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Discussion => Security => Topic started by: Be careful on October 03, 2012, 09:36 am
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this will be a one off post so take from it what you will. call me a liar its up to you. i will not be responding further
i have information from an individual in the UK cyber crime unit and the hammer is going to be coming down on SR shortly
mass early morning arrests and mass media exposure. customs and royal mail involved
do not and i repeat do not use your bank details for any transactions - bitcoin exchangers co operating with LE. take great care with tumblers including bitcoin fog as they are a honeypot
remember bitcoins are not anonymous. just difficult to track but not impossible
this is a warning - ignore it if you want but i do not want to see good people's life's ruined
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It's not illegal to buy bitcoins so how can they arrest people for that? Also how come nothing like this has gone down in the US, where the DEA is operating with much more resources than any UK agency? There are also still clearnet sites that sell illegal drugs, how come many of those haven't been cracked down on and the customers arrested? Furthermore I've received customs letters in the past and nothing ever came of it, I just lost money. For these reasons I'm going to call bullshit and I hope I'm not wrong.
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It's not illegal to buy bitcoins so how can they arrest people for that? Also how come nothing like this has gone down in the US, where the DEA is operating with much more resources than any UK agency? There are also still clearnet sites that sell illegal drugs, how come many of those haven't been cracked down on and the customers arrested? Furthermore I've received customs letters in the past and nothing ever came of it, I just lost money. For these reasons I'm going to call bullshit and I hope I'm not wrong.
I am so sick of hearing people parroting "OMFG IT IS NOT ILLEGAL TO BUY BITCOIN SO IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE DONE SECURELY". That makes about as much sense as thinking you won't be tried for murder if you have a butcher knife covered in blood of a murder victim who was stabbed to death found under your bed, because hey owning bloody butcher knifes isn't illegal!!!!
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^ But its still hard to understand how police can make a prosecution with just records of bitcoin transactions linked to a person? From the cops end they would have a person linked to one or more bitcoin transactions, maybe then they could prove that these transactions went into Silk Road but then what?
I'm guessing they are using accumulated seizures then trying to link the people who were meant to receive these transactions to bitcoin transactions. Although this is kind of unnecessary as they could already charge the person anyway.
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^ But its still hard to understand how police can make a prosecution with just records of bitcoin transactions linked to a person? From the cops end they would have a person linked to one or more bitcoin transactions, maybe then they could prove that these transactions went into Silk Road but then what?
I'm guessing they are using accumulated seizures then trying to link the people who were meant to receive these transactions to bitcoin transactions. Although this is kind of unnecessary as they could already charge the person anyway.
It is just the opposite of what you already guessed, they see you getting bitcoins in suspicious amounts or linked to SR somehow and then they monitor your incoming mail and pwn you for drug trafficking.
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fuck... too much paranoia in the forum these days.
I wonder if SR is really catching the heat from LE now days.
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this is partly why i only did mp exchanges through here....there seems to be an unusual amount of scare and paranoia on here though
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Could this be Pangea 8)
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this will be a one off post so take from it what you will. call me a liar its up to you. i will not be responding further
i have information from an individual in the UK cyber crime unit and the hammer is going to be coming down on SR shortly
mass early morning arrests and mass media exposure. customs and royal mail involved
do not and i repeat do not use your bank details for any transactions - bitcoin exchangers co operating with LE. take great care with tumblers including bitcoin fog as they are a honeypot
remember bitcoins are not anonymous. just difficult to track but not impossible
this is a warning - ignore it if you want but i do not want to see good people's life's ruined
I'm taking this seriously, but not because of fear of bitcoin tracing - though the fact mtgox & intersango have stopped taking otc £ & okpay have stopped taking UKash is paranoia making.
I wouldn't be surprised if the UK gov decided to step on SR, and other clearnet sites while it was at it, the fact that the USA hasn't done it first isn't a persuasive argument to me. UK gov has a lot of IT resources and could do with a anti-drugs, high-profile distraction during (political party) conference season.
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Buying bitcoin is not illegal.
Transferring bitcoin to SR is -suspicious- but not illegal.
You can buy books, cigarettes, there's legal stuff on this site available. You can buy bitcoins on this site too.
There's paranoia troll threads like this every week.
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Buying bitcoin is not illegal.
Transferring bitcoin to SR is -suspicious- but not illegal.
You can buy books, cigarettes, there's legal stuff on this site available. You can buy bitcoins on this site too.
There's paranoia troll threads like this every week.
You need a crash course in the difference between intelligence and evidence. Here is a hint, one leads to the other.
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This warning is not very credible on its face. The claimed inside information ("mass early morning raids") is not consistent with the OP's the advice ("do not use your bank details for any transactions"). If indeed there were imminent mass raids, the more reasonable and correct advice would be along the lines of "clean fucking house and cover your ass." If raids are about to go down, it's a little late for advice about bitcoin transactions and bank account info. Just an observation, FWIW.
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just fyi, if you live in the US, then NOTHING sold on SR is legal for the simple fact that you're not paying any tax on the legal products you're purchasing. cigarettes are not legal to purchase online in the US unless theres sales tax, state tax, etc being paid on it. so even if you're (one of the few) actually buying "legal" stuff on SR, if no taxes are being paid on it, its illegal in the US. i honestly dont care at all what people buy or not, just wanted to point this out.
Actually, where I live in the US, any purchases made online in to a business in the same state is taxed, but if you buy from anywhere in the other 49 states, it's completely tax-less.
I guess it could vary by state, but if they can trace the money, they can do what ever they want to you.
BTC is like gold that the government can't physically steal from you, it's just sooo easy to hide.
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just fyi, if you live in the US, then NOTHING sold on SR is legal for the simple fact that you're not paying any tax on the legal products you're purchasing. cigarettes are not legal to purchase online in the US unless theres sales tax, state tax, etc being paid on it. so even if you're (one of the few) actually buying "legal" stuff on SR, if no taxes are being paid on it, its illegal in the US. i honestly dont care at all what people buy or not, just wanted to point this out.
This is completely wrong. There are plenty of states that you can live in and which you are not legally charged sales tax for purchases, as long as the business you order from does not have a business presence in your own state. Of course there are also five states which have no sales tax at all (AK, OR, MT, DE, NH).
You're spreading misinformation.
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IF the DEA busted your door down and searched your place only to find legal products, you want to bet whether or not they still come up with some very serious charges to book you with? I'll put 5k on them still coming up with a felony charge for you.
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What a shill.
Operation Farmers Market took them 6 yrs and busted only the ringleaders and they used traceable methods.
We take a bet anytime that SR is here to stay for at least a 5 year anniversary.
The bet is LEO only.
No Hackers and a SR staff screwup.
ANd as long as you use PGP , Tails & Liberte for everything and get your BTC anonymously you are fine anyway.
Cheers!!
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Buying bitcoin is not illegal.
Transferring bitcoin to SR is -suspicious- but not illegal.
You can buy books, cigarettes, there's legal stuff on this site available. You can buy bitcoins on this site too.
There's paranoia troll threads like this every week.
This is in the top 5 dumbest ever things I have seen posted on SR f yet. Hope you like prison food.
Have no idea how you made it here.
Someone had to tell you.
Piece, Love, and Fuck Haters.
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I'm glad you dug this thread out of the grave, Razorspyne, because it illustrates the kind of FUD that used to be spread widely on this forum.
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Yeah. Worth the chuckle. >:D There are risks on Silk Road, sure. But some people jump in their car, and drive it full speed into the Twilight Zone.
Got to be a happy medium somewhere.
Piece, Love, and Fuck Haters.
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I'd like to think this is fake.
Who cares anyway, come and arrest me fuck heads.
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fuck off and die
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@ Mito... who me?
Are you still liking your K?:)
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this is partly why i only did mp exchanges through here....there seems to be an unusual amount of scare and paranoia on here though
i stopped buying weed from SR around 1st of the year because of the LE reports about a pending mass arrest
WELL i also stopped because i found a weed vendor that takes Money paks
bit coins where on the news here last week and i read 3 articles on the DEA looking into the SR community and posably opening vender accounts either way DEA is not just sitting there doing nothing
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paranoia paranoia
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@ Mito... who me?
Are you still liking your K? :)
LOL!
no, the shill.
I"m into MXE now, I'm the MXEman.
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haha u guys are crazy. There are THOUSANDS of customers every day who order drugs in personal amounts..
If any buyers are getting busted, its the buyers who are getting kilos mailed to their house. And then those people will be made an example of to try to scare the rest of you
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OP is obviously a troll or LE hopelessly trying to intimidate people. Remember the guy who said he was going to sell poisoned drugs?
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this will be a one off post so take from it what you will. call me a liar its up to you. i will not be responding further
i have information from an individual in the UK cyber crime unit and the hammer is going to be coming down on SR shortly
mass early morning arrests and mass media exposure. customs and royal mail involved
do not and i repeat do not use your bank details for any transactions - bitcoin exchangers co operating with LE. take great care with tumblers including bitcoin fog as they are a honeypot
remember bitcoins are not anonymous. just difficult to track but not impossible
this is a warning - ignore it if you want but i do not want to see good people's life's ruined
LOLOLOL
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@ Mito... who me?
Are you still liking your K?:)
Twaz liking your avatar an hour ago but you changed it.
Piece, Love, and Fuck Haters.
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Buying bitcoin is not illegal.
Transferring bitcoin to SR is -suspicious- but not illegal.
You can buy books, cigarettes, there's legal stuff on this site available. You can buy bitcoins on this site too.
There's paranoia troll threads like this every week.
This is in the top 5 dumbest ever things I have seen posted on SR f yet. Hope you like prison food.
Have no idea how you made it here.
Someone had to tell you.
Piece, Love, and Fuck Haters.
The Beautiful thing about America is that law changes. Buying BTC is legal if you get back it up in court. Currently, the federal government classifies BTC as a "virtual currency" and a money laundering scheme. When you keep records and pay taxes--as is required for all US citizens, then there is nothing illegal about it. If nothing else, you can record everything as a "loss" until the Fedz get their bookkeeping practices up to date: Every bitcoin transaction is registered and secured by the US government and by every bitcoin miner. Don't you know how BTC works?
BTC is secure because of the complexity of the transactions. When you transfer money into BTC, you are essentially buying stock. Money you make--and everything is tracked by Big Brother, within reason--is reportable, whether through drugs money or legitimate services. Al Capone was jailed for tax evasion--NOT BOOTLEGGING or Murder.
So, BTC is not illegal if you follow the laws. There is no law outlawing the use of virtual currencies, unless it is to shirk payment to the IRS.