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Discussion => Silk Road discussion => Topic started by: jackofspades on August 06, 2013, 06:19 pm
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In light of recent events such as the arrest of TOR mail founder and FH going down, in addition to other security concerns, is it time that we make it possible to transfer your stats to to new account under a different username, different password, and different PIN?
I have great stats on my marketplace account and i do not want to lose them because vendors appreciate users like me who haven't had problems in the past. I like my stats because it means vendors are more likely to do business with me. It's a great system. However, it may help to throw LE of the trail of some SR members if DPR implemented a way to change your username or to transfer your stats.
This could be especially useful for those members who have used their account name on other websites (clearnet or otherwise) or those who want a little piece of mind for their security.
Not sure if this would accomplish much but i would certainly feel more safe if i could keep my stats but change my name once a year or once every 10k spent, or something like that.
tl;dr I want to keep my stats but operate under a different username.
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Agreed
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I asked DPR about this directly, considering my clients who's details I compromised.
His response (which he's also already sent to someone else who made the request):
"This is not easily done and our policy is to not do it. Normally you would need to start over with a new account. If you want to be 100% secure, that's what you'll need to do, because things like feedback can still be linked to you."
BG
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Yes I think all silk road members should have the option to change there names once.
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Hey DPR
Just to say i know you are a very busy man always but i also wish i could change username also as different
to my forum name so please if ever get any free time willl you see what you can do for us SR buyers
Kindest Regards
WA
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I would definitely be on board for this type of action. It would be great for vendors because they are under a lot of scrutiny and it would probably be hard to prosecute a vendor if they kept changing their name every few months. Probably would need new warrants and other types of stuff.
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i have to say i think this is actually a very good idea. im not sure about the part regarding feedback as quoted by dpr. maybe if enough people get on board with this idea it may take off. subbing
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I would consider changing my name even without receiving the feedback again in the first place. I think the only thing a vendor would care about is the 300+ transactions if their accounts are used frequently,the rating next to their name, and the time that they have been a vendor(I wouldn't be opposed to losing this one either if necessary). I would be happy if all the text feedbacks were deleted upon creating the new account
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Yes, we only need the option to change our names, the stats would stay the same, and no matter how many times you changed your name, the stats should just keep building.
Ureeka.
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Yes, we only need the option to change our names, the stats would stay the same, and no matter how many times you changed your name, the stats should just keep building.
Ureeka.
You worded it perfectly for me lol
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If your stats go with you, your feedback goes with you too. That would make changing your name pointless since your feedback comments are often unique to you.
Besides, what would changing your name actually result in if your stats are kept? It will look funny and make someone want to research who you might have been.
Vendors can't change their name and still have the same listings if they expect to fool anyone.
For buyers, just start a new account. That's truly the best way to break from your old self. If you practiced basic security you have nothing much to worry about. If you didn't and you're worried, start a new account and consider losing your stats as tuition.
BTW, scammer & LEO accounts would also love the ability to change their name without having to start again. Think about that.
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If your stats go with you, your feedback goes with you too. That would make changing your name pointless since your feedback comments are often unique to you.
BTW, scammer & LEO accounts would also love the ability to change their name without having to start again. Think about that.
During the time period you are going to change your name, just go back and edit your feedback. keep the same numerical rating so the vendors stats arent effected but write a totally new feedback. LE isnt going to have the time to try and link totally new feedback with a new account to old/inactive accounts.
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As for the scammer accounts...this is exactly why keeping stats would be extremely beneficial! Vendors would rather view the stats of buyers than their name anyway. Scammers still create new accounts all the time.
The better the stats, the more likely they are to have vendors accept their business. Sorry to all newbies who are trying to make an honest purchase fofr the first time, the scammers ruined it for ya and you may get denied a few times before someone finally accepts the order. But that only encourages honesty and trust wil build with orders.
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What does feedback have to do with stats. Delete the text feedback. Keep the 5/5's.
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You'd pretty much have to eliminate the 'become a fan' option because that could be easily used to track a vendor's name changes.
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Upon name change fans could be eliminated as well. Then you would just have to build it up again.
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If your stats go with you, your feedback goes with you too. That would make changing your name pointless since your feedback comments are often unique to you.
BTW, scammer & LEO accounts would also love the ability to change their name without having to start again. Think about that.
During the time period you are going to change your name, just go back and edit your feedback. keep the same numerical rating so the vendors stats arent effected but write a totally new feedback. LE isnt going to have the time to try and link totally new feedback with a new account to old/inactive accounts.
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As for the scammer accounts...this is exactly why keeping stats would be extremely beneficial! Vendors would rather view the stats of buyers than their name anyway. Scammers still create new accounts all the time.
The better the stats, the more likely they are to have vendors accept their business. Sorry to all newbies who are trying to make an honest purchase fofr the first time, the scammers ruined it for ya and you may get denied a few times before someone finally accepts the order. But that only encourages honesty and trust wil build with orders.
Not sure what there would be to gain security-wise from a name change all the while keeping stats. Order once from a compromised vendor and your username change won't matter since LE would have your drop address and alias used to order. Then they would either set up a controlled delivery or set up surveillance at the drop. And they would probably use purchasing stats to determine which of those they would decide to go after. Large order coupled with relatively high purchasing stats would be the better target to pursue rather than one with a smallish order coupled with low purchasing stats. The former would probably yield more charges besides just intent to distribute given how much they spent on SR and how long they were a member.
Besides that, your stats can't be seen by anyone except a vendor and SR staff. A vendor can only see the stats when you place and order and once shipped, they lose the ability to view your stats. The only other time a vendor can see your stats is when you enter resolutions.
The buyer who is a scammer would benefit the most from the ability to change their name since then he or she could elude the blacklists which only report the buyer's username and type of scam. The ability to change username yet keep stats is what would make them all the more effective at their grift-craft. There are already a number of veteran buyers with perfect stats who use their stats to scam relatively new vendors by way of feedback blackmail. Given how the feedback rating formula weighs an active veteran buyer's feedback more heavily than a relatively new buyer's, new vendors are far more vulnerable to this type of scam. But if these buyers could change their name, they would move up the food chain and go after more established vendors more often since blacklists would then become completely ineffectual. And if they became ineffectual, then vendors would be forced to keep and share address information in order to protect themselves from these serial scammers. A prime example of unintended consequences.
If you're worried about compromised Tormail or Freedom hosting accounts being linked to your SR username because you used the same there as here, consider that without metadata that de-anonymizes you, the compromised information is useless. But if that compromised data does identify the true you and some of your activities, changing your username on SR would be akin to playing a shell game where the shell you're under is the only bright yellow shell on the table.
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You'd pretty much have to eliminate the 'become a fan' option because that could be easily used to track a vendor's name changes.
A small price to pay for the amount of security we'd be gaining. IMO.
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The buyer who is a scammer would benefit the most from the ability to change their name since then he or she could elude the blacklists which only report the buyer's username and type of scam. The ability to change username yet keep stats is what would make them all the more effective at their grift-craft. There are already a number of veteran buyers with perfect stats who use their stats to scam relatively new vendors by way of feedback blackmail. Given how the feedback rating formula weighs an active veteran buyer's feedback more heavily than a relatively new buyer's, new vendors are far more vulnerable to this type of scam. But if these buyers could change their name, they would move up the food chain and go after more established vendors more often since blacklists would then become completely ineffectual. And if they became ineffectual, then vendors would be forced to keep and share address information in order to protect themselves from these serial scammers. A prime example of unintended consequences.
While I would like the ability to change usernames this is exactly what I was thinking when reading about the idea.
I am not a vendor but I could easily see how this would not be cool with a lot of them who value the blacklist as this would make it essentially worthless.
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If your stats go with you, your feedback goes with you too. That would make changing your name pointless since your feedback comments are often unique to you.
BTW, scammer & LEO accounts would also love the ability to change their name without having to start again. Think about that.
During the time period you are going to change your name, just go back and edit your feedback. keep the same numerical rating so the vendors stats arent effected but write a totally new feedback. LE isnt going to have the time to try and link totally new feedback with a new account to old/inactive accounts.
and
As for the scammer accounts...this is exactly why keeping stats would be extremely beneficial! Vendors would rather view the stats of buyers than their name anyway. Scammers still create new accounts all the time.
The better the stats, the more likely they are to have vendors accept their business. Sorry to all newbies who are trying to make an honest purchase fofr the first time, the scammers ruined it for ya and you may get denied a few times before someone finally accepts the order. But that only encourages honesty and trust wil build with orders.
Not sure what there would be to gain security-wise from a name change all the while keeping stats. Order once from a compromised vendor and your username change won't matter since LE would have your drop address and alias used to order. Then they would either set up a controlled delivery or set up surveillance at the drop. And they would probably use purchasing stats to determine which of those they would decide to go after. Large order coupled with relatively high purchasing stats would be the better target to pursue rather than one with a smallish order coupled with low purchasing stats. The former would probably yield more charges besides just intent to distribute given how much they spent on SR and how long they were a member.
Besides that, your stats can't be seen by anyone except a vendor and SR staff. A vendor can only see the stats when you place and order and once shipped, they lose the ability to view your stats. The only other time a vendor can see your stats is when you enter resolutions.
The buyer who is a scammer would benefit the most from the ability to change their name since then he or she could elude the blacklists which only report the buyer's username and type of scam. The ability to change username yet keep stats is what would make them all the more effective at their grift-craft. There are already a number of veteran buyers with perfect stats who use their stats to scam relatively new vendors by way of feedback blackmail. Given how the feedback rating formula weighs an active veteran buyer's feedback more heavily than a relatively new buyer's, new vendors are far more vulnerable to this type of scam. But if these buyers could change their name, they would move up the food chain and go after more established vendors more often since blacklists would then become completely ineffectual. And if they became ineffectual, then vendors would be forced to keep and share address information in order to protect themselves from these serial scammers. A prime example of unintended consequences.
If you're worried about compromised Tormail or Freedom hosting accounts being linked to your SR username because you used the same there as here, consider that without metadata that de-anonymizes you, the compromised information is useless. But if that compromised data does identify the true you and some of your activities, changing your username on SR would be akin to playing a shell game where the shell you're under is the only bright yellow shell on the table.
I trust this guy
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We shud have multiple identifies,like vendor sub accounts, to purchase with while our stats remaining the same.
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We shud have multiple identifies,like vendor sub accounts, to purchase with while our stats remaining the same.
Great idea.
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We shud have multiple identifies,like vendor sub accounts, to purchase with while our stats remaining the same.
Great idea.
Great idea for scammers. They get their username blacklisted and just use a sub account. 8)
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To all the people that wanna change there usernames, you should take things slower think things over. HIDE YOUR ASS...
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Im another that would appreciate a change like this...
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This would be all fine and dandy if we also had BUYER FEEDBACK. We do not have buyer feedback so a blacklist would be pointless if buyers can just keep changing their name without losing their stats. If we had buyer feedback then the feedback would also follow them.
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something has to change, some of these buyers are already using multiple accounts freely.
as sellers we are constantly at the mercy of self-serving crooks who hide under the guise of anonymity.
buyers accounts should cost money to obtain, and accounts used for harassment or scamming should be frozen including the sign up fee and any funds within the account.
that would keep at least some of the scum at arms length.
buyer feedback would also be a great idea that shouldnt be too difficult to implement, and with the added security of 'buyer account bonds' these vermin would actually stand to lose out if they are found to be abusing the system.
also, a 100% correctly answered SR basic facts Q&A checklist should be required before an account is issued to keep fools from placing orders and then asking the most ignorant of questions over & over again and then threatening buyers with negativity for not answering dozens of mails immediately.
tl:dr - buyer account bonds, buyer feedback & 100% Q&A site checklist before account is issued would be a good start
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I asked DPR about this directly, considering my clients who's details I compromised.
His response (which he's also already sent to someone else who made the request):
"This is not easily done and our policy is to not do it. Normally you would need to start over with a new account. If you want to be 100% secure, that's what you'll need to do, because things like feedback can still be linked to you."
BG
It sucked being a noob with no stats. Being one of your customers that was compromised I would welcome a change but don't want to start over again. I wish there was an option for this.
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Any when you changed your name, you would have to post a pic of your penis.....
No, we don't do that. Imagine if we did, that would be so gay, right?