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Market => Rumor mill => Topic started by: WishiwasForum on December 23, 2012, 03:45 pm
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i know Ron Paul has a good rep around here in his review thread but i've never actually seen anyone say they have succesfully made MDA or MDMA using his guides, it seems odd, atleast one person would post how it went and their yield.
are there any succesfull synthers out there?
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Its my guess that it would take multiple upon multiple runs to perfect any of the steps given. I bought the guide and its very disorganized.
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subscribing this.
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i know Ron Paul has a good rep around here in his review thread but i've never actually seen anyone say they have succesfully made MDA or MDMA using his guides, it seems odd, atleast one person would post how it went and their yield.
are there any succesfull synthers out there?
If you want al the drug books you need from Total Synthesis II by Strike and Uncle Festers books as well as PiKHAL and TiKHAL along with The SHulgin Index, I suggest you download FrostWire and type in Illegal And Banned Books Collection as well as Drugs into the search bar.
You will have all the drug books you need ;-)
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It'll take a while for the synthers to work out exactly what they need to do and when and what equipment the need to get which in all likelihood is expensive as fuck. I was going to get a little MDMA lab set up for my own personal synth but after putting all the steps into an easy to understand format and learning the procedures off by heart I just couldn't be bothered. The cost alone was ridiculous and sourcing the chemicals was a joke so I gave up and just bought some instead. I would love to believe I could buy RonPaul's MDA guide and synth away because I fucking love MDA and the prices on here are a joke but in all honestly I don't think I have the capital or the patience for a successful synth. Not to mention I would be shit scared to try some as I know I am an amateur chemist and I would in all honesty I just couldn't trust my product without some sort of full lab analysis which I have no access to.
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well third then...
btw i would like to learn in first person how to synth mdma
any ideia?
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I've been meaning to post on this for a while and now is the perfect oppurtunity.
Anyone that bought those guides just got ripped off. You basically just bought one of those books you see on late night TV "How to Become an Overnight Millionaire".
First of all, everything that you find in the guide was most likely taken from the rhodium archives that are located on erowid. There is no magical synthesis that this tweaker figured out that nobody else knows about. The moment I saw a tutorial titled "Easy LSD synthesis" I pegged this guy as a hack. I actually hope he defends himself.
Second, if you have to pick up a guide called "Easy MDMA synthesis" then chances are you have little to no knowledge of Chemistry and you are going to fail miserably, or even worse hurt youself or someone else.
Playing with volatile materials isnt a game.
There is no easy way to create MDMA, it's a pretty difficult multistep synthesis that requires knowledge.
It's very possible, but only if you do your homework and just arent looking for a quick cash grab.
If the synthesis was easy ever strung out raver would be cranking out the most euphoric, racemic MDMA xtals and there would be a good music scene in the U.S. lol.
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Its my guess that it would take multiple upon multiple runs to perfect any of the steps given. I bought the guide and its very disorganized.
Hmm care to elaborate. I was thinking about buying it but that is very disheartening. I don't see how it could be too disorganized when it says it is only around 3000 words
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bookmarked
Seconded
well third then...
btw i would like to learn in first person how to synth mdma
any ideia?
Do you mean like meet a cook and have a one-on-one training session? I don't think there will be many people willing to just invite you over to check out their lab. If you just want to learn check out the Rhodium archive, the Uncle Fester books, Total Synthesis I & II and Pikhal. There was a guide floating around by some guy called Dr Drool that looked ridiculously simple but I am not sure how viable the synth is.
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I've been meaning to post on this for a while and now is the perfect oppurtunity.
Anyone that bought those guides just got ripped off. You basically just bought one of those books you see on late night TV "How to Become an Overnight Millionaire".
First of all, everything that you find in the guide was most likely taken from the rhodium archives that are located on erowid. There is no magical synthesis that this tweaker figured out that nobody else knows about. The moment I saw a tutorial titled "Easy LSD synthesis" I pegged this guy as a hack. I actually hope he defends himself.
Second, if you have to pick up a guide called "Easy MDMA synthesis" then chances are you have little to no knowledge of Chemistry and you are going to fail miserably, or even worse hurt youself or someone else.
Playing with volatile materials isnt a game.
There is no easy way to create MDMA, it's a pretty difficult multistep synthesis that requires knowledge.
It's very possible, but only if you do your homework and just arent looking for a quick cash grab.
If the synthesis was easy ever strung out raver would be cranking out the most euphoric, racemic MDMA xtals and there would be a good music scene in the U.S. lol.
i could refute you in so many ways but i have to go out atm. you're so so wrong on a lot of points here though imo. i see your logic, but, no.
there are well known SRs working on it and if someone did why the fuck would they be inclined to tell anyone?
anyways the value is not the guide dummies its the consulting and sourcing.
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Its my guess that it would take multiple upon multiple runs to perfect any of the steps given. I bought the guide and its very disorganized.
Hmm care to elaborate. I was thinking about buying it but that is very disheartening. I don't see how it could be too disorganized when it says it is only around 3000 words
I purchased the guide some time ago, and im sad to say its very disorganized. Very vague, scattered and horrible grammar. Its a breath of fresh air going back to Strike's book because he's very articulate, lays out procedures step by step with sketchings, weights, ect.
And ron paul doesnt tell you how to source any of the chems. He was selling his sassafras source but isnt anymore.
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Good to see this thread, was thinking of doing the same for i havent read of any success storys either.
What he had me puzzled was, in DDW's forum review thread, Limetless wrote how he had his 'chemists' ??? look over the guide and said its legit.
If he had chemists..why would he have to invest in such a guide? If the guides are no good, maybe the consulting option would be a better choice?
Personally i'd love to see a video on synth, that would be awesome. 8)
But regarding the precursors, he gives you a pretty good clue in how to obtain them..Just have to think outside the box a little, but yeah its still a challenge thats for sure..
I think some guys just arent geared for the synth. I think they sound very good... ;)
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i could refute you in so many ways but i have to go out atm. you're so so wrong on a lot of points here though imo. i see your logic, but, no.
there are well known SRs working on it and if someone did why the fuck would they be inclined to tell anyone?
anyways the value is not the guide dummies its the consulting and sourcing.
No idea what an SR is or who someone is or what they're doing (that sentence kind of confused me in all honesty.)
But the proof is in the pudding, read his reviews, it a bunch of "I dont know much about chemistry but I wana cook up da shardz".
Also I'm skeptical that the person writing the guides even knows how to do it himself, MDMA is one thing, but LSD, if you know anything about it, is a completely different beast. So when I see some knuckle dragger who wrote an "easy LSD synthesis" guide, I chuckle to myself.
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Ron Paul does NOT have a good rep, or any rep for that matter. He's a fake ass bitch who resells readily available and free info.
He's just an illiterate scammer at best. He also spends his free time trying to suck his own dick.
Here are all the resources you need:
http://y47ylcppnh3afqk4.onion
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Hi Haters.
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Lmao at all the idiots in this thread. I doubt any of the people commenting even made it through high school chemistry let alone purchased any of the guides.
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Lmao at all the idiots in this thread. I doubt any of the people commenting even made it through high school chemistry let alone purchased any of the guides.
BMED grad.
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Its my guess that it would take multiple upon multiple runs to perfect any of the steps given. I bought the guide and its very disorganized.
Which guide did you buy?
Was just looking again at his review thread, and people seem impressed by the guides.. http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=45417
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he has lots of newbs n haters but anyone with half a brain knows the value
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Ron Paul does NOT have a good rep, or any rep for that matter. He's a fake ass bitch who resells readily available and free info.
He's just an illiterate scammer at best. He also spends his free time trying to suck his own dick.
Here are all the resources you need:
http://y47ylcppnh3afqk4.onion
Wow you started a new profile saying ronpaulisafakebitch? Have you bought one of the guides? If so which one?
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Ron Paul does NOT have a good rep, or any rep for that matter. He's a fake ass bitch who resells readily available and free info.
He's just an illiterate scammer at best. He also spends his free time trying to suck his own dick.
Here are all the resources you need:
http://y47ylcppnh3afqk4.onion
Wow you started a new profile saying ronpaulisafakebitch? Have you bought one of the guides? If so which one?
lol honestly this makes me wonder if this is the way LEO troll on their time off.
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For anyone who says my guides are ripped off rhodium or forum posts you are just flat out wrong. Every single one of my guides has tricks and techniques you will never find posted anywhere else and is totally unique. The only legit criticism of my guides on this forum post is that they are disorganized. Well I may not write as well as a professional author but my guides are organized by reaction, first give a quick overview and then go through the process of the reaction. I dont know how else you would organize it?
Most people just see my guides and go into instant hate mode, "oh well hes selling chemistry information online and there is already free chemistry information online so it must be a ripoff" or "he couldnt possibly ever done any synthesis if hes on SR not vending product". Its just ignorant.
Have any of my customers mentioned any failed reactions? No, they are too busy wholesaling badass pure product and making mad fucking money while you guys sit around criticizing and holding your dicks. "Those saying it can't be done shouldn't stand in the way of those doing it"
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d1ssonanc3: you think theres no way to do easy LSD synthesis? Why dont you look and find the video online of nick sands making acid by the bucketful. Doesnt exactly seem like rocket science. And with the advent of peptide coupling reactions and POCL3 addition LSD synthesis is a single reaction from lysergic acid and then a little cleanup and crystalization. Its easier to make LSD than it is to make MDMA, its just much much much harder to get ergot based compounds to start with. Good thing I sell a source for a fungi which produces large amounts of ergotamine when fermented like beer.
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Very nice ownage there.
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Served. KAPOW! 8)
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d1ssonanc3: you think theres no way to do easy LSD synthesis? Why dont you look and find the video online of nick sands making acid by the bucketful. Doesnt exactly seem like rocket science. And with the advent of peptide coupling reactions and POCL3 addition LSD synthesis is a single reaction from lysergic acid and then a little cleanup and crystalization. Its easier to make LSD than it is to make MDMA, its just much much much harder to get ergot based compounds to start with. Good thing I sell a source for a fungi which produces large amounts of ergotamine when fermented like beer.
LOL, what a troll
Thanks for confirming my suspicion that you really dont know what you are talking about. So you're telling me you have a sustainable ergot culture
that pleasantly grows in your basement. Awesome
Would this just happen to be right next to your inert gas chamber? Is it hard to type with only red light available to you?
I love how you can claim that you have "tricks and techniques" that no one else knows about, did you discover some new functional group or something?
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d1ssonanc3: you think theres no way to do easy LSD synthesis? Why dont you look and find the video online of nick sands making acid by the bucketful. Doesnt exactly seem like rocket science. And with the advent of peptide coupling reactions and POCL3 addition LSD synthesis is a single reaction from lysergic acid and then a little cleanup and crystalization. Its easier to make LSD than it is to make MDMA, its just much much much harder to get ergot based compounds to start with. Good thing I sell a source for a fungi which produces large amounts of ergotamine when fermented like beer.
LOL, what a troll
No sir you're the only troll I see here, don't you think out of 86 transactions maybe a few of those people might know what they are doing. Plus out of 86 transactions he still has 100% satisfaction. But I'm guessing such a logical person like yourself can't really look at the numbers.. Enjoy your trolling
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d1ssonanc3: you think theres no way to do easy LSD synthesis? Why dont you look and find the video online of nick sands making acid by the bucketful. Doesnt exactly seem like rocket science. And with the advent of peptide coupling reactions and POCL3 addition LSD synthesis is a single reaction from lysergic acid and then a little cleanup and crystalization. Its easier to make LSD than it is to make MDMA, its just much much much harder to get ergot based compounds to start with. Good thing I sell a source for a fungi which produces large amounts of ergotamine when fermented like beer.
LOL, what a troll
No sir you're the only troll I see here, don't you think out of 86 transactions maybe a few of those people might know what they are doing. Plus out of 86 transactions he still has 100% satisfaction. But I'm guessing such a logical person like yourself can't really look at the numbers.. Enjoy your trolling
Sweet, positive reviews, most of which read "I don't really know much about Chemistry but I'm hoping this will help."
A lot of people shop at walmart too and think they're getting a great deal.
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For anyone who says my guides are ripped off rhodium or forum posts you are just flat out wrong. Every single one of my guides has tricks and techniques you will never find posted anywhere else and is totally unique. The only legit criticism of my guides on this forum post is that they are disorganized. Well I may not write as well as a professional author but my guides are organized by reaction, first give a quick overview and then go through the process of the reaction. I dont know how else you would organize it?
Most people just see my guides and go into instant hate mode, "oh well hes selling chemistry information online and there is already free chemistry information online so it must be a ripoff" or "he couldnt possibly ever done any synthesis if hes on SR not vending product". Its just ignorant.
Have any of my customers mentioned any failed reactions? No, they are too busy wholesaling badass pure product and making mad fucking money while you guys sit around criticizing and holding your dicks. "Those saying it can't be done shouldn't stand in the way of those doing it"
Just contact one of your customers and get him to write about his results to get these people to shut the fuck up
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d1ssonanc3:
Yes, I do have a sustainable ergot culture that grows in my basement. It produces 1.5 grams of ergoline compounds per liter. I usually run 5 gallon buckets full, you do the math. More specifically its claviceps paspali ATCC strain 13892. Its so safe I have dipped my hand in before. Leme guess "OMG ERGOT will make your head fall off if you look at it wrong!!111!1" If this is hard for you to understand then you really dont know anything.
Inert gas and red lights is not required, has someone been reading old LSD synthesis writeups online? Guess you know everything because you read a shitty synthesis using hydrazine which is older than your whore mom. You don't need specifically colored lights, you just need lights that dont produce UV. Its not like your synthesis will explode if you are using a small light across the room which provides synthesis light. UV light impact on LSD will produce inert lumi-LSD.
Not only is most information online about LSD outdated, its mis-information. LSD synthesis is not as hard as its made to seem
d1ssonanc3: what about me pisses you off so much that you will come in this thread and make yourself a fool by acting like you know anything more than anyone can learn in 15 minutes on google?
"I love how you can claim that you have "tricks and techniques" that no one else knows about, did you discover some new functional group or something?"
No, I found better ways to do things than have been made public knowledge, is that so hard for your tiny mind to understand? Discover a new functional group? What the hell are you talking about? Do you even know what a functional group is? You cant be a day older than 16.
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d1ssonanc3:
Yes, I do have a sustainable ergot culture that grows in my basement. It produces 1.5 grams of ergoline compounds per liter. I usually run 5 gallon buckets full, you do the math. More specifically its claviceps paspali ATCC strain 13892. Its so safe I have dipped my hand in before. Leme guess "OMG ERGOT will make your head fall off if you look at it wrong!!111!1" If this is hard for you to understand then you really dont know anything.
Inert gas and red lights is not required, has someone been reading old LSD synthesis writeups online? Guess you know everything because you read a shitty synthesis using hydrazine which is older than your whore mom. You don't need specifically colored lights, you just need lights that dont produce UV. Its not like your synthesis will explode if you are using a small light across the room which provides synthesis light. UV light impact on LSD will produce inert lumi-LSD.
Not only is most information online about LSD outdated, its mis-information. LSD synthesis is not as hard as its made to seem
d1ssonanc3: what about me pisses you off so much that you will come in this thread and make yourself a fool by acting like you know anything more than anyone can learn in 15 minutes on google?
"I love how you can claim that you have "tricks and techniques" that no one else knows about, did you discover some new functional group or something?"
No, I found better ways to do things than have been made public knowledge, is that so hard for your tiny mind to understand? Discover a new functional group? What the hell are you talking about? Do you even know what a functional group is? You cant be a day older than 16.
An inert atmosphere or very cool temperatures are needed, I don't really care what you say.
If you do actually have an ergot strain congrats, but I'm still skeptical because you cant grow the damn things like mushrooms, seeing as how they arent just spores, more of a mutation.
Your entire "I have a secret, but you can buy it for a certain amount" mentality is blasphemous to what science actually is, and for that I label you a hack.
And yes I know what a functional group is, you'd get the humor but you probably don't have much of a scientific background.
Enjoy selling your snake oil and easily obtainable information to the misinformed.
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Show me one example of an individual that purchased your garbage and making bank. Just one. Anf if their so good, Ron, where the fuck is all the LSD and MDA being produced from your magnificient guides? Fact is your a con. Always have been. Always will be. You pray on ignorant kids to see your shitt books. Ajd we probably don't here back from them because eiteher A) their garbagel or or B) they blow themeselves upl or C) yuour leo that nabs the when they get the precursors.
Most folks buying thse books have no business making these compounds in the first placellll No knowoledge of Organic Chemistry? No problem? Faggot Ron Paul can hellp you with that! Side effects include leveling your entire trailor park.
Man, all he precursors you need are out there. Even in the US. Just gotta know where to look use the Rohodium/hive/total synth II and your good to go. You Don't need to pay this over priced FAGGOT a a dime.
Show me one successful example of success you faggotl Just one.Canj't do it can ya pussy? Didnt think so . Fraud, faggot, con. That is Ron Paul. An awesome politician. A creepy SR vendorl Very creepy.
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I'm honestly a little curious about the lsd synth one. There are ways to make MDMA that someone could easily do at home so I'm not surprised by those guides, but I've never heard of an LSD synth that didn't require a well-equipped lab.
Not dismissing the guides as a scam since people are paying good money for them and I haven't seen any negative comments, but I do really wish I could see a review from someone who was able to actually make LSD outside of a lab setting.
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I'm sticking up for mr. wood in this case because the knowledge is public knowledge. I have a friend that does the same mda synth he has for sale, and does in fact make money doing it. I sampled the product (a brown color, but crystalline) 300mg. It was a fucking rocket-ship experience.
I have a strange suspicion that I and mr. wood participate in the same forums outside of here! No wonder I know what the synth is... ;)
Yes it is public information, yes it already is easy. Mr. Wood simply breaks it down into even easier to understand language, and the result is something that can be replicated without difficulty by untrained hands after a few small trial batches.
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If you do actually have an ergot strain congrats, but I'm still skeptical because you cant grow the damn things like mushrooms, seeing as how they arent just spores, more of a mutation.
This doesn't even make sense. They are EASIER to grow than mushrooms, more similar to a liquid culture.
Of course you need inert gas but you dont need an entire chamber, a simple purge of argon into a flask will protect the reaction since its a heavy gas. But really its not required, just improves yields a little bit.
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i'd imagine Deepwood is symholic of his phalus, inserted deeply into rectum of any sorry hastard dum enojgh to fall for this bullshit.
for those lookng to ge legit, stjudy tjhe gasics of organic chemistry . its fascnating and doesnt take long. then go to tje lik i provided with the rhodium arivesl , hive archives, etc etc. You'll see these guys are cons at get..
I hope ron paul the faggot and the like disapear soon their eyesoar advertisememts. At lest list them where the belong yo sneaky faggots. Especially youj RON PAuL, the biggiest Fag Queen of them all. Scamming no-nothing plagiarizing motherfucker.
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Your entire "I have a secret, but you can buy it for a certain amount" mentality is blasphemous to what science actually is, and for that I label you a hack.
Umm have you ever heard of the idea of a trade secret? If you think information is not valuable then you have a lot to learn. Also, noticed you were looking for sassafras oil, good luck doing a synthesis. I will still consult for you when you inevitably fuck up. Post your method you are interested in using and I will tell you where you will fuck up or why my method is better.
Instead of just shit slinging why dont you bring something intelligent to the table. I will show you why I make the big bucks.
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i'd imagine Deepwood is symholic of his phalus, inserted deeply into rectum of any sorry hastard dum enojgh to fall for this bullshit.
for those lookng to ge legit, stjudy tjhe gasics of organic chemistry . its fascnating and doesnt take long. then go to tje lik i provided with the rhodium arivesl , hive archives, etc etc. You'll see these guys are cons at get..
I hope ron paul the faggot and the like disapear soon their eyesoar advertisememts. At lest list them where the belong yo sneaky faggots. Especially youj RON PAuL, the biggiest Fag Queen of them all. Scamming no-nothing plagiarizing motherfucker.
HAHAHA ok I think your spelling says it all. None of my methods are available via the link you provided. My synthesis methods are not in any hive or rhodium archive. Why would I sell something non-original?
If one of my customers recognized my methods from a free writeup online don't you think you would have heard about it by now?
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http://www.erowid.org/library/books_online/tihkal/tihkal26.shtml
"A solution of 6.7 g KOH in 100 mL H2O, under an inert atmosphere "
" Ambient light should be severely restricted during these procedures."
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If you do actually have an ergot strain congrats, but I'm still skeptical because you cant grow the damn things like mushrooms, seeing as how they arent just spores, more of a mutation.
This doesn't even make sense. They are EASIER to grow than mushrooms, more similar to a liquid culture.
Of course you need inert gas but you dont need an entire chamber, a simple purge of argon into a flask will protect the reaction since its a heavy gas. But really its not required, just improves yields a little bit.
Dear sir,
although you have seemed to master the art of chemistry something as simple as sarcasm seems to have slipped through the cracks with you, which is exactly what the inert gas chamber, fxn group comments were. Aint life funny?
Congrats on your cultures, I hope you bring in a new summer of love! Hope you don't intend on growing wheat or rye in your basement, that'd be a shame.
This is going to be the last thing I say on the matter because I'm not fond of internet arguments.
I think that you dumbing down organic reactions will end up doing a lot more harm than good, for the same reason I wouldn't want someone working on my car who's credentials were watching YouTube videos about cards for a few hours. Following a cookbook like recipe from A-B without why A is A and what gives it its A-ness is the reason there are so many meth lab explosions.
Furthermore you insult nature of science itself by hoarding information and selling it to the highest bidder, I think the term is charlatan.
You are attracting a customer base that cares about the profit more than the institution, don't you mention profitability in most of your guides? Real classy, because everyone knows that quick cash grabs usually end up a smashing success.
No use in arguing background or credentials here because it's redundant, but just to let you know anyone with even the slightest scientific background will find your wares as laughable as I did.
Good luck in your endeavors,
as wayward as they may be.
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Even in the last 20 years there have been huge improvements to the procedures given in tihkal. Even the coupling procedure that mr. wood has referenced here has its drawbacks that other methods don't.
If you really want to know, there was a successful lysergic acid production run done by fermentation with a modified strain of c.pap. a little more than a few years back. If you want to know the truth you have to search. Not just annoy someone to death.
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"Even in the last 20 years there have been huge improvements to the procedures given in tihkal. "
"And with the advent of peptide coupling reactions and...POCL3 addition"
You were saying, DankSources?
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Don't sweat the trolls, Deepwood...you do good work here.
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Your entire "I have a secret, but you can buy it for a certain amount" mentality is blasphemous to what science actually is, and for that I label you a hack.
Umm have you ever heard of the idea of a trade secret? If you think information is not valuable then you have a lot to learn. Also, noticed you were looking for sassafras oil, good luck doing a synthesis. I will still consult for you when you inevitably fuck up. Post your method you are interested in using and I will tell you where you will fuck up or why my method is better.
Instead of just shit slinging why dont you bring something intelligent to the table. I will show you why I make the big bucks.
Was looking for sassafras oil, it was my first time on Tor and pretty much the only thing I was look for at the time.
Here is something intelligent in case anyone is interested and I won't even charge:
Sourcing listed precursors from out of the Country is risky, in order to alleviate this risk, although one can find cheap sources of sassafras oil from india (look toward trade sites, they love new customers) I chose to make safrole directly from benzodioxole, commonly referred to as seasomol. Although it takes longer than a simple distillation the advantage is that it's completely legal, so at any given moment I don't have to worry about John Law knocking at my door. If anyone is interested in steam distillation, now is an ideal time to dig up those tree roots, and solvent extractions usually give better yields than steam distillation with heavier organic oils.
Speaking of inevitably fucking up, i'm not sure why you recommend bromosafrole->iodo via finklestein and then reduction when a buffered peroxy is cheaper, more otc and quicker.
I don't need to make bucks through clandestine chemistry because I make plenty with my career path. I was interested in it and pursued it as a hobby.
Enough talking shop for me, carry on, snake oil and such.
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"Umm have you ever heard of the idea of a trade secret? "
Have you ever heard of the idea of an anonymous scammer in an anonymous online marketplace?
By the way, I doubt trade secrets are sold to the public for a few hundred bucks. If you actually had any real trade 'secret' then you'd keep it...secret. Unless you were a scammer, that is...
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d1ssonanc3: Glad you bowed out now that you ran out of accusations. Sesamol is the correct spelling and is not the same compound as benzodioxole. Sesamol has an alcohol group opposite to the dioxy bridge. Even if you could figure out the proper feedstock your yields are gona be total shit. You will end up doing more work synthesizing the safrole than you will turning that into mdma. Have you heard of anyone on any message board synthesizing 1L+ of safrole? Its just not viable unless you get your rocks of to total synthesis.
The reason I prefer the halosafrole route to the buffered peracid method is because to anyone but a total newb its better in every way. People drool over that method because they look at the chemicals list and its all OTC. Its just appealing to the uneducated eye. The yields suck and there are a ton of manipulations involved. With my method you dont have to do any distilling until you have already made your freebase, and thats just to remove solvent. My method can be used to make 1kg of mdma.hcl in the same amount of effort and space as it would take you to make 10g using the peroxy. Thanks for the free advice but I guess you get what you pay for.
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d1ssonanc3: Glad you bowed out now that you ran out of accusations. Sesamol is the correct spelling and is not the same compound as benzodioxole. Sesamol has an alcohol group opposite to the dioxy bridge. Even if you could figure out the proper feedstock your yields are gona be total shit. You will end up doing more work synthesizing the safrole than you will turning that into mdma. Have you heard of anyone on any message board synthesizing 1L+ of safrole? Its just not viable unless you get your rocks of to total synthesis.
The reason I prefer the halosafrole route to the buffered peracid method is because to anyone but a total newb its better in every way. People drool over that method because they look at the chemicals list and its all OTC. Its just appealing to the uneducated eye. The yields suck and there are a ton of manipulations involved. With my method you dont have to do any distilling until you have already made your freebase, and thats just to remove solvent. My method can be used to make 1kg of mdma.hcl in the same amount of effort and space as it would take you to make 10g using the peroxy. Thanks for the free advice but I guess you get what you pay for.
Woahhh you got me on the spelling.
Sesamol is 1,3-benzodioxole-5-ol, just so you know for the future.
sooooooo, just run a tosyl substitution for the hydroxy group, and then do an Sn2 under usual conditions. Can also do thionyl chlorination instead but Tsl gets better yields, can also just do a straight up halogenation. Yield for the former is usually around 80% while the latter is mid 60's. This coming from a completely legal chemical by the way.
Anything else you would like to try and correct me on?
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'DING 'DING' Round 3!! :o
Hey d1ssonanc3, why dont you write your own guide?
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Woahhh you got me on the spelling.
Sesamol is 1,3-benzodioxole-5-ol, just so you know for the future.
sooooooo, just run a tosyl substitution for the hydroxy group, and then do an Sn2 under usual conditions. Can also do thionyl chlorination instead but Tsl gets better yields, can also just do a straight up halogenation. Yield for the former is usually around 80% while the latter is mid 60's. This coming from a completely legal chemical by the way.
Anything else you would like to try and correct me on?
Well id say it was more than a spelling error. So a tosyl substitution huh? Good choice for stinking up your apartment and inviting in hazmat crews with your choice of a molar excess of pyridine or triethylamine for the scavenger base. Either one of those chemicals in the amounts needed are gona reek to high heavens not to mention have no commercial use other than organic chemistry. Also a SN2 on an aromatic like that will not yield the fancy leaving group you are interested in but a chloride group. It simply will not make the product you are interested in, in any halfway decent yield. I have references if you are interested.
Either way you are doing two SN2 reactions in a row hoping for halfway decent yields after your intense cleanup and extraction in the last step. These reactions are very solvent, concentration and reactant dependent, something you would know if you ever tried to develop your own reaction scheme. But no its so much easier to just pop open an ochem textbook and point at generic reactions and then try and apply them to your situation, real life isnt that simple.
You literally just pointed to some simple, first year ochem reactions that in the simplest way applied to this situation.
When I was active the one type of person I made sure never to work with was the type that had something to prove. They were worse than the junkies or the loudmouths. They would always end up self-sabotaging because they constantly needed to impress someone or one-up somebody.
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I have the weirdest boner right now
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I have the weirdest boner right now
I feel like i just watched walter white bitch slap someone
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You could do this shit in Gatorade bottles and buckets if you didn't mind a slightly impure product man ;)
Isn't that what you use mr. wood?
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stop feeding the trolls RP we appreciate what you are doing for the community
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What he had me puzzled was, in DDW's forum review thread, Limetless wrote how he had his 'chemists' ??? look over the guide and said its legit.
We have done a successful trial synth of MDMA but we did not exactly stick to the guide because some of the steps were unnecessary for us to carry out.
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None of the people allegedly buying 'intellectual property' from ron-SCAMMER-paul know the collective?
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I have the weirdest boner right now
I feel like i just watched walter white bitch slap someone
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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None of the people allegedly buying 'intellectual property' from ron-SCAMMER-paul know the collective?
the-collective.ws is one of the most dead drug forums that is, unless you are only interested in shake N bake meth.
bitfool: why dont you bring something intelligent to the table so I can cut you down too? Like maybe a real criticism of my methods? Or would you rather sit back and criticize the IDEA of me?
When the very idea of what you are doing gets haters panties in a bunch you know you are doing something right!
“Live your motherfucking life. You gotta get your motherfucking hustle. Understand niggas gonna hate you regardless. Get that outta your head—that fantasy world where niggas ain’t hating on you. You gotta be grateful. You need haters. What the fuck is you complaining about? What the fuck do you think a haters job is: to f**king hate. Let them motherfuckers do their goddamn job. What the fuck is you complaining about? Ladies, if you got 14 women hating you on you, then you need to figure out how the fuck to get to 16 before the summer gets here. What the fuck is you mad about? Fellas, if you got 20 haters, you need 40 of them motherfuckers. What the fuck is you complaining about? If there are any haters in here right now and don’t have nobody to hate on, the feel free to hate on me. Sit back there and say my hair ain’t luxurious, when you know it is, bitch.”
-Katt Williams
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Science bitch!
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Good show sir!
DrDeepWood-
Thank you for your rebuttal.
I retract my earlier statements questioning your knowledge and tip my hat in deference.
You have earned my respect and future patronage.
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I assume this is Jon's method from WD forums??
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Good show sir!
DrDeepWood-
Thank you for your rebuttal.
I retract my earlier statements questioning your knowledge and tip my hat in deference.
You have earned my respect and future patronage.
I think this is the first time I have ever seen an internet argument end with some one saying they are wrong and in such a civil way.
Am I the only one that wants to learn some chemistry after reading this thread? Psychoactive substances are to chemistry and botany what video games are to computer programming IMHO. My only question is, doesn't LSD require expensive equipment to dose in micro grams or does your procedure solve that too?
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Good show sir!
DrDeepWood-
Thank you for your rebuttal.
I retract my earlier statements questioning your knowledge and tip my hat in deference.
You have earned my respect and future patronage.
I think this is the first time I have ever seen an internet argument end with some one saying they are wrong and in such a civil way.
Am I the only one that wants to learn some chemistry after reading this thread? Psychoactive substances are to chemistry and botany what video games are to computer programming IMHO. My only question is, doesn't LSD require expensive equipment to dose in micro grams or does your procedure solve that too?
I figure you would dilute it to an some concentration of 100mcg/1mL of solution and dose that way
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A+ thread, would read again.
Out of curiosity, DrDeepWood (or anyone else) willing to post the address for a good synth discussion forum? I used to love lurking the-hive back in the day. Doubt I'll ever attempt anything but having at least taken a couple organic chemistry classes I find the discussion interesting.
God, I hope people aren't still saying SWIM. Ugh.
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What are you trying to make?
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A+ thread, would read again.
Out of curiosity, DrDeepWood (or anyone else) willing to post the address for a good synth discussion forum? I used to love lurking the-hive back in the day. Doubt I'll ever attempt anything but having at least taken a couple organic chemistry classes I find the discussion interesting.
God, I hope people aren't still saying SWIM. Ugh.
swim thinks that you should find the forums yourself because the not so well known ones aren't going to be posted in public. swim feels like this is obvious.
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OK guys. I recently bought this guide myself, and am fairly committed to seeing this through.
I would agree with earlier comments that the text is a little disorganized, and full of typos (stuff a quick spell check would fix).
Also, some of the text is written in chemist shorthand, which a novice like myself needs to research further.
Still, it doesn't seem like any of the steps are terribly difficult, and actually seem simpler than other published techniques out there. Also, it doesn't rely on difficult to acquire chemicals. Some of the other readily available syntheses out there (like Brightstar's) rely on chemicals like Benzo that LE has since cracked down on.
To RP's credit, he is responsive to any questions. Having direct communication is obviously a huge advantage over other published syntheses.
I'll keep you guys posted on my success (or failure).
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I don't k now shit about chemistry (i wish i did) but this thread has proven to be an awesome read. Thanks guys!
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Well doc, I've gotta side with d1ssonanc3 here....what you say DOES NOT ADD UP!
If you want al the drug books you need from Total Synthesis II by Strike and Uncle Festers books as well as PiKHAL and TiKHAL along with The SHulgin Index,
Even they are VERY dated and contain numerous "errors"
"For anyone who says my guides are ripped off rhodium or forum posts you are just flat out wrong. Every single one of my guides has tricks and techniques you will never find posted anywhere else and is totally unique."
I find this^^^ very hard to believe! ::)
DrDW are you saying you have "re-invented the wheel?"
"home (mainly organic) chemistry" is something I've had many a dream about ... I'm NOT out to troll/diss you BUT I don't like to see people who would REALLY like to synth these compounds get stooged.
Puh-leeese!! It's EASIER to synth LSD? bro I was going to let you sell your "onepot bromo saffy synths" in peace BUT i can't stomach such overt BULLSHIT!
You toss around terms like "peptide coupling" if they are commonly available things for your customers to access!!! FFS! Get REAL!
EXACTLY WTF IS "PO3" ??? phosphite? phos what? PO3 just DOESN'T EXIST! or do you ACTUALLY mean to say "POCL3 aka Phosphoryl chloride?
Yeah right! And how OTC is that? (it's NOT, that's 'how' OTC it isn't!) Or do you give a "new trick method" for 'making' it, maybe 'suggesting' folks oxidize PCL3? (phosphoruos TRI chloride) with O2 (oxygen)...air WONT do it?
Hmmmmm....another 'gas' required...IF you can get PCL3 (oh fuck, stop it!)
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Have any of my customers mentioned any failed reactions?"
Maybe not, BUT I haven't read of ANY one of them saying they HAVE 'succeeded' with whatever it is they are trying to synth.... ???
"d1ssonanc3: you think theres no way to do easy LSD synthesis? Why dont you look and find the video online of nick sands making acid by the bucketful. Doesnt exactly seem like rocket science. And with the advent of peptide coupling reactions and POCL3 addition LSD synthesis is a single reaction from lysergic acid and then a little cleanup and crystalization.
Its easier to make LSD than it is to make MDMA, its just much much much harder to get ergot based compounds to start with. Good thing I sell a source for a fungi which produces large amounts of ergotamine when fermented like beer"
Oh yeah, you CAN tell from a youtube video it REALLY IS LSD! lolol ::)
I guess the folks at SM (ScienceMadness) must ALL clearly be fakes, and know SFA about chemistry!
I actually copy/pasted your "ads" for '5 questions answered' by you for some silly price, to give folks a good laugh at one of the fora I frequent
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No, I found better ways to do things than have been made public knowledge, is that so hard for your tiny mind to understand?"
What, like peptide coupling?
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I have a strange suspicion that I and mr. wood participate in the same forums outside of here! No wonder I know what the synth is... ;)"
What like .... Zoklet, totse?
Oh I hear you say
"the-collective.ws is one of the most dead drug forums that is, unless you are only interested in shake N bake meth."
CLEARLY YOU HAVEN'T SPENT MUCH TIME THERE? That'll make Dwarfer happy ;D
Are you WizardX, or possibly MethylMan perhaps? Pray tell ;D
Dude, in one post you say this
"Inert gas and red lights is not required, has someone been reading old LSD synthesis writeups online?"
and a few posts later after being challenged, say this
"Of course you need inert gas but you dont need an entire chamber, a simple purge of argon into a flask will protect the reaction since its a heavy gas. "
Yeah, ok go on, I'm half listening (Only for a laugh)
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Furthermore you insult nature of science itself by hoarding information and selling it to the highest bidder, I think the term is charlatan.
You are attracting a customer base that cares about the profit more than the institution, don't you mention profitability in most of your guides? Real classy, because everyone knows that quick cash grabs usually end up a smashing success.
No use in arguing background or credentials here because it's redundant, but just to let you know anyone with even the slightest scientific background will find your wares as laughable as I did."
Yep, that pretty much sums up my pov as well....I wasn't going to start a new thread, but now it's here....
Do you truly believe a place like the SR WONT HAVE a few folks around who UNDERSTAND CHEMISTRY?
Maybe even studied it for, idk 25-30 YEARS??
"These reactions are very solvent, concentration and reactant dependent, something you would know if you ever tried to develop your own reaction scheme."
What, yours aren't? ??? Just throw it all in, stir and hope for the best? :o
Bring it doc, and give us clanchemists a good laugh, after all, it's a solitary profession and all that, we don't get to hear SHIT like this too often!!
Well, if you came to a couple of the forums I frequent, you would be laughed off the board, with shit like what I (and a few others) HAVE just pointed out
People like YOU give chemistry a BAD name! >:(
p.s. "We have done a successful trial synth of MDMA but we did not exactly stick to the guide because some of the steps were unnecessary for us to carry out."
Then WTF are they 'there' for ??? ::)
Man you guys are fooools,, and when someone TRIES to give some 'advice' it seems there are some 'vested interests' here who come out in support of someone/thing they know nothing about!!!
LMAO
p.s @ dissonance NICE sarcasm bro! 8) Can you believe THIS comment below!!! LOL
I think this is the first time I have ever seen an internet argument end with some one saying they are wrong and in such a civil way.
ROFLMAO! Oh please, stop it!
sweet dreams all
mysty
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warami. wetdreams wetdreams reloaded.... dawrfer... good o``le times....
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motek: the first quote isnt mine and the quote about inert gas is out of context, I was responding to the idea that you need a giant totally inert chamber. You don't, you can make a gas blanket with argon over reactions. Also in erogline hydrolysis where most writeups use argon/nitrogen streams, etc, well that reaction produces ammonia in an equimolar amount to the ergoline feedstock, so that reaction "self-purges".
Why don't you challenge my methods or say something halfway intelligent instead of crawling my posts for any little thing you can scrawl butthurt bullshit criticisms about?
motek:
I didnt even read your full post because I just started laughing about how much the way you talk reminded me of this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_c6HsiixFS8
"WHAT ARE THEY PUTTING IN OUR WATER?, WHAT ARE THEY PUTTING IN OUR OXYGEN SUPPLY?, THE VISIBLE SPECTRUM IS RAINBOWS!!11!"
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motek: the first quote isnt mine and the quote about inert gas is out of context, I was responding to the idea that you need a giant totally inert chamber. You don't, you can make a gas blanket with argon over reactions. Also in erogline hydrolysis where most writeups use argon/nitrogen streams, etc, well that reaction produces ammonia in an equimolar amount to the ergoline feedstock, so that reaction "self-purges".
Why don't you challenge my methods or say something halfway intelligent instead of crawling my posts for any little thing you can scrawl butthurt bullshit criticisms about?
motek:
I didnt even read your full post because I just started laughing about how much the way you talk reminded me of this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_c6HsiixFS8
"WHAT ARE THEY PUTTING IN OUR WATER?, WHAT ARE THEY PUTTING IN OUR OXYGEN SUPPLY?, THE VISIBLE SPECTRUM IS RAINBOWS!!11!"
Top comment made me die laughing:
The government has been putting dihydrogenmonoxide in the water supply for decades now, its all a conspiracy to turn kids who play in sprinklers into homo-gays to curb population growth and increase economic output from the handheld-polyethelyne-phosphorescent-container markets.
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motek:
I didnt even read your full post because I just started laughing about how much the way you talk reminded me of this video:
I'm glad you got a laugh out of it 8) EVERYONE at a few forums I frequent HAD a FUCKIN GOOD LAUGH ...... AT you, and your scamming! ::)
Why don't you challenge my methods
Well..I DID but you skirted around/didn't reply to the phosph...ate/ite PO3 bullshit I called you on (how do you suggest folks "make it")....or anything else I mentioned . . . well? becoz YOU CANNOT ::)
except...
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motek: the first quote isnt mine and the quote about inert gas is out of context, I was responding to the idea that you need a giant totally inert chamber. You don't, you can make a gas blanket with argon over reactions
It's not "out of context"
dude, you STATE "there's NO NEED for exotic gases" or somesuchshit ::)
since you haven't posted your synths, how can I "challenge" your chemistry?
You should have just kept your big mouth shut and not tried to justify your LIES .... and folks say the grammar in "your formulas" is terrible, AND YET YOU have a go at another members grammar in his reply ::) Talk about DOUBLE STANDARDS ::)
And there's NO WAY I would let you even send them to me. (even for FREE !)
i really don't know how many times I have to tell you morons. One of the main advantages of DDW's service is consulting, sources, and drawing from his knowledge and experience. Could you learn the info on your own?
WOT??? Is swiav TRYING TO TELL ME that there's NO 'advice' elsewhere that IS FREE? Maybe not for you....but for me there's AS MUCH AS I NEED/WANT ;D 8)
I get FREE TOP Quality advice from master chemists...like Sauron, Nicodem, Organikum, WizardX, Lugh, Dwarfer, MethylMan (the ORIGINAL from the Hive) et al??
How many names do I need to drop before you realize ... YOU OFFER NOTHING THAT CANT BE HAD FOR FREE???
Keep up the good work doc ::)
byebye RP (I guess you think that's a "clever" nym eh? RP aka red phosphorous?)
Let US know 'when' someone DOES post about having success with "your" new and unique chemistry notes! lol ::)
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motek: OK OK, I was wrong for saying you weren't cool. You obviously know all the cool kids. My bad, your mad name dropping put me in my place.
As far as the PO3 thing or whatever, I dont know what you're talking about but I assume you are criticizing my LSD method. I dont advocate POCl3 addition because its nasty stuff and hard to get for most. I advocate peptide coupling, the reagents are cheap and anyone can get them. But as far as POCl3 goes, it is very possible to make. I know this because I actually put in my time in the library and don't just get all my info second hand on forums. You can make POCl3 but it requires a custom made stainless steel pressure vessel with a distillation takeoff. No its not that method that is posted online utilizing high pressure Cl. It uses solid feedstock and an inorganic reaction. One pot. Heres a free tip: making pocl3 is very nasty, especially since pcl5 is formed also. Even microgram amounts inhaled can hurt like shit. To prevent this what you do is when you do the distillation part of it you do it in a chamber with an ultrasonic fogger adding humidity. What this does is hydrolize the nasty inorganic compounds to their corresponding acids the second they leak out into the humid chamber. This is the kind of stuff people pay me for, not the repetitive shit pulled from messages boards but the logistics of actually pulling it off. the details that a real chemist knows, not just some armchair e-celeb dick sucker.
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As far as the PO3 thing or whatever, I dont know what you're talking about
well...IF you HAD bothered to actually READ my post you WOULD KNOW "WHAT i AM TALKING ABOUT"
PO3 DOESN"T EXIST and as for POCL3...you might as well say kryptonite for they are two VERY DIFFERENT THINGS
I just gave you a chance to actually refute my disagreements BUT you CANNOT....you DO NOT HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE!
making pocl3 is very nasty,
nah...really? gee thanx for telling me, I might have hurt myself without such insight ::) What about using SOCl?
you do it in a chamber with an ultrasonic fogger adding humidity
But of course! damn it my ultrasonic fogger is behind my GC/MS in the garage, :P I'll have to get my granny to find it for my AND show me how to use it coz I forget ???
This is the kind of stuff people pay me for, not the repetitive shit pulled from messages boards but the logistics of actually pulling it off. the details that a real chemist knows
what's that? To spout shit at them? What details ASIDE from INCORRECT ones are you talking about? WORDS ARE CHEAP but NONE of your words here have shed ANY light on the SHIT YOU WRITE!
not just some armchair e-celeb dick sucker.
LMAO haha are you calling my 'hivebuddies' celebrities?
lolololol fuckin hell,!
have you ever considered becoming a comedian doc?
'nuff said to you?
How the FUCK are YOU Ron Paul going to give some chemistry noob "advice" about something YOU say is beyond them? :o
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"EVERYWHERE YOU LOOK THE VISIBLE SPECTRUM IS RAINBOWS11!!1"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_c6HsiixFS8
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Are Lugh and them gonna sell you sources? No matter how much you pay them they will not.
Are they gonna ship you any ATCC cultures? Once again the answer is no.
And if most of these people reading this thread go asking questions to those you have named and shamed they will get instantly perma banned from those sites.
WTF are YOU talking about? And "why" would I want anyone to 'ship me' cultures when the good doc says "they're easy peasy to make?"
WHY would I WANT lughs "sources" FFS?! He lives on the other side of the world to me AND "if you knew lugh" you WOULD KNOW that IS a "nym" which IS "well respected" in those circles.
As for "naming and shaming" again WTF? Might I ask 'how' I have done this?
These guys are almost as well known as strike, UF, tuesday wednesday&Co and their nyms are out there for ANYONE TO SEE! (and ALL the rest...IF you think LEOs come here, you can bet your arse they go there too ::)) Knowing a nym means shit...having a nym reply to a pm is another matter altogether!
Errr "how" would they go about "perma banning" me? Pray tell seeming you know so much?
Moon Unit by name, Moon Unit by nature ::) ... you DONT KNOW what you're talking about...just like your "mate" the hoonorable doc ron paul
PS...and now dr dickwood has gone to the trouble of FAKING a quote from me!!! When/where did I write that about rainbows?
Your showing your true colors here doc.....as a LIAR and "plagiarist"
Unfuckinbelievable :P
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motek: So do you actually do any chemistry or do you just get a hard-on talking to those that do online?
You really seem to have something to prove, to a group of random strangers online none-the-less. You are the kind of guy that could never do real work because he would run his mouth to everyone trying to impress folks. I can smell your daddy issues from here.
PS...and now dr dickwood has gone to the trouble of FAKING a quote from me!!! When/where did I write that about rainbows?
Your showing your true colors here doc.....as a LIAR and "plagiarist"
Unfuckinbelievable :P
OMG...
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So do you actually do any chemistry or do you just get a hard-on talking to those that do online?
You really seem to have something to prove, to a group of random strangers online none-the-less.
1..more than you obviously....
I just want the people who YOU ARE TRYING TO SCAM to know YOU ARE a FAKE!!
I notice how you have reverted to argumentum ad hominem BECOZ you CANNOT ANSWER MY QUESTIONS
ultrasonic foggers are cheap and heavily used in hydroponics.
Duuuuuude....he said NO SPECIAL EQUIPMENT NEEDED with his synths...He "says" that "you can do it in a BUCKET FFS!!!
I suppose you sell sand and call it cocaine, huh?
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I only saw one question and then like 2 pages of you swinging your e-dick around and generally making yourself look like a 12 year old. And talking about rainbows, who does that? What are they putting in your water? 8)
Is this your only question?:
EXACTLY WTF IS "PO3" ??? phosphite? phos what? PO3 just DOESN'T EXIST! or do you ACTUALLY mean to say "POCL3 aka Phosphoryl chloride?
I don't know where you saw PO3, because you are right it doesn't exist, you are either thinking of the SO3-DMF method or the POCl3 method of LSD synthesis. Neither of which are included in my guide because they are inferior, except for the fact that POCl3 method does not require totally anhydrous lysergic acid, which allows you to skip the nerve wrecking vacuum drying step and just use hydrated lysergic acid.
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Is this your only question?
you HAD your chance doc...now your bullshit is here for ALL to see 8)
I don't know where you saw PO3
I "saw it" in your FIRST POST you idiot, when you "mention PO3 and peptide coupling" in one sentence.....sheesh, you DONT read my posts and you CANT REMEMBER yours! ::)
And you "want people to PAY you for advice?"
please, just stop it, I'll fuckin die laughing at your shit! Sadly I can't say the same for you customers...I very much doubt they'll be laughing about anything
And they MOST CERTAINLY will not be "laughing all the way to the bank"
Bye!
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Oh man so im not gona get to hear any more about all your friends online?
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d1ssonanc3: you think theres no way to do easy LSD synthesis? Why dont you look and find the video online of nick sands making acid by the bucketful. Doesnt exactly seem like rocket science. And with the advent of peptide coupling reactions and POCL3 addition LSD synthesis is a single reaction from lysergic acid and then a little cleanup and crystalization. Its easier to make LSD than it is to make MDMA, its just much much much harder to get ergot based compounds to start with. Good thing I sell a source for a fungi which produces large amounts of ergotamine when fermented like beer.
Motek this is the post of DDW which you are referring too, which is actually his second post. Now lets read together. POCL3
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Motek this is the post of DDW which you are referring too, which is actually his second post. Now lets read together. POCL3
hmmmm ya got me :-[ while you're at it, could you find this rainbow quote of mine...the doc did?
Quote from: motek on Today at 08:18 am
"EVERYWHERE YOU LOOK THE VISIBLE SPECTRUM IS RAINBOWS11!!1
86 suckers eh? How much IS he charging for 3000 poorly written words of incomprehensible chemishit? ???
somebody else have the last word here, I'm done :P
goodnight all :-*
p.s. I just realised my sig says it all.....you can GIVE away what you know, and expectations being the basis of disappointment, I dont want to see any more members "disappointed" becoz what they expected to get for their bitcoin turns out to be a set of steak knives :(
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Motek this is the post of DDW which you are referring too, which is actually his second post. Now lets read together. POCL3
hmmmm ya got me :-[ while you're at it, could you find this rainbow quote of mine...the doc did?
I love rainbows, in fact, i once chased a rainbow thinking that i could both get to the end of it and of course, find the Lucky Charms leprachaun and make the motherfucker give me that delicious cereally goodness
I think i found it for you
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Motek this is the post of DDW which you are referring too, which is actually his second post. Now lets read together. POCL3
hmmmm ya got me :-[ while you're at it, could you find this rainbow quote of mine...the doc did?
I think i found it for you
I love rainbows, in fact, i once chased a rainbow thinking that i could both get to the end of it and of course, find the Lucky Charms leprachaun and make the motherfucker give me that delicious cereally goodness
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"EVERYWHERE YOU LOOK THE VISIBLE SPECTRUM IS RAINBOWS11!!1 I LOVE RAINBOWS and JERKIN IT TO METHYL MAN WHEN HE RESPONDS TO MY PM, IM SO COOL BC I ONCE TALKED TO A DRUG CHEMIST ONLINE AND HE RESPONDED AND HE LIKED ME AND THOUGHT I WAS SO COOL SO FUCK EVERYONE ELSE."
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This thread is downright depressing.
DDW why do you waste your time like this? ;)
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"EVERYWHERE YOU LOOK THE VISIBLE SPECTRUM IS RAINBOWS11!!1 I LOVE RAINBOWS and JERKIN IT TO METHYL MAN WHEN HE RESPONDS TO MY PM, IM SO COOL BC I ONCE TALKED TO A DRUG CHEMIST ONLINE AND HE RESPONDED AND HE LIKED ME AND THOUGHT I WAS SO COOL SO FUCK EVERYONE ELSE."
Because EVERYONE knows there's only one approach to science right? You know that's what the catholic church thought too, hence the world was flat. Then Einstein said that there is 4th dimensional space and Relativity, and people laughed him out of the room before he fucking proved it.
Science has proven again and again that the rigid approach is not only stupid, it is foolhardy. Congratulations on not being able to refine your own steps into a guide Motek, if you could, you'd publish it for free(like you claim you can) and then when DDW complains about YOUR steps, you can then take a shit over HIS chemistry. Until then, kindly shut the fuck up, eat your lucky charms, and go blow up your lab with some home-made thermite
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Its easier to make LSD than it is to make MDMA, its just much much much harder to get ergot based compounds to start with. Good thing I sell a source for a fungi which produces large amounts of ergotamine when fermented like beer.
I haven't seen the synth so I can't say this isn't true, but it seems a little far fetched. MDMA is one of the simplest drug synths if you have a good source of safrole.
LSA is a very simple to extract from some legal sources as long as you're comfortable working with chloroform, which from what I understand is a better starting material for LSD than ergotamine. Could you please just ask one person who has made LSD with this method to post here? If there actually is a simple way to do it without very expensive specialized equipment I'd pay to know how.
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This thread is downright depressing.
DDW why do you waste your time like this? ;)
I personally think this is a geat thread :) true organic chemistry discussions and disputes are the best.
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+1. It can only benefit everyone. ;)
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MDMA is one of the simplest drug synths if you have a good source of safrole.
LSA is a very simple to extract from some legal sources as long as you're comfortable working with chloroform, which from what I understand is a better starting material for LSD than ergotamine.
you are absolutely correct
Johnny nmemonic has been GIVEN all the data he needs to successfully synth MDxx compounds by me yesterday....so all you haters can go fuck yourselves, it'll probably the only sex you'll get :D
And the good doctor can go play with his wood, while wasting time fabricating quotes !!! Now that IS truly pathetic lol!
He can't "win" this debate coz he's talkin shit...SOOOO he has now turned to attacking the person known as motek which is what I referred to as "argumentum ad hominem"...look it up.
And thanx everyone for calling me sweetheart :) golly I mean I knew I was 'n all but to hear it from you woody just does something special. :-*
Peace love and mung beans all
motek
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MDMA is one of the simplest drug synths if you have a good source of safrole.
LSA is a very simple to extract from some legal sources as long as you're comfortable working with chloroform, which from what I understand is a better starting material for LSD than ergotamine.
you are absolutely correct
Johnny nmemonic has been GIVEN all the data he needs to successfully synth MDxx compounds by me yesterday....so all you haters can go fuck yourselves, it'll probably the only sex you'll get :D
And the good doctor can go play with his wood, while wasting time fabricating quotes !!! Now that IS truly pathetic lol!
He can't "win" this debate coz he's talkin shit...SOOOO he has now turned to attacking the person known as motek which is what I referred to as "argumentum ad hominem"...look it up.
And thanx everyone for calling me sweetheart :) golly I mean I knew I was 'n all but to hear it from you woody just does something special. :-*
Peace love and mung beans all
motek
Yep that's what i thought. Called you out, and of course, ignored. Either publish you're guide for free here with the title "My guide DrDeepDick can suck it" or go away and SHUT THE FUCK UP
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Motek, i have to say a big thank you, thats what i call spreading the love... 8)
You know your going to get a lot of PM's now right? :P
+1 infinity. ;)
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Motek, i have to say a big thank you, thats what i call spreading the love... 8)
You know your going to get a lot of PM's now right? :P
+1 infinity. ;)
Ok pretending the guy is legit for a second. He criticizes DDW about not freely releasing his information, yet does not freely release his own information. At the very least the man is a hypocrite
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This guy Motek goes way back actually. Legit 100%.
Basically told me the in and outs of the 'Step3' which DDW mentions thats the reason you need the guide or else you will fail.
Why would Motek release the information freely when you guys are so quick to defend DDW and threaten to burn his lab down?
Is he not respected because he is not currently a vendor with Clandestine Chemist Consultant in his sig with a link attached?
Now i'm not saying anything against DDW...no grudges here..
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This guy Motek goes way back actually. Legit 100%.
Basically told me the in and outs of the 'Step3' which DDW mentions thats the reason you need the guide or else you will fail.
Why would Motek release the information freely when you guys are so quick to defend DDW and threaten to burn his lab down?
Is he not respected because he is not currently a vendor with Clandestine Chemist Consultant in his sig with a link attached?
Now i'm not saying anything against DDW...no grudges here..
Because when you trash a member of the community that is respected and has a nice rep, and then you provide none of the material you claim to have, you look like a troll and a hack.
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Honestly I'm rooting for this "master chemist" to be legit. I really am. The Road needs more people with chemistry skills that are willing to teach. However bandying about information that you say you have and should be freely available, and then doing EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE isn't exactly something that should be held in the highest regard. If he wanted to look legitimate he would release his claimed knowledge for community inspection, as he also claims is the case on the forums he frequents. Just my 2 cents
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To DrDeepWood - I came across this article written in prison by Pickard (one of the guys from the famous nuclear bunker LSD lab bust).
http://www.freeleonardpickard.org/LSD-Prevelance.html
About half way through he writes (quote):
Since 2000, interviews by the author with manufacturers, and review of court transcripts wherein DEA technicians have publicly and explicitly described details of various LSD syntheses, indicate that clandestine production is rarely if ever achieved by using published procedures or patents involving Claviceps purpurea, Claviceps paspali and other fungi, even in submerged culture, nor are biotech methods employed in clandestine situations. Instead, effectively all LSD is synthesized by the initial hydrolysis of ergotamine tartrate (ET) or other ergot alkaloids to lysergic acid, thereafter to the diethylamide.
Now I have only limited knowledge of chemistry but do have "fungus growing experience".
Pickard seems to consider the availability of Ergotamine Tartrate as probably the largest factor limiting LSD production and also claims that pretty much no labs"grow their own ergot".
I would appreciate if you would comment on the following:
1) how much chemistry knowledge is needed to grow ergot and extract ergot alkaloids (can it be done safely by a clever careful home student with no formal and without very expensive equipment?).
2) Using the strains and growing methods from your guide would one be able to grow a large enough amount of ergot in say a 100 square meter basement to make it interesting as a product for a chemist to buy and process to LSD.
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To DrDeepWood - I came across this article written in prison by Pickard (one of the guys from the famous nuclear bunker LSD lab bust).
http://www.freeleonardpickard.org/LSD-Prevelance.html
About half way through he writes (quote):
Since 2000, interviews by the author with manufacturers, and review of court transcripts wherein DEA technicians have publicly and explicitly described details of various LSD syntheses, indicate that clandestine production is rarely if ever achieved by using published procedures or patents involving Claviceps purpurea, Claviceps paspali and other fungi, even in submerged culture, nor are biotech methods employed in clandestine situations. Instead, effectively all LSD is synthesized by the initial hydrolysis of ergotamine tartrate (ET) or other ergot alkaloids to lysergic acid, thereafter to the diethylamide.
Now I have only limited knowledge of chemistry but do have "fungus growing experience".
Pickard seems to consider the availability of Ergotamine Tartrate as probably the largest factor limiting LSD production and also claims that pretty much no labs"grow their own ergot".
I would appreciate if you would comment on the following:
1) how much chemistry knowledge is needed to grow ergot and extract ergot alkaloids (can it be done safely by a clever careful home student with no formal and without very expensive equipment?).
2) Using the strains and growing methods from your guide would one be able to grow a large enough amount of ergot in say a 100 square meter basement to make it interesting as a product for a chemist to buy and process to LSD.
Thank you for actually contributing to the discussion instead of flaming, a refreshing change of pace from the newcomers
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I think the real chemistry discussion in this thread illustrates the need for a personal or trusted friend with working knowledge of organic chemistry. Thats a pretty tall order for most, just because you converted GBL-GHB, shake & bake, or vacuum extracted butane from oil it doesn't mean you know what you are doing.
Guides are only that & these synths have a variety steps that can require precise controls. What are you going to do after you made mdma or lsd ? Who is the first person to try it ? What if you fucked up ?
Don't try & wash lsd crystal by yourself for the first time either.
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I think the real chemistry discussion in this thread illustrates the need for a personal or trusted friend with working knowledge of organic chemistry. Thats a pretty tall order for most, just because you converted GBL-GHB, shake & bake, or vacuum extracted butane from oil it doesn't mean you know what you are doing.
Guides are only that & these synths have a variety steps that can require precise controls. What are you going to do after you made mdma or lsd ? Who is the first person to try it ? What if you fucked up ?
Don't try & wash lsd crystal by yourself for the first time either.
+1 for common sense logic
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Honestly I'm rooting for this "master chemist" to be legit. I really am. The Road needs more people with chemistry skills that are willing to teach. However bandying about information that you say you have and should be freely available, and then doing EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE isn't exactly something that should be held in highest regard. If he wanted to look legitimate he would release his claimed knowledge for community inspection, as he also claims is the case on the forums he frequents. Just my 2 cents
Ok matey here's what I'm on about. I first saw Ron Paul's listings on SR and to be honest was kinda shocked! I really like chemistry and thought this was plain 'wrong' for the reasons below
Why was I shocked?
Becoz I have been/am a member of several "chemistry forums' a couple of which are DEVOTED to the synthesis of mood and mind altering compounds, with the 'the knowledge' being FREELY AVAILABLE to those with "sufficient knowledge to understand what is being said there"
Soooo, when I saw ronpauls listings selling 'notes' on mdma synths for around $1000 :o AND "offering FIVE questions answered" for a similar price, I nearly choked on my lemon flavored dihydrogen monoxide, and aside from telling a few folks at the forums, I let it be, BUT then I came here to see this thread started by someone "sincerely asking" IF RP's stuff was worth it?
And I had to be honest with these peeps and say "I honestly dont believe so, you can find this stuff for free if you try hard enough" and then when dr woody started having a go, I challenged some things and he STILL hasn't answered, he just wen't on the attack instead, trying to change the topic using a variety of methods including "faking a quote" from me!! which didn't happen "by accident"...the guy had been caught out, but he still had a few folks 'defending him'...although I think a couple of the posters here are his sock puppets...
and I was very surprised to see the vendor 'Limitless' say "he'd had HIS chemist's look it over etc etc"...what? did he buy the notes? "his chemists" wot? :o IF he HAS "chemists" they wouldn't ''need these notes" or IF they did they can't be very good....so when he goes on to say they HAD actually DONE the synth and it worked, or somesuchshit
I just couldn't stay quiet any longer! Here below, are the url's to a couple of the better forums ... I know the vespiary IS looking for members, but IF you go there and start asking noob questions you will be told quick smart to UTSFE! aka Use The Fuckin Search Engine!
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Nobody is going to "spoon feed you" there...you need to have a certain level of knowledge to get the best out of thes places ;)
Sure, you can start as a complete noob there, but the standards at this forum "www.thevespiary.org" lean more to the somewhat experienced chemist, although everything you could want to know is there, and ANYONE CAN JOIN 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
and then as the good dr mentioned, there is the re-innetation of "WetDreams" as "www.the-collective.ws" which can be a little 'selective' with who they let join, and once you do get in, there's a 25 post minimum in the newbie sections, before you get 'access' to the main boards...where all the goodies are 8)
EVERYTHING and MORE you can possibly want to know is here on these boards ;) The Vesp alone has about 15gig of data on everything about illicit drug synthesis ;D
I only want to get folks to see this guy IS scamming them...FFS asking what he IS for what freely available is wrong, and as for the advice he offers ... well, I asked him a couple of 'fair questions' and asked how come he said "there's NO NEED for special equipment' and then ends up telling me "you ONLY need an ARGON "blanket"...ok sweet, but a bottle of Argon aint exactly something people have in the shed :P
And so that was just one example, but he just started "attacking the messenger", not "the message" and that's where I left it.
This is a forum about the Silk Road...not a chemistry forum, that's why I didn't "post" a 3000 word MDMA synth (with photo's ;D)
You want that? Go to the forums where it IS, Not here :P
Dbz4u I'm not sure why, but you jumped in hard on this guys defence, while a number of 'randoms' HAD ALSO come along and "expressed doubt" with what dr woody was saying...about LSD being easy to make! :o BTW..you want "claviceps paspali"? At this time of year in the sub tropics and higher, the Paspalum grass upon which C. Paspali grows as a furry black 'mold' on the seeds, and after rain when it's been damp, MOST of the grass will have mold on it...Claviceps Paspali mold
And ergotamine is probably most easily sourced via migraine pills which contains a few mgs of ergotamine salt in each one....but making LSD from ANY route is NO simple task, for ANYONE, even with a state of the art lab, I very much doubt person without AT LEAST a good pass in chemistry in high school would get even close :P
Anyhoo that's my bit o bit coins worth....I just don't want to see folks needleesly burned.....sheesh he had a product back in the day Uncle Fester had one, but UF had many 'mistakes' in his books...that's not to say he didn't also have some VERY clever ideas, but that was back when the chems he talks of using weren't watched :P
These days it's another story alltogether...if you want to stay out of prison...and man I KNOW folks who are right now as I type, 12months into a 5 year sentence for manufacturing...and I know another person who's walking around with an ankle bracelet on after being recently released after doing 5years (as well!) for ONLY having (lots of) clean lab glassware, and a few chems like HCL, NaOH, NHNO3, and a few solvents!!!
NONE of those things are illegal, and yet he got done for "intent to manufacture" bad things, becoiz of his past record of involvement with bad things and funny business ;D
So to all the haters I hope this is what you wanted...the codes to the castles of sweet dreams, may you all have many colorful ones if you choose to try 8)
Peace Love and Mung beans
Mysty
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Honestly I'm rooting for this "master chemist" to be legit. I really am. The Road needs more people with chemistry skills that are willing to teach. However bandying about information that you say you have and should be freely available, and then doing EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE isn't exactly something that should be held in highest regard. If he wanted to look legitimate he would release his claimed knowledge for community inspection, as he also claims is the case on the forums he frequents. Just my 2 cents
Ok matey here's what I'm on about. I first saw Ron Paul's listings on SR and to be honest was kinda shocked! I really like chemistry and thought this was plain 'wrong' for the reasons below
Why was I shocked?
Becoz I have been/am a member of several "chemistry forums' a couple of which are DEVOTED to the synthesis of mood and mind altering compounds, with the 'the knowledge' being FREELY AVAILABLE to those with "sufficient knowledge to understand what is being said there"
Soooo, when I saw ronpauls listings selling 'notes' on mdma synths for around $1000 :o AND "offering FIVE questions answered" for a similar price, I nearly choked on my lemon flavored dihydrogen monoxide, and aside from telling a few folks at the forums, I let it be, BUT then I came here to see this thread started by someone "sincerely asking" IF RP's stuff was worth it?
And I had to be honest with these peeps and say "I honestly dont believe so, you can find this stuff for free if you try hard enough" and then when dr woody started having a go, I challenged some things and he STILL hasn't answered, he just wen't on the attack instead, trying to change the topic using a variety of methods including "faking a quote" from me!! which didn't happen "by accident"...the guy had been caught out, but he still had a few folks 'defending him'...although I think a couple of the posters here are his sock puppets...
and I was very surprised to see the vendor 'Limitless' say "he'd had HIS chemist's look it over etc etc"...what? did he buy the notes? "his chemists" wot? :o IF he HAS "chemists" they wouldn't ''need these notes" or IF they did they can't be very good....so when he goes on to say they HAD actually DONE the synth and it worked, or somesuchshit
I just couldn't stay quiet any longer! Here below, are the url's to a couple of the better forums ... I know the vespiary IS looking for members, but IF you go there and start asking noob questions you will be told quick smart to UTSFE! aka Use The Fuckin Search Engine!
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Nobody is going to "spoon feed you" there...you need to have a certain level of knowledge to get the best out of thes places ;)
Sure, you can start as a complete noob there, but the standards at this forum "www.thevespiary.org" lean more to the somewhat experienced chemist, although everything you could want to know is there, and ANYONE CAN JOIN 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
and then as the good dr mentioned, there is the re-innetation of "WetDreams" as "www.the-collective.ws" which can be a little 'selective' with who they let join, and once you do get in, there's a 25 post minimum in the newbie sections, before you get 'access' to the main boards...where all the goodies are 8)
EVERYTHING and MORE you can possibly want to know is here on these boards ;) The Vesp alone has about 15gig of data on everything about illicit drug synthesis ;D
I only want to get folks to see this guy IS scamming them...FFS asking what he IS for what freely available is wrong, and as for the advice he offers ... well, I asked him a couple of 'fair questions' and asked how come he said "there's NO NEED for special equipment' and then ends up telling me "you ONLY need an ARGON "blanket"...ok sweet, but a bottle of Argon aint exactly something people have in the shed :P
And so that was just one example, but he just started "attacking the messenger", not "the message" and that's where I left it.
This is a forum about the Silk Road...not a chemistry forum, that's why I didn't "post" a 3000 word MDMA synth (with photo's ;D)
You want that? Go to the forums where it IS, Not here :P
Dbz4u I'm not sure why, but you jumped in hard on this guys defence, while a number of 'randoms' HAD ALSO come along and "expressed doubt" with what dr woody was saying...about LSD being easy to make! :o BTW..you want "claviceps paspali"? At this time of year in the sub tropics and higher, the Paspalum grass upon which C. Paspali grows as a furry black 'mold' on the seeds, and after rain when it's been damp, MOST of the grass will have mold on it...Claviceps Paspali mold
And ergotamine is probably most easily sourced via migraine pills which contains a few mgs of ergotamine salt in each one....but making LSD from ANY route is NO simple task, for ANYONE, even with a state of the art lab, I very much doubt person without AT LEAST a good pass in chemistry in high school would get even close :P
Anyhoo that's my bit o bit coins worth....I just don't want to see folks needleesly burned.....sheesh he had a product back in the day Uncle Fester had one, but UF had many 'mistakes' in his books...that's not to say he didn't also have some VERY clever ideas, but that was back when the chems he talks of using weren't watched :P
These days it's another story alltogether...if you want to stay out of prison...and man I KNOW folks who are right now as I type, 12months into a 5 year sentence for manufacturing...and I know another person who's walking around with an ankle bracelet on after being recently released after doing 5years (as well!) for ONLY having (lots of) clean lab glassware, and a few chems like HCL, NaOH, NHNO3, and a few solvents!!!
NONE of those things are illegal, and yet he got done for "intent to manufacture" bad things, becoiz of his past record of involvement with bad things and funny business ;D
So to all the haters I hope this is what you wanted...the codes to the castles of sweet dreams, may you all have many colorful ones if you choose to try 8)
Peace Love and Mung beans
Mysty
Much better. That is a respectable post, no trolling, just opinion. If providing knowledge was your goal, you have, now at least. I jumped to his defense because all i saw was you saying that what he offered was bullshit, yet offered nothing as a counter. You still haven't you're just providing access to the forums you frequent. While i do appreciate this, MY CHALLENGE to YOU, is also unanswered. If he is full of shit, POST YOUR GUIDE!!! If it's legit everyone will be buying from you, or at the very least coming to you for advice.
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If he is full of shit, POST YOUR GUIDE!!! If it's legit everyone will be buying from you, or at the very least coming to you for advice.
If anyone want's to see info on mdma/mda/mdea synths and more, they just need go to the vespiary. it's ALL there, and more! ;)
Bro, like I've been trying to say, it's NOT that easy....it's not like just giving someone a recipe, it doesn't work like that...were not cooking dinner ;D
and there's No Way I could post a synth people could easily use, sure I "could post" a synth, but as I said, this is a Silk Road forum NOT a drug synthesis, clandestine chemistry forum/board.....but I HAVE GIVEN anyone who want's, the right direction to go to learn about this stuff. 8)
and the synths at the forum, while not hard, require a GOOD basic understanding AND working knowledge of chemistry and lab techniques......Ya gotta crawl before you can walk....and an mdxx synth is a jog ;D
Thanx for the cooler reply dbzmon
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While i do appreciate this, MY CHALLENGE to YOU, is also unanswered. If he is full of shit, POST YOUR GUIDE!!! If it's legit everyone will be buying from you, or at the very least coming to you for advice.
Me thinks you "kind of" missed the point of motek's post tbh fwiw
motek, thank you for posting those forum urls. Why give a man a fish, right?
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If he is full of shit, POST YOUR GUIDE!!! If it's legit everyone will be buying from you, or at the very least coming to you for advice.
If anyone want's to see info on mdma/mda/mdea synths and more, they just need go to the vespiary. it's ALL there, and more! ;)
Bro, like I've been trying to say, it's NOT that easy....it's not like just giving someone a recipe, it doesn't work like that...were not cooking dinner ;D
and there's No Way I could post a synth people could easily use, sure I "could post" a synth, but as I said, this is a Silk Road forum NOT a drug synthesis, clandestine chemistry forum/board.....but I HAVE GIVEN anyone who want's, the right direction to go to learn about this stuff. 8)
and the synths at the forum, while not hard, require a GOOD basic understanding AND working knowledge of chemistry and lab techniques......Ya gotta crawl before you can walk....and an mdxx synth is a jog ;D
Thanx for the cooler reply dbzmon
Ok fine, if not a guide, post the answers to all of the things DDW/Ron Paul says you need him for or will fail without his guidance. Since you're whole deal is that he is a charlatan, lets go ahead and see the proof. Obviously like you say it isn't as simple as a recipe, however if you know what you claim, it should all be easy to refute. Now i'm definitely paying attention :)
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BTW..you want "claviceps paspali"? At this time of year in the sub tropics and higher, the Paspalum grass upon which C. Paspali grows as a furry black 'mold' on the seeds, and after rain when it's been damp, MOST of the grass will have mold on it...Claviceps Paspali mold
And ergotamine is probably most easily sourced via migraine pills which contains a few mgs of ergotamine salt in each one....but making LSD from ANY route is NO simple task, for ANYONE, even with a state of the art lab, I very much doubt person without AT LEAST a good pass in chemistry in high school would get even close :P
OK since this is the only chemistry related stuff you said in that whole post I will address it.
You CAN NOT use wild C. Paspali for producing ergolines. You have to screen generations and generations of the fungi to get a producing strain. To do this you have to get a form of spores. You can attempt to "fruit" the paspali sclerotia and get sexual spores or just use the condia in the asexual stage and hope for mutations. Once you do have a producing strain there are stability issues. Wild claviceps produces something like .001g/L ergolines while the strain my source sells produces 1.5g/L. So you are just flat out wrong. Everything you say has such confidence behind it yet is so un-educated. You want references?
Also, Clavieps Paspali does not look like a black fur on seeds. Claviceps paspali spores germinate on the surface of paspalum grass seeds, press into them and take them over. Claviceps paspali looks like a piece of popcorn overflowing from the seed husk. They are yellow and produce red "honeydew" which contains spores. The black fur he is talking about is part of the natural life cycle of paspalum grass. You are so fucking confused man.
Migraine pills huh? What a waste of time. Why don't you go ask your cool chemistry friends on the forums if they have ever done this before?
You keep saying im ducking your questions but if you look back at this thread history you will see that I tried to bring chemistry discussion to the table even when you were just talking shit.
Other than calling me out for me non-existentially mentioning "PO3" for like 3 pages, which turned out to be bullshit and you shut up real fast, what are your other questions/criticisms?
From here it just looks like you are blowing a lot of hot air and your ignorance shows through constantly.
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And telling people to go to the vespiary?
Theres more than a few peeps that have been raided
by posting there you know?
You'll never catch me there that's for sure.
Vespiary, hah.
folks dont get raided for posting on a chemistry site ::) They usually get caught for something IRL not accessing a forum...you guys give LE's skills (and resources) FAR TOO MUCH credit :o
Do you REALLY think they want to catch some dude synthing a few g's of mdxx at home OR do they 'wan't the BIG Guys....like RonPaul? idk....I'm just some simpleton ???
You folks can think whatever you like, it REALLY doesn't worry me :D
And those people who read this and decided against spending Big $$$ with ronpaul for information readily available elsewhere...excellent 8) You just avoided being ripped off 8)
You see...
I'm not selling anything OR trying to convince anyone that what I am selling is unique, and that I am the only person with such data....
I AM NOT A VENDOR and I HAVE NO 'vested interest' here .... unlike dr woody ::) I have nothing to 'prove' UNLIKE woody who DOES, coz he wants people to buy his product/s ::)
And yet so many of you "defend him"..... lol that's pretty funny...and very weird ???
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And telling people to go to the vespiary?
Theres more than a few peeps that have been raided
by posting there you know?
You'll never catch me there that's for sure.
Vespiary, hah.
folks dont get raided for posting on a chemistry site ::) They usually get caught for something IRL not accessing a forum...you guys give LE's skills (and resources) FAR TOO MUCH credit :o
Do you REALLY think they want to catch some dude synthing a few g's of mdxx at home OR do they 'wan't the BIG Guys....like RonPaul? idk....I'm just some simpleton ???
You folks can think whatever you like, it REALLY doesn't worry me :D
And those people who read this and decided against spending Big $$$ with ronpaul for information readily available elsewhere...excellent 8) You just avoided being ripped off 8)
You see...
I'm not selling anything OR trying to convince anyone that what I am selling is unique, and that I am the only person with such data....
I AM NOT A VENDOR and I HAVE NO 'vested interest' here .... unlike dr woody ::) I have nothing to 'prove' UNLIKE woody who DOES, coz he wants people to buy his product/s ::)
And yet so many of you "defend him"..... lol that's pretty funny...and very weird ???
Your "vested interest" is discrediting him. So far you haven't, all you've said(repeatedly i might add) is that this knowledge is available elsewhere, yet when pressed to produce it, YOU DON'T. That's why no one believes you
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and I was very surprised to see the vendor 'Limitless' say "he'd had HIS chemist's look it over etc etc"...what? did he buy the notes? "his chemists" wot? :o IF he HAS "chemists" they wouldn't ''need these notes" or IF they did they can't be very good....so when he goes on to say they HAD actually DONE the synth and it worked, or somesuchshit
Just to answer this brief point no I didn't pay, my chemist who does my product wanted a quick look at a method and then just dug out the patent and then used that to work out the tweaks. We did a trial run and it worked on a small scale with the edited version of DDW's notes.
So chill out there Winston, let's not take what I'm saying out of context, just ask and I'll explain what I meant. :)
Just to remind you I'm not and never have claimed to be a "chemist" of any sort. I just employ them and they explain a bit to me every now and then so when I handed over the notes I was given I didn't read them I just passed them on and they were verified and then was showed my guys tweaks and optimizations to it and they showed me them.
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and I was very surprised to see the vendor 'Limitless' say "he'd had HIS chemist's look it over etc etc"...what? did he buy the notes? "his chemists" wot? :o IF he HAS "chemists" they wouldn't ''need these notes" or IF they did they can't be very good....so when he goes on to say they HAD actually DONE the synth and it worked, or somesuchshit
Just to answer this brief point no I didn't pay, my chemist who does my product wanted a quick look at a method and then just dug out the patent and then used that to work out the tweaks. We did a trial run and it worked on a small scale with the edited version of DDW's notes.
So chill out there Winston, let's not take what I'm saying out of context, just ask and I'll explain what I meant. :)
Just to remind you I'm not and never have claimed to be a "chemist" of any sort. I just employ them and they explain a bit to me every now and then so when I handed over the notes I was given I didn't read them I just passed them on and they were verified and then was showed my guys tweaks and optimizations to it and they showed me them.
So.....you work with......professionals. NOT POSSIBRUE
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and I was very surprised to see the vendor 'Limitless' say "he'd had HIS chemist's look it over etc etc"...what? did he buy the notes? "his chemists" wot? :o IF he HAS "chemists" they wouldn't ''need these notes" or IF they did they can't be very good....so when he goes on to say they HAD actually DONE the synth and it worked, or somesuchshit
Just to answer this brief point no I didn't pay, my chemist who does my product wanted a quick look at a method and then just dug out the patent and then used that to work out the tweaks. We did a trial run and it worked on a small scale with the edited version of DDW's notes.
So chill out there Winston, let's not take what I'm saying out of context, just ask and I'll explain what I meant. :)
Just to remind you I'm not and never have claimed to be a "chemist" of any sort. I just employ them and they explain a bit to me every now and then so when I handed over the notes I was given I didn't read them I just passed them on and they were verified and then was showed my guys tweaks and optimizations to it and they showed me them.
So.....you work with......professionals. NOT POSSIBRUE
Yup. Unfortunately I'm a drug dealer, not a geek.
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and I was very surprised to see the vendor 'Limitless' say "he'd had HIS chemist's look it over etc etc"...what? did he buy the notes? "his chemists" wot? :o IF he HAS "chemists" they wouldn't ''need these notes" or IF they did they can't be very good....so when he goes on to say they HAD actually DONE the synth and it worked, or somesuchshit
Just to answer this brief point no I didn't pay, my chemist who does my product wanted a quick look at a method and then just dug out the patent and then used that to work out the tweaks. We did a trial run and it worked on a small scale with the edited version of DDW's notes.
So chill out there Winston, let's not take what I'm saying out of context, just ask and I'll explain what I meant. :)
Just to remind you I'm not and never have claimed to be a "chemist" of any sort. I just employ them and they explain a bit to me every now and then so when I handed over the notes I was given I didn't read them I just passed them on and they were verified and then was showed my guys tweaks and optimizations to it and they showed me them.
So.....you work with......professionals. NOT POSSIBRUE
Yup. Unfortunately I'm a drug dealer, not a geek.
Being both doesn't seem like a good idea to me. Plus i would also find it hard to believe someone that good at chemistry has the people skills to sell super large quantities of these drugs IRL with no partners(If this is not the case DDW, apologies), so it makes sense to split responsibilities. The point is, if they can use what he wrote, and he provides support, then his service is worth it. I'm glad you found use out of it, and can provide at least a second hand account of how it went
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and I was very surprised to see the vendor 'Limitless' say "he'd had HIS chemist's look it over etc etc"...what? did he buy the notes? "his chemists" wot? :o IF he HAS "chemists" they wouldn't ''need these notes" or IF they did they can't be very good....so when he goes on to say they HAD actually DONE the synth and it worked, or somesuchshit
Just to answer this brief point no I didn't pay, my chemist who does my product wanted a quick look at a method and then just dug out the patent and then used that to work out the tweaks. We did a trial run and it worked on a small scale with the edited version of DDW's notes.
So chill out there Winston, let's not take what I'm saying out of context, just ask and I'll explain what I meant. :)
Just to remind you I'm not and never have claimed to be a "chemist" of any sort. I just employ them and they explain a bit to me every now and then so when I handed over the notes I was given I didn't read them I just passed them on and they were verified and then was showed my guys tweaks and optimizations to it and they showed me them.
So.....you work with......professionals. NOT POSSIBRUE
Yup. Unfortunately I'm a drug dealer, not a geek.
Being both doesn't seem like a good idea to me. Plus i would also find it hard to believe someone that good at chemistry has the people skills to sell super large quantities of these drugs IRL with no partners(If this is not the case DDW, apologies), so it makes sense to split responsibilities. The point is, if they can use what he wrote, and he provides support, then his service is worth it. I'm glad you found use out of it, and can provide at least a second hand account of how it went
Takes a special kind of person to do both and it's very rare.
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and I was very surprised to see the vendor 'Limitless' say "he'd had HIS chemist's look it over etc etc"...what? did he buy the notes? "his chemists" wot? :o IF he HAS "chemists" they wouldn't ''need these notes" or IF they did they can't be very good....so when he goes on to say they HAD actually DONE the synth and it worked, or somesuchshit
Just to answer this brief point no I didn't pay, my chemist who does my product wanted a quick look at a method and then just dug out the patent and then used that to work out the tweaks. We did a trial run and it worked on a small scale with the edited version of DDW's notes.
So chill out there Winston, let's not take what I'm saying out of context, just ask and I'll explain what I meant. :)
Just to remind you I'm not and never have claimed to be a "chemist" of any sort. I just employ them and they explain a bit to me every now and then so when I handed over the notes I was given I didn't read them I just passed them on and they were verified and then was showed my guys tweaks and optimizations to it and they showed me them.
So.....you work with......professionals. NOT POSSIBRUE
Yup. Unfortunately I'm a drug dealer, not a geek.
Being both doesn't seem like a good idea to me. Plus i would also find it hard to believe someone that good at chemistry has the people skills to sell super large quantities of these drugs IRL with no partners(If this is not the case DDW, apologies), so it makes sense to split responsibilities. The point is, if they can use what he wrote, and he provides support, then his service is worth it. I'm glad you found use out of it, and can provide at least a second hand account of how it went
Chem brain and people skills aren't mutually exclusive :(
That aside, I agree with you that selling something you manufactured to people who know who you are (giving them the ability to name you if they're caught) probably isn't the best idea in the world
edit: typo
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and I was very surprised to see the vendor 'Limitless' say "he'd had HIS chemist's look it over etc etc"...what? did he buy the notes? "his chemists" wot? :o IF he HAS "chemists" they wouldn't ''need these notes" or IF they did they can't be very good....so when he goes on to say they HAD actually DONE the synth and it worked, or somesuchshit
Just to answer this brief point no I didn't pay, my chemist who does my product wanted a quick look at a method and then just dug out the patent and then used that to work out the tweaks. We did a trial run and it worked on a small scale with the edited version of DDW's notes.
So chill out there Winston, let's not take what I'm saying out of context, just ask and I'll explain what I meant. :)
Just to remind you I'm not and never have claimed to be a "chemist" of any sort. I just employ them and they explain a bit to me every now and then so when I handed over the notes I was given I didn't read them I just passed them on and they were verified and then was showed my guys tweaks and optimizations to it and they showed me them.
So.....you work with......professionals. NOT POSSIBRUE
Yup. Unfortunately I'm a drug dealer, not a geek.
Being both doesn't seem like a good idea to me. Plus i would also find it hard to believe someone that good at chemistry has the people skills to sell super large quantities of these drugs IRL with no partners(If this is not the case DDW, apologies), so it makes sense to split responsibilities. The point is, if they can use what he wrote, and he provides support, then his service is worth it. I'm glad you found use out of it, and can provide at least a second hand account of how it went
Takes a special kind of person to do both and it's very rare.
Heisenberg
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Your "vested interest" is discrediting him. So far you haven't, all you've said(repeatedly i might add) is that this knowledge is available elsewhere, yet when pressed to produce it, YOU DON'T. That's why no one believes you
bro seriously, did you actually read what I said? If folks "dont believe me" that IS 'their problem" ;D
I am not the 'only person' in this thread to call bullhits on dr woody, or dont the 'other opinions' which tend to agree with me have no substance? And yet what you say does?? ;D
It's pretty clear that you dbz4u are just arguing for the sake of it, taking sides with RP for some "reason" :-\ hmmmm? gotta wonder why? ???
And IF posting links to GIGABYTES of RELEVANT DATA doesn't suffice, so be it, NOTHING will, and I doubt you will ever be satisfied ::)
I'm NOT out to "discredit" dr woody....I just want to give another side to his "salespitch" and as someone asked, I just gave my OPINION...ok?
I HAVE provided FAR MORE information FOR FREE, than one could ever get from RP! 5 questions answered or no!
Good luck to ALL RP's customers...I hope the links I provided help ;)
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I guess my question to you motek(last one promise) is have you actually completed ANY of the synths listed on that site? If not, do you just enjoy calling DDW a hack because the info is available, or do you actually have real life experience with these synths?
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I will answer that question: NO.
If motek was intelligent and driven enough to do any serious synthesis he would not have the attitude he does. His confidence is not from experience but arrogance. And that can be seen every time he starts talking chemistry, you can tell he is just poorly regurgitating things he read online, he is not speaking from experience. Not to mention he is from Australia and the area he lives in has laws against owning a lab condenser!
Great, people get it, you can find gigabytes of drug synthesis info online for free. In fact thats how most good chemists started. There is a lot of outdated or just plain wrong information out there, especially in the LSD field.
Thanks for your opinion but you are assuming all of my customers don't know that drug forums and hive backups exist. They just weigh the pros and cons and decide that if they are going to enter this field as a beginner, a mere 10-20% of their start-up cost should go to getting around the clock consulting and a pre-written guide that is accurate and up to date.
You are insulting everyone intelligence acting like they are incapable of searching the internet. Some peoples time is just valuable, unlike yours motek.
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I will answer that question: NO.
If motek was intelligent and driven enough to do any serious synthesis he would not have the attitude he does. His confidence is not from experience but arrogance. And that can be seen every time he starts talking chemistry, you can tell he is just poorly regurgitating things he read online, he is not speaking from experience. Not to mention he is from Australia and the area he lives in has laws against owning a lab condenser!
Great, people get it, you can find gigabytes of drug synthesis info online for free. In fact thats how most good chemists started. There is a lot of outdated or just plain wrong information out there, especially in the LSD field.
Thanks for your opinion but you are assuming all of my customers don't know that drug forums and hive backups exist. They just weigh the pros and cons and decide that if they are going to enter this field as a beginner, a mere 10-20% of their start-up cost should go to getting around the clock consulting and a pre-written guide that is accurate and up to date.
You are insulting everyone intelligence acting like they are incapable of searching the internet. Some peoples time is just valuable, unlike yours motek.
Agreed. In fact, some of that information is purposefully wrong, and planted by governmemts. LSD is known as a VERY hard synth, not necessaily because the synthesis itself is hard, but because getting legitimate information and coaching is hard to come by
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I guess my question to you motek(last one promise) is have you actually completed ANY of the synths listed on that site?
hmmm I would LOVE to tell you bro,,, but you know the First Rule about Dreaming dont you?
You DO NOT TALK ABOUT DREAMING IRL ;D
I'm not trying to be a dick, but whether I have or not makes NO difference to anything I've said here....AND...IF you were to bother to go to the sites I suggest ,, you WILL be able to read all about MANY folks who HAVE done various synths numerous times successfully...and FAR more than "just" mdx synths...and yes there is a great deal of discussion about LSD synthesis there as well 8)
And to add to the comment someone made about peeps gettting busted from just 'visiting' the vesp...BULLSHIT...esp if you "go there via TOR" duh ::)
99% of the time People get caught becoz they did something IRL that redlighted themselves, maybe getting pulled over in their car and some chems are discovered :o or something as stupid as a burgulary at the neighbors and the cops come peeking around the side/back of your place looking for a perp...and find some thing that's a Red flag...empty boxes, "strange smells " ...the list goes on :P
And then of course are the people who "get inspired to cook some dope" and buy all the instructions and get all the chems and get to cooking asap, BUT don't (yet ::)) know that ether is heavier than air, and haven't even thought about the possibility of a light/power switch making a spark that can/will ignite the ether fumes (they cant smell becoz they are still below waist level, let alone nose level!) and blow up the room they are in and burn anyone who's in it, and very possibly end up burning down the house.
In fact it's exploding tweakers who give clanchem a bad name! And we're not talking home 'labs' here, we're just talking about those people who "make speed" with a fucking ANFO device :o
I'm talking about 'shake'n bake' speed done with various solvents (ether works well) ammonium nitrate and lithium.....it is really a VERY clever way to reduce and aminate pseudo in 'one pot' BUT like a few of the ghetto synths that come out of russia (that's my guess) think "crocodile" :o the chemistry behind them is sound BUT it's what they call 'the workup', that's lacking :P
The 'workup' is the final stages of extracting the product from the reaction mix, and if it's going to be something you ingest, then several re-crystalisations are best done to remove any impurities ..... it's this that they dont do when making the chlorocrocide/desomorphine/crocodile in russia, and end up banging stuff with HEAPS of impurities, esp shit like phosporus, (and Iodine) matchmakers suffered badly from phosphorus related health problems until they figured it out!
PLUS....And this is the sad part,the also inject together with this drug they make, an 'anti-histamine' they believe enhances the effects of the 'crocodile' BUT, due to ignorance, and possibly lack of access to quality information, the particular anti-histamine they inject IS KNOW TO CAUSE NECROSIS WHEN INJECTED! :o And VERY possibly playing a huge part in the crazy necrotic skin diseases they almost accept as part and parcel of using that drug :o
This shit just blows me away and makes me SO angry to think this is happening partly becoz of The War on Drugs and The War on People who Just Want to Feel Good or Different for a While :D These poor kids killing themselves slowly (and what a fuckin horrible way to go!) becoz they know 'enough to make the drugs BUT not enough to make them safe :(
that's 'why, making drugs at home IS easier said than done' .... and NO amount of ph/internet advice is gonna help you with a runaway reaction :P
just sayin :P
ANY "illegal behavior" has inherent risks associated with it, and all you can do about those, is be aware of what the potential risks are, and take every precaution to avoid them...
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I guess my question to you motek(last one promise) is have you actually completed ANY of the synths listed on that site?
hmmm I would LOVE to tell you bro,,, but you know the First Rule about Dreaming dont you?
You DO NOT TALK ABOUT DREAMING IRL ;D
I'm not trying to be a dick, but whether I have or not makes NO difference to anything I've said here....AND...IF you were to bother to go to the sites I suggest ,, you WILL be able to read all about MANY folks who HAVE done various synths numerous times successfully...and FAR more than "just" mdx synths...and yes there is a great deal of discussion about LSD synthesis there as well 8)
And to add to the comment someone made about peeps gettting busted from just 'visiting' the vesp...BULLSHIT...esp if you "go there via TOR" duh ::)
99% of the time People get caught becoz they did something IRL that redlighted themselves, maybe getting pulled over in their car and some chems are discovered :o or something as stupid as a burgulary at the neighbors and the cops come peeking around the side/back of your place looking for a perp...and find some thing that's a Red flag...empty boxes, "strange smells " ...the list goes on :P
And then of course are the people who "get inspired to cook some dope" and buy all the instructions and get all the chems and get to cooking asap, BUT don't (yet ::)) know that ether is heavier than air, and haven't even thought about the possibility of a light/power switch making a spark that can/will ignite the ether fumes (they cant smell becoz they are still below waist level, let alone nose level!) and blow up the room they are in and burn anyone who's in it, and very possibly end up burning down the house.
In fact it's exploding tweakers who give clanchem a bad name! And we're not talking home 'labs' here, we're just talking about those people who "make speed" with a fucking ANFO device :o
I'm talking about 'shake'n bake' speed done with various solvents (ether works well) ammonium nitrate and lithium.....it is really a VERY clever way to reduce and aminate pseudo in 'one pot' BUT like a few of the ghetto synths that come out of russia (that's my guess) think "crocodile" :o the chemistry behind them is sound BUT it's what they call 'the workup', that's lacking :P
The 'workup' is the final stages of extracting the product from the reaction mix, and if it's going to be something you ingest, then several re-crystalisations are best done to remove any impurities ..... it's this that they dont do when making the chlorocrocide/desomorphine/crocodile in russia, and end up banging stuff with HEAPS of impurities, esp shit like phosporus, (and Iodine) matchmakers suffered badly from phosphorus related health problems until they figured it out!
PLUS....And this is the sad part,the also inject together with this drug they make, an 'anti-histamine' they believe enhances the effects of the 'crocodile' BUT, due to ignorance, and possibly lack of access to quality information, the particular anti-histamine they inject IS KNOW TO CAUSE NECROSIS WHEN INJECTED! :o And VERY possibly playing a huge part in the crazy necrotic skin diseases they almost accept as part and parcel of using that drug :o
This shit just blows me away and makes me SO angry to think this is happening partly becoz of The War on Drugs and The War on People who Just Want to Feel Good or Different for a While :D These poor kids killing themselves slowly (and what a fuckin horrible way to go!) becoz they know 'enough to make the drugs BUT not enough to make them safe :(
that's 'why, making drugs at home IS easier said than done' .... and NO amount of ph/internet advice is gonna help you with a runaway reaction :P
just sayin :P
ANY "illegal behavior" has inherent risks associated with it, and all you can do about those, is be aware of what the potential risks are, and take every precaution to avoid them...
I'm glad your tone of superiority is gone. I'm happy to have and listen to a rational discussion that doesn't involve "he's full of shit" and "sell's snake oil", and have one about specific ways to do X step, or why you think the methods he offers don't work RESPECTFULLY, instead of just trashing a guy's rep, which was verified by one of the top vendors here :|
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Quit Broing people dude, we are only responding to you for the benefit of others.
The only other time I have seen so many useless smilies is messages from Lugh,
Are you motherfucking Lugh just acting really fucking stupid so we cant tell?
Anyway I told you to ask Vesp he will tell you yes people have been raided from posting there.
Its not that Im gonna be raided its just that Im not gonna take part in that site.
This thread is about is it better to pay DDW or to search yourself and use trial and error.
If its not blindingly clear that going with DDW is the best choice then theres just no hope for you dude,
Seriously man, please do not breed and pollute the gene pool.
You....I like you. What do you sell, you have no active listings. Funny vendors always get my attention :D
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why you think the methods he offers don't work RESPECTFULLY, instead of just trashing a guy's rep, which was verified by one of the top vendors here :|
I said in an earlier post that I wasn't out just to diss the doc, but to comment that I thought to ask such prices for something that's out there for free is ridiculous, and taking advantage of ignorant noobs, coz no one who HAD visited one of the sites I mentioned I doubt they will go off after doing so and buy woody's advice, for ANY price!
How is dr woody actually going to 'provide' this advice, which he says will be 24/7...but it's only 5 questions/ but anyway How is he going to give his advice? He cant see what happening/
And I can't actively dispute his chemistry becoz he hasn't actually revealed anything about his methods other than a few very generalized statements.
As he hadn't proffered anything 'specific' there WAS nothing to argue 'other than' the fact I didn't believe this was a "good or fair deal" when there IS available to those who look, more than likely some of the most up to date info, on the web...the sites woody mentions died years ago, at least the ones I gave are active :P
As for a 'top vendor' backing him up...yeah that had me puzzled ??? that's why I mentioned it :-\
The only other time I have seen so many useless smilies is messages from Lugh,
Are you motherfucking Lugh just acting really fucking stupid so we cant tell?
Anyway I told you to ask Vesp he will tell you yes people have been raided from posting there.
Its not that Im gonna be raided its just that Im not gonna take part in that site.
lol and 'if I was lugh' would you be questioning my chemistry? ???
Also IF as you say you don't go to the vesp, HOW do you know all this? from talkin to vesp at ScienceMadness???
please elaborate on this information, I dont have access to vesp right now :D
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Side note: If you want anyone to take you seriously in a chemistry discussion, don't overuse smiley faces
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Internet, patents, forums, hidden forums :-X .
:o :D ;D ;) 8)
Proof of concept for dbz4u
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Internet, patents, forums, hidden forums :-X .
:o :D ;D ;) 8)
Proof of concept for dbz4u
lol ;D
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:) :) :)Seriously, like, whats wrong with smileys? :) :) :)
Me personally, i love them.. :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
People who dont like smileys must be meth heads, you cranky little crack heads.
dbz4u, moon unit sells free base. :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :(
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:) :) :)Seriously, like, whats wrong with smileys? :) :) :)
Me personally, i love them.. :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
People who dont like smileys must be meth heads, you cranky little crack heads.
dbz4u, moon unit sells free base. :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :(
lolz nvm then. I fuck with very few drugs currently, too many conditions that limit me. Can't take anything dopamine based :|
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there WAS nothing to argue 'other than' the fact I didn't believe this was a "good or fair deal"
Did you really need 3 pages, a lot of shit slinging and a bucketful of smiley faces to do that?
Sure looks like that wasn't the case earlier when you accused me of a bunch of shit, let me refresh your memory from this thread. Yeah when you misread one of my comments got fixated on me and just totally lost your shit?
Well..I DID but you skirted around/didn't reply to the phosph...ate/ite PO3 bullshit I called you on (how do you suggest folks "make it")....or anything else I mentioned . . . well? becoz YOU CANNOT
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He can't "win" this debate coz he's talkin shit.
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I just gave you a chance to actually refute my disagreements BUT you CANNOT....you DO NOT HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE!
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What details ASIDE from INCORRECT ones are you talking about?
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I notice how you have reverted to argumentum ad hominem BECOZ you CANNOT ANSWER MY QUESTIONS
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there WAS nothing to argue 'other than' the fact I didn't believe this was a "good or fair deal"
Did you really need 3 pages, a lot of shit slinging and a bucketful of smiley faces to do that?
lol +1
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Aurelius, it depends where you live. For australia the guides are useless, i messaged DDW about this, didnt seem to care, which is fine, whatever.
So there are NO sources. Only for people either in the EU or USA.
Again, what Motek is trying to say is, why pay all that for consulting, which is only 5 questions, when you can learn from chemists who are online, and wont charge you a cent?
Have any of you been reading anything of what Motek has to say? Go back and read again, seriously this is becoming very stale.
You will be busted trying to import hydroxylamine and helional from china, forget it, it AINT GONNA HAPPEN.
So you have a guide, great, where are your precursors? The forum of which Motek speaks is a fucking bee hive of information, so why dont you all pull your heads in, and learn something.
There is no quick fix to this.
I would love to try this, honestly, but i'm just not capable, even with all the knowledge. I'm very clumsy and would spill shit everywhere.
It had been a pipe dream of mine for awhile, but its just not worth it to me, living in australia, you are being watched for everything. Order one bit of glassware online, even if its legal, i bet you'll still get a knock on the door looking for intent to manufacture. Plus i'm getting married and i'd hate to be seeing my wife through a door of bars... and my children..
So i cant talk from any experience, i swing hammers for a living, not test tubes and beakers, i hated science, but i love what it can achieve.
So everyone have open minds, Motek was kind enough to help some of you save some coin, but due to extreme laziness, i dont think anyone has bothered to look?
One thing i dont like is future clandestine chemists being lazy, it spells trouble and an inferior product. >:(
How long has DDW's guide been available? However long, i've seen no one selling MDA on SR which everyone is screaming for. Where is it?
Ok, out of all the vendors on SR, there are only 2 vendors, one from the USA and one from NORWAY who are currently selling it.
Not that easy now is it fellas?
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jnemonic is right.
I know someone that bought some chemicals, not for drug manufacture, and the Australian Federal Police turns up at his door. They suspected him of terrorism!
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jnemonic is right.
I know someone that bought some chemicals, not for drug manufacture, and the Australian Federal Police turns up at his door. They suspected him of terrorism!
You don't fuck with Australia. Either the govt is kicking your ass or your being eaten by an animal you've never heard of. You can't win :|
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Looks like motek finally fucked off
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he was right though in a rude way.
I have been on the hive back in the 90's and from there I moved with warami to wetdreams and the fight between dawrfer and warami and the split that happened etc...
all the information I have taken from those sites.. over 30gb of data... there are enough questions and answers and trial and error and pictures and step by step chem etc... that if you have that it's technically worth thousands of dollars..
I made it into a searchable database... there you have from the beginning with all the so called names etc... from them being newbz to celeb clandestine chemists..
that for someone who is truly interested in the method and the chemistry is worth more than a shake n bake step by step synth....
I could sell that blu ray disc worth of data.. not only the synths but the trial and error that all the people that tried it and eventually succeded at... you want people that actually produced products ... and not only 1 chem but many many... you can search the site...
It took me over 14 years of reading those sites and doing my thing... not only purchasing intermediates and such but all the glassware and stuff.. I started out thinking that I could just do a suitcase lab... etc.... but eventually ended up learning a masters degree in chem worth of knowledge and spending over 10k in lab supplies and not only that the connections within the chem community due to my also going to school for a BSC in Pharm + MA in NeuroPharm.... what I learned is... yes it's possible... yes I can do it.... but the actual cost outweighs anything else.... Prison.. and what it actually takes to pull it off.
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Why are you bumping this Jediknight... heh.
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As a fellow chemist I'd like to give my 2 thumbs up to DDW. I have purchased some of his guides and asked him various questions regarding his guides. He answers quick and gets to the point.
Sure, his guides are a bit sloppy (I have been meaning to re-write them and send them back to him to help out). They do contain all the information needed though. There are some pieces of information he provides which cannot be found anywhere. I have researched journals and forums. Indeed he does know what he's talking about. He ain't no punk ass.
That's my two cents. DDW is the man. What he is providing is something worth far more than his asking price. If you don't get that, don't order, because you shouldn't be doing it...
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As a fellow chemist I'd like to give my 2 thumbs up to DDW. I have purchased some of his guides and asked him various questions regarding his guides. He answers quick and gets to the point.
Sure, his guides are a bit sloppy (I have been meaning to re-write them and send them back to him to help out). They do contain all the information needed though. There are some pieces of information he provides which cannot be found anywhere. I have researched journals and forums. Indeed he does know what he's talking about. He ain't no punk ass.
That's my two cents. DDW is the man. What he is providing is something worth far more than his asking price. If you don't get that, don't order, because you shouldn't be doing it...
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Deemtea, if your a chemist, why did you buy the guides? ???
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As a fellow chemist I'd like to give my 2 thumbs up to DDW. I have purchased some of his guides and asked him various questions regarding his guides. He answers quick and gets to the point.
Sure, his guides are a bit sloppy (I have been meaning to re-write them and send them back to him to help out). They do contain all the information needed though. There are some pieces of information he provides which cannot be found anywhere. I have researched journals and forums. Indeed he does know what he's talking about. He ain't no punk ass.
That's my two cents. DDW is the man. What he is providing is something worth far more than his asking price. If you don't get that, don't order, because you shouldn't be doing it...
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Deemtea, if your a chemist, why did you buy the guides? ???
Because he's a better chemist. Has much more experience. Let me make an analogy here to see it in a different light.
If a high school baseball pitcher bought a "Be the best pitcher you can be" DVD from Greg Maddox, would you ask him "why would you buy the pitching guide, aren't you a pitcher?"
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Understanding, not guides, are how synthesis happens. Everything you need to know to do reactions is out there and available, and asking for it in some convenient how to guide isn't the right way to go about things, and frequently the figures pushing such as if that was all there is to it, later are seen as people not actually engaged in the act itself.
If you want to get into producing some drugs from scratch , start low. Do extractions to start and make some dmt, some mescaline, some 5meo, etc. Then do some simple reactions like making some GHB via the sandmeyer reaction. Then read and learn more methods on the production of stuff like mdma, 2cb, etc. At some point your going to figure out that precursors can be difficult to procure or produce and that there are alot of novel routes to chemicals that aren't exactly practical in a monetary sense. If you want to find your golden goose your going to have to find ways around tricky problems when it comes to availability of precursors, because the DEA is constantly working to shut down popular and economic routes. It will require thinking outside the box, and your not going to find that in any guide.
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Understanding, not guides, are how synthesis happens. Everything you need to know to do reactions is out there and available, and asking for it in some convenient how to guide isn't the right way to go about things, and frequently the figures pushing such as if that was all there is to it, later are seen as people not actually engaged in the act itself.
If you want to get into producing some drugs from scratch , start low. Do extractions to start and make some dmt, some mescaline, some 5meo, etc. Then do some simple reactions like making some GHB via the sandmeyer reaction. Then read and learn more methods on the production of stuff like mdma, 2cb, etc. At some point your going to figure out that precursors can be difficult to procure or produce and that there are alot of novel routes to chemicals that aren't exactly practical in a monetary sense. If you want to find your golden goose your going to have to find ways around tricky problems when it comes to availability of precursors, because the DEA is constantly working to shut down popular and economic routes. It will require thinking outside the box, and your not going to find that in any guide.
I don't think I explained myself very well based upon your response. I am a DMT vendor here by the name of Rogerpete. I make DMT from tryptamine by doing a reductive amination using formaldehyde as the methyl source. With out going into detail, I average a 93% yield and 98% purity.
I've done too many Sandmeyers to count. I do about 400 reactions/year...the latest reaction I've been working on is a tetrazole formation from a nitrile and sodium azide (Sharpless). I've tried various methods: I2 as the catalyst, ZnBr2 as the catalyst, next I'm trying TBSN3 as the azide source. The reaction doesn't require as high temps as the others (120 degrees C +++ for the others). The molecule I'm working on is rather sensitive to high heat (found out after heating at 140 degrees C in DMF)...that's why I am trying TBSN3 next. I didn't want to use TBSN3 because it is extremely sensitive to air...don't get me wrong, I have an Argon tank, but it's kind of a one use deal with that azide source. Gotta get it in small vials/quantities so as to not waste...
I have learned through the years how to order the things I need and how to synthesize the things I don't want to order.
I ordered the LSD guide from Dr. DeepWood mostly for the ergot strain source. Mission accomplished. $800 or whatever for a high alkaloid yielding strain? That is extremely cheap. Getting from E.T. --->LSA---->LSD is the easy part (have already accomplished this using PyBOP/Et3N). Getting from petri dish ---> pure E.T., well, that's not so easy. But it is possible now that I have the strain. DDW is quick to respond to questions and gets right to the point. He knows his shit.
I've synthesized Mescaline from 3,4,5-trimethoxybenzaldehyde. I've synthesized MDMA using safrole. I've synthesized 5-MeO...
Enough said. I stand by DDW. Thanks for the input.
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Thank you exgo for this post, and MAN what an AMAZING library you have there :o 8) ANDs 'searchable' too? Wow! ;D 8) That must have been a LOT of work! :o
If you'd like to share a copy with a fellow bee that would bee truly awesome 8) ;D I'd be very interested in buying a disc f rom you :)
And as you say, with which I wholeheartedly concur, together with the other posters here like dissonace whoalso know what they're talking about 8)
he was right though in a rude way.
I have been on the hive back in the 90's and from there I moved with warami to wetdreams and the fight between dawrfer and warami and the split that happened etc...
all the information I have taken from those sites.. over 30gb of data... there are enough questions and answers and trial and error and pictures and step by step chem etc... that if you have that it's technically worth thousands of dollars..
I made it into a searchable database... there you have from the beginning with all the so called names etc... from them being newbz to celeb clandestine chemists..
that for someone who is truly interested in the method and the chemistry is worth more than a shake n bake step by step synth....
I could sell that blu ray disc worth of data.. not only the synths but the trial and error that all the people that tried it and eventually succeded at... you want people that actually produced products ... and not only 1 chem but many many... you can search the site...
It took me over 14 years of reading those sites and doing my thing... not only purchasing intermediates and such but all the glassware and stuff.. I started out thinking that I could just do a suitcase lab... etc.... but eventually ended up learning a masters degree in chem worth of knowledge and spending over 10k in lab supplies and not only that the connections within the chem community due to my also going to school for a BSC in Pharm + MA in NeuroPharm.... what I learned is... yes it's possible... yes I can do it.... but the actual cost outweighs anything else.... Prison.. and what it actually takes to pull it off.
I couldn't have put it better (shit I tried :D, as you can read :P)
"I am a DMT vendor here by the name of Rogerpete. I make DMT from tryptamine by doing a reductive amination using formaldehyde as the methyl source. "
what via an an Eischweiler-Clark?
"I have learned through the years how to order the things I need and how to synthesize the things I don't want to order."
Like I was saying, these things dont happen overnight!
Be it food OR chemicals, the knowlegde and skills required to pull off "quality cooking" doesn't come from just reading the cook books, no matter HOW GOOD they are ::)
and from what's been posted by people who HAVE bought his 'book' and aren't chemists, they are poorly written and difficault to follow!
And yet they are apparently "marketed for the beginner" suggesting they will be able to pump out kilos of 98% MDMA in a few weeks, especially IF theey also BUY the "consulting" which is FIVE questions answered !!! For a noob!
What I'd LOVE to know IS "how the the good doctor going to actually provide this wonderful service?" Skype? And what does he do (fuck! what does the noob cook DO?) when he encounters his first runaway?
"I ordered the LSD guide from Dr. DeepWood mostly for the ergot strain source. Mission accomplished. $800 or whatever for a high alkaloid yielding strain? That is extremely cheap. Getting from E.T. --->LSA---->LSD is the easy part (have already accomplished this using PyBOP/Et3N). Getting from petri dish ---> pure E.T., well, THAT'S NOT SO EASY! (wtf you talking about? RP says you do it in BUCKETS!)
But it is possible now that I have the strain. DDW is quick to respond to questions and gets right to the point. He knows his shit."
That's great to hear, well done, And now you have some ergotamine,
Pray tell, how are you going to access the lysercic acid REQUIRED to synthesis LSD? Synth it maybe ?
Or is THAT the "trick/tip" he says cannot be found ANYWHERE else? "How you can make lysergic acid in a buried fishtank or something? Maybe he does it in backets too :o
deemtea NOTHING you discuss here EXCEPT, "maybe" the dmt extractions are "easy" and not even that for someone with no lab experience (and "sufficient experience" won't happen in a few weeks, no matter how much 'consulting' RP gives ... and AGAIN I ask "HOW" will he provide this consulting?
dr woody HAS NOT ANSWERED THIS QUESTION even though he's been asked it several times AND it wold only be a good thing to do so, and reassure
THE BOTTOM LINE here IS; "Caveat Emptor" aka Let the Buyer BEWARE!
It appears Ron Paul has removed his listings ???
I wonder why SO MANY vendors are sticking up for this guy who IS CLEARLY TACKING ADVANTAGE OF FOLKS who 'dream about 'cooking' their own drugs'
How can Moon Unit post in this topic when they have only 14 posts? How did they get around that? Other vendors couldn't ???
It's NOT JUST THAT EASY! Maybe back in the 90's or earlier when you could openly buy the precursors which did only then require a few steps to 'assemble' but NOT now
I just hope people DO the smart thing and check the forums before they make ANY purchases, of anything, from anyone on the road!
And hopefully they can refer to this thread when wanting to know what the community think of this blatant ripoff, as it HAS BEEN CLEARLY POINTED OUT!
And where ARE ALL the successful dr woody customers posts?
The couple of "believable" customers who bought his guide say it's in effect useless :( btw thanx to all of you who were honest enough to tell the truth and say so 8)
Oh well, there's a sucker born every minute, and woody seems to have found a few ... hmmmphff! A pretty sleazy 100k imo >:(
Ok woody, your turn :) (as I just KNOW you'll HAVE to have the last word ::))
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I suggest DDW to start making tutorial video, instead of just books.
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To Motek:
1) Yes, Eschweiler-Clarke.
2) Yes, it takes time and experience to learn about these things. These guides are not for a noob.
3) "Getting from petri dish ---> pure E.T., well, THAT'S NOT SO EASY! (wtf you talking about? RP says you do it in BUCKETS!)"
Why are you dropping F bombs? Relax dude. I said getting from petri dish to E.T. You have to seed a larger culture using the plate and extract the E.T. from that.
4) "That's great to hear, well done, And now you have some ergotamine, Pray tell, how are you going to access the lysercic acid REQUIRED to synthesis LSD? Synth it maybe ? "
How am I going to access the lysergic acid? Are you kidding me right now? Synth it maybe? What is the point of producing Ergotamine Tartrate? What happens when you do a hydrolysis of ergotamine tartrate? Bingo.
5) " It appears Ron Paul has removed his listings ??? "
No, he did not, I just checked and all of his listings are up.
6) You get free consulting with the purchase of any guide. You don't have to pay for 5 questions. I've asked him more than 5 questions and haven't paid a dime for consulting.
Lastly but not least, why are you being rude? The tone of your message was just plain rude. Can't we have a grown up discussion here? Was I ever rude in any of my posts in this thread? I think not. Your attitude makes me think you are just a high school/college punk on a temper tantrum.
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Do you really need 5L Helional to synth 1k of MDA? And why do you need so much bleach (35 Liters)?
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Why do you idolize a Rat DEA worker, also someone who rained death on insects with his invention for decades.
Dirty Bug Killer
Excuse me, could you explain yourself?
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6) You get free consulting with the purchase of any guide. You don't have to pay for 5 questions. I've asked him more than 5 questions and haven't paid a dime for consulting.
Not when I first saw the listings, IIRC it was roughly the same price for 5 'answers via consultation' as it was for his guide!
What happens when you do a hydrolysis of ergotamine tartrate?
'hydrolysing ergotamine' yeilds "lysergic acid diethylamide" in one step! Are YOU being serious here? :-\
(and BTW..how are you obtaining the ergot SALT (the tartrate) DIRECTLY from a petri dish?
There HAVE BEEN too many of my questions left unanswered in this topic ... becoz they HAVE no LOGICAL answers!
Lastly but not least, why are you being rude?
I'm not, at least I'm not trying to bee, and you deemtea have only just chimed in on the back of all the other posts, so I view all/any of you to defend this guy as "partners in crime" and will treat you accordingly (If i was speaking to you I would be no different, you could just hear the tone in my voice, and wouldn't say that)
And this IS NOT a 'chemistry discussion' BUT a discussion about someone who's SELLING information for ridiculous prices, offering chinese helional sources (probably so those who TRY his "methods" get busted before they can post about his info being bullshit AND dangerous)
Several other members here (besides myself) have also tried to point this out! What's that about horses and water, but they wont drink? ::)
Quote from: moon unit on Today at 05:26 am HOW CAN HE BE POSTING IN THIS FORUM WITH <50 POSTS???)
Why do you idolize a Rat DEA worker, also someone who rained death on insects with his invention for decades.
Dirty Bug Killer
Excuse me, could you explain yourself?
it's talking about how Dr Shulgin made his fortune back in the 1950's synthesizing an insecticide which made the company he worked for at the time, a great deal of money, as did he, as well as obtaining a 'free reign' to use their labs for his research.
So for a moon unit; Ergo sum he is a killer, who;s later work has NO relevance DUE to this fact....well that's what I read into his statement :P
And I'm STILL waiting for answers to several LOGICAL questions, that have been avoided dr woody OR by anyone on woody's side
I suggest DDW to start making tutorial video, instead of just books
LMAO yep, and he can have "face to face tutorials with his cooks" ;D
If the fact he's ripping people off wasn't so serious, this thread would be fuckin funny!
p.s. and dmt, the "f-bomb"?? seriously!? :o What world do you come from? And yet you're here on a DRUG BUYING related forum?! FFS!
I"m STILL waiting to hear about ONE successful RP synth being DONE by someone who bought his guides ...
like the first few posts from people who HAD BOUGHT HIS GUIDES and FOUND THEM USELESS >:(
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also someone who rained death on insects with his invention for decades.
Dirty Bug Killer
Says a privileged Westerner whose local grocery store shelves are never empty because pest epidemics don't wipe out crops anymore.
As if these things happen by magic.
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Says a privileged Westerner whose local grocery store shelves are never empty because pest epidemics don't wipe out crops anymore.
As if these things happen by magic.
lol yeah exactly! He used the money he made from those patents to fund his research and using his skills into developing and understanding psychotropic compounds intially based upon phenethylamine and the tryptamines, and tried to inform people (including the DEA et al. about the TRUTH of these 'drugs'
The docu about him "Dirty Pictures" gives a reasonable (not great, but good) overview on his work and life 8)
And yet I dont hear any bitchin about the phenthyalmine or tryptamine analogues he synthed AND shared with the World...
FOR FREE! 8)
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'hydrolysing ergotamine' yeilds "lysergic acid diethylamide" in one step! Are YOU being serious here? :-\
(and BTW..how are you obtaining the ergot SALT (the tartrate) DIRECTLY from a petri dish?
Alright, it's become rather obvious you have no idea what you are talking about. I really don't want to waste my time explaining things to you, but here it goes:
1) The hydrolysis of ergotamine yields lysergic acid. From there you do a peptide coupling with a certain amine and a certain carboxylic acid to obtain LSD.
2) I never mentioned anything about "directly from a petri dish to ergotamine tartrate." You use the dish to inoculate a seed culture, then use the seed culture to seed a production culture. Then extract from there. This is very basic stuff...
Lastly but not least, why are you being rude?
I'm not, at least I'm not trying to bee, and you deemtea have only just chimed in on the back of all the other posts, so I view all/any of you to defend this guy as "partners in crime" and will treat you accordingly (If i was speaking to you I would be no different, you could just hear the tone in my voice, and wouldn't say that)
And I'm STILL waiting for answers to several LOGICAL questions, that have been avoided dr woody OR by anyone on woody's side
What questions do you have?
p.s. and dmt, the "f-bomb"?? seriously!? :o What world do you come from? And yet you're here on a DRUG BUYING related forum?! FFS!
What, because this is a drug related forum you feel the need to be disrespectful? What world do you come from? When you respond to things with "WTF are you talking about?" that is rude. You would come across a lot better with something such as "I don't understand what you are saying here, could you please explain yourself?" Do you see the difference? It's even worse that you say these things when YOU are the one with limited understanding on these topics. I didn't think I'd have to explain things so much for you, but that is obviously not the case...
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I've been meaning to post on this for a while and now is the perfect oppurtunity.
Anyone that bought those guides just got ripped off. You basically just bought one of those books you see on late night TV "How to Become an Overnight Millionaire".
First of all, everything that you find in the guide was most likely taken from the rhodium archives that are located on erowid. There is no magical synthesis that this tweaker figured out that nobody else knows about. The moment I saw a tutorial titled "Easy LSD synthesis" I pegged this guy as a hack. I actually hope he defends himself.
Second, if you have to pick up a guide called "Easy MDMA synthesis" then chances are you have little to no knowledge of Chemistry and you are going to fail miserably, or even worse hurt youself or someone else.
Playing with volatile materials isnt a game.
There is no easy way to create MDMA, it's a pretty difficult multistep synthesis that requires knowledge.
It's very possible, but only if you do your homework and just arent looking for a quick cash grab.
If the synthesis was easy ever strung out raver would be cranking out the most euphoric, racemic MDMA xtals and there would be a good music scene in the U.S. lol.
'rhodium archives' - This... Basically, if you spent $400 dollars for something you could have googled 10 years ago , you will fail.
get rich quick scheme indeed.
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Hi DeemTea, i have a question to ask you.
I hope your well and have had a great day.
I have just been looking at your vendor page, and i noticed you sell DMT.
Seeing that you now have DDW's guides, and even though you are a clandestine chemist, when can we expect your 1kilo batches of MDA to become available?
MDA is very popular, so i would love to know when you plan on adding MDA to your listings.
Thank you very much for your time.
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Hi DeemTea, i have a question to ask you.
I hope your well and have had a great day.
I have just been looking at your vendor page, and i noticed you sell DMT.
Seeing that you now have DDW's guides, and even though you are a clandestine chemist, when can we expect your 1kilo batches of MDA to become available?
MDA is very popular, so i would love to know when you plan on adding MDA to your listings.
Thank you very much for your time.
Honestly, MDA is not on my list of priorities. Maybe further in the future, but as of now I am busy enough with my current situation...
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I could see you selling much more MDA than DMT. ;)
But if MDA isnt on your list of priority's, what guide/s did you buy, LSD or the MDMA guide?
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1) The hydrolysis of ergotamine yields lysergic acid. From there you do a peptide coupling
Yeah it was a 'trick' question, and it seems you do have a handle on your org chem BUT from they methods you say you use, you MUST have one amazing lab at your disposal 8) After all those DMT extractions require mad skillz ;D
Manufacturing LSD requires laboratory equipment and experience in the field of organic chemistry. It takes two to three days to produce 30 to 100 grams of pure compound. It is believed that LSD is not usually produced in large quantities, but rather in a series of small batches. This technique minimizes the loss of precursor chemicals in case a step does not work as expected
Oh and as for your 'foramide' which I guess is DMF...
DMF must be 'peptide grade' i.e. little/no impurities and must also be 'fresh'. This is due to the fact that DMF undergoes photolysis to form carbon monoxide and dimethylamine. Dimethylamine may remove the Fmoc group and, therefore, lead to impurities.
So I guess you use "user friendly chemicals" like phosphoryl chloride (as was discussed earlier in this thread before you came) with your Py-BOP aka "benzotriazol-1-yl-oxytripyrrolidinophosphonium hexafluorophosphae" ..... and the TFAA you mention (triflouroacetic acid) you get that at the pharmacy yeah?
yep I can definitely get all that at the local chemistry suppliers, over the counter for cash, no forms to fill in or EUD's or any questions asked :o Yeah right!
And I VERY MUCH DOUBT this is something a person with a LOT chemistry knowledge could pull off in their bathroom/garage ghetto lab ::)
MAYBE, just maybe some folks have the equipment needed to do this synth, BUT getting the precursors IS another matter altogether
Posted by: clandestination
« on: February 03, 2013, 11:49 pm »
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Quote from: d1ssonanc3 on January 09, 2013, 05:03 am
I've been meaning to post on this for a while and now is the perfect oppurtunity.
Anyone that bought those guides just got ripped off. You basically just bought one of those books you see on late night TV "How to Become an Overnight Millionaire".
First of all, everything that you find in the guide was most likely taken from the rhodium archives that are located on erowid. There is no magical synthesis that this tweaker figured out that nobody else knows about. The moment I saw a tutorial titled "Easy LSD synthesis" I pegged this guy as a hack. I actually hope he defends himself.
Second, if you have to pick up a guide called "Easy MDMA synthesis" then chances are you have little to no knowledge of Chemistry and you are going to fail miserably, or even worse hurt youself or someone else.
Playing with volatile materials isnt a game.
There is no easy way to create MDMA, it's a pretty difficult multistep synthesis that requires knowledge.
It's very possible, but only if you do your homework and just arent looking for a quick cash grab.
If the synthesis was easy ever strung out raver would be cranking out the most euphoric, racemic MDMA xtals and there would be a good music scene in the U.S. lol.
'rhodium archives' - This... Basically, if you spent $400 dollars for something you could have googled 10 years ago , you will fail.
get rich quick scheme indeed.
AS YOU CAN SEE, I AM NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO SAYS Ron Pauls 'notes' aren't worth the paper they're written on, let alone the postage ;D
Like I've said MANY times in this thread, "if you ARE STUPID ENOUGH to listen to these so called 'chemists' saying ron pauls data IS 'worth it'" by all means go ahead and pay him so you too can make your VERY OWN TAR at home!
Wooohooo! But before you do, you will have forked out $1,000's on equipment .... or do you do your work in teapots, buckets and plastic bottles?
Deemtea, you 'sound like' you know some chemistry and as you say
I've synthesized Mescaline from 3,4,5-trimethoxybenzaldehyde. I've synthesized MDMA using safrole. I've synthesized 5-MeO...
Honestly, MDA is not on my list of priorities. Maybe further in the future, but as of now I am busy enough with my current situation
MDA only requires ONE different chemical for the amination, otherwise the synth is exactly the same? why not make both?
SO.....what happened to your "peptide coupled LSD" you SAY you MADE from ergot extracts obtained from Paspalum grass? How come NO mention of that until much later in the thread?
I leave this thread for those with enough sense to 'read between it's lines' . . . and make up your own minds. ;)
I've got more interesting things to do 8)
p.s. as far as my "language" the word 'fuck' has MANY uses in the english language, MOST of them ARE NOT DEROGATORY !
Man! you must be either, constantly offended by most peoples daily communication, the TV, films, newspapers, or, you are some type of prudish hermit with little contact with the real world, who probably (at home with his parents) and lives a double life with no one you know having ANY idea about your illegal drug use, o
Howz that working for you? On second thoughts, I really dont want to know!
Remember everybody! Caveat Emptor ..... Let the buyer BEWARE!
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1) The hydrolysis of ergotamine yields lysergic acid. From there you do a peptide coupling
Yeah it was a 'trick' question, and it seems you do have a handle on your org chem BUT from they methods you say you use, you MUST have one amazing lab at your disposal 8) After all those DMT extractions require mad skillz ;D
Manufacturing LSD requires laboratory equipment and experience in the field of organic chemistry. It takes two to three days to produce 30 to 100 grams of pure compound. It is believed that LSD is not usually produced in large quantities, but rather in a series of small batches. This technique minimizes the loss of precursor chemicals in case a step does not work as expected
Oh and as for your 'foramide' which I guess is DMF...
DMF must be 'peptide grade' i.e. little/no impurities and must also be 'fresh'. This is due to the fact that DMF undergoes photolysis to form carbon monoxide and dimethylamine. Dimethylamine may remove the Fmoc group and, therefore, lead to impurities.
So I guess you use "user friendly chemicals" like phosphoryl chloride (as was discussed earlier in this thread before you came) with your Py-BOP aka "benzotriazol-1-yl-oxytripyrrolidinophosphonium hexafluorophosphae" ..... and the TFAA you mention (triflouroacetic acid) you get that at the pharmacy yeah?
yep I can definitely get all that at the local chemistry suppliers, over the counter for cash, no forms to fill in or EUD's or any questions asked :o Yeah right!
And I VERY MUCH DOUBT this is something a person with a LOT chemistry knowledge could pull off in their bathroom/garage ghetto lab ::)
MAYBE, just maybe some folks have the equipment needed to do this synth, BUT getting the precursors IS another matter altogether
Posted by: clandestination
« on: February 03, 2013, 11:49 pm »
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Quote from: d1ssonanc3 on January 09, 2013, 05:03 am
I've been meaning to post on this for a while and now is the perfect oppurtunity.
Anyone that bought those guides just got ripped off. You basically just bought one of those books you see on late night TV "How to Become an Overnight Millionaire".
First of all, everything that you find in the guide was most likely taken from the rhodium archives that are located on erowid. There is no magical synthesis that this tweaker figured out that nobody else knows about. The moment I saw a tutorial titled "Easy LSD synthesis" I pegged this guy as a hack. I actually hope he defends himself.
Second, if you have to pick up a guide called "Easy MDMA synthesis" then chances are you have little to no knowledge of Chemistry and you are going to fail miserably, or even worse hurt youself or someone else.
Playing with volatile materials isnt a game.
There is no easy way to create MDMA, it's a pretty difficult multistep synthesis that requires knowledge.
It's very possible, but only if you do your homework and just arent looking for a quick cash grab.
If the synthesis was easy ever strung out raver would be cranking out the most euphoric, racemic MDMA xtals and there would be a good music scene in the U.S. lol.
'rhodium archives' - This... Basically, if you spent $400 dollars for something you could have googled 10 years ago , you will fail.
get rich quick scheme indeed.
AS YOU CAN SEE, I AM NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO SAYS Ron Pauls 'notes' aren't worth the paper they're written on, let alone the postage ;D
Like I've said MANY times in this thread, "if you ARE STUPID ENOUGH to listen to these so called 'chemists' saying ron pauls data IS 'worth it'" by all means go ahead and pay him so you too can make your VERY OWN TAR at home!
Wooohooo! But before you do, you will have forked out $1,000's on equipment .... or do you do your work in teapots, buckets and plastic bottles?
Deemtea, you 'sound like' you know some chemistry and as you say
I've synthesized Mescaline from 3,4,5-trimethoxybenzaldehyde. I've synthesized MDMA using safrole. I've synthesized 5-MeO...
Honestly, MDA is not on my list of priorities. Maybe further in the future, but as of now I am busy enough with my current situation
MDA only requires ONE different chemical for the amination, otherwise the synth is exactly the same? why not make both?
SO.....what happened to your "peptide coupled LSD" you SAY you MADE from ergot extracts obtained from Paspalum grass? How come NO mention of that until much later in the thread?
I leave this thread for those with enough sense to 'read between it's lines' . . . and make up your own minds. ;)
I've got more interesting things to do 8)
p.s. as far as my "language" the word 'fuck' has MANY uses in the english language, MOST of them ARE NOT DEROGATORY !
Man! you must be either, constantly offended by most peoples daily communication, the TV, films, newspapers, or, you are some type of prudish hermit with little contact with the real world, who probably (at home with his parents) and lives a double life with no one you know having ANY idea about your illegal drug use,
MOTEK:
Please leave this type of work to professionals, you have no place here. If you think you can use Phosphorus Oxychloride and PYBOP together to produce LSD from Lysergic Acid you have a lot of reading to do. You have NO idea what you are talking about.
If you read anything I have posted or read my vendor account you would instantly know I DON'T EXTRACT DMT FROM MHRB! God you are annoying. And I never mentioned anything about TFA (it's not TFAA).
What happened to my L you ask? Well I got rid of it. That's what I do. Not on here either.
And yes, someone with "a lot of chemistry knowledge" could pull this off in their bathroom.
"Deemtea, you 'sound like' you know some chemistry and as you say"
Are you kidding me right now? You are a joke. You have no idea what you are talking about.
" MDA only requires ONE different chemical for the amination, otherwise the synth is exactly the same? why not make both?"
Because I don't have time. As I stated, I'm busy enough as it is. I have a life. Being the #1 domestic DMT supplier is no easy task. Try it sometime lol.
p.s. as far as my "language" the word 'fuck' has MANY uses in the english language, MOST of them ARE NOT DEROGATORY !
"Man! you must be either, constantly offended by most peoples daily communication, the TV, films, newspapers, or, you are some type of prudish hermit with little contact with the real world, who probably (at home with his parents) and lives a double life with no one you know having ANY idea about your illegal drug use, o"
Actually, I've never had any issue with anyone but you. You are the only one on this forum so far who has made a complete ass of themselves while being such a dick head in dealings with me. Again, you have no idea what you are talking about.
Good luck with all your pent up hatred, makes you look like quite a clown. Why don't you go read my feedback and think about your teeny bopper attitude. Quite the tool you are...that is all. I am done responding to your amateurish babbling.
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And no, it wasn't a "trick" question as you called it...it became a "trick" question after you realized how dumb you looked by asking.
And good going searching what PYBOP stands for "Py-BOP aka "benzotriazol-1-yl-oxytripyrrolidinophosphonium hexafluorophosphae"
That gave me a good laugh!
Dream on guy.
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deemtea wins imo
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your above post CLEARLY SHOWS you havenn't read the preceding pages of this thread, and are completely unaware of the heavy sarcam associated with MY comments' ::)
Dude you discuss "peptide coupling" and yet LAUGH when I state a common reagent used in the process, aka ""Py-BOP aka "benzotriazol-1-yl-oxytripyrrolidinophosphonium hexafluorophosphae" :o
That gave me a good laugh! And then you resort to attacking the individual AFTER giving me a FUCKIN LECTURE on "good manners" :o FFS dude, talk about double standards! ::) e.g.
You are the only one on this forum so far who has made a complete ass of themselves while being such a dick head in dealings with me. Again, you have no idea what you are talking about.
Good luck with all your pent up hatred, makes you look like quite a clown. Why don't you go read my feedback and think about your teeny bopper attitude. Quite the tool you are...that is all. I am done responding to your amateurish babbling.
More 'argumetum adhominem' or 'attacking the speaker, not the content' why am I not surprised?
Yeah you just keep "pointing that finger" bro, and continue to remain too blind, to see the three fingers pointing back at yourself.
It's called "projecting ones feelings" ... you can look it up And you may have noticed not once have I EVER mentioned selling ANYTHING, unlike you and your shameless self promotion
I hope this makes you happy ;)
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Arguing with motek is pointless, you can not reason with someone who has abandoned logic.
If motek was anything other than a total idiot he would have stopped posting on this thread already due to the fact that he made such an idiot of himself in previous posts.
motek, tell me about that SO3 method you kept blabbing about?
If motek had the balls to do real work he would not be spending his time here, but instead of putting on his big boy pants and making some product he just wants to argue with chemists online because thats what gets his rocks off.
Motek: thanks for bumping this thread! 3k views of free publicity for me, keep it up!
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Quote from: moon unit on Today at 05:26 am HOW CAN HE BE POSTING IN THIS FORUM WITH <50 POSTS???)
Why do you idolize a Rat DEA worker, also someone who rained death on insects with his invention for decades.
Dirty Bug Killer
Excuse me, could you explain yourself?
it's talking about how Dr Shulgin made his fortune back in the 1950's synthesizing an insecticide which made the company he worked for at the time, a great deal of money, as did he, as well as obtaining a 'free reign' to use their labs for his research.
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Thanks for clearing that up, but i couldn't care less, Shulgin has done a lot and contributed a lot of information to the world.
Also could a chemist tell me why you need 5L of Helional for one kg of MDA? And why do you need so much bleach (35 liters) ? DDW doesn't answer my messages.
Comparing the chemicals needed for the MDMA/MDA synthesis, the MDMA one seems to have a lot of toxic and aggressive chemicals but when i look at the MDA synth most of the chemicals aren't that dangerous, shouldn't you have a fume hood for certain reactions or a chemical suit? You wouldn't want to turn your house in a gas chamber (if you use the bathroom like DDW mentioned)
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It may be free publicity, but i havent seen anyone post a single successful synth.
How long have the guides been available now?
There are still people missing the point from what Motek is trying to point out.
The information is already out there. Once you guys have spent some time developing lab technique, etc, it will all start to fall into place.
The practical understanding is what you need.
But still, i'm not against Ron for publishing the guides, and i hope the people who have bought them are able to learn everything they need and have the confidence to do whats needed in a proper safe environment.
Also for anyone making anything, please dont do it in a bathroom, have a sterile, ultra-clean environment, with a fume hood, etc. They are very easy to make and should be mandatory.
But if it was me, i'd be putting that money towards a mantle and glassware.
Once you have the organic chem lab survival manual, it will open your eyes.
Anyway, hope you guys all start to get along, or whoever started this thread, maybe you should delete it, its going nowhere...
If anyone has any success from the guides, then i'm sure they will post it in rons review thread...
Deemtea....i'm still very dubious that you bought the guide. It just doesnt make sense to me. You are either a friend of rons, or rons alter ego.
Either way, your posts should be taken with a grain of salt, but not including your clandestine abilitys. Its the fact of those abilitys that makes you buying the guides even more ridiculous.
For as ron mentions, its Step 3 that gets people into trouble, and basically, an mdma synth is a mdma synth.
And i'm pretty damn sure that step 3 would not bee a problem for you. ;)
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Thanks for clearing that up, but i couldn't care less, Shulgin has done a lot and contributed a lot of information to the world.
Yes I agree he was a brilliant chemist with an extraordinary pov and did a HUGE amount for us psychonauts ;D 8) and we are eternally grateful! :)
Also could a chemist tell me why you need 5L of Helional for one kg of MDA? .
The only reasons I can think of is that it's very low purity helional :-\ If you were starting from "pure" helional say >90% with a good synthesis one should be able to obtain yeilds well in excess of 60% (which is an extremely low figure aka poor yeild) A good chemist who knows what they're doing and has a good setup could quite possibly get yeilds of 80% plus starting with "helional" aka " 2-Methyl-3-(3,4-methylenedioxyphenyl)propanal" which is as close to a perfect feedstock for MDxx compounds as you can get 8)
So the short answer is, 5lts of helional or REAL 2-Methyl-3-(3,4-methylenedioxyphenyl)propanal Structure
2-Methyl-3-(3,4-methylenedioxyphenyl)propanal SHOULD yeild one FAR more than ONE kilo of either mdma or mda, A LOT MORE!
And why do you need so much bleach (35 liters) ? DDW doesn't answer my messages.
HE DOESN'T ANSWER ANYONES QUESTIONS bro, and then he asks ME about Sulfur trioxide :o where'd the fuck that come into anything? ???
and I've no idea what you would need 35lts of bleach for? Cleaning up after smashing everything in frustration coz it didn't work?
And I doubt he answers anyones messages Op Shulgin, becoz he cant tell you anything worthwhile,
IF you didn't/couldn't comprehend his notes, I dont think it's he's gonna be online explaining them to you ::)
It looks like I need to quote this guy Dissonance again (who IS by the way, A FULLY TRAINED "working" CHEMIST with a PhD in ORGANIC CHEMISTRY...
Quote from: d1ssonanc3 on January 09, 2013, 05:03 am
I've been meaning to post on this for a while and now is the perfect oppurtunity.
Anyone that bought those guides just got ripped off. You basically just bought one of those books you see on late night TV "How to Become an Overnight Millionaire".
First of all, everything that you find in the guide was most likely taken from the rhodium archives that are located on erowid. There is no magical synthesis that this tweaker figured out that nobody else knows about. The moment I saw a tutorial titled "Easy LSD synthesis" I pegged this guy as a hack. I actually hope he defends himself.
Second, if you have to pick up a guide called "Easy MDMA synthesis" then chances are you have little to no knowledge of Chemistry and you are going to fail miserably, or even worse hurt youself or someone else.
Playing with volatile materials isnt a game.
There is no easy way to create MDMA, it's a pretty difficult multistep synthesis that requires knowledge.
It's very possible, but only if you do your homework and just arent looking for a quick cash grab.
If the synthesis was easy ever strung out raver would be cranking out the most euphoric, racemic MDMA xtals and there would be a good music scene in the U.S. lol.
'rhodium archives' - This... Basically, if you spent $400 dollars for something you could have googled 10 years ago , you will fail.
get rich quick scheme indeed.
I hope everyone enjo00d the content of this thread, and good on you dr woody for being SO clever, and "putting me in my place" and showing clearly through your personal attacks upon myself, and not my arguments, what a ruddy fool I be, unworthy of continuing such exalted intercourse with minds obviously far far greater than mine :-[
Fare the well, and may none of your customers get too badly burnt when they blow themselves up :P
Peace love and gallium amalgum reductions to you all 8)
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The reason it takes 5kg of helional for 1kg of product is because it is actually a 2kg synthesis, I just don't advertise it that way. I have a special method of doing the last step which 50% of your yields comes out super pure with no acid/base extraction or distillation, and the other 50% is stuck in a hard to clean tar.
So you actually get twice the amount but only half is advertised because its so easy, the other half requires more steps.
Chlorox bleach is very low concentration, so you need a lot of it. Considering 5L is like 2$ its not really a big deal.
Motek: By SO3 I ment PO3, remember earlier in this thread where you kept calling me out for taking about "PO3" when I never even mentioned it? And you made like 100 posts talking about how I wont answer your questions about PO3?
You need to go re-read your posts and realize that nobody here is taking you seriously.
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Also, more than one person has come here and said that my notes check out with chemists...
NOBODY has come here and said they had problems except for grammar/spelling
Anyone who posts something positive gets written off as a "sock puppet"
Tell me who the delusional one is?
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Thanks DrDeepWood & Motek for answering my messages. So if one would slice everything in halve they would still yield around a kg, great! I assume the bleach is for cleaning everything, so 35 liters isn't that much.
Could someone tell me the dangers of the MDA synth (the combination of chemicals etc) because the MDMA synthesis guide scares the living **** out of me, all those chemicals are just crazy.
The MDA synthesis guide seems to have more 'friendly' chemicals.
Thanks, O.S.
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Shulgin, you shouldnt be scared, they all have their purpose, if you have the right set up you would be fine.
I dont think theres much difference between mda and mdma, i'm not sure, but from what i've read, its maybe a little easier to synth mda.
But i'm just a reader with no desire to actually synth anything anymore. My girlfriend saw to that... :'( Should have kept my mouth shut...anyway thats another story. :P
If i was twenty years younger, i would do an organics chem class and learn everything i would need to know.
Ron mentions that you must familiarize yourself with basic distillation and reflux techniques which is right.
So learn all the basics and take it from there. ;)
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for us psychonauts
Psychonauts is such a pretentious term.
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for us psychonauts
Psychonauts is such a pretentious term.
Coming from Gangster #1, you hypocrite :P
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Damn this thread really blew up, even more views than his official review thread.
his sales went up aswell
*cough* free guide for OP *cough*
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Haha gota love it
Thanks for starting the thread but motek is the real hero for getting me so much attention
Thanks Motek!
I will give you a free guide of your choosing motek
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Ooh free guide... :)
Motek, take the offer and let us know what its like. ;)
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Haha gota love it
Thanks for starting the thread but motek is the real hero for getting me so much attention
Thanks Motek!
I will give you a free guide of your choosing motek
OK Doc...I'll take you up on that offer of your "easy lsd synthesis" first BUT if you are out of stock due to our sales being SO successful, the "helional=>MDA synth" will do fine
Then I'll help you understand the errors of your chemistry BECOZ I WILL FINALLY ACTUALLY SEE SOME!
So far doc you've just been argumentative without actually SAYING anything except to attack me personally with petty insults..SO ...
PUT YOUR MONEY WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS! SEND ME the MDA synth at the VERY LEAST (I don't need your 'sources', just how toit is actually a 2kg synthesis,
I just don't advertise it that way.
I have a special method of doing the last step which 50% of your yields comes out super pure with no acid/base extraction or distillation, and the other 50% is stuck in a hard to clean tar. (read; you CANT get it out, it's "unrecoverable"...or show me how it's Not?)
So you actually get twice the amount but only half is advertised because its so easy, the other half requires more steps.
(free steak knives too?)
IF You ARE the "real deal" YOU WILL KEEP YOUR WORD ON THAT PROMISE .... otherwise it''s just ALL hot air!
Shoot me a pm, I'll give you my public key and we'll take it from there.
I'm sure there will be many folks interested in hearing what I think of them (and I'm not a grammar nazi, BUT there's a HUGE difference between H2O and H2SO4 :o so CORRECT data IS VERY important in chemistry as I would hope you know :-\
Waiting on seeing you KEEP YOUR WORD ronpaul
p.s. And whoever removed my last post from here before this one, it wasn't me! This WHOLE topic has/is being 'selectively edited' to trick people
" Half truths ARE, WHOLE LIES" :(
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uhhh, doc?
This wild person is foaming at the mouth with really nasty accusations towards you and your gonna pass out one of your gems so he can go post it at craigslist, and the vespiary, where ever Lugh and the rest of the cool guys are?
Just because hes got to free the knowledge or some shit?
He doesnt seem to care about your work or what you think, so I hope this doesnt go south for you.
Lol I've known that the entire time. DDW had to own him with real chem tho. It's his call on whether he sends him the guide and then has it pub'd everywhere. Course then it'd kinda be like having you're game or movie show up on the piratebay
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uhhh, doc?
This wild person is foaming at the mouth with really nasty accusations towards you and your gonna pass out one of your gems so he can go post it at craigslist, and the vespiary, where ever Lugh and the rest of the cool guys are?
Just because hes got to free the knowledge or some shit?
He doesnt seem to care about your work or what you think, so I hope this doesnt go south for you.
Lol I've known that the entire time. DDW had to own him with real chem tho. It's his call on whether he sends him the guide and then has it pub'd everywhere. Course then it'd kinda be like having you're game or movie show up on the piratebay
This is a reasonable concern for the MDA, not so much for the LSD one.
With the latter, if you don't have the source, you don't have anything and locating a particular industrial variety strain is out of the reach of many if not all buyers.
Not to mention that those who need these teks also need his consulating service that comes with the guide. And is there really a better way to boost a business than having your chemistry confirmed by the crowd but you don't give them source they need. Not to mention how that generates the buzz for the other guides.
Vesps getting on SR wanting to buy his stuff knowing LSD one is legit ? Our dear Doctor knows why he agreed to give out a guide ;)
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Would someone be interested in the shulgin index as a searchable pdf ? For like 300$ for the time it would take to properly OCR it.
random #2 is up to no good, truly, but I kinda like where this is going.
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random #2 is up to no good, truly, but I kinda like where this is going.
Que ?
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OK Doc...I'll take you up on that offer of your "easy lsd synthesis"
I'm stiiillll waiting! 8) I NEVER called you 'delusional' woody, I simply said you were (are) "talking Shit" and by now REFUSING TO HONOR an "offer" YOU MADE to motek, makes you "full of shit" where I come from,
And I'll just pop this here as well so you get the 'exposure' you SO desire ron ;D
YES It IS a copy 'n paste from my other post to your bullshit >:(
I'm with DrDeepWood on this one. If you want to argue specific points about his procedure or something that's one thing but your post is full of over-the-top hyperbole and baseless accusation. And you are the one talking about "pseudoscience". If you want to try to discuss the validity of DrDeepWood's products or credentials then you need to go about it in a professional manner which, in my opinion you have failed to do OR 'tried to'
Duuuuude! SO you've not read the "other" thread?
I HAVE "tried to" take woody to task BUT he HASN'T SAID ANY thing that either, makes 'sense' OR has any chemistry TO 'discuss'
AFTER ALL he is SELLING HIS 'NOTES' YEAH? BUT BUT BUT?????
WHY WONT WOODY HONOR HIS OFFER TO give me A GUIDE OF MY CHOICE FREE, AS HE DID ? Words ARE CHEAP woody!
I DID/HAVE ASKED and I also CLEARLY STATED I WOULD "argue the chemistry" ... the problem IS
1) ron paul HAS NOT POSTED ANYTHING "specific" about his chemistry/guides. How can I argue against NOTHING?
2) AGAIN, I AM NOT THE ONLY PERSON SAYING THIS GUY IS A FRAUD/SCAMMER (a typical "greed IS GOOD" type of person)
3) The guy HAS STATED that I "motek" HAVE INCREASED HIS SALES :o So, WHY NOW ALL the BITCHIN from you/him?
4) As far as I can READ, there ARE SEVERAL people besides myself, who clearly have Organic Chemistry knowledge WHO ARE CALLING BULLSHIT e.g. 'dissonance' for one! (although "strangely enough" that post has been deleted TWICE, and not by me!)
5) WHERE? in ANY OF YOU POSTS woody, where you ACTUALLY HAVE said ANYTHING SPECIFIC about your 'recipes?' YOU HAVENT
6) why IS IT that the are NO REPORTS of someone performing one of "your syntheses" AT ALL, let alone SUCCESSFULLY! ??? And yet "everyone" who supports you, seems to have VERY LITTLE or NO "organic chemistry" knowledge, they ADMIT THIS, and YET then go on to "defend' you :o
That's like my 3 year old 'correcting MY grammar' ... it's NOT going to happen BECOZ she cannot; she does NOT HAVE the skillz (yet)
7) For those of you who HAVE been following this 'discussion', have you noticed the 'other negative posts' seemed to have just "disappeared" ... ron paul style "POOF!" gone! I 'wonder why?' ::)
*****OK..I wasn't gonna do this, but you've asked for it, So, you want some "HARDER" chemistry 'argument/s type stuff?' *****
Here you Go ;D
So woody as you would know, ;) here are some possible feedstocks for lysergic acid/s
Ergonovine (ergobasine)
INN: ergometrine
IUPAC name: (8beta(S))#8722;9,10-didehydro-N-(2-hydroxy-1-methylethyl)#8722;6-methyl-ergoline-8-carboxamide
CAS number: 60-79-7
Methergine (ME-277)
INN: methylergometrine
IUPAC name: (8beta(S))#8722;9,10-didehydro-N-(1-(hydroxymethyl)propyl)#8722;6-methyl-ergoline-8-carboxamide
CAS number: 113-42-8
(methylergoline should work fine, just couldn't find it's IUPAC listing?)
Ergotamine
IUPAC name: Ergotaman-3',6',18-trione, 12'-hydroxy-2'-methyl-5'-(phenylmethyl)-, (5'-alpha)- (9CI)
CAS number: 113-15-5
Ergocristine
IUPAC name: Ergotaman-3',6',18-trione, 12'-hydroxy-2'-(1-methylethyl)#8722;5'-(phenylmethyl)-, (5'-alpha)-
CAS number: 511-08-0
Ergocornine
IUPAC name: Ergotaman-3',6',18-trione, 12'-hydroxy-2',5'-bis(1-methylethyl)-, (5'-alpha)-
CAS number: 564-36-3
Ergocryptine
IUPAC name:Ergotaman-3',6',18-trione, 12'-hydroxy-2'-(1-methylethyl)#8722;5'-(2-methylpropyl)-, (5'alpha)- (9CI)
CAS number: 511-09-1
Ergovaline
IUPAC name: Ergotaman-3',6',18-trione, 12'-hydroxy-2'-methyl-5'-(1-methylethyl)-, (5'alpha)-
CAS number: 2873-38-3
Another commonly encountered term is ergotoxine, which refers to a mixture of equal proportions of ergocristine, ergocornine and ergocryptine.
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However, its not elymoclavine or any clavine type ergot alkaloids. It could be D-Lysergic acid N-(α-hydroxyethyl)amide which occurs in various species of vines of the Convolvulaceae and some species of fungi.
From wiki;
D-lysergic acid α-hydroxyethylamide is unscheduled and uncontrolled in the United States, but possession and sales of it could be prosecuted under the Federal Analog Act because of its structural similarities to LSD and ergine.
The legality of this drug, and other related substances, is under scrutiny as of July 2004, due to Operation Web Tryp."
But is probably scheduled now.
Maybe's; Bromocryptine, Cabergoline, Lisuride or Pergolide. Hmmm Nah dont think so. :-\
motek's hot favorite for woody's mystery lsd precursor; iiiisssss.....
"Lysergol, is an alkaloid of the ergoline family that occurs as a minor constituent in some species of fungi (most within Claviceps), and in the morning glory family of plants (Convolvulaceae), including the hallucinogenic seeds of Rivea corymbosa (ololiuhqui), Argyreia nervosa (Hawaiian baby woodrose) and Ipomoea violacea. Lysergol is not a controlled substance in the USA. Its possession and sale is also legal under the U.S. Federal Analog Act because of it does not have a known pharmacological action or a precursor relationship to LSD, which is a controlled substance. However, lysergol can be utilized as an intermediate in the manufacture of some ergoloid medicines (e.g., nicergoline)."
From wiki.
**AND I 'forgot' to ask you how you about " amine protection"
becoz you will have to protect your amine first and then deprotect it.
What methods do you suggest here? Walter White would have trouble explaining that to your 'average target'
(For all good doctors practice (best practice SOP) which includes all types of prophylaxis, no?)
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But your still really still in the same boat, what you going to do go down to your local Sigma-Aldrich and order a sack? China maybe lol, your probably better off with a name like cafergot under your belt representing like handy smurf IMHO.
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And here's 'another' home chemists "opinion" from about 3 years ago at one of those "useless and outdated fora"
"This discussion has gone one before, but from,
hxxp://www.erowid.org/plants/hbw/hbw_info1.shtml
"Major Alkaloid Content in the seeds of A. nervosa(Burm. f.) Bojer
[snip] % of Total alkaloid % dry seed weight
Ergine 22.68 0.136
Isoergine 31.36 0.188
Ergometrine 8.20 0.049
Lys. alpha-OH-ethylamide 5.79 0.035
IsoLys. || 3.98 0.024
Taken from:
Ergoline Alkaloidal Constituents of Hawaiian Baby Wood Rose, _Argyreia
nervosa_ (Burm. f.) Bojer. Jew-Ming Chao and Ara H. Der Marderosian.
Journal of Pharmaceutical Sciences 62(4):588-91. 1973."
Extraction and isolation could be combined with a base catalyzed hydrolysis leading right to column-ing out your LSA, or if using one of the old school routes that isomerize the product anyway, use both LSA and iso-LSA and you will actually gain some to make up for the yield of not going new school.
hxxp://www.erowid.org/archive/rhodium/chemistry/lysergic.amides.html to deal with the iso, as well.
Isn't it funny that kcn wrote something that his peptide coupling procedures were not meant to be the end all be all of modern LSD manufacture but TEN YEARS ON, they still are. :o
And on of our russian friends puts its perfectly, "Fools rush in where angels fear to tread"
READ THE SECOND PARAGRAPH :o
People should read this again to let it sink in.
All I will say at this time about these precursors is that the typical method of acquisition involves cursory knowledge of biochem practices.
The impurities are measured in micrograms and the human body is more than capable of handling these impurities that are produced while using less than pure starting material for the synthesis. Intimate knowledge of moulds and fungus is a must, as well as safe handling procedures to avoid infection, poisoning or worse.
Basically, only a select few dare to take the chance and with good cause. This is why there isn't more illicit LSD available, because it is not simple or cheap and it can be incredibly dangerous to synthesize. Although there is no shortage of fraudulent LSD available containing no lysergic compounds at all.
I have always thought that those who are interested in this field of chemistry should be focussing on derivatives of tryptamine.
DMT is the most illegal drug in the world if you consider the scheduling of each country that has made it illegal and taken into account the lack of medical studies involving it versus LSD.
It provides a powerful hallucination and in only one tenth the time of LSD.
"Hallucinogens have a message, once you get the message... hang up the phone." --T. Leary
I think that pretty much covers your LSD bullshit woody, now where's my free guide you promised me (or you gonna delete this thread too?)
Much love woody, still waiting on either those btcs or the copies of your guides for me to dissect for you ;D 8)
Peace love and happy dreams
Motek, friend of the home chemist.
P.S I've been thinking of starting a thread for all you guys who'd like a hand starting on their "home chemistry" aspirations, like links to good sites where ALL this info is FREE
AS IT FUCKIN SHOULD BE!! And DO NOT think synthin you're own mdxx is a piece of piss and you'll be making kilos of the stuff...you'd be LUCKY to pull off a 50gm synth of 70-80% purity with good lab skills AND lab reagent grade precursors.
Maybe you could help me understand how you can scale up to a kg yeild (of what? 5% molly reaction mix) from "how much helional" what maybe 5+KILOS using your room temp halosafrole methods :-\
Dunno....I'm pretty dumb, that's why you must have decided against wasting your fabulous 'tips and tricks found nowhere else!" guide YOU OFFERED ME FOR FREE, AND LOTS OF MEMBERS ARE WAITING TO SEE WHAT YOU WILL DO?
I was told of this thread by ome of your disgruntled customers, to come back and fight the good fight against a charlatan >:(
Good luck woody, like I stated elsewhere, "GIVING, let alone "SELLING" poorly written chemistry notes to people with virtually NO chemistry knowledge (or they wouldnb't be looking to you for it!) IS BAD KARMA, and not only dangerous for the 'cook' but ALSO anyone around when their house blows up (as they do on a daily basis, ask ANY major city Fire Department)
Do you think they wear the 'containment suits' coz it's all enviromentally friendly?
Much love, woody, motek :-*
P.S. You are just ripping people off with a poorly written guide (that would be laughed off the sites I've mentioned)
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Motek....I'm pretty sure some where in there you said this "Isn't it funny that kcn wrote something that his peptide coupling procedures were not meant to be the end all be all of modern LSD manufacture but TEN YEARS ON, they still are. :o
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Now if i remember correctly, for about 3 pages you were saying peptide coupling didn't exist. Either we're now in some bizarro world where hitler is a good guy riding around on his tamed T-Rex helping mankind, or you just conceded a point to DDW
However, if you do finally start that guide thread i have literally been begging you to start, the karma upvotes will roll in. Would be happy to see you finally back up your stuff in full.
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Could someone please start this thread over and keep the BS bickering out and just keep to the subject of synths, guides, Dr. Deepwood, and success. The thread should be a quick reference to the title of it and not some huge argument that can't be sorted out.
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"Motek, I honestly think you are trying to provide the SR community with good information and for that I commend you. I would caution you against coming across as arrogant or immature, because it will obviously not help your credibility and it also goes against the basic tenet of respect for others. No doubt, you possess a great deal of information and knowledge, however I think you are continually ignoring the initial fact that I tried to explain to you. Not everyone thinks the way you do and not everyone is going to perceive the value the same way.
Though I do not doubt that the guide is excellent, especially with Limet vouching for DDW, I maintain that there is certainly tremendous value in rapport and consulting. Undoubtedly, that will be available on forums and a great deal of the info (if not all) is of course available online. People that buy the guide will undoubtedly know that, I think. I find the value to be of little significance to a well funded professional looking to gain an extra edge with consulting, sources, etc and I personally consider there to be tremendous surplus value. Another point you continually badger on is that no one has came forth and said they did a synthesis. While that is indeed sparse, conversely, I am not aware of hordes of dissatisfied customers either. Very few, if any, to my knowledge. I also don't think that buying this guide will trigger a rush to the lab...in fact, I would not be surprised if people bought it as a more long term investment or perhaps in conjunction with other education, which of course is important.
Last but not least, if the guide is garbage and people buy it, oh well. People sell heroin here too. Not that the logic is exactly the same but ultimately, it falls upon us as buyers to decide what is of value and what is not. Miscalculating the true value of something (or not caring) is a huge part of business. If the guide is indeed crap, I applaud DDW for making it this far and being able to fool so many people.
Anyways, cheers.......these are just a few of my thoughts having followed this thread from the start.
I should also note that I am probably a little biased and do in fact think that DDW is an OG and basically the W.W. of SR. I find his posts informative, concise, and interesting. There is no doubt that I have learned lessons from him, even though I will likely never attempt any sort of chemistry."
Thank you for this reply, and in most areas I agree, at least in part, with what you say. I dont care that someone sells this data, I CARE about the 'dangers' NOT explained with these procedures
"Now if i remember correctly, for about 3 pages you were saying peptide coupling didn't exist."
No, you dont 'remember correctly' ... I (basically) 'said' "LSD synthesis via peptide coupling, OR most other methods are WAY BEYOND the capabilities of the 'average punter' with NO formal chemistry knowledge and/or lab skills"
I then went on to "ask what" this "PO3" stuff he was mentioning IS (coz there's NO such thing, in organic chemistry!) And there's NO ROOM FOR ERRORS when using some of the chemicals required to make LSD ... the mdma/mda stuff is LEVELS of MAGNITUDE "easier" ...
Just read some 'early 90's ' Uncle Fester's SOMM (Secrets of Methamphetamine Manufacture Vol 1 or 2) which were written when you still COULD go to Sigma- Aldritch or one of MANY chem suppliers who would sell you whatever you wanted ... NOT anymore!
There's a saying "a fool can ask more questions in a minute, than a wise man can answer in a lifetime" ... You 'fools' know who you are!
But then, when all he did was go on a "personal attack" against motek ... that's when I decided to 'have some fun' by aasking him some REAL questions. (not trolling, there was no need, he had already shot himself in the foot!)
Anyway I'm well over this, and IF any of you want to go spend money with woody, good luck to you, you WILL NEED IT!
I certainly didn't expect this to go as far as it has, but, here we are!
What REALLY 'got my goat' was the FACT that this IS a DANGEROUS pastime, people GET BADLY HURT "cooking with chemicals" at home.
And yet this dude makes it sound like it's AS EASY AS baking a cake! Except that this 'cake' can get you 20+ YEARS in prison, .... not even getting busted selling large amounts of drugs wont get you that! I was just trying to put some 'balance' into the equation.
EVEN THE BEST FUCK UP!
And there are many more who will attest to being just plain "lucky" at the time the 'fuckup' occurred' ... a VERY respected OLD bee a few years back burnt himself VERY badly due to a simple error ... LUCKY he got himself to hospital and no "emergency services" came to his house. (and that his insurance covered the $30k plus medical bills)
IF they HAD!...well, I wouldn't know the story BECOZ he WOULD HAVE GOT BADLY BUSTED, and would still have another 5-20YEARS to go before he could access another 'hive'
As I HAVE said several times, "let the buyer beware" I am no ones 'nanny' BUT I do tend to 'care about' my fellow humans wellbeing.
SO to all of you who thinks it's "worth it" to pay this guy money to make 'tar' ... Go ahead. Just dont say you weren't forewarned of the potential for failure.
JUST BECOZ 2 people say it/write it down, DOESN'T make it TRUE!
I apologise if I offended ANYONE,, other than those who asked for it, by personally attacking another forum member (motek) BECOZ they 'didn't agree' and bend over for woody!
Take care with the glassware y'all!
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motek: I would never give you a free guide, I was being sarcastic. You are totally delusional, what makes you think I would ever give a free guide to someone whos stated that A) they would never accept one B) has made outright lies in an attempt to lower my credibility and C) someone who would abandon logic and make himself look like an autistic 12 year old with an internet connection just to attempt to discredit me.
You are accusing me of deleting negative commends? You LITERALLY think that there is a huge conspiracy to hide negative reviews of me? How about the more simple alternative, there are very few people who purchased that have negative things to say. You act like dissonance has your back against me, he apologized and changed his stance after talking with me on this thread!
Looks like you did some googling and made a list of ergoloids, what exactly are you trying to prove?
Yes, some of those compounds can be broken down to lysergic acid used for LSD synthesis but almost none of them are available commercially and many of them are 100% unrealistic to use.
Most of those compounds are very very expensive and the ones available commercially in pill form contain doses around 1mg per pill, AKA 1000 pills per gram, before the weight loss of hydrolysis!
You are much better off using my method and producing 1 gram for every liter of fermentation broth.
your list of ergoloids means nothing! a few of them are even totally useless!
So your favorite ergoloid for LSD production is LYSERGOL?
You really don't know anything about organic chemisty except for how to copy and paste fancy looking names from the internet.
LYSERGOL is next to impossible to utilize! Lysergol requires a selective oxidation to convert the alcohol into a carboxylic acid. Do you know how hard it is to find an oxidation agent that will leave the rest of that fragile molecule alone and only oxidize the alcohol group? You realize that this was only recently accomplished in very low yields in a professional lab right? It was done as a proof of concept and would never be practical in any other way. TOTAL GARBAGE. Only looks good to someone that has never done any synthesis before in their life.
" **AND I 'forgot' to ask you how you about " amine protection"
becoz you will have to protect your amine first and then deprotect it. "
Oh really? thats funny because Im pretty sure that lysergic acid does not have any reactive amines in this sense, just a tertiary and secondary amine in a ring. They don't need protection at all using peptide coupling. This is basic stuff motek, you are really showing your ignorance off here.
You are failing at even copying and pasting information! We should talk chemistry more often!
idiot.
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As you told me Mr. Deepwood...it is useless arguing with him. Just stop. He's talking about MDMA synthesis being "magnitudes higher in difficulty" than LSD synthesis....once again giving his ignorance more weight. He loves searching google and wikipedia to attempt to discredit us chemists. I suppose it is only entertaining to the chemists, the rest don't understand the ridiculousness of it. Writing out the long name of PyBOP, referencing any chemical with cas # that is remotely close to ergotamine, even though almost all of these are absurd when talking practical LSD synth, especially with a claviceps source for so cheap. Anyway, here I go again feeding the troll. Give it a break MOTEK!. You are wrong and you obviously have a major issue with being wrong. Suck it up and be a man. Get over yourself dude.
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Lol motek is still on with the PO3(the non-existent chemical that was never mentioned ever)
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LOL it's like Motek just wants DDW to post his entire synth process and reasoning behind the process to the public. It defeats the whole purpose of keeping it secret and selling the information to those willing to buy.
It's SR so *Buyer Beware*. If his synth were really bad then there'd be more than one user on here berating DDW... but there's not. I am slightly confused that people who have performed it successfully have not spoken up but maybe they're trying to lay low since being the source / chemist of MDMA makes you a huge target for LE.
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LOL it's like Motek just wants DDW to post his entire synth process and reasoning behind the process to the public. It defeats the whole purpose of keeping it secret and selling the information to those willing to buy.
It's SR so *Buyer Beware*. If his synth were really bad then there'd be more than one user on here berating DDW... but there's not. I am slightly confused that people who have performed it successfully have not spoken up but maybe they're trying to lay low since being the source / chemist of MDMA makes you a huge target for LE.
You didn't realize he's being retardo on purpose? Seriously when DDW had to bust out chem facts for a whole page i caught on to motek's strategy here. He's fantastic at baiting, he should probably be a news anchor
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you should learn to READ 'deemtea' ::)
And there's NO ROOM FOR ERRORS when using some of the chemicals required to make LSD ... the mdma/mda stuff is LEVELS of MAGNITUDE "easier" ...
Go on, off you go and get ergot poisoning, see if I care :)
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you should learn to READ 'deemtea' ::)
And there's NO ROOM FOR ERRORS when using some of the chemicals required to make LSD ... the mdma/mda stuff is LEVELS of MAGNITUDE "easier" ...
Go on, off you go and get ergot poisoning, see if I care :)
How hard do you think it is to invest in a 50-100 dollar gas mask and some gloves bro?
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How hard do you think it is to invest in a 50-100 dollar gas mask and some gloves bro?
lol, yeah righteo! Masks like the kind they use with biohazard suits? You can prolly pick em up real cheap at Costco yo? :-\
You do that...and STILL get poisoned, and then keep on wondering why? (as you start to get gangrene, and they start amputating your fingers and toes) "what did (or didn't) I do right/wrong
It's clearly stated in one of my posts WHY this is FAR FAR more difficult AND dangerous than woody makes out!
In fact, you should ask your hero woody about what 'safety precautions' are NEEDED?
I feel like WW talking to jesse Yo! :o
Go hard woody, I'm done here, after all,
the best thing about banging your head against the wall, is stopping :o
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I have access to all the OSHA certified PPE you could want. Need anything specific for a good price let me know.
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How hard do you think it is to invest in a 50-100 dollar gas mask and some gloves bro?
lol, yeah righteo! Masks like the kind they use with biohazard suits? You can prolly pick em up real cheap at Costco yo? :-\
You do that...and STILL get poisoned, and then keep on wondering why? (as you start to get gangrene, and they start amputating your fingers and toes) "what did (or didn't) I do right/wrong
It's clearly stated in one of my posts WHY this is FAR FAR more difficult AND dangerous than woody makes out!
In fact, you should ask your hero woody about what 'safety precautions' are NEEDED?
I feel like WW talking to jesse Yo! :o
Go hard woody, I'm done here, after all,
the best thing about banging your head against the wall, is stopping :o
Oh do you mean like this?
*clearnet!*
http://approvedgasmasks.com/protective-clothes.htm
Btw motek that was literally the FIRST result on google when i searched: *Biohazard suits cheap* You know what's REALLY ironic about you motek? You have said you were leaving and quitting the thread about 10 times now. Either leave quietly or stop lying and post.
motek i'm sorry, but you are fucking retarded
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you should learn to READ 'deemtea' ::)
And there's NO ROOM FOR ERRORS when using some of the chemicals required to make LSD ... the mdma/mda stuff is LEVELS of MAGNITUDE "easier" ...
Go on, off you go and get ergot poisoning, see if I care :)
Motek, once again you have no idea what you are talking about. Go do some research...
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Here's what people want to see; Yes or No
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Yes
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Fucking YES shit
9 pages of people defending DDW, and he needs a firm YES? LOL
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I don't think anyone is going to learn how to synth LSD from a guide they bought on the internet. I know people who have synthed LSD. In general, successful LSD chemists tend to either have a Ph.D or at least a masters degree in chemistry. Some successful LSD chemists do not have so much formal chemistry knowledge, but they still have significant chemistry knowledge and have observed people cooking LSD in an apprentice type position. And the LSD the second group of people makes tends to end up being brown and tarry instead of white and fluffy. Plus you need to have access to a highly controlled laboratory environment as well as access to many highly watched and dangerous chemicals. Anyone who is selling a guide to be an LSD cook overnight is most certainly being dishonest.
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Yes kewm I remember you went and spent like 50k on a nasty fucking brown gel gram.
And you loved it if I recall.
And to anyone wanting to buy the DDW LSD guide.
I can assure you explains how to get white fluff.
Using a certain product, it couldnt be any simpler.
A child could do it.
Any skilled chemist would do the same thing.
And DDW brings all the insider secrets.
To those of you who can see this is PURE GOLD.
And Im glad thats few of you. ;)
Honestly it kind of astounds me that people are intentionally keeping themselves ignorant, instead of guessing, just buy the guide and then shooting it down point by point. It's like these guys want the knowledge only in the hands of a few people......
I mean to all these people claiming their own clandestine chemist knowledge and skills and you are really that much of a badass drug chemist you'd THINK they'd have 600$ laying around. All of them scream troll to me, Professional chemists unwilling to buy it to actually discredit him, taking potshots from the sidelines. PATHETIC
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Good luck with your 'LSD synthesis for dummies' venture. I never claimed to be a skilled chemist, I am not. I claimed to know people who are pretty bright chemists who have made LSD , which I do. None of them followed instructions from a tutorial they bought off the internet.
Moon Unit, am I mistaken or are you that annoying teenage troll? Aren't you like 16 years old? Do you really think you are qualified to say that you can assure the synthesis instructions provided can get people without independent chemistry knowledge producing white fluff?
Anyway I take it back, maybe he is legit, I have no fucking idea. But it seems to me that people buying a tutorial for how to make LSD, have very likely not got the skills or connections required to successfully make LSD. If it was really so simple to make high grade LSD that a child could do it, then it would be as commonly produced as meth. There is a reason that there are usually no more than a dozen or so LSD chemists active at a time in the entire fucking world.
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Good luck with your 'LSD synthesis for dummies' venture. I never claimed to be a skilled chemist, I am not. I claimed to know people who are pretty bright chemists who have made LSD , which I do. None of them followed instructions from a tutorial they bought off the internet.
Moon Unit, am I mistaken or are you that annoying teenage troll? Aren't you like 16 years old? Do you really think you are qualified to say that you can assure the synthesis instructions provided can get people without independent chemistry knowledge producing white fluff?
Anyway I take it back, maybe he is legit, I have no fucking idea. But it seems to me that people buying a tutorial for how to make LSD, have very likely not got the skills or connections required to successfully make LSD. If it was really so simple to make high grade LSD that a child could do it, then it would be as commonly produced as meth. There is a reason that there are usually no more than a dozen or so LSD chemists active at a time in the entire fucking world.
To me that is simply because of people with the knowledge monetizing it, after all it is a highly sought after recipe and formula. Also there is government suppression, this is a heavy psychedelic substance we're talking here. Not only does the Govt. spread misinformation, they issue takedown requests to real info. I don't find it hard to believe he found an easier synthesis than everyone else uses or claims is the simplest, because there have been shown to be like 15 different ways to acheive mdma synthesis through different methods. Sure the yields varied and so did the quality, but they produced the same chemical in the end with completely different precursors or extraction methods.
My point is, simply because you don't know of the method doesn't mean it doesn't exist. If you want to know beyond a doubt and you have chem knowledge FFS BUY THE GUIDE(to everyone else. I know you admit you have no chem knowledge kmf)
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dbz4u, I have read whole thread, you really, really should stop posting.
On topic...
Still can not make sense who is right, because here are few people who know what they are talking about. Both sides have pretty good arguments.
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Its just science boiled down to practical construction.
I guess they are LSD for Dummies, dont care what you call it, it doesnt change the fact that it is real science.
Anyway for people who know what to look for, you should collect all the guides while you can.
Super duper mega understatement.
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Kewm, yes Im a troll?
Anyway the reason that theres not that much LSD producers is because in the past they all had to rely on some form of ergotamine.
Only really connected peeple could get that in the past unless you knew some one near to the places they were making it.
I dont see why you dont do more study before you run your mouth kewm, like you do on the tech stuff.
If you cracked enough books and patents on LSD if would make sense to you.
The guides are only scientific papers and methods adapted to a home type lab.
.Its just science boiled down to practical construction.
I guess they are LSD for Dummies, dont care what you call it, it doesnt change the fact that it is real science.
Anyway for people who know what to look for, you should collect all the guides while you can.
Super duper mega understatement.
Sounds like you'll be selling more than free base and weed the future then MoonUnit?
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Well, its been a very interesting read so far:-) I just got here, read all 15 pages tonight.
DDW is a trippy cat for sure. I love the overall idea..but it does scream ripoff. Although he also stands up to all his detractors.
The one thing that perplexed me though...is the fact we are all criminals anyways. I'm surprised nobody has ever simply outed his guides. Shared it for all to see.
***edit***
I would like to retract my statement suggesting somebody should post a link or share the guide. DDW does have nothing but happy customers, and at the end of the day, it wouldn't be fair to hurt the brand of a vendor who was doing a good service.
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Well, its been a very interesting read so far:-) I just got here, read all 15 pages tonight.
...I love the overall idea..but it does scream ripoff....
...I'm surprised nobody has ever simply outed his guides. Shared it for all to see....
...at the end of the day, it wouldn't be fair to hurt the brand of a vendor who was doing a good service.
If it screams ripoff I wouldnt really say thats a good service. jus sayin
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Well Its a paradox:
Anyone who gets my guides and notices its not a ripoff wouldn't post them publicly
If my guides were a ripoff then there would be nothing to post
Its ocolms razor:
Is it simpler to believe that over 100 people were scammed and somehow I have been guessing the correct answers to advanced chemistry questions on the forum and nobody has bothered to out me as a scammer
OR
Is the more simple solution that I know what im talking about and have 100 happy customers who don't necessarily want to come to the forums and brag about their synthesis
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A lot of people have probably bought the guides and haven't understood the work involved so they will be struggling to get it up and running. They're not baking cakes, even a simple MDMA synthesis is pain in the arse and a huge investment in time, equipment and chemicals. I've had my beady eye on the MDA guide because there is exactly 0 people selling it near me and there's a massive hole just waiting to be filled but I'm also not naive enough to think I can buy the guide and just start churning out quality MDA in a few days. It's a big fucking job that needs to be done properly. Surely if anyone had purchased a guide and failed miserably despite following the instructions they'd be on the forums making sure everyone knew that the guides are a scam because those guides ain't cheap and I for one would go ape-shit if it was a load of crap.
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"Baking cakes with a gas mask on..." I wish it was that simple : )
I've never seen a DDW guide so I can't comment on how hard or expensive it is to get the chemicals or equipment but the synths I have planned have all been quite expensive and there is always two or three ingredients that are a fucking nightmare to source. My country isn't big on letting plebs and the general public have access highly toxic chemicals for some reason. Fucking pussies : )
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Ron paul is a fucking joke he's no chemist i asked if he would be able synthesise desomorphine then he started blabbing something about krokodil... just shows how educated he is hahaha..
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Surely if anyone had purchased a guide and failed miserably despite following the instructions they'd be on the forums making sure everyone knew that the guides are a scam because those guides ain't cheap and I for one would go ape-shit if it was a load of crap.
I think there is some truth to this. And it seems some of the naysayers on here don't exactly have the highest karma...
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Ron paul is a fucking joke he's no chemist i asked if he would be able synthesise desomorphine then he started blabbing something about krokodil... just shows how educated he is hahaha..
'Krokodil' is the name given to poorly synthesized desomorphine. It is called 'krokodil' because the impurities left over from the poor synth rot the skin giving it a scaly appearance and in extreme cases it can cause severe necrosis requiring amputation of limbs. Vice did a whole documentary about it.
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Honestly, for 700 bucks, I would have expected a very well organized piece of literature formatted as a scientific journal with specific processes and procedures. This is the exact opposite of that. It's very unclear. You're better off following the standard O2 Wacker --> Al/Hg Amination.
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Thats a harsh reply from you MU. :o
He's another vendor like you, and he was simply adding his opinion..
So lets clear this up, Moon Unit, are you currently in possession of one of DDW's guides?
United Anabolics, have you seen this guide?
Theres drug addicts, and people who not only like and appreciate drugs, but those who want to learn the creation and proper synth techniques to create those drugs from fascination and the love, not driven by money and profits.
I find the SR PM system fine and quite fast, and i live in australia with a very slow and pedestrian internet compared to the USA and the EU.
And i've never been tempted to throw my laptop out of a window because i am not a drug addict.
A drug addict would have pawned the laptop already...
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So you have most of the guides and only sell freebase and DMT?
You could be killing the market with MDA, etc?
As much as I hate to keep posting in here or to even acknowledge your question.... ??? ??? ???Thats really nice of you, thank you very much...
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By a large margin the LSD synth info is the most valuable. THE good claviceps strain/info on submerged culture/production of your own main precursor is revolutionary. I wish I could see the info for free. I would still happily pay for the claviceps source. The price is just far out of my budget.
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Yes I hate to acknowledge your question, are you a little girl?
You think I sell cocaine freebase, for example of the above.
Of course I could be doing all kind of things but its a lot less likely some people cough cough outthere will get caught in a medical situation on DMT as opposed to MDA.
If you need someone to kill the market with MDA, then buy the guide, you can do it just as easy as anyone else with Docs help.
No i'm not a little girl, again why are you being so rude? Actually i've had enough of this thread....over it.
You had a go at Motek for being rude, but i've asked straight forward questions.
I dont believe what you say, who orders over a grand on guides just for the reading enjoyment.
If anyone has acted like a little girl...its you.
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So we had a lot of people on here comment on how great the guide seemed or how well DDW replied to questions.
But the important question is: IS THE MDMA/LSD SYNTHESIS WORKING WELL?
Question still remains.
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hi im from canadiandrugs,i have been working with Ron Paul for over as month, he sells a guide to change morphine into super heroin. i believe in his methods so much that i give his customers a substantial discount on my products which is the main ingredient in the synthesis. he is a professional, you have to remember anybody can print off a guide , but Ron gives you his knowledge and guidance to help you.
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o rly
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i'm on docs side in this whole thing but i'd be really suprised if Aurelius Venport wasn't DDW's alternate account
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This thread is quite funny.
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zomg LIMETLESS
A RANDO NOOB SAID U WENT.......ROGUE
HOW DAR U SHOW YUR FACE
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zomg LIMETLESS
A RANDO NOOB SAID U WENT.......ROGUE
HOW DAR U SHOW YUR FACE
Lol because RANDO NOOBS get stepped on.
Besides I haven't "gone rouge" lol, I just had some tech issues and then people shit themselves because they love the drama. Such is SR.
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zomg LIMETLESS
A RANDO NOOB SAID U WENT.......ROGUE
HOW DAR U SHOW YUR FACE
Lol because RANDO NOOBS get stepped on.
Besides I haven't "gone rouge" lol, I just had some tech issues and then people shit themselves because they love the drama. Such is SR.
i thot u got some ppl to FE 4 armored cars FTW and bounced lik a boss
didn't seem very rational.
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zomg LIMETLESS
A RANDO NOOB SAID U WENT.......ROGUE
HOW DAR U SHOW YUR FACE
Lol because RANDO NOOBS get stepped on.
Besides I haven't "gone rouge" lol, I just had some tech issues and then people shit themselves because they love the drama. Such is SR.
i thot u got some ppl to FE 4 armored cars FTW and bounced lik a boss
didn't seem very rational.
No lol, I my TC container just fucked and then my net connection went. All the shit happens at once yano. :-\
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I bought the anhydrites guide. I've been posting like mad to get to 50 so I could comment on this business.
I believe in what DDW is doing and I wish the naysayers would just compile their own info and COMPETE with him instead of spending all this time trying to smear him.
Here's why: I see where people are coming from when they say this info should be free, but some people (like me) don't have the time to browse deep sites and forums for hours on end to get our info and we're happy to pay a nerd to track it down for us. (no offense intended to the nerds, I love you, you run the world - as you should).
That was my attitude when I bought this guide. I have a B.S. chemistry and I did very well in organic. Loved it, understood it, and forgot about it as soon as I got an A and started making mad money selling weed. I'm no idiot and I did not feel the NEED to buy this guide (I figured I could find the info myself) only the DESIRE ($809 is worth NOT having eyestrain to me).
I am about to start the first step in making "super H" tomorrow. I've actually half way started it. I will keep you all posted on how it works or doesn't work. And on the quality and yield I get. Along with the sellability. I feel that profitability has to be a large part of drug manufacture. A loss in profitability means a reduction in quality and ultimate discomfort for the end user. In order to keep drugs pure and awesome, they have to be profitable. Otherwise the temptation to "shit on" the end user is too great for the pushers.
Now, I have to say that DDW has answered all of my questions (except one that is pending - but I'm sure he'll answer it in the next few hrs). Unfortunately, I don't process information the same way he does and I am a bit of a stickler for grammar and punctuation (he is not), so I occasionally become confused by his answers to my questions and end up having to re-ask them. So far this has not been anything more than a slight time suck. And honestly, if SR wasn't so slow, it wouldn't be a problem at all.
I have to be honest and say that I would have liked to see a recipe - pictures, diagrams, or at least links to pictures and diagrams. For example, how do you set up your glassware for ________? for DDW it would be a simple google images search and a copy and pasting of the link to include in the guide. For me, it is a couple hours of referencing old lab guides and trying to remember shit from 15+ years ago. Figuring out what glassware to buy or what purity of acetone or what brand of hotplate or how to set up a sandbath are all questions that require research for me (or at least a good racking of my memory) - whereas for DDW they can be easily explained. So for a small amount of constructive critism to DDW: I love you, but I believe I speak for all your customers when I say: please provide a tad more "layman" information with some useful links and diagrams and such.
That being said, I'm not afraid to ask questions and I have thus far had all my questions answered. I am simply saying that if I had the ability to choose, I would prefer being provided more info up front so that I don't have to rely on my ability to access slow-ass SR to get questions answered.
Understand that this is not me complaining. DDW is still the ONLY person providing this service and I have to say that while I have been waiting for my equipment and precursors to show up, I have very carefully checked up on the procedure I'm about to do. I don't have any reason to believe that I won't be coming back tomorrow to post rave reviews about my super H. (oh, and I'm going to try that OTC stuff too just for kicks)
Hopefully I'll be talking to you guys tomorrow. Ta
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Hi DDW
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sorry about my spelling: *Anhydrides*
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Not to sound like an ass but what is 'super heroin' meant to be? It's either heroin or it's not.
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Not to sound like an ass but what is 'super heroin' meant to be? It's either heroin or it's not.
I guess just a fancy name for extracting morphine pills and boiling the morph in acetic anhydride lolz.
Also, I find it funny that he mentions the LSD synthesis easy, I am curious if he mentions radioactive suite, UV fragible, micrograms active, inert atmosphere, nasty reagents.
Not to mention getting ergometrine or stuff like that, honestly DDP, if it was that easy, every hillbilly would be "cookin" some acid up.
Same with the MDMA, starting from safrole, long ass fucking way to go.
Free and best guide to the noob chemist: BrightSide First time MDMA synthesis on erowid.
Clandestine chemistry consultant my ass, more like rip off to a unknowledgable person.
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Also, I find it funny that he mentions the LSD synthesis easy, I am curious if he mentions radioactive suite, UV fragible, micrograms active, inert atmosphere, nasty reagents.
Not to mention getting ergometrine or stuff like that, honestly DDP, if it was that easy, every hillbilly would be "cookin" some acid up.
Not to be picky but there are actually other routes where you don't need all those things, just some.
Having read one of DDP's guides (well I say read, I handed it to my chemist) the MDMA one is legit if a tad rough around the edges. I think the problem is that really, if we're being real, hardly anyone has the real resources to use the guides as intended. I think part of the problem is that people get into their head "Oh yeah I'm gunna make me some Mandy or some Cid" but don't realise that it's not just like baking a cake. I'm not a chemist and don't pretend to be, I just pick up snippets of facts along my travels but I think the problem is people don't get that it takes years to do what DeepWood says in the guides.
Anyway yeah, just thought I'd comment.
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I guess just a fancy name for extracting morphine pills and boiling the morph in acetic anhydride lolz.
Also, I find it funny that he mentions the LSD synthesis easy, I am curious if he mentions radioactive suite, UV fragible, micrograms active, inert atmosphere, nasty reagents.
Not to mention getting ergometrine or stuff like that, honestly DDP, if it was that easy, every hillbilly would be "cookin" some acid up.
Same with the MDMA, starting from safrole, long ass fucking way to go.
Free and best guide to the noob chemist: BrightSide First time MDMA synthesis on erowid.
AMEN! 8)
btw it's BrightStar's method, but Erowid is a little dated, but it's a great place to start
It to motek OVER 3 YEARS to acquire the data AND chemicals to complete an MDx synth
I happened to be at some of those fora I speak about the other day, and I copied some senior members replies to some noob asking "duh, where are the MDA synths, have you got a good one? Point me at it" type shit.
Alas I dont have it handy right now, but I will post it, fuck me I cannot believe some of the ABSOLUTE BULLSHIT spouted by some on this thread
"Super herion" LMAO!!! 110% PURE! Fuck me! ::)
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Also, I find it funny that he mentions the LSD synthesis easy, I am curious if he mentions radioactive suite, UV fragible, micrograms active, inert atmosphere, nasty reagents.
Not to mention getting ergometrine or stuff like that, honestly DDP, if it was that easy, every hillbilly would be "cookin" some acid up.
Not to be picky but there are actually other routes where you don't need all those things, just some.
Having read one of DDP's guides (well I say read, I handed it to my chemist) the MDMA one is legit if a tad rough around the edges. I think the problem is that really, if we're being real, hardly anyone has the real resources to use the guides as intended. I think part of the problem is that people get into their head "Oh yeah I'm gunna make me some Mandy or some Cid" but don't realise that it's not just like baking a cake. I'm not a chemist and don't pretend to be, I just pick up snippets of facts along my travels but I think the problem is people don't get that it takes years to do what DeepWood says in the guides.
Anyway yeah, just thought I'd comment.
Good luck picking up some LSD tartate crystals with your bare hands, o well, lets say, handling it at all without wearing a tyvek suit, taped gloves, full face mask taped with the tyvek, and not to forget purifying the product and getting sigma quality precursors.
I'm just pointing out, most of the stuff he sells is available online for free, and a bit sketchy he doesn't sell any of those products himself.
It's not the difficulty of the MDMA synthesis, it's the fact you know what the fuck you're doing before starting to distill some safrole out of the essential oils, honestly, if people don't know what they are doing it is quite dangerous, especially while handling things like mercury salts, sodium azide, LiAlH4.. I don't know what methods he uses in his guides, but I guess he would brew his Methylamine.HCl himself atleast, without some decent protection and working with formaldehyde say hi to mr. cancer in 10 years, yeah sure, who's gonna blame him for that then!
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Also, I find it funny that he mentions the LSD synthesis easy, I am curious if he mentions radioactive suite, UV fragible, micrograms active, inert atmosphere, nasty reagents.
Not to mention getting ergometrine or stuff like that, honestly DDP, if it was that easy, every hillbilly would be "cookin" some acid up.
Not to be picky but there are actually other routes where you don't need all those things, just some.
Having read one of DDP's guides (well I say read, I handed it to my chemist) the MDMA one is legit if a tad rough around the edges. I think the problem is that really, if we're being real, hardly anyone has the real resources to use the guides as intended. I think part of the problem is that people get into their head "Oh yeah I'm gunna make me some Mandy or some Cid" but don't realise that it's not just like baking a cake. I'm not a chemist and don't pretend to be, I just pick up snippets of facts along my travels but I think the problem is people don't get that it takes years to do what DeepWood says in the guides.
Anyway yeah, just thought I'd comment.
Good luck picking up some LSD tartate crystals with your bare hands, o well, lets say, handling it at all without wearing a tyvek suit, taped gloves, full face mask taped with the tyvek, and not to forget purifying the product and getting sigma quality precursors.
I'm just pointing out, most of the stuff he sells is available online for free, and a bit sketchy he doesn't sell any of those products himself.
It's not the difficulty of the MDMA synthesis, it's the fact you know what the fuck you're doing before starting to distill some safrole out of the essential oils, honestly, if people don't know what they are doing it is quite dangerous, especially while handling things like mercury salts, sodium azide, LiAlH4.. I don't know what methods he uses in his guides, but I guess he would brew his Methylamine.HCl himself atleast, without some decent protection and working with formaldehyde say hi to mr. cancer in 10 years, yeah sure, who's gonna blame him for that then!
Yeah I see your point but at the end if people wana buy the info that's their choice isn't it. Don't you think it's the person buying it's responsibility to research what they are doing before giving it a go?
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Also, I find it funny that he mentions the LSD synthesis easy, I am curious if he mentions radioactive suite, UV fragible, micrograms active, inert atmosphere, nasty reagents.
Not to mention getting ergometrine or stuff like that, honestly DDP, if it was that easy, every hillbilly would be "cookin" some acid up.
Not to be picky but there are actually other routes where you don't need all those things, just some.
Having read one of DDP's guides (well I say read, I handed it to my chemist) the MDMA one is legit if a tad rough around the edges. I think the problem is that really, if we're being real, hardly anyone has the real resources to use the guides as intended. I think part of the problem is that people get into their head "Oh yeah I'm gunna make me some Mandy or some Cid" but don't realise that it's not just like baking a cake. I'm not a chemist and don't pretend to be, I just pick up snippets of facts along my travels but I think the problem is people don't get that it takes years to do what DeepWood says in the guides.
Anyway yeah, just thought I'd comment.
Good luck picking up some LSD tartate crystals with your bare hands, o well, lets say, handling it at all without wearing a tyvek suit, taped gloves, full face mask taped with the tyvek, and not to forget purifying the product and getting sigma quality precursors.
I'm just pointing out, most of the stuff he sells is available online for free, and a bit sketchy he doesn't sell any of those products himself.
It's not the difficulty of the MDMA synthesis, it's the fact you know what the fuck you're doing before starting to distill some safrole out of the essential oils, honestly, if people don't know what they are doing it is quite dangerous, especially while handling things like mercury salts, sodium azide, LiAlH4.. I don't know what methods he uses in his guides, but I guess he would brew his Methylamine.HCl himself atleast, without some decent protection and working with formaldehyde say hi to mr. cancer in 10 years, yeah sure, who's gonna blame him for that then!
Yeah I see your point but at the end if people wana buy the info that's their choice isn't it. Don't you think it's the person buying it's responsibility to research what they are doing before giving it a go?
Maybe yes, maybe not.. If a mentally demented kid buys his guide, gives it a go. Ends up with a child 15 years later with 4 arms 1 eye 5 eyebrows and 1 leg on his neck.. Really, I mean if he is such a great clandestine chemist he should warn people atleast in his listing already that they are handling carciogenic, toxic, dangerous and not to mention often illegal compounds, that's the least.. right? atleast for that price..
I honestly have no respect towards people that are self-proclaimed veteran chemists, if he really was, what would he still be doing on here.. Retired chemists are often so loaded with money they don't have to worry about anything anymore, why would they post stupid recipes on a online marketplace for a ridiculous price?
Just my 2 bits...
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ruth: I noticed you offered free consulting in your signature, if you are really trying to do good for the community I will advertise it on all my pages.
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ruth: I noticed you offered free consulting in your signature, if you are really trying to do good for the community I will advertise it on all my pages.
Sure, want another secret revealed?
25C-NBOMe is a short name for 2-(4-chloro-2,5-dimethoxy- phenyl)-N-[(2-methoxyphenyl)methyl]ethanamine. Alternative abbreviations used for this substance include 2C-C-NBOMe and NBOMe-2C-C, while its street names are C-Boom, Cimbi-82, Pandora and Dime [1]. The synthesis of 25C-NBOMe was first reported in scientific literature in 2011 by Ettrup et al. [2,3]. It was derived from the psychedelic phenethylamine 2C-C (4-chloro- 2,5-dimethoxylphenethylamine) by substitution on the amine nitrogen with a 2-methoxybenzyl (BOMe) group. This synthesis can be realized in two ways: by reductive amination of 2-methoxybenzaldehyde with 2C-C using sodium borohydride [4] or reductive amination of 2-hydroxybenzaldehyde with the same parent phenethylamine and further methylation of the hydroxy group [2].
Source: Elsevier - "25C-NBOMe – New potent hallucinogenic substance identified on the drug market" by Dariusz Zuba *, Karolina Sekuła, Agnieszka Buczek @ Institute of Forensic Research, Westerplatte 9, 31033 Krakow, Poland
ily :-* ;D
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A "You may want to have a fire extinguisher in arms reach for about 30% of this synthesis" message would be nice ;).
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There should be one at arms reach for any synth i would think. ;)
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Quote from: ruthenium on March 05, 2013, 08:51 pm
Quote from: Limetless on March 05, 2013, 07:57 pm
Quote from: ruthenium on March 05, 2013, 07:50 pm
Also, I find it funny that he mentions the LSD synthesis easy, I am curious if he mentions radioactive suite, UV fragible, micrograms active, inert atmosphere, nasty reagents.
Not to mention getting ergometrine or stuff like that, honestly DDP, if it was that easy, every hillbilly would be "cookin" some acid up.
Not to be picky but there are actually other routes where you don't need all those things, just some.
Having read one of DDP's guides (well I say read, I handed it to my chemist) the MDMA one is legit if a tad rough around the edges. I think the problem is that really, if we're being real, hardly anyone has the real resources to use the guides as intended. I think part of the problem is that people get into their head "Oh yeah I'm gunna make me some Mandy or some Cid" but don't realise that it's not just like baking a cake. I'm not a chemist and don't pretend to be, I just pick up snippets of facts along my travels but I think the problem is people don't get that it takes years to do what DeepWood says in the guides.
Anyway yeah, just thought I'd comment.
Good luck picking up some LSD tartate crystals with your bare hands, o well, lets say, handling it at all without wearing a tyvek suit, taped gloves, full face mask taped with the tyvek, and not to forget purifying the product and getting sigma quality precursors.
I'm just pointing out, most of the stuff he sells is available online for free, and a bit sketchy he doesn't sell any of those products himself.
It's not the difficulty of the MDMA synthesis, it's the fact you know what the fuck you're doing before starting to distill some safrole out of the essential oils, honestly, if people don't know what they are doing it is quite dangerous, especially while handling things like mercury salts, sodium azide, LiAlH4.. I don't know what methods he uses in his guides, but I guess he would brew his Methylamine.HCl himself atleast, without some decent protection and working with formaldehyde say hi to mr. cancer in 10 years, yeah sure, who's gonna blame him for that then!
Yeah I see your point but at the end if people wana buy the info that's their choice isn't it. Don't you think it's the person buying it's responsibility to research what they are doing before giving it a go?
Maybe yes, maybe not.. If a mentally demented kid buys his guide, gives it a go. Ends up with a child 15 years later with 4 arms 1 eye 5 eyebrows and 1 leg on his neck.. Really, I mean if he is such a great clandestine chemist he should warn people atleast in his listing already that they are handling carciogenic, toxic, dangerous and not to mention often illegal compounds, that's the least.. right? atleast for that price..
I honestly have no respect towards people that are self-proclaimed veteran chemists, if he really was, what would he still be doing on here.. Retired chemists are often so loaded with money they don't have to worry about anything anymore, why would they post stupid recipes on a online marketplace for a ridiculous price?
Just my 2 bits...
Thanx dudes, finally the cavalry arrives and gives me some help 'outing' this Imposter DDW! I mean it, seriously thanx, If we've stopped ONE person from hurting themselves (OR others, with shit >:() then the writing WAS worth it...
As you're aware I TRIED to tell them :P BUT,,,Nooooo!!! as I mentioned "fools rush in where angels fear to tread"
Ps. Did anyone notice a MAJOR increase in the PPE they wore on BreakingBad increased MASSIVELY from just respirators to the whole taped tyvek gig by season 3---4? Maybe someone had a go at their researchers for "unsafe work practices!" lol ;D
SUPER HEROIN??? Duuuuude? wtf? Turning M into H "IS a VERY easy reaction" compared to MDxx" Getting the Ac(OH)2 is the hard part...unless you wanna dry distill a bunch of Br, S and GAA .... which aint difficult!
Unfuckingbelievable that this threads STILL rollin on
And hey there Johnny, howzitgoin in the land of the Hoodys? Best hip hop eva ;D
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microwave assisted leuckart pwns.
DDW where is your chemistry and pharmacology knowledge now, my man.. ;)
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Until now I've always assumed DDW had some new and original, or at least difficult to find synth's that allowed the use of easier to source precursors... I honestly didn't think anyone would be stupid enough to purchase something that a 10 second google search would give them and still leave a 5/5 feedback.
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microwave assisted leuckart pwns
lmao yeah!
acually I heard they're pretty neat the 'microleuckart's ' but truly I laughed hard at your comment Ru, man! this dude .... what can you say? :-\
Oh and I found this gem on wiki ... The toxic ergoline derivatives are found in ergot-based drugs (such as methylergometrine, ergotamine or, previously, ergotoxine). The deleterious side-effects occur either under high dose or when moderate doses interact with potentiators such as azithromycin.
Historically, eating grain products contaminated with the fungus Claviceps purpurea also caused ergotism.
Finally, the alkaloids can also pass through lactation from mother to child, causing ergotism in infants.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ergotism
which I'm supposed to 'warn' folk's it's 'clearnet' ... why? some browser/ToR issue or ???
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Well, to be fair, the clearnet synth he probably re-wrote:
http://www.erowid.org/archive/rhodium/chemistry/lsd.synthesis.html
Doesn't have those warnings either
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motek: you realize you shouldn't eat your reactions right? Ergotism cannot be caused by inhaling submilligram amounts or transdermal. Even if you laid acid with ergot type impurities they would be in too low of a concentration to have a dangerous effect.
ruth: the difference between me and you is that you like to show off and talk about things less than 1% of the people reading this will understand so everyone thinks you are sharp, I speak in plain language, hemmingway style.
fractal: none of this information is available through a google search. It was pieced together using hard experience and scientific literature. There is good information online but most of it is outdated.
I love how all the haters don't have any real argument or contradiction, they just hate the idea of me and talk shit. motek seriously thinks the mods are deleting all negative posts and I have 1000 fake accounts.
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Bookmarked for future reads
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motek: you realize you shouldn't eat your reactions right? Ergotism cannot be caused by inhaling submilligram amounts or transdermal. Even if you laid acid with ergot type impurities they would be in too low of a concentration to have a dangerous effect.
ruth: the difference between me and you is that you like to show off and talk about things less than 1% of the people reading this will understand so everyone thinks you are sharp, I speak in plain language, hemmingway style.
fractal: none of this information is available through a google search. It was pieced together using hard experience and scientific literature. There is good information online but most of it is outdated.
I love how all the haters don't have any real argument or contradiction, they just hate the idea of me and talk shit. motek seriously thinks the mods are deleting all negative posts and I have 1000 fake accounts.
The problem is, with the veil of secrecy regarding said information, there is no way to verify it. As far as I'm aware, the only person who's backed you is Limetless, who even then, admits to having a 3rd party tell him if it was legit or not. There is just too much obscurity regarding your products and I'm not even sure if you have ever sold anything that allows us to at least conclusively say you have synthed anything before. Although I'm a fairly new member so I could definitely be wrong there.
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motek: you realize you shouldn't eat your reactions right? Ergotism cannot be caused by inhaling submilligram amounts or transdermal. Even if you laid acid with ergot type impurities they would be in too low of a concentration to have a dangerous effect.
ruth: the difference between me and you is that you like to show off and talk about things less than 1% of the people reading this will understand so everyone thinks you are sharp, I speak in plain language, hemmingway style.
fractal: none of this information is available through a google search. It was pieced together using hard experience and scientific literature. There is good information online but most of it is outdated.
I love how all the haters don't have any real argument or contradiction, they just hate the idea of me and talk shit. motek seriously thinks the mods are deleting all negative posts and I have 1000 fake accounts.
I was giving constructive criticism ;) ;D
really DDW, do you want me to offer all my lab notes for free? quite sure you would run out of business.
yours truly,
Ruth
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I respect you RonPaul for what you do, but don't get why you charge people for the actual cook-book. Why don't you post it publicly for free?
Then charge for consulting and sourcing, that way people know you're credible before they've even bought anything from you. Meaning, they'd be willing to pay more for your consulting and sources because they have proof of a synth.
And you can't use the excuse "LE might see my synth techniques and make the chems harder to get" because if that was true they would just buy your cook-book/guide.
Not having a go at you, respect what you do as it's a very difficult thing to do. I've sat and watched chemists make batches before and it is mind bogolling. Was going to try learn myself, but who am I kidding, I am a dealer not a chemist.
Also, if you want a little more evidence that your shit works (which I believe it does) you can pass the guide to me and then I'll pass it to the guy who makes my MDMA and tell you what he has got to say about it and I'll leave whatever he has said about it in the review thread.
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Ron paul is a fucking joke he's no chemist i asked if he would be able synthesise desomorphine then he started blabbing something about krokodil... just shows how educated he is hahaha..
'Krokodil' is the name given to poorly synthesized desomorphine. It is called 'krokodil' because the impurities left over from the poor synth rot the skin giving it a scaly appearance and in extreme cases it can cause severe necrosis requiring amputation of limbs. Vice did a whole documentary about it.
I know thats what I'm trying to say i want clean desomorphine on silkroad
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Also, if you want a little more evidence that your shit works (which I believe it does) you can pass the guide to me and then I'll pass it to the guy who makes my MDMA and tell you what he has got to say about it and I'll leave whatever he has said about it in the review thread.
It is brightstar his MDMA synthesis for the first time chemist, originated from the hive.. clearnet is the source.
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Wow Doc, you really get the more retarded members all riled up.
I love watching them high five each other to the most idiotic things..
They think handling raw LSD is gonna make them try to peel themselves like oranges for the rest of their lives.
They must not get out much.
Ok, go sit in a room with an open phosgene tank and let us know how to feel in 5 minutes.
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What are you idiots even talking about?
This thread isn't for you to come in and just fucking babble.
No where in the guides is a phosgene tank and his guide is nothing like Brightstar at all.
Doesnt have the same list of chemicals and is different reactions.
His way of speaking says enough, totally clueless.com
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Answer the question dipshit.
show some respect towards people you don't even know, also please i suggest you throw a few litres of 57% HF over you, tell me sir, what do you know about chemistry?
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Suck my dick you troll
I know enough to see you should be kissing DDWs feet.
-1 to you
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You fucking dumbass, you can pick raw LSD with bare hands, nothings gonna happen to you unless you get it an orifice or its absorbed transdermally via some solvent like water, alcohol, dmso
And you cant figure out how to get shit from Sigma?
Damn your lame dude..
Good luck picking up some LSD tartate crystals with your bare hands, o well, lets say, handling it at all without wearing a tyvek suit, taped gloves, full face mask taped with the tyvek, and not to forget purifying the product and getting sigma quality precursors.
Blablablablabla, what's your SR vendor name?
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You fucking dumbass, you can pick raw LSD with bare hands, nothings gonna happen to you unless you get it an orifice or its absorbed transdermally via some solvent like water, alcohol, dmso
And you cant figure out how to get shit from Sigma?
Damn your lame dude..
Good luck picking up some LSD tartate crystals with your bare hands, o well, lets say, handling it at all without wearing a tyvek suit, taped gloves, full face mask taped with the tyvek, and not to forget purifying the product and getting sigma quality precursors.
Really cute man, honestly, if you keep talking on this tone to me I'll make sure to crash the DMT prices on the road, offering even better quality not that crimson craphola u sell, but synthed.........
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Dumbest statement Ive heard all year.
Im sure all the hippies rode around in their schoolbus with Tyvek suits on...
fucking twit, lol
that's the least you should be wearing as safety hillbilly...
I guess your chemistry level is so fucking high considering you sell spice and pre rolled joints.
Guess it's time to fuck up the prices :)
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dude your a dipshit.
You have obviously never been around any raw LSD.
People just bust that shit out and mix it with vodka and blam lay it out.
No gloves or nothing.
Lol dude yeah Synth away over there....I can tell you didnt make wahtever it is you may be selling.
honestly, fucking get some chemistry knowledge before you state such utter crap.
It is DMT, and it is currently being made out of tryptamine and ethyl formate.
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jesus man can you dig yourself any deeper?
sure can, btw we are offtopic, continue in pm if you want to discuss further
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im not fucking pming you you idiot
youve been watching too many breaking bads and reading too much dea pickard stories.
I have nothing in common with lame ass posers, talk to someone else
yeah whatever, e-thugging makes you feel confident huh
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Why are you so angry moon?
Its a shame you dont continue through PM, for reading your very immature posts is becoming greatly annoying.
You talk and write like an 18yr old.
Dipshit this, bust that shit out, blam lay it out, no capitals, twit this, dumb arse that, you sound like a meth head who's coming down.
So far you have contributed absolutely zero to this thread..just do us all a favour, go jump off from Ron Pauls cock and start learning how to synth the products from the guides you have.
Put up or shut up.
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if you dont understand why im angry then your a twit too
and why would i put any effort into my replies to a bunch of twits
i cant believe people come in here and act like LSD is radioactive and shit.
I already told you Im not putting up shit...Never said i was...
It's active transdermally in incredibly small doses and very water soluble. Believe it or not people have water in their sweat.
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well, seems I started some 'argewing'
It's pretty clear by the comments made, who 'knows' their chemistry on this topic and who dont
I happened to check the SR "lab reagents" page and 'tis clear woody and limetless are one and the same OR work hand in hand...limetleess will SELL you the chems you need, LIKE the 'wow famous' Helional and sassafras oils
1lt of helional ~$280 and change BUT he wants (get this Ruth) $1800 for 500gms of HYDROXYLAMINE! WTF! or "only" $2k and change you CAN HAVE BOTH!
Oh btw. hey Limits,, motek wouldn't mind acquiring just 50gms of red phosphorous, not 100gms like in your listing....can you help? Moteks VERY small time/personal/ and RP can be a biatch to source !
To quote Eluseis from the Hive re: home chemistry,, "it's seductive, so seductive" lol
I think this has become one of the most debated subjects on this forum! whooa! Wasn't expecting that! lolo
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I dont know why anyone would want to touch such a product with bare hands.
I would want the product as clean as possible, i wouldnt want anyones sweat on my LSD
Everything should be clean and sanitized.
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I was giving constructive criticism ;) ;D
really DDW, do you want me to offer all my lab notes for free? quite sure you would run out of business.
yours truly,
Ruth
No, you were showing off. Please offer your lab notes for free if you are such a crusader for chemistry truth and wisdom, put your money where your mouth is. I will go over your notes and add my 2 cents, I have no problem with your lab notes being published because mine are still far superior. Just because I charge for my notes doesn't mean I am not all for educating the community.
Please, post some notes.
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I want to say that my initial posts in this thread were to simply say ALL this stuff DDW is selling,, is available for free on the clearnet
As far as mods deleting posts, no I was just wondering where some posts went, and I guess a few people responded to woody's pm's
If Ruthenium released her notes for free sounds like a wonderful thing, for the lady knows her stuff 8) although I imagine most of them would be over the heads of many of the people making comments in this thread ::) I know they'll all hate me forever, but karma's not why I'm here, I just wanted to add my pov, whi ch still stands the same.
Your guides DDW are a rip off, the late night TV version of 'make your own beer at home' except it's selling 'home chemistry notes' for stuff that's out there for free
but still all the 'other reasons' given as to "why" these things aren't as easy as they sound, and if you aren't very careful, you can get yourself in some deep shit :P
I was simply offended to think that someone here is selling a "recipes" for making drugs at home....something motek has had an interest in for a number of years, ALL learnt for FREE on the clearnet. And it wasn't easy, even with lot's of help.....there is just SO MUCH to learn, at least that's for motek.
Simply...
I just hope some kid doesn't think he's gonna become WW by reading them and buying a bunch of glassware etc....and then blow himself up and burn the family home down in trying too hard too fast. There are some here who know and agree this isn't 'shake'n bake' chemistry, making mdxx and other compounds from OTC stuff is very difficult with no experience, and wont happen the 'first time round' without a variety of potential disasters waiting to happen for the inexperienced and ignorant. :o
I hope at the very least, DDW stresses safety to all :P
motek (which means "sweetheart" in hebrew 8))
btw this dude dissonance sums DDW up very well on page 2 where DDW was being shot down in flames ;D
I think that you dumbing down organic reactions will end up doing a lot more harm than good, for the same reason I wouldn't want someone working on my car who's credentials were watching YouTube videos about cards for a few hours. Following a cookbook like recipe from A-B without why A is A and what gives it its A-ness is the reason there are so many meth lab explosions.
Furthermore you insult nature of science itself by hoarding information and selling it to the highest bidder, I think the term is charlatan.
You are attracting a customer base that cares about the profit more than the institution, don't you mention profitability in most of your guides? Real classy, because everyone knows that quick cash grabs usually end up a smashing success.
No use in arguing background or credentials here because it's redundant, but just to let you know anyone with even the slightest scientific background will find your wares as laughable as I did.
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Do you realize that the more you try to defend DDW's product with absurd and blatantly false knowledge, the more you are putting people's lives in danger who then go and try to follow them?
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check out Ruthenium's new today,, "Just some chemical stuff" thread for a bunch of basic info and formulas for making all sorts of drugs everyone 8) 8) 8)
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Fortunately, the mods have deleted most of your posts as they themselves probably realized how full of shit you are.
The gist of most of your arguments is that safety procedures can be ignored in the production of LSD/MDMA, that mindset alone is likely to get a few people killed.
DDW almost certainly does not want your "help" here, all you've done by posting in this topic is make yourself look like an uneducated sycophant and make it more difficult for DDW to defend himself.
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Well said FGlobal. ;)
I wouldnt want to buy anything he possibly synths in the future...no one would.
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Fortunately, the mods have deleted most of your posts as they themselves probably realized how full of shit you are.
The gist of most of your arguments is that safety procedures can be ignored in the production of LSD/MDMA, that mindset alone is likely to get a few people killed.
DDW almost certainly does not want your "help" here, all you've done by posting in this topic is make yourself look like an uneducated sycophant and make it more difficult for DDW to defend himself.
I would give you +1 karma if I didn't -1 that guy already, I still will in 72hrs, if I remember
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It doesn't make sense, sure, you get free advertising, but people will be much less willing to buy from someone who has essentially shown themselves to have no idea about the products he is selling.
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This is going to be the last thing I say on the matter because I'm not fond of internet arguments.
I think that you dumbing down organic reactions will end up doing a lot more harm than good, for the same reason I wouldn't want someone working on my car who's credentials were watching YouTube videos about cards for a few hours. Following a cookbook like recipe from A-B without why A is A and what gives it its A-ness is the reason there are so many meth lab explosions.
Furthermore you insult nature of science itself by hoarding information and selling it to the highest bidder, I think the term is charlatan.
You are attracting a customer base that cares about the profit more than the institution, don't you mention profitability in most of your guides? Real classy, because everyone knows that quick cash grabs usually end up a smashing success.
No use in arguing background or credentials here because it's redundant, but just to let you know anyone with even the slightest scientific background will find your wares as laughable as I did.
Good luck in your endeavors,
as wayward as they may be.
I am not sure if this is the place to post this or if it is even of any use to people. I cannot compare it to DDW's methods. I do not wish to step on anyone's toes. My wish is to share for the sake of a community interested in the sharing of knowledge. Perhaps others can take it, edit and improve it.
This is about 2 years old afaik, many links are dead and the guide itself is incomplete, purposefully. It, however, contains enough information that a little searching and work on your own will give you what you seek.
This is available on the web but I figure why not share it here. I am referring to the 'mrs.ellis.d' document.
I have uploaded it here - oukryuqqc7ffenin.onion/files/e6dc6c63fb222b48970ea50355300de7.zip
It can also be found on clearnet on scribd along with the book 'Psychedelic Chemistry' by Micheal Valentine Smith. 'Mrs.Ellis.D' refers heavily to Smith's book.
If this is not the place please let me know and I can remove my post. I only wish to share it as a starting point for those interested in doing their own research. I also am interested to see if, as a community, we can improve on the information, update the links, etc. I strongly believe that LSD is a useful tool in the progression of humanity and changing the way in which we approach the world for the better.
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As far as I'm aware, the only person who's backed you is Limetless, who even then, admits to having a 3rd party tell him if it was legit or not.
Hang about, just to interject on this point -
The third party is the person who actually makes my UC so he does know his shit and two he did state it was a bit rough and he edited slightly. I did state that before. Also, I didn't talk about this in the forums but we did have a crack at making MDMA on a small trial scale and it did work but we used the edited version our chemist did of what DDW sent us. I did actually do a thread about it but was in the vendor forum. Although I think, as I've said in a comment perhaps on this thread or elsewhere, can't really remember to be honest that the fellas that did the trial did know what they were doing. Whereas in contrast I think sometimes people rush into these things thinking it's going to be like making a cup of tea which is a little bit naive. I personally think DDW's guides are really meant for people that could practically use it in a serious way and not just Joe Blogs who wants to have a bash at chemistry.
Also to add I have not seen DDW's other guides regarding LSD or any of the others so I'm I can't comment on this.
I'm not punting DDW here or arguing chemistry because I have no background in this field to comment I'm just putting my experience on the table. Overall I would say that DDW's info was useful to us because it pointed us in the right direction but then we dug up the journals and cross referenced them.
Just wanted to be clear on that.
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I strongly believe that LSD is a useful tool in the progression of humanity and changing the way in which we approach the world for the better.
And possibly sounding like a cynical old sausage which I imagine is no surprise but I think this is a little misguided. Perhaps, this was the case in the 60s when the Brotherhood was doing it they believed in all that but have you ever considered that this notion that LSD is some sort of Jesus of the drug world is just an excellent way to market a product? To illustrate what I mean when you get an advert on TV like, I dunno some sort of moisturizer for women they promote it's beneficial effects even though you can put as much slap on and you ain't gunna stop the aging process. Now, I'm not saying LSD isn't a lot of fun but it ain't like anyone has ever given this shit away for free is it even in the 60s. Nobody on SR is doing it for non-profit. I'm having a go at getting it done and hopefully it wont fail like the other things I've tried to get but I wont be trying to change the world and better mankind with it. Anyway in summary I'm just saying the progression of humanity and change the world thing is just another idea that's been implanted to encourage sales. Same with blow being for the rich and thus if you do blow people think they have an element of glamor, MDMA being attached to the rave scene, Heroin being "the ultimate hit" and so on and so forth.
Just a thought.
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As far as I'm aware, the only person who's backed you is Limetless, who even then, admits to having a 3rd party tell him if it was legit or not.
Hang about, just to interject on this point -
The third party is the person who actually makes my UC so he does know his shit and two he did state it was a bit rough and he edited slightly. I did state that before. Also, I didn't talk about this in the forums but we did have a crack at making MDMA on a small trial scale and it did work but we used the edited version our chemist did of what DDW sent us. I did actually do a thread about it but was in the vendor forum. Although I think, as I've said in a comment perhaps on this thread or elsewhere, can't really remember to be honest that the fellas that did the trial did know what they were doing. Whereas in contrast I think sometimes people rush into these things thinking it's going to be like making a cup of tea which is a little bit naive. I personally think DDW's guides are really meant for people that could practically use it in a serious way and not just Joe Blogs who wants to have a bash at chemistry.
Also to add I have not seen DDW's other guides regarding LSD or any of the others so I'm I can't comment on this.
I'm not punting DDW here or arguing chemistry because I have no background in this field to comment I'm just putting my experience on the table. Overall I would say that DDW's info was useful to us because it pointed us in the right direction but then we dug up the journals and cross referenced them.
Just wanted to be clear on that.
So we trust him essentially as much as we trust your judgement of a 3rd party chemist who said he's legit? I'm not suggesting that you are involved in any kind of scamming etc. I'm just saying that we are essentially trading one anonymous self-proclaimed expert for another anonymous dealer who's own expert is backing them.
If I were to buy his $550 guide for sassafras > MDMA.HCL, to find that it was essentially a re-worded rhodium synth that could be found after a few minutes on google(which has been heavily implied previously) I'd be pretty pissed off, but if I were some kid with too much money and not enough sense wanting to make MDMA, they are likely to become overconfident and hurt themselves.
"Very little to no chemistry knowledge required!
This is not an advanced technical paper, anyone that is intelligent and can follow instructions can do this. If you can cook anything other than easy-mac you can pull this off!"
Quoted directly from his listing.
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Will 1.5L of sassafras make 1kg of mdma?
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How about somebody nuts up and gets these foolish guides and just release them for free here. I thought we were a bunch of pirates, not a bunch of suckers.
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What are you talking about?
Its you, Motek and the other haters in here who have no clue about drugs or whats actually in the Guides.
You just keep talking but have nothing to say.
You guys would never be able to follow the guides because you would be so wrapped up in saran wrap that you couldnt move because your scared to even be in the same room with raw LSD.
Your arguement is both insightful and compelling. I completely retract my previous statements and offer subservience to DDW[/sarcasm]
I dont get why you try to knock some one elses hustle when you really have no business talking about something you have never done.
This isn't the street, the reason why we are here is so we don't have to deal with shit like this, there is no "dealers code" where you watch a hustle and say nothing.
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Someone is actually wiling to help you and provide you things that cant be had elsewhere and you come in here and shit on him just so you can feel like you know something just because you read it on wikipedia?
I don't even understand how you can possibly leap from one argument, to another that completely destroys the first... It's either a hustle, or its helping the community, which is it? Given the $500+ price tag I'm not sure which way to go.
I dont get why you try to knock some one elses hustle when you really have no business talking about something you have never done.
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I thought I'd toss this in the mix :D There's PLENTY more where this came from :o 8)
#109 MDMA
MDM; ADAM; ECSTASY; 3,4-METHYLENEDIOXY-N-METHYLAMPHETAMINE
SYNTHESIS: (from MDA) A solution of 6.55 g of 3,4-methylenedioxyamphetamine (MDA) as the free base and 2.8 mL formic acid in 150 mL benzene was held at reflux under a Dean Stark trap until no further H2O was generated (about 20 h was sufficient, and 1.4 mL H2O was collected). Removal of the solvent gave an 8.8 g of an amber oil which was dissolved in 100 mL CH2Cl2, washed first with dilute HCl, then with dilute NaOH, and finally once again with dilute acid. The solvent was removed under vacuum giving 7.7 g of an amber oil that, on standing, formed crystals of N-formyl-3,4-methylenedioxyamphetamine. An alternate process for the synthesis of this amide involved holding at reflux for 16 h a solution of 10 g of MDA as the free base in 20 mL fresh ethyl formate. Removal of the volatiles yielded an oil that set up to white crystals, weighing 7.8 g.
A solution of 7.7 g N-formyl-3,4-methylenedioxyamphetamine in 25 mL anhydrous THF was added dropwise to a well stirred and refluxing solution of 7.4 g LAH in 600 mL anhydrous THF under an inert atmosphere. The reaction mixture was held at reflux for 4 days. After being brought to room temperature, the excess hydride was destroyed with 7.4 mL H2O in an equal volume of THF, followed by 7.4 mL of 15% NaOH and then another 22 mL H2O. The solids were removed by filtration, and the filter cake washed with additional THF. The combined filtrate and washes were stripped of solvent under vacuum, and the residue dissolved in 200 mL CH2Cl2. This solution was extracted with 3x100 mL dilute HCl, and these extracts pooled and made basic with 25% NaOH. Extraction with 3x75 mL CH2Cl2 removed the product, and the pooled extracts were stripped of solvent under vacuum. There was obtained 6.5 g of a nearly white residue which was distilled at 100-110 ° C at 0.4 mm/Hg to give 5.0 g of a colorless oil. This was dissolved in 25 mL IPA, neutralized with concentrated HCl, followed by the addition of sufficient anhydrous Et2O to produce a lasting turbidity. On continued stirring, there was the deposition of fine white crystals of 3,4-methylenedioxy-N-methylamphetamine hydrochloride (MDMA) which were removed by filtration, washed with Et2O, and air dried, giving a final weight of 4.8 g.
(from 3,4-methylenedioxyphenylacetone) This key intermediate to all of the MD-series can be made from either isosafrole, or from piperonal via 1-(3,4-methylenedioxyphenyl)-2-nitropropene. To a well stirred solution of 34 g of 30% hydrogen peroxide in 150 g 80% formic acid there was added, dropwise, a solution of 32.4 g isosafrole in 120 mL acetone at a rate that kept the reaction mixture from exceeding 40 ° C. This required a bit over 1 h, and external cooling was used as necessary. Stirring was continued for 16 h, and care was taken that the slow exothermic reaction did not cause excess heating. An external bath with running water worked well. During this time the solution progressed from an orange color to a deep red. All volatile components were removed under vacuum which yielded some 60 g of a very deep red residue. This was dissolved in 60 mL of MeOH, treated with 360 mL of 15% H2SO4, and heated for 3 h on the steam bath. After cooling, the reaction mixture was extracted with 3x75 mL Et2O, the pooled extracts washed first with H2O and then with dilute NaOH, and the solvent removed under vacuum The residue was distilled (at 2.0 mm/108-112 ° C, or at about 160 ° C at the water pump) to provide 20.6 g of 3,4-methylenedioxyphenylacetone as a pale yellow oil. The oxime (from hydroxylamine) had a mp of 85-88 ° C. The semicarbazone had a mp of 162-163 ° C.
An alternate synthesis of 3,4-methylenedioxyphenylacetone starts originally from piperonal. A suspension of 32 g electrolytic iron in 140 mL glacial acetic acid was gradually warmed on the steam bath. When quite hot but not yet with any white salts apparent, there was added, a bit at a time, a solution of 10.0 g of 1-(3,4-methylenedioxyphenyl)-2-nitropropene in 75 mL acetic acid (see the synthesis of MDA for the preparation of this nitrostyrene intermediate from piperonal and nitroethane). This addition was conducted at a rate that permitted a vigorous reaction free from excessive frothing. The orange color of the reaction mixture became very reddish with the formation of white salts and a dark crust. After the addition was complete, the heating was continued for an additional 1.5 h during which time the body of the reaction mixture became quite white with the product appeared as a black oil climbing the sides of the beaker. This mixture was added to 2 L H2O, extracted with 3x100 mL CH2Cl2, and the pooled extracts washed with several portions of dilute NaOH. After the removal of the solvent under vacuum, the residue was distilled at reduced pressure (see above) to provide 8.0 g of 3,4-methylenedioxyphenylacetone as a pale yellow oil.
To 40 g of thin aluminum foil cut in 1 inch squares (in a 2 L wide mouth Erlenmeyer flask) there was added 1400 mL H2O containing 1 g mercuric chloride. Amalgamation was allowed to proceed until there was the evolution of fine bubbles, the formation of a light grey precipitate, and the appearance of occasional silvery spots on the surface of the aluminum. This takes between 15 and 30 min depending on the freshness of the surfaces, the temperature of the H2O, and the thickness of the aluminum foil. (Aluminum foil thickness varies from country to country.) The H2O was removed by decantation, and the aluminum was washed with 2x1400 mL of fresh H2O. The residual H2O from the final washing was removed as thoroughly as possible by shaking, and there was added, in succession and with swirling, 60 g methylamine hydrochloride dissolved in 60 mL warm H2O, 180 mL IPA, 145 mL 25% NaOH, 53 g 3,4-methylenedioxyphenylacetone, and finally 350 mL IPA. If the available form of methylamine is the aqueous solution of the free base, the following sequence can be substituted: add, in succession, 76 mL 40% aqueous methylamine, 180 mL IPA, a suspension of 50 g NaCl in 140 mL H2O that contains 25 mL 25% NaOH, 53 g 3,4-methylenedioxyphenylacetone, and finally 350 mL IPA. The exothermic reaction was kept below 60 ° C with occasional immersion into cold water and, when it was thermally stable, it was allowed to stand until it had returned to room temperature with all the insolubles settled to the bottom as a grey sludge. The clear yellow overhead was decanted and the sludge removed by filtration and washed with MeOH. The combined decantation, mother liquors and washes, were stripped of solvent under vacuum, the residue suspended in 2400 ml of H2O, and sufficient HCl added to make the phase distinctly acidic. This was then washed with 3x75 mL CH2Cl2, made basic with 25% NaOH, and extracted with 3x100 mL of CH2Cl2. After removal of the solvent from the combined extracts, there remained 55 g of an amber oil which was distilled at 100-110 ° C at 0.4 mm/Hg producing 41 g of an off-white liquid. This was dissolved in 200 mL IPA, neutralized with about 17 mL of concentrated HCl, and then treated with 400 mL anhydrous Et2O. After filtering off the white crystals, washing with an IPA/Et2O mixture, (2:1), with Et2O, and final air drying, there was obtained 42.0 g of 3,4-methylenedioxy-N-methylamphetamine (MDMA) as a fine white crystal. The actual form that the final salt takes depends upon the temperature and concentration at the moment of the initial crystallization. It can be anhydrous, or it can be any of several hydrated forms. Only the anhydrous form has a sharp mp; the published reports describe all possible one degree melting point values over the range from 148-153 ° C. The variously hydrated polymorphs have distinct infrared spectra, but have broad mps that depend on the rate of heating.
easy peasy ;D
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How about somebody nuts up and gets these foolish guides and just release them for free here. I thought we were a bunch of pirates, not a bunch of suckers.
I think the guide just serves as a starting point to establish longer term consulting relationships
*NOTE
This guide has been modified due to customers having difficulty acquiring hydrobromic acid, it is now replaced with NaBr
This method has not been published in any synthesis books. Its a very simple idea but has never really been this easy. Generations of chemists have been chasing this golden goose for a few reasons. This reaction requires very cheap, simple materials. The reactions use mild reagents and low temperatures and pressures. This method does not require vacuum distillation or excess cleanup, making it the perfect process to scale up to industrial levels. You could run this reaction in 55 gallon drums if you wanted to. While you can find pieces of information at various sources this guide is worth 10x what im charging. Conditions have been painstakingly optimized and everything is running to a T! This reaction requires 3 steps. The first step creates bromosafrole from safrole. The second creates iodosafrole from bromosafrole. The third creates MDMA from iodosafrole and methylamine gas.
The first step is done at room temperature, basically add everything together and set aside for the night. Cleanup is very simple and fast.
The second step is similar to the first and does not even require long. Easy as it gets.
The third step is more involved and is really the gem of the process. After that this guide presents you with a choice of two methods for converting the freebase mdma into mdma.hcl and a very fast, thorough cleanup guide using dual-solvent recrystallization. The last bit of this guide gives details for making moonrocks using two different methods, one makes them pure, uncut 98+% moonrocks and the other makes dutch 80% pure giant moonrocks as seen everywhere as "pure" on silk road.
Very little to no chemistry knowledge required!
This is not an advanced technical paper, anyone that is intelligent and can follow instructions can do this. If you can cook anything other than easy-mac you can pull this off!
Sorry, but that doesn't fly... The advertising for the guide is essentially proclaiming it as a super easy 1pot that someone with no prior lab experience could pull off.
Bolded section is especially interesting. I'm extremely interested to see this claim proven.
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I'll refrain from talking about DDW's LSD guide because I know next to nothing about making the stuff, but I do have a problem with his MDMA/MDA guides. No way in hell they're worth almost $600.
His cost analysis is also total bullshit:
"Equipment: one time cost
Water aspirator - 40$
2L flask x 3 - 60$
5L flask x 1 - 60$
2L seperatory funnel - 80$
Rubber stoppers, Tubing - cheap
50ml syringe - cheap"
If you're going to make a serious attempt at synth of MDMA, you'll need:
1 A decent distillation kit with rb flasks, adapters, etc. (cost: $250),
2. A hot plate and stirrer or a heating mantle (cost: $200),
3. A few graduated cylinders/beaker/erlenmeyer flasks (cost: $50)
4. A lab-grade thermometer (cost: $25)
5. A Buchner funnel/water aspirator/filter flask ($75). A vacuum pump would set you back even more.
6. Scales (cost: $50)
7. Clamps/stands: $25
8. Extra glassware, like bigger separatory funnels/rb flasks (cost: $125-?)
Total: about $800, not $250 like DDW says! And honestly, it would probably be closer to $1000-$2000, even for the basics. Oh yeah, and good luck sourcing that much lab equipment without raising the DEA's suspicions.
"Chemicals: reoccuring
1.5L sassafras oil
800g NaBr - 100$
2L Sulfuric Acid - 40$
2L Glacial Acetic Acid - 20$
5 gallons acetone - 20$
1000g NaI - 200$
1kg calcium chloride (damprid) - 5$
1 gallon muratic acid - 15$
4kg Ammonium Chloride - 100$
1 gallon formaldehyde - 60$"
I don't know enough about his synth method to give an accurate estimates of his products, but it really seems like he's leaving a few chemicals out here. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt though and say his extremely optimistic estimates are accurate. Cost: $560 + the cost of 1.5 liters of sassafras oil (which would be $700 if bought on the road) = $1260.
Oh, and you still have to source all this shit in a way that doesn't attract attention. There's a reason why no one but Canadians and the Dutch make the stuff- they're fucking hard to practically obtain without giving yourself away, even if you have a sassafras source. Ebay's not going to cut it, so unless DDW does all that for you, you'll be spending HOURS trying to come up with ways to acquire a few of these chemicals. Drop locations/fake names and addresses are basically mandatory.
Total Cost: $2060+ $575 for the guide = $2635 (probably closer to $3000-$3500 if done right).
What do you get out of such an investment? That's hard to determine, although I seriously doubt a first-time chemist with little lab experience could get such a high yield. The iodosafrole from bromosafrole route is anything but a slam dunk, especially compared to the (admittedly expensive) popular Wacker oxidation route and there's guaranteed to be a few fuck ups along the way (even with DDW's help). You still have to distill your sassafras oil to make safrole (yield: 75-90%), bromosafrole from safrole (yield: 75-90%) , etc.., so you're probably looking at a final yield closer to 50%, even if you know what you're doing.
To me, anyone seriously considering doing this would already be taking the necessary steps to do so. Purchasing a guide like DDW's doesn't make much sense to me unless you're very lazy or you don't have any budget. And if you really don't have a solid background in laboratory procedures/basic Organic Chemistry, you're probably going to fail.
What's my point? There's a reason no one in the states makes MDMA and a synth attempt requires serious dedication; there's there's no "get rich quick" guide out there. While I won't dispute that DDW's consultation and guide are worth something, I just can't see how they're worth this much, not when there are resources out there that are much more comprehensive. And yes, unless he's a Heisenberg-level chemist, it's highly probable that his MDMA/MDA guides are just re-worded rhodium/hive synths.
Motek's kind of a dick, but he's right. Buying 100g from the Netherlands for $1400 is a much easier (and probably safer) way to make money selling MDMA. Hell, go buy a ton of MHRB or shroom spores and start selling DMT/shrooms for pretty much the same profit margins. Trying to do this yourself with no chemistry background is just throwing your money away.
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i give up, I admit it, its a scam, and the DMT I sell is just used grinded up kitty litter, but no one has ever said anything, I guess they are all embarrased because everyone else seems to trip.
What does you being a DMT vendor have to do with anything? (And by the way, extracting DMT isn't exactly rocket science...)
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Im only saying that you have finally collapsed the whole house of cards and while I was at it I felt like confessing before you caught me and my kitty litter at some point with your razor sharp intelligence and experience, not to mention your exceptional math skills.
Will you be taking control of SR immediately or some time in the future? I have a suspicion your were trained in North Korea, comrade.
Wow, what a strong rebuttal! Childish quips questioning my intelligence are clearly the way to win the hearts and minds of the community! I don't see anything wrong about posting what I did. Perhaps you should post something substantive if you want to persuade me to change my opinion.
Congratulations on knowing how to extract DMT though (i.e., follow a recipe), you're clearly on your way to making LSD by the bucketload.
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You moon unit, you have a very appropriate nym ;D It suits you ... very trippy imho 8)
And a Fabulous posts by lesseroftwoweevils, (and Blerbadoo, to name just 2 people who 'disagree with you woody) and , I could not agree with it more,
Thank you for so clearly pointing out the 'basic costs' associated with doing "organic chemistry at home" .... not to mention (of course) the "splash of Argon" ... "essence of terror" and the good ole 'sinister sauce!' are all verry expensive unobtaniums ;) :-X
Now , I'm not saying LSD isn't a lot of fun but it ain't like anyone has ever given this shit away for free is it even in the 60s.
Are you SURE about that? I dont think you are, becoz IF you were 'sure of your facts' you would know about Stanley 'Bear' Owsley, who alledgedly made between 300,000 and 10 million doses in the 2 years between 1965-67! And over 460 grams or one KILO of LSD
And yet you 'think' he didn't 'give any away!' .... dude you're trippin!
"Owsley Stanley was the first underground chemist to mass produce high-quality LSD in the 1960s. While born Augustus Owsley Stanley III, he is widely known by simply Owsley or the nickname "Bear". He served 18 months in the Air Force during the 1950s. In 1963 he began attended U.C. Berkeley where he tried his first psychoactive and decided to produce methedrine. Police eventually raided his lab in 1965 but found only precursors.
Owsley moved to L.A. to pursue the production of LSD. He used his methedrine proceeds to buy bulk lysergic acid and produced somewhere between 300,000 and 10 million doses of LSD. Once finished, he returned to the bay area where he supplied LSD to Ken Kesey and the Merry Pranksters for their acid tests. Through them he also met the Grateful Dead in 1966 and began supporting them both financially and as a sound man.
Owsley soon hooked up with Tim Scully and together they continued to produce LSD as well as STP (DOM). Owsley's best-known acid was "White Lightning" (300,000 doses) made in 1966-1967. Another popular run included "Monterey Purple" (14,000 doses). Most of his LSD was produced in large batches and either pressed into tablets or encapsulated. He produced a few grams of LSD in Los Angeles in 1965, more than that in Point Richmond in 1966, and the rest in Denver in 1967. Owsley Stanley's total production has been estimated to be around 460 grams of LSD. In 1967, Owsley's lab was raided and he was eventually sentenced to three years in prison. The same year, he officially shortened his name to "Owsley Stanley".
Owsley Stanley went on to do more sound work for the Grateful Dead after he was released from prison. He lived in Australia until his death in a car accident near his home in northern Queensland."
And yet you have never heard of the famous "Electric Cool Aid Acid Tests?" run by Ken Kesey and Stanley Owsley?
where LSD was GIVEN to ANY/EVERYONE who attended and wanted some ;D 8)
Yeah, that's right...in Australia, he lived just 'down the road', from where I lived for many years!
I never met him. Trust me, Nobody did, ever, becoz, well, you know what small towns are like, no?
They're the kind of places where nobody knows anybody, and everyone 'minds their own business' .... just like in the Big Smoke!
After all, when you have 500 people living in an area of <250km2 .....
how would anyone meet anyone in such a large area? You tell me!
You know, after all the bullshits spun in this thread, by people who clearly know SFA about organic chemistry, it's pretty clear who 'knows their stuff and who doesn't' ..... and MU, as to 'why' you continue to demonstrate your profound ignorance of this subject .....
After all, wasn't it you who said something like, 'those who dont know squat about chemistry OR what they're talking about, should GTFO'
Yet you don't seem to act upon your own 'advice' .... and GTFO!? Why is this? ???
The comments made by Moon Unit 'suggest' (at least to me) that they are affiliated with DDW, who either/also is one of woody's sock puppets, or, they HAVE a 'vested interest' in woody's success. :-\ I KNOW that Aurelius V sells chemical on the Road ... so they MOST CERTAINLY HAVE a 'vested intereest' in woody selling his 'guides' becoz they 'require' chemicals, a few of which AV sells :o ::)
I dont think I mentioned woody pm'd me "asking, nicely, if I would "get off his back", after all, "it just business", so 'why' should I 'care what he does?' ::)
Well, I'll TELL you and make it CRYSTAL clear for those like woody who can't seem to comprehend that:
The case IS that, motek just wanted to 'warn' folks, synthesizing your own MDMA is MUCH more difficult AND dangerous than woody even comes 'close' to admitting, and IMHO is selling a dangerous product in a misleading fashion, to people who have absolutely NO place tyrying to synthesize ANY amount of 'drugs' let alone the "KILOS of MAD SHARDS" which they can sell and make BIG bucks!
ffs dude, are ALL the people like fractalglobal 8) and Blerbadoo 8), whom, amongst others, HAVE 'challenged' woody's bullshit 'recipes' just other 'idiots' from your pov? ???
"recipes" that can be "explained" like this .... ::) :P
You could run this reaction in 55 gallon drums if you wanted to. While you can find pieces of information at various sources this guide is worth 10x what im charging. Conditions have been painstakingly optimized and everything is running to a T!
This reaction requires 3 steps.
The first step creates bromosafrole from safrole.
The second creates iodosafrole from bromosafrole.
The third creates MDMA from iodosafrole and methylamine gas."
"The first step is done at room temperature, basically add everything together and set aside for the night. Cleanup is very simple and fast.
The second step is similar to the first and does not even require long. Easy as it gets.
The third step is more involved and is really the gem of the process. After that this guide presents you with a choice of two methods for converting the freebase mdma into mdma.hcl and a very fast, thorough cleanup guide using dual-solvent recrystallization.
The last bit of this guide gives details for making moonrocks using two different methods, one makes them pure, uncut 98+% moonrocks and the other makes dutch 80% pure giant moonrocks as seen everywhere as "pure" on silk road."
AND get these statements,
Very little to no chemistry knowledge required!
This is not an advanced technical paper, anyone that is intelligent and can follow instructions can do this. If you can cook anything other than easy-mac you can pull this off!
This ^^^ "sounds like" a 'one pot halosafrole' method/process for making MDMA:
that WAS in Uncle Fester's First Edition of "Secrets of Methamphetamine Manufacture" aka SOMM :D
So ..... what's "new" in it?
"ProTips 'n Tricks" eh? Five Hundred bucks worth? Oh, I noticed your prices have almost HALVED since this topic began :o Is that becoz you're selling SO many, you can now 'afford' to sell them more cheaply? No? Then Pray Tell "why?" you HAVE dropped your 'price' SO much ???
AND, as well, ..... there are countless variations of this 'method' which ARE available for FREE, AND 'nothing new' in Fact, NOT at all 'easy ...
Seriously....you 'say' that ALL the chemicals required to make it are 'easily available'! :o Oh yeah, Methylamine GAS is SO easy to get, IIRC it's at the supermarket in the "drug making chemicals" aisle .... near the cleaming stuff (and respirators! Cant forget the respirators ... ooh! And a Fire Extinguisher, and a 55 gallon drum (just in case you decide to "scale up" :o ;D
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Even IF, it WAS "this easy" .... there is NO WAY this aforementioned 'method' of 'yours' would be giving folks "kilos of mad shards" from their first, second, third OR fourth attempts, and with a bit of luck, they wont blow themselves up in the process, or contaminate their dwelling/enviroment due to extremely poor safety protocols and/or the carelessness of the naive !
Like I said, IF the post here on this thread stop just ONE person from getting ripped off, hurting themselves, and/or getting busted in the process ... it was all worthwhile!
M :)
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The quote below is from a person named Brightstar, who posted one of THE MOST copied and repeated synthesis of MDMA ever written, and can be found at Erowid
" For those who think they are better than the instructions as written - be prepared to screw it up at least 4 times before success (or you finally figure out I'm right). Be prepared to invest ~$800. Be prepared to read and learn. It's also a good idea when investing in chemicals to buy 5x what is needed for a synthesis - this way you can repeat it without buying it again"
And again " be prepared to screw it up at least 4 times before success"
This is what I was trying to get across in the DDW thread .... whereas RP "guarantees success" ..... 'MAD success', in the 'KILO amounts', 'success' .... which IS BULLSHIT!
I hope people can SEE for themselves, that IF one of the "legends" of "home MDMA synthesis" says "you WILL FUCK IT UP at LEAST 4 times!" .... BEFORE you succeed.....
I have to ask, "where does DDW/RP get off, 'telling' folks "they WILL succeed, first time around!!",
BECOZ "his guides are SO easy to follow?" Or becoz they "will have kilos of BIG shards they can sell, AND make "heaps of cash, in no time" .... which IS patently FALSE!
Please anyone thinking of buying his bullshit....DONT get yourself ripped off/blown up, chasing a pipe dream of RP's .... it just ISN'T GOING TO HAPPEN!
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Erowids also frought with fucked up info and one of the admins was a snitch.
DDW said the guides have been adapted to home use.
So its very easy to do. You must be the one guy who left back feedback huh?
Why you keep attacking DDW? What are your credentials to do so? You dont even own any of his guides.
Where do you think all this mdma comes from?
It comes from clandestine labs like he shows you how to make.
Do you think all this LSD comes from where? Sandoz?
There are clips on youtube from a nat geo documentary on LSD with Nick Sand utilizing buckets, gasp...OMG the worlds cleanest LSD producer using buckets????
yep.
Who needs to own one of his guides? does it give like a instant chemist status?
MDMA needs a bit of effort to be made anyway, 55 gallon drums? I think they use proper set ups most of the times, often custom made, honestly, why would anyone use 55 gallon drums and some crap equipment cutting costs on that and improving chance on fucking up the end product yield or the entire product at all.
No the LSD is actually made in switzerland mostly.. also netherlands is a big player in LSD distribution.
However as far as I am concerned there's a huge demand for ergometrine/ergotamine in europe, the LSD prices have risen to 13000-15000E a gram.
/endlessdiscussion
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Why do you keep defending him unit?
Do you have any idea how stupid you look?
You dont seem to understand what these guys are trying to warn other people about.
Do you even know what your saying?
Have you recently escaped from a juvenile detention center?
You lack any moral comprehension. And i agree with Motek, your a sock puppet nestled lovingly over the length of RP's cock.
People with real intelligence are contributing to this thread..what does the title of this thread say? Any successful synths? Are there? No.
So because DDW says the guides have been adapted to home use, you think its easy do you?
What are you waiting for if its so easy, theres a lot of money to make out there you unit, so why the fuck are you here on this forum arguing with people which have already wet glass and have had a successful dream, you dont have any credentials....boy.
Why do you keep posting on here you asked yourself? Because your a fucking troll and RP's shill.
You know theres a forum out there where the level of knowledge from the chemists there would, quite literally blow your mind, guys who have successfully dreamed their first synth and are willing to help.....FOR FREE. Why? Because they have a love of chemistry. People like you dont. Its so painfully obvious.
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Why do you keep defending him unit?
Do you have any idea how stupid you look?
You dont seem to understand what these guys are trying to warn other people about.
Do you even know what your saying?
Have you recently escaped from a juvenile detention center?
You lack any moral comprehension. And i agree with Motek, your a sock puppet nestled lovingly over the length of RP's cock.
People with real intelligence are contributing to this thread..what does the title of this thread say? Any successful synths? Are there? No.
So because DDW says the guides have been adapted to home use, you think its easy do you?
What are you waiting for if its so easy, theres a lot of money to make out there you unit, so why the fuck are you here on this forum arguing with people which have already wet glass and have had a successful dream, you dont have any credentials....boy.
Why do you keep posting on here you asked yourself? Because your a fucking troll and RP's shill.
You know theres a forum out there where the level of knowledge from the chemists there would, quite literally blow your mind, guys who have successfully dreamed their first synth and are willing to help.....FOR FREE. Why? Because they have a love of chemistry. People like you dont. Its so painfully obvious.
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Amen
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blah i really wish I didn't sell all my btc for ten bucks.
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You lack any moral comprehension. And i agree with Motek, your a sock puppet nestled lovingly over the length of RP's cock.
People with real intelligence are contributing to this thread..what does the title of this thread say? Any successful synths? Are there? No.
LMAO ;D
Ah jonny you're a funny cunt ;D 8)
And I'll second Ru's "amen" 8)
As for MU .... more deleted posts! 20kgs of 'sid ... lol
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Has the MDA synth been done by anyone? Was it as easy as it seems? Feel free to pm me if you want
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Well I just bought his guide, and will be posting my thoughts on it very shortly. I pulled the trigger partially because of the very useful advice he gave me regarding industrial scale production of alkyln nitrites. He saved me a good chunk of money building my final reaction chamber and also put my mind to ease about certain issues I had not yet resolved. Best of all, he didn't even charge me a single cent from that consultation, and was very pleasant to chat with. I actually have some more non MDMA questions I hope he could answer, but he seems to be pretty busy lately and I'm not really expecting more handouts. So I bought one of his guides and I've decided I'm going to have a bit of fun with it.
I'm not sure why it's believed to be difficult to source the listed equipment and chemicals. I've been ordering glassware off ebay in big used lots for a few years as well as other odds and ends. Not all the same account, personal info, or shipping addresses maybe, but ebay nonetheless. You have friends right? Do you have friends who use ebay? Well there you go. Anything else I can just have blown locally if I think it's too much of a hassle to order online. If someone ever knocked on my door and demanded to take a look around, I wouldn't really have a problem with doing that, seeing as I already have been coerced into exactly that kind of condition before and made it work. In my case the worst they'd find was some misdemeanor reefer lost in my carpet or some clean legal glassware. In fact I can remember one particular case where I had my vacuum distillation apparatus out on my desk when I brought my PO around and explained to her how I was using it as water purifier. I showed her the residue from some tap water I had boiled off in a flask and she seemed very reassured. Bragging about how my science toys have been the catalyst in my getting laid by numerous nerdy girls definitely seemed to seal the deal. As long as you are not a overt sketchy piece of trash, clean glassware is not really something that you have to worry about by itself. Unless you have it all set up and arranged in an particularly illegal looking kind of way (or buy it all from the same place like that). Obviously your results may vary based off of your geographic/socioeconomic location.
As for the chemicals being hard to get, I'm even more confused. Virtually every chemical on that list looks OTC and really easy to acquire. Other than safrole there is only one other chemical I can see that can't be purchased/purified out of a commercial product. Maybe I'm wrong?
I am a little confused about the hostility towards him so far. As someone who has had their entire life ripped apart because of badly burning myself and getting arrested, I kinda wish I had this kind of guidance while I was doing that thing that I did wrong which was a bad thing to do and I won't do anymore ever again I swear your honor. In fact, it kind of blows my mind someone can go from criticizing him for not being realistic with people as to the safety/ease of clandestine chemistry and then go on to reference Uncle Fester as another place to find a potentially similar modifications of this synthesis for cheaper. Books like that are the exact reason why I'd rather just pay someone $600 and have at least some peace of mind.
I've never made MDMA before ever, I promise. The most formal chemistry experience I have is one or two college chemistry courses or two that I completed before dropping out of college. I'm not looking to get rich quick or even sell MDMA for that matter. I will almost deinitley making an attempt at synthesizing MDMA for the first time using the guide. I don't even think I'm going to make a kilo, just whatever I can get from one of those 500ml bottles of sassafrass oil you can buy off the Silk Road. Some of it I'm going to eat, most if not all of the rest is being given away at cost to the group of people who helped me be less homeless and back on my feet after the first time I ignited myself. So hopefully Ron Paul is not a jerk and I am competent enough to follow basic lab instructions and there will be no future fireballs. In case you are worried about the DEA coming after me, don't worry. My lab is well hidden beneath a huge industrial laundromat that covers up all my shifty activity. Will post back more once I have read through the guide and done some homework on it.
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Yep, sure is....."story" being the operative word!!
Showing ya PO a distillation setup (I assume is made with "all the glassware from ebay! ffs! Na LE never watch ebay!)) is either complete bullshit OR your PO is a fool, just like the person who "chose" to show them!
PLENTY of people HAVE got busted with nothing more than glassware! In my neck of the woods, possession of a 3 neck flask can have one looking at 25 YEARS!
just sayin
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. In case you are worried about the DEA coming after me, don't worry. My lab is well hidden beneath a huge industrial laundromat that covers up all my shifty activity.
Oh my, that sounds like some very popular american mini-series which is currently into its 5th season.... ???
LMFAO.
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Well I just bought his guide, and will be posting my thoughts on it very shortly. I pulled the trigger partially because of the very useful advice he gave me regarding industrial scale production of alkyln nitrites. He saved me a good chunk of money building my final reaction chamber and also put my mind to ease about certain issues I had not yet resolved. Best of all, he didn't even charge me a single cent from that consultation, and was very pleasant to chat with. I actually have some more non MDMA questions I hope he could answer, but he seems to be pretty busy lately and I'm not really expecting more handouts. So I bought one of his guides and I've decided I'm going to have a bit of fun with it.
I'm not sure why it's believed to be difficult to source the listed equipment and chemicals. I've been ordering glassware off ebay in big used lots for a few years as well as other odds and ends. Not all the same account, personal info, or shipping addresses maybe, but ebay nonetheless. You have friends right? Do you have friends who use ebay? Well there you go. Anything else I can just have blown locally if I think it's too much of a hassle to order online. If someone ever knocked on my door and demanded to take a look around, I wouldn't really have a problem with doing that, seeing as I already have been coerced into exactly that kind of condition before and made it work. In my case the worst they'd find was some misdemeanor reefer lost in my carpet or some clean legal glassware. In fact I can remember one particular case where I had my vacuum distillation apparatus out on my desk when I brought my PO around and explained to her how I was using it as water purifier. I showed her the residue from some tap water I had boiled off in a flask and she seemed very reassured. Bragging about how my science toys have been the catalyst in my getting laid by numerous nerdy girls definitely seemed to seal the deal. As long as you are not a overt sketchy piece of trash, clean glassware is not really something that you have to worry about by itself. Unless you have it all set up and arranged in an particularly illegal looking kind of way (or buy it all from the same place like that). Obviously your results may vary based off of your geographic/socioeconomic location.
As for the chemicals being hard to get, I'm even more confused. Virtually every chemical on that list looks OTC and really easy to acquire. Other than safrole there is only one other chemical I can see that can't be purchased/purified out of a commercial product. Maybe I'm wrong?
I am a little confused about the hostility towards him so far. As someone who has had their entire life ripped apart because of badly burning myself and getting arrested, I kinda wish I had this kind of guidance while I was doing that thing that I did wrong which was a bad thing to do and I won't do anymore ever again I swear your honor. In fact, it kind of blows my mind someone can go from criticizing him for not being realistic with people as to the safety/ease of clandestine chemistry and then go on to reference Uncle Fester as another place to find a potentially similar modifications of this synthesis for cheaper. Books like that are the exact reason why I'd rather just pay someone $600 and have at least some peace of mind.
I've never made MDMA before ever, I promise. The most formal chemistry experience I have is one or two college chemistry courses or two that I completed before dropping out of college. I'm not looking to get rich quick or even sell MDMA for that matter. I will almost deinitley making an attempt at synthesizing MDMA for the first time using the guide. I don't even think I'm going to make a kilo, just whatever I can get from one of those 500ml bottles of sassafrass oil you can buy off the Silk Road. Some of it I'm going to eat, most if not all of the rest is being given away at cost to the group of people who helped me be less homeless and back on my feet after the first time I ignited myself. So hopefully Ron Paul is not a jerk and I am competent enough to follow basic lab instructions and there will be no future fireballs. In case you are worried about the DEA coming after me, don't worry. My lab is well hidden beneath a huge industrial laundromat that covers up all my shifty activity. Will post back more once I have read through the guide and done some homework on it.
@Aurelius Vinport: I'd prefer to encourage replies like this, its better than the alternative...
@poppermachine: The problem is that Fester/BS/(All the other bees from synthetical/the hive) etc. all have material that is probably at least 'as good' as the DDW synths, without asking for $600, added to that, some of the pure misinformation in his advertisements could easily result in people getting hurt/arrested. While I realise that the synthesis' available on rhodium/synthetikal/the hive(archives) may not be up to par with safety precautions etc. as well, making money from people's ignorance and greed is a little different than forgetting to mention proper handling of chemicals.(especially given that most of the time, they were write-up's that were published in an environment where almost every member would already know the information.)
In relation to
Ease of aquisition of precurors is entirely dependant on location. Of course someone in Central Europe will have a much easier time sourcing the required chems/equiptment than say... Someone in Australia. I have tried ordering glassware to Aus before. 0% Success rate, 100% knock on the door from unfriendly uniformed people.
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I like the evolution of haters on this thread:
HES A SCAMMER AND SELLS INFO THATS FREE ONLINE!!11!
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HIS SYNTHESIS DOESN'T WORK AND ANYONE WHO HAS ANYTHING NICE TO SAY IS A SOCK PUPPET AND NEGATIVE POSTS ARE GETTING MYSTERIOUSLY DELETED
TO
WELL HIS SYNTHESIS WORKS BUT ITS NOT WORTH THE MONEY YOU CAN LEARN THIS STUFF AND GET A CHEMISTRY DEGREE AND SPEND YEARS IN THE LAB AND DO IT YOURSELF!
TO
HE DOES NOT EXPLAIN HOW TO HANDLE FLAMMABLE CHEMICALS IN HIS AD'S
you guys are grasping at straws
I have posted tons of info for free on this board and not a single person has had a legitimate complaint with any errors , etc. Even when this is information not freely available online. I post legit info that you find anywhere else, and all my haters just copy and paste shit
Motek keeps looking stuff up on google and pasting it into this thread to try and see smart, all the while thinking there is a giant conspiracy. (Motek cant figure out that the extra carbon in "super h" that I advertise resides right next to the carbon on the acetyl group, its di-proponyl-morphine as opposed to di-acetyl-morphine, instead hes gona blast shit all over my threads as well as my customers threads because he doesnt understand basic chemistry nor can he read correctly)
Ruth tries to act like he and all the chemistry forums online serve the same function as I do for free, but I dont see him or the forums spoonfeeding beginners all day and night. Still waiting on you releasing your free labnotes ruth, lets see what you are made of.
I think if you look at my haters you will realize there is not a single legitimate complaint. The only reason I am responding is because I once read that every criticism from a hater is an opportunity to explain and advertise why your services are awesome.
BUT my haters are such shitty haters that maybe 1 post in every 3 pages has a halfway intelligent criticism the rest is just mud slinging and "I dont like him because...", just a bunch of cheap opinions.
I will stop responding to this thread soon because the longer it gets the more useless it gets.
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our lack of response to completely legitimate challenges regarding the product you are selling is what got me really interested, that and the consistent advertising that these synthesis could be performed by someone with very little to no lab experience.
Another thing to note is the price point. Anyone selling a bootlegged BS synthesis or w/e would sell it for much less so people aren't too annoyed at getting gyped. Whereas any chemist who really did have some novel 1pot synthesis of MDMA, or alternative route to LSD would be charging a hell of a lot more or just using it themselves, LSD is pretty expensive when you are talking gram+ amounts.
I like the evolution of haters on this thread:
1. HES A SCAMMER AND SELLS INFO THATS FREE ONLINE!!11!
TO
2.HIS SYNTHESIS DOESN'T WORK AND ANYONE WHO HAS ANYTHING NICE TO SAY IS A SOCK PUPPET AND NEGATIVE POSTS ARE GETTING MYSTERIOUSLY DELETED
TO
3.WELL HIS SYNTHESIS WORKS BUT ITS NOT WORTH THE MONEY YOU CAN LEARN THIS STUFF AND GET A CHEMISTRY DEGREE AND SPEND YEARS IN THE LAB AND DO IT YOURSELF!
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[b4.][/b]HE DOES NOT EXPLAIN HOW TO HANDLE FLAMMABLE CHEMICALS IN HIS AD'S
1. and 3. are pretty much the same argument
I have no idea where 2. came from, I've not seen anything like that but I havn't payed close attention.
4. Linked to 1-3 regarding the legitimacy of the product and is highly exaggerated.
you guys are grasping at straws
I have posted tons of info for free on this board and not a single person has had a legitimate complaint with any errors , etc. Even when this is information not freely available online. I post legit info that you find anywhere else, and all my haters just copy and paste shit
Motek keeps looking stuff up on google and pasting it into this thread to try and see smart, all the while thinking there is a giant conspiracy. (Motek cant figure out that the extra carbon in "super h" that I advertise resides right next to the carbon on the acetyl group, its di-proponyl-morphine as opposed to di-acetyl-morphine, instead hes gona blast shit all over my threads as well as my customers threads because he doesnt understand basic chemistry nor can he read correctly)
Ruth tries to act like he and all the chemistry forums online serve the same function as I do for free, but I dont see him or the forums spoonfeeding beginners all day and night. Still waiting on you releasing your free labnotes ruth, lets see what you are made of.
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=129116
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Yep, sure is....."story" being the operative word!!
Showing ya PO a distillation setup (I assume is made with "all the glassware from ebay! ffs! Na LE never watch ebay!)) is either complete bullshit OR your PO is a fool, just like the person who "chose" to show them!
PLENTY of people HAVE got busted with nothing more than glassware! In my neck of the woods, possession of a 3 neck flask can have one looking at 25 YEARS!
just sayin
I was honestly more worried about the bits of weed perma stuck in my carpet. State laws might be different, but I've never seen anything to indicate that dry clean glassware is in any way illegal by itself in most places. Do LE troll ebay for small pieces a glassware? I don't claim to know. Sounds like a shit ton of resources they definitely don't have. However I have plenty of friends who trust ebay enough to not give a flying fuck if I had a pre-assembled meth lab delivered to their door. I'm not saying you should have a pre-assembled meth lab delivered to you or your friends door. For the record, neither I nor any people I have had things shipped to has ever had a knock on their door as a result of glassware of chemicals. The only thing close I've seen that comes close is a botched controlled delivery attempt for a pound of weed from California. Probably because weed is illegal while glassware is not.
Yes, the police are trained to recognize three neck flasks as suspicious. They are specifically controlled by the DEA under 21USC843 (that doesn't make them illegal to own at all, local laws may vary). This was also how they initially tried to prove I was running a methamphetamine lab. Didn't work. If there was a law where you could get 25 years just for being caught owning a three neck flask I would not be sitting here right now. Maybe you just live in some really shitty backassword freedom hating country you god damn commie bastard. Or maybe the south, in which case you still might be cool. Here are some ways to get around the fact that three neck flasks are more suspicious than other similar glassware:
A. Not be a shifty sketchball about owning one. At the time of my arrest I forgot about this step.
B. Have it shipped to your friend who is less shifty than you.
C. Have a glassblower make it. Find one who smokes weed. Demand to pay him in weed.
D. Have it shipped to one of the many corporate entities that you own.
E. Use something that is not a three neck flask that will work just as well. Modified Claisen adapter?.
Obviously your state or local laws will vary.
@poppermachine: The problem is that Fester/BS/(All the other bees from synthetical/the hive) etc. all have material that is probably at least 'as good' as the DDW synths, without asking for $600, added to that, some of the pure misinformation in his advertisements could easily result in people getting hurt/arrested. While I realise that the synthesis' available on rhodium/synthetikal/the hive(archives) may not be up to par with safety precautions etc. as well, making money from people's ignorance and greed is a little different than forgetting to mention proper handling of chemicals.(especially given that most of the time, they were write-up's that were published in an environment where almost every member would already know the information.)
So you have his guide and you know what safety precautions he is recommending? Or are you going off the description in the listing? Uncle Fester is known to have recommended some highly dangerous methods which are great for pulling off in a college dorm room yo. Also, he's got some great tips on how to hijack industrial chemicals and make those legitimate companies your bitch. DDW might not include things like what gloves or respirator to wear, but he was some nice tips scattered throughout the guide. Like how to deal with fumes, when to explicitly avoid pressure build up, and how to avoid having to use large amounts of various lab equipment. Other than that, it seems if you can put shit together and carefully pour flasks full of liquid, I don't really see what the issue is.
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our lack of response to completely legitimate challenges regarding the product you are selling is what got me really interested, that and the consistent advertising that these synthesis could be performed by someone with very little to no lab experience.
I've never made MDMA before, or any structurally related compounds. I have close to zero formal training. If I succeed in making MDMA on my first attempt does that mean that you are wrong?
Another thing to note is the price point. Anyone selling a bootlegged BS synthesis or w/e would sell it for much less so people aren't too annoyed at getting gyped. Whereas any chemist who really did have some novel 1pot synthesis of MDMA, or alternative route to LSD would be charging a hell of a lot more or just using it themselves, LSD is pretty expensive when you are talking gram+ amount.
Really? You're complaining that the price of his guide is too moderately priced?
1. and 3. are pretty much the same argument
I have no idea where 2. came from, I've not seen anything like that but I havn't payed close attention.
4. Linked to 1-3 regarding the legitimacy of the product and is highly exaggerated.
Yes, people were complaining that somehow DDW was getting detractors' comments deleted, and there was some other conspiracy bullshit as well.
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Man I give up has anyone successfully completed a synthesis from this info or not for fucksake man well has anyone or are we gonna have another 20 pages of arguing well I'll put it in capitals just incase HAS ANYONE COMPLETED A SYNTHESIS FROM THIS INFO OR NOT IF SO PLEASE POST RESULTS N YEILD ETC ETC THANK YOU
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our lack of response to completely legitimate challenges regarding the product you are selling is what got me really interested, that and the consistent advertising that these synthesis could be performed by someone with very little to no lab experience.
I've never made MDMA before, or any structurally related compounds. I have close to zero formal training. If I succeed in making MDMA on my first attempt does that mean that you are wrong?
So you are asking me specifically "If I, with close to no formal lab training/chem education, were to buy this guide, and successfully make MDMA as a result, does that mean you are wrong in pointing out the advertising of the guide was a part of what originally gauged your interests?"
If so, I can say with absolute certainty/honesty that no, I would not be wrong in my initial statement.
Another thing to note is the price point. Anyone selling a bootlegged BS synthesis or w/e would sell it for much less so people aren't too annoyed at getting gyped. Whereas any chemist who really did have some novel 1pot synthesis of MDMA, or alternative route to LSD would be charging a hell of a lot more or just using it themselves, LSD is pretty expensive when you are talking gram+ amount.
Really? You're complaining that the price of his guide is too moderately priced?
Again, not complaining, explaining why I'm so interested in this thread. Or, to be clear, trying to show that I'm not out to get DDW, it's not a conspiracy, its just a bunch of people who notice something which could be a scam and say something about it.
1. and 3. are pretty much the same argument
I have no idea where 2. came from, I've not seen anything like that but I havn't payed close attention.
4. Linked to 1-3 regarding the legitimacy of the product and is highly exaggerated.
Yes, people were complaining that somehow DDW was getting detractors' comments deleted, and there was some other conspiracy bullshit as well.
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Again, not complaining, explaining why I'm so interested in this thread. Or, to be clear, trying to show that I'm not out to get DDW, it's not a conspiracy, its just a bunch of people who notice something which could be a scam and say something about it.
No, It's definitely a conspiracy.
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dry clean glassware is in any way illegal by itself
er, maybe not in your country, but you said you were "distilling water" with the setup you showed your PO? 'dry' water eh?
Surely seeing ANY distillation setup from someone who says they HAD LE initially tried to prove I was running a methamphetamine lab
isn't going to red light themselves (esp to their PO! ffs!) that they "might" be back in the game? ???
Motek keeps looking stuff up on google and pasting it into this thread to try and see smart
Yep, you're right, woody, IDK squat about this stuff .... but why do you keep on attacking motek, RATHER than her what she says about the chemistry? ???
As for woody's comment about di-proponyl-morphine ...dude, firstly, 1ml of propionic anhydride get yo ass 25years in the US (fentanyl synthesis)
Secondly, diproionyl morphine IS NOT 'heroin' and is, in fact LESS "strong" than heroin! It's even out there on wiki!
So how is it "super heroin" ? (and what happened to all the updates old mate was going to provide about the "super heroin?" .... they didn't happen did they?
How are your sales going woody? And why cant you get ANYONE who has obtained your guided (whatever way) to say they work?
As phoboss so succinctly put...
HAS ANYONE COMPLETED A SYNTHESIS FROM THIS INFO OR NOT IF SO PLEASE POST RESULTS N YEILD ETC ETC THANK YOU
to quote Talking Heads .... "we're still waiting" ;D
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Maybe I didn't make it clear enough, I have never made methamphetamine or any structurally related compounds. My associates and I were wrongfully arrested and I ended up pleaing out so that everyone else would have their case dismissed. Started out with 1st degree manufacturing charges, ended up with probation and no drug charges. Everyone involved in the case knows I was not making methamphetamine. If no one else was involved I would have fought it and got nothing. I've never been in any game and don't plan on doing being in one now. I live in the ghetto and the water here is shit according to everyone who lives here. I have a flask that I filled up and boiled off and it leaves a very thick crusty residue. My roommates complain that if I don't get big jugs of water they get sicks from drinking it. I feel kind of queasy when I drink it but at this point I don't rule out placebo.
Honestly, the distillation apparatus is not even the weirdest thing in my room. I have a bunch of odd hobbies as well as a few online based businesses and it fits in with all the other shit pretty well if you ask me. It's not like I'm a drug dealer or anything. Why would anyone be watching me?
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I have no dog in this fight, but clearly the OP just wants to know if there have been any successful synths of MDMA using this method, by someone other than the author of this guide.
Clearly the answer is no. I think that is the end of the discussion.
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As i have said before DR.
To prove your legitimacy & shut the fuck off all the haters is simply just make the tutorial in video form. ;)
Seeing is believing as they say.
PS: Make sure that the video is industrial size method. or maybe you could sell the video in 2 kinds: small scale & large scale. 8)
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As i have said before DR.
To prove your legitimacy & shut the fuck off all the haters is simply just make the tutorial in video form. ;)
Seeing is believing as they say.
PS: Make sure that the video is industrial size method. or maybe you could sell the video in 2 kinds: small scale & large scale. 8)
Or alternatively, let one of the other chemists on the forum who has not voiced an opinion in the thread read it and either vouch for it, or say you are full of shit/re-writing old synthetikal texts.
iisthisisi comes to mind.
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As i have said before DR.
To prove your legitimacy & shut the fuck off all the haters is simply just make the tutorial in video form. ;)
Seeing is believing as they say.
PS: Make sure that the video is industrial size method. or maybe you could sell the video in 2 kinds: small scale & large scale. 8)
Or alternatively, let one of the other chemists on the forum who has not voiced an opinion in the thread read it and either vouch for it, or say you are full of shit/re-writing old synthetikal texts.
iisthisisi comes to mind.
Quite sure he'll do that. Or maybe eleusis..
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It wont matter or not what a 3rd party chemist would say.
You guys would just call him a sock puppet and continue to troll.
You're solution is too logical for a bunch of trolls that do not employ logic in their argument.
If a 3rd party chemist who would not release the notes could look at them and review, would motek and ruth find someone else to talk shit to? And specifically motek deleting all his slander from my review thread?
If so I would be open to that, as I am an open minded, decent human being, not the scammer that all you haters think I am
P.S. Ruth your chemistry thread is just a copy and paste circle-jerk fest. trashcan helional based synthesis using sodium azide? I am willing to bet you never tried 90% of those synthesis you post. And you think my services are bogus?
If you think for a second my services and product are anything like ruths info please get that out of your head! Im not just gona nail you with a few theoretical reaction schemes that were copied off zoklet or some old drug synthesis compliation you are dead wrong.
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It wont matter or not what a 3rd party chemist would say.
You guys would just call him a sock puppet and continue to troll.
You're solution is too logical for a bunch of trolls that do not employ logic in their argument.
If a 3rd party chemist who would not release the notes could look at them and review, would motek and ruth find someone else to talk shit to? And specifically motek deleting all his slander from my review thread?
If so I would be open to that, as I am an open minded, decent human being, not the scammer that all you haters think I am
P.S. Ruth your chemistry thread is just a copy and paste circle-jerk fest. trashcan helional based synthesis using sodium azide? I am willing to bet you never tried 90% of those synthesis you post. And you think my services are bogus?
If you think for a second my services and product are anything like ruths info please get that out of your head! Im not just gona nail you with a few theoretical reaction schemes that were copied off zoklet or some old drug synthesis compliation you are dead wrong.
I'd be glad to exchange d-lysergic acid diethylamide synthesis with you, including the conditions it was done it.
Yields are constantly high, maleate salt was obtained.
Sure man, I never claimed they were mine, some of them are, some are not. Most of my synthesis are kept private which I use to make money from, else it would be retarded since I'd ruin my own market.
P.S: why aren't you selling anything compound related? are you really that pv-paranoid? or is it all a la uncle fester style, technically yes, practical no.
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DDW: Please refer me to any point in this thread where my posts could be considered trolling. I've done nothing but point out potential fallacies in advertisement and some logical fallacies which has lead me to question the validity of the product. I've also put forth several possible remedies for this and so far the responses have been both lackluster and ego-centric. Get your head out of your ass for a second and stop thinking this is a dick waving contest.
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DDW: Please refer me to any point in this thread where my posts could be considered trolling. I've done nothing but point out potential fallacies in advertisement and some logical fallacies which has lead me to question the validity of the product. I've also put forth several possible remedies for this and so far the responses have been both lackluster and ego-centric. Get your head out of your ass for a second and stop thinking this is a dick waving contest.
You are one of the more reasonable critics in this thread but still, you are determined to constantly illogically criticize my services. You constantly point out that since my advertising markets toward beginners that its not safe. My guides include tons of setup, safety and tips and tricks for reducing vapors, smells, doing things discreetly. Just because I can't post them openly doesn't mean they aren't there. You act like people are going to go throwing boiling xylene flasks around or something.
The problem is that Fester/BS/(All the other bees from synthetical/the hive) etc. all have material that is probably at least 'as good' as the DDW synths, without asking for $600, added to that, some of the pure misinformation in his advertisements could easily result in people getting hurt/arrested.
This is a good example, for no reason at all you act like my information is on par with things published online in those ancient guides/books. It isn't but without posting it openly then there is no way I can prove it, so it opens the door for mindless chatter. Don't you think if one of my customers saw a synthesis they just bought free online they would post something here or in my feedback? No, its original information.
Motek constantly just posts rubbish in all of my threads, including a recent customers thread. He is the least logical and just likes attention. If motek agrees to delete his posts in my review thread and all other threads except for this one then I will give my notes to a 3rd party for verification.
This 3rd party must have rep on the forum, agree to not publish the notes and give an unbiased opinion/review.
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I'd be glad to exchange d-lysergic acid diethylamide synthesis with you, including the conditions it was done it.
Yields are constantly high, maleate salt was obtained.
Sure man, I never claimed they were mine, some of them are, some are not. Most of my synthesis are kept private which I use to make money from, else it would be retarded since I'd ruin my own market.
P.S: why aren't you selling anything compound related? are you really that pv-paranoid? or is it all a la uncle fester style, technically yes, practical no.
Are you telling me you guys are blasting me for having copy and pasted information (which isnt true), not posting my own information for free yet white knight ruth steps up and does exactly that for free. You get what you pay for, I think this helps illustrate why my services are worthwhile.
No, my information is not "a la uncle fester style, technically yes, practical no." But your free information in that thread is so its funny you bring up that point.
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Didn't read the entire thread, but saw my name being called.
IIRC the topic is about the lab notes from "ron paul". Correct me if I'm wrong.
Been reading through the summary he posted on SR and chemically seen everything is correct. I didn't read the whole document as I would use a whole different method.
The method he describes for the production of MDMA is one I've never encountered before on Erowid or such. (to much of a hassle in my opinion). But makes perfect sense. It's also straight forward chemistry.
As for the MDA, this route has been proven to work, but the yield is quit low. Last step sucks as this rearrangement was more developed for straight molecules. It does work however.
There are better routes to MDA with very good yields, however, far more dangerous chemicals are involved here.
So from what I've seen so far, the routes work.
I also have a complete hive database at my disposal. Didn't read through it though.
Could be that it has been mentioned, not sure about that.
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hmmmm we're STILL left with the OP's question unanswered .... Has ANYONE HAD SUCCESS using RP's methods to 'make' ANYTHING?
And we "mean" ANY one at all who has bought his recipes, and especially ANY one who HAS made some 'mad drugs' using RP's methods/advice!
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First and foremost, thanks for taking the effort to reply to the points I've made.
DDW: Please refer me to any point in this thread where my posts could be considered trolling. I've done nothing but point out potential fallacies in advertisement and some logical fallacies which has lead me to question the validity of the product. I've also put forth several possible remedies for this and so far the responses have been both lackluster and ego-centric. Get your head out of your ass for a second and stop thinking this is a dick waving contest.
You are one of the more reasonable critics in this thread but still, you are determined to constantly illogically criticize my services. You constantly point out that since my advertising markets toward beginners that its not safe. My guides include tons of setup, safety and tips and tricks for reducing vapors, smells, doing things discreetly. Just because I can't post them openly doesn't mean they aren't there. You act like people are going to go throwing boiling xylene flasks around or something.
This is a bit of a hyperbole. I didn't, at any point, indicate that your guides instructed the user to intentionally put themselves in harms way without warning. I did however, point out that the advertisement of all the synthesis' offered are essentially comparing the process to baking a cake. My concern was that after building it up to be as easy as ABC, people who buy the guide are likely to have the same attitude, which will invariably lead to carelessness.
The problem is that Fester/BS/(All the other bees from synthetical/the hive) etc. all have material that is probably at least 'as good' as the DDW synths, without asking for $600, added to that, some of the pure misinformation in his advertisements could easily result in people getting hurt/arrested.
This is a good example, for no reason at all you act like my information is on par with things published online in those ancient guides/books. It isn't but without posting it openly then there is no way I can prove it, so it opens the door for mindless chatter. Don't you think if one of my customers saw a synthesis they just bought free online they would post something here or in my feedback? No, its original information.
Yes, I agree that I went over the top in this post, however if I were to change it to:
The problem is that Fester/BS/(All the other bees from synthetical/the hive) etc. all have material that may or may not be as good as the DDW synths, without the hefty pricetag. Without any way to verify authenticity I would be extremely wary of purchasing it.
I would still be quite happy with it.
Motek constantly just posts rubbish in all of my threads, including a recent customers thread. He is the least logical and just likes attention. If motek agrees to delete his posts in my review thread and all other threads except for this one then I will give my notes to a 3rd party for verification.
You wont hear me defending him, thats for sure. His posts detract from the validity of the rest of us 'critics' due to the tone, and obvious flaws in the arguments he presents. Up until now I've just ignored him.
This 3rd party must have rep on the forum, agree to not publish the notes and give an unbiased opinion/review.
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I'd expect at least these restrictions, or else I would never have suggested it in the first place. The opinion/review needn't go into any detail of the synth itself, the only thing I want a 3rd party to verify is that its not a re-written, synthesis that was publicly available at one time or another(and therefore probably available on either clearnet archives or some .onion archive sites) and that the required skills to do the synth is as stated in the advertisement.
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Don't you think if one of my customers saw a synthesis they just bought free online they would post something here or in my feedback?
What I 'think' is, after 23 pages of posts, AT LEAST ONE of your customers woody, would have come and posted 'something' here ??? but none have :-\
WHY is this the case? The question HAS BEEN repeatedly asked throughout this thread "has ANYONE done a RP/DDW synth SUCCESSFULLY?"
NOT ONE of your many customers has come to this thread to either praise or defend your prooducts, EXCEPT yourself, and other folks who haven't seen them
And I'm still waiting on an answer as to "how you do your consulting?" . . . by phone maybe? tormail? Pray tell dr :D
Much like the 'super heroin' .... dude, you are just SO full of it! ::)
mmotek didn't start posting in this thread to make friends and, she most certainly did not come here just to dis DDW or troll the thread :o (and it's clear from the comments, she hasn't made any :() but, unlike you, DDW ,who has only a few typos and away he goes and rips into her 'personally' .... NOT arguing what she said BUT, just a whole bunch very immature and purely personal attacks ! Calling her 'stupid' amongst other things is just ... laughable! If only you knew! lol ... But, that was the turning point, where the gloves came off, (and you have provided her and the kidz, hours of entertainment when there was a long reflux going or sumt :-\) ... the personal attacks upon motek which began on about page 3 :o is where you showed your true colors woody, and you can see a distinct change in moteks demeanour :o
it's just that, motek HAS invested a great deal of time and energy into returning and relearning, the dark craft of clandestine chemistry 8) over the past several years,, :P and there's SO MUCH MORE TO IT than just reading the odd 'guide' or two. ::)
The analogy (made by another member in the first few pages) was perfect, about RP/DDW being the SR's equivalent of the 'Get Rich Quik' schemes they flog on late night TV ;D They hit the nail on the head there!
Even in your last post, you need to have another dig at motek, She basically repeated the OP's question and said nothing about you in her previous post, yet you want to have a dig at her anyway, so you resort to that timeless technique where you must, bring up the past, to justify your 'current' bitch???
Are you female by any chance woody? coz you come across all hormonal and PMTish with many of your remarks :o
I do not have any sock puppets, nor vendors with a vested interest in me selling my products (coz they sell some of the chemicals needed in the synths I sell) or random members, coming on here to back me up, and I dont need them.
Now THIS ... this really puzzles me! Why is it that, even though you HAVE got a lot of 'supporters' here DDW ....NOT ONE IS AN ACTUAL CUSTOMER of yours? Not a 'for real' customer that is :P
I posted here, simply to make members 'aware' that there were sites that HAD ALL this info and much more ... as well as the basic safety concerns I had
IF anyone is foolish enough to buy these 'recipe/guides' ...c'est la vie :) ... caveat emptor 8)
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I'm a real customer, and I'm pretty sure I've posted in this thread multiple times. I am very satisfied with what I received.
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I'm a real customer, and I'm pretty sure I've posted in this thread multiple times. I am very satisfied with what I received.
I've never made MDMA before, or any structurally related compounds.
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I have not made any MDMA related compounds, but I do have some of that sassafrass oil you used to be able to get off the Silk Road before they sold out the other day.
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I have not made any MDMA related compounds, but I do have some of that sassafrass oil you used to be able to get off the Silk Road before they sold out the other day.
Info to everyone: You still can get sassafras oil from me & its ready stock. ;D
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AFAIK Joy has been the only one offering sass for the entire time I've been on the road.
Also, my previous post was merely pointing out that you vouching for DDW doesn't lend a lot of credence given that you are still yet to produce anything. In the event that you do, your posts will mean a lot more.
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AFAIK Joy has been the only one offering sass for the entire time I've been on the road.
Also, my previous post was merely pointing out that you vouching for DDW doesn't lend a lot of credence given that you are still yet to produce anything. In the event that you do, your posts will mean a lot more.
There is a domestic vendor that sells 500ml bottles domestic, but only carried 3-4 and claims to stock them quarterly. I think his name is Vapor something. He's currently in stealth mode and has no more listings up but when SR comes back up I will link to his vendor profile. It really has not been that long since I bought the guide and I'm still assemblying the OTC materials, give me a bit of time and I'll get back to you.
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I got some oil from joy and that went perfect but I read Ron Paul's guide and I don't get it. I know nothing at all about chemistry but it did seem like it would be easier tounderstand from his description. Is the guide worth 500? Idk iI don't have the money for the other needed supplies so I can't attempt a synth. As for his consulting I told him I was a little confused on some of the terms and shit and he didn't have to much to say. Would have spent my 500 elsewhere if I could go back. Mostly my fault tho. Stupid for thinking it would be even somewhat easy with no knowledge of chemistry at all. Anyone wanna suggest any books or other sources of info that would help me understand that would be great!
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I got some oil from joy and that went perfect but I read Ron Paul's guide and I don't get it. I know nothing at all about chemistry but it did seem like it would be easier tounderstand from his description. Is the guide worth 500? Idk iI don't have the money for the other needed supplies so I can't attempt a synth. As for his consulting I told him I was a little confused on some of the terms and shit and he didn't have to much to say. Would have spent my 500 elsewhere if I could go back. Mostly my fault tho. Stupid for thinking it would be even somewhat easy with no knowledge of chemistry at all. Anyone wanna suggest any books or other sources of info that would help me understand that would be great!
The Organic Chem Lab Survival Manual, James W Zubrick.
Free on clearnet, just google search.
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I got some oil from joy and that went perfect but I read Ron Paul's guide and I don't get it. I know nothing at all about chemistry but it did seem like it would be easier tounderstand from his description. Is the guide worth 500? Idk iI don't have the money for the other needed supplies so I can't attempt a synth. As for his consulting I told him I was a little confused on some of the terms and shit and he didn't have to much to say. Would have spent my 500 elsewhere if I could go back. Mostly my fault tho. Stupid for thinking it would be even somewhat easy with no knowledge of chemistry at all. Anyone wanna suggest any books or other sources of info that would help me understand that would be great!
I know you've just spent good money on a guide but there's one on the clearnet called the DrDrool MDMA synthesis. It's probably the only MDMA guide I've read where I've known I could follow it through to the end with no trouble at all but I have no idea if it's going to produce quality MDMA. If someone could vouch for the science behind it, I'd suggest taking a look at it.
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The Organic Chem Lab Survival Manual, James W Zubrick.
Free on clearnet, just google search.
I second that. Zubrick's book is an excellent reference and introduction for people who haven't spent a lot or any time in the lab. I feel Zubrick's writing style strikes the perfect balance between readability and prissiness such that those truly interested enough to make organic syntheses work for them will find it engaging while those who can't be bothered paying attention to the details will be put off.
Zubrick The Organic Chem Lab Survival Manual is a nice place from which to jump. Armed with this, the determination to safely lay hands on the required laboratory apparatus, and the patience to perform and verify steps in a synthesis of something legal (I nominate benzocaine as a great starting point to discover whether you care enough to get a synthesis right) is arguably a good place to begin.
For MDMA as the next step, if you can obtain the sassafras oil without resorting to felling trees and steam distilling, Rhodium's archive (freely available on Erowid and throughout the net) provides succinct details for what is still a compendium of state-of-the-art syntheses.
And do yourself a favour: Download Vogel's Organic Synthesis. It's a fucking treasure of technique and method. And the pictures are incredible. If they excite you, you're probably cut out for synthesis.
If you can lay hands on the reagents cost effectively, the Wacker oxidation is probably the most time effective route from safrole to MDP-2-P.
The peracid (performic was my favourite but peracetic works as well and has less interesting reagents) oxidation is a bit longer running but is better suited to those with more restricted access to precursors and reagents.
Reductive amination in methanol with mercuric chloride and thick aluminium foil works well, and isn't terribly difficult. All detailed in the Rhodium archive. Once upon a time when the Hive was about you could chime in with your own experiences and be lambasted and stripped mercilessly to the bone for all of your naïve fuckups and assumptions, but these days you need to work a bit harder to gain the same level of exposure and proficiency.
In much of the world the bad old days of shake and bake method production in a couple of plastic bottles using crushed up pseudoephedrine pills and readily available iodine and red phosphorus are over. Any synthesis of anything desirable requires some effort, some study, some practice, and the determination to give a shit long enough that you learn the prerequisites.
As someone earlier in the thread alluded, anyone promising easy synthesis as simple as baking a cake is lying to you, or doesn't know what they're talking about enough to know they're being disinformative: Perhaps benefit from downloading Total Synthesis II by Strike to find out how easy it previously has been, but no longer is.
I haven't seen the syntheses for sale on Silk Road, but I can attest that there's nothing you need to buy to learn a synthetic route that you can make work, if you're the type of person who is able to make illicit synthesis work effectively.
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The Organic Chem Lab Survival Manual, James W Zubrick.
Free on clearnet, just google search.
I second that. Zubrick's book is an excellent reference and introduction for people who haven't spent a lot or any time in the lab. I feel Zubrick's writing style strikes the perfect balance between readability and prissiness such that those truly interested enough to make organic syntheses work for them will find it engaging while those who can't be bothered paying attention to the details will be put off.
Zubrick The Organic Chem Lab Survival Manual is a nice place from which to jump. Armed with this, the determination to safely lay hands on the required laboratory apparatus, and the patience to perform and verify steps in a synthesis of something legal (I nominate benzocaine as a great starting point to discover whether you care enough to get a synthesis right) is arguably a good place to begin.
For MDMA as the next step, if you can obtain the sassafras oil without resorting to felling trees and steam distilling, Rhodium's archive (freely available on Erowid and throughout the net) provides succinct details for what is still a compendium of state-of-the-art syntheses.
And do yourself a favour: Download Vogel's Organic Synthesis. It's a fucking treasure of technique and method. And the pictures are incredible. If they excite you, you're probably cut out for synthesis.
If you can lay hands on the reagents cost effectively, the Wacker oxidation is probably the most time effective route from safrole to MDP-2-P.
The peracid (performic was my favourite but peracetic works as well and has less interesting reagents) oxidation is a bit longer running but is better suited to those with more restricted access to precursors and reagents.
Reductive amination in methanol with mercuric chloride and thick aluminium foil works well, and isn't terribly difficult. All detailed in the Rhodium archive. Once upon a time when the Hive was about you could chime in with your own experiences and be lambasted and stripped mercilessly to the bone for all of your naïve fuckups and assumptions, but these days you need to work a bit harder to gain the same level of exposure and proficiency.
In much of the world the bad old days of shake and bake method production in a couple of plastic bottles using crushed up pseudoephedrine pills and readily available iodine and red phosphorus are over. Any synthesis of anything desirable requires some effort, some study, some practice, and the determination to give a shit long enough that you learn the prerequisites.
As someone earlier in the thread alluded, anyone promising easy synthesis as simple as baking a cake is lying to you, or doesn't know what they're talking about enough to know they're being disinformative: Perhaps benefit from downloading Total Synthesis II by Strike to find out how easy it previously has been, but no longer is.
I haven't seen the syntheses for sale on Silk Road, but I can attest that there's nothing you need to buy to learn a synthetic route that you can make work, if you're the type of person who is able to make illicit synthesis work effectively.
Great post Mercury. ;)+1.
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I got some oil from joy and that went perfect but I read Ron Paul's guide and I don't get it. I know nothing at all about chemistry but it did seem like it would be easier tounderstand from his description. Is the guide worth 500? Idk iI don't have the money for the other needed supplies so I can't attempt a synth. As for his consulting I told him I was a little confused on some of the terms and shit and he didn't have to much to say. Would have spent my 500 elsewhere if I could go back. Mostly my fault tho. Stupid for thinking it would be even somewhat easy with no knowledge of chemistry at all. Anyone wanna suggest any books or other sources of info that would help me understand that would be great!
I know you've just spent good money on a guide but there's one on the clearnet called the DrDrool MDMA synthesis. It's probably the only MDMA guide I've read where I've known I could follow it through to the end with no trouble at all but I have no idea if it's going to produce quality MDMA. If someone could vouch for the science behind it, I'd suggest taking a look at it.
DrDrool's is essentially someone describing themselves doing methylman's, however he's got good enough technical knowledge and tricks/tips during it that its worth renaming.
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Cool, I had no idea. There's a method posted a few posts up that looks well worth looking into. Never came across that one before.
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If you really need to purchase an easy-how-to instruction manual on drug synthesis, than you should not be conducting drug synthesis. All the necessary information is online. There are even scientific articles on it (Hint: Search for papers above forensic analysis of seized samples, they usually describe the general methods of synthesis). You shouldn't embark on this without basic chemistry skills, preferably from an intro chem and organic chem college course. Otherwise, teach yourself, if you can't don't do it. There are lots of safety issues involved and if you aren't properly trained you could really hurt yourself! Always wear goggles! Sally didn't, and now she doesn't need them anymore....
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If you really need to purchase an easy-how-to instruction manual on drug synthesis, than you should not be conducting drug synthesis. All the necessary information is online. There are even scientific articles on it (Hint: Search for papers above forensic analysis of seized samples, they usually describe the general methods of synthesis). You shouldn't embark on this without basic chemistry skills, preferably from an intro chem and organic chem college course. Otherwise, teach yourself, if you can't don't do it. There are lots of safety issues involved and if you aren't properly trained you could really hurt yourself! Always wear goggles! Sally didn't, and now she doesn't need them anymore....
Thats what we have been trying to tell everyone.... ;) +1.
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If you really need to purchase an easy-how-to instruction manual on drug synthesis, than you should not be conducting drug synthesis. All the necessary information is online. There are even scientific articles on it (Hint: Search for papers above forensic analysis of seized samples, they usually describe the general methods of synthesis). You shouldn't embark on this without basic chemistry skills, preferably from an intro chem and organic chem college course. Otherwise, teach yourself, if you can't don't do it. There are lots of safety issues involved and if you aren't properly trained you could really hurt yourself! Always wear goggles! Sally didn't, and now she doesn't need them anymore....
Thats what we have been trying to tell everyone.... ;) +1.
Yep we sure have! Good to have another pov which confirms this 8) +1 to you both :D
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Hey Motek, +1 back mate. ;)
Hey Motek theres a vendor selling an mdma guide with photos for $1. :P
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I hit a stumbling block and motek provided me with some free consulting, for which I'm most appreciative. Very happy for his presence in this thread so I thought to ask :)
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I hit a stumbling block and motek provided me with some free consulting, for which I'm most appreciative. Very happy for his presence in this thread so I thought to ask :)
Yes Motek knows much more than he lets on...if he did then he would be getting a lot of PM's which he wouldnt want i'm sure.. ;)
Motek answered quite a few questions from me and gave me a better insight into a certain something.. 8)
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I nominate benzocaine as a great starting point
I've seen that mentioned elsewhere too (starting from toluene =) )
Do you happen to have a link handy to some 'underground' synthesis of benzocaine?
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As far as I'm aware, the only person who's backed you is Limetless, who even then, admits to having a 3rd party tell him if it was legit or not.
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The third party is the person who actually makes my UC so he does know his shit and two he did state it was a bit rough and he edited slightly. I did state that before. Also, I didn't talk about this in the forums but we did have a crack at making MDMA on a small trial scale and it did work but we used the edited version our chemist did of what DDW sent us. I did actually do a thread about it but was in the vendor forum. Although I think, as I've said in a comment perhaps on this thread or elsewhere, can't really remember to be honest that the fellas that did the trial did know what they were doing. Whereas in contrast I think sometimes people rush into these things thinking it's going to be like making a cup of tea which is a little bit naive. I personally think DDW's guides are really meant for people that could practically use it in a serious way and not just Joe Blogs who wants to have a bash at chemistry.
Also to add I have not seen DDW's other guides regarding LSD or any of the others so I'm I can't comment on this.
I'm not punting DDW here or arguing chemistry because I have no background in this field to comment I'm just putting my experience on the table. Overall I would say that DDW's info was useful to us because it pointed us in the right direction but then we dug up the journals and cross referenced them.
Just wanted to be clear on that.
So we trust him essentially as much as we trust your judgement of a 3rd party chemist who said he's legit? I'm not suggesting that you are involved in any kind of scamming etc. I'm just saying that we are essentially trading one anonymous self-proclaimed expert for another anonymous dealer who's own expert is backing them.
If I were to buy his $550 guide for sassafras > MDMA.HCL, to find that it was essentially a re-worded rhodium synth that could be found after a few minutes on google(which has been heavily implied previously) I'd be pretty pissed off, but if I were some kid with too much money and not enough sense wanting to make MDMA, they are likely to become overconfident and hurt themselves.
"Very little to no chemistry knowledge required!
This is not an advanced technical paper, anyone that is intelligent and can follow instructions can do this. If you can cook anything other than easy-mac you can pull this off!"
Quoted directly from his listing.
Well considering that the 3rd party is the guy who makes my products then yes, I think you should trust my judgement tbh lol given his skills and my products reputation. There was only a minor edit in the process, the rest of the editing was just cutting bits out we didn't need to do because we could buy the precursors ourselves instead of needing to make them like when the fella was talking about making Methylamine, we don't need to make Methylamine because we can just buy it in but unless you have good connections then you aren't going to be able to do that so you'd need them.
I actually believe I said it above that we used our edited version and made a trial amount which only came to a few grams but the reaction was successful.
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The third party is the person who actually makes my UC so he does know his shit and two he did state it was a bit rough and he edited slightly. I did state that before. Also, I didn't talk about this in the forums but we did have a crack at making MDMA on a small trial scale and it did work but we used the edited version our chemist did of what DDW sent us. I did actually do a thread about it but was in the vendor forum. Although I think, as I've said in a comment perhaps on this thread or elsewhere, can't really remember to be honest that the fellas that did the trial did know what they were doing. Whereas in contrast I think sometimes people rush into these things thinking it's going to be like making a cup of tea which is a little bit naive. I personally think DDW's guides are really meant for people that could practically use it in a serious way and not just Joe Blogs who wants to have a bash at chemistry.
Also to add I have not seen DDW's other guides regarding LSD or any of the others so I'm I can't comment on this.
I'm not punting DDW here or arguing chemistry because I have no background in this field to comment I'm just putting my experience on the table. Overall I would say that DDW's info was useful to us because it pointed us in the right direction but then we dug up the journals and cross referenced them.
Mate, my apologies, I do recall these comments you made and I might have taken them slightly out of context ::)
However I do 'question' the Fact that you Do Sell a number of the precursors in RP/DDW's syntheses :-\ 100gms of hydroxylamine for HOW much? :o
At very high prices as well, at least from my pov :o
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The third party is the person who actually makes my UC so he does know his shit and two he did state it was a bit rough and he edited slightly. I did state that before. Also, I didn't talk about this in the forums but we did have a crack at making MDMA on a small trial scale and it did work but we used the edited version our chemist did of what DDW sent us. I did actually do a thread about it but was in the vendor forum. Although I think, as I've said in a comment perhaps on this thread or elsewhere, can't really remember to be honest that the fellas that did the trial did know what they were doing. Whereas in contrast I think sometimes people rush into these things thinking it's going to be like making a cup of tea which is a little bit naive. I personally think DDW's guides are really meant for people that could practically use it in a serious way and not just Joe Blogs who wants to have a bash at chemistry.
Also to add I have not seen DDW's other guides regarding LSD or any of the others so I'm I can't comment on this.
I'm not punting DDW here or arguing chemistry because I have no background in this field to comment I'm just putting my experience on the table. Overall I would say that DDW's info was useful to us because it pointed us in the right direction but then we dug up the journals and cross referenced them.
Mate, my apologies, I do recall these comments you made and I might have taken them slightly out of context ::)
However I do 'question' the Fact that you Do Sell a number of the precursors in RP/DDW's syntheses :-\ 100gms of hydroxylamine for HOW much? :o
At very high prices as well, at least from my pov :o
No worries, these things happen. :)
If you really want to know what my relationship is with DDR it's nothing sordid. He gave me the Tech for free on the condition that once I had had the tech confirmed by my chemist so we could use it to try to make MDMA, the condition of it being free was that if my chemist confirmed it I would vouch for it which I had no issue doing because my guy gave it the green light and we subsequently used it to do a trial run and I'd also pay him a fee if we did a successful large synth.
I don't sell hydrolexamine mate, I have Red Phosphorous and P2NP available at the moment and Methylamine shortly.
Despite what that Overjoyed cretin thinks I don't talk shit fella and I do know enough to know whether something ain't legit or not and DDW's techs are legit. I probably wouldn't go as far to say that anyone could do it, requires a lot of background prep and practice but the info is good. Also if you were wondering about the 3-MMC/4-MMC thing he was on about (I noticed you commented on my thread) the HNMR and HPLC are there to view now.
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thanz for the reply limitless 8)
Mate as you say, and from MY pov, RP's just not being honest about the skill level needed ...which could turn to shit, in many ways!
AND he's asking A LOT of dough for data that's freely out there :-\
Anyhoo glad to sort that, I'm still not impressed with woody, But I wish you all the besy with your Biz if what you say is true
Please pardon my paraanoia :D...nice pot and time for bed :P
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thanz for the reply limitless 8)
Mate as you say, and from MY pov, RP's just not being honest about the skill level needed ...which could turn to shit, in many ways!
AND he's asking A LOT of dough that's freely out there :-\
Anyhoo glad to sort that, I'm still not impressed with woody, But I wish you all the besy with your Biz if what you say is true
Please pardon my paraanoia :D...nice pot and time for bed :P
No worries, happy to interject. :)
And yeah I maybe agree with you on that but I don't think it's malicious. I think also your point about the money is that if someone doesn't know what to look for in terms of the right journals etc then they wouldn't know how and where to look.
And thanks, have a good rest of your Monday. :)
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thanz for the reply limitless 8)
Mate as you say, and from MY pov, RP's just not being honest about the skill level needed ...which could turn to shit, in many ways!
AND he's asking A LOT of dough for data that's freely out there :-\
Anyhoo glad to sort that, I'm still not impressed with woody, But I wish you all the besy with your Biz if what you say is true
Please pardon my paraanoia :D...nice pot and time for bed :P
So let me get this straight, you are claiming that this info is available on the public internet, yet you are threatening to publish the guide on the forums to make some kind of point? How about you grow up and post links to these theoretical journals where one would be able to conglomerate the knowledge needed to independently replicate this synth?
Oh wait, I forgot, you are a shitty armchair chemist and couldn't do this if your life depended on it even if the information needed to replicate this synthesis could even be found on the internet. And once again, if it supposedly takes so much "skill" to pull this synthesis off, why do you refuse to take my bet and take my money? I'm a college drop out who has lit themselves on fire attempting to make drugs before, doesn't that make me the poster child of a chemist wannabe newb who should never be able to pull this off (according to you)? Seems like if you are not an ignorant hack who doesn't actually have a clue what you are talking about, the odds should be in your favor.
Seriously motek, either this borderline insane college drop out will pull off this very simple synthesis and make a quarter kilo of MDMA in one shot, or I'm going to blow myself up and probably get arrested again. If you are not willing to put your money where your mouth is, shut the fuck up and get stay out of this thread with your paranoid ramblings.
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shitty armchair chemist and couldn't do this if your life depended on it even if the information needed to replicate this synthesis could even be found on the internet.
Lol armchair chemist was something I used earlier haha.
I'm not going to interfere in this hullabaloo but I think you are both deliberately missing the bigger picture. Why don't you just call it quits, let popper crack on and motek you can use your day more productively, just an idea....
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Exactly, Popper, you need to stop blowing up, you have a trip wire temper so just relax. You need steady hands for that synth boy.
I'm out of this thread, for the people that have bothered to listen, i congratulate you, the ones that obviously havent, then i wish you a good morning.
And i know i wont be seeing you again, so good afternoon, good evening and goodnight...
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Exactly, Popper, you need to stop blowing up, you have a trip wire temper so just relax. You need steady hands for that synth boy.
I don't need to stop doing anything. People who are posting false accusations and misinformation should shut the fuck up and stay out of this thread. Funny how motek and yourself never actually respond to a single one of my points, as it is much easier to keep making ad hominem attacks and resume posting different misinformation/lies in a manner that borderlines schizophrenic. Thank you for finally doing everyone a favor and running away, you are clearly not cut out for this debate.
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How about you grow up and post links to these theoretical journals where one would be able to conglomerate the knowledge needed to independently replicate this synth?
I DID ... about 20 pages back .... i guess you didn't see them ::)
LOL ad hominem 'attacks' was what I accused DDW of doing ... oh about 20 odd pages back :-\
Did you actually bother to read the thread? Do you not believe me when I say I HAVE a copy of RP's mdma synth
Duuude I actually wished you good luck AND GAVE YOU a MUCH better way of making CH3NH2 BUT no mention of that?
I'm out of here too .... those that can learn have already, as for you pops, I hope at least it's "nice" tar you 'make' ;D
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I DID ... about 20 pages back .... i guess you didn't see them
Duuude I actually wished you good luck AND GAVE YOU a MUCH better way of making CH3NH2 BUT no mention of that
You posted brightstar's synthesis which is the first result on google and has nothing to do with this guide. I don't care about the hexamine method because there is no viable way for me to procure hexamine while para paraformaldehyde can be found at the tractor store. I have a record for manufacturing and I'm not about to leave a paper trail that might suggest that I'm at it again.
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Any successful synths using this method?
All I want is a yes or a no.
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Any successful synths using this method?
All I want is a yes or a no.
I just said yeah but it was small-scale.
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Any successful synths using this method?
All I want is a yes or a no.
I just said yeah but it was small-scale.
There we have it, the answer to this whole thread. Is everybody happy now? ;D
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Not sure what to believe, i met Doc on OVDB quite a while back, we had some small discussions (friendly ones though) and i know for one that he knows his shit. When reading the sales page of this synthesis it just seems that everybody that can bake a cake is able to perform the synthesis, as much as i'd like to believe DDW or Motek i have doubt on both sides, the angel on my shoulder says that the DDW synthesis is dead easy, easy to follow, no need to read all college books of basic & Organic Chemistry, but the devil on my shoulder just takes a crystal ball (non MDMA) and just shows me a beginner that has bought the guide with full joy, already completed the synthesis in their head but when the reality sinks in their left on a location, with dangerous chemicals that could easily blind or even worse kill you, everything has been setup, and suddently it isn't as easy as they thought. Now the 550 USD guide, isn't that cheap anymore.
I've contacted DDW a while back and asked him a few questions regarding safety, he replied to just one question which was about the length of the synthesis. Don't get me wrong he's a busy man but you should answer questions regarding safety surrounding chemicals, protective gear, safety precautions etc etc
Much love, Operation Shulgin.
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Any successful synths using this method?
All I want is a yes or a no.
I just said yeah but it was small-scale.
There we have it, the answer to this whole thread. Is everybody happy now? ;D
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Not sure what to believe, i met Doc on OVDB quite a while back, we had some small discussions (friendly ones though) and i know for one that he knows his shit. When reading the sales page of this synthesis it just seems that everybody that can bake a cake is able to perform the synthesis, as much as i'd like to believe DDW or Motek i have doubt on both sides, the angel on my shoulder says that the DDW synthesis is dead easy, easy to follow, no need to read all college books of basic & Organic Chemistry, but the devil on my shoulder just takes a crystal ball (non MDMA) and just shows me a beginner that has bought the guide with full joy, already completed the synthesis in their head but when the reality sinks in their left on a location, with dangerous chemicals that could easily blind or even worse kill you, everything has been setup, and suddently it isn't as easy as they thought. Now the 550 USD guide, isn't that cheap anymore.
I've contacted DDW a while back and asked him a few questions regarding safety, he replied to just one question which was about the length of the synthesis. Don't get me wrong he's a busy man but you should answer questions regarding safety surrounding chemicals, protective gear, safety precautions etc etc
Much love, Operation Shulgin.
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The cristal ball is right. Bought it thinking it would be easy as shit and I can tell you that's not the case.
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The cristal ball is right. Bought it thinking it would be easy as shit and I can tell you that's not the case.
Thanx for your honesty brian .... check your pm's for some pretty good info to start with ... For FREE ;D
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Found this little gem from jnemonic in my inbox this morning.
Who the fuck is running is running away from anything?
Your either a fucking shill of RP's, or simply get off being so fucking one sided.
I dont give a rats fucking arse who you are, or what you want to do.
But your a dumb fuck for buying that guide. I have the guide, and you have been ripped off to no end.
Yep, we all fucking have it, was kindly spread around by a forum member who had so many coins he didnt give a shit and wanted a few people to see it and have it.
Dont burn yourself this time. ;),
Well if he needs it spelled out I will.
You come into this thread defending motek and bashing ddw. I rip apart moteks posts and quash your critisms. Instead of responding to my well thought out responses, you post that you are done with this thread and claim you've done the community a service by posting your flawed arguments which you apparently no longer have time to defend. However you stilll seem to have time to read my posts and PM me more idiotic bullshit. In my opinion, this does in fact make you a coward and you are in fact is running away is running away.
I'm totally ddw's human heart seeking popper making alter ego. I cant believe ive been found out.
And frankly, you are making quite a bold statement by claiming I was ripped off. The value of information is very subjective and despite what you and motek claim this synthesis is not on the clearweb or journals. You guys post brighstars's synthesis as if that actually has any relavence to this discussion other than the fact free information does exist on the Internet. Frankly I could give two shits about that free guide, its not feasible for someone with my resources to perform on the scale I would like. I only intend to perform one MDMA synthesis and be done with it, it is simply not worth the risk to me as I am perfectly happy with my current job and financial situation. This is being done strictly as a favor and not a single cent of profit will be realized for myself.
And guess what? I didn't pay a penny for this guide. This operation is being financed entirley by the people who took a crazy homeless person with chemical burns off the street and put him back on his feet to live his dream running his own popper empire and collecting human hearts. If it were not for this guide, I would not have felt comfortable making MDMA. They are only paying for the cost of materials plus the guide, which altogether is dirt cheap for the amount I will be making. Who exactly loses out in this arrangement again?
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Any successful synths using this method?
All I want is a yes or a no.
I just said yeah but it was small-scale.
There we have it, the answer to this whole thread. Is everybody happy now? ;D
OT:
Not sure what to believe, i met Doc on OVDB quite a while back, we had some small discussions (friendly ones though) and i know for one that he knows his shit. When reading the sales page of this synthesis it just seems that everybody that can bake a cake is able to perform the synthesis, as much as i'd like to believe DDW or Motek i have doubt on both sides, the angel on my shoulder says that the DDW synthesis is dead easy, easy to follow, no need to read all college books of basic & Organic Chemistry, but the devil on my shoulder just takes a crystal ball (non MDMA) and just shows me a beginner that has bought the guide with full joy, already completed the synthesis in their head but when the reality sinks in their left on a location, with dangerous chemicals that could easily blind or even worse kill you, everything has been setup, and suddently it isn't as easy as they thought. Now the 550 USD guide, isn't that cheap anymore.
I've contacted DDW a while back and asked him a few questions regarding safety, he replied to just one question which was about the length of the synthesis. Don't get me wrong he's a busy man but you should answer questions regarding safety surrounding chemicals, protective gear, safety precautions etc etc
Much love, Operation Shulgin.
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The cristal ball is right. Bought it thinking it would be easy as shit and I can tell you that's not the case.
LOL at this post. That's you're own stupid fault then because organic chemistry is never easy. It's not like baking a batch of muffins lol, the variables that can influence success or failure are massive even coming down to something like the room temperature being to cold or hot or even there being heavy moisture in the air. I'm all for people giving stuff a go but for Christ sake do your homework before hand and prepare and read the academic journals as well. If you can't be arsed to do that then don't even get off your sofa FFS.
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I knew you were either going to paste that here or to woody.
This just shows how much of a school kid you really are.
I wanted to keep that off this thread, but you..being a kid, paste it here anyway.
Ha ha you think i give a shit that you posted my little pm to you here?
This just shows everyone how childish and immature you are. Grow up and please go away.
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I knew you were either going to paste that here or to woody.
This just shows how much of a school kid you really are.
I wanted to keep that off this thread, but you..being a kid, paste it here anyway.
Ha ha you think i give a shit that you posted my little pm to you here?
This just shows everyone how childish and immature you are. Grow up and please go away.
Keep what off the thread? The fact that you never respond to my points and pretty much rely on ad hominem attacks and circle jerk to motek's schizo posts?
So lets get this straight, I'm the one who paid for this synth and intend to use it and yet I'm supposed to sit back and watch a bunch of morons shit up my favorite SR vendor's thread? Your pm reveals a lot about your character (you are scum) and I'd love to share it with everyone here much like you shared ddw's private synthesis with all your cheap ass scummy friends. I think it's genuinely funny you think an insane person would take any offence to be called childish and immature. Was that supposed to hurt my feelings or are you just trying to provoke some kind of crazy response from a crazy person?
We'll see who has the last laugh when I finish synthesizing my ammonium chloride.
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I can't help but laugh to myself when I think about how the tards shit on DDW without base and then call me names and refuse to defend themselves when I call them out. Motek has yet to respond to the fact that I've pointed out that she has openly lied and mislead people in the posts I've quoted.
I've said it at least once, but I will break it down for everyone here once again.
Can you measure liquids and solids accurately?
Can you use separatory funnel?
Do you understand how distillation works?
Do you know how to read a thermometer?
If you can do all of these things, I'm not sure why you can't perform this synthesis. You really don't even need an advanced understanding of chemistry, trust me I sure as hell don't. It's very simple memorization at worst, much like how once Jesse in Breaking Bad gets his shit together he is able to follow Walter's recipe almost perfectly by himself. This is why I refuse to take the title of chemist despite what my investors say; I am a simple cook and nothing more. Maybe you guys should lay off that herb and things might get a bit clearer and you'll be able to actually get of your ass.
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Poppers YOU are a complete tweakin fuckwit ....and here's just a few reasons why :P
I know you wouldn't believe me IF I TOLD you DDW pm'd me to aks "how it could be made better?"
Well .... I chose just ONE subject for him ... which he could improve significantly ..... as for the rest ??? well, MY "consulting" doesnt come cheap to fuckwits like you and him ;D
I don't care about the hexamine method because there is no viable way for me to procure hexamine
Ahhh FUCK IT ....Read and enjoy .... and as for you Pooper, hexamine IS VERY fuckin available :-\
Buti I guess you'd rather get formaldehyde POISONING! Enjoy that ;D
here you go matey ... enjoy!
SHIT! It's even beyond me :o coz there's several rather important bits missing
(that at least I'm aware of).... like I said to him "the devil's in the details"
As for a noob, even a very smart one, I'd say they'd end up with bugger all mdx and a shitload of 'tar' ::) /
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Lol, I have a respirator that will protect me from formaldehyde just fine. Without explaining how to get the hexamine your "improvement" is useless. I refuse to order precursors off the Internet. And frankly I have no interest in buying and extracting a billion esbit tablets. Please explain where I can go in person and buy at least a kilo of hexamine without drawing attention to myself and I'll happily wake up first thing in the morning and do it.
Your criticism on the link for methylamine is baseless. There is no need to rewrite the whole process, you are seriously missing the point of the guide (the rest of which is unique).
Call me a tweaker all you want, everyone can read my posts pointing out exactly how much of an ignorant liar you are which you have not even tried to defend once. Now that you've proven how much of a scumbag you are by posting the guide, how about you point out exactly what's going to cause tar to form rather than MDMA. All you've done so far is bitch that he used a well known method to synthesize methylamine. Either that or stop being a coward and take my bet that I will not produce a quarter kilo of product of at least 90% purity on my first shot. Now that the guide is public I don't have a problem recording myself doing it just so everyone can see exactly how full of shit you are and how easy this process is. This would be with the permission of DDW of course.
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I know you wouldn't believe me IF I TOLD you DDW pm'd me to aks "how it could be made better?"
You are an idiot. He included that link because it would be pointless to rewrite an already perfect method. The rest of the guide is original. Your hexamine method is not an improvement, it is alternative for people who feel like going through the trouble of getting hexamine. I'm not about to leave a paper trail so you can fuck off with that shit.
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Hey motek before you start bitching about conspiracies keep in mind stolen goods are not allowed on the Road you worthless piece of shit. Maybe try to stick to what you are good at (doing heroin).
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FYI popper machine I posted ddw synth guide on a certain chem/ drug synth forum and everybody says dude is a just joke. And also a con artist. His guide is severely horrible and u can find a better guide for free.
;D Thanx Brian..and NICE one 8) I would have been embarassed to have done that myself :-[
the result was inevitable, just as you have described 8) I have been watching you quietly make what seemed fair and reasonable posts, plus you seemed like the ONLY guy who HAD genuinely obtained the MDMA synth 8) (as did motek, at a later stage)
It is this 'neutrality' which gives your comments such weight!
I have NO DOUBT any decent 'clanchem' site would rip this guy to shreds in seconds .... as for me, I'm just a noob who know better than to waste my breath answering posters like poopers anymore :P
Cheers Brian and +1's whenever I can me man ;)
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Can scout offer any explanation for this?
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so there hasnt been a single verified synth from these guides yet?
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FYI popper machine I posted ddw synth guide on a certain chem/ drug synth forum and everybody says dude is a just joke. And also a con artist. His guide is severely horrible and u can find a better guide for free.
Mind sharing which forum, and what exactly the joke is? Because up until now I've been holding my tongue but a very similar method is actually discussed in 2009 (which I'm sure people would give DDW unjustified shit for, hence why I have not brought it up) and they all seem to think that it's legitimate. I am but a humble insane person who knows nothing about chemistry but I'm confident you are lying or exaggerating. And most likely buthurt that an insane college drop out will be completing this synthesis while you bitch that figuring out how to use an addition funnel is too much work. Or what was it again that you were vaguely complaining about before this supposed synth forum came into play? Too complicated?
so there hasnt been a single verified synth from these guides yet?
Chill your dick bro. Someone already verified it on a small scale and I'm confident I will have a finished product to show off within the time period that I've already specified. Other trusted members have confirmed that DDW at the very least knows his shit.
Can scout offer any explanation for this?
How about this explanation? Behavior like this is definitely against the spirit of the road and will discourage vendors such as DDW from even bothering to offer the goods that they generously put up for sale. That seems like a good and obvious enough reason to me. I think I'm going to start publishing "my" version of the synthesis on the clearweb. They will look nearly identical in format and writing style except for the fact that my version will yield absolute garbage. Non chemists can have fun figuring out which one is the real deal. I have no idea if this will accomplish anything at all, but I think it's really really funny.
I have NO DOUBT any decent 'clanchem' site would rip this guy to shreds in seconds .... as for me, I'm just a noob who know better than to waste my breath answering posters like poopers anymore :P
Wait, are you implying you answered one of my posts? Ever? Even once? Addressed anything I've said to you? Can someone please at least comment on this as I'm starting to worry that I'm more insane that I let on because there is no way you are going to post this and nobody else is going to call you out on it.
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=45417.msg990794#msg990794
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Can scout offer any explanation for this?
I think I'm going to start publishing "my" version of the synthesis on the clearweb. They will look nearly identical in format and writing style except for the fact that my version will yield absolute garbage. Non chemists can have fun figuring out which one is the real deal. I have no idea if this will accomplish anything at all, but I think it's really really funny.
That is just idiotic. Why would you even post about something like this ?
People of SR community invested a few thousand hours teaching about GPG, OPSEC, shipping, etc. Free.
Where exactly does selling "optimized information" (this is not a novel work of DDW) fit in with that community ?
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That is just idiotic. Why would you even post about something like this ?
I think you are one of the few people on here who truly understand me. I really wish I were not such a shit head, I would do anything to know what it felt like to be smart. I have no justification for anything I have done or said up until this point, I am literally just good old fashioned insane.
People of SR community invested a few thousand hours teaching about GPG, OPSEC, shipping, etc. Free.
I think you'd have to be almost as insane as I am to not see the false premise here. Yes, chemical synthesis used for the production of drugs is totally in the same league as basic security that everyone who uses the SR is effected by on the most basic level. Also, selling information regarding advanced methods to secure yourself as well as extra stealthy shipping/smuggling guides should be banned. All security information should be mandatory open sourced.
Where exactly does selling "optimized information" (this is not a novel work of DDW) fit in with that community ?
If this is not a novel work of DDW, mind posting sources he used to put it together? Maybe I don't understand what you mean by this.
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FYI popper machine I posted ddw synth guide on a certain chem/ drug synth forum and everybody says dude is a just joke. And also a con artist. His guide is severely horrible and u can find a better guide for free.
;D Thanx Brian..and NICE one 8) I would have been embarassed to have done that myself :-[
the result was inevitable, just as you have described 8) I have been watching you quietly make what seemed fair and reasonable posts, plus you seemed like the ONLY guy who HAD genuinely obtained the MDMA synth 8) (as did motek, at a later stage)
It is this 'neutrality' which gives your comments such weight!
I have NO DOUBT any decent 'clanchem' site would rip this guy to shreds in seconds .... as for me, I'm just a noob who know better than to waste my breath answering posters like poopers anymore :P
Cheers Brian and +1's whenever I can me man ;)
Thanks bro. I just like to give my honest opinion, nothing more, nothing less. To popper machine, I have ZERO chem knowledge. After going over the guide I am not confident I can do a successful synthbased on that alone. I'm not saying it is or isn't legit, just saying what many have said about it. For saying that anyone with no chem exp. Can do it from his guide alone I think is complete bs. I'm no genious but I'm far from dumb. I need to do a lot of reading/learning before I can do a synth comfortably. And to Dr.deep woods request I have removed his guide from the forum I posted it on. My bad ddw!
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Thanks bro. I just like to give my honest opinion, nothing more, nothing less. To popper machine, I have ZERO chem knowledge. After going over the guide I am not confident I can do a successful synthbased on that alone. I'm not saying it is or isn't legit, just saying what many have said about it. For saying that anyone with no chem exp. Can do it from his guide alone I think is complete bs. I'm no genious but I'm far from dumb. I need to do a lot of reading/learning before I can do a synth comfortably. And to Dr.deep woods request I have removed his guide from the forum I posted it on. My bad ddw!
Sooo... Which part exactly are you incapable of doing? Distillation? Separatory funnel? adding flask A to flask B? Or did you think this guide would actually allow you to understand the chemistry behind what you are doing? Frankly, I think you are being intimidated by the length of the guide and words/chemicals you've probably never heard before. Pretty sure it says in the add exactly what you should be familiar with before you should try to pull it off. I don't think anyone would say that the fact that you need to do background reading to be comfortable makes the guide BS. I did a lot of background reading too, to the point where I actually found a very similar method to DDW's method deep on the clearweb. This is because while I am insane, I am also very serious about what I am doing. Looking back at when I first got the guide, I believe I could have completed the synth without background reading just by following the step by step instructions. Would I have been comfortable? Hell no, I would have been putting quite a large amount of time, resources, and freedom on the line and taking a massive leap of faith. Who wants to try and do that even if it's theoretically possible?
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If this is not a novel work of DDW, mind posting sources he used to put it together?
try Rhodium for starters Pooper ;) There ya go, I answered you sincerely!
Would I have been comfortable? Hell no, I would have been putting quite a large amount of time, resources, and freedom on the line and taking a massive leap of faith. Who wants to try and do that even if it's theoretically possible?
And yet, you already have/are :o At least you know you're a spinner ...the ole captcha-22 eh? :o
I did a lot of background reading too, to the point where I actually found a very similar method to DDW's method deep on the clearweb. This is because while I am insane, I am also very serious about what I am doing.
Oh! Now I understand ... that makes perfect sense Poops, go hard bro ;)
As for the rest, the best are better hidden than the SR, and for a "mad genuis" like yourself you should have no trouble finding them, with your devious methods, good luck Poopy ;D
PS. hey have you got one of those temperature thingy's poops? ya know ... a, a...thermomomometer! I hear they're the shizzle and somehow help!
P.S what kind of vacuum are you using? I use a Dyson ... coz they have special properties that are better than Hoovers (sorry Hoover, but the Truth is True :D)
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try Rhodium for starters Pooper ;) There ya go, I answered you sincerely!
What, you mean this?
Subject: Iodosafrole Secrets: the DMSO Method
Date: 1997/05/08
The iodosafrole method of producing MDMA and MDA is indeed viable; being one
of those multikilagram processes here in the Netherlands someone was asking
about.
The key is using the DMSO method of producing anhydrous HI. NaI is dissolved
in DMSO and then an equimolar amount of H2SO4 is added. Na2SO4 precips out.
The reason the process works is that DMSO has the peculiar property of
dissolving lots of NaI. (the solubility is much higher for NaI than for
NaBr, making the HI process much better for large qty- make note of this you
crank manufacturers) (will phoshorus and iodine be obsoleted?? :)
And DMSO makes such acids particularly active. And HI is not likely to
cleave ether substituted allyl benzenes like apiole, asarone, and myristicin.
(See Feiser and Feiser in Reagents for Organic Synthesis vol. 1 for details)
Extraction of iodosafrole left to your own imagination. Our trade secret!!
Finally, amination is done at room temp with methylamine for MDMA or with
hexamine (via Delepine process) to get MDA or other analog.
Happy trails! Pugsley and Wednesday.
How mind blowingly useful to someone without chemistry knowledge. Maybe you can try a non idiotic response this time? If you are going to make the claim that this is not a novel synthesis POST FUCKING PROOF. Telling someone that you have proof that they are wrong but and refusing to post it and then demanding that your opponent "go find" the evidence does nothing but make you look like a total douche. This is like me claiming that I know you are a narc and that the evidence is right there plain as day with nothing but a couple google searches with the right keywords. Search harder newb.
As for the rest, the best are better hidden than the SR, and for a "mad genuis" like yourself you should have no trouble finding them, with your devious methods, good luck Poopy ;D
I've explicitly stated multiple times I am not smart. Why are you calling me a genius?
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Ok Popper maybe I'm not being fair on you :-\ (but I had trouble reading that quote :P at the top of the page)
Honestly mate, it's EXACTLY people like yourself I am warning about these "guides" and how, no matter HOW MUCH ENTHUSIASM you might have, AS WELL AS having all the 'required precursors and equipment' ..... DDW's "guides to 1KG MDMA Easy" are a load of rubbish .. and organic chemistry IS NOT AS EASY as "mixing A with B and wacking it on the stove for a bit, then adding water (which 'type' do You use mate? What DID the good Dr suggest?
Here is a question RP pm'd my SR user name the other day AFTER I sent him a copy of "his synthesis" ::)
3 days read
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ron paul(99) what would you do better in this synthesis?
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to which I replied
hey ron, so you're asking $580 for this ....? I can sell you MUCH better data for half the price (i only accept Btc's) which you could use, because this is VERY outdated and garbled at best.
"am Dr. DeepWood and I am an expert at clandestine chemistry. I have been elbows deep in the trenches and up to my ass in the library. I know what I'm doing and am here to spread the love."
SO is this how YOU do it? (
HERE => I gave him a complete copy of his synth ... (which I'm not 'allowed' to apparently ???) and followed up with this below...
Would you like me to post it on the "Any successful RP/DDW synths OR in Ru's chemistry thread?
Tell me "why I shouldn't" and considering you "offered that motek dude a FREE copy" and then RE-NEGGED on doing so!
I reckon this will 'show those on the know" ... you are a greedy selfish thing, who SHOULDN'T HAVE a vendors account, let alone 99% feedback!!! (which seems to be all the same ... shill feedback from your partners in crime!)
Not to worry,I can change that .... If you DONT WANT IT posted on the forums, for FREE for ALL to see, unless you make me an offer I cant refuse, it shall be lol!
And then you shall be reported to SR admin as the lying scoundrel you (and your mates.."we" both KNOW who 'they' are!) for making dishonest claims about your 'products' and asking outrageous prices for FREE information (one of many rhodium's methylamine synths!) you STATE are "unique" and "only known to a select few, or some such shit!)
You picked on the wrong girly this time mister! People dont like scammers who "sell" half arsed data!
AND...there's NOT ONE "tip or trick" in your "guides" that's not well known in the dreaming community!
FFS you haven't even mentioned using the easy hexamethylenetetramine and Hcl to make Aluminium chloride/methyalamine method...seriously? And saying acetone is 'watched' ... and DMF isn't? Dude you're tripping!
"Prepare methylamine as per rhodium synth" http://www.erowid.org/archive/rhodium/clandestine/methylamine/index.html
WTF?! YOU SAID "nothing" in your guides could be found on Rhodium!
I've been following that thread with interest .... and this will be added as "proof" ..... "The truth IS true" ron , and there's NO WAY a noob with SFA organic chemistry experience, especially with lab techniques, could pull this off ....You, of all people should know that, "the devil's in the details" and you have left many details out!
As for the people who went on about your lack of safety concerns and information .... they were spot on!
"If I was lacking somewhere, please let others know. If you want to bitch about the price, this is the place to do it. " Ok will do!
Looking forward to your reply! Oh, and I'll happily supply SR admin this PM, if you try and lie (as you do)
Happy now? ???
PS .... Oh, I forgot to mention, RP has even GONE SO FAR as to OFFER $5000 (5k) to another member for my address :o :o :o :o :o fortunately like ALL good members he would NEVER DO such a thing ... some people are 'good people with cool heads' who can see/read a scammer at fifty paces 8)
this was promptly relayed to SR Admin ... who are now looking into this 8) (finally :P)
And YES I CAN PROVE ALL THIS ... just dont think I'm going to on these forums .... I said my piece ... Take it or leave it
For ALL of you who helped put up "The Good Fight" ... you know who you are ... and So do I, and I'd like to say "much thanx for all you did" ... even the tiniest bits of truth/honesty helped ...
And the moral support was gratefully received, as some of these bastards had me feel like like I was banging my head against the wall ....
and we all know the BEST PART of banging your head against a wall ...... is stopping ;D
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Honestly mate, it's EXACTLY people like yourself I am warning about these "guides" and how, no matter HOW MUCH ENTHUSIASM you might have, AS WELL AS having all the 'required precursors and equipment' ..... DDW's "guides to 1KG MDMA Easy" are a load of rubbish .. and organic chemistry IS NOT AS EASY as "mixing A with B and wacking it on the stove for a bit, then adding water (which 'type' do You use mate? What DID the good Dr suggest?
So which part is rubbish exactly? You keep refusing to post anything specific other than the bullshit methylamine criticism. If his methods are well known by everyone in underground chemistry scene start posting proof. I have the guide and it all seems to check out. I'm pretty sure it really is that easy, and you have yet to provide evidence that it isn't. I only ever use distilled water when it comes to chemical reactions, something I've learned while I first started perfecting my synthesis of alkyl nitrites. Who the fuck uses an open stove for shit like this? Pretty sure hotplate/stirrer and oil bath is the way to go...
hey ron, so you're asking $580 for this ....? I can sell you MUCH better data for half the price (i only accept Btc's) which you could use, because this is VERY outdated and garbled at best.
So if I had $290 to blow I could buy your "better" guide from you and then expose you as the useless hack that you are? Seems like a pretty good deal to me.
Tell me "why I shouldn't" and considering you "offered that motek dude a FREE copy" and then RE-NEGGED on doing so!
That was really obvious sarcasm you idiot, he even pointed it out. Are you really that stupid?
Not to worry,I can change that .... If you DONT WANT IT posted on the forums, for FREE for ALL to see, unless you make me an offer I cant refuse, it shall be lol!
Sooo.... you threatened to blackmail a vendor basically? Can someone ban this cunt please?
AND...there's NOT ONE "tip or trick" in your "guides" that's not well known in the dreaming community!
Sooo.... Post proof? Don't bitch that you can't post the guide here and then refuse to post the sources which lead you to believe that the guide is a collection of well known information. That makes you look like a very incompetent liar.
And saying acetone is 'watched' ... and DMF isn't? Dude you're tripping!
The warning is a fair one because you can buy acetone without a second glance at home depot but ordering anhydrous stuff online is very suspicious, which is not common knowledge.
WTF?! YOU SAID "nothing" in your guides could be found on Rhodium!
You're lying.
I've been following that thread with interest .... and this will be added as "proof" ..... "The truth IS true" ron , and there's NO WAY a noob with SFA organic chemistry experience, especially with lab techniques, could pull this off ....You, of all people should know that, "the devil's in the details" and you have left many details out!
So I don't count? Why won't you take my bet? I told you that if you can't afford it (which is probably the case judging by the fact that you were begging for spare BTC probably to buy heroin) you could put up a human heart as collateral. You are literally saying that there is no risk at all that you will lose, so it seems you are quite the cowardly little bitch.
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Hey motek, how about if I pull this off, I get all of your alleged lab notes you were trying to blackmail DDW into buying. I fail, you get the BTC that you value your guide at (half of what DDW's guide cost, as you previously stated.) Seems pretty fair, no? I'm sure we can set this whole thing up in escrow even.
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popper you lost all/any chance of having me "on side" a looooooong time ago
it pays to read and think before you type .. or dont type shitfaced if you're the type of person who would say on drugs what you would say differently in the morning ... by differently, I mean pretty much 'the opposite" to what you did say
I don't like those kinds of poople, I guess you're one of them ....???
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popper you lost all/any chance of having me "on side" a looooooong time ago
it pays to read and think before you type .. or dont type shitfaced if you're the type of person who would say on drugs what you would say differently in the morning ... by differently, I mean pretty much 'the opposite" to what you did say
I don't like those kinds of poople, I guess you're one of them ....???
I'm not trying to have you on my side. I'm trying to prove my point that you are a worthless coward who is bluffing about chemistry information you certainly don't have. You're saying there is no way I will complete this synth, yet you won't take my money in a formal bet your only collateral being some information that you claim to have gotten for free on the internet. Sounds like you are turning down free money to me. I think it's pretty funny that you think I'm on drugs while I post, I do not even smoke weed yet you are clearly an opiate addict.
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motek fuckin POSTED THE WHOLE SYNTH HERE
But it was removed by scout for reasons unknown :-\
Good name for a piece :-\of shit poopsy ;D
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motek fuckin POSTED THE WHOLE SYNTH HERE
Yes, and you PM'd DDW claiming that you had better chemistry notes that you would blackmail him into buying for half the price of his guide in exchange for your silence. I want to see those notes, because either they are not of the same caliber of what DDW is selling or they don't exist, and I would love to expose you.
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Hey motek, how about if I pull this off, I get all of your alleged lab notes you were trying to blackmail DDW into buying. I fail, you get the BTC that you value your guide at (half of what DDW's guide cost, as you previously stated.) Seems pretty fair, no? I'm sure we can set this whole thing up in escrow even.
Funny how you call motek stupid saying but then you think motek was really trying to sell ddw anything? Sarcasm. You are the only person praising his guide which I can't figure out why since I'm pretty sure I read you haven't synthed anything yet, correct me if I'm wrong though. EVERY person who read that guide had nothing positive to say about his guide, and don't agree with the fact that any noon could/should try a synth with no chem exp. Following his guide. And many members from the site reccomend starting with a different guide if I remember right which is bright stars synth. And guess what? Its free.
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And popper you say dude is a scumbag for posting the guide? Why it should be free. Should only be paying for his consultation.
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Funny how you call motek stupid saying but then you think motek was really trying to sell ddw anything? Sarcasm.
hey ron, so you're asking $580 for this ....? I can sell you MUCH better data for half the price (i only accept Btc's) which you could use, because this is VERY outdated and garbled at best.
You call this sarcasm?
You are the only person praising his guide which I can't figure out why since I'm pretty sure I read you haven't synthed anything yet, correct me if I'm wrong though.
I have completed some of the required workups for the precursors. Correct me if I'm wrong but I've already specified a time frame in which I will complete this synthesis.
EVERY person who read that guide had nothing positive to say about his guide, and don't agree with the fact that any noon could/should try a synth with no chem exp.
Wrong, someone clearly posted that they tried it on a small scale and that it worked. The few people without any chemistry knowledge or even a basic interest in actually completing this synthesis who have posted here do not have opinions worth jack shit. If you've already made up in your mind that you can't do it, of course your not going to bother trying.
And many members from the site reccomend starting with a different guide if I remember right which is bright stars synth. And guess what? Its free.
Who, members like motek who have no idea what they are talking about? Sorry, I think I'm going to pass and use the one pot virtually OTC synthesis I just paid for that can pretty much be completed start to finish entirely in modified mason jars. Get a clue.
And popper you say dude is a scumbag for posting the guide? Why it should be free. Should only be paying for his consultation.
He wrote it and wants to be compensated for it. If he wasn't going to get paid, he wouldn't have put it up as a listing and it would have never seen the light of day. $580 isn't jack shit and the guide pays for itself with ONE successful synthesis. Sounds like you are just some toolbag who wants to be "cool" by knowing how to make MDMA without having any intention of trying to do so and now you have buyers remorse. His consultations are free once you buy the guide.
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I've seen a copy of DDW's MDMA synth notes and I gotta say... it's a total scam. It's horribly written, is needlessly confusing, and uses a route that's NOTORIOUSLY difficult to achieve any success with, even for actual chemists. Of all the possible options that one can choose from, the bromosafrole route is the ABSOLUTE WORST choice for a first-time chemist. Have fun trying to roll on your black sludge of a final product. ;) There are so many places where you can fuck up that if you don't know what you're doing, you're going to make a mistake and you won't know how to fix it.
I honestly feel sorry for people like popper who have no idea how much they got fucked over. All DDW did was copy and paste the collective knowledge of countless other clandestine chemists into a shitty guide that's not worth $5, let alone $580. Hey, I can't fault him for trying (there's a sucker born every minute after all) and he might personally know his stuff, but just how ill-conceived and unrealistic this synth guide is pisses me off. To say that it goes against every tenant of the clandestine chemistry movement would be an understatement.
To anyone with aspirations of actually successfully completing this synth, here's some FREE advice:
1. Stop flushing your money down the toilet and pick up a god damn O Chem book. Learning what the fuck it is you're doing here will save your ass many times over. Simply following a "recipe" that you'll undoubtedly screw up isn't the right way to approach this. If you're too lazy to learn even the basics of Organic Chemistry, find a different hobby.
2. Learn some basic laboratory procedures, i.e. simple/fractional/vacuum distillation + reflux. Zubrick's O Chem lab survival guide is freely available online and will give you all the info you need to complete this synth.
3. Look into easier, more established routes that are FREELY available via a simple google search. (Hint: the most popular method involves Wacker oxidation of safrole into MDP2P). They're way more readable than DDW's guide, trust me on this one. ;D
4. Realize what you're getting yourself into. The actual synthesis is only one step of the process. Do you have another $1500-$2000 lying around to buy all the required chemicals and equipment? Do you know how to source these things whilst avoiding detection? Do you truly understand the risks that you're taking (i.e. prison sentence)? And last but not least, do you even know if your final yields will justify the time, effort, and risks involved (they probably won't)?
Oh, and there's a difference between "completing the workups for precursors" and actually successfully brominating your safrole, popper. You're so far from completing this synth, you're not even at the starting line.
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Thank you lesseroftwoweevils you are JUST what the Dr ordered ;D
To say that it goes against every tenant of the clandestine chemistry movement would be an understatement.
Sweet dreams bro ;)
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Okay, so I just read over motek's last few posts and I find this one VERY troubling...
"PS .... Oh, I forgot to mention, RP has even GONE SO FAR as to OFFER $5000 (5k) to another member for my address :o :o :o :o :o fortunately like ALL good members he would NEVER DO such a thing ... some people are 'good people with cool heads' who can see/read a scammer at fifty paces 8)"
That's the scariest fucking thing I've ever read here, I really hope that's a sick joke. Either DDW or motek has crossed a line here...
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Popper I'm not referring to the sr forums. I'm talking about a forum just for chemistry/drug synths etc. No positive remarks were said about his guide. Someone said it was lacking some needed info? And even if it was complete nobody reccomends you do it how he explains in ddw guide. All referred to a FREE guide which is a better place to start.
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Popper I'm not referring to the sr forums. I'm talking about a forum just for chemistry/drug synths etc. No positive remarks were said about his guide. Someone said it was lacking some needed info? And even if it was complete nobody reccomends you do it how he explains in ddw guide. All referred to a FREE guide which is a better place to start.
I know you are not referring to the SR forums.
Everything needed in the guide can pretty much be sourced OTC, hence why I was willing to give it a shot (and why it's taking me so long). I am strictly doing this for shits, I haven't invested a single penny of my own money into it and I don't expect a single penny out of it. If I do everything by RP's books and fail, I will join in with you guys crying foul. I am not a chemist, but I am very carful, and very good at following instructions. I am confused by the recent remarks by lesseroftwoevils, but I'm going to wait until I'm involved in fewer felonies before I respond the way I would like to.
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Well I will def be waiting since I don't know anything about chem either. Just going by what others said to me. I think my problem is I'm a better visual learner.
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I can't believe I just read through all this, but the other thread got me interested.
So, aside from the fact that nobody with zero prior chemistry knowledge claims to have made MDMA from the guide (the only claim I saw was from Limetless, but that was a skilled chemist), I'm wondering why anyone would do this, unless you plan to go large scale. It seems like a lot of work and money to synth drugs for your personal use, or just to sell small amounts. There's a reason why we specialize in modern society. It's efficient to do so, and in many cases it's only profitable to do something in large scale.
Why not leave the experts to making it and spend your time and money on enjoying it. :)
People are already making this at industrial scale, and the stuff on SR isn't adulterated with meth and bullshit like pressed pills used to be, so I'm wondering what the motivation is. Just a fun challenge.... that might land in prison for years?
BTW, here's a great site for (text)books: http://libgen.org
You can download over Tor, so it's safer that torrents. I found that Vogel book that's mentioned on the second page, although it's called Practical Organic Chemistry, not Organic Synthesis. Already had the Zubrick book (also from that site).
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People are already making this at industrial scale, and the stuff on SR isn't adulterated with meth and bullshit like pressed pills used to be, so I'm wondering what the motivation is. Just a fun challenge.... that might land in prison for years?
I have an extremely sick and twisted sense of entertainment. I hope you enjoyed my posts.
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Are the any disinterested parties that have successfully completed this synth?
I was willing to take Limetless at his word until I found out that he is an interested party, and is listed as a source for chemicals in this guide.
I don't care about any of the arguing back and forth. I just want to know if anyone has made MDMA with this synth, and if the claimed yields are correct.
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Are the any disinterested parties that have successfully completed this synth?
I was willing to take Limetless at his word until I found out that he is an interested party, and is listed as a source for chemicals in this guide.
I don't care about any of the arguing back and forth. I just want to know if anyone has made MDMA with this synth, and if the claimed yields are correct.
ROFLMAO ;D ;D ;D whichever way I take you nan I've gotta laugh ;D 8) You're joking yeah? :-\ After 28 pages without a 'genuine affirmative' and a LOT of hate at the naysayers of the credibility of the guide, the answer so far seem to be a pretty clear (you could say "crystal clear" :D) that that question must be answered, at least for the 'time being', is 'negatory' amigo ;)
motek out :-X
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I want to do it cuz 1. I love molly 2. I love making money and 3. I love a challenge and learning something new..... As long as it is interesting to me.
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I want to do it cuz 1. I love molly 2. I love making money and 3. I love a challenge and learning something new..... As long as it is interesting to me.
all the best bro nothing is fucking impossible in this world its just how much long ur willing to go for it and bearing up the consequences thats how i feel it,
if u need anything u know where to find me
good luck
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ONLY do it for #3 brian, that's the only onw owrth it, and even then..it's a serious business and hard work on your own ... it's easier and far safer to get your good molly from TSR ;o)
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Hello dear comunity!
After I tried first time tow years ago Lsd I became more interested in this subject.
I like so much the acid that I made a dream in sinthesizing it.
I have begin to read about chemistry and I can tell you that I like very much chemistry right now [ I was never understood chemistry when I was in school- my bad because is very easy- now the acid is motivating me]
The chemistry is easy but I can not make my dream become true without help....
The point is that I need someone like DW so...
Who can help me ?
I would love to see his[DW] Lsd notes but I have only about six coins right now and no money for continuing what I will find in his Lab Notes
I will wait and watch ...Sooner or later the real value of his lab notes will be revealed .
So..if anyone of you...If you have not the hidrazine method but peptide [correct me if I'm wrong]coupling method I would love to hear from you .
Google is not givng me back the easy&safe method...I know there is an easy method . Here easy means no dangerous to be clear.
I am not asking for free info...I am just asking for an alternative because here a few of you are thinkig DW is a scam or LE.
Regards,
C20
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brother C20 I would reccomend the 'ScienceMadness' forum to look up sophisticated home chemistry ..... or there's that russian forum that's got some excellent chemist on it...but I cant remember it's name at the moment, sorry bro (sythetikal IIRC :P) , maybe one of the other brothers might
But welcome and good luck, dont buy anything from this guy he's a con man and liar
bee careful out there C20
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This whole thing is such bullshit.
You can pay whatever hundreds of dollars for whatever writeup claims to teach you how to make X, but I will tell you for $0 that you will not succeed unless you have a lot of lab experience and very good technique. Alternatively, you could get someone to teach you IN PERSON how to do it and all of the 1000 details that matter. You can find all of the synthetic methods in any good chemistry library or PHIKAL, and if you don't know how to find those, then you don't have the background to succeed. It's not like getting pseudo and some matchheads (or whatever - please don't hold me to meth cooking techniques - I've seen Breaking Bad, but I forgot to take notes). There are a bunch of fairly complicated steps that have to go right and some tricky extractions and washings that go much better with experience. It also works a little easier at larger scale than you would probably be interested in or safe with, so that's a consideration, too.
Buy your X here at SR and do your chemical experiments on something easier. Like, for instance, extracting DMT - that seems like a possible winner and has plenty of free info on procedures. Once you've graduated from that and want to take on some real chemistry, try synthesizing your own DMT - that's not too hard, either, but requires some real chemistry technique so you can practice and have fun. Also, smaller amounts of DMT make for more fun than the equivalent amounts of MDMA.
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Hello dear comunity!
After I tried first time tow years ago Lsd I became more interested in this subject.
I like so much the acid that I made a dream in sinthesizing it.
I have begin to read about chemistry and I can tell you that I like very much chemistry right now [ I was never understood chemistry when I was in school- my bad because is very easy- now the acid is motivating me]
The chemistry is easy but I can not make my dream become true without help....
The point is that I need someone like DW so...
Who can help me ?
I would love to see his[DW] Lsd notes but I have only about six coins right now and no money for continuing what I will find in his Lab Notes
I will wait and watch ...Sooner or later the real value of his lab notes will be revealed .
So..if anyone of you...If you have not the hidrazine method but peptide [correct me if I'm wrong]coupling method I would love to hear from you .
Google is not givng me back the easy&safe method...I know there is an easy method . Here easy means no dangerous to be clear.
I am not asking for free info...I am just asking for an alternative because here a few of you are thinkig DW is a scam or LE.
Regards,
C20
i found this in clear net im not sure this is exactly what ur looking for but think it will help
dichloromethane, the organic layers were combined and rotary evaporated at 35°C under highvacuum.The residue was dissolved in 40 ml of cold saturated sodium bicarbonate and extracted thricewith 20 ml ethyl acetate, the organic layers were combined and washed with deionized H
2
O,brine, and then dried over magnesium sulfate, filtered and rotary evaporated at 40°C underhigh vacuum to a constant weight. Yield 3.13 grams before chromatography, 93%.Another run of 5.12 grams lysergic acid with the same amines, equivalents, and times, yielded 5.55 grams after chromatography, 9”
all the best bro
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sorry missed out a part-
Step II. Use Red light”
after you have run your lysergic acid through a column and are at the point of peptide coupling, you will want to switch to a red photographic safe light, which willbe used in any purification or further processes from this point onward. As always it is a good idea to simply let it stir in the dark.
“2.80 grams of lysergic acid was added to 100 ml of magnetically stirring dichloromethane. Tothis was added 1.81 grams
N,N
-diethylmethylamine and the solution was allowed to stir forfive minutes. Then 5.70 grams of PyPOB was added and the solution was allowed to stir for anadditional five minutes. Then 0.84 grams of diethylamine was added and the reaction wasallowed to stir at RT(room temperature) for 60 minutes.The reaction mixture was quenched with 100 ml of 7.5M concentrated ammonium hydroxide,the layers were separated and the aqueous phase was then thrice extracted with 30 ml
dichloromethane, the organic layers were combined and rotary evaporated at 35°C under highvacuum.The residue was dissolved in 40 ml of cold saturated sodium bicarbonate and extracted thricewith 20 ml ethyl acetate, the organic layers were combined and washed with deionized H
2
O,brine, and then dried over magnesium sulfate, filtered and rotary evaporated at 40°C underhigh vacuum to a constant weight. Yield 3.13 grams before chromatography, 93%.Another run of 5.12 grams lysergic acid with the same amines, equivalents, and times, yielded 5.55 grams after chromatography, 9”
all the best bro
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And frankly, you are making quite a bold statement by claiming I was ripped off. The value of information is very subjective and despite what you and motek claim this synthesis is not on the clearweb or journals.
this
And guess what? I didn't pay a penny for this guide. This operation is being financed entirley by the people who took a crazy homeless person with chemical burns off the street and put him back on his feet to live his dream running his own popper empire and collecting human hearts. If it were not for this guide, I would not have felt comfortable making MDMA. They are only paying for the cost of materials plus the guide, which altogether is dirt cheap for the amount I will be making. Who exactly loses out in this arrangement again?
haha u made me lul
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If anyone can actually get the MDMA guide to work and with high yields, it would be worth the price and I'll eat my words. A simple google search will tell you that this isn't a brand new route, but it is notorious for being difficult to replicate. Perhaps this guide IS the missing link?
Even if that were true though, I think it's fair to say that this guide isn't for the beginner chemist and that advertising it as such is very misleading. And if you're charging people $500+ for a 3-paged guide, at least have the decency to make it readable (i.e. fix the numerous grammatical errors present, include pictures, put in an outline format, etc..). I've seen better writing in 6th grade book reports...
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hes a consultant.
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If anyone can actually get the MDMA guide to work and with high yields, it would be worth the price and I'll eat my words. A simple google search will tell you that this isn't a brand new route, but it is notorious for being difficult to replicate. Perhaps this guide IS the missing link?
Even if that were true though, I think it's fair to say that this guide isn't for the beginner chemist and that advertising it as such is very misleading. And if you're charging people $500+ for a 3-paged guide, at least have the decency to make it readable (i.e. fix the numerous grammatical errors present, include pictures, put in an outline format, etc..). I've seen better writing in 6th grade book reports...
Maybe I will give him some pictures to update his guide with when he is done. I get the vibe that either he no longer does this kind of thing or don't want people knowing he still does if he does. I've been talking with him quite a bit. I only even posted on here because I only plan on doing it once and being done and not even selling it.
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Okay, so I just read over motek's last few posts and I find this one VERY troubling...
"PS .... Oh, I forgot to mention, RP has even GONE SO FAR as to OFFER $5000 (5k) to another member for my address :o :o :o :o :o fortunately like ALL good members he would NEVER DO such a thing ... some people are 'good people with cool heads' who can see/read a scammer at fifty paces 8)"
That's the scariest fucking thing I've ever read here, I really hope that's a sick joke. Either DDW or motek has crossed a line here...
This is VERY TROUBLING indeed. This is the kind of stuff that can kill a place like SR. From reading this thread sporadically I think it's fairly safe to say this dude's a scammer by now. The price is perfect in that it's not much money to the high end producers to spend and not want to go to war over losing several k, but high enough he can make a ton from wanna-be chemists.
If he has tried to buy people's information he should be banned for life. If in fact he isn't, that's pretty troubling. DPR himself should comment on this.
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Okay, so I just read over motek's last few posts and I find this one VERY troubling...
"PS .... Oh, I forgot to mention, RP has even GONE SO FAR as to OFFER $5000 (5k) to another member for my address :o :o :o :o :o fortunately like ALL good members he would NEVER DO such a thing ... some people are 'good people with cool heads' who can see/read a scammer at fifty paces 8)"
That's the scariest fucking thing I've ever read here, I really hope that's a sick joke. Either DDW or motek has crossed a line here...
This is VERY TROUBLING indeed. This is the kind of stuff that can kill a place like SR. From reading this thread sporadically I think it's fairly safe to say this dude's a scammer by now. The price is perfect in that it's not much money to the high end producers to spend and not want to go to war over losing several k, but high enough he can make a ton from wanna-be chemists.
If he has tried to buy people's information he should be banned for life. If in fact he isn't, that's pretty troubling. DPR himself should comment on this.
Soooooo..... What's your basis on calling him a scammer? The fact that a well known vendor had a test batch done and it worked fine? Or was it that motek the schizo heroin addict alchemist started making some serious accusations and literally refusing to explain how the guide he got illigitimatley doesn't work in this particular message board. Seriously asshole, if you read the thread, give me the time I asked for, and THEN cry scammer. I am photo documenting this whole thing so if it doesn't work there should be a really obvious point where I deviate from the guide and fuck up myself, or a really obvious point where it becomes clear RP is a fuck?
I've stated multiple times I will bet bitcoins in escrow that this works and that i will complete it. Take my bet or you're nothing but a useless crybaby piece of shit coward like half the posters in this thread. And I bet you work for the DEA AND Department of homeland security, I KNOW THAT'S YOU AGENT GEORGE YOU WON'T TRICK ME AGAIN MY WHOLE HOUSE IS RIGGED WITH PHOSGENE GAS DEAD MAN'S SWITCH MOTHERFUCKER YOU WON'T TAKE ME. If RP is a scammer fucking take my free money, fucking do it, clearly I have money to blow and am easily taken advantage of seeing as RP is a con man and I bought the guide and I'm stupid enough to think it works. I am literally a fucking retard. un pendejo y su dinero pronto seran departados, no?
Haha just kidding I don't know Latin I used a translator I'm fucking stupid. So how about that bet agent George?
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Popper, this is George.
We're watching.
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Okay, so I just read over motek's last few posts and I find this one VERY troubling...
"PS .... Oh, I forgot to mention, RP has even GONE SO FAR as to OFFER $5000 (5k) to another member for my address :o :o :o :o :o fortunately like ALL good members he would NEVER DO such a thing ... some people are 'good people with cool heads' who can see/read a scammer at fifty paces 8)"
That's the scariest fucking thing I've ever read here, I really hope that's a sick joke. Either DDW or motek has crossed a line here...
This is VERY TROUBLING indeed. This is the kind of stuff that can kill a place like SR. From reading this thread sporadically I think it's fairly safe to say this dude's a scammer by now. The price is perfect in that it's not much money to the high end producers to spend and not want to go to war over losing several k, but high enough he can make a ton from wanna-be chemists.
If he has tried to buy people's information he should be banned for life. If in fact he isn't, that's pretty troubling. DPR himself should comment on this.
Thanks for the support amigo :) This matter has been reported by those involved ... just waiting to hear .... a reply was received from SR support to the person who 'was made the offer' and he has since been given a promotion so tek's told ... thanks again curly all the best bro ;) 8)
AV you made us lol 8)
regards
m m m motek
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Okay, so I just read over motek's last few posts and I find this one VERY troubling...
"PS .... Oh, I forgot to mention, RP has even GONE SO FAR as to OFFER $5000 (5k) to another member for my address :o :o :o :o :o fortunately like ALL good members he would NEVER DO such a thing ... some people are 'good people with cool heads' who can see/read a scammer at fifty paces 8)"
That's the scariest fucking thing I've ever read here, I really hope that's a sick joke. Either DDW or motek has crossed a line here...
This is VERY TROUBLING indeed. This is the kind of stuff that can kill a place like SR. From reading this thread sporadically I think it's fairly safe to say this dude's a scammer by now. The price is perfect in that it's not much money to the high end producers to spend and not want to go to war over losing several k, but high enough he can make a ton from wanna-be chemists.
If he has tried to buy people's information he should be banned for life. If in fact he isn't, that's pretty troubling. DPR himself should comment on this.
Soooooo..... What's your basis on calling him a scammer? The fact that a well known vendor had a test batch done and it worked fine? Or was it that motek the schizo heroin addict alchemist started making some serious accusations and literally refusing to explain how the guide he got illigitimatley doesn't work in this particular message board. Seriously asshole, if you read the thread, give me the time I asked for, and THEN cry scammer. I am photo documenting this whole thing so if it doesn't work there should be a really obvious point where I deviate from the guide and fuck up myself, or a really obvious point where it becomes clear RP is a fuck?
I've stated multiple times I will bet bitcoins in escrow that this works and that i will complete it. Take my bet or you're nothing but a useless crybaby piece of shit coward like half the posters in this thread. And I bet you work for the DEA AND Department of homeland security, I KNOW THAT'S YOU AGENT GEORGE YOU WON'T TRICK ME AGAIN MY WHOLE HOUSE IS RIGGED WITH PHOSGENE GAS DEAD MAN'S SWITCH MOTHERFUCKER YOU WON'T TAKE ME. If RP is a scammer fucking take my free money, fucking do it, clearly I have money to blow and am easily taken advantage of seeing as RP is a con man and I bought the guide and I'm stupid enough to think it works. I am literally a fucking retard. un pendejo y su dinero pronto seran departados, no?
Haha just kidding I don't know Latin I used a translator I'm fucking stupid. So how about that bet agent George?
I def need a photo guide if it works but wtf was the rest of ur post about. Hope that was sarcasm?
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dont worry about him brian... he's imcomprehensible at the best of times :o ::)
Pooper's not 'smart enough' to use 'sarcasm' bro ... he uses mexican ;)
motek "can't wait for the photos" either 8) ......
Just wondering IF they'll be FROM pooper OR "of'" pooper ...as his (mates ;)) house "burns down/blows up!" and it's on the 'news' lol :o ;D
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I've been meaning to post on this for a while and now is the perfect oppurtunity.
Anyone that bought those guides just got ripped off. You basically just bought one of those books you see on late night TV "How to Become an Overnight Millionaire".
First of all, everything that you find in the guide was most likely taken from the rhodium archives that are located on erowid. There is no magical synthesis that this tweaker figured out that nobody else knows about. The moment I saw a tutorial titled "Easy LSD synthesis" I pegged this guy as a hack. I actually hope he defends himself.
Second, if you have to pick up a guide called "Easy MDMA synthesis" then chances are you have little to no knowledge of Chemistry and you are going to fail miserably, or even worse hurt youself or someone else.
Playing with volatile materials isnt a game.
There is no easy way to create MDMA, it's a pretty difficult multistep synthesis that requires knowledge.
It's very possible, but only if you do your homework and just arent looking for a quick cash grab.
If the synthesis was easy ever strung out raver would be cranking out the most euphoric, racemic MDMA xtals and there would be a good music scene in the U.S. lol.
yup. too bad, I would take that over methylone fueled skrilldren. hah.
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dont worry about him brian... he's imcomprehensible at the best of times :o ::)
Pooper's not 'smart enough' to use 'sarcasm' bro ... he uses mexican ;)
motek "can't wait for the photos" either 8) ......
Just wondering IF they'll be FROM pooper OR "of'" pooper ...as his (mates ;)) house "burns down/blows up!" and it's on the 'news' lol :o ;D
Yeah I'm not sure why you think RP's guide is such a fire hazard, I've already got bromosafrole and the next work up is really easy. Something funny I found out was that you can actually get very pure methylamine by washing the crude crustals with one of the precursors needed to make my poppers. Talk about fate, right? The only reason I'm not done yet is because RP convinced me to buy one of the other precursors from his source rather than using the precursor I've made and purified myself. Unfortunately his source is on vacation until the 23rd and is overseas, leaving me a bit boned for the time being. Honestly you guys are such obnoxious assholes I might just risk wasting some yield by using my crude precursor on a small trial batch just to show you guys how retarded you guys are.
If you can't understand my post you are brain dead. I'm offering an open bet to anyone who thinks RP is a scammer. Anyone who thinks the guide doesn't work, ill bet you ill have used the guide to make MDMA within a week of me getting this last precursor. We can do this bet in escrow. I will be providing photo evidence at the minimum, and most likely video evidence of the last step.
Motek is one of the lowest forms of scum there is. As someone with a lot of experience in clandestine laboratories (I used to do a lot of work for pot dealers), I've only ever seen one bad accident and it was entirely my fault and resulted in me being hospitalized. Motek and friends can try as hard as they can to bring me down, make fun of me, or discredit me, but the reality of the situation is that an experience as traumatizing as that has served to make me both a more carful and a more humble person. The fact that motek won't even take the opportunity to double her money by betting that I won't succeed and rather joins the ranks of the peanut gallery should be enough to discredit her worthless claims. That and the fact that she refuses to answer a single one of my points and resorts exclusively to hominem attacks should be enough too.
Also let it be known that motek and Brian are terrible judges of sarcasm. Motek actually thought she was getting a free guide and took it way to seriously, and then Brian tried to defend motek blackmailing RP by claiming she was being sarcastic. You know, despite how she actually followed through with her threat and posted the guide when RP refused her demands. Yeah, both of you are literally brain dead retards. Stop doing so many drugs you idiots.
I LOVE NEGATIVE KARMA GIVE ME MORE MY INTERWEB FEELINGZ HURTZ
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dont worry about him brian... he's imcomprehensible at the best of times :o ::)
Pooper's not 'smart enough' to use 'sarcasm' bro ... he uses mexican ;)
motek "can't wait for the photos" either 8) ......
Just wondering IF they'll be FROM pooper OR "of'" pooper ...as his (mates ;)) house "burns down/blows up!" and it's on the 'news' lol :o ;D
Yeah I'm not sure why you think RP's guide is such a fire hazard, I've already got bromosafrole and the next work up is really easy. Something funny I found out was that you can actually get very pure methylamine by washing the crude crustals with one of the precursors needed to make my poppers. Talk about fate, right? The only reason I'm not done yet is because RP convinced me to buy one of the other precursors from his source rather than using the precursor I've made and purified myself. Unfortunately his source is on vacation until the 23rd and is overseas, leaving me a bit boned for the time being. Honestly you guys are such obnoxious assholes I might just risk wasting some yield by using my crude precursor on a small trial batch just to show you guys how retarded you guys are.
If you can't understand my post you are brain dead. I'm offering an open bet to anyone who thinks RP is a scammer. Anyone who thinks the guide doesn't work, ill bet you ill have used the guide to make MDMA within a week of me getting this last precursor. We can do this bet in escrow. I will be providing photo evidence at the minimum, and most likely video evidence of the last step.
Motek is one of the lowest forms of scum there is. As someone with a lot of experience in clandestine laboratories (I used to do a lot of work for pot dealers), I've only ever seen one bad accident and it was entirely my fault and resulted in me being hospitalized. Motek and friends can try as hard as they can to bring me down, make fun of me, or discredit me, but the reality of the situation is that an experience as traumatizing as that has served to make me both a more carful and a more humble person. The fact that motek won't even take the opportunity to double her money by betting that I won't succeed and rather joins the ranks of the peanut gallery should be enough to discredit her worthless claims. That and the fact that she refuses to answer a single one of my points and resorts exclusively to hominem attacks should be enough too.
Also let it be known that motek and Brian are terrible judges of sarcasm. Motek actually thought she was getting a free guide and took it way to seriously, and then Brian tried to defend motek blackmailing RP by claiming she was being sarcastic. You know, despite how she actually followed through with her threat and posted the guide when RP refused her demands. Yeah, both of you are literally brain dead retards. Stop doing so many drugs you idiots.
I LOVE NEGATIVE KARMA GIVE ME MORE MY INTERWEB FEELINGZ HURTZ
Okay, I'd just like to point out that nothing would make me happier than to see you succeed here. I certainly wasn't trying to be a hater.
I'm quite surprised that you're going through the Silk Road for a non-safrole precursor. I can almost guarantee you that it'd be a hell of a lot cheaper (and just as safe) buying from someone else. PM me if you need some help with that and I'll try and point you in the right direction.
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Popper I was not talking shit my last couple posts and really want to see the results but then you be a spaz and throw my name out there? I hope u fail miserably and end up on the news. Ur the fucking idiot, all through school my test scores have been in the 90 percentile. So now I say shut the fuck up until you show proof and stop going bi polar. Happy 420 err body else!
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Popper I was not talking shit my last couple posts and really want to see the results but then you be a spaz and throw my name out there? I hope u fail miserably and end up on the news. Ur the fucking idiot, all through school my test scores have been in the 90 percentile. So now I say shut the fuck up until you show proof and stop going bi polar. Happy 420 err body else!
You bitched about Ron Paul, talked tons of shit and refused to justify your claims.
I keep telling everyone that I'm stupid, idiot is another word for stupid. Everyone should know that I'm stupid by now, I pretty much mention it in every post. I am not bi polar, I'm fucking nuts. Bi polar people are not crazy. Stop insulting tri polar people.
I dropped out of school. U mad? Btw if you read my post you'd see I don't smoke weed. Enjoy your brain damage and lung cancer.
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Should I quote your shit talking posts before you go back and edit them like a butthurt schoolchild?
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Popper I was not talking shit my last couple posts and really want to see the results but then you be a spaz and throw my name out there? I hope u fail miserably and end up on the news. Ur the fucking idiot, all through school my test scores have been in the 90 percentile. So now I say shut the fuck up until you show proof and stop going bi polar. Happy 420 err body else!
You bitched about Ron Paul, talked tons of shit and refused to justify your claims.
I keep telling everyone that I'm stupid, idiot is another word for stupid. Everyone should know that I'm stupid by now, I pretty much mention it in every post. I am not bi polar, I'm fucking nuts. Bi polar people are not crazy. Stop insulting tri polar people.
I dropped out of school. U mad? Btw if you read my post you'd see I don't smoke weed. Enjoy your brain damage and lung cancer.
lol. 1 weed doesn't cause brain damage. 2. I don't smoke bud.
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Popper I was not talking shit my last couple posts and really want to see the results but then you be a spaz and throw my name out there? I hope u fail miserably and end up on the news. Ur the fucking idiot, all through school my test scores have been in the 90 percentile. So now I say shut the fuck up until you show proof and stop going bi polar. Happy 420 err body else!
You bitched about Ron Paul, talked tons of shit and refused to justify your claims.
I keep telling everyone that I'm stupid, idiot is another word for stupid. Everyone should know that I'm stupid by now, I pretty much mention it in every post. I am not bi polar, I'm fucking nuts. Bi polar people are not crazy. Stop insulting tri polar people.
I dropped out of school. U mad? Btw if you read my post you'd see I don't smoke weed. Enjoy your brain damage and lung cancer.
lol. 1 weed doesn't cause brain damage. 2. I don't smoke bud.
I run my old highschool's DARE program I think I know what I'm talking about.
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As someone with a lot of experience in clandestine laboratories (I used to do a lot of work for pot dealers), I've only ever seen one bad accident and it was entirely my fault and resulted in me being hospitalized.
Yep! And BrianB died from just LOOKING at a marijuana (that I think attacked his sister ... idk coz ....idk"
I run my old highschool's DARE program I think I know what I'm talking about.
Uhuh :-\ And Sooooo ...... I rest my case! ;D
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http://m.medicaldaily.com/articles/11417/20120809/marijuana-brain-damage-memory-learning-drug-habit-addiction.htm
http://iphone.sciencealert.com.au/news/20080506-17437-2.html
I now have absolute proof that smoking even one marijuana cigarette is equal in brain damage to being on Bikini Island during an H-bomb blast
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pooper give it up will ya!? There IS CLEAR EVIDENCE than "cannabiniods" have "neuroprotective/neororegenerative" properties!
The "Studies" were done in 2011-12 at Melbourne University In Oz .... check it out if you can ... you just MIGHT 'learn something!'
Aside from the FACT "we ALL have "natural cannabinoids" (endo-cannabinoids) in 'our brain/systems') .... what about THAT FACT pooper?
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Also let it be known that motek and Brian are terrible judges of sarcasm.
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IF you 'wish to BE taken seriously' poops, you MUST stop 'fluctuating between 'sarcatic, rhetorical argumentum adhominem, and STICK TO THE FACTS'
motek IS WELL PAST using this thread as ANYTHING BUT a source of 'light entertainment' nothing more!
Hey brian...howzitgoing there bro...All Good I hope!
R m m m motek
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IF you 'wish to BE taken seriously' poops, you MUST stop 'fluctuating between 'sarcatic, rhetorical argumentum adhominem, and STICK TO THE FACTS'
I wish no such thing. I write my posts in a way such as that those who already have a brain will take from them what I wish to be taken. Those without a brain (people like you) will miss the point entirely. Nothing a retarded alchemist heroin addict says is going to change my posting style. Agent George made me change my posting style, but he's in a completely different league than you. How about you stop acting like your worth more than half a flaming peice of shit and start responding to my responses to your criticism? Do you need me to re quote them? Don't tell me to stick to the facts when you literally ignore every. Single. One. That I bring up.
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If you think that someone who has posted the things I have posted would quote Ronald Reagan in a serious anti pot argument (with me actually being anti pot) I strongly suspect you to be genuinely autistic or something. You literally cannot detect any form of sarcasm.
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IF you 'wish to BE taken seriously' poops, you MUST stop 'fluctuating between 'sarcatic, rhetorical argumentum adhominem, and STICK TO THE FACTS'
motek IS WELL PAST using this thread as ANYTHING BUT a source of 'light entertainment' nothing more!
Hey brian...howzitgoing there bro...All Good I hope!
R m m m motek
thanks bro. All good here. Except my mj seeds prolly got seized by customs. That fucking sucks lol
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IF you 'wish to BE taken seriously' poops, you MUST stop 'fluctuating between 'sarcatic, rhetorical argumentum adhominem, and STICK TO THE FACTS'
motek IS WELL PAST using this thread as ANYTHING BUT a source of 'light entertainment' nothing more!
Hey brian...howzitgoing there bro...All Good I hope!
R m m m motek
thanks bro. All good here. Except my mj seeds prolly got seized by customs. That fucking sucks lol
Dayum briian! :o that's' a biatch if you really think so :(
May i ask from where to where? I unnerstan if you dont answer that, however ::) ;D 8)
cheers bro, m m m motek
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Also let it be known that motek and Brian are terrible judges of sarcasm.
LOL, WAY TO ANSWER.
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Did anyone make any MDMA in the end? i dont want to read through all of it.
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a few are working on it and one reputable vendor vouched.
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Did anyone make any MDMA in the end? i dont want to read through all of it.
No, Ron Paul is. Scammer and the guide doesn't work. His 99% feedback is from shill accounts that he made himself. If you buy the guide he sends you a link to goatse.cx which is freely available on the clearnet and not worth $570. I would know, I'm his shilling cock socket slave puppet and his alter ego. Search through all of motek's post and memorize them he will teach you how to make MDMA for free.
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Alright, you've got me. I'm interested in your bet. What odds are you offering and what sort of proof will you have that you did it yourself following rp's procedure? Also, what time frame are you thinking?
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do u like money bro?
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Alright, you've got me. I'm interested in your bet. What odds are you offering and what sort of proof will you have that you did it yourself following rp's procedure? Also, what time frame are you thinking?
I'll offer 1:1 odds, a gentlman's bet. Fair full disclosure: I'm already at bromosafrole and just need to convert to the next safrole compound then bubble my methylamine into it and according to RP I should win. Timeframe should be when RP's vendor comes back online to sell me the last precursor and I receive it, one week from when I receive it. But if you offer me a substantial amount of money I will try to use the precursor I synthesized myself which RP warned me against using due to possible impurities. What kind of proof do you want? I have photo documented everything so far but I have access to kilos of MDMA from my distributor so it would not be hard for me to fake. What do you think would be fair?
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Okay, I'll bite. $20 says you can't complete this synth within the next two months. Not saying it can't be done, but I've seen several people with actual chemistry backgrounds come up dry using this method, and I doubt some newbie following this guide will be any different.
Man, every time I read this thread, I swear my IQ drops 30 points. Seriously guys, can we stop the petty name-calling please? It's honestly making everyone here look like an absolute tool.
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Okay, I'll bite. $20 says you can't complete this synth within the next two months. Not saying it can't be done, but I've seen several people with actual chemistry backgrounds come up dry using this method, and I doubt some newbie following this guide will be any different.
Man, every time I read this thread, I swear my IQ drops 30 points. Seriously guys, can we stop the petty name-calling please? It's honestly making everyone here look like an absolute tool.
I'll take that bet, do we need escrow or can you take my word for it? I'll take you for yours (:
If I do everything right and fail and prove it with photo documentation I will become RP's biggest detractor. I hope I've made this clear. After coming this far I literally don't see how I can go wrong from this point on. I'm also crazy.
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Alright, you've got me. I'm interested in your bet. What odds are you offering and what sort of proof will you have that you did it yourself following rp's procedure? Also, what time frame are you thinking?
I'll offer 1:1 odds, a gentlman's bet. Fair full disclosure: I'm already at bromosafrole and just need to convert to the next safrole compound then bubble my methylamine into it and according to RP I should win. Timeframe should be when RP's vendor comes back online to sell me the last precursor and I receive it, one week from when I receive it. But if you offer me a substantial amount of money I will try to use the precursor I synthesized myself which RP warned me against using due to possible impurities. What kind of proof do you want? I have photo documented everything so far but I have access to kilos of MDMA from my distributor so it would not be hard for me to fake. What do you think would be fair?
I'm honestly not sure what would be the best way to do it. Just showing me finished MDMA wouldn't be proving much. Showing photos of each step would be a great way of proving it, but it would also give away RP's guide (unless he's ok with you sharing the steps as long as you don't share the molar ratios?)
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I'm honestly not sure what would be the best way to do it. Just showing me finished MDMA wouldn't be proving much. Showing photos of each step would be a great way of proving it, but it would also give away RP's guide (unless he's ok with you sharing the steps as long as you don't share the molar ratios?)
Well if it doesn't work out I will be posting pictures and he can suck my dick.
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Timeframe should be when RP's vendor comes back online
Er....RonPaul's (and maybe DDW's too) vendor account HAS BEEN BANNED :o 8) as he should have been a LONG time ago! >:(
I wouldn't be 'holding you breath' for 'this one' either guys! lol :P
lol . . . it's the RP/DDW topic...so, what's new? ::) ;D
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Timeframe should be when RP's vendor comes back online
Er....RonPaul's (and maybe DDW's too) vendor account HAS BEEN BANNED :o 8) as he should have been a LONG time ago! >:(
I wouldn't be 'holding you breath' for 'this one' either guys! lol :P
lol . . . it's the RP/DDW topic...so, what's new? ::) ;D
Uh its a well known precursor vendor who comes back online after the 23rd. RP himself last logged in yesterday and still has listings up so I would like some other kind of confirmation.
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This thread has turned into such a lol.
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This thread has turned into such a lol.
If you could huff MDMA to make sex more intense it would be my favorite drug ever and I would make it for a living
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This thread has turned into such a lol.
If you could huff MDMA to make sex more intense it would be my favorite drug ever and I would make it for a living
This post doesn't even make any sense.
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His account hasn't been banned, I'm perusing it as I type.
Haha, while I was typing that someone else replied.
NOW 2 PEOPLE!!! Just let me submit this post already!!! GRRR
OMFG!!! NOW there's been 2 ADDITIONAL posts!! Fuck Me!
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This thread has turned into such a lol.
If you could huff MDMA to make sex more intense it would be my favorite drug ever and I would make it for a living
This post doesn't even make any sense.
LMAO bro, it was by "poopermachine" ...lol "what's new??" ;D ::)
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This thread has turned into such a lol.
If you could huff MDMA to make sex more intense it would be my favorite drug ever and I would make it for a living
This post doesn't even make any sense.
LMAO bro, it was by "poopermachine" ...lol "what's new??" ;D ::)
Well I expected coherence...
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This thread has turned into such a lol.
If you could huff MDMA to make sex more intense it would be my favorite drug ever and I would make it for a living
This post doesn't even make any sense.
That post brought me great joy. At least now I know you are not Agent George.
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Who the fuck is Agent George? Tit.
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Who the fuck is Agent George? Tit.
He's not me if that's what you're asking. Definitely not me.
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Who the fuck is Agent George? Tit.
He's not me if that's what you're asking. Definitely not me.
Ya need to put down the Nitrates mate.
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Why are people going with the Bromo route? Why not synth the ketone directly from safrole?
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Why are people going with the Bromo route? Why not synth the ketone directly from safrole?
Try importing Safrole in quantity lol.
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Why are people going with the Bromo route? Why not synth the ketone directly from safrole?
Try importing Safrole in quantity lol.
I guess it would be difficult sourcing Ocotea pretiosa with 94% saf content in 50lb drums on the reg....
No it's not, it's getting them past customs that's the bitch. :)
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Why are people going with the Bromo route? Why not synth the ketone directly from safrole?
Try importing Safrole in quantity lol.
I guess it would be difficult sourcing Ocotea pretiosa with 94% saf content in 50lb drums on the reg....
No it's not, it's getting them past customs that's the bitch. :)
Not when its domestic @ $20/lb
Lol somewhat doubt that you could get that without a license/heavy monitoring.
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Okay, I'll bite. $20 says you can't complete this synth within the next two months. Not saying it can't be done, but I've seen several people with actual chemistry backgrounds come up dry using this method, and I doubt some newbie following this guide will be any different.
Man, every time I read this thread, I swear my IQ drops 30 points. Seriously guys, can we stop the petty name-calling please? It's honestly making everyone here look like an absolute tool.
I'm done arguing with dude. I didn't plan on it until popper brought my name up again after I said I was looking forward to the results of his synthesis. I'm cool now tho.
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Who the fuck is Agent George? Tit.
He's not me if that's what you're asking. Definitely not me.
Ya need to put down the Nitrates mate.
I believe you mean nitrites. Nitrites and nitrates are different things.
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Okay, I'll bite. $20 says you can't complete this synth within the next two months. Not saying it can't be done, but I've seen several people with actual chemistry backgrounds come up dry using this method, and I doubt some newbie following this guide will be any different.
Man, every time I read this thread, I swear my IQ drops 30 points. Seriously guys, can we stop the petty name-calling please? It's honestly making everyone here look like an absolute tool.
I'm done arguing with dude. I didn't plan on it until popper brought my name up again after I said I was looking forward to the results of his synthesis. I'm cool now tho.
You posted a bunch of dumb shit and deserved to be shit on. Just like motek.
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Same to u
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Same to u
I don't pretend to not be dumb.
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That's the difference between us popper. You are dumb and I am not. There is a difference between lack of knowledge and being stupid. I wouldn't say you are stupid but you insist that you are so I believe you. When it comes to chem. I don't have any knowledge but I am by no means stupid.
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your not doing a good job proving otherwise
Lol OK. I don't have to prove anything. Talking shit to someone doesn't make them stupid and neither does saying what was told to me by other chemists from a drug chem forum about Ron paiuls guide.
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value is subjective.
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your not doing a good job proving otherwise
Lol OK. I don't have to prove anything. Talking shit to someone doesn't make them stupid and neither does saying what was told to me by other chemists from a drug chem forum about Ron paiuls guide.
I'm just going to admit now that I was super intimidated by your 90th percentile school test scores and lashed out because of my deep subconscious feelings of inferiority. You are clearly the superior human being. Also PM me the link to the drug chemistry forum or you're full of shit and I'll continue calling you on it.
Funny how you claim you took down the guide pretty much the second I start claiming you were full of shit about posting it on a forum full of drug chemists and demanding that you should prove that said forum and said responses exist. I frankly don't believe you and I don't think anyone should either. You've refused to even vaguely mention which exact part of RP's guide is "too hard" or incomprehensible. You literally just bitch and moan in the most vague way possible and the only thing you specifically mention is that someone else gave you specific reasons for why the guide is shitty. I've yet to see those specific reasons.
No one is forcing you to prove anything, I'm just going to keep making fun of you until you do.
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Hi Popper.
Enjoy yourself for now; We're coming.
Best,
George
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your not doing a good job proving otherwise
Lol OK. I don't have to prove anything. Talking shit to someone doesn't make them stupid and neither does saying what was told to me by other chemists from a drug chem forum about Ron paiuls guide.
I'm just going to admit now that I was super intimidated by your 90th percentile school test scores and lashed out because of my deep subconscious feelings of inferiority. You are clearly the superior human being. Also PM me the link to the drug chemistry forum or you're full of shit and I'll continue calling you on it.
Funny how you claim you took down the guide pretty much the second I start claiming you were full of shit about posting it on a forum full of drug chemists and demanding that you should prove that said forum and said responses exist. I frankly don't believe you and I don't think anyone should either. You've refused to even vaguely mention which exact part of RP's guide is "too hard" or incomprehensible. You literally just bitch and moan in the most vague way possible and the only thing you specifically mention is that someone else gave you specific reasons for why the guide is shitty. I've yet to see those specific reasons.
No one is forcing you to prove anything, I'm just going to keep making fun of you until you do.
I don't believe any 1 person is better than another. Stated my test scores stating that I'm not stupid. The forum is thevespiary. I took the guide off of the site because Ron Paul asked me to which I did promptly out of respect.
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How do I turn a bunch of pictures on an iphone into viewable pictures on the internet anonymously? I have a lot of pictures so I'm trying to figure out how to do this in a time efficient yet safe manner.
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Hmm, so I just found DDW's synth posted in full on vesp site... I'm decidedly unimpressed...
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Hmm, so I just found DDW's synth posted in full on vesp site... I'm decidedly unimpressed...
Hi fractal :) yeah man, been trying ti say the 'same thing' just not SO 'specifically' if you know what we mean ,,,, but we did mention the vesp together with others on about page 10--11 IIRC, wherre DDw wasn't 'satisfied with Rhodium) as a "reasonable source" or some shit
Yep bro, that synth aaand HOW MANY MORE?? :o :o
m m m munted motek
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How do I turn a bunch of pictures on an iphone into viewable pictures on the internet anonymously? I have a lot of pictures so I'm trying to figure out how to do this in a time efficient yet safe manner.
There is a program i believe it's called "batch purifier" something. Just search for image meta data stripper. The image format saved by iphone camera I believe is jpeg, so it's ready for upload as soon as you strip the meta data
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How do I turn a bunch of pictures on an iphone into viewable pictures on the internet anonymously? I have a lot of pictures so I'm trying to figure out how to do this in a time efficient yet safe manner.
There is a program i believe it's called "batch purifier" something. Just search for image meta data stripper. The image format saved by iphone camera I believe is jpeg, so it's ready for upload as soon as you strip the meta data
Yeah, it was pretty much said already, just not in so many words.
This quote in particular was interesting:
This guide is pretty much identical to ritter's/jon's method, is it not? Wouldn't that just be reinventing the wheel?
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How do I turn a bunch of pictures on an iphone into viewable pictures on the internet anonymously? I have a lot of pictures so I'm trying to figure out how to do this in a time efficient yet safe manner.
There is a program i believe it's called "batch purifier" something. Just search for image meta data stripper. The image format saved by iphone camera I believe is jpeg, so it's ready for upload as soon as you strip the meta data
Yeah, it was pretty much said already, just not in so many words.
This quote in particular was interesting:
This guide is pretty much identical to ritter's/jon's method, is it not? Wouldn't that just be reinventing the wheel?
It's very similar. I had no idea this was a well known thing before I bought this guide and trolled the shit out of this thread. I guess I am a loser. I'm still more than happy with DDW's one on one consulting and his responses to my questions.
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"I'm still more than happy with DDW's one on one consulting and his responses to my questions"
How DO you 'communicate' with each other? I've always wondered exactly 'how' the good dr does provide those tips aand tricks to his underlings
Howz that Bromo-saffy synth (with photos) going there mate?
Wasn't "The Bet" going to be that you WILL have it "finished" (one way or the other) by the end of the month? How IS it 'really' going?
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How DO you 'communicate' with each other? I've always wondered exactly 'how' the good dr does provide those tips aand tricks to his underlings
We post on eachother's facebook walls.
Howz that Bromo-saffy synth (with photos) going there mate?
Wasn't "The Bet" going to be that you WILL have it "finished" (one way or the other) by the end of the month? How IS it 'really' going?
I have what I presume to be bromosafrole, which still needs the DCM to be distilled off. I killed my vacuum pump and will be switching over to an aspirator like it says to use in the guide. Before my pump died I got some (what I presume to be) fairly pure bromosafrole which I converted into Iodosafrole via KaI like in Jon's route. RP warns me against doing this but I decide to do a small batch to see how it turns out. It's looking good but I need that aspirator to distill off the acetone to know for sure, jon seems confident KaI can be used directly. Between the precursor vendor being on vacation until the 23rd and the attacks on Silk Road after that and the fact that I am a pussy and won't buy things off the clearnet I've had some trouble getting what I know is pure NaI. I made some crude NaI but I'm not sure how to tell how pure it is and if the impurities will screw up the reaction. I also have some very pure methylamine (not presumably, this one I'm sure of) in a nice little jar. I just finished building the bubbling thingy out of copper tubing and mason jars and epoxy. I like to come up with ways of doing things that are disposable and cheap but easily reproducible by others. It's a lot of fun. Everyone who knows me always has a lot of fun.
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Also for full disclosure I did get some of that black tar goopish stuff somebody on here warned me about but it is isolated from my pure stuff because I was doing microbatches to test stuff out. I'm still not sure what caused that yet.
Edit: So motek how much does it pay to be an informant for the feds these days?
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Is this argument actually still going on? fuck me.
I genuinely cannot be fucked sifting through 30 pages of Motek's unintelligible spam to see if anyone has posted experience and evidence of using DDW's synth methods... Are there any? ref. links please.
I have to say, I'd like to appreciate the merit of Motek's argument, but browsing over 12 pages of this shit-flinging, DDW still comes out as up-standing and retorts with, at least, decipherable fucking English.
Motek, if you want to appear in the least bit credible, scratch up on your fucking English skills, you write as if it is your third language, no joke. Jesus fucking Christ.
I've conversed with Russians who speak 4 languages with FAR SUPERIOR grammar and spelling to you.
If you're going to troll,. do it right. You sound like you're 12.
But, let's not sidestep here: SOME LINKS OF EVIDENCE/EXPERIENCE WITH DDW'S METHODS PLEASE.
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Aurelius: The gist of my argument has always been that I want it verified that this is original work provided by DDW. I posted evidence on the previous page that it is not, and is actually copied from Jon/Ritter on thevespiary.
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Thevespiary is the shit.
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Aurelius: The gist of my argument has always been that I want it verified that this is original work provided by DDW. I posted evidence on the previous page that it is not, and is actually copied from Jon/Ritter on thevespiary.
i feel you, my post wasn't really towards you, it was more geared towards the trolls that are latching on to one minute aspect of the services that DDW provides. If the guide is BS and people want to spend money on it that's their issue. I think that DDW provides a very valuable service to the community and I urge people to realize that value is subjective and what he provides is not going to be the same for everyone, it depends on where they are in their individual journey and what their specific needs are. But to attempt to completely undermine this man's business on the basis that motek etc are attempting to stand on is unethical and misleading, imo. RP is a consultant and he offers sourcing. The guide is just one facet of his business and obviously it's geared towards people that are not as "in the know" as others. But there is NO question that it will provide immeasurable value to some, while to others it's a throwaway. It's up to individuals to determine the value, not some retarded arm chair chemist that can't type a coherent sentence.
i do agree consulting is worth the price but i dont believe the guide should be sold at all considering the many freely available guides on the clearnet. i would however say a photo guide or a video guide would be worth every penny if he could visually show you step by step and remain anonymous doing it. i think thats my issue with it its easier for me to understand it when i am actually seeing the process verses reading it and when the time comes not knowing what the hell im doing. like i said before tho thats just me and coming from no chem background at all, im sure many people wouldnt have a problem reading and researching and just doing it successfully.
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i do agree consulting is worth the price but i dont believe the guide should be sold at all considering the many freely available guides on the clearnet. i would however say a photo guide or a video guide would be worth every penny if he could visually show you step by step and remain anonymous doing it. i think thats my issue with it its easier for me to understand it when i am actually seeing the process verses reading it and when the time comes not knowing what the hell im doing. like i said before tho thats just me and coming from no chem background at all, im sure many people wouldnt have a problem reading and researching and just doing it successfully.
Lord, i just finished the 30+ pages in this thread.
Been at it since yesterday,my head hurts.
But this is truelly the essence of it all.
If you claim to have a guide for the first time chemist.
MAKE A VIDEO.
Many excell at learning through visuals. plus it solves the trouble with disbelief ..well MOSTLY.
I'm very grateful for the people challenging dr.deepwood throughout this thread.
I wondered so many times about this Ron Paul's add but it seemed to good to be true so i refrained.
This has given me the opportunity to go to the correct forums to learn more.
Don't start with the value bullshit Aurelius.
You know the essence of the issues in this thread. You understand it very well.
Politicians feed us " but.. but.." answers on a daily basis.
Let's limit that as much as possible on SR and fight for intellectual honesty please.
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oh hai d1ssonanc3 I remember you from the vesp.
DrDeepWoods -- I am very familiar with the MDMA route you are selling.
I know several folks who have tried it and failed at the anhydrous amination step. The chemistry is sound -- the iodide being a better leaving group... the reaction seems to happen in minutes. I have successfully yielded amine freebase using your method but have been unable to yield any hcl from gassing it. I know a few others who have had the same results. TLC tells me I've made bromo and iodosafrole with your methods, but something is amiss in the amintaion. Why not present methods that are easier for folks with much less lab experience? Any of the more refined variations of reductive amination for example? Osmium's yields were 80% or better.
I am VERY interested in seeing your Ergot source and culturing techniques. I have a lot of experience with fungi and just need a source.
Best,
Alkaloyd
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So... Any drdeepwood/ ron paul succesfull synths?
(from anyone that doesn't have a financial stake in it, ie, a disinterested party)
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I had no idea this was a well known thing before I bought this guide, I guess I am a loser.
Hmmmm,, well Poops, that's pretty much what motek TOLD anyone WHO was 'prepared to LISTEN' about 20 pages back! . . .
sadly there weren't many :( Just fuckwits like yourself who and trolled the shit out of this thread.
And didn't I TELL you "the Devil's in the Details" Poops? ??? Like this bit you write
I've had some trouble getting what I know is pure NaI. I made some crude NaI but I'm not sure how to tell how pure it is and if the impurities will screw up the reaction. I also have some very pure methylamine (not presumably, this one I'm sure of) in a nice little jar. I just finished building the bubbling thingy out of copper tubing and mason jars and epoxy
Noice bra! Better hit FarceBook and check your wall . . .
High tech encrypted comms, Just what we'd expect from 2 genii (do you use the FB "privacy function? Pretty stupid If you dont! :o ::)
Or even better, Skype, coz "once you've said it, it's "gone" into the aether, and Not even Dog's gomma catch you, when you do it that way! ;)
And to all those members who DID (at least) try to help "expose" the FACT RP/DDW's 'guides' were a RIP OFF!!!
DONT FORGET FOLKS THAT RonPaul/DrDeepWood OFFERED $5000 (to several vendors motek deals with) FOR motek's ADDRESS
A 'cheap and badly written COPY' of "other peoples Hard Work" with NO "unique Tip and Tricks" .... unless you think Bullshit is helpful ::)
AND.............. DONT FORGET FOLKS THAT RonPaul/DrDeepWood OFFERED $5000 to vendors FOR motek's ADDRESS :o :o :o
AND............... DONT FORGET FOLKS THAT RonPaul/DrDeepWood OFFERED $5000 to vendors FOR motek's ADDRESS :o :o :o
AND............... DONT FORGET FOLKS THAT RonPaul/DrDeepWood OFFERED $5000 to vendors FOR motek's ADDRESS :o :o :o
AND............... DONT FORGET FOLKS THAT RonPaul/DrDeepWood OFFERED $5000 to vendors FOR motek's ADDRESS :o :o :o
And WHY WOULD RP/DDW even "think" that ........
"OTHER VENDORS KEEP COPIES of THEIR CUSTOMERS ADDRESSES" :o ??? WTF? :o
UNLESS ...... (at least as RP/DDW "think they do" OR they wouldn't be making these offers to them for $5k for ours!)
And yet, he HAS offered vendors cash for our addy ..........Becoz, apparently. some most certainly DO! :o
PLUS motek IS NOT our SR nym ,,,,,,,, but we KNOW that Poops ratted us out ::)
Hows the tan on your nose Poopers?
TF their shit dont stink AND the sun shines out of RP/DDW's arse, especially for you bro!
We 'recommend at least clear zinc. or in a pinch SPF 50+ for PPW ;)
Happy Happy day All
mighty muddled, mostly munted, maybe me maybe motek x
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I had no idea this was a well known thing before I bought this guide, I guess I am a loser.
Hmmmm,, well Poops, that's pretty much what motek TOLD anyone WHO was 'prepared to LISTEN' about 20 pages back! . . .
sadly there weren't many :( Just fuckwits like yourself who and trolled the shit out of this thread.
And didn't I TELL you "the Devil's in the Details" Poops? ??? Like this bit you write
I've had some trouble getting what I know is pure NaI. I made some crude NaI but I'm not sure how to tell how pure it is and if the impurities will screw up the reaction. I also have some very pure methylamine (not presumably, this one I'm sure of) in a nice little jar. I just finished building the bubbling thingy out of copper tubing and mason jars and epoxy
Noice bra! Better hit FarceBook and check your wall . . .
High tech encrypted comms, Just what we'd expect from 2 genii (do you use the FB "privacy function? Pretty stupid If you dont! :o ::)
Or even better, Skype, coz "once you've said it, it's "gone" into the aether, and Not even Dog's gomma catch you, when you do it that way! ;)
And to all those members who DID (at least) try to help "expose" the FACT RP/DDW's 'guides' were a RIP OFF!!!
DONT FORGET FOLKS THAT RonPaul/DrDeepWood OFFERED $5000 (to several vendors motek deals with) FOR motek's ADDRESS
A 'cheap and badly written COPY' of "other peoples Hard Work" with NO "unique Tip and Tricks" .... unless you think Bullshit is helpful ::)
AND.............. DONT FORGET FOLKS THAT RonPaul/DrDeepWood OFFERED $5000 to vendors FOR motek's ADDRESS :o :o :o
AND............... DONT FORGET FOLKS THAT RonPaul/DrDeepWood OFFERED $5000 to vendors FOR motek's ADDRESS :o :o :o
AND............... DONT FORGET FOLKS THAT RonPaul/DrDeepWood OFFERED $5000 to vendors FOR motek's ADDRESS :o :o :o
AND............... DONT FORGET FOLKS THAT RonPaul/DrDeepWood OFFERED $5000 to vendors FOR motek's ADDRESS :o :o :o
And WHY WOULD RP/DDW even "think" that ........
"OTHER VENDORS KEEP COPIES of THEIR CUSTOMERS ADDRESSES" :o ??? WTF? :o
UNLESS ...... (at least as RP/DDW "think they do" OR they wouldn't be making these offers to them for $5k for ours!)
And yet, he HAS offered vendors cash for our addy ..........Becoz, apparently. some most certainly DO! :o
PLUS motek IS NOT our SR nym ,,,,,,,, but we KNOW that Poops ratted us out ::)
Hows the tan on your nose Poopers?
TF their shit dont stink AND the sun shines out of RP/DDW's arse, especially for you bro!
We 'recommend at least clear zinc. or in a pinch SPF 50+ for PPW ;)
Happy Happy day All
mighty muddled, mostly munted, maybe me maybe motek x
Did he actually do that Motek? Have you got proof of that? I'm not saying he didn't it's just quite the accusation yano.
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Yes matey he actually DID .......and the 'matter' HAS been reported to SR admin (and Of course I HAVE COPIES of these pm's)
One vendor (who I have a great relationship with) first sent me a pm saying something like,
"mate, I just got a pm from another vendor who says you are trying to blackmail he has even offered me $5000 for your address!
Have you got anything to say about this?"
We could tell, from the 'tone' of his pm, that he was, and "this was" SERIOUS!"
so we immediately replied
And the FIRST thing we did, was to TELL him (Not ASK) something like this
"We are CERTAIN you must have been contacted by either or both, Ron Paul/DrDeepWood, and then we gave him a brief description about "what REALLY was happening" AND gave him links to various threads about RP/DDW etc" as well as a few copies of pm's from RP/DDW
He pm'd us back in about 10 mins saying something like .........
"Yes mate, it WAS Ron Paul, he offered me $5000 for your address! Of course I did not give it to him. EVEN IF i had it,
(ALL my addresses are 'automatically destroyed" once the label has been printed")
Since then, I have had a buch of offers from RANDOM VENDORS "offering motek FREE DRUGS!!!
(who give me some Bullshit "reason" as to "why they chose us!?") which I would thank them for, and then gracefully decline their generous offer (although the thought of making an order and giving the address of the local church or maybe the methadone clinic in town! lol)
Yes Limitless I truly wish I could say otherwise, BUT, the TRUTH is ......that fuckin lowlife did, OFFER VENDORS CASH FOR OUR ADDRESS!
and if one half of motek got their hands/feet whatever on that piece of shit ..... it would be an ugly event, but I'd have a happy man!
m m m motek
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Hey guys.... this thread kind of got off track....
Anyways, my name is Johnny. I sell Lab Glass and Lab Glass Accessories. I've been working with RPs and probably DDW's customers for a few months now, helping them with their set ups and doing consulting. We specialize in full custom set ups for synthesis, distillation and filtration. The kind of set ups you need to do these kinds of synths.
For everyone who buys a tek from RP, we have special offers and upgrades we offer including shipping upgrades and free initial consulting.
For more info, feel free to hit us up on SR (when its back up). Our full set ups usually are 20-30pc. Its sad that people are thinking they can do these synths in plastic buckets... thats not how we do things, and I hope that people aren't really doing that.
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Damn, that's pretty dark. Fuck him then if he's into doing that kind of shit.
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shit just got real
:D
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I had no idea this was a well known thing before I bought this guide, I guess I am a loser.
Hmmmm,, well Poops, that's pretty much what motek TOLD anyone WHO was 'prepared to LISTEN' about 20 pages back! . . .
I bought the guide before this thread even existed. You're dumb.
And didn't I TELL you "the Devil's in the Details" Poops? ??? Like this bit you write
I've had some trouble getting what I know is pure NaI. I made some crude NaI but I'm not sure how to tell how pure it is and if the impurities will screw up the reaction. I also have some very pure methylamine (not presumably, this one I'm sure of) in a nice little jar. I just finished building the bubbling thingy out of copper tubing and mason jars and epoxy
Was this supposed to mean something or be some kind of point? NaI is available on SR. I have not been able to purchase it because of the attack. I don't see how this is relevant. And it turns out I don't even really need NaI....
Noice bra! Better hit FarceBook and check your wall . . .
High tech encrypted comms, Just what we'd expect from 2 genii (do you use the FB "privacy function? Pretty stupid If you dont! :o ::)
Or even better, Skype, coz "once you've said it, it's "gone" into the aether, and Not even Dog's gomma catch you, when you do it that way! ;)
Translation?????
And to all those members who DID (at least) try to help "expose" the FACT RP/DDW's 'guides' were a RIP OFF!!!
I guess I am retarded because knowing what I know now I still don't feel ripped off.
DONT FORGET FOLKS THAT RonPaul/DrDeepWood OFFERED $5000 (to several vendors motek deals with) FOR motek's ADDRESS
AND.............. DONT FORGET FOLKS THAT RonPaul/DrDeepWood OFFERED $5000 to vendors FOR motek's ADDRESS :o :o :o
AND............... DONT FORGET FOLKS THAT RonPaul/DrDeepWood OFFERED $5000 to vendors FOR motek's ADDRESS :o :o :o
AND............... DONT FORGET FOLKS THAT RonPaul/DrDeepWood OFFERED $5000 to vendors FOR motek's ADDRESS :o :o :o
AND............... DONT FORGET FOLKS THAT RonPaul/DrDeepWood OFFERED $5000 to vendors FOR motek's ADDRESS :o :o :o
And WHY WOULD RP/DDW even "think" that ........
"OTHER VENDORS KEEP COPIES of THEIR CUSTOMERS ADDRESSES" :o ??? WTF? :o
UNLESS ...... (at least as RP/DDW "think they do" OR they wouldn't be making these offers to them for $5k for ours!)
And yet, he HAS offered vendors cash for our addy ..........Becoz, apparently. some most certainly DO! :o
So can you actually post proof of this like people have been asking you since you first made this claim? You told everyone that RP was banned and that was an outright lie so I don't see how anyone is supposed to believe you. Maybe have one of those vendors post in this thread or something?
PLUS motek IS NOT our SR nym ,,,,,,,, but we KNOW that Poops ratted us out ::)
Hows the tan on your nose Poopers?
TF their shit dont stink AND the sun shines out of RP/DDW's arse, especially for you bro!
We 'recommend at least clear zinc. or in a pinch SPF 50+ for PPW ;)
What is SR nvm
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dont worry about it mate, but hey I thought you said you NEVER PAID anything BUT
I bought the guide before this thread even existed
The Truth comes out eh? BTW dude, I've got NOTHING I either want to or care to "prove" to you .... keep on sniffin champ ;)
Just show us the Proof of YOUR "guaranteed" "I'll have completed this synth BY the end of the month? (with photos yeah?)
I should have taken the bet!
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Photos ain't jack, you need a HNMR/HPLC lol.
Makes me laugh how you guys are still fighting though, well done on the staying power haha. :P
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BTW dude, I've got NOTHING I either want to or care to "prove" to you .... keep on sniffin champ ;)
So your going to make extreme accusations in caps lock and then refuse to post any evidence to back yourself up whatsoever?
Yes you should have taken that bet. Dumb logistical shit slowed me way down, I really wanted to just do this and get it done whether I failed or not and then just be done with it. It's not something I have a particular interest in pursuing anything beyond this attempt, I was just feeling bored it just seemed like a great project. I'm still very confident I will get at least some quantity of MDMA, although it might not have been as much as I was expecting. I don't know whether the portion that turned into sludge can be saved or if I should just toss it and be done with it.
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I'm pretty sure I saw a very close guide to Ron Paul's on totse2. Looks like it was reworded a bit and some stuff added but has same title. Also give Ron Paul my address and we can split the 5 grand motek lol
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Also give Ron Paul my address and we can split the 5 grand motek lol
But...I gots to be a vendor brian :P ??? :-\ Great idea tho 8)
I don't know whether the portion that turned into sludge can be saved or if I should just toss it and be done with it.
Did I not TELL YOU bro, that you WOULD BE making "tar" about 10-15 pages back?
You REALLY DIDN'T READ hardly ANY of what I posted DID you Poops? ::)
And the photos were so we could "appreciate the tar" (shit, sorry , I meant "kilos of shards" and 'fat stacks of cash" ...the kind RP/DDW offer other vendors for customers addresses >:(
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Also give Ron Paul my address and we can split the 5 grand motek lol
But...I gots to be a vendor brian :P ??? :-\ Great idea tho 8)
I don't know whether the portion that turned into sludge can be saved or if I should just toss it and be done with it.
Did I not TELL YOU bro, that you WOULD BE making "tar" about 10-15 pages back?
You REALLY DIDN'T READ hardly ANY of what I posted DID you Poops? ::)
And the photos were so we could "appreciate the tar" (shit, sorry , I meant "kilos of shards" and 'fat stacks of cash" ...the kind RP/DDW offer other vendors for customers addresses >:(
The tar could have been entirely my fault. The stopcock on my seporatory funnel broke in the middle of me purifying the bromo compound and I had to let some of the reacted mix sit in my freezer for an extra few days longer than it was supposed to before I found a new funnel. I still have a good amount of bromosafrole so I don't really care all that much. Like I said I am strictly doing this for entertainment purposes, if I was doing it for money I would have scaled up much much more.... and not blatantly bragged on the forums about it. I don't see you doing any synthesis motek, how's that armchair treating you? I think it's kind of funny you are trying to make a huge deal out of what may have simply been a beginner's mistake. jeeze motek only you had taken that bet you could be a lot richer right now, it's a shame you are a spineless coward who couldn't put your money where your mouth was. Worst case scenario I fail and I'm going to be out is $20 from ONE person who actually took my bet. If that doesn't prove that talk is cheap, I don't know what does.
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I think it's kind of funny you are trying to make a huge deal out of what may have simply been a beginner's mistake.
This ^^^^ was moteks ORIGINAL COMPLAINT with these guides.....DDW SAYS "ANY NOOB WITH A BIT OF SKILL, can, and will make KILOS OF SHARDS
I refuted this, saying I doubted this VERY MUCH (as you have kindly told us IS the case) and that it was "inherently dangerous"
@AV ...hmmmm m m m m motek might just be something they dont "seem" .......I guess you could almost call it "faking it" ..... to "assume" about motek is a mistake :)
As RP/DDW have already found out .............ask yourself "why the fuck would RP care about this 'troll'....unless we "hit a nerve" ....or maybe even an artery! lol
I must honestly say I've had my misgivings with you AV but as posts go by, we're open to considering you aint half bad!
Take car all
m m m motek
P.S poopers, remember this comment of yours a few weeks ago???
Like I said, I will be doing it within the next three weeks. I have a life and need time to synthesize the methylamine and then it will be a few days before I will have time again to follow through with the actual synthesis of MDMA. Do not twist my words, do you want me to go back and quote motek's posts where he many times makes the claim that the guide is useless/poorly represented/a rip off or any of his other unjustified claims?
Frankly if I do not have any brains this should be proof enough that any (careful) moron can complete this synth if I am capable of being successful
Uh huh! ;D
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but........the "question" is, why THEN would we take the "BLUE PILL" and not the red one?
its all love motek honestly if I am posting on silkroad I am probably extremely high. you know that's how these things work.
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This ^^^^ was moteks ORIGINAL COMPLAINT with these guides.....DDW SAYS "ANY NOOB WITH A BIT OF SKILL, can, and will make KILOS OF SHARDS
I refuted this, saying I doubted this VERY MUCH (as you have kindly told us IS the case) and that it was "inherently dangerous"
Uh I literally broke a piece of glass that I ended up having to acquire very quickly and in the meantime my reaction mix kinda just sat in the freezer for way too long. How is this anything but my fault? It literally has nothing to do with the guide, I just made a very basic mistake which is going to decrease my yield. I never even planned on making kilo's of shards, I just wanted to test this shit out.
Stating doubt is not a refutation. At all. It's literally just not. You're still a fucking retard and the PM you sent me literally does not make sense and I can't even understand what you asked me. Seriously fucking proofread what you type you fucktard or I'm not going to bother responding to you.
Like I said, I will be doing it within the next three weeks. I have a life and need time to synthesize the methylamine and then it will be a few days before I will have time again to follow through with the actual synthesis of MDMA. Do not twist my words, do you want me to go back and quote motek's posts where he many times makes the claim that the guide is useless/poorly represented/a rip off or any of his other unjustified claims?
Frankly if I do not have any brains this should be proof enough that any (careful) moron can complete this synth if I am capable of being successful
Uh huh! ;D
And then I broke my separatory funnel and ordered a new one. And then SR got hacker attacked and I couldn't order a precursor (remember how I said I consulted RP and he convinced me not to use the reagent I prepared myself and should just order it pure?). And then after doing some research I decided to deviate form the guide and substitute for a different reagent. Good thing for me you didn't take that bet right? I could have been out a lot of money haha, I am so retarded for trying to make a bet like that. I still stand by my statement that if a stupid retarded moron like myself can pull this off, anyone can. And if I fail I still have no shame in having tried and failed because like I said, I know it to be true that I am an incompetent moron who needs to wear Velcro because I can't even tie shoe laces. You literally did not even comprehend the statement of mine that you quoted.
As someone who has gone all the way to Iodosafrole and methylamine (finally figured out how to hook up that water aspirator last night), I really do not see what the big deal is or what it is that is so dangerous about the guide if you use some basic safety measures. Like really basic. Like gloves, respirator, and not using a lighter around open beakers of acetone. Assuming you can follow really basic instructions this process is really easy regardless of whether or not you believe RP is ripping people off by selling his version of the synthesis for this price. Anything I had even the slightest doubt about I just asked RP and he cleared it up for me almost every time. I literally fucked up the first step by breaking crucial glassware right off the bat but I'm still confident I will yield a good amount of MDMA.
Motek quoted the guide and PM'ed me saying he has proof that there are vendors that were offered money for his address, and basically acted as if him saying this constituted proof. He posted earlier that he did not see any reason at all to back up his statements "on this forum". He lied and said that RP was banned from the marketplace. Am I literally the ONLY one who see's all of this as fairly shady? I'm honestly not even trying to claim that it didn't happen, but he hasn't so much as offered even a speckle of evidence so far and has been spamming his accusations quite a bit and literally refuses to respond to any of my posts which point out the discrepancies and inaccuracies of what she has said.
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Oh Poops I dont know if you're jjust young and dumb, or trolling us :-\
and the PM you sent me literally does not make sense and I can't even understand what you asked me
LOL bro I sent you a fuckin COPY OF THE "GUIDE" :o I'm laughing as I type this ;D but maybe we really should be sad :-\ :(
to quote you later Assuming you can follow really basic instructions this process is really easy regardless
but........the "question" is, why THEN would we take the "BLUE PILL" and not the red one?
its all love motek honestly if I am posting on silkroad I am probably extremely high. you know that's how these things work.
hmmm...yes, to the first question ....and we couldn't agree more with your final remark
its all love motek honestly if I am posting on silkroad I am probably extremely high. you know that's how these things work.[/quote
Yeah bro, definitely, ;D
sorry if weveEVER offended you :-[
by the way as my "way" of making it "up" to you, I was GOING to offer you some FREE SHARDS ......................... "if you would just give me your fucking address plz"
FIRST thing I've read on this forum that made ne BURST out laughing ;D 8) Thanx AV 8) Stay cool amigo ;)
m m m m m motek :)
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Oh Poops I dont know if you're jjust young and dumb, or trolling us :-\
How the fuck do you not know that I'm dumb and that I'm trolling you? I literally explain this in every fucking one of my posts. Do you not see the little blurb beneath my avatar? Are you literally that much of a total fucking moron? I'm not exactly subtle about being a retarded brain damaged troll.
LOL bro I sent you a fuckin COPY OF THE "GUIDE" :o I'm laughing as I type this ;D but maybe we really should be sad :-\ :(
I already have a copy of the guide. Everyone knows you already have a copy of the guide. Why would you send me a copy of the guide? This literally makes not sense. I even stated in my post that I did not know why you sent me a copy of the guide. I don't fucking need it, I have it already.
[to quote you later Assuming you can follow really basic instructions this process is really easy regardless
Why are you quoting this? You literally did not add anything.
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@Poppermachine: Please don't misinterpret this post, I have nothing against you personally, in fact given that your posts are generally well thought out, intelligent, and, most of all, coherent, I like you more than the vast majority of people on SR(Note: Just because my posts are often lacking in coherency does not make that statement hypocritical! 8)).
Whilst my stance in this argument has always been "Is it an original synthesis as claimed? If so, is the advertisement inaccurate and likely to induce overconfidence from the customers purchasing it when attempting to use it?" I'd like to deviate from that to address some of the points you have made.
The most difficult step in an Iodosafrole synthesis will probably be fractional distillation. Fractional distillation is one of the most basic procedures in chemistry, so 'going all the way to iodosafrole' is not a great way to exemplify proficiency gained from DDW's product. Likewise, methylamine requires the even more basic procedure of refluxing. I don't doubt that it would be a daunting task to someone with no lab experience to draw on, but in hindsight, you have to admit it is not a difficult task.
Breaking a piece of glassware doesn't constitute a fuck up as far as chemistry goes imo, it's more likely just a single occasion of clumsiness from what you've described, and no impact either way on proving/disproving the legitimacy of it. Also, fuckup's happen, wait until the first time you reflux and the reaction becomes too exothermic, then you will have some fun times.
As you said earlier:
And if I fail I still have no shame in having tried and failed...
I quite like this attitude, it removes the self-imposed limits people put on their capabilities in regards to a lot of things, organic synthesis included. However I think if you really believe this, you should not try to take shortcuts, and instead learn from the ground up. It will invariably lead to a greater understanding of the subject and will result in a much lower chance of failure. I spent almost all of last week reading every single thread in every forum in both 'The hive' and the 'Synthetical' archives, its extremely interesting and the knowledge from it has been invaluable.
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@Poppermachine: Please don't misinterpret this post, I have nothing against you personally, in fact given that your posts are generally well thought out, intelligent, and, most of all, coherent, I like you more than the vast majority of people on SR(Note: Just because my posts are often lacking in coherency does not make that statement hypocritical! 8)).
That's a bit of a stretch. Popper and every other person that bought this guide (at least those that have commented) are the MDMA equivalent of "shake and bake" meth cooks. They seem to be more interested in spending thousands of dollars on a sketchy, unproven guide than taking the time to gain any practical chemistry knowledge. These are the kind of people that help get precursors banned and tarnish image of the amateur chemistry scene as a whole (clandestine or not).
I'm also pretty shocked at the immaturity displayed on this thread. 35 pages later and there's still more childish bickering and unreadable, off-topic bullshit than there are comments actually addressing the thread topic. Makes me wonder if anyone here is over 16...
The most difficult step in an Iodosafrole synthesis will probably be fractional distillation. Fractional distillation is one of the most basic procedures in chemistry, so 'going all the way to iodosafrole' is not a great way to exemplify proficiency gained from DDW's product. Likewise, methylamine requires the even more basic procedure of refluxing. I don't doubt that it would be a daunting task to someone with no lab experience to draw on, but in hindsight, you have to admit it is not a difficult task.
Breaking a piece of glassware doesn't constitute a fuck up as far as chemistry goes imo, it's more likely just a single occasion of clumsiness from what you've described, and no impact either way on proving/disproving the legitimacy of it. Also, fuckup's happen, wait until the first time you reflux and the reaction becomes too exothermic, then you will have some fun times.
As you said earlier:
And if I fail I still have no shame in having tried and failed...
I quite like this attitude, it removes the self-imposed limits people put on their capabilities in regards to a lot of things, organic synthesis included. However I think if you really believe this, you should not try to take shortcuts, and instead learn from the ground up. It will invariably lead to a greater understanding of the subject and will result in a much lower chance of failure. I spent almost all of last week reading every single thread in every forum in both 'The hive' and the 'Synthetical' archives, its extremely interesting and the knowledge from it has been invaluable.
"Easy" might not be the right word to describe a MDMA synthesis. Maybe in theory and for armchair chemists, but real life tends to be far less forgiving. That's especially true for people following "recipes" that don't know an acid from a base, because they won't be able to revise their methods if something goes wrong. DDW's consultation might help with this, but he won't be able to solve everything by simple typing on his computer.
At the very least, you should have read Strike's Total Synth. or googled "MDMA synths 4 newbz" before dropping that much coin on a pipe dream. There's already a ton of information freely available and in a much better format, so it boggles the mind why anyone would fork out $580 on a horribly written guide with such an obscure synth method. And regardless of what ultimately happens here, it was a fucking terrible idea to put that much blind faith into something you had no way of verifying.
Oh, and the actual synth. is only one step in the game. Obtaining the necessary precursors and setting up a lab without getting watched are a formidable challenge to those with little experience. So is unloading bulk quantities of MDMA, especially the prison sentences involved. Not exactly the type of "hobby" I'd be taking up on a whim, especially if I don't know what the fuck I'm doing when it comes to anything chemistry related.
Props to popper for actually trying this out though. Years from now, when he's the leader of a multi million dollar drug syndicate, I hope he'll still remember how he earned his first $20 in bitcoins.
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wow just read all 36 pages in 2 days. if you are reading this before you have read the beginning of the thread then SAVE YOURSELF. DO NOT READ ALL 36 PAGES
i appreciate waht motek did here. and to sum it up motek shows the true value of this Scam! he shows that the true value of this is nothing. im glad this was debunked
but gotta give it to RP /DDW for marketing a brilliant idea ;)
thanks again motek and others who chimed in :))))
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Motek, why did you say DDW got banned when he clearly didn't? It's been over two weeks, if he really tried to do what you say he did, he should have been banned already.
Not calling you a liar (nor vice versa), but this is too disturbing of an issue not to be resolved asap.
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I was told he had been banned ..... I said Ron Paul actually ..... must be different acc's .....it was RP who "made the offers" .... is RP about?
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I was told he had been banned ..... I said Ron Paul actually ..... must be different acc's .....it was RP who "made the offers" .... is RP about?
That doesn't make any sense... I think there's another Ron Paul vendor, but there's no possible way you'd be mixing them up here.
Although I'm still on your side, you're making it very hard for me to believe you. No rational person would be as nonchalant about this as you seem to be.
You're right DigitalDong, at this point, we're just repeating ourselves. This thread has really gone downhill since its glory years on pages 7-14. If motek doesn't turn out to be DrDeepWood's son by page 45, I'm changing the channel.
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The answer to the OP on this thread is a big fat NO. Can we put this thread out of its misery now?
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no
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The answer to the OP on this thread is a big fat NO. Can we put this thread out of its misery now?
False. A well known vendor has reported that they completed this synthesis on a small scale.
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He's using the Hoffman rearrangement for the MDA synthesis -- it's a 25% yield from Helional.
I'm wondering why he avoided the NaN3 reaction to yield the desired amine -- with typical 80% yields.
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The answer to the OP on this thread is a big fat NO. Can we put this thread out of its misery now?
False. A well known vendor has reported that they completed this synthesis on a small scale.
We have an interested party with a financial interest in this guide confirming a completed synthesis. A disinterested party is required for confirmations, ie, someone that is not mentioned in the guide as a source for precursors.
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The answer to the OP on this thread is a big fat NO. Can we put this thread out of its misery now?
False. A well known vendor has reported that they completed this synthesis on a small scale.
We have an interested party with a financial interest in this guide confirming a completed synthesis. A disinterested party is required for confirmations, ie, someone that is not mentioned in the guide as a source for precursors.
actually limetless isnt financially tied to DDW as far as i know.
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id been ignoring this thread for so long because im a purist that thinks drums are better sounding real instead of a drum machine.
i was always confused though.. i never never that ron paul had a synth band.. confused though is the band called "ron paul and the dr deepwoods" ? or is it called "dr deepwood and the ron paul successful synths"? it sounds like quite a mouthful for a band.
and wow how does ron paul take the time out from his politics to write music? i would have though ron paul would be too busy reading books about austrian economics tp ever had the time to take a dump, little less write music and have a synth band!
who is dr deepwood anyway? is that rand paul?? he might be busy as well.
what kinds of songs do they write? songs about liberty? sounds about buildings 7? do they have a song called "controlled demolition"?
when mainstream media refered to ron paul supporters as "fanboys" i didmnt realised they meant fans as in "fans of his music"... but why no "fan girls"? why not be inclusive and casll them just fans?
why do some call them "paultards" is that the name of one of their songs or albums?
and why are you people all learning ron paul synths - dont you think it might be better to go to a music forum? this is a drug forum. we talk about drugs here, not learning how to play synths
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He's using the Hoffman rearrangement for the MDA synthesis -- it's a 25% yield from Helional.
I'm wondering why he avoided the NaN3 reaction to yield the desired amine -- with typical 80% yields.
The reaction scheme using NaN3 will always be an armchair chemists circlejerk session. Sure it looks easy enough but its not practical at all. You do realize that NaN3 is used in airbag ignitors.... Its one thing to play with flammable chemicals, its another to play with explosives.
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He's using the Hoffman rearrangement for the MDA synthesis -- it's a 25% yield from Helional.
I'm wondering why he avoided the NaN3 reaction to yield the desired amine -- with typical 80% yields.
The reaction scheme using NaN3 will always be an armchair chemists circlejerk session. Sure it looks easy enough but its not practical at all. You do realize that NaN3 is used in airbag ignitors.... Its one thing to play with flammable chemicals, its another to play with explosives.
hey would you be able to do a photo/video synth guide since it would be a great idea? Been said a few times just wanted to hear ur thoughts on the subject.
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[/quote] hey would you be able to do a photo/video synth guide since it would be a great idea? Been said a few times just wanted to hear ur thoughts on the subject.
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I really would like to make a video guide... The problem is I am not active ATM so I am waiting until my partners get their large scale synthesis underway. First on the list is largescale LSD then maybe MDA or MDMA further down the line. As you can imagine they don't want to do anything like this until they have perfected the synthesis and made enough money to where finances are no longer a concern.
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I really would like to make a video guide... The problem is I am not active ATM so I am waiting until my partners get their large scale synthesis underway. First on the list is largescale LSD then maybe MDA or MDMA further down the line. As you can imagine they don't want to do anything like this until they have perfected the synthesis and made enough money to where finances are no longer a concern.
LSD...?
you manipulate people with the titles of your listings, therefor get wrong ideas about complication of pulling such synthesis, not in a kitchen atleast or a bathroom.
MDA can easily be obtained by forming the oxime and reducing to the amine using NaBH3CN..
MDMA is made easily using hydrogenation over Pt/C 10%.
It's ridiculous you charge for knowledge, it should be shared freely my friend, else you have no one that can improve your synthesis with you (efficiency), different perspective on things is good for that.
anyway this topic is really old
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I really would like to make a video guide... The problem is I am not active ATM so I am waiting until my partners get their large scale synthesis underway. First on the list is largescale LSD then maybe MDA or MDMA further down the line. As you can imagine they don't want to do anything like this until they have perfected the synthesis and made enough money to where finances are no longer a concern.
I would DEF be interested in video guide. I am much more of a visual learner.
same here.
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I think it's clear that's never going to happen.
And +1 to you ruthenium.
Glad you're back.
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Hey guys! Long time!
Ruthy! Good to see you! what's with bumping this ole thread?
not like it needs promotion! but nice to see you back, I'm sure to provide some more cool posts, excellent!
mmm
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lol...lol
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SpaceAce +1 for the name bro! 8) classic great manga! Galaxy rings! woooo!
mmm ;)
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SpaceAce +1 for the name bro! 8) classic great manga! Galaxy rings! woooo!
mmm ;)
I have no idea what you are talking about but +1 to you when I get 100 posts for bringing down justice on Drdeepwood. lol :p
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lol Space Ace was a Japanese Manga cartoon from the 1970's ... I liked it a lot as a kid!
And thanks for the kind words abut my efforts here, as you can see, it was good to finish!
mmm
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I liked the Rhodium chapter in Strike's Total Synthesis II.
;)
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lol Space Ace was a Japanese Manga cartoon from the 1970's ... I liked it a lot as a kid!
And thanks for the kind words abut my efforts here, as you can see, it was good to finish!
mmm
+1 <3
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I've had luck with the DDW's MDMA synth......
Waiting for my kilo of methylamine to come in because I HATE MAKING THAT FUCKING SHIT.
Did a small batch several weeks ago. All 50 grams were gone in a weekend, and everyone is waiting for more. But I will not go home smelling of formalin. Man I hate that shit.
Gassing seems to be the biggest BITCH, besides making methylamine. I fucked up many a batch of reductively aminated (aluminum amalgamation using Nitromethane) mdma before I switched to titrating....
Whats up with all the DDW hate?
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I've had luck with the DDW's MDMA synth......
Waiting for my kilo of methylamine to come in because I HATE MAKING THAT FUCKING SHIT.
Did a small batch several weeks ago. All 50 grams were gone in a weekend, and everyone is waiting for more. But I will not go home smelling of formalin. Man I hate that shit.
Gassing seems to be the biggest BITCH, besides making methylamine. I fucked up many a batch of reductively aminated (aluminum amalgamation using Nitromethane) mdma before I switched to titrating....
Whats up with all the DDW hate?
Charging money for information literally makes you minion of Satan.
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I've had luck with the DDW's MDMA synth......
Waiting for my kilo of methylamine to come in because I HATE MAKING THAT FUCKING SHIT.
Did a small batch several weeks ago. All 50 grams were gone in a weekend, and everyone is waiting for more. But I will not go home smelling of formalin. Man I hate that shit.
Gassing seems to be the biggest BITCH, besides making methylamine. I fucked up many a batch of reductively aminated (aluminum amalgamation using Nitromethane) mdma before I switched to titrating....
Whats up with all the DDW hate?
Charging money for information literally makes you minion of Satan.
Well at least I'll be a rich from that minion with my half kilo of mdma...
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I've had luck with the DDW's MDMA synth......
Waiting for my kilo of methylamine to come in because I HATE MAKING THAT FUCKING SHIT.
Did a small batch several weeks ago. All 50 grams were gone in a weekend, and everyone is waiting for more. But I will not go home smelling of formalin. Man I hate that shit.
Gassing seems to be the biggest BITCH, besides making methylamine. I fucked up many a batch of reductively aminated (aluminum amalgamation using Nitromethane) mdma before I switched to titrating....
Whats up with all the DDW hate?
Charging money for information literally makes you minion of Satan.
Hi Popper.
We're watching you.
Respectfully,
George.
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Gassing seems to be the biggest BITCH, besides making methylamine. I fucked up many a batch of reductively aminated (aluminum amalgamation using Nitromethane) mdma before I switched to titrating....
Whats up with all the DDW hate?
It's easy to tell you are bullshitting because what you wrote here makes no sense.
You switched from reductive amination to titrating? Awesome! I wish I could add a methyl group by dropping H2SO4 onto table salt :(.
Hey, out of interest, when you added the NaBr to the GAA/H2SO4, what happened in the flask?
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Gassing seems to be the biggest BITCH, besides making methylamine. I fucked up many a batch of reductively aminated (aluminum amalgamation using Nitromethane) mdma before I switched to titrating....
Whats up with all the DDW hate?
It's easy to tell you are bullshitting because what you wrote here makes no sense.
You switched from reductive amination to titrating? Awesome! I wish I could add a methyl group by dropping H2SO4 onto table salt :(.
Hey, out of interest, when you added the NaBr to the GAA/H2SO4, what happened in the flask?
hear hear!
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Goodbye old thread...