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Discussion => Security => Topic started by: smurfthejew on September 07, 2012, 02:52 am
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Hey guys,
I was trying to get on SR through Liberte earlier (currently on a non-torified OS), but I ran into two problems... First, I correctly typed in my username, password, and the captcha for about an hour, and the damn thing still said "Login Failed, please try again". I then rebooted my computer, went back into Liberte, and now got this error message when I tried to go to SR:
503 Forwarding failure
Privoxy was unable to socks5-forward your request http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/index.php through 127.0.0.1: socks5 server unreachable
Just try again to see if this is a temporary problem, or check your forwarding settings and make sure that all forwarding servers are working correctly and listening where they are supposed to be listening.
I'm not super technologically proficient, so if someone could help me out, that'd be great.
P.S. I have made it onto SR from Liberte once before...
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Internet > switch tor identity. keep doing it until it works.
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Are you running in a virtual machine?
try typing your password in a text file and copy paste it.
and for the privoxy problem to as greennwood told you.
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Yeah, so switching Tor IDs helped get me on the main login page, but I'm still not able to login. I've been copy pasting my password, and I've even typed it in, dunno what's wrong. Not running a virtual machine (I think), just booting off a USB stick on my laptop that usually runs Windows.
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This could be the cause if you set up your account passphrase on your regular OS, and trying to login with the liberte keyboard config.
How would I know if this was the case and how do I fix it?
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back into Liberte, and now got this error message when I tried to go to SR:
503 Forwarding failure
Privoxy was unable to socks5-forward your request http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/index.php through 127.0.0.1: socks5 server unreachable
Just try again to see if this is a temporary problem, or check your forwarding settings and make sure that all forwarding servers are working correctly and listening where they are supposed to be listening.
I'm not super technologically proficient, so if someone could help me out, that'd be great.
P.S. I have made it onto SR from Liberte once before...
I'm getting this message CONSTANTLY. This last time it was for days on end I couldn't connect to anything, just always 503 even after dozens & dozens & dozens of new identities.
What is causing this? Is it something on my side?
Just for the record I am running the .ova Liberte file inside of a VM. But I did also go through the Ubuntu/VM install mentioned here: http://4eiruntyxxbgfv7o.onion/paste/show.php?id=d1d879e959bcc020
It has you change some things & have you set up a firewall & modify some firefox settings etc. Do you think that additional ubuntu/VM install I did is making me get these 503 messages all the time? I'm not running them together at this time, but hoping to be able to do so in the near future so I'm hoping that this has nothing to do with it.
Finally after a couple of days or trying I completely shut down Liberte & the computer & tried re-connecting & was successful.
Does restarting Liberte help in a 503 situation? Did I just get blind luck with the restart? I really want to get to the bottom of this because this 503 issue has made this entire TOR/Liberte venture very unsuccessful.
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I think if I remember rightly, Liberte has something or other incorrectly configured with Tor, something to do with the clock (out an a limb here), it doesn't harm your security, but you get a helluva lot of 503 as a result.
The fix is to simply keep trying until it works, it's usually good after that, but it is still annoying.
Maxim Kammerer says that you don't experience these issues when using VMware, VirtualBox or QEMU (i.e. virtual machine software).
If you have a specific question to ask, ask it here:
http://forum.dee.su/#Forum/libert%C3%A9-linux
One day I'll post up a tutorial on all things to do with Liberte and the Tor Live-CD.
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I think if I remember rightly, Liberte has something or other incorrectly configured with Tor, something to do with the clock (out an a limb here), it doesn't harm your security, but you get a helluva lot of 503 as a result.
The fix is to simply keep trying until it works, it's usually good after that, but it is still annoying.
Maxim Kammerer says that you don't experience these issues when using VMware, VirtualBox or QEMU (i.e. virtual machine software).
If you have a specific question to ask, ask it here:
http://forum.dee.su/#Forum/libert%C3%A9-linux
One day I'll post up a tutorial on all things to do with Liberte and the Tor Live-CD.
Wow that's crazy because all I've ever used Liberte in is VirtualBox from a USB & it has given me 503 errors to the point of wanting to kill myself.
I found a place to ask questions to Liberte people on Sourceforge, but when I tried to register using my tormaill account it wouldn't go through. I'm going to use the forum you linked to in order to see if I can get clarification on just what the fuck is the problem.
If you happen to remember/find what the Liberte/TOR mis-configuration please list it here or PM me. Many thanks to you again.
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Internet > switch tor identity. keep doing it until it works.
I was having the same 503 error for every website I tried to go to. I tried doing this, but then a little box appeared in the bottom right corner saying"Failed to Establish New Tor Identity, Tor is probably not running, check user-level logs."
So I'm kind of at a loss as far as what to do. I had to use the "startx" command when liberte was starting, just in case that gives any hints about what the problem may be... I'd appreciate any help I can get, I really want to get liberte working so I can focus on cleaning up any incriminating stuff that will be left on windows. Thanks in advance.
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Buuummpp... Pleeaassee :)
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There is no reason to be using Tor on Liberte. Just use epiphany that it comes with. That is also a tor browser and works well.
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There is no reason to be using Tor on Liberte. Just use epiphany that it comes with. That is also a tor browser and works well.
That's the browser I was trying to use... I followed the suggestion for the previous poster who was having the 503 errors(getting a new tor identity,) and then it gave me the error about not being able to give me a new identity.
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There is no reason to be using Tor on Liberte. Just use epiphany that it comes with. That is also a tor browser and works well.
That's the browser I was trying to use... I followed the suggestion for the previous poster who was having the 503 errors(getting a new tor identity,) and then it gave me the error about not being able to give me a new identity.
Yikes... okay, so the "Tor Browser Bundle" is 3 things. The Tor program, Vidalia which is the graphical interface that controls Tor (you never actually see Tor, it has no windows), and the "Tor browser" which is nothing but a specially setup version of Firefox.
The browser comes with a couple of things that make it safer though. Without knowing what those are and how to configure another browser to be safe in the same way... you really wanna use the Tor browser.
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There is no reason to be using Tor on Liberte. Just use epiphany that it comes with. That is also a tor browser and works well.
That's the browser I was trying to use... I followed the suggestion for the previous poster who was having the 503 errors(getting a new tor identity,) and then it gave me the error about not being able to give me a new identity.
Yikes... okay, so the "Tor Browser Bundle" is 3 things. The Tor program, Vidalia which is the graphical interface that controls Tor (you never actually see Tor, it has no windows), and the "Tor browser" which is nothing but a specially setup version of Firefox.
The browser comes with a couple of things that make it safer though. Without knowing what those are and how to configure another browser to be safe in the same way... you really wanna use the Tor browser.
.... I think were misunderstanding each other, or maybe I'm a fucking idiot, but to use the tor browser bundle, I think I would have to download it onto liberte first right? I wouldn't be able to do this because I CAN'T ACCESS THE INTERNET AT ALL WHEN RUNNING LIBERTE. I just get 503 errors, and when trying to correct this, it tells me to check user-level logs.
Or, SS, are you just saying that because of my lack of knowledge about programming/whatnot, that I should just screw liberte and run the tor bundle in windows? I'd really like to start using liberte so I can get accustomed with linux and learn a bit more....
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My apologies, friend: I've never used Liberte, and so I can't really advise you on that. I just hadn't seen it pointed out that the Tor browser that comes with the bundle is specially configured. Whereas Epiphany (which is the GNOME web browser, BTW) probably isn't.
I'm sorry if I sounded flippant. I was just trying to be helpful and make sure you understood your choice to not use it, really.
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Okay, okay... real help. Type this:
sudo netstat -peanut | grep '[t]or'
At a terminal (run "xterm" or gnome-terminal or something). If you see any output, Tor is running. If you don't... then it isn't running, and you should probably type "sudo tor"
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Pre-emptive answer if it still happens:
Go into your browser preferences (I can't run ephiphany, I'm getting some undefined symbol error... so I can't tell you exactly where). Try to find the "network" or "connectivity" options or something. Set the "proxy" to be at address 127.0.0.1, and the "port" to be whatever that command I told you to run had listed under the port Tor is "LISTENING" on.
That sort of has to do the trick.
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(again, pre-emptive, since you're not going to be able to connect when you try this): you can download the browser bundle for linux in Windows, stick it on a USB stick or something, and run it in Liberte. That's the easy way, and probably safest too. That's seriously all the help I can give you.
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I've seen so many threads with people having problems with Liberte. Seriously, I suggest dropping it and using Tails.
Part of the problem seems to be that Liberte uses a Torified version of Epiphany, which is the default Gnome browser.
Forget that. Download the Tor Browser Bundle from the Tor web site.
Or just use Tails, which comes with TBB. I don't know what the Liberte developer is thinking with that shitty Torified Epiphany setup.
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Much thanks SS, I'm going to print this page out and run liberte again when I get the chance. If I have more trouble I'll just come back here and beg for more help.
And Astor, I'll also start looking into tails. As for it coming with the TBB, I tried looking for anything called tails in my Tor folder and did a search after hitting the help button in the vidalia control panel, all to no avail. But I haven't done one second of research on tails so I might be missing something really important and simple.
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You have to download Tails from here
https://tails.boum.org
BTW, it's officially supported by the Tor Project, and is listed as a project on their web site
https://www.torproject.org/projects/projects.html.en
Liberte is an independent project and not supported or recommended by Tor people.
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You have to download Tails from here
https://tails.boum.org
BTW, it's officially supported by the Tor Project, and is listed as a project on their web site
https://www.torproject.org/projects/projects.html.en
Liberte is an independent project and not supported or recommended by Tor people.
Cool, thanks. I knew that Liberte and Tails are both highly praised, but it just seemed like Liberte was thought of as being more secure. I didn't realize Tails was done by the people at Tor, I'll probably try running it first. Hopefully it will work and I can use it while I figure Liberte out(can't hurt to learn both.) Thanks so much for the help!
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I use Liberte in a vm, and I have experienced the same issue. Not every time, but enough to be frustrating. What tends to work is just refreshing, and switching Tor ID's. Also make sure your wifi card is compatible with Linux. You can test this by visiting any clearnet sites while running Liberte. Also a question... after typing in your credentials + captcha, do you just hit enter, or do you click the "GO" button? I've noticed the problem happens less when clicking the button vs. just hitting enter.
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Okay, okay... real help. Type this:
sudo netstat -peanut | grep '[t]or'
At a terminal (run "xterm" or gnome-terminal or something). If you see any output, Tor is running. If you don't... then it isn't running, and you should probably type "sudo tor"
To continue this madness, I went to the gnome terminal, typed the command you gave me, and it recognized it, but asked me for a password. That password was not the same one that I set for me to use when starting up Liberte, so I am at yet another roadblock. I think I might just have to wait until I get a new computer until I start using Liberte of Tails. It seems like I am having way more problems than I should be having...
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Okay, okay... real help. Type this:
sudo netstat -peanut | grep '[t]or'
At a terminal (run "xterm" or gnome-terminal or something). If you see any output, Tor is running. If you don't... then it isn't running, and you should probably type "sudo tor"
To continue this madness, I went to the gnome terminal, typed the command you gave me, and it recognized it, but asked me for a password. That password was not the same one that I set for me to use when starting up Liberte, so I am at yet another roadblock. I think I might just have to wait until I get a new computer until I start using Liberte of Tails. It seems like I am having way more problems than I should be having...
I'm with astor... forget Liberte, just use TAILS.
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.... I think were misunderstanding each other, or maybe I'm a fucking idiot, but to use the tor browser bundle, I think I would have to download it onto liberte first right? I wouldn't be able to do this because I CAN'T ACCESS THE INTERNET AT ALL WHEN RUNNING LIBERTE. I just get 503 errors, and when trying to correct this, it tells me to check user-level logs.
Or, SS, are you just saying that because of my lack of knowledge about programming/whatnot, that I should just screw liberte and run the tor bundle in windows? I'd really like to start using liberte so I can get accustomed with linux and learn a bit more....
AFAIK, you can't install software onto the stock build of Liberte because it's a hardened OS. You'd have to compile your own build. That said, Liberte comes with a "tor-ified" browser called Epiphany which, I believe, is essentially the same as running Firefox with the Tor-Browser add-in. I occasionally get the same proxy error but switching identities always does the trick.
One thing to check in Liberte - try launching the "Unsafe Browser" (Computer/Internet menu) and accessing the web. (CAUTION - Do NOT do this during the same session you are using an active Tor connection, as it could make it possible for LE to associate the two connections). If you get an error with the unsafe browser then you have narrowed it to your Internet connection rather than the Tor config.
If you want to start getting accustomed to linux, I suggest trying Ubuntu 12.x. You can install it in Windows and dual-boot Windows/Ubuntu, run it via VM, run it off a live-boot CD, or create a bootable USB installation - and there's lots of good documentation. The bootable USB install is particularly nice because it has persistence, which means you can install programs (such as Tor), customize config settings, keep docs, PGP keys, etc. - all completely separate from your regular machine.
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Wait, wait... Liberte doesn't let you install programs? I mean it's something like a read-only filesystem?
That's fucking retarded, the last thing you want to do is not keep up with the latest security updates to standard libraries and stuff. If that's really the case, forget that, man.
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Okay, okay... real help. Type this:
sudo netstat -peanut | grep '[t]or'
At a terminal (run "xterm" or gnome-terminal or something). If you see any output, Tor is running. If you don't... then it isn't running, and you should probably type "sudo tor"
To continue this madness, I went to the gnome terminal, typed the command you gave me, and it recognized it, but asked me for a password. That password was not the same one that I set for me to use when starting up Liberte, so I am at yet another roadblock. I think I might just have to wait until I get a new computer until I start using Liberte of Tails. It seems like I am having way more problems than I should be having...
I banged my head against the wall a few times over trying to sudo too. You can't "sudo" with Liberte unless you follow the steps outlined in the documentation to gain root access. The Liberte website explicitly details how to do this. Took me a bit to figure it out too as it's not very intuitive, but it does indeed work as written in the site documentation. As the site explains, by making the system almost entirely read-only, it is (allegedly) far less vulnerable to software exploits.
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God damn... So I guess I'll be reviving my other thread to get help with Tails again in a few days. If it wasn't so obviously worth the trouble I'm going through to be safe I would just say "Fuck all this!"
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God damn... So I guess I'll be reviving my other thread to get help with Tails again in a few days. If it wasn't so obviously worth the trouble I'm going through to be safe I would just say "Fuck all this!"
This is *exactly* why Linux has been around for so many years, has such a strong cult following of proponents of it, and yet... almost nobody really uses it as their daily OS. Only us geeks who actually enjoy computers enough to have the motivation to keep wrestling with problems like this. Part of it is that you learn an ENORMOUS amount about how computers work (all operating systems follow the same basic principles, they just make slightly different design choices more or less).
Ubuntu (and Debian before it, which Ubuntu is actually the continuation of I believe) even came close to making it easy for your average user. IMHO, anyway. But the problem with that is that you then end up not having any mother fucking clue what to do when something doesn't automagically work, because so few people use it there's very little information out there to help you. Windows is obviously very different.
This is really the reason that Linux remains an operating system that only enthusiasts should use, or people who want to buy and sell drugs on Silk Road... :P
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Hey, it's a good time. Tails 0.16 came out yesterday with lots of bug fixes and security improvements.
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This is really the reason that Linux remains an operating system that only enthusiasts should use, or people who want to buy and sell drugs on Silk Road... :P
It's not fair to compare a specialist distro like Liberte, with a single developer behind it, to Ubuntu, with a 500-employee company and a community of 20 million users behind it. If you have a problem with Ubuntu, there is almost certainly a bug report (or 2 or 3) on Launchpad and a thread (or 2 or 3) on the forum by the time you Google it.
Ubuntu is balls easy compared to Linux 10 years ago. It's easier to install and learn how to use than Windows, it's just that everybody already knows how to use Windows and they're accustomed to the Windows way.
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I'm sorry if you thought I was badmouthing any particular Linux distro, the developers behind them, or anyone who isn't interested in using Linux as their main OS. That's not at all what I intended to come across as saying.
It is, however, my belief that even Ubuntu does not make it easy enough for your average computer user. They don't give a fuck why things work, for the most part. They just want them to work. And you really have to admit, Linux distros -- even Ubuntu, as good a job as it does -- cannot provide that to the same level that Windows does. Hence my statement. That's all I meant to say, really.
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Hey, it's a good time. Tails 0.16 came out yesterday with lots of bug fixes and security improvements.
Just downloaded it and I'm still stuck. Now its telling me something like "the proxy isn't allowed to connect/not configured correctly"(but not those exact words, can't remember.) This happens when I try to connect to a .onion site OR a clearnet site.
Anyway, I checked the settings, and the proxy address was 127.0.0.1 and the port was 9050.
I think the issue might me that tails isn't connecting to my wireless connection which I can only access through a NetGear USB wireless adapter(maybe it's designed for windows only) as I noticed it wasn't even recognizing ANY wireless connections after the proxy/port thing seemed to be right...
I'm on my knees, caressing your cyber feet and begging for more help.... I've lost sleep over these security issues I'm having.
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I think the issue might me that tails isn't connecting to my wireless connection which I can only access through a NetGear USB wireless adapter(maybe it's designed for windows only) as I noticed it wasn't even recognizing ANY wireless connections after the proxy/port thing seemed to be right...
Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal
type: ifconfig -a
You should see a section called wlan0. On the second line it should say "inet addr" followed by an IP address. If that doesn't exist on the second line, your wireless isn't setup.
The next step depends on your answer to this. (And obviously don't post your fucking IP address, even if it's a private LAN address :)
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K, will you be online for a while? If not I'm gonna hit the sack now, but I'll buckle down if I can get some somewhat realtime help.
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I'll be around for a few hours.
Why don't you disconnect the USB wifi card and try a wired connection first?
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I'll be around for a few hours.
Why don't you disconnect the USB wifi card and try a wired connection first?
I'm upstairs. Only wired connection is downstairs which is an...."unsafe" computer to use.
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If you can tell the me kernel version that Tails 0.16 runs (probably 2.6.32 if it's based on Debian Squeeze, but I'd like you to check just in case) and the exact hardware of that wireless adapter, I can look into whether it was supported at that point. One of the problems with basing any distro on Debian is that it is ancient in computer terms.
To find the kernel version: uname -a
To find the exact hardware details: lshw -C network
and look for the section that starts: description: Wireless interface
copy the line that says: product: <something something> WiFi Adapter
BTW, you may have to run some of these commands as root. If a command doesn't work, add "sudo" to the beginning.
So, sudo lshw -C network
for example.
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BTW, do you have 2 computers that you can use for this, or are you going to have to reboot every time you switch from Tails to Windows?
Because this could be a pain in the ass. :)
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BTW, do you have 2 computers that you can use for this, or are you going to have to reboot every time you switch from Tails to Windows?
Because this could be a pain in the ass. :)
Haha, no, I have one computer. That's why this process has been taking like a month. I just got an order of benzo's in today, so I'm zonked out. I'm going to take a few more steps towards finishing this problem in another day or 2. Thanks so much Astor. +1
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Oh yea, I forgot. I typed the command in the root terminal(wouldn't recognize it in untitled.) No 'wlan0 section in the response it gave me. If you respond, I'll try your suggestion in a few days and answer back.
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Yeah, if there's no wlan0 section, then the wireless card isn't recognized.
Next step would be to type: lsusb
since it's a USB device, and see if something related to NetGear or WiFi comes up.
Edit: Another thing you can do is download the Ubuntu installer and run that. Just boot it up and don't install anything. See if it recognizes your wireless card. Most likely it will since it uses a more recent kernel. If wifi works, then we know it's the old kernel version in Tails.
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Ok, I just took a look at Tails 0.16 and it's actually running kernel 3.2, which is fairly recent.
If you could post the exact model of your wifi card (but don't post any serial numbers), I can look into it some more.
Also, forget about all those commands I wrote above. Just run the "lsusb" command and see if the NetGear device is listed. Don't post the exact line, just confirm whether it's listed.
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Can anyone assist with a similar problem in this thread:
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=108307.0
the guys stuck in the newbie section.
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Unfortunately nobody who can post here can post there and vice versa, but if he sees this, one thing I would point out is that you only need Privoxy if the application doesn't support socks proxies. Privoxy is an http proxy that can forward to Tor's socks proxy, which is the error that he's seeing. The failure to forward is probably due to the SR site not being reachable. In other words, the browser bundle equivalent is when you try to access a site and the connection fails. What do we usually do in that case? Refresh the list of relays and get a new identity. Don't know if he's tried that.
However, there could be problems with Privoxy itself, like default time outs or something. I would suggest downloading the browser bundle (in Liberte) and trying to use that. See if the problems go away. The browser bundle is the recommended way to use Tor anyway. Ephiphany + Privoxy is an awful hack, and just one of several weird design decisions in Liberte.
If the browser bundle doesn't work on Liberte, then I suggest dropping Liberte and using Tails.
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Im confused about liberte:
1- does anyone have the link to the Liberte that everyone is speaking of?
2-should it be downloaded through TOR broswer?
3- Do I access Liberte then tor or tor then liberte after its installed? I tried reading the 18 page review in Liberte and using SR anonymously but im not sure why we have to use both. Can anyone help with this?
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1- does anyone have the link to the Liberte that everyone is speaking of?
http://dee.su/liberte
2-should it be downloaded through TOR broswer?
You can, but it's over 200 MB, so it might take a while and the connection might die.
3- Do I access Liberte then tor or tor then liberte after its installed? I tried reading the 18 page review in Liberte and using SR anonymously but im not sure why we have to use both. Can anyone help with this?
Liberte is an operating system and Tor is an application that runs on it. So first you boot Liberte, then you use Tor to access SR.
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Astor if i could give you Karma I would but i dont know how to do that either so let me say thank you very much for going out of your way and doing that. I will dowload Liberte now. If I dont do it through TOR is there any security im breaching like allowing others to be able to see the IP it was on etc?
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sourceforge.net, where the OS images are hosted, will have your IP address.
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Is that anything to worry about Astor?
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Theoretically, yes, Practically, no.
If you're paranoid, then announcing that you're going to download Liberte from Sourceforge isn't a good idea. LE could get the server logs. How many people do you think will download Liberte in the next 12 hours? Probably not that many. It puts you on a short list of suspects.
Practically, LE doesn't have the time, resources or interest to go after random people who may or may not be low level drug buyers.
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Ok, I just took a look at Tails 0.16 and it's actually running kernel 3.2, which is fairly recent.
If you could post the exact model of your wifi card (but don't post any serial numbers), I can look into it some more.
Also, forget about all those commands I wrote above. Just run the "lsusb" command and see if the NetGear device is listed. Don't post the exact line, just confirm whether it's listed.
I have a NetGear WN111 V.2
I'll get to the second part of the question when I get a chance...
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how long does tails take to download? I go to the site provided, click on download Tails iso 1.6 image, and its telling me about 2 hrs. is that right? Did I click on the correct one to DL? it seems like there might be several steps so hoepfully im following order. im done with Liberty, i cant figure it out.