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Silk Road discussion / Re: BITCOIN TAKING A CRAP!
« on: April 11, 2013, 03:26 am »
It's important to point out again that there was no "correction", no mass cash out by early adopters, and no overall loss of confidence in bitcoin. It was a technical failure. Huge lag caused a panic, just like several times before.

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Silk Road discussion / Re: BITCOIN TAKING A CRAP!
« on: April 11, 2013, 03:22 am »
Thanks for the update!

First of all we would like to reassure you but no we were not last night victim of a DDoS but instead victim of our own success!

Indeed the rather astonishing amount of new account opened in the last few days added to the existing one plus the number of trade made a huge impact on the overall system that started to lag. As expected in such situation people started to panic, started to sell Bitcoin in mass (Panic Sale) resulting in an increase of trade that ultimately froze the trade engine!

So it was traders who DDOSed them. This is why we need more exchanges.


To give you an idea of how impressive things were here are some numbers that we would love to share with you guys:
- The number of trades executed triple in the last 24hrs.
- The number of new account opened went from 60k for March alone to 75k new account created for the first few days of April! We now have roughly 20,000 new accounts created each day.

Impressive numbers. And this is why BTC is not going back to $10 or even $50.

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Silk Road discussion / Re: BITCOIN TAKING A CRAP!
« on: April 11, 2013, 03:02 am »
It's an opportunity of sorts. Just play the game of the ddos hackers. Buy low sell high, rinse and repeat. Use this situation to you benefit.

If it was easy to do that, why didn't any of you sell at $260? :)

The problem with these day trading strategies is that you don't know you're in a sell off until you're halfway down, and you don't know you've hit bottom until you're halfway up.

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And how do you know Tormail isn't? The whole point is that with Tor and PGP, it shouldn't matter.

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Right, Safe Mail is clearnet, which comes with certain risks that you are protected against with Tormail. The trade off is that Safe Mail has been around for at least a decade and has reliable uptime. They also provide POP access, so you can use Thunderbird + Enigmail + Torbirdy.

Torbirdy will automatically configure Thunderbird to use Tor, plus it does some other things to protect your anonymity, such as changing the time zone to GMT and scrubbing metadata from the email header. Enigmail integrates PGP, so you can do transparent de/encryption of your emails. Most importantly, with POP mail, you can download your mail and store it locally, so if LE asked for your account info (the operators are in Israel or some place anyway), they would find nothing, not even encrypted emails (assuming the Safe Mail operators don't keep your email).

And of course, the server logs would only show that exit nodes accessed the account.

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Security / Re: Tormail down?
« on: April 11, 2013, 01:29 am »
If you use Thunderbird, then you should install the TorBirdy extension to increase your security and anonymity. It was created by a Tor developer for that purpose.

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/thunderbird/addon/torbirdy/

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Silk Road discussion / Re: BITCOIN TAKING A CRAP!
« on: April 11, 2013, 12:52 am »
People need to stop selling bitcoins on MtGox, it's dangerous that they have such a monopoly on sales, whether this was result of DDoS or not, its just not right that trade of a decentralized currency is so centralized on one company's servers, especially a company has such poor infrastructure.

Forget MtGox, spread the BTCs across more exchanges to strengthen the currency.

You echo the sentiments of many people in the bitcoin community. It would be nice if Coinbase started their own exchange. They are well positioned to do so anyway.

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LOL, I teach myself something new every day too. :)

Safe Mail was the de facto standard for a time in between Hushmail and Tormail.

Remember to PGP encrypt all sensitive emails if you decide to use it.

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Silk Road discussion / Re: BITCOIN TAKING A CRAP!
« on: April 10, 2013, 11:22 pm »
Nice work, and these are important words of wisdom:

What can you do?

Like our favorite author here at Tibanne says… Don’t Panic!

"Panic-selling is a wide-scale selling of an investment which causes a sharp decline in prices. Specifically, an investor wants to get out of an investment with little regard of the price obtained. The selling activity is problematic because the investor is selling in reaction to emotion and fear, rather than evaluating the fundamentals." (Source: Wikipedia)

I understand that many of you have a lot at stake here, but remember that Bitcoin, despite being designed to have its value increase over time, will always be the victim of people trying to abuse the system, or even the value of Bitcoin decreasing occasionally. These are not new phenomena and have been present since the beginning of time when humans first started trading.


If you bought BTC in the last week, then you've lost money. Don't panic and hold onto your coins. The price will go back up. The market didn't lose confidence in bitcoin today.

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Off topic / Re: SR price corrections
« on: April 10, 2013, 10:42 pm »
Asked before? Only in about a dozen threads in the last week.

SR uses the MtGox 24 hour average, which is updated on the site every 10 minutes (unless the MtGox API is suffering heavy lag, like it did today because of a DDOS attack).

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Silk Road discussion / Re: BITCOIN TAKING A CRAP!
« on: April 10, 2013, 10:29 pm »
The price is extremely volatile. There was a $50 bid-ask spread earlier, but even now I saw the price jump from $187 to $130 to $150 within 15 minutes. I wouldn't put much stock on it. Let things settle down and check back tomorrow.

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There are none. You can use a clearnet site over Tor, like safe-mail.net. Disable IP checking in the preferences so it doesn't log you out when you switch exit nodes every 10 minutes.

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Silk Road discussion / Re: BITCOIN TAKING A CRAP!
« on: April 10, 2013, 10:13 pm »
$145 drop within a few hours is the most volatile I have ever seen BTC

Yeah, because it wasn't worth $145 until 6 days ago. :)

That's what we have to remind ourselves, because the latest price instantly becomes the new normal. The low was $105, but that's still higher than BTC had ever been in its history until like 10 days ago, and it was higher than most of the prices at which people predicted crashes.

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Silk Road discussion / Re: BITCOIN TAKING A CRAP!
« on: April 10, 2013, 10:02 pm »
Lag time on mtgox trades is currently 8 minutes.   something very fishy going on here.

The lag was 40+ minutes at one point, which is why I believe that explanation of a coordinated DDOS attack has merit.

Is it bad that bitcoin can be manipulated so easily? Of course, but it's also good that there wasn't a sudden loss of confidence by the whole bitcoin community. In fact, that explanation doesn't make sense, since there was no news to trigger -- no hard fork, no new regulation, etc. Why would everybody suddenly and randomly lose confidence in bitcoin?

Also keep in mind that the attackers did this in order to buy low with the full expectation that bitcoin will increase in price. So I'm not worried about it. We should be back around $250 in a few days.

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Silk Road discussion / Re: BITCOIN TAKING A CRAP!
« on: April 10, 2013, 08:38 pm »
Following up on the attack idea, here's what someone posted on another forum:

An insider email was leaked onto r/bitcoin a couple weeks ago. Basically a group of rogue traders on Tor organizes a planned DDOS of MtGox at a specific date and time - thus locking out everyone from creating new trades - while simultaneously creating a sell off over 4 hours. The fact that no new trades can be created combined with the price dropping precipitously causes a panic, which grows. At the height of the panic, they buy back in (because they are the ones controlling the DDOS, so they get to make the profitable trades). Everyone else loses their ass who reads the price manipulation as true market price and panics. More people need to understand this because no one is actually panicking at first; it's price manipulation through the DDOS dropping the price, not actual mass sell off. Still people just blindly look at the price of MtGox and don't consider this as a possibility even though it's happened frequently over the last few months. Information is power.

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