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Discussion => Drug safety => Topic started by: Meatgrinder on December 19, 2012, 11:00 am
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Hey guys,
whats the max dosage of MDMA before it gets toxic?
I'm 98kg, 5'7" - I usually double drop my pills (100mg each), is there room for error/any point dropping a 3rd on the start or just a waste? or anything else that can heighten my roll? tolerance is medium? Can drop 2 then 1 every hour afterwards for 7-10 hours no issues. Also have a bit of gear to keep me awake (depending how many hours I worked during the week)
Cheers
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Read this before you dose too much.
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=66048.0
From my own experience dosing MDMA too high has a lot of negative effects. Stick to what they suggest in that thread and you will find the pleasure this drug can bring without the negative parts of it.
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I saw guys puking from 2 pills at once... Be careful!
I've never had an issue with 2 at once, nor has anyone else I know, even the hardcore rave mates I have.
Read this before you dose too much.
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=66048.0
From my own experience dosing MDMA too high has a lot of negative effects. Stick to what they suggest in that thread and you will find the pleasure this drug can bring without the negative parts of it.
Cheers for the link, will give it a read. Never had any negative side effects from 2, 1, 1,1 etc over a whole night, but can't hurt to read more on the subject :)
Thanks guys!
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200mg is fine IMO, just dont go over it, I had half a gram once and the blues almost killed me. Just stick to what the thread I've linked you says and you will really have no issues.
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as a drug user, LD50 is a term you need to get familiar with really soon. you should also get used to entering that term with the name of the drug you're thinking of ingesting into the search engine of your choice...for example i entered "LD50 MDMA" into google and came up with the following:
The single dose LD50 in humans can only be guessed at, but is probably on the order of 10-20 mg/kg. (LD50 means the dose that will kill 50% of people who take it.) At 130 lbs (60kg), that means a single dose of 600-1200 mg. In recent years, law enforcement reports that the average MDMA content of ecstasy pills has fallen to about 70mg/tablet, so you'd have to take 10-20 pills to achieve a dose which is 50% likely to be fatal. There are fewer than 100 fatalities per year in the US where MDMA is detected, and fewer than 10 where it is the ONLY drug detected.
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It may be worth noting that there are actually very few actual cases of MDMA overdose because the LD50 is so high, but if someone dies with MDMA in their system it could be due to any number of factors that aren't actual overdoses.
For instance, if you took 100mg MDMA and combined it with DXM, you may die die from serotonin syndrome rather than an MDMA overdose. There is a major difference between death from MDMA OD and death from combinations.
This isn't to say go wild and do as much as you want, but just be aware that there is a lot of misconception between what is dangerous and what is just media hype and misinformation from myths. MDMA is relatively safe when it is not combined with certain other substances and certain precautions are taken :)
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I've had a meltdown from dropping a second mdma cap during a nye party years ago.
Dropped it an hour after the first cap. I had to leave the party, went home, and sat in a chair staring at the floor for 3 hours with sweat just dripping off me.
They would have been 200mg caps easy, so having 2 within 2 hours was a big mistake. I'm 6'3" and 90kg and used a lot of E before so i was very surprised it happened. :P
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Cheers guys, info is great.
Just quickly, what shouldn't be mixed with MDMA, to avoid death from combinations etc
Thanks, appreciate it
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as far as i know...never ever combine MDMA with
- DXM
- 2C-T-7
- any MAOIs like
List of MAOIs
Herbal Drugs
Selective MAO-A Inhibitors
Harmala alkaloids (found in Coffee,[27] Syrian rue,[28]
Resveratrol[29] (found in Japanese knotweed and skin of red grapes)
Nonselective MAO-A/MAO-B Inhibitors
Curcumin[30] (found in Turmeric)
Rhodiola rosea[31] (active constituent(s) unknown)
Ruta graveolens[32] (active constituent(s) unknown)
Ginkgo biloba[33]
Anthocyanins[34]
Proanthocyanidin[35]
Selective MAO-B inhibitors
Epicatechin[36]
Emodin[37] (found in Fo-Ti)
Gentiana lutea[38] (active constituent(s) unknown)
Pharmaceutical Drugs
Nonselective MAO-A/MAO-B Inhibitors
Hydrazines
Benmoxin (Nerusil, Neuralex)
Hydralazine (Apresoline)
Iproclozide (Sursum)
Iproniazid (Marsilid, Iprozid, Ipronid, Rivivol, Propilniazida)
Isocarboxazid (Marplan)
Isoniazid (Laniazid, Nydrazid)
Mebanazine (Actomol)
Nialamide (Niamid)
Octamoxin (Ximaol, Nimaol)
Phenelzine (Nardil, Nardelzine)
Pheniprazine (Catron)
Phenoxypropazine (Drazine)
Pivalylbenzhydrazine (Tersavid)
Procarbazine (Matulane, Natulan, Indicarb)
Safrazine (Safra)
Non-Hydrazines
Caroxazone (Surodil, Timostenil)
Echinopsidine (Adepren)
Furazolidone (Furoxone, Dependal-M)
Linezolid (Zyvox, Zyvoxam, Zyvoxid)
Tranylcypromine (Parnate, Jatrosom)
Selective MAO-A Inhibitors
Brofaromine (Consonar)
Metralindole (Inkazan)
Minaprine (Cantor)
Moclobemide (Aurorix, Manerix)
Pirlindole (Pirazidol)
Toloxatone (Humoryl)
Selective MAO-B Inhibitors
Lazabemide (Pakio, Tempium)
Pargyline (Eutonyl)
Rasagiline (Azilect)
Selegiline (Deprenyl, Eldepryl, Emsam)
Research Compounds
Nonselective MAO-A/MAO-B Inhibitors
Hydrazines
Metfendrazine
Selective MAO-A Inhibitors
Amiflamine
Bazinaprine
Befloxatone
Cimoxatone
Clorgyline
Esuprone
Eprobemide (Befol)
Methylene Blue
Pirlindole
Sercloremine
Tetrindole
Thesputiaint
CX157 (Tyrima)
Selective MAO-B Inhibitors
D-Deprenyl
Ladostigil
Milacemide
Mofegiline
Antiparasitic
Invertebrate MAO Inhibitors
Amitraz antiparasitic used in animals for ticks, mites (sarcoptes, demodex) and lice. Used on plants as an insecticide against mites, aphids, etc.
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I never go past 200 mgs in a night and don't recommend it unless you have weak stuff or a high tolerance. Feels great at the time but can get quite tough the next day.
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What is everyones height/bodyweight etc?
I sometimes have a few cones the next morning on the come down and a few drinks before rolling the next night along with a point of gear to keep me awake.
As for the 3-6 month break to let serotonin levels come back up... me or my best mate don't ever seem to get sick, and we go thru sometimes 10x 100mg pills a night.
Thanks all for the info, appreciate it.
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What would you recommend, Aurelius Venport?
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I think the biggest issue with MDMA is really that it's just so damn great that you really want to keep the high going. Normally I set all sorts of rules about how much I'm going to do and then find that through advanced e-mathmatics that amount becomes however much I actually have. IMO the tradeoff for doing more really does diminish pretty quickly. I'd rather fly high for a few hours every month or so off the stuff than get totally fucked for a night and not want to take it for months after that.
My advice, take a look at complementary comedowns like 2CB or GHB but make sure you understand the compounds especially when and how much to does. I've read so many stories about people eating this stuff daily for years that I don't really panic about the occasional binge, but all in all the cleanest happiest trips tend to be well dosed at the onset and properly bumped a single time at about 1.5 hours in and then spaced out by a few weeks or months apart. That's not going to fly you all night though so having a come down plan to ease your landing makes it all the more fun.
Also, taking pills in general is just silly. Tested powder from a good vendor will let you get that right first dose rather than having to play the did I take enough guessing game you might have with random pills. If you have 10g of tested e you know for a good long while your rolls are going to be exactly what you want them to be... just don't have the whole 10g with you when you are tripping :->
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the cleanest happiest trips tend to be well dosed at the onset and properly bumped a single time at about 1.5 hours in and then spaced out by a few weeks or months apart.
+1 absolutely sage advice. The best method is to get a proper dose on the first one and re-dose once or twice. Personally, I like 180 mg oral followed by 120 mg insufflated about 2 hours later, but ymmv. After that you start fighting the hedonic treadmill and you're out of serotonin. It's a complete waste of time to take MDMA 2 nights in a row. I wouldn't recommend taking it once a week unless you're consuming 5-HTP to boost serotonin levels, but the best schedule is once a month. At that rate I don't need any supplements or boosters, and I get virtually no negative after effects.
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I wouldn't recommend combining MDMA with alcohol either.. it's probably not going to kill you but dehydration and additional kidney stress isn't good for your body.
Bluelight.ru is a great place to check out some basics for MDMA combinations and the dangers therein.
My favorite combinations are MDMA + LSD, Ketamine, and nitrous oxide!
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I think the biggest issue with MDMA is really that it's just so damn great that you really want to keep the high going. Normally I set all sorts of rules about how much I'm going to do and then find that through advanced e-mathmatics that amount becomes however much I actually have. IMO the tradeoff for doing more really does diminish pretty quickly. I'd rather fly high for a few hours every month or so off the stuff than get totally fucked for a night and not want to take it for months after that.
+1
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After much reading it looks like the healthy dosage schedule is once every 3 months. Anything more and you're in dangerous territory because of serotonin depletion.
MDMA is something to be respected.
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My favorite combinations are MDMA + LSD, Ketamine, and nitrous oxide!
You, sir, have a good taste in drugs. +1 ;D