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Discussion => Silk Road discussion => Topic started by: AussieMitch on February 06, 2013, 11:45 pm

Title: How to completely avoid getting arrested, charged and convicted like Shadh1
Post by: AussieMitch on February 06, 2013, 11:45 pm
Poor guy, no-one deserves to get locked up for supporting our civil libertarian right to put what we want into our own bodies.

Lets examine a few steps he could of taken to prevent this from happening, and that we can take to prevent this ever happening to us:

1. If you are dealing, and not just buying off Silk Road for personal use, don't have drugs sent to your address! Pay other people to receive the packages or pay them to setup mailboxes if you have to, just don't have drugs sent to your place as that is what got the cops onto him in the first place.

2. If you are dealing, DELETE YOUR TEXT MESSAGES AND SECURE YOUR PHONES. Have a text-only burner phone that you regularly change so your voice is never on it and get people to save it as a fake name, so you can always deny that it's yours. Because you change it regularly (Ideally every-time your credit runs out) this makes it much harder again for police to gather evidence on you. Ideally you should also never discuss specific drugs, prices, names or locations on this phone either. Also NEVER DISCUSS SILK ROAD ON THE PHONE EVER.

3. Secure your computers with full-disk encryption and only access Silk Road through an amnesic means like Tails, Liberte or a VM running from a USB. Have a clearnet computer for general use obviously but never use it for suss Google searches and don't put anything suspicious on it.

4. If you must possess suspicious items like a money counter and 35 stun guns, get a friend to hold onto them or store them away from your house. As for things like zip-lock bags and scales, create plausible deniability like having a couple of zip-lock bags full of lollies next to where you keep them and having the scales on-top of some Creatine or a gym supplement that needs to be weighed. As far as I know Shadh1 wasn't even caught with drugs at his house, it was just a bunch of corroborating evidence the police found in the raid that allowed them to charge him.

If this guy had not followed step 1 but had followed all the other steps he would have been safe when he got raided and if he had just followed step 1 he never would have been raided in the first place! With some simple precautions what happened to him should NEVER happen to you.

Stay safe guys, I really hope that no-one else gets caught like he did. Feel free to chime in with any other advice you have or mistakes that Shadh1 made, so we can learn from this experience!
Title: Re: How to completely avoid getting arrested, charged and convicted like Shadh1
Post by: astor on February 06, 2013, 11:56 pm
Pay other people to receive the packages or pay them to setup mailboxes if you have to

If they get busted, do you honestly think they won't flip?

This is how it will go down. They get busted and tell the cops it's not their stash, they are just receiving it for someone else. The cops say it doesn't matter, they will get charged for it unless they cooperate. They call you up and say the package arrived safely. You go to pick it up / meet them somewhere, and of course it's a sting at that point. You get arrested.

When the shit hits the fan, nobody will be willing to go to jail for you, and nobody will be your patsy.
Title: Re: How to completely avoid getting arrested, charged and convicted like Shadh1
Post by: AussieMitch on February 07, 2013, 12:51 am
Pay other people to receive the packages or pay them to setup mailboxes if you have to

If they get busted, do you honestly think they won't flip?

This is how it will go down. They get busted and tell the cops it's not their stash, they are just receiving it for someone else. The cops say it doesn't matter, they will get charged for it unless they cooperate. They call you up and say the package arrived safely. You go to pick it up / meet them somewhere, and of course it's a sting at that point. You get arrested.

When the shit hits the fan, nobody will be willing to go to jail for you, and nobody will be your patsy.

You can avoid this through some simple pre-cautions:

In the case of using other peoples houses:
1. Don't tell the people you use what's in the packages, or even tell them it's some kind of poisonous precursor chemical so they don't open it.
2. Make sure they don't tell you over your normal phone that the package is in. Just have them send you a tormail or a pre-determined coded text message (like 'Do you want to go see a movie this weekend?') to your burner phone.
3. Once the package is in have them write 'Return to sender' and WAIT for 24 hours.
4. Have a runner pick up the packages for you after 24 hours, or have them dead-drop the package to you in the mailbox of a trusted accomplice or another pre-determined dead-drop location. Or have them mail it on to you domestically by placing the overseas envelope in a domestic express satchel. Or just use someone you trust 100% (Not always possible obviously).

In the case of using other peoples PO boxes:
1. Have the person walk in and pay for a PO box in cash
2. Take the key off them so they can't use it
3. Have a bunch of mail with that persons name sent to the PO Box to legitimize it before sending drugs
4. Check it at night only and sporadically, or have a runner check it for you.
5. If the person contacts you at all about the PO box i'd be suss that the police have contacted them. Make sure they know not to talk to you about it on the phone and deny if they do
Title: Re: How to completely avoid getting arrested, charged and convicted like Shadh1
Post by: cajunstyle54 on February 07, 2013, 02:57 am
Pay other people to receive the packages or pay them to setup mailboxes if you have to

If they get busted, do you honestly think they won't flip?

This is how it will go down. They get busted and tell the cops it's not their stash, they are just receiving it for someone else. The cops say it doesn't matter, they will get charged for it unless they cooperate. They call you up and say the package arrived safely. You go to pick it up / meet them somewhere, and of course it's a sting at that point. You get arrested.

When the shit hits the fan, nobody will be willing to go to jail for you, and nobody will be your patsy.


It sucks to admit it but Astor is right. You can't trust anyone.
Title: Re: How to completely avoid getting arrested, charged and convicted like Shadh1
Post by: Joy on February 07, 2013, 03:11 am
Pay other people to receive the packages or pay them to setup mailboxes if you have to

If they get busted, do you honestly think they won't flip?

This is how it will go down. They get busted and tell the cops it's not their stash, they are just receiving it for someone else. The cops say it doesn't matter, they will get charged for it unless they cooperate. They call you up and say the package arrived safely. You go to pick it up / meet them somewhere, and of course it's a sting at that point. You get arrested.

When the shit hits the fan, nobody will be willing to go to jail for you, and nobody will be your patsy.

I second this.
My friend got cought & snitch by doing this method.
The best thing to do is just shut up & denial everything that the police say/charge you.
Title: Re: How to completely avoid getting arrested, charged and convicted like Shadh1
Post by: Fallkniven on February 07, 2013, 03:28 am
how to sum up this thread in one sentence...

"Keep your mouth shut, deny everything."
Title: Re: How to completely avoid getting arrested, charged and convicted like Shadh1
Post by: OzFreelancer on February 07, 2013, 08:09 am
how to sum up this thread in one sentence...

"Keep your mouth shut, deny everything."

In Shad's case they had overwhelming evidence of his guilt.  He was charged with offences that carried a 25 year maximum.  He mitigated his sentence by pleading guilty early and assisting authorities by showing them how Silk Road worked and giving them access to his account.
Title: Re: How to completely avoid getting arrested, charged and convicted like Shadh1
Post by: zerik on February 07, 2013, 08:45 am
I disagree with step one. Leaves you way too vulnerable to theft, extortion, and just plan rating. Hell they might give you up if they get busted for something unrelated to make a deal out of their mess.

If you do this step no one can know who you are.

That means no friends, lovers, partners no one that can say who you are.

Your OP is good and good information. Just don't rely on step one. I just don't trust people.

There is risk with everything. Nothing will give you 100% protection. The person will have to decide which is the least risk for him/her. 

Some other ideas that are important are:
Never talk just deny and shut up. Never consent to searches of your person or property.

Make their job hard and your lawyers job easy.

Always be safe and go with what works for you. The more simple the better. If you make it too complicated you risk screwing something up or someone talking.
Title: Re: How to completely avoid getting arrested, charged and convicted like Shadh1
Post by: smogmonster13 on February 07, 2013, 12:29 pm
And other people's habits affect us (i.e. teaching LE how to use Silk Road). So everyone who says they have had no problems with no encryption, deposit BTC directly into SR, or using fake names/addresses, etc., compromise the whole safety of SR. Be safe people. A little extra effort/cost makes things safer for us all.
Title: Re: How to completely avoid getting arrested, charged and convicted like Shadh1
Post by: mdmafx on February 07, 2013, 10:13 pm
how to sum up this thread in one sentence...

"Keep your mouth shut, deny everything."

In Shad's case they had overwhelming evidence of his guilt.  He was charged with offences that carried a 25 year maximum.  He mitigated his sentence by pleading guilty early and assisting authorities by showing them how Silk Road worked and giving them access to his account.

Do you know if they went to the lengths of placing him under any sort of surveillance or was it just that the intercepted his mail for a period then from that did a raid and found everything else?  Also do you know if he plans to appeal or is that it with good behavior he is out in about a year and a half?
Title: Re: How to completely avoid getting arrested, charged and convicted like Shadh1
Post by: mdmafx on February 07, 2013, 10:21 pm
I would say from the case to avoid the same thing happening.
1) Don't get stuff sent to your house if you are ordering from Overseas trafficable amounts are not that much.
2) Don't get stuff sent to your real name, forget about mail fraud thats nothing compared to a jail term.
3) Don't order from 'red flagged' countries and if you get a non arrival burn the address even if you think you were scammed fuck it off.
4) Don't talk to anyone about it and don't use your phone to sell if you are going to do that.
5) Do order as many stun guns as you want to your home address and using your real as its only a $1000 fine (like that makes sense) but anyway you can only harm someone with one of those as opposed to spreading the love with drugs but hey I don't make the laws here
Title: Re: How to completely avoid getting arrested, charged and convicted like Shadh1
Post by: OzFreelancer on February 07, 2013, 10:26 pm
how to sum up this thread in one sentence...

"Keep your mouth shut, deny everything."

In Shad's case they had overwhelming evidence of his guilt.  He was charged with offences that carried a 25 year maximum.  He mitigated his sentence by pleading guilty early and assisting authorities by showing them how Silk Road worked and giving them access to his account.

Do you know if they went to the lengths of placing him under any sort of surveillance or was it just that the intercepted his mail for a period then from that did a raid and found everything else?  Also do you know if he plans to appeal or is that it with good behavior he is out in about a year and a half?

There was no evidence that they had placed him under surveillance.  I don't know if he plans to appeal, but yes, with good behaviour he should be able to apply for parole in 21 months.
Title: Re: How to completely avoid getting arrested, charged and convicted like Shadh1
Post by: DuncanMacLeod on February 07, 2013, 11:30 pm
35 stun guns. Not personal consumption. Intent to resell. Maybe to some SM swingers clubs. Can't have that apparently. Is SM using electric shock help illegal there ? Not a very libertarian country.
Title: Re: How to completely avoid getting arrested, charged and convicted like Shadh1
Post by: zerik on February 08, 2013, 03:53 am
Does anyone know the facts of this case? Or even of this is for real.

Just wondering since what I have read on this so far here is kind of vague unless I missed something?
Title: Re: How to completely avoid getting arrested, charged and convicted like Shadh1
Post by: astor on February 08, 2013, 04:04 am
I disagree with step one. Leaves you way too vulnerable to theft, extortion, and just plan rating. Hell they might give you up if they get busted for something unrelated to make a deal out of their mess.

You're absolutely right. Your shipping contact might get busted for an unrelated petty crime, and to make the charge go away, he can say, "Hey, I'm getting shit tons of drugs for this other guy. In fact, there's a package coming in next week. He sells to tons of people..."

The point is, never outsource your security and keep as few people involved as possible.

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4. Have a runner pick up the packages for you after 24 hours

Have you never seen those cop shows? They'll flip 3 or 4 people in a row until they get to the main guy. A human in between you and LE offers zero security. Don't get more people involved. That's just more people who know about your business and who can rat on you for unrelated reasons.
Title: Re: How to completely avoid getting arrested, charged and convicted like Shadh1
Post by: Wadozo on February 08, 2013, 10:02 am
Does anyone know the facts of this case? Or even of this is for real.

Just wondering since what I have read on this so far here is kind of vague unless I missed something?

You must be missing something as this has been discussed on numerous threads now. There is nothing vague, if fact there has been plenty of detail given by OzFreelancer a freelance journalist for those who didn't know.
The facts can be found on OzFreelancer's website - http://allthingsvice.com/
She attended the court case, including the sentencing, and details what the judge and prosecution said in court.
Title: Re: How to completely avoid getting arrested, charged and convicted like Shadh1
Post by: JezuzWazaMushroom on February 08, 2013, 12:10 pm
You need to start by having a brain, a source that isn't ordering through SR to again resell on SR, and last of all you need to figure out how to apply said brain to your business practices!

This guy stood in the retard line when God was handing out brains, and somehow thought he was a genius.

It was said that he did it all for attention of his peers, which translates as "look at me, I'm the Kingpin drug dealer yo"!

This guy even said it was okay for his friends to give out his number to random people he doesn't know to sell his shit... UNFUKNBELIEVABLE!

Like I said before I have no sympathy for self inflicted pain, I'm not that sanctimonious!

- JWM  8)