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Discussion => Off topic => Topic started by: masterblaster on March 15, 2013, 05:55 am
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God i love freedom.
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That's not freedom, that's abuse.
I typically like your comments, I hope you're just trolling.
All fucking pedos should die a slow and very painful death.
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That's not freedom, that's abuse.
I typically like your comments, I hope you're just trolling.
All fucking pedos should die a slow and very painful death.
Agreed.
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i don't like it but to be honest I don't care about those that do
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masterblaster you really are a grade A fuckwit troll of the highest order posting shit like this.
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fucking sick bastard, everyone of these dirtbags should get 3 behind the ear !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Someone should make a site on the dark net where you can watch pedo's being killed.
I'd even pay to use it.
Scum of the earth >:(
Worst thing is, you get a longer time in jail for selling drugs than you do for having like 10'000 kiddy porn images on your computer. This world is fucked.
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GTFO bitch
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Someone should make a site on the dark net where you can watch pedo's being killed.
I'd even pay to use it.
that's a brilliant idea bro
I too would pay to see those bastards suffer
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I see a lot of you people love violence and torture. That says much more about you than about anyone who may be different; don't you know that?
I don't support coercion or abuse of any kind, but having feelings that are out of the mainstream, as long as they do not involve *see above*, do not deserve such vitriol.
Hypocrisy and sanctimoniousness do not make one a better person. A sage once said, "he who is without sin, let him cast the first stone".
goblin
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No, I don't even like to think that the shit actually exists . I'm all for freedom but come on man.
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This is a fucking troll thread, and yeah, fuck you masterblaster.
But it does raise a serious question. In reality, it's not really their fault that they are attracted to children. Like other deviant sexual preferences, it's not a choice. We can't kill them (like so many people suggest), because it's morally indefensible. That'd be like killing homosexuals. A lot of parallels can be drawn between the two, but there is one major difference: homosexuals have sex with other homo- or bisexuals with mutual consent. Pedophiles do not have that option - no child can consent to sex.
We can't 'cure' them either. Psychiatry have tried, but has come to the conclusion that sexual preferences cannot be altered. We used to sterilize sexual deviants either medicinally or surgically, because it removes sexual desire - but it comes at a high price, with serious side effects, which could be considered torture. Hence this practice has died out in most of the modern world.
In Germany, a hotline was created for pedophiles, where they could call to get counseling on how to deal with their urges - the hotline was overwhelmed with calls. There are many out there, and most of them never hurt any children, but live in terrible agony and shame because of something they don't want and didn't choose, but is hardwired into their sick little brain.
So that leaves the question: What the hell do we do with pedophiles?
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Someone should make a site on the dark net where you can watch pedo's being killed.
Problem Solved.
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Someone should make a site on the dark net where you can watch pedo's being killed.
I'd even pay to use it.
Hell, I'd throw down on that. Pretty much answers NorthSouth's question right there.
Of course, I've always wanted to see a kind of gladiatorial system in place for the worst of offenders. Pedophiles, Rapists, and Serial Murderers (Maybe bankers) would face off in a ring. If they win, they continue living (At least until their next match), if they lose - they're dead. People would pay for it, sponsor fighters, bet on it - it'd be a whole bucket of bloody fun. To give them something to fight for, if they win something like 50 fights then their death sentence is removed and they get a bigger cell with a better bed until they die of natural causes. No waiting in a cell for 30 years to get the chair someday long after people lost all their give a fuck.
Hell, there could even be theme fights. The possibilities are endless!
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masterblaster there is no room on this forum for your profound vulgarity. You are an embarrassment to humanity, please go and sort yourself out for the sake of yourself and for the sake of those around you. Castration followed by vasectomy will be a good start!
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masterblaster there is no room on this forum for your profound vulgarity. You are an embarrassment to humanity, please go and sort yourself out for the sake of yourself and for the sake of those around you. Castration followed by vasectomy will be a good start!
You rock. If I knew how to give karma you'd get some.
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Child pornography is wrong. Don't allow your sexuality to poison your soul. Stop exposing yourself to child pornography. Stop masturbating. Even if you are not involved in the production of child pornography, getting off on it is extremely bad karma. You will go to hell. I don't wish it upon you, but it will happen, if you continue.
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Child pornography is wrong. Don't allow your sexuality to poison your soul. Stop exposing yourself to child pornography. Stop masturbating. Even if you are not involved in the production of child pornography, getting off on it is extremely bad karma. You will go to hell. I don't wish it upon you, but it will happen, if you continue.
He's going to hell? Please...
This comes from a registered religious member of Silk Road. An online illegal drugs marketplace!
The irony here is amazing :)
AND you call yourself 'The Scientist'
WTFLOLROFL
(dont get me wrong, im against child pornography too)
Let's not forget to mention how Religion is making the world safe for paedophiles by trying to hide the fact that most of the priests fuck young alter boys.
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He's going to hell? Please...
Hell is terrestrial.
This comes from a registered religious member of Silk Road. An online illegal drugs marketplace!
The irony here is amazing :)
It seems you have not progressed beyond the fourth stage (i.e. "law and order morality") of Kohlberg's index of moral development; that is, you fail to grasp the distinction between what is legal and what is moral and how the two may not be equivalent.
Child pornography is wrong because it is exploitative and psychologically destructive to children.
Buying psychedelic drugs is not wrong because it is beneficial to those who use them responsibly.
The illegality of the two is irrelevant to their morality or immorality.
By saying it is 'ironic' to purchase illegal drugs while denouncing child pornography, you are implying a moral equivalency between these two activities based solely on their illegality. The difference is that one is wrong, the other is right or at least morally neutral.
AND you call yourself 'The Scientist'
What relevance is that?
Actually, if you studied their biographies, you'd find that the motivating factor in the careers of many great scientists is intensely spiritual, mystical, and religious.
There is nothing in science that is contrary to religious truth. The antagonism is really between materialism and religion, not science and religion; but science has dispensed with materialism since the early 20th century. If you think science presupposes materialism, then you are subscribing to an antiquated view of science.
Anyway, I don't even mention the fact that I am trained as a scientist. Yes, it's my username, but I don't go around saying "I am a scientist, therefore I am right". I support my opinions with facts and arguments.
Let's not forget to mention how Religion is making the world safe for paedophiles by trying to hide the fact that most of the priests fuck young alter boys.
You are confusing organised religion with religion as such. If priests are molesting boys, they are behaving contrary to the dictates of their own religion. I am not a Christian, in any case, but I have a tremendous admiration for the personality and teachings of Jesus Christ.
(Incidentally, the incidence of child molestation among priests is roughly equal to that of school teachers and psychiatrists. It does not appear that priests have a higher proclivity to this activity than members of other professions that deal with children. But I don't defend organised religion in any case.)
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This argument will go nowhere, as we are firm on our own particular lifestyle beliefs.
Argue with the writer of this website instead, it should be fun for both of you.
http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/donald_morgan/absurd.html
"Religion is like a penis. It's fine to have one and it's fine to be proud of it, but please don't whip it out in public and start waving it around... and PLEASE don't try to shove it down my child's throat."
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ok now that we've established the fact that child porn is completely fucked up and everybody everywhere needs to die in hell with their ballsacks torn apart skin layer by skin layer with a VERY rusty blade thats been recently taken out of the fires of morodor....I do occasionally catch myself having to look at some girls twice to see if I am legally allowed to be going for that, what guy doesnt?
I mean I have seen plenty of 17 year olds that look like their in their low twenties, and yet their still considered a "child" by law, even if their body is hella tight, if you will. and at the same time some extremely hot girls that are really 29 and look like their playing hooky from high school.
now the real pedos that like hang out at playgrounds and shit like that, I would have absolutely no problem stringing them up by their intestines and very slowly doing the procedure located at the top of this post.
Carry on!
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The fact that 10 year old girls today dress like 25 year old sluts doesn't help the paedos either.
This comes down to a lack of discipline from parents towards their children.
Which comes down to not wanting to look like a bad parent in front of others.
Which comes down to the religious term - Vanity - excessive self-regard and/or overblown pride.
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Not a fan of prepubescent children, teens can be attractive though.
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Someone should make a site on the dark net where you can watch pedo's being killed.
I'd even pay to use it.
Scum of the earth >:(
Worst thing is, you get a longer time in jail for selling drugs than you do for having like 10'000 kiddy porn images on your computer. This world is fucked.
Although both things should be legal, people selling drugs has almost undoubtedly done more damage to the world than all the CP collectors in the world have (by virtue of collecting CP anyway). Of course most of the damage done by the drug selling is actually done by the government by proxy, but there are not cartels of CP traffickers murdering tens of thousands of innocent people a year, and the CP collectors actually funding child abuse are but a small minority, and increasingly smaller.
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This argument will go nowhere, as we are firm on our own particular lifestyle beliefs.
Faith and dogma play no role in my beliefs. I am an open-minded skeptic by nature. I was reluctantly converted to spiritual truth by revelatory experiences, which have only been reinforced by scientific and philosophical arguments. Direct experience opened my mind to spirituality, no faith, dogma, or wishful thinking.
Argue with the writer of this website instead, it should be fun for both of you.
http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/donald_morgan/absurd.html
I've been a member of the forum infidels.org since 2001 (the forum has since been transferred to www.freeratio.org). I was an atheist until February of last year. I've been an atheist for most of my life. I'm quite familiar with the arguments of Richard Dawkins, Daniel Dennett, Russell, Hitchens, etc. I used to use them myself when debating with Christians and other religious people.
This kind of shallow critique of spirituality just doesn't impress me any more. I've been where you are.
"Religion is like a penis. It's fine to have one and it's fine to be proud of it, but please don't whip it out in public and start waving it around... and PLEASE don't try to shove it down my child's throat."
I couldn't disagree with that more. Ultimate truths should be made known to all - whether the ultimate truths are atheistic or spiritual. Anyway, nowadays it tends to be atheists and materialists who are most public about their faith.
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i dunno some good ole kindergartener on kindergartener butt sex would make me smile...so if they made that kind(not grow-up on kiddie) i would have smiled...thus i must like it....so by that logic.....ME!
tehe but seriously fuck child porn. fuck child porn in its tyte, prepubescent, virgin little ass. ( god i know the humors dark)
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Not a fan of prepubescent children, teens can be attractive though.
You were a fan of prepubescent children before this thread.......weren't you? With all your .edu the stands you sometimes take are amazing. (I'm not even trolling, I'm trying to be nice, but not good at it.)
Teens can be legal though. Age of consent is 17. Age of legal adulthood id 18. And no, don't throw all t[edit. you know what i actually dont give a fuck]
Piece, Love, and Fuck Haters.
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Not a fan of prepubescent children, teens can be attractive though.
You were a fan of prepubescent children before this thread.......weren't you? With all your .edu the stands you sometimes take are amazing. (I'm not even trolling, I'm trying to be nice, but not good at it.)
Teens can be legal though. Age of consent is 17. Age of legal adulthood id 18. And no, don't throw all t[edit. you know what i actually dont give a fuck]
Piece, Love, and Fuck Haters.
Nope never been fan of prepubescents, pretty much anything under 14 I am not attracted to, don't give much of a fuck about what is legal honestly although I don't go out trying to fuck highschool girls regardless. Don't give any shits about people looking at CP of any age or variety, all arguments I have heard against CP possession being legal are fundamentally flawed , some more so than others. Pretty much I think people should be free to do what they like so long as they do not hurt others, anonymously looking at pictures of other people hurting others is not really hurting others and nothing is likely to convince me otherwise (I have heard all flawed arguments, they are not convincing). Pretty much sums things up I guess.
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I honestly kind of doubt this dude is actually into child porn. If he really was, he probably wouldn't start a thread like this. Then again he very may well be a pedo, but I just think he's trolling. Either way, he obviously gets a rise from pissing people off, and because of that, I think he's an asshole regardless of whether or not he gets off on seeing little kids naked.
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Chemical castration and/or incarceration, seems have the "best" results for society. Mentally ill people who pose a possible threat are locked away and pacified medicinally all the time.
Kmf you obviously don't have children and I doubt you ever will.
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the son of who would you like to have fun?
in jail will make you an ass like a bucket
SOB
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Chemical castration and/or incarceration, seems have the "best" results for society. Mentally ill people who pose a possible threat are locked away and pacified medicinally all the time.
Kmf you obviously don't have children and I doubt you ever will.
Do you find it at all strange that for thousands of years humans regularly engaged in sexual intercourse with people from age twelve and above, and only in quite recent times did the socially accepted age of sexual intercourse increase by several years, particularly in the USA which has one of the highest ages of consent in the *entire fucking world*? It seems to me like it is pretty much natural for males to be attracted to anyone who is post pubescent, certainly to be attracted to people who are illegal in all of the USA, but recent artificial cultural shaping has caused most people to suppress this natural tendency, in the USA in particular to what can only be described by a rational human as a pathological degree.
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i personally find teens attractive.
i am young , but i mean fuck there are many things you could call "child porn".
literally watching a little girl get fucked, is fucked up.
but looking at nudes of teens shouldnt be such a taboo i dont think.
i feel like everyone took this so harshly haha. why the fuck do you care what someone else does with their life?
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1880 1920 2007
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God i love freedom.
God cant help you. The devil will take care of you.
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Yo Scout, lock this one down dude.. this blaster cunt will rot in a miserable grave. Dont deserve to have the satisfaction of having a thread open.
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Isn't it ironic that pictures of children being sexually abused are illegal, while pictures of children being tortured or killed, or pics of dead kids, are legal (as long as they are fully clothed)?
Pictures of rape and sexual abuse of adults are also legal.
How do you square that?
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Isn't it ironic that pictures of children being sexually abused are illegal, while pictures of children being tortured or killed, or pics of dead kids, are legal (as long as they are fully clothed)?
Pictures of rape and sexual abuse of adults are also legal.
How do you square that?
isn't it ironic that pictures of 17 year old girls flashing are illegal , but it is perfectly legal to fuck 17 year old girls in several parts of the USA? I think the most strange thing is that in the USA the difference between an upstanding citizen and a child sex predator is a few miles of land separating states.
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Define "Child porn".
and what about me? I love me some jailbait, and shouldnt it be more acceptable that I enjoy it over regular porn, considering Im not even 17 years old?
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You're fucking 16?!
Kids shouldnt be using SR.
GTFO!
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Define "Child porn".
and what about me? I love me some jailbait, and shouldnt it be more acceptable that I enjoy it over regular porn, considering Im not even 17 years old?
Just don't get busted , jailbait porn is still technically CP and can get you charged with the same shit as having any other type of CP. Although it is low priority of LE, sort of like the marijuana of child porn I suppose (maybe even less of priority really).
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Not a fan of prepubescent children, teens can be attractive though.
You were a fan of prepubescent children before this thread.......weren't you? With all your .edu the stands you sometimes take are amazing. (I'm not even trolling, I'm trying to be nice, but not good at it.)
Teens can be legal though. Age of consent is 17. Age of legal adulthood id 18. And no, don't throw all t[edit. you know what i actually dont give a fuck]
Piece, Love, and Fuck Haters.
Nope never been fan of prepubescents, pretty much anything under 14 I am not attracted to, don't give much of a fuck about what is legal honestly although I don't go out trying to fuck highschool girls regardless. Don't give any shits about people looking at CP of any age or variety, all arguments I have heard against CP possession being legal are fundamentally flawed , some more so than others. Pretty much I think people should be free to do what they like so long as they do not hurt others, anonymously looking at pictures of other people hurting others is not really hurting others and nothing is likely to convince me otherwise (I have heard all flawed arguments, they are not convincing). Pretty much sums things up I guess.
Okay so YOU'RE not a fan, but saying other people should be free to be if they want to. I pretty much agree with Pinkbits or Pinksomething or whatever on the Philosophy thread. There IS an ugly side to at least some types of child pornography, very ugly, you obviously didn't see those sites or you'd want to choke the fuck out of these people, chainsaw their fucking arms off and cut off their fucking limp [edit.], assuming you were decent. There's abuse present in child pornography, at least some types, like you wouldn't believe. And I don't want a whole heap of stats on this. This isn't a freedom of choice issue. Tell that to the mothers of 5 year old girls who have been brutalised beyond belief and murdered, jesus, it isn't child pornography in some instances its snuff. My point is some things have a spin-off effect. TBO, the only way to treat these fuckers is how they have treated these children.
Piece, Love, and Fuck Haters.
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I honestly kind of doubt this dude is actually into child porn. If he really was, he probably wouldn't start a thread like this. Then again he very may well be a pedo, but I just think he's trolling. Either way, he obviously gets a rise from pissing people off, and because of that, I think he's an asshole regardless of whether or not he gets off on seeing little kids naked.
Neither do I. Typical pedos don't advertise, trust me, I have known some personally and they are manipulative and private cunts. He's gotta be a troll. But he also has a high post count and has just pissed it away. He was logged in while replies were coming in yet didn't pull the thread. Is this some kind of stupid social experiment?
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You're fucking 16?!
Kids shouldnt be using SR.
GTFO!
I was moderator on underground drug forums when I was such an age, part admin of my own shortly after, with people same age running it. Shit some of the biggest vendors in history of the scene started on drug forums as teenagers. You would be surprised.
Okay so YOU'RE not a fan, but saying other people should be free to be if they want to. I pretty much agree with Pinkbits or Pinksomething or whatever on the Philosophy thread. There IS an ugly side to at least some types of child pornography, very ugly, you obviously didn't see those sites or you'd want to choke the fuck out of these people, chainsaw their fucking arms off and cut off their fucking limp [edit.], assuming you were decent. There's abuse present in child pornography, at least some types, like you wouldn't believe. And I don't want a whole heap of stats on this. This isn't a freedom of choice issue. Tell that to the mothers of 5 year old girls who have been brutalised beyond belief and murdered, jesus, it isn't child pornography in some instances its snuff. My point is some things have a spin-off effect. TBO, the only way to treat these fuckers is how they have treated these children.
Piece, Love, and Fuck Haters.
I know some CP is horribly disgusting and disturbing beyond belief. People making such things do not get any pity from me, they deserve worse than they get now. Lots of CP has abuse in production really, to different degrees of course, the only CP I think has no abuse aspect is a lot of jailbait anyway. The thing you do that is irrational is you equate producers to consumers, it is like your hate of them is too big to contain and you let it spill over to others. The people who look at a picture of the worst CP, they are not the ones who hurt anybody. Put the blame where it belongs on the people doing the bad things, when you put the blame for them onto others you make it seem like they are not as bad as they are while making others seem much worse than they are.
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There IS an ugly side to at least some types of child pornography, very ugly, you obviously didn't see those sites or you'd want to choke the fuck out of these people, chainsaw their fucking arms off and cut off their fucking limp [edit.], assuming you were decent. There's abuse present in child pornography, at least some types, like you wouldn't believe. And I don't want a whole heap of stats on this. This isn't a freedom of choice issue. Tell that to the mothers of 5 year old girls who have been brutalised beyond belief and murdered, jesus, it isn't child pornography in some instances its snuff. My point is some things have a spin-off effect. TBO, the only way to treat these fuckers is how they have treated these children.
I don't think anyone is arguing that the people perpetrating the abuse shouldn't be punished. The question is whether viewing images of the crime should be illegal, and if so, what about images of other crimes?
You can go on any number of shock and gore sites right now and view pics and videos of kids getting run over by cars, shot, shit like that.
Should that be illegal? I'm sure there are sick fucks in this world who jerk of that shit, and while I personally find it disgusting, I don't think I would want to get into the game of banning "everything that disgusts me".
Now you have to be internally consistent about it. Either cp should be legal or depictions of these kinds of harm done to (clothed) children should be illegal.
Or if the current laws are sufficient, why? What is the difference?
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Chemical castration and/or incarceration, seems have the "best" results for society. Mentally ill people who pose a possible threat are locked away and pacified medicinally all the time.
Kmf you obviously don't have children and I doubt you ever will.
Yeah, weren't they wanting to pass some stupid law in AU (Lol, AU, go figure) where sexual offenders (rapists in U.S.) could have the option of vasectomy in order to reduce jail time? Shit, it's australia for godsakes, rape isn't really a big deal over here or treated seriously anyway, more of a joke really, prison time is going to be shit all anyway. In U.S. I think they are not so retarded with rape and tend not to think it's funny. But over here it's a bit of a chuckle. Small country, small people, small standards, what can I tell you. It can be reversed as soon as the offender gets out and they can get away with it all over again, as rapists are recidivists by nature. IMAHO, replace vasectomy with chemical castration and you'll reduce rape the day the bill passes.
Piece, Love, and Fuck Haters.
"Warning - while you were reading 9 new replies have been posted. You may wish to review your post." Yeah, that's not my fault, my wrist is getting numb.
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Do you find it at all strange that for thousands of years humans regularly engaged in sexual intercourse with people from age twelve and above, and only in quite recent times did the socially accepted age of sexual intercourse increase by several years, particularly in the USA which has one of the highest ages of consent in the *entire fucking world*? It seems to me like it is pretty much natural for males to be attracted to anyone who is post pubescent, certainly to be attracted to people who are illegal in all of the USA, but recent artificial cultural shaping has caused most people to suppress this natural tendency, in the USA in particular to what can only be described by a rational human as a pathological degree.
You're looking at it from a different perspective to the way I am. You're entitled to. .............................................................. m o t h e r f u c k e r........ I'm so stupid. This troll doesn't like child porn he prolly wants YOU to talk about it and get sucked in to a debate about it. It's possible that's why this thread was started in first place. To deliberately start a shit-storm and sit back and laugh or get off on it. Anyway, whatever, moving on, you appear to be looking at it from an analytical viewpoint, I'm looking at it from a human viewpoint. And I still agree with pinkbits or whatever his name was. Can't remember word for word what it was now. :-\
Piece, Love, and Fuck Haters.
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Razorspyne, are you signing off with 'Piece' on purpose?
Do you mean Peace as in calm, quiet, tranquil?
Or Piece as in, piece of pie, or to carry a 'piece'?
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Any fuck who enjoys CP (and I don't mean 17 yr. old chicks, I mean 8-10 yr olds jerking off some fuck) should be done like the Jesus character in "Passion of the Christ", and then while they're hanging on a cross, sprayed down with a vinegar & salt solution. In the past when I worked at a PC repair shop, we found a lot (20%) of CP on this guy's computer. We at that shop had high respect for privacy, much like a doctor & patient privacy, but we almost called the cops on this scunbag. We elected not to as none of the pics that we saw were modern, none showed him getting sucked off by a pre-puberty kid. So we figured he was a sick fuck who had a sick (in the bad way) collection of shit. But we did think long & hard (no pun meant) about reporting this fuck.
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Here's what I sort of figure: child(and I mean CHILD) porn should be legal to distribute, punishable by death to film. that way, it'll be easier to track down child porn studios. Also, existing child porn will be easier to find archives of, and since it'll be easier to access, child porn studios will no longer be offering a rare, lucrative commodity. Additionally, viewers of child porn will be able to easier fulfill their fantasies. Children wont have to be harmed, since there is already currently enough child porn in existence to satisfy all the pedos. The damage has been done, might as well make use of what came of it. You might not agree with the methods by which the knowledge was gained, but regardless of how you feel, nearly all of humanity's scientific data of the effects of extremely cold temperatures on the human body(knowledge which has been applied to be very useful and save many lives) was learned from Nazi experiments.
An agreement can be made that to view the child porn, they sacrifice some of their privacy so that whatever authority figure is in place can better keep tabs on them, and ensure they dont take their fetish to the next level. and since their fetish will no longer be so taboo, they might be more willing to come out about it, so as to be embraced by a government that responds, not with persecution, but with mental health & counseling services. To go one more level further of exchanging pragmatism for ethics, an initiative could be set up, so as to observe just how traumatizing sexual acts actually are on children, and learn ways in which those acts could be carried out so as to mitigate the trauma, and ways which would be most effective in post-child-sex-abuse years to learn the most effective trauma-negating counseling methods. You of course wouldn't be able to completely make up(from an ethical standpoint) for subjecting children to such things, but sums of money that ensure a high uality of life in their later years would of course help. Im not actually advocating this, but it's a fact that the world is gradually becoming more progressive, and such a concept might not seem so unreasonable to people in the future.
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As far as the ethics of jailbait are concerned, if a 15 year old has C-cup titties, theres notning wrong with fapping to it.
If jailbait was made legal, would it be easier for porn studios to manipulate emotionally unstable teenagers not mature of to make decisions rationally, especially at a point in their lives where they are financially unstable? Sure, but that's the issue you tackle; dont ban jailbait as a whole. If drunk driving is dangerous, then outlaw it specifically, instead of all banning all consumption of ethanol.
I've gotten a blowjob from a 14-year old before. Was I more "mentally capable of rationality" of her, and thus, "manipulating her emotions and taking advantage of her reduced ability to make judgements and her sexual insecurity in the face of being pressured into doing so" by making out with her and realizing she'd let the situation go to the "next level"? Well, I was going to say "no", but I realized after writing that sentence out that it was more accurate than I initially intended. But nonetheless, she still made the decision. and as far as nature is concerned, she was of sexual maturity. and I guess I could also bring up how the ethics of sexuality are arbitrary.
Besides all that, distribution of jailbait wouldnt be contingent upon a a soley-concerned-with-profit porn studio for distribution, and the combination of iPhones, bathroom mirrors, and boyfriends a grade-level above making reQuests has proven.
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Here's what I sort of figure: child(and I mean CHILD) porn should be legal to distribute, punishable by death to film. that way, it'll be easier to track down child porn studios. Also, existing child porn will be easier to find archives of, and since it'll be easier to access, child porn studios will no longer be offering a rare, lucrative commodity. Additionally, viewers of child porn will be able to easier fulfill their fantasies. Children wont have to be harmed, since there is already currently enough child porn in existence to satisfy all the pedos. The damage has been done, might as well make use of what came of it. You might not agree with the methods by which the knowledge was gained, but regardless of how you feel, nearly all of humanity's scientific data of the effects of extremely cold temperatures on the human body(knowledge which has been applied to be very useful and save many lives) was learned from Nazi experiments.
Agree entirely (cept for CP studios offering a rare lucrative commodity, CP is pretty common and usually free). The solution is to make it so sex offenses that are REAL are severely punished, and be libertarian as fuck about everything else. It just fits in with the general theme of nobody being able to bitch about a libertarian world really. Legalize CP possession and distribution, lower age of consent to 14, take the people who pissed in the street off the sex offender lists. Now the remaining people on sex offender lists are actually sick fucks who have done serious harm to people, there is no more controversy to be had, they should be punished severely and strict laws against anything else. All this punishing people for bullshit because of moral panties being in a bunch is ruining the entire fucking world, I am so sick of it. People need to get over their fucking issues already, it is okay, we can be free omg !! We do not need to feel bad about our human nature. I think that religion and the government must have seriously warped the minds of god damn nearly everybody on this planet, we are afraid and ashamed of sex we are afraid and ashamed of drug use. We have no tolerance for people who do things we find disgusting even if they are not hurting anybody. In my mind it is no different to want to castrate somebody for looking at CP than it is to want to beat up some gay people. If CP looker rapes a child then it is justified, if gay person rapes a man / woman it is justified. Otherwise they cause no harm leave them the fuck alone and mind your own business. People say omg omg omg pedophiles rape children we must punish CP viewers. Why not say omg omg omg men rape women let's punish porn viewers. They mix shit up so much it makes me nauseated to see their logic.
An agreement can be made that to view the child porn, they sacrifice some of their privacy so that whatever authority figure is in place can better keep tabs on them, and ensure they dont take their fetish to the next level. and since their fetish will no longer be so taboo, they might be more willing to come out about it, so as to be embraced by a government that responds, not with persecution, but with mental health & counseling services.
I don't like idea of government monitoring people who have not hurt anybody. Should all males be monitored as potential rapists? Guess what there is actually a huge body of evidence that it is common for males to fantasize about rape, and really many probably feel urge to rape. It makes sense really from an evolutionary perspective, if there is any genetic component to rape the rape gene is going to be extremely prominent considering for most of the history of humans rapists were not punished or even easy to identify in the first place. But despite this only a small percentage of men rape women. And I see this parallels with pedophiles. They inherently desire to have sex with children, which is in itself inherently rape. It does not mean that they are going to go out and rape a ton of kids anymore than a normal man is going to go out and rape a bunch of females.
To go one more level further of exchanging pragmatism for ethics, an initiative could be set up, so as to observe just how traumatizing sexual acts actually are on children, and learn ways in which those acts could be carried out so as to mitigate the trauma, and ways which would be most effective in post-child-sex-abuse years to learn the most effective trauma-negating counseling methods. You of course wouldn't be able to completely make up(from an ethical standpoint) for subjecting children to such things, but sums of money that ensure a high uality of life in their later years would of course help. Im not actually advocating this, but it's a fact that the world is gradually becoming more progressive, and such a concept might not seem so unreasonable to people in the future.
Already some libertarian and anarchist leaning people have suggested legalization of voluntary child prostitution. Their logic is that poor impoverished children in third world countries may see it in their benefit to do this, and that the current laws against this do more harm than good to such children, who end up starved to death rather than molested and living. They also say this will lower market value for child prostitution and lead to less adults using coercion to make children prostitute themselves, as they will not be able to make as much money from it. I....don't really care about this. I will argue strongly as fuck that we should not harass people for viewing images or videos of anything. I will let more extremist libertarians argue for legalization of voluntary child prostitution, or that such a thing could actually exist. I doubt they have much luck.
As far as the ethics of jailbait are concerned, if a 15 year old has C-cup titties, theres notning wrong with fapping to it.
I really find it impossible to imagine that most men are not attracted to 15 year old girls. I mean, photographic forensic scientists cannot even reliably differentiate between girls of 14.5 years old and 18 years old, so what makes them think that they can? Teenagers are sexually matured physically, in a lot of the developed world (and undeveloped, and developing) 13, 14, 15 years old is legal for sex anyway. And are we not biologically wired to be attracted to fertility and youth? Pretty sure you can't find someone more fertile and youthful than a teenager. I think the people who deny these things are just denying human nature really , they cannot even be honest with themselves because they are ashamed because society tells them to be ashamed and they in turn repeat this to society. It is just one big cluster fuck of liars really, lying to themselves and to each other.
If jailbait was made legal, would it be easier for porn studios to manipulate emotionally unstable teenagers not mature of to make decisions rationally, especially at a point in their lives where they are financially unstable? Sure, but that's the issue you tackle; dont ban jailbait as a whole. If drunk driving is dangerous, then outlaw it specifically, instead of all banning all consumption of ethanol.
Shit vast majority of jailbait porn is made by teenagers with cellphone cameras.
I've gotten a blowjob from a 14-year old before. Was I more "mentally capable of rationality" of her, and thus, "manipulating her emotions and taking advantage of her reduced ability to make judgements and her sexual insecurity in the face of being pressured into doing so" by making out with her and realizing she'd let the situation go to the "next level"? Well, I was going to say "no", but I realized after writing that sentence out that it was more accurate than I initially intended. But nonetheless, she still made the decision. and as far as nature is concerned, she was of sexual maturity. and I guess I could also bring up how the ethics of sexuality are arbitrary.
you could also point out that she is 14 and it isn't like willingly giving a blowjob is going to scar her for life, or probably at all honestly.
Besides all that, distribution of jailbait wouldnt be contingent upon a a soley-concerned-with-profit porn studio for distribution, and the combination of iPhones, bathroom mirrors, and boyfriends a grade-level above making reQuests has proven.
Hell, jailbait has probably even less a for profit component than CP does. I think it is essentially exclusively self produced. Though does seem to be a trend of people extorting teens through the internet after obtaining an initial nude image of them, which of course should be crime still. In fact it is a crime to do that to adults as well.
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(cept for CP studios offering a rare lucrative commodity, CP is pretty common and usually free).
really? The majority of Tor hard-candy sites seem to be paid ones. And what about like third-world porn studios that charge for reuests? Is what Im describing even a thing?
An agreement can be made that to view the child porn, they sacrifice some of their privacy so that whatever authority figure is in place can better keep tabs on them, and ensure they dont take their fetish to the next level. and since their fetish will no longer be so taboo, they might be more willing to come out about it, so as to be embraced by a government that responds, not with persecution, but with mental health & counseling services.
I don't like idea of government monitoring people who have not hurt anybody. Should all males be monitored as potential rapists? Guess what there is actually a huge body of evidence that it is common for males to fantasize about rape, and really many probably feel urge to rape. It makes sense really from an evolutionary perspective, if there is any genetic component to rape the rape gene is going to be extremely prominent considering for most of the history of humans rapists were not punished or even easy to identify in the first place. But despite this only a small percentage of men rape women. And I see this parallels with pedophiles. They inherently desire to have sex with children, which is in itself inherently rape. It does not mean that they are going to go out and rape a ton of kids anymore than a normal man is going to go out and rape a bunch of females.
Well what I said was from the standpoint of trying to come up with a system that might be accepted by the majority of contemporary society. Although I think if someone has a pedo fetish, parents of kids that are at a risk of potentially being affected by that have a right to know. Of course it's a 2-sided argument, and we obviously need to make progress the matter of how, in current day society, sex offenders are treated as sub-human scum. Government involvement also shouldnt be completely off the table. If pedos really have a problem with their urges, if could be helpful for therapists if the government could provide them with a file that had relevant knowledge so as to be able to deliver the best possible treatment. And what about cases wheres there is a genuinely concern-worthy chance that the pedo in question might act on his urges.
I got to say though, the argument against it might not be completely invalid. I realized I had a bondage fetish when I was like 14, and the more Ive been exposed to it, the more Ive been desensitized to it, and it's already at the point where Im only turned by stuff thats really hardcore and largely nonconsensual. To the extent where I dont think it unreasonable that I might act upon one of my rape fantasies at one point in my life.
As far as the ethics of jailbait are concerned, if a 15 year old has C-cup titties, theres notning wrong with fapping to it.
I really find it impossible to imagine that most men are not attracted to 15 year old girls. I mean, photographic forensic scientists cannot even reliably differentiate between girls of 14.5 years old and 18 years old, so what makes them think that they can? Teenagers are sexually matured physically, in a lot of the developed world (and undeveloped, and developing) 13, 14, 15 years old is legal for sex anyway. And are we not biologically wired to be attracted to fertility and youth? Pretty sure you can't find someone more fertile and youthful than a teenager. I think the people who deny these things are just denying human nature really , they cannot even be honest with themselves because they are ashamed because society tells them to be ashamed and they in turn repeat this to society. It is just one big cluster fuck of liars really, lying to themselves and to each other.
[/quote] I dont know if it's just about youth and fertility, or maybe something more. I dont really know, but I often find a picture of a 14-year old more attractive than of an 18 year-old. Almost as if theres an appeal to a girl that is sensitive, and not quite, but mostly fully sexually developed. though maybe it might just be because Im 16, or maybe that most of the underage pornography I'm exposed to is of girls I personally know
If jailbait was made legal, would it be easier for porn studios to manipulate emotionally unstable teenagers not mature of to make decisions rationally, especially at a point in their lives where they are financially unstable? Sure, but that's the issue you tackle; dont ban jailbait as a whole. If drunk driving is dangerous, then outlaw it specifically, instead of all banning all consumption of ethanol.
Shit vast majority of jailbait porn is made by teenagers with cellphone cameras.
though I suppose I'll miss that feeling of elitism and that I'm viewing something special when I get a girl to send me topless pics
Hell, jailbait has probably even less a for profit component than CP does. I think it is essentially exclusively self produced. Though does seem to be a trend of people extorting teens through the internet after obtaining an initial nude image of them, which of course should be crime still. In fact it is a crime to do that to adults as well.
Apparently, the self-driven enterprises of self-employed cam whores is also one of the results of teen nudity that is considered negative. But if youre a girl who decides that youre going to make some money by cam-whoring, you take the initiative to get that set up, and youre smart enough to have jumped through all the necessary hoops(like all the .onion teen camwoheres, who had to have been tech-savvy and enterprising enough to have set up both Tor and Bitcoin), then youre probably also fairly secure about your sexuality, have a moderately high self-esteem, and have a certain degree of mental stability.
This wouldnt excuse people who were to extort girls, but extortion of below 18 girls is a lot more common than for adults. If an adult woman's Facbeook gets hacked and filled with nude pics of that woman, it's not going to be nearly as devestating to her social life as it would be if she was 16. Underage sexuality has largely been painted as something to be ashamed of. The shame of being a slut applies a lot less to adults. Thus, underage-nude-picture extortion wouldnt soon fail to carry a lot of it's impact, if sexuality of 15+ girls was accepted.
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really? The majority of Tor hard-candy sites seem to be paid ones. And what about like third-world porn studios that charge for reuests? Is what Im describing even a thing?
To the best of my knowledge NONE of the Tor hard candy sites are for profit, though I don't follow them closely or really at all. With the popularity of Bitcoin it is possible some are starting to charge for access, but honestly I doubt it. Yes what you describe is a thing, but most CP is distributed freely on public P2P networks, Tor Hidden Services and of course Freenet is probably the biggest cache of CP in the world from what I gather (though I have heard Lolita City on freedom hosting may actually have more. I really don't know, not interested in real CP myself so have not done an in depth comparison between Tor and Freenet hidden services).
I dont know if it's just about youth and fertility, or maybe something more. I dont really know, but I often find a picture of a 14-year old more attractive than of an 18 year-old. Almost as if theres an appeal to a girl that is sensitive, and not quite, but mostly fully sexually developed. though maybe it might just be because Im 16, or maybe that most of the underage pornography I'm exposed to is of girls I personally know
I don't know. I found 14 year old girls attractive when I was 14 and guess I just never stopped. I rather not say my age, but am still considered fairly young myself, although a good bit older than you. Why would my perception of who is attractive change, nothing about them has changed. I didn't find ten year old girls attractive when I was ten and still to this day do not. Seems pretty normal to me. I don't feel exclusively attracted to teenagers by any means, although I do find them particularly attractive. Like a 20 year old girl I would rate an 8 I would probably have a 10 if she was a handful of years younger, but that isn't to say I don't find any 20 year old to rate as highly. There is just some extra beauty in youth (not youth as in 12 year old, fwiw) that fades away pretty quickly after 17, but it is only something extra not beauty in itself.
Apparently, the self-driven enterprises of self-employed cam whores is also one of the results of teen nudity that is considered negative. But if youre a girl who decides that youre going to make some money by cam-whoring, you take the initiative to get that set up, and youre smart enough to have jumped through all the necessary hoops(like all the .onion teen camwoheres, who had to have been tech-savvy and enterprising enough to have set up both Tor and Bitcoin), then youre probably also fairly secure about your sexuality, have a moderately high self-esteem, and have a certain degree of mental stability.
Was not aware of such things on Tor but I suppose I am not surprised considering the amount of such things that happen without any profit model.
This wouldnt excuse people who were to extort girls, but extortion of below 18 girls is a lot more common than for adults. If an adult woman's Facbeook gets hacked and filled with nude pics of that woman, it's not going to be nearly as devestating to her social life as it would be if she was 16. Underage sexuality has largely been painted as something to be ashamed of. The shame of being a slut applies a lot less to adults. Thus, underage-nude-picture extortion wouldnt soon fail to carry a lot of it's impact, if sexuality of 15+ girls was accepted.
Yeah agree with that, but in either case extortion should be illegal.
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Allowing child pornography encourages abuse. It may be free, but abusers are encouraged to produce pornographic material by the respect they earn from other pedophiles in the forums in which they distribute their material.
For example, a pedophile might start start a thread entitled 'My 5 Year Old Daughter'. Other posters will respond by posting 'requests' in which they ask the original poster to perform a specified sexual activity upon the child and post photographs of this activity. After posting the requested photographs, the original poster will then receive a higher status in the community (indicated by positive reputation points or 'karma'). Some members may even donate bitcoins to him.
This isn't just speculation. This is how internet pedophile rings actually operate.
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Allowing child pornography encourages abuse. It may be free, but abusers are encouraged to produce pornographic material by the respect they earn from other pedophiles in the forums in which they distribute their material.
For example, a pedophile might start start a thread entitled 'My 5 Year Old Daughter'. Other posters will respond by posting 'requests' in which they ask the original poster to perform a specified sexual activity upon the child and post photographs of this activity. After posting the requested photographs, the original poster will then receive a higher status in the community (indicated by positive reputation points or 'karma'). Some members may even donate bitcoins to him.
This isn't just speculation. This is how internet pedophile rings actually operate.
Yeah that is how the rings with producers operate. I suppose there is an argument for making it illegal to request somebody molests a child. It is already illegal to ask for somebody to kill a person, and I do not have a problem with this law. So I am okay to keep it illegal to ask another person to molest a child, but I am still entirely against making it illegal for a person to view the images of the molestation if they did not ask for them to be produced or produce them themselves.
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Yeah that is how the rings with producers operate. I suppose there is an argument for making it illegal to request somebody molests a child. It is already illegal to ask for somebody to kill a person, and I do not have a problem with this law. So I am okay to keep it illegal to ask another person to molest a child, but I am still entirely against making it illegal for a person to view the images of the molestation if they did not ask for them to be produced or produce them themselves.
Even without requesting it, viewers can still reward the producer of child pornography by heightening his status in the community (by giving him rep points, karma, thanking him, complimenting him, or donating bitcoins to him).
I am more concerned about protecting the victims of child pornography than the consumers of it. The freedom to view child pornography is not a freedom worth protecting in view of the damage that it indirectly causes to children (not to mention the viewers themselves, who are corrupted by viewing such material). Freedom is not an end in itself; it should be subordinate to the fulfillment of one's primary responsibilities to humanity, which include protecting children from abuse.
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Yeah that is how the rings with producers operate. I suppose there is an argument for making it illegal to request somebody molests a child. It is already illegal to ask for somebody to kill a person, and I do not have a problem with this law. So I am okay to keep it illegal to ask another person to molest a child, but I am still entirely against making it illegal for a person to view the images of the molestation if they did not ask for them to be produced or produce them themselves.
Even without requesting it, viewers can still reward the producer of child pornography by heightening his status in the community (by giving him rep points, karma, thanking him, complimenting him, or donating bitcoins to him).
I am more concerned about protecting the victims of child pornography than the consumers of it. The freedom to view child pornography is not a freedom worth protecting in view of the damage that it indirectly causes to children (not to mention the viewers themselves, who are corrupted by viewing such material). Freedom is not an end in itself; it should be subordinate to the fulfillment of one's primary responsibilities to humanity, which include protecting children from abuse.
So should we make it illegal to compliment someone who has done anything illegal? If a person kills someone you hate, but you had no say in them doing so, should it be illegal to thank them? Should it be illegal to compliment someone who has done a skillful heist and robbed a store of jewelry?
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Also it is worth noting that you have previously advocated for making ALL forms of pornography illegal.
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Yeah that is how the rings with producers operate. I suppose there is an argument for making it illegal to request somebody molests a child. It is already illegal to ask for somebody to kill a person, and I do not have a problem with this law. So I am okay to keep it illegal to ask another person to molest a child, but I am still entirely against making it illegal for a person to view the images of the molestation if they did not ask for them to be produced or produce them themselves.
Even without requesting it, viewers can still reward the producer of child pornography by heightening his status in the community (by giving him rep points, karma, thanking him, complimenting him, or donating bitcoins to him).
I am more concerned about protecting the victims of child pornography than the consumers of it. The freedom to view child pornography is not a freedom worth protecting in view of the damage that it indirectly causes to children (not to mention the viewers themselves, who are corrupted by viewing such material). Freedom is not an end in itself; it should be subordinate to the fulfillment of one's primary responsibilities to humanity, which include protecting children from abuse.
So should we make it illegal to compliment someone who has done anything illegal? If a person kills someone you hate, but you had no say in them doing so, should it be illegal to thank them? Should it be illegal to compliment someone who has done a skillful heist and robbed a store of jewelry?
I don't think the act of complimenting should be illegal, I think possessing child pornography should be illegal because it indirectly encourages the production of child pornography.
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way too many people here know way too much about child porn
im outta this one
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just a quick FYI:
Ephebophilia is the primary or exclusive adult sexual interest in mid-to-late adolescents, generally ages 15 to 19.
Hebephilia is one of several types of chronophilia (a preference for a sexual partner who appears to be of a specific age), in this case a primary or exclusive sexual interest in pubescent individuals approximately 11–14 years old
Pedophilia is characterized by a primary or exclusive sexual interest toward prepubescent children (generally age 11 years or younger, though specific diagnosis criteria for the disorder extends the cut-off point for prepubescence to age 13
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Only read the first page, but it's obvious that this is the kind of reaction the OP wanted. I still don't see why mods don't just ban him. It's not like this is a regular forum, so banning trolls (fucked up or otherwise) should be a no-brainer.
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just a quick FYI:
Ephebophilia is the primary or exclusive adult sexual interest in mid-to-late adolescents, generally ages 15 to 19.
Hebephilia is one of several types of chronophilia (a preference for a sexual partner who appears to be of a specific age), in this case a primary or exclusive sexual interest in pubescent individuals approximately 11–14 years old
Pedophilia is characterized by a primary or exclusive sexual interest toward prepubescent children (generally age 11 years or younger, though specific diagnosis criteria for the disorder extends the cut-off point for prepubescence to age 13
Finally somebody with common sense!
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just a quick FYI:
Ephebophilia is the primary or exclusive adult sexual interest in mid-to-late adolescents, generally ages 15 to 19.
Hebephilia is one of several types of chronophilia (a preference for a sexual partner who appears to be of a specific age), in this case a primary or exclusive sexual interest in pubescent individuals approximately 11–14 years old
Pedophilia is characterized by a primary or exclusive sexual interest toward prepubescent children (generally age 11 years or younger, though specific diagnosis criteria for the disorder extends the cut-off point for prepubescence to age 13
They have been increasing the cut off age for pedophilia slowly but surely I have noticed. First it was 11, then 12, now 13. There is actually a movement right now trying to get it brought up to 14 but so far the majority of psychologists have rejected that attraction to 14+ is a mental disorder.
There are three other age related philias as well. Generally it is something like this with () used to show there are varying definitions, and ~ to show that the starting age has some variance as it is mostly based on sexual development rather than actual age.
infantophilia: ~3 years or younger ~(tanner stage 1, infantile)
pedophilia: ~3 years to (11, 12, 13) ~(tanner stage 1-2)
hebephilia: ~11 - 14 ~(tanner stage 2-4)
ephebephilia: ~14 - (16, 17, 18, 19) ~(tanner stage 4-5)
teliophilia: ~17 - (various) ~(tanner stage 5)
gerontophilia: ~65+ ~(tanner stage 5 , advanced age)
Ostensibly most men are teliophiles, although only pedophilia and infantophilia are clinically considered to be mental disorders (although by some definitions of pedophilia it overlaps with hebephilia almost entirely, making hebephilia a mental disorder as well, not sure the cut off ages used in the DSM for pedophilia but they do not include hebephilia as a specific disorder). My own personal theory is that most men are probably ephebephiles though.
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Y'know, even though I'm Kinda fucked up right now, I think this thread has made me fucking sick...
This ain't the kind of shit I want in my head...
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If people would just stop feeding the troll and let this thread die I think we would all benefit.
masterblaster is probably laughing his ass off right now, why give this any more oxygen.