTC difference. Vendors can divide the transaction total from the transaction history by the actual amount of the withdrawn bitcoins for each transaction and you'll see what I mean. When the BTC is moving upwards it's not a big deal at all, but downwards or flat momentum and you get hit with the difference. With the BTC having so much momentum these last few days you'd have to catch it right when a transaction finalizes to be able to calc the difference accurately.

Maybe SR is just pulling their own BTC value from a different exchange not listed here though: http://www.bitcoincharts.com/markets/ - in which case it's a site-wide problem because everyone is being charged a higher BTC value than it actually is. Where does SR pull their current value from? Is there anywhere we can view it?

Headline is a little misleading, not sure I would call this stealing as this is new territory for the BTC :)
Title: Re: SR needs more signifcant digits when viewing btc, could be theft by DPR
Post by: CrazyBart on March 22, 2013, 06:15 pm


Maybe SR is just pulling their own BTC value from a different exchange not listed here though: http://www.bitcoincharts.com/markets/ - in which case it's a site-wide problem because everyone is being charged a higher BTC value than it actually is. Where does SR pull their current value from? Is there anywhere we can view it?


Mtgox weighted average. Mtgox.com
Title: Re: SR needs more signifcant digits when viewing btc, could be theft by DPR
Post by: wackmanblu on March 22, 2013, 06:21 pm
I would agree, 3 or 4 decimal places would be much more transparent.
Title: Re: SR needs more signifcant digits when viewing btc, could be theft by DPR
Post by: ArmTrax on March 22, 2013, 07:02 pm
I doubt there is any crooked intention behind this. It wasn't too long ago that BTC were around 10 bucks each, like, in December.

So, the fact that they are now so high makes unexpected changes to how we view them necessary. Smart of you to catch this.
Title: Re: SR needs more signifcant digits when viewing btc, could be theft by DPR
Post by: astor on March 22, 2013, 09:54 pm


Maybe SR is just pulling their own BTC value from a different exchange not listed here though: http://www.bitcoincharts.com/markets/ - in which case it's a site-wide problem because everyone is being charged a higher BTC value than it actually is. Where does SR pull their current value from? Is there anywhere we can view it?


Mtgox weighted average. Mtgox.com

When BTC is rising in value, the MtGox weighted average over any time period will be lower than the current price.
Title: Re: SR needs more signifcant digits when viewing btc, could be theft by DPR
Post by: matosago on March 22, 2013, 10:27 pm
I'm pretty sure I remember reading that when coins go to the tumbler everything beyond two decimal places is lost to the tumbler.  Probably not as significant when coins were 10$ or less.r
Title: Re: SR needs more signifcant digits when viewing btc, could be theft by DPR
Post by: EarlyCuylerTOR on March 22, 2013, 10:36 pm
I would agree, 3 or 4 decimal places would be much more transparent.
 

Why not all the decimal places?  I can't remember how far out BTC goes, but anything that leads to more transparency is a good thing.
Title: Re: SR needs more signifcant digits when viewing btc, could be theft by DPR
Post by: RoxiPal on March 22, 2013, 10:42 pm
It would be great if we could get confirmation on @matosago claim about the tumbler removing anything sig digits after 2... Seems unlikely in my opinion but it's best to get it confirmed.
Title: Re: SR needs more signifcant digits when viewing btc, could be theft by DPR
Post by: frankfurta68 on March 22, 2013, 10:56 pm
Do you really think DPR is interested in 0.00xxxxxxx BTC when there is probably 100,000+ coins on the site at any one time?
Title: Re: SR needs more signifcant digits when viewing btc, could be theft by DPR
Post by: EarlyCuylerTOR on March 22, 2013, 11:15 pm
Do you really think DPR is interested in 0.00xxxxxxx BTC when there is probably 100,000+ coins on the site at any one time?
 

It's the principle, no?
Title: Re: SR needs more signifcant digits when viewing btc, could be theft by DPR
Post by: Fallkniven on March 22, 2013, 11:43 pm
I say put all the decimal places in for us to see. This will stop any chance of said 'skimming'
Title: Re: SR needs more signifcant digits when viewing btc, could be theft by DPR
Post by: febbraio2468 on March 25, 2013, 03:01 am
I say put all the decimal places in for us to see. This will stop any chance of said 'skimming'

I agree, I vote for all the decimal places.
Title: Re: SR needs more signifcant digits when viewing btc, could be theft by DPR
Post by: Arcturian on March 25, 2013, 03:14 am
Theres a lot of details that need going over on the road but give it time, i'm sure security is their key priority and what with all the media attention i bet the majority of the time is spent on security. I do agree this is something thats needed, but i'd much rather SR doesnt get shut down  :D
Title: Re: SR needs more signifcant digits when viewing btc, could be theft by DPR
Post by: mode on March 25, 2013, 04:40 am
/sign
Title: Re: SR needs more signifcant digits when viewing btc, could be theft by DPR
Post by: shermit on March 25, 2013, 05:40 am
the precision is in there, just not visible - annoying but a simple workaround is trial and error; my account was showing 0.01 which i wanted to get out but kept getting 'insufficient funds', tried 0.009, 0.008, 0.007 and bingo, its coming my way :) i can't really see SR or DPR skimming accounts for breadcrumbs when they're making so much money already - it is their business smart that keeps this place going ;)
Title: Re: SR needs more signifcant digits when viewing btc, could be theft by DPR
Post by: wackmanblu on March 25, 2013, 09:26 pm
It's not about skimming or trust or suspicion, it's simply about accuracy and transparency.  I just want to know how many BtC fractions I have in my account. Mathematically BtC will only become more valuable as time goes by, they are predetermined to deflate not inflate, so as long as they're being used they will be worth something.
Title: Re: SR needs more signifcant digits when viewing btc, could be theft by DPR
Post by: sleepyeyes2k2 on March 25, 2013, 10:24 pm
I'm kind of on the side of pushing out to the full 8 digits, just because I'm broke most of the time, and every little bit helps.  But, as a former LEO, I can tell you that specificity can kill you in the courtroom.  If you sent 1.85647362BTC from the address you funded through bitinstant, and within an hour, that address transferred 1.85647362BTC to the Road, well, that's pretty convincing evidence.  So, I like the specificity, but definitely route your coins through different addresses.  If you don't want to spend the money hiding behind proxies, definitely use a laundry service.  It's worth what it costs.
Title: Re: SR needs more signifcant digits when viewing btc, could be theft by DPR
Post by: Ben on March 26, 2013, 03:14 am
Given the exchange rates of  BTC it ould certainly be best to implement full resolution now.

I'm sure the current implementation worked out fine when btc was at us$5, but at $70 we are seeing ronding differences. These are not problematic right now (under 1%) but that may change quicly when the bank accounts on cyprus become accessible again.

Title: Re: SR needs more signifcant digits when viewing btc, could be theft by DPR
Post by: Rent0n on March 26, 2013, 01:16 pm
i would vote to show the entire bitcoin decimal... why not? cus its 'cleaner' looking?

DPR most likely is not taking anything from us in this way.. but it would be nice to see everything we have to know for sure.. and why not?
Title: Re: SR needs more signifcant digits when viewing btc, could be theft by DPR
Post by: phoboss on March 26, 2013, 04:14 pm
Can someone explain to me what 0.012345.5433456.756788.975124.134567.864267.9433577.742234678.7422124568. Costs please is it all as much as 1,cent or hundredth that now would it be worth skimming for thin air I guess not......transparency and dec points etc etc WTF man listen work out these figures I've placed above and I'll give you 1,btc ok phew man some people are just sooooo %×=#$$##^£#£÷₩÷₩÷&÷^÷ and "##=_×7 (×¥, ¥×,÷4/÷=:_! £$?#! too
Title: Re: SR needs more signifcant digits when viewing btc, could be theft by DPR
Post by: talawtam on March 26, 2013, 04:28 pm
Can someone explain to me what 0.012345.5433456.756788.975124.134567.864267.9433577.742234678.7422124568. Costs please is it all as much as 1,cent or hundredth that now would it be worth skimming for thin air I guess not......transparency and dec points etc etc WTF man listen work out these figures I've placed above and I'll give you 1,btc ok phew man some people are just sooooo %×=#$$##^£#£÷₩÷₩÷&÷^÷ and "##=_×7 (×¥, ¥×,÷4/÷=:_! £$?#! too

Maybe you're being sarcastic, plain ignorant or I'm just reading you wrong, but what exactly do you mean? Bitcoin is divisible be 8 decimal places e.g. 1.00000000. I see no reason why these decimals cant be displayed. It will HAVE too if a bitcoin is worth thousands in the future for example. I'm all for it. Quite often i have 0.1 left over from purchases and cant be arsed with multiple attempts at withdrawing it.