Quote from: doctorwork on May 13, 2013, 05:51 amActually I still have one question: if, by any chance, liston shipped the product before he was banned and it arrives, will it be possible to finalize and pay him? I would assume it's not possible to pay someone when they're banned, as obviously they'd be unable to access the site, but I'm not totally clear on how selling on SR works, and the finalize link is still clickable on my 'Order' page. I would like to pay for any product that does arrive...shouldn't like to feel like I was ripping someone off, even if they were banned for potentially doing the same. Could anyone shed some light on this technicality? Thanks.Doc, you seem like a good guy who wants to pay for what you receive. CHECK THIS OUT IN THE NAME OF JUSTICE: I, ALONG WITH THE HELP OF LIBERTAS WHO'S HERE ON THE FORUM ALWAYS HELPING HIS FELLOW MAN OR WOMAN, AND A FAIR AND ZERO-TOLERANCE POLICY OF THE SR ADMIN TEAM, GOT LISTON BANNED FOR ASKING ME TO PAY HIM OUTSIDE OF ESCROW and/or THREATENING TO SEND COPIOUS AMOUNTS OF A SCHEDULE II DRUG TO ME FROM OUTSIDE MY HOME COUNTRY IN A SUSPECT PACKAGE, THEN HANDING OVER MY DETAILS TO THE FEDS AND MY LOCAL LE, ALONG WITH A TRACKING NUMBER TO MAKE IT CONVENIENT FOR THEM TO KEEP UP WITH IT.I am not soliciting for you or anyone else to send me anything I don't deserve, but if you get your stuff from him, like I did many times, until the last package that he messed up and wouldn't give me back the 2.57 that he had me send outside of escrow to make it right.If you receive your order, I would be glad to accept up to 2.57 BC, because that is what Liston had me send outside of escrow, after I requested a larger, custom order be made. He told me to to order a much smaller one and send the rest, directly to him, here on SR, but outside escrow.You can authenticate my story by using the search function here on the forum and see that I started posting about this in April.Now, the funniest things have began, not funny like ha ha. He has sent additional threats to my Tormail, which he has and apparently he or one of his goons knows how to use the white pages online because he has found out my physical street address and I have had several blocked numbers, and some from cells showing to be in the Southern FL area since he was banned, and we are just talking about a couple days. I am a little scared but what am I supposed to do? I don't call 911 first, I defend my family, then myself, and then my property first, then I call for an ambulance. But what could I tell LE?I thought I had this ironed out by just changing my PO Box a couple of days ago and at another office in another small town close by. Besides making me drive 15 minutes there and 15 mins back every few days after work, I am now in fear for my safely, and more the safely of my loved ones. Let me tell you, Liston, and the people he has doing this for him are crazy as hell. The most twisted threats you can imagine about killing and torturing me and my family, having me sent to prison and having his contacts on the inside rape, torture and kill me. Plus, get this one, one of the callers told me they were going to help the DEA bring down SR, then release my name and details and tell everyone it was all my fault, and then he said "we won't have to do nothing, they will take care of you". I assume he meant one of the thousands of SR users.Anyone offer any advice?I CANT go to LE. That is not how i handle things in life, plus, what do I say, "I was ordering my Xth order of X, a controlled substance, from a guy named Liston, and that is a screen name. I don't know who or where this person is from, nor do I have a picture or know anyone that knows him...I have just incriminated myself and brought more attention to the road, which we do NOT need, and I certainly DO NOT need!!!!But, as I say, if you feel you must pay someone if you get your order, send them to me. Then you can send me the BC that he effectively stole from me by exploiting my relative newness to the SR system, and the fact that I had spent a whole lot of money with him, along with him knowing that even had he lost the dispute in the SR and lost all of the amount I paid in purchase using escrow, the proper way, that he could make off with a bunch of my money. He thought I would be intimidated by his threats but I have had firefights in the last decade in two different countries, and I will never see out of my left eye again because of it. When I was over there, I thought back on my days and I felt I was fighting for people like the people of SR, even though it didn't exist, I always would say to myself, that I just wanted anyone and everyone to be free to do what they want, good or bad, as long is it didn't hurt anyone else.Keep in mind that the 2.57 BC when this happened had been purchased at a FAR, FAR higher price and spent through purchase and deposits directly to him.So, if you feel so inclined, contact me, I will give you my info and you can make me whole again, in addition to thanking me for getting some ticking time bomb threat like him out of our mostly honorable ranks.Like I say, search liston and see that I am a truthful person. Like I said in on post a long time ago when I was criticized, questioned, and doubted, "hear me now, believe me later". ; )Seriously, that was a LOT of money to me and set me back for a few months at the very least.As of all of Aesop's fables their is a moral to the story: In short, read, and become very aware of all rules for both buyers and sellers. In long, listen to Libertas, Scout, and the rest. Read every official thing SR or this forum provides. I am a poorer, and nervous example for you all.A. DON'T SEND MONEY OUTSIDE ESCROW (it's there for a reason, to protect us, not to sound officialA. 1. Report any vendor that asks you to FE via the report link on the product or vendor page, they may be backed up, but the SR Admins team WILL read your comments and look at me, they choose fairness and the rules even if that means a "Big Time" seller vs. a little new buyer with only about 15 purchases.B. VENDORS: Don't be like Liston and keep our Name's and addresses! I know most of you are as legit as they come. BUYERS: Report any threat that you receive or any message or contact from a vendor that constitutes a threat or reveals they are violated the Seller's Agreement that they must agree to, prior to becoming a vendor.SPECIAL THANKS TO YOU FORUM MODS AGAIN!!!!!PM me if you wish to discuss anything that you don't want published on here.I wish Liston would do the right thing and just transfer back to me what is rightfully mine, which he admitted in the Resolution Center, but since he tricked me into the much smaller purchase, that is the refund I got. The SR Admin told me that they can't enforce any refund that a seller convinced a buyer to send outside of refund.My screen name on SR: tihssasuomynona So, sir, if your conscience tells you that you should pay for what you got and you are the type to do the right thing, I suggest you kill two birds with one stone, send it to me, you pay Liston indirectly by paying his debt that he refuses/ed to pay.Just my two cents. But most importantly: Follow rules for buyers and sellers, Read the forums and see other SRoadies problems (wish I would have done that), Don't violate the rules, Report sellers who ask you to, Stay in drugs!, Don't do school, fool!....all joking aside read everything on SR and at least all stickies or anything scout or the global mod, Libertas, tells you to. I learned this through experience, the hard way...they don't just do this for fun. I consider Libertas to be sort of each Silk Roadies Lawyer, if you will. He will tell you up front that the SR admin has the final say, but he will act as a knowledgeable advocate. That is what he did for me, but we can make sure these guys got more time for more important and more needed situations by studying and becoming one with the rules.-This is the Garden of Eden, not just for drugs, but for true free-will, liberty, and total freedom from the state and those who wish to control us. Let us not, as the good book says, more or less, fuck it up for ourselves and all those who will come after us. We owe that to those EXTREMELY BRAVE pioneers who made this possible for us.God bless Silk Road!