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My pgp went through a time when I had to change it 2 times in 2 weeks

PGP keys don't change randomly. The part you're glossing over is you were so careless that you lost your private key twice in two weeks, which is a pattern with you.

The 14korder (it was actually 15k-the hackers changed the price)

Is that even possible? Can anyone confirm this?

was already sent out and will arrive

So I expect that review to change within a week.

Frankly, you were extremely negligent, and no one in their right mind should deal with you, even if SR allows you to continue to be a vendor.

You entered your password and pin on this onion: vc3vveg64kbhtfrn

That should have been your first clue. And the phisher was dumb enough to include a provably fake signature.

gpg: CRC error; D384F4 - DADD7B
gpg: packet(2) with unknown version 220
gpg: no signature found
gpg: the signature could not be verified.

Which you didn't check.

And the language on the second page was obviously non-native English, which you now expect your buyers to use as as a clue not to FE, but wasn't enough of a clue for you not to enter your password and PIN.

Hey, it's a free market. I'm sure DPR will let you keep vending, but you really need to find a new line of work. You're too dangerous and stupid for your clients.

You can say it's just fake internet points, but it does seem to be having an effect on the attitude of newbies here.

If a system is being abused, might as well discard it.

There's no cure for stupid.

Their english is horrible, it is obviously not me. I really hope other people can notice that too.

As is the English on the phishing site. The only way you couldn't have noticed that it didn't sound like DPR is because you entered your password and PIN without reading a damn word.

Those are some interesting ideas for escrow services, summer. There are trade offs. In the first example, Bob loses 1 BTC even though Alice breaks even on the scam, so a malicious person could scam just to hurt other people, at no personal benefit. On the other hand, people could elect to use such an escrow service because it never finds out their transaction details.

The great thing about a decentralized market is that all of these escrow services could exist. People could choose which ones they want to use. Seller's could include in their product listings the types of escrow services they are willing to use. A trusted escrow provider could offer different types of escrow: a "traditional" service where live humans get info and evaluate the situation, and various automated and blind services, perhaps at different percentage rates.

Let a thousand flowers bloom. This is how innovation happens, when you escape the grip of central control.

But ultimately a healthy state dedicated to the public interest makes individual freedom possible." That is, a strong centralized state fosters liberal values (i.e., individual freedom), whereas more decentralized communities rely upon "Status" rather than "Contract," with order based upon revenge, violence, etc. rather than lawfulness.

This statement is pretty well supported by the fact that cartels and mafias so thoroughly dominate the only truly free market in the world, the black market, and they rule by violence.

It is interesting that in all of human history, no society seems to have existed, in fact no group of people with more than say 10 members, has existed that didn't include some kind of hierarchy or social order. It seems to arise spontaneously, even in ad hoc groups. Someone is bound to take the lead.

We are social species because many individuals working together can accomplish more than everyone working alone, or against each other. It allows us to build cities and send people into space. But in order to accomplish those goals, we must coordinate the actions of many individuals, so someone has to make executive decisions. Even if people disagree with some decisions, you have to make everyone do the same thing in order to get anything done at all. So ad hoc groups of students assigned to a project get a spontaneous leader, organizations have presidents, corporations have chief executives, towns have mayors, and nations have prime ministers.

That's just how you get shit done.

Even SR has an executive and this forum has mods. Imagine this community without leaders. It would suck.

So, here's how I envision it working.

You download a client, which is similar to SelfSovereignty's MetaSilk. In fact, MetaSilk might be a good starting point for such a client. There could be many different clients created by different people, like the variouis bitcoin clients, and you could choose who you trust.

The client launches a Tor instance and connects to other nodes in the network, and downloads/updates the database. Obviously, some nodes will have to run as hidden services, so there would be an option to create a hidden service for your client to let other clients reach you and download the database. In practice, a small percentage of nodes would run as hidden services, while most people would run their clients in non-hidden service mode, but once they are connected to other nodes, they can fully participate in the market.

The client manages your keys. The first time you run it, it generates a longterm identity key, which you will want to back up so you can maintain your buyer/seller history. It also generates one-time transaction keys and calculates stats when you are given other people's identity keys.

The client also manages your funds. It's like a bitcoin-qt client in that way. It maintains a wallet.dat, or perhaps multiple indepedent wallets for added privacy. You load coins into your "buyer account" by sending them to the bitcoin addresses in your market client.

It has an interface for searching and viewing listings. When you are ready to buy, you click a button to submit the transaction, which is signed with a one-time key signed by your identity key.

You can also submit listings at zero cost.

The most important part is that there's an option to include an escrow agent. You enter the agent's identity key (the Silk Road Escrow Service identity key would be well known, for example), and your client contacts his client (which is a hidden service) to initiate the transaction. You would only have to do this once, and your client would store the escrow key for all future transactions. The escrow client could simply be a marketd, running on a server, with scripts that automate the escrow process until human interaction is needed during resolution.

The escrow client initiates a transaction with encrypted data that the operator can't see. The only thing he sees is the BTC value, from which he will receive a fee. Each escrow agent can set his own fees. You agree to the fee when you elect to use the escrow agent's key and send him a notice to initiate the transaction.

The escrowed transaction has a time limit. The buyer and seller must sign it again within a certain amount of time, or the contents of the transaction are revealed to the escrow agent. This is effectively the same as finalizing.

** I'm not sure exactly how this time-based decryption system would work. This is where I need your help kmf. **

If the transaction is disputed, the escrow agent resolves it and signs the transaction to either return the funds to the buyer, send them to the seller, or some kind of split.

If the transaction completes successfully, as presumably > 90% of transactions would, both parties sign it and the funds are sent to the seller.


There are other things that could be built on top of this sytem. For lazy people, those who don't want to run desktop clients, or those who don't care about their security, there could be hidden service web sites where they could create accounts, and which manage all of this stuff for them. In fact, SR could be an interface for this. It's analogous to people choosing between hosting their coins on an ewallet or with their own bitcoin-qt client, even though everyone knows it's safer to run your own bitcoin-qt client. If people choose to use a third party service, that's no worse for their privacy than the current situation. In fact, it's exactly the same.

The great thing is that the user has choice in every step of the process. You can choose to use a third party market service or not. You can choose to use an escrow service or not. You can choose to reveal more info or not. There is no default transaction history or buyer stats that someone must know in order for you to participate.

Now, who wants to build it?