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Market => Rumor mill => Topic started by: USdirectforyou on May 11, 2012, 12:12 am
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Do I need to screen shot you again what DPR said how he told you the right things was to give my customers the coins back.... after I post that... you delete my thread lol
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USD im sorry bro but we all know what happened, you made that perfectly clear in the several threads you have started.
I think its time for you to move back to Support messages / PM's on SR side bro.
Im not tryin to be a dick but its getting old.
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i believe he said you were a scammer, sr knows that and suspended your seller account. is your seller account suspended?
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I don't think nomad touched the thread.. I believe it was someone higher up on the food chain.
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can someone give me a link to an onion image up loader... I'm not gonna stop... nomad do the right thing like DPR asked you to...
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I don't think nomad touched the thread.. I believe it was someone higher up on the food chain.
What/when was this thread even around? I've been online all day and haven't seen anything. Was it yesterday or something?
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can someone give me a link to an onion image up loader... I'm not gonna stop... nomad do the right thing like DPR asked you to...
xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion
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i believe he said you were a scammer, sr knows that and suspended your seller account. is your seller account suspended?
no my sellers account still works but Im not selling here anymore. Only resolution DPR offered was giving me a new account..... for what I'm done with SR
Lol yea so I'm scamming people who are confirming they receive large order that they FE on during the hacking.... you idiot! My loss in money because I didn't get paid. Would you ship some something you didn't get paid for....? probably not... but I am so PEACE!
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US direct = nomad (?)
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USD why dont you jump on pidgin and talk to nomad directly.
I really dont see the need to keep bringing everyone on SR forums into this. It really doesnt resolve anything
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Cuz I guarantee you, some of the people that run SR are also in on the scamming that goes around here all the fucking time
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I don't think nomad touched the thread.. I believe it was someone higher up on the food chain.
What/when was this thread even around? I've been online all day and haven't seen anything. Was it yesterday or something?
the thread your little bitch ass won't shut up in... remember that one.... guess what... an SR mod deleted it
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USD why dont you jump on pidgin and talk to nomad directly.
I really dont see the need to keep bringing everyone on SR forums into this. It really doesnt resolve anything
This
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here's the screen shot of what DRP's take on this is.... give back my customers and me the coins!!!!!
http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/view.php?image=301809f033fba41b1441e5fdc9654c00.png
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I don't think nomad touched the thread.. I believe it was someone higher up on the food chain.
What/when was this thread even around? I've been online all day and haven't seen anything. Was it yesterday or something?
the thread your little bitch ass won't shut up in... remember that one.... guess what... an SR mod deleted it
Nice little accusatory tone you have got yourself going on there cunt. I suggest until you can keep your willy up and not get hacked/jacked/or refrain from scamming you may not want to be calling other people bitches, seeing as, getting hacked/jacked/or scamming people is what bitches do. Perhaps a little reflection on one's self would be good here.
Also, baring in mind you were getting trolled and I deleted them, maybe a bit of gratitude would have been in order? Then again, bitches never say thank you, they just get jiz in their eye.
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USD why dont you jump on pidgin and talk to nomad directly.
I really dont see the need to keep bringing everyone on SR forums into this. It really doesnt resolve anything
This
because nomad wont address this privately so I will force him to publicly!
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I don't think nomad touched the thread.. I believe it was someone higher up on the food chain.
What/when was this thread even around? I've been online all day and haven't seen anything. Was it yesterday or something?
the thread your little bitch ass won't shut up in... remember that one.... guess what... an SR mod deleted it
Nice little accusatory tone you have got yourself going on there cunt. I suggest until you can keep your willy up and not get hacked/jacked/or refrain from scamming you may not want to be calling other people bitches, seeing as, getting hacked/jacked/or scamming people is what bitches do. Perhaps a little reflection on one's self would be good here.
Also, baring in mind you were getting trolled and I deleted them, maybe a bit of gratitude would have been in order? Then again, bitches never say thank you, they just get jiz in their eye.
Sorry about the attidue I'm just not happy dude, I'm losing money paying for orders I never got payed for and nomad isn't giving me shit back...... And also You weren't ery nice either that whole thread so I gues you got jiz in your eye also ???
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I don't think nomad touched the thread.. I believe it was someone higher up on the food chain.
What/when was this thread even around? I've been online all day and haven't seen anything. Was it yesterday or something?
the thread your little bitch ass won't shut up in... remember that one.... guess what... an SR mod deleted it
That's not very ladylike of you to speak that way, and I think the majority of us are getting tired of this shit by now. :-\
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have you returned everyones money yet?
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I don't think nomad touched the thread.. I believe it was someone higher up on the food chain.
What/when was this thread even around? I've been online all day and haven't seen anything. Was it yesterday or something?
the thread your little bitch ass won't shut up in... remember that one.... guess what... an SR mod deleted it
That's not very ladylike of you to speak that way, and I think the majority of us are getting tired of this shit by now. :-\
Well, I certainly am. There's been a lot of bad vibes here lately - mostly because of tony - but USD is certainly contributing his share of shit in the general direction of the fan and I wish everyone would stop already.
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I don't think nomad touched the thread.. I believe it was someone higher up on the food chain.
What/when was this thread even around? I've been online all day and haven't seen anything. Was it yesterday or something?
the thread your little bitch ass won't shut up in... remember that one.... guess what... an SR mod deleted it
Nice little accusatory tone you have got yourself going on there cunt. I suggest until you can keep your willy up and not get hacked/jacked/or refrain from scamming you may not want to be calling other people bitches, seeing as, getting hacked/jacked/or scamming people is what bitches do. Perhaps a little reflection on one's self would be good here.
Also, baring in mind you were getting trolled and I deleted them, maybe a bit of gratitude would have been in order? Then again, bitches never say thank you, they just get jiz in their eye.
Sorry about the attidue I'm just not happy dude, I'm losing money paying for orders I never got payed for and nomad isn't giving me shit back...... And also You weren't ery nice either that whole thread so I gues you got jiz in your eye also ???
I appreciate that and to be frank, I do think it's possible you got hacked. I mean, if you are running a scam it's a fucking silly one when you could have gone off time back and your screenshot is compelling. This is why I pulled that guys trolling posts from your thread because if you are being straight, you don't need spineless wankers like that adding in their 2-penneth.
See...I can be nice.
In fairness though. Gary Oak is right, people are getting tired of seeing it and I don't think they will be bothered until you have the orders/refunds straightened out. IF you are telling the truth my advice would be to prioritize that and then maybe come back to whatever issues you have with whoever (not my concern).
I personally don't know what to think. I'm slightly pessimistic of it all but you haven't fucked off so whatever.
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The way that the SR mods are acting are as if therealusdirect is using this accusation as the excuse for why this money came up missing. I mean, is there any other vendor accusing SR of anything similar to this? Is there a group of vendors/buyers who say that SR stole their bitcoin? Is therealusdirect the first and only SR account holder to ever accuse SR of taking his/her bitcoin? I am new here but I'm just saying. Peace
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i guess i'm glad you wouldn't sell me that mda in escrow usd. i would have been right in the middle of this shit storm. thanks for not trusting an honest buyer, with low purchases. you saved me from an ass raping myself. well, not really. i wouldn't fe. but, yeah. maybe next time you'll think twice about who you trust. this time it seems it was the big dog that bit you, not the small fish trying to get a taste of sass.
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I browse these forums daily when I get the time..
For the past 3 weeks, less and less valuable, usable information for the tight world and people we have here has gone away, and more greedy, trolltastic, piece of rubbish threads keep coming up.
Flame wars and out of this world accusations on vendors that have been here since the start are also stacking up in the ass loads.
I hope this shit stops soon..
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If there really is evidence of dpr saying nomad should give usd coins back everyone here saying that usd should "quit whining" should seriously fuck off.
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everyone here saying that usd should "quit whining" should seriously fuck off.
Not really, these topics are really just an eyesore as they tend to turn into a shitstorm of nothing. I'd prefer if they dealt with this matter more privately rather than adding to the chaos that is the Rumor Mill at this point in time. So no matter how this ends up going down, it's still not going to effect me either way. So I feel as though I have the right to 'whine' thank you very much. ;)
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Would you like some cheese and crackers with your Whine Gary? Perhaps a celery stick? :P
Yeah...shit joke...but I went there...
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Would you like some cheese and crackers with your Whine Gary? Perhaps a celery stick? :P
Yeah...shit joke...but I went there...
Damn it, you had to bring up food at the worst possible moment. My stomach would stripe you if it had the chance right now. :-[
On another note, how do I join the "Gangster No 1 :P" group? Sounds legit.....any possible initiations involved? ::)
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Would you like some cheese and crackers with your Whine Gary? Perhaps a celery stick? :P
Yeah...shit joke...but I went there...
Damn it, you had to bring up food at the worst possible moment. My stomach would stripe you if it had the chance right now. :-[
On another note, how do I join the "Gangster No 1 :P" group? Sounds legit.....any possible initiations involved? ::)
Haha I actually have some left over pizza that I ordered in, was pretty fucking lush by all accounts.
And I was just having a bit of a play around with the custom-title feature and I was watching the film at the time lol. :P I might have to suggest it becoming an actual legit title haha.
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everyone here saying that usd should "quit whining" should seriously fuck off.
Not really, these topics are really just an eyesore as they tend to turn into a shitstorm of nothing. I'd prefer if they dealt with this matter more privately rather than adding to the chaos that is the Rumor Mill at this point in time. So no matter how this ends up going down, it's still not going to effect me either way. So I feel as though I have the right to 'whine' thank you very much. ;)
Good call, Gary. A shitstorm of nothing, in which nothing ever gets resolved. Most resolutions that are favorable to all players involved are almost without exception handled privately. These public spectacles just end up leading to a show of one-upmanship... Pissing contests with no prize. Feedback and forum reviews are important in helping me decide which vendors I want to use, but even more important is how a vendor reacts in the forums to these types of spats. Don't want no drama.
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I don't think nomad touched the thread.. I believe it was someone higher up on the food chain.
What/when was this thread even around? I've been online all day and haven't seen anything. Was it yesterday or something?
the thread your little bitch ass won't shut up in... remember that one.... guess what... an SR mod deleted it
Nice little accusatory tone you have got yourself going on there cunt. I suggest until you can keep your willy up and not get hacked/jacked/or refrain from scamming you may not want to be calling other people bitches, seeing as, getting hacked/jacked/or scamming people is what bitches do. Perhaps a little reflection on one's self would be good here.
Also, baring in mind you were getting trolled and I deleted them, maybe a bit of gratitude would have been in order? Then again, bitches never say thank you, they just get jiz in their eye.
First.. I think this guy is a total liar. I think this thread should be deleted too.
But then I read this:
"Then again, bitches never say thank you, they just get jiz in their eye."
Limitless I am dying.LOL LOL LOL LOL
Now that your a mod ... I just look for shit you post in.
RxKing loves the truth.
I know there will be some asshole that will say "a mod should not talk like this". But this is exactly what should be said!!
If you act like this... you get treated like this.
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peoples responses to this just show me the true nature of SR, its everyone for themselves and most will shit on you or just dont give a fuck.
Haha, that made me picture actually taking a shit on you. ;D
Take care though, I guess. :-\ More drugs for us anyways, I guess some just don't understand our humor here. I have no excuse for the way I act, after all...I'm Gary Motherfucking Oak. I'm just naturally that arrogant, awwww yeah billy-boy!!! 8)
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What i have concluded:
Started with USD accusing SR admin/mods with stealing his money.
Then his views changed to that he _might_ have been hacked by someone else, but the fact that nomad has some of his coins (hacker changed withdraw address to nomads public wallet for who the fucks knows why)
USD's story about how much coins nomad got changed constantly from 600->500->600->300, i came to the conclusion he used blockexplorer and instead of calculating how much nomad received he used the total wallet balance (example: address has 0 coins in it from the beginning, then someone send 2 transactions to it both containing 20 bitcoins adding up to a total of 40 coins; what he calculated was that after the first transaction the wallet had 20 bitcoins and after the second one it had 40 (20+40=60) and ended up with ~600 instead of the correct number of ~300)
USD put up a screenshot of his SR withdrawal history supporting his claims, this screenshot could have been faked but there is no way to find out. However it doesn't make much sense to fake this stuff only to get 300 bitcoins out of nomad, if he truly wanted to scam people he should just have run off with the money he could get, not try to get an extra 300 bitcoins from nomad by making up a long story while claiming to reship stuff to people
Another weird thing is that he had told a lot of people he had shipped their stuff while he had not really sent it out yet, also ignored those who asked if their package had really been shipped for about 30 pages before weakly admitting/hinting that they might not have been sent out yet.
If nomad would have given a good reason to where the bitcoins in his public donation address came from or at least try defend himself in some other way than to say "i don't even know how to hack an xbox" i probably would just believe USD was a scammer; Now i believe nomad is just being greedy and don't want to do the honest thing and return the money to USD/deny to acknowledge that it is USD's money. Think about it, if you saw 300 bitcoins in your wallet and someone told you that the bitcoins actually belong to him and that he was hacked - would you return the bitcoins to him?
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See thats the problem, you think your arrogant but really arrogance doesnt come across well on the internet, its best played out in "the real world" but more than likely your a nerd who doesnt want to mix in the real world with the kind of people who deal quantities of drugs because its scary, and who likes the fact that you can say what you want on here without fear of somebody actually stamping on your spine until you cant walk.
Acting tough or arrogant on the internet is about as believable as telling people your Tony Montana....know what I mean Gary boy.
You can have all the drugs you want from here as I wouldnt trust anyone here with your vagina. Theres much better and safer places on the net, SR is looked down upon in a lot of online places because it attracts cowboys like yourself who believe in their own hype.
Aww, no need to take it personal buddy. :-[ I didn't mean to get you all flustered. It sounds like you could actually benefit from buying a few drugs before you leave, give it some thought. ;)
You can just as easily say that I'm not arrogant but I'm still quite sure I am, as the definition of arrogance is, "An offensive display of superiority or self-importance.". Seems pretty accurate to me considering you were awfully offended by my post and all... :P
Do try to make a bit more sense in your next post if you decide to stay after all. Because it's really confusing when you call me 'Gary boy', followed by the remark that I have a vagina, once again followed by the accusation that I'm a cowboy.....Make up your fucking mind you bozo! Are you really that scatterbrained mate? :o
Oh, and no shit Sherlock, of course I'm a fucking nerd. I'm obviously a fan of old school Pokémon as my username is Gary Oak. ::) Luckily this is an anonymous forum, I don't have to care about silly people like you flirting with me so imagine me however you want. I've got plenty of bud so I can cruise right through your insults all night, it's not going to make your chode any bigger though bro. :'(
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Do try to make a bit more sense in your next post if you decide to stay after all. Because it's really confusing when you call me 'Gary boy', followed by the remark that I have a vagina, once again followed by the accusation that I'm a cowboy.....Make up your fucking mind you bozo! Are you really that scatterbrained mate? :o
Gary boy, Lady boy...whatever, samething 8)
Did you know that I'm also DPR; nomad bloodbath; USdirectforyou; Kappacino; and last of all a LEO? True story bro. 8)
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Do try to make a bit more sense in your next post if you decide to stay after all. Because it's really confusing when you call me 'Gary boy', followed by the remark that I have a vagina, once again followed by the accusation that I'm a cowboy.....Make up your fucking mind you bozo! Are you really that scatterbrained mate? :o
Gary boy, Lady boy...whatever, samething 8)
Did you know that I'm also DPR; nomad bloodbath; USdirectforyou; Kappacino; and last of all a LEO? True story bro. 8)
That actually made me laugh...touche!
That's weird, all I did was queef. :-\
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Has anyone gone thru USD's forums posts since he arrived here 4months ago?
It's filled with all kinds of stuff that shows his true colors.
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i think he has been around longer than 4 months. I have had multiple orders through him and everything has worked out just fine.
This time however no refund no reship, im out of $430 i guess.
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What's the situation here.. Was it proven that nomad actually received the coins?
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If there really is evidence of dpr saying nomad should give usd coins back everyone here saying that usd should "quit whining" should seriously fuck off.
I think people are missing this point, USdirectforyou has posted the link to the conversation between him/her and DPR where DPR suggested to nomad "he give the coins back". As ive said this issue isnt about a few dollars.
SR's numerous appearances in the media has attracted a lot of people who really shouldnt really be here, they dont give a fuck and will just want USAdirectforyou to shut up. He is no use to them now and they just move on to the next vendor. If it was their money they would be doing the same fucking thing.
whether he is right or wrong I think some questions need answering by nomad and DPR's, and out in the open for everyone to see because this whole episode is damaging to the integrity of SR.
yea every time a certain mod here deletes all my screen shot of proof and how screen shot of how DPR feels nomad should give me/customers back the btc but her can't force him....
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This bothered me first:
update:04/23 Ok so it's taking me a little longer to process all the LSD 420 sale than I expected. The sheets where freshly dipped around Sunday morning and put in a dark room with no air movement to dry out for 24 hours. Today, Monday, they started getting cut up and started preparing packages. So nothing was sent out today and won't be until tomorrow. I received around 150 orders in 24 hours with having to answer emails, preparing things, and still try to stay sane from not sleeping over 24 hours because of all the work I've had to do in a short amount of time the orders where delayed. The first packages will start to be sent out tomorrow Tuesday morning. Since I got around 150 orders to process priority for shipping will go to the largest orders first, those who FE and the large orders from escrow. It will go in that order. I have received many emails as to why it's still in processing and it's because they haven't shipped. Be patient because the majority of those emails are from people in escrow. So don't worry as long as you stay in escrow until you receive than you are protected. Anyways first shipments start tomorrow and will go from there. If you have any questions as to your order, email me and I can update you.
you will have to finalize early. if you are not ok with this than don't purchase this item.
Edited by nomad the post to get to the point.
And when combined with this forum post:
Posted by: USdirectforyou
« on: April 23, 2012, 02:57 AM »
Insert Quote
Thank you to all who ordered. Happy to say about 75% of all the orders where in escrow because the amazing stats of almost everyone who bought from me ;D I will have more once everyone finalizes once they receive and the feed back hits on my sr page and forums; which would be by the end of next week.
Edited by nomad the post to get to the point.
The point being that USD has had excuses why the FE are just shit out of luck and it sets up by having the
"hack" happen exactly when the products were suppose to arrive.
How many of the the total orders arrived in escrow and why were they refunded?
To be quite honest if USD had done the simplest way to solve this issue would have been to send me a PM on SRM when he realized funds had went missing and asking if I received 8 donation during that week I would have said yes and simply asked for a image to prove it and given the btcs right back. Not only has he never contacted me in a PM but decided to go create havoc in the forum over a private matter screaming like chicken little that could/should have been handled privately., but he never has, and because of this and the way he avoided many questions about orders being shipped and other things made me think more and more that "Something Smelled Fishy". A PM would not only have stopped me from spending any of the btc coins, would have also let me compare and inquire about the amounts that were sent, he no longer has listings so I cant even compare an extra fee like shipping, which is included in the purchase price yet there were several amounts in that were less than 1 btc in those donation deposits what were those for?
The fact is I never received 1000$ it was a little less and he constantly says I have way more than that.
Out of the money I did get I have enough to make a maybe 1-2 orders depends you taste in items.
The money sent to my account would not have saved his misfortune even if I had not gotten rid of it.
The is at least 11x that missing from what I understand.
I'll apologize to the ppl that FE but not USD, I saw donation in my find and i placed orders some on SR , why would I have ever questions the donations? It was nearly 12 hours later before I knew I had be accused of this and knew I was a patsy for the scam/hack.
Why is everyone blaming nomad when the problem seems to be USD's poor security?
It's amazing how diluted some of your thinking seems to be, just look at the reality of the situation.
so by poor security you mean having a 20plus password that was random.... having an encrypted paper wallet... not storing anything like passwords on my computer and running a VM.... tell me what more f security
i needed? please? are you even a vendor?
This quote right here kinda only says to me I'm unhackable, so I obviously setup someone as a misdirect to buy time.
What happened to the btcs is several different things some purchased items off SR and a large portion was sold to an individual that I did a mp>BTc sale to, how I will not name to just drag him/her into this craphole.
That is up to that individual he they wish to speak up. All this happened before I even knew the source of the donations.
And I was told "it up to you" what to do with the BTCS by DPR, even though at that time the majority had already left my possession.
Now USD you can can bitch and whine how it's my fault you are in the situation you are all you want, but it's not my fault. A vendetta must have been established by a member that pissed off, fucked over or simply disrespected, but none of these things apply to me because I don't buy coke and I don't buy LSD so I've never spoken to you in my live before the thread to defame myself and SR. You might want to think about who that is.
Also it would be nice if you sent a list if those fucked over to either DPR or DigitalAlch and then after they form their opinion I wouldn't mind seeing it. This didn't have to be the spectacle you made it, it could have been solved privately like adults but you seem to like to say whatever ridiculous statement that pops into your mind.
Maybe you did get hacked but announcing you leaving SR as a vendor seems sketchy as anything that has been brought up.
To sum it up, I do not have btcs to refund, nor drugs to send out or any responsibility for your business on Silk Road.
I'm sure there will be all the conspiracy theories to poke wholes in my post, but personally USD has evaded more questions than me from his buyers it seems from posts in the forum.
I'm done with this situation, there's nothing I can do about and it's not my problem anyway.
Also I'd like to add my favorite quote from the 600+ post on the forums from USD, " IF SR outlaws FE , I'll never ved here" yes you misspelled vend, wanna know the location of this quote PM me.
:)
nomad bloodbath
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I don't think nomad touched the thread.. I believe it was someone higher up on the food chain.
What/when was this thread even around? I've been online all day and haven't seen anything. Was it yesterday or something?
the thread your little bitch ass won't shut up in... remember that one.... guess what... an SR mod deleted it
Nice little accusatory tone you have got yourself going on there cunt. I suggest until you can keep your willy up and not get hacked/jacked/or refrain from scamming you may not want to be calling other people bitches, seeing as, getting hacked/jacked/or scamming people is what bitches do. Perhaps a little reflection on one's self would be good here.
Also, baring in mind you were getting trolled and I deleted them, maybe a bit of gratitude would have been in order? Then again, bitches never say thank you, they just get jiz in their eye.
Sorry about the attidue I'm just not happy dude, I'm losing money paying for orders I never got payed for and nomad isn't giving me shit back...... And also You weren't ery nice either that whole thread so I gues you got jiz in your eye also ???
I appreciate that and to be frank, I do think it's possible you got hacked. I mean, if you are running a scam it's a fucking silly one when you could have gone off time back and your screenshot is compelling. This is why I pulled that guys trolling posts from your thread because if you are being straight, you don't need spineless wankers like that adding in their 2-penneth.
See...I can be nice.
In fairness though. Gary Oak is right, people are getting tired of seeing it and I don't think they will be bothered until you have the orders/refunds straightened out. IF you are telling the truth my advice would be to prioritize that and then maybe come back to whatever issues you have with whoever (not my concern).
I personally don't know what to think. I'm slightly pessimistic of it all but you haven't fucked off so whatever.
Limit that's cool of you to respond that way and I like you dont know what happened. However if what he is saying is true then he has to come here to make noise. Also people are tired of seeing it but when I'm on the forum if I dont want to read something I dont click it lol. Nobody's making anyone read a thread right?? Hope this shit gets resolved and doesn't start happening more that would be a shame, I just found this place and am praying it doesn't go to shit.
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Would appear the plot thickens....
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In three weeks your supposed "shipped" sale products have not arrived yet in three days your reships do?
hmmm
"Something fishy here"
nomad
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God, all this just so I could get some L... :(
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LOL. Given the timing of all this, the rational conclusion would be that USD sent the bitcoins to Nomad as part of his not so clever scam ploy.
SR should probably stop holding sales. It just brings out the worse elements each time. Perhaps instead, a vendor point system. Accumulate so many points and the commission is free for a day of their choosing. This way individual vendors can announce sales and the community can assess the risk of the vendor and decide if they can actually handle the sales volume and are not scammers.
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WOW...And I FE too. Bye bye 192 bitcoins.... ill never FE again after this. Just one hell of an expensive lesson though :'(
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LOL. Given the timing of all this, the rational conclusion would be that USD sent the bitcoins to Nomad as part of his not so clever scam ploy.
SR should probably stop holding sales. It just brings out the worse elements each time. Perhaps instead, a vendor point system. Accumulate so many points and the commission is free for a day of their choosing. This way individual vendors can announce sales and the community can assess the risk of the vendor and decide if they can actually handle the sales volume and are not scammers.
i think that's a good idea. i didn't bother coining up for the 420 sale. i could smell sewage from the moment it was announced. and now we're still swimming in it. sitewide sales is just a bad idea, even though i think DPR had his intensions in the right place when he came up with it. 420 is the counter culture's holliday. a sale made sense. but, the scamming was inevitable.
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this thread just makes everyone look like shit
USd looks like a scammer
Limit looks easy to provoke
nomad looks unappreciative being he was sent 1k and never posted a thank you or tried to find who sent it to thank them, just spent it.
should just delete this shit and ban USD til he has repaid all debt.
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That was a pretty long-winded way of saying that you aren't going to return nearly a $1000 of Silk Road customer's money.
Whether or not USD's behaviour is shady or whether he scammed people is completely irrelevant so I'm not quite sure why you wrote an essay on it. If USD doesn't refund customers (I do think some people have received reships) you could do a lottery for those who lost money and then refund a proportion of them out of your 'donation'.
I didn't order anything from USD so I don't have a vested interest, I just thought I'd weigh in. Selling some of the bitcoins and ordering stuff off SR doesn't mean you can't still return the money...
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this thread just makes everyone look like shit
USd looks like a retard
Limit looks like a retard
nomad looks like a retard
should just delete this shit.
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Limit looks easy to provoke
Lol, I am quite easy to provoke though.
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i know, no biggie, i worry you will be troll bait though and they will come out in force just to fuck with you. you need to calibrate your troll detector and ignore them or forum will be a mess i think lol
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this thread just makes everyone look like shit
USd looks like a scammer
Limit looks easy to provoke
nomad looks unappreciative being he was sent 1k and never posted a thank you or tried to find who sent it to thank them, just spent it.
should just delete this shit and ban USD til he has repaid all debt.
I agree. It really is a shit situation for USD, provided that he did really get hacked and I really feel bad for all those involved. This whole thread has bad karma written all over it and I really have neglected to post on the matter and state a position because of it.
That being said possession is 9/10's of the law (not that any of us give a flying fuck about the law here) but I believe it can be applied here with Nomad. I'd relate it to finding money on the ground. Would you return it? If someone came over to you a day later and said 'Hey man, I dropped some cash, can I have it back'. Really you have no obligation to give it back, it's yours. But a good Samaritan would give it back.
Now let's look at it from Nomad's point of view. He found some money on the floor next to a shopping mall and went in a bought himself a a pair of shoes with it. A day later someone came to his door and said 'Hey man, I dropped some money'. Now what would you do? Even a good Samaritan may be in a bit of a moral conundrum.
Now USD, I believe you are in some trouble, but Nomad only did receive a fraction of what was taken. What are your plans to recoup those costs because they certainly can't be taken out of anyone's pocket but yours, unfortunately. It really is a crap situation but you just have to either head into the sunset or rebuild from the ground up.
I'm sure everyone here wants you to rebuild and especially tighten your security, but is it possible in your situation? Only you can decide.
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That was a pretty long-winded way of saying that you aren't going to return nearly a $1000 of Silk Road customer's money.
Whether or not USD's behaviour is shady or whether he scammed people is completely irrelevant so I'm not quite sure why you wrote an essay on it. If USD doesn't refund customers (I do think some people have received reships) you could do a lottery for those who lost money and then refund a proportion of them out of your 'donation'.
I didn't order anything from USD so I don't have a vested interest, I just thought I'd weigh in. Selling some of the bitcoins and ordering stuff off SR doesn't mean you can't still return the money...
I agree - Who donates near a grand? Even if USD did it on purpose, NOMAD - you are supposed to be a MOD - keep the peace, and make sure this place runs smoothly. I'll probably get torn to shit for saying this, but by being a MOD, you have to hold yourself to a higher standard. If this were any other board, you would probably have your administrative rights stripped for something like this.
I know we aren't the most ethical bunch, but come on.
The moment you found that money in your account, you should have paused, and wondered why anyone would donate such a large amount. At least I would have.
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Nah, Nomad thought of it as a donation. And why not? Finding a grand in your account, what's wrong with that? It's anonymous. Why does he need to ask where it comes from when BTC is anonymous currency?
And no, it's not like finding money on the ground. Better, it's like finding money in your wallet after waking up from a good night's sleep.
Nomad doesn't owe anyone a damn thing. Money was anonymously sent to his account. There's no way USD can prove his "hacked" account theory. And there's no reason to believe it either. He could just as easily orchestrated it all on his own and all anonymously.
Those who finalized early aren't innocent victims, per se. They took a gamble and lost. Since to me, just buying drugs off SR is gamble enough, I wouldn't compound the gamble by finalizing early under any circumstances. If all the vendors started to require it, I'd simply leave SR. Or if the vendors of my DOC all required it, I'll just go without my DOC.
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Now let's look at it from Nomad's point of view. He found some money on the floor next to a shopping mall and went in a bought himself a a pair of shoes with it. A day later someone came to his door and said 'Hey man, I dropped some money'. Now what would you do? Even a good Samaritan may be in a bit of a moral conundrum.
A more accurate analogy would be that Nomad works at the shopping mall where a customer was allegedly robbed, nomad sees the robber drop some of the money during his escape and is seen on cctv pocketing it (cctv analogous to blockexplorer evidence).
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A more accurate analogy would be that Nomad works at the shopping mall where a customer was allegedly robbed, nomad sees the robber drop some of the money during his escape and is seen on cctv pocketing it (cctv analogous to blockexplorer evidence).
Hahahaha, I like this guy
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this is also a shitty position for forum members, having moderators involved we are given pause and have to think do we dare say what we really think with fear of pissing off mods and making our time here on the forum uncomfortable. i believe thats one reason moderators should be held to a higher standard then regular forum members. how many people have wanted to say things about this situation but are afraid too. thats not how a healthy forum operates, people should not be put in that situation.
i personally dont care about this crap the only thing that bothers me is nomad didnt make a forum post thanking who ever donated him a large sum of money. he asks for donations and finally receives a large one and doesnt say a word, that makes him look either ungrateful or complicit in my eyes.
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FU*K ALL YOU HATERS!!! I HAVE DONATED OVER 3K to our mods and site!!! Yeah!! Lowlife scum that never gave a dime, putting in there 2 cents talking bad about nomad. nomad is in the clear on this one. I would think that it was a donation too. A real well deserved donation for all he does in our community.
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LOL. None of those analogies really work well because you have a few things to consider.
1. BTC is anonymous. Tracking the bitcoin explorer doesn't matter if there was an anonymizer used to tumble the transactions. Ever use block explorer to track your deposits to SR?
2. If someone sends money to your donation account, would you really think to yourself, "hmmm, this is uncanny? It must be that someone was hacked and they sent it to me?"
3. You're believing USD's story but have no reason to. He could have set the whole thing up. He has opportunity and motive to do so.
The situation is entirely the issue of USD. If his hack story is to be believed, that means he's a noob idiot who used an easily guessed password AND pin. Or used no security...nay... used ANTI-security in his affairs. In my mind, he loses credibility on this alone. Would YOU want your personal info to be in the hands of this vendor with such lax security? Not me brothers. Not me.
And Gupta is right. Why would Nomad need to publically thank anonymous donors? It's one thing if they sent a PM and he thanks them via PM. But come one really? What if he's the only one receiving donations and the other mods are not. would publically thanking anonymous donors be a classy move when you're not sure if the other mods are also receiving donation? Basic etiquette details that you remain quite so as to not invoke jealous ire.
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Nah, Nomad thought of it as a donation. And why not? Finding a grand in your account, what's wrong with that? It's anonymous. Why does he need to ask where it comes from when BTC is anonymous currency?
And no, it's not like finding money on the ground. Better, it's like finding money in your wallet after waking up from a good night's sleep.
Nomad doesn't owe anyone a damn thing. Money was anonymously sent to his account. There's no way USD can prove his "hacked" account theory. And there's no reason to believe it either. He could just as easily orchestrated it all on his own and all anonymously.
Those who finalized early aren't innocent victims, per se. They took a gamble and lost. Since to me, just buying drugs off SR is gamble enough, I wouldn't compound the gamble by finalizing early under any circumstances. If all the vendors started to require it, I'd simply leave SR. Or if the vendors of my DOC all required it, I'll just go without my DOC.
Yeah you're right. If I could rewrite that post I would. I guess it's more like someone receiving a donation and then getting asked back for it a day later after it's already gone. But what I was trying to convey with that post is that I believe Nomad had no obligation to return anything.
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Nah, Nomad thought of it as a donation. And why not? Finding a grand in your account, what's wrong with that? It's anonymous. Why does he need to ask where it comes from when BTC is anonymous currency?
And no, it's not like finding money on the ground. Better, it's like finding money in your wallet after waking up from a good night's sleep.
Nomad doesn't owe anyone a damn thing. Money was anonymously sent to his account. There's no way USD can prove his "hacked" account theory. And there's no reason to believe it either. He could just as easily orchestrated it all on his own and all anonymously.
Those who finalized early aren't innocent victims, per se. They took a gamble and lost. Since to me, just buying drugs off SR is gamble enough, I wouldn't compound the gamble by finalizing early under any circumstances. If all the vendors started to require it, I'd simply leave SR. Or if the vendors of my DOC all required it, I'll just go without my DOC.
LOL. None of those analogies really work well because you have a few things to consider.
1. BTC is anonymous. Tracking the bitcoin explorer doesn't matter if there was an anonymizer used to tumble the transactions. Ever use block explorer to track your deposits to SR?
2. If someone sends money to your donation account, would you really think to yourself, "hmmm, this is uncanny? It must be that someone was hacked and they sent it to me?"
3. You're believing USD's story but have no reason to. He could have set the whole thing up. He has opportunity and motive to do so.
The situation is entirely the issue of USD. If his hack story is to be believed, that means he's a noob idiot who used an easily guessed password AND pin. Or used no security...nay... used ANTI-security in his affairs. In my mind, he loses credibility on this alone. Would YOU want your personal info to be in the hands of this vendor with such lax security? Not me brothers. Not me.
And Gupta is right. Why would Nomad need to publically thank anonymous donors? It's one thing if they sent a PM and he thanks them via PM. But come one really? What if he's the only one receiving donations and the other mods are not. would publically thanking anonymous donors be a classy move when you're not sure if the other mods are also receiving donation? Basic etiquette details that you remain quite so as to not invoke jealous ire.
Nah, it has been shown Nomad's donation came from USD's account. DPR even 'suggested he gives the coins back to [USD]' (http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/view.php?image=301809f033fba41b1441e5fdc9654c00.png).
Obviously, Nomad isn't obligated to do anything, I don't think he should keep his moderator status though. Although, again, that is a decision for DPR not me.
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everyone here saying that usd should "quit whining" should seriously fuck off.
Not really, these topics are really just an eyesore as they tend to turn into a shitstorm of nothing. I'd prefer if they dealt with this matter more privately rather than adding to the chaos that is the Rumor Mill at this point in time. So no matter how this ends up going down, it's still not going to effect me either way. So I feel as though I have the right to 'whine' thank you very much. ;)
If you feel this is an eyesore and not worthy of being in the rumor mill, then by all means GTFO, no one is forcing you to read the thread. However, I find it ironic that you are one of the most involved posters in this thread, even though you feel it is unworthy of public discourse.
At any rate, I feel this issue could be easily resolved by DPR stepping up and providing the refunds and the like to all USD's customers who have been affected by this situation. It is simply good business. A person whom DPR felt confident enough in to name a Mod on this forum ended up, somehow (through theft, fraud, or accident) with money that looks to have been diverted from its rightful owner, USD.
Given that DPR taxes all vendors, and it looks as if someone he trusted and gave privileges to (Nomad) ended up with a vendors money, then DPR should take those tax revenues and provide refunds to all the customers, and probably to USD as well. I am not saying that Nomad is a thief, however, the cat is out of the bag, and it is looking bad for SR because there has been some supporting evidence to that claim. At a minimum DPR has stated in a PM to USD that he is of the opinion that Nomad ended up with USD's money and Nomad has yet to return it. That in and of its self is a form of theft, if true. In fact, if this could be taken into a court of law in the United States, DPR/SR would likely be libel to USD under agency laws.
DPR/SR is the entity in the best position to make everyone whole. I think he should.
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Yeah, but that's way after the fact. Initially, Nomad had no idea where they came from and no reason to suspect that there was something wrong with the donation. And in the end, he's not obligated in the least to give them back. We don't know the truth of USD's claims. Block chain just tells you where it came from. But not who sent it. We have no reason to believe it wasn't USD himself who did it.
That DPR suggested he (Nomad) give the coins back might have came before DPR learned that Nomad might have spent it. But it's just a suggestion. Anyone can suggest it. DPR's suggestion holds no more or less weight than anyone here in regards to this matter. He may want Nomad to take one for the team to try to restore faith in SR. But really, no faith needs to be restored in SR. What needs to be learned is to not finalize early for anyone. Especially if you are an established buyer. But in this case, even escrow didn't help since the seller likely moved the money out of his account and sent it to a mod in order to give a "stringer" narrative to conceal his attempted scam.
Coming at Nomad at this stage smacks of deflection from the real issue. I know, people are desperate to start to believe in vendors again after all the 4/20 drama, that some want to take USD at his word. But it just doesn't add up. And if it does add up in the end, USD would simply look highly incompetent. There is no win for that sort of incompetence. and that sort of incompetence deserves a life lesson, IMO.
Should Nomad lose his Mod status? For accepting anonymous coins as a donation? Really? Yeah, I don't know about that. I wouldn't vote for it. He may have spent it. Should he now be out of BTC based on unsubstantiated claims of an account hack at such a convenient time? I don't think so. But opinions vary.
As for DPR/SR make everyone whole... are you kidding? You finalize early, you lose, too bad. Really. As for those who are in escrow and stand to lose money because of a vendor's shear incompetence (or failed scam), well, there might be something to that. Losing faith in the escrow system would be a serious issue that warrants attention. But if that is the case, the vendor should be penalized severely for failing to maintain a modicum of security. Even some of the vendor's $150 deposit could be used to only make those in escrow whole.
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why on earth should dpr pay it back, you tell me how does someone get thier password and their pin hacked? its not really possible especially with the load times on silkroad you cant just bruteforce it. dude clearly either faked the hack which is most likely or he has a keylogger which is unlikely because someone who hacked with a keylogger wouldnt send any bitcoins to nomad. its most likely by a huge margin that he faked the hack and was going to blame nomad for it, but silkroaders not being totally retarded and USD being retarded he didnt realize people would check the block chain and find out he only sent a small amount to nomad. Now that we know he only sent a small amount to nomad he has no other explanation for where the other funds went because he stole them himself. he tried to frame nomad and failed. noone should pay for that but him. THERE IS NO WAY HIS PASSWORD AND PIN WERE HACKED PERIOD. pins were put in for a reason and i have not seen one valid example of someone being hacked since. He has to have faked this whole thing. there is just no other way.
fact is he claimed nomad got all the funds, for 3 days he refused to show any proof, after he got called scammer for 3 days he showed proof which showed nomad only got a small percentage of the money. he lied for those 3 days and was surprised when people realized nomad only got a small amount. he tried to set up nomad saying he took all the funds, but the block chain showed him a liar. thats all there is to it, hes a scammer who thought he was smart but was not. thats all.
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If the funds came into my btc wallet, I wouldn't initially think to look at where it came from and the transaction would say "received with: <address>. But I don't label my addresses in use and what they are for so I actually would not know where it came from. And more than likely I'd spend it too.
If this was a police matter, it would be "Receiving the profits from crime" e.g. Stolen property, but this is drug dealing FFS, you can't go crying off to the cops when shit goes down during a deal.
You want your analogy, You meet a dealer on a street corner to complete a trade, you give him the money and he crosses the road to get you the shit from his stash house. On his way back some bikies roll up and beat the shit out of him and take your money and the drugs he had. Now do you run after the bikies demanding you money or the drugs or do you count yourself lucky that the dudes didn't place you with the dealer and fuck you over too.
This ain't kindergarten kids!
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This thread is making me feel like Jesus in the fucking wilderness lol.
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why on earth should dpr pay it back, you tell me how does someone get thier password and their pin hacked? its not really possible especially with the load times on silkroad you cant just bruteforce it. dude clearly either faked the hack which is most likely or he has a keylogger which is unlikely because someone who hacked with a keylogger wouldnt send any bitcoins to nomad. its most likely by a huge margin that he faked the hack and was going to blame nomad for it, but silkroaders not being totally retarded and USD being retarded he didnt realize people would check the block chain and find out he only sent a small amount to nomad. Now that we know he only sent a small amount to nomad he has no other explanation for where the other funds went because he stole them himself. he tried to frame nomad and failed. noone should pay for that but him. THERE IS NO WAY HIS PASSWORD AND PIN WERE HACKED PERIOD. pins were put in for a reason and i have not seen one valid example of someone being hacked since. He has to have faked this whole thing. there is just no other way.
fact is he claimed nomad got all the funds, for 3 days he refused to show any proof, after he got called scammer for 3 days he showed proof which showed nomad only got a small percentage of the money. he lied for those 3 days and was surprised when people realized nomad only got a small amount. he tried to set up nomad saying he took all the funds, but the block chain showed him a liar. thats all there is to it, hes a scammer who thought he was smart but was not. thats all.
QFT! Seriously if you couldn't smell the BS from a mile away then you have to update your scam radar. If he really did get hacked then how come other vendors didn't? I seriously doubt he got keylogged as well unless he's the most retarded vendor in the world and downloaded the "freebtcgenerator.exe" He failed miserably to try and frame nomad so much that nomad didn't even have to defend himself, that's how lame the attempt was. Tony scammed everyone like a boss and USD tried to do the same but he tried to go out looking innocent and instead made an ass out of himself.
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This bothered me first:
update:04/23 Ok so it's taking me a little longer to process all the LSD 420 sale than I expected. The sheets where freshly dipped around Sunday morning and put in a dark room with no air movement to dry out for 24 hours. Today, Monday, they started getting cut up and started preparing packages. So nothing was sent out today and won't be until tomorrow. I received around 150 orders in 24 hours with having to answer emails, preparing things, and still try to stay sane from not sleeping over 24 hours because of all the work I've had to do in a short amount of time the orders where delayed. The first packages will start to be sent out tomorrow Tuesday morning. Since I got around 150 orders to process priority for shipping will go to the largest orders first, those who FE and the large orders from escrow. It will go in that order. I have received many emails as to why it's still in processing and it's because they haven't shipped. Be patient because the majority of those emails are from people in escrow. So don't worry as long as you stay in escrow until you receive than you are protected. Anyways first shipments start tomorrow and will go from there. If you have any questions as to your order, email me and I can update you.
yea according to this my order should of been one of the 1st out (large escrow order), LONG BEFORe usd ever knew about a hack, or even long before the hack even supposably happened, for that matter. put IN TRANSIT w/in 24 hrs of that update on usds profile that nomad pasted... looks like his reships are arriving in 3 days now... so my shit should of been in my hands BEFORE this hack EVEN HAPPENED if usds claims are belivable. so i can only conclude that usd DID NOT mail my shit even AFTER HE MARKED IN TRANSIT LONG BEFORE THIS FUCKING HACK. i have yet to read any explanation from usd for why this happened, he dodges the question. EVERY FUCKING TIME it comes up. fishy as hell. i got refunded b/c i was in escrow but that doesnt change how fucking sketch this is, honestly it looks like me and everyone in escrow was a decoy to scam from fe buyers, theres no explanation for why my pack would not be mailed or arrive if you take usd at his word, he obv cant go get a package out of the mail system if he already sent it out, so idk what else were supposed to think here...
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FU*K ALL YOU HATERS!!! I HAVE DONATED OVER 3K to our mods and site!!! Yeah!! Lowlife scum that never gave a dime, putting in there 2 cents talking bad about nomad. nomad is in the clear on this one. I would think that it was a donation too. A real well deserved donation for all he does in our community.
I've never received a donation larger than maybe 100 - 150, and that's one specific donation. Generally they are 2 - 20 dollars. Total donated funds to this day is maybe ~800 and that''s after nearly a year of modding.
I'm not going to take sides. This sitatution's a mess. Here's what stand out -
1. Vendor claims shit was sent nothing shows. - SCAMMER
2. Vendor makes giant fuss on the forum about modding stealing Tens of THOUSANDS of dollars that ends up being ~1000
3. No ones getting there orders. If he just never shipped why not just ship and settle the debt?
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4. Nomad gets a giant donation, he usually thanks the forum publicly, never does.
Actual proof that non subjective - dude claims package sent, none arrive, claims large amounts stolen, lied continually about amounts, and hasn't paid nor fulfilled a dime's worth of stuff.
Nomad has spent / isn't paying back anything.
Shitty situation for all involved. USdirect seems to obviously be scammer, just trying to drag people out.
~Digi
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One of three possibilities:
1) USD shared not only his password, but also his PIN, I don't think he would be that stupid, but it resulted in him getting hacked and robbed. His Fault, if this is the scenario.
2) This is his attempt to explain some sort of scam he was attempting to do. I cant speak to this one, I don't know USD and have not dealt with him.
3) Someone with "inside knowledge" hacked USD's account. This would have to be DPR or a Mod. I know DPR says that the info isn't available, but hell, we have no way of knowing that to be true or untrue.
Since option number 3 is a very serious one for SR, and the total amount of money displaced, I just feel that it is good customer service and good business sense to at a minimum reimburse the customers in some way for the loss, especially since the coins ended up in a mod's account. Someone stole some cookies, no ones had was found in the cookie jar, but a mod has crumbs on his mouth. It just looks really bad.
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yea according to this my order should of been one of the 1st out (large escrow order), LONG BEFORe usd ever knew about a hack, or even long before the hack even supposably happened, for that matter. put IN TRANSIT w/in 24 hrs of that update on usds profile that nomad pasted... looks like his reships are arriving in 3 days now... so my shit should of been in my hands BEFORE this hack EVEN HAPPENED if usds claims are belivable. so i can only conclude that usd DID NOT mail my shit even AFTER HE MARKED IN TRANSIT LONG BEFORE THIS FUCKING HACK. i have yet to read any explanation from usd for why this happened, he dodges the question. EVERY FUCKING TIME it comes up. fishy as hell. i got refunded b/c i was in escrow but that doesnt change how fucking sketch this is, honestly it looks like me and everyone in escrow was a decoy to scam from fe buyers, theres no explanation for why my pack would not be mailed or arrive if you take usd at his word, he obv cant go get a package out of the mail system if he already sent it out, so idk what else were supposed to think here...
im in the same boat as you.. my order was supposed to have been done a few days before this hack, and my shit was marked in transit and was asked if i wanted the DCN# so that i can see when it would be delivered.. then i made the mistake of Finalizing Early.. damn, i guess i learned my lesson with FE..
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You want your analogy, You meet a dealer on a street corner to complete a trade, you give him the money and he crosses the road to get you the shit from his stash house. On his way back some bikies roll up and beat the shit out of him and take your money and the drugs he had. Now do you run after the bikies demanding you money or the drugs or do you count yourself lucky that the dudes didn't place you with the dealer and fuck you over too.
This ain't kindergarten kids!
LOL. Well, no that doesn't quite capture the situation either. Allow me to try my hand at an analogy. Indulge me for a second...
This is like a vendor who takes on more orders than he can fill, either because his supplier skipped out on him or he just didn't properly anticipate the demand. He subsequently panics and hatches a hair brained scheme as an exit strategy. He says to himself," Eureka! I'll just send some BTC to... YES! A moderator. Then accuse him of hacking my account! Sweet Mary in a skirt on a bike in July! That's brilliant! And with all the Tony76 fiasco, they'll believe that SR is going down and has lost all integrity. Oh man, thank you God for this plan. I'm saved! Oh Amazing grace."
Ok that might have been a bit over the top. But I think it captures the essence, no?
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You want your analogy, You meet a dealer on a street corner to complete a trade, you give him the money and he crosses the road to get you the shit from his stash house. On his way back some bikies roll up and beat the shit out of him and take your money and the drugs he had. Now do you run after the bikies demanding you money or the drugs or do you count yourself lucky that the dudes didn't place you with the dealer and fuck you over too.
This ain't kindergarten kids!
LOL. Well, no that doesn't quite capture the situation either. Allow me to try my hand at an analogy. Indulge me for a second...
This is like a vendor who takes on more orders than he can fill, either because his supplier skipped out on him or he just didn't properly anticipate the demand. He subsequently panics and hatches a hair brained scheme as an exit strategy. He says to himself," Eureka! I'll just send some BTC to... YES! A moderator. Then accuse him of hacking my account! Sweet Mary in a skirt on a bike in July! That's brilliant! And with all the Tony76 fiasco, they'll believe that SR is going down and has lost all integrity. Oh man, thank you God for this plan. I'm saved! Oh Amazing grace."
Ok that might have been a bit over the top. But I think it captures the essence, no?
I think that's exactly what happened. It would have been too much work for him to admit his mistake/shortcomings so he took the easy way out and cried scam.
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FU*K ALL YOU HATERS!!! I HAVE DONATED OVER 3K to our mods and site!!! Yeah!! Lowlife scum that never gave a dime, putting in there 2 cents talking bad about nomad. nomad is in the clear on this one. I would think that it was a donation too. A real well deserved donation for all he does in our community.
I've never received a donation larger than maybe 100 - 150, and that's one specific donation. Generally they are 2 - 20 dollars. Total donated funds to this day is maybe ~800 and that''s after nearly a year of modding.
I'm not going to take sides. This sitatution's a mess. Here's what stand out -
1. Vendor claims shit was sent nothing shows. - SCAMMER
2. Vendor makes giant fuss on the forum about modding stealing Tens of THOUSANDS of dollars that ends up being ~1000
3. No ones getting there orders. If he just never shipped why not just ship and settle the debt?
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4. Nomad gets a giant donation, he usually thanks the forum publicly, never does.
5. Nomad deletes original thread
Actual proof that non subjective - dude claims package sent, none arrive, claims large amounts stolen, lied continually about amounts, and hasn't paid nor fulfilled a dime's worth of stuff.
Nomad has spent / isn't paying back anything.
Shitty situation for all involved. USdirect seems to obviously be scammer, just trying to drag people out.
~Digi
Now I don't want to sound like I'm stirring the pot here. BUT as I am British, and I am therefore descended from Sherlock Holmes and having examined a the points summarized by Digi here and having followed the threads on this clusterfuck from the beginning and examining the evidence there + taking inconsistencies in USD's story I have come to the conclusion that....
1. The above is a very long sentence
2. You have to be more fucking naive than Bambi when he thought the strange looking 2 legged creatures with the long metal barreled things walking around in the woods were there for a friendly chat.
And we all know what happened to Bambi's Ma....the daft bitch got murked....
Something for those who are holding out hope to think on there.
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One of three possibilities:
1) USD shared not only his password, but also his PIN, I don't think he would be that stupid, but it resulted in him getting hacked and robbed. His Fault, if this is the scenario.
2) This is his attempt to explain some sort of scam he was attempting to do. I cant speak to this one, I don't know USD and have not dealt with him.
3) Someone with "inside knowledge" hacked USD's account. This would have to be DPR or a Mod. I know DPR says that the info isn't available, but hell, we have no way of knowing that to be true or untrue.
Since option number 3 is a very serious one for SR, and the total amount of money displaced, I just feel that it is good customer service and good business sense to at a minimum reimburse the customers in some way for the loss, especially since the coins ended up in a mod's account. Someone stole some cookies, no ones had was found in the cookie jar, but a mod has crumbs on his mouth. It just looks really bad.
it looks bad, and it sucks balls for all those who ordered and FE..... USD was bitching a few days ago about him being fucked over for thousands of dollars by Mt Gox.. then this happens.. it just smells to fucking hell....
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One of three possibilities:
1) USD shared not only his password, but also his PIN, I don't think he would be that stupid, but it resulted in him getting hacked and robbed. His Fault, if this is the scenario.
2) This is his attempt to explain some sort of scam he was attempting to do. I cant speak to this one, I don't know USD and have not dealt with him.
3) Someone with "inside knowledge" hacked USD's account. This would have to be DPR or a Mod. I know DPR says that the info isn't available, but hell, we have no way of knowing that to be true or untrue.
Since option number 3 is a very serious one for SR, and the total amount of money displaced, I just feel that it is good customer service and good business sense to at a minimum reimburse the customers in some way for the loss, especially since the coins ended up in a mod's account. Someone stole some cookies, no ones had was found in the cookie jar, but a mod has crumbs on his mouth. It just looks really bad.
another possibility:
4) He wasn't hacked, DPR intentionally sent USD's bitcoins to forum moderators as punishment for breaking the out-of-escrow rule. (and nomad is innocent).
Conversation USD posted at http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=21775.msg227416#msg227416 :
Dread Pirate Roberts re: problems
"you are directing your customers to email you for bulk orders" that was on your user page, you need to take that down if you haven't already.
THEREALUSdirect(88) re: problems
Yes because most don't know how to use PgP and tormail is safer than SR email IMO! so is that what you mean? I didn't know that broke the rules but I will review the sellers guide. I want to know what about all the coins in nomads address? is he going to give them back to my customers, this is a more important issue than you not getting a commission fee... sounds too me you care more about your money first than others, when it should be a balanced equal market
USD should post this full conversation. If SR is indeed confiscating bitcoins for breaking rules, I want to hear about it! I have a bunch of other reasons to think this is the case.
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I am British, and I am therefore descended from Sherlock Holmes
+1
That sir, is part of why you make a good mod.
~Digi
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Things I think you need to think logically and realistically here because what you said doesn't wash.
Why the fuck would DPR swizz USD for a poxy G-note with the amount he makes from the fees from SR? It's not worth his time or effort when he already has the goose that laid the golden egg. Wake up and smell the bacon.
You need to change your detergent son, coz the one you are using isn't making my shirts pearly white.
Sorry USD, I tried to give you the benefit of the doubt but it's quite clear you are just running a very badly done scam. If people want to cling on for dear life to your bullshit words, which I totally understand they would instinctively do because you have their cheddar, that's their issue. I'm afraid to say though, that it's quite obvious, in fact it's so painfully obvious that someone may as well be pulling my finger nails out that you are actually just a selectively thieving slag.
People who are giving USD the benefit of the doubt need to just wake the fuck up. This whole thing has gone on too long and it's going nowhere fast.
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And we all know what happened to Bambi's Ma....the daft bitch got murked....
This shit had me rolling for a minute. Thanks Limetless, reading through these forums full of all kinds of bullshit and wild speculation has been made a lot more entertaining by people like you with a sense of humor. +1 for you sir.
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One thing stands out..
orders that were said to be shipped before the hack took place.. were not..
Read that again
Orders that were said to be shipped before the hack took place, were not..
Doesn't that say it all?
USD is this true or not true?
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Haha thanks Photon, it's just my way of making light of a FUBAR situation.
Oh and to those that think I'm being harsh here, I don't care. As I said it's gone on to long and someone, anyone, anyone in the world NEEDS to call this shit for what it is. SSSS - Shitty Selective Scam Shenanigans.
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The thing that bothers me isn't what USD did or didn't do - it's what Nomad did. Even if USD is a pos scammer, and intentionally sent Nomad his customers bitcoin to try to have an escape route, that money wasn't Nomad's to spend, and as a Moderator of this forum, he should have used better judgement - after all, isn't that his job here - judgement?
I think it was poor judgement on his part, period.
I have no horse in this race - no current order w/ USD. Just my opinion, and like assholes, everyone has one.
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The thing that bothers me isn't what USD did or didn't do - it's what Nomad did. Even if USD is a pos scammer, and intentionally sent Nomad his customers bitcoin to try to have an escape route, that money wasn't Nomad's to spend, and as a Moderator of this forum, he should have used better judgement - after all, isn't that his job here - judgement?
I think it was poor judgement on his part, period.
I have no horse in this race - no current order w/ USD. Just my opinion, and like assholes, everyone has one.
Answer this honestly -
If someone gave you money would you wait to spend it just in case someone else came out of the blue and claim said money was stolen from them?
Honestly, would you do that? Would it actually occur to you to do this?
Edit - Just an afterthought, but don't you think USD actually knew Nomad would spend it straight away? Like anyone would? Don't you think he probably did that because if he spent it straight away it would make him look even more sketchy? Fuck if anyone wanted to donate me a G-note I know for a fact I'd be coked off my tits in about 5 minutes after it landed. I'd be coked off my tits and having some Thai hooker sucking me off because that is what anyone does with a free G-note.
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One thing stands out..
orders that were said to be shipped before the hack took place.. were not..
Read that again
Orders that were said to be shipped before the hack took place, were not..
Doesn't that say it all?
USD is this true or not true?
THIS. this this this this this this this this this this this this this.
we still have NO explanation. usd dodged it EVERY TIME it came up in 50+ thread pages. over a week and 3 or 4 different threads he didnt answer this ONCE. every time somebody brought it up he either ignored it or said to email him on some new tormail with a new key...yea right...all i want to know is WHY MY ORDER PUT IN TRANSIT LONG BEFORE THE HACK WAS NOT SHIPPED. his silence about this says it all imho.
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If I came on SR and my account went from 500 to 1500 overnight, AND I WAS A MODERATOR ON SR, I would investigate where that money came from, yes. To be perfectly honest, I don't know how I would react as a non-moderator. I haven't been put into that situation, so who knows.
I think that is what bothers me is just the fact the guy is a Moderator, and this is a small, albeit growing community. Its not like a bank error that goes in your favor - this is some average joe's cash, you know. It just doesn't sit right with me.
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Limetless - you know what - after reading your "edit" - hindsight is 20/20. I guess if I were in Nomad's shoes I don't know what I would do. But like DigiArch said, that is a really large donation - I still think it would raise my red flags, ya know. Even LE sending it to track, or whatever, I'd just be suspicious of it I think...
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One thing stands out..
orders that were said to be shipped before the hack took place.. were not..
Read that again
Orders that were said to be shipped before the hack took place, were not..
Doesn't that say it all?
USD is this true or not true?
THIS. this this this this this this this this this this this this this.
we still have NO explanation. usd dodged it EVERY TIME it came up in 50+ thread pages. over a week and 3 or 4 different threads he didnt answer this ONCE. every time somebody brought it up he either ignored it or said to email him on some new tormail with a new key...yea right...all i want to know is WHY MY ORDER PUT IN TRANSIT LONG BEFORE THE HACK WAS NOT SHIPPED. his silence about this says it all imho.
agreed. has anyone who FE gotten a refund or a reship? or even any e-mails in the past few days? i was told to ask nomad for my money. I think everyone who ordered and FE is getting fucked. But if you FE and got a reship or a refund speak up.
i ordered 12 grams coke, and im pretty sure all the people who had coke orders got the shaft, even though our orders were marked in transit. Something that USD always seems to avoid.
at this point getting anything would be awesome.
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Well, all I know is that next time someone wants to scam their customers, feel free to use me as the person to whom you send all your money.
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Recap time.
Consider:
1. Bambi's mum was a daft bitch that got murked. (See Limetless's post for further details if you're not yet convinced.)
2. A Level 3 SSSS (shitty selective scamming shenanigan) took place. (Again, see Limetless's post for a break down.)
3. Nomad doesn't owe anyone a damn thing. If you believe USD's hacking story, then you must by default also believe that SR was created by and is run by the DEA. No exceptions.
4. Goddamn it. USD has been exposed. Embrace your loss. Own that shit. It's your loss. But it's also all of our loss because when a SSSS steals from one, they steal from all. They get NO benefit of the doubt. The burden of proof is on the SSSS. Not Nomad, not DPR.
5. DPR = good people. Nomad Bloodbath = good people. USD =/=* good people.
*=/= ... does not equal
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If I came on SR and my account went from 500 to 1500 overnight, AND I WAS A MODERATOR ON SR, I would investigate where that money came from, yes. To be perfectly honest, I don't know how I would react as a non-moderator. I haven't been put into that situation, so who knows.
I think that is what bothers me is just the fact the guy is a Moderator, and this is a small, albeit growing community. Its not like a bank error that goes in your favor - this is some average joe's cash, you know. It just doesn't sit right with me.
I think you are just saying that retrospectively there. As you say you have never been in that situation.
It doesn't mean shit that he is a Mod, in fact all it does mean is that he is more wide-open to be targeted by USD to be used as is stool-pigeon.
I mean Christ USD "got hacked" previously if I read correctly. Since when did once bitten twice shy go out of fashion? Maybe we should just fuck it all and go to "Three times and I may as well get lobotomized" just to make sure 100% sure that USD is the total bastard that he obviously is.
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If I came on SR and my account went from 500 to 1500 overnight, AND I WAS A MODERATOR ON SR, I would investigate where that money came from, yes. To be perfectly honest, I don't know how I would react as a non-moderator. I haven't been put into that situation, so who knows.
I think that is what bothers me is just the fact the guy is a Moderator, and this is a small, albeit growing community. Its not like a bank error that goes in your favor - this is some average joe's cash, you know. It just doesn't sit right with me.
I think you are just saying that retrospectively there. As you say you have never been in that situation.
It doesn't mean shit that he is a Mod, in fact all it does mean is that he is more wide-open to be targeted by USD to be used as is stool-pigeon.
I mean Christ USD "got hacked" previously if I read correctly. Since when did once bitten twice shy go out of fashion? Maybe we should just fuck it all and go to "Three times and I may as well get lobotomized" just to make sure 100% sure that USD is the total bastard that he obviously is.
Like I said above man, your probably right, hindsight is 20/20. I've never doubted USD was up to something - that wasn't my argument, I was just saying the money shouldn't have been spent, which with hindsight, is pretty obvious. Initially, I thought Nomad did it maliciously (spent the money before it had to be paid back), but after thinking about it, and reading your post, you are probably right, and I'm probably wrong.
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If I came on SR and my account went from 500 to 1500 overnight, AND I WAS A MODERATOR ON SR, I would investigate where that money came from, yes. To be perfectly honest, I don't know how I would react as a non-moderator. I haven't been put into that situation, so who knows.
I think that is what bothers me is just the fact the guy is a Moderator, and this is a small, albeit growing community. Its not like a bank error that goes in your favor - this is some average joe's cash, you know. It just doesn't sit right with me.
I think you are just saying that retrospectively there. As you say you have never been in that situation.
It doesn't mean shit that he is a Mod, in fact all it does mean is that he is more wide-open to be targeted by USD to be used as is stool-pigeon.
I mean Christ USD "got hacked" previously if I read correctly. Since when did once bitten twice shy go out of fashion? Maybe we should just fuck it all and go to "Three times and I may as well get lobotomized" just to make sure 100% sure that USD is the total bastard that he obviously is.
Like I said above man, your probably right, hindsight is 20/20. I've never doubted USD was up to something - that wasn't my argument, I was just saying the money shouldn't have been spent, which with hindsight, is pretty obvious. Initially, I thought Nomad did it maliciously (spent the money before it had to be paid back), but after thinking about it, and reading your post, you are probably right, and I'm probably wrong.
Why would he payback a scammer? If anything he should payback the buyers who are the real victims here but there's no way of knowing who that money belongs to so the only thing left is to keep it and I'm pretty sure we would all do the same thing if we were in his situation.
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LOL this circus just rolls on and on. Id given up on my coins days ago, ive gone from angry to just plain entertained. Fair play USdirect you keep my coins mate it's been a pleasure watching you dig yourself deeper and deeper. I can't understand why your still here though, you still think you can save face?
To the people still clinging to hope, just let it go and move on you'll feel better. Take confort in the fact that fuckers like him usually get whats coming to them sooner or later.
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Yeah I know mate, the bottom bit wasn't aimed at you it was just a rant in general that was semi addressed to those that are clinging on that ordered.
Oh and USD if you are reading this and I am genuinely wrong (which....I doubt) come on the thread and give a final full and frank explanation, refund EVERY LAST ONE of your clients that you fucked over for their cash or reship like you said and have them confirm it publicly. I'm willing to bet 20BTC that when you get back here all you will say is "Blah blah blah, bitch bitch bitch Nomad and DPR blah blah fucking blah" well you can shove that up your ass this time.
Go on, prove me the fuck wrong. I would LOVE for you to do that. Go on, make me look like an eccentric British wanker who is being unnecessarily harsh to you and has completely the wrong idea. I am awaiting the face-palm....which I wont get. If you do I will give you 20BTC (I know you probably need it for crack) and I will say sorry to you publicly on this thread and your other one.
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LOL this circus just rolls on and on. Id given up on my coins days ago, ive gone from angry to just plain entertained. Fair play USdirect you keep my coins mate it's been a pleasure watching you dig yourself deeper and deeper. I can't understand why your still here though, you still think you can save face?
To the people still clinging to hope, just let it go and move on you'll feel better. Take confort in the fact that fuckers like him usually get whats coming to them sooner or later.
or they just create a new vendor page, and start the process all over again... ehh, time will tell..
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I found over 1k in cash on the ground outside a gym once. The package was a binder full of orders for "bodybuilding supplements" or as we call them here, roids.
There were also tons of personal cheques, license plate tags and his drivers license.
YEAH I KEPT THAT SHIT.
I didn't cash the cheques, as that would lead folks to me... but I spent that shit on a BIG brick o' hash, and I still had cash left for my rent.
There's no way I would give that back. He fucked up, and he almost fucked his customers hardcore... if the cops had gotten his order book it'd be all over, as he was supplying folks with quite a bit of shit and had their full names and phone numbers in the book.
When you get hosed as a dealer, you don't pass it along to the customer who is innocent in the transaction.
It sucks you were perhaps keylogged, but asking customers to go to Nomad and do your work for you is just low.
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4. Nomad gets a giant donation, he usually thanks the forum publicly, never does.
5. Nomad deletes original thread
~Digi
DA wow why didn't you PM me theses questions to get the answers before posting them?
It's quite simple on both parts.
1. I noticed the donations around 5:45pm on a Friday night, everyone knows I take the weekends off to spend time with my girlfriend, she was arriving at between 5:30 and 6:00PM and I was in a rush to get everything squared away before my girlfriend got here not only does she not like like it when I ignore her being on the computer she hates that I even come on the site as she is anti drug.. So when she showed up I finished what I was doing and logged off SRM and Tor, I wasnt even logged into the forums. I was planning to do it Sunday night or Monday but guess what after I had went out and had a nice evening with my gf and gone to bed I get a phone a call at midnight that the original accusing thread was on the forums so I hopped out of bed and logged in and made a post in my defense. If you would like the members name plx ask me via PM so that I don't expose her to the entire forum..no need for anyone else to be thrown into the witch hunt.
Who was I suppose to thank when I new it was a scam after all that.
2. Are you referring to this thread being deleted? I've not deleted a thread in weeks and would be absolutely crazy to give any credit to USD to further his cause. Do I seem like I'm paranoid about this guys stories there are holes in it everywhere.
I have screenshits from DPR as well were I told DPR about the BTC donations right away and asked his opinion about this situation it is true DPR said that "it appears" someone hacked his account and that the right thing might be to return the coins, but what USD didn't know is the first thing DPR said to me is it was up to me as what I wanted to do with the bitcoins.
I replied " I think it's a scam" because you DA as well as a couple other I spot scammers and rule breaks and report them on a weekly basis and I could smell the scam I've observing these types of scams on SR for a year, I have an eye for them esp., when I'm accused of being apart of one.
Like Limetless said on page one he never saw the "original" thread.
Doesnt the recycle been hold the deleted threads in case to replace them?
IS there even an original thread?
I'll be going thru the recycle bin for the next hour to see.
DA I know we have grow a bit distant since your medical issues earlier this year and last but i've had my own as well this year.
Did someone tell you I deleted the thread or did you find that I deleted a thread.
Isn't it clear this guy is a liar and cheat?
I refuse to reply more in this post, because getting hot tempered.
:(
nomad
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Like Limetless said on page one he never saw the "original" thread.
Doesnt the recycle been hold the deleted threads in case to replace them?
Actually, saying that yeah. I didn't see any other thread like this and to be fair I'm on here all day most days anyway (no it isn't sad....I just work online and this place is like a second office, no sad Limetless comments please) and given how close I've been following this utter fuck-storm I can't see I'd have missed it.
I'm gunna go and have a rummage around for this phantom deleted thread....it's 5.57am....I have fuck all else to do.
Edit - Can't even find the recycle bin. Either I don't have access or I'm just too tired to function.
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so correct me if im wrong...
Nomad received Xamount of BTC as a donation. It is clear that it was from USD? Usd states he didnt send nomad any Xamount of BTC.
Everyone that had orders with USD that were in escrow got refund/reship.
everyone that FE didnt get refund/reship.
the problem being USD comes out blaming nomad for stealing the X amount of BTC out of his account.
Nomad Spent the BTC without question.
now USD expects Nomad to give back Xamount of BTC to his buyers who got fucked. not asking for it back
nomad says no... USD throws a fit because Its clear the Xamount of BTC went to Nomad and nomad wont give it back to USD customers
so essentially BTC left USD's account went to Nomad, he spent it, USD wants Nomad to give back BTC To his customers?
how can anyone call USD a scammer if all he wants is Nomad to give back the BTC to his customers? am i wrong here?
i mean i got fucked out of $430. so i have a say in this essentially. if this is the basis of this then fine, it does not excuse USD for ignoring e-mails and not answering the fact that he had product in transit long before the hack happened and clearly they were not shipped. this is really the only thing anyone can point to that cant question USD's authenticity... we can all agree that this is something that needs to be addressed. but are these not two different issues? or are they all in the same? im sure many vendors mark things in transit before they ship just because they know its going to be shipped the next day or two so no big deal... but i think USD's ignorance caught up to him and he thought he could handle all the orders and then the "hack" happened and he put a stop to all orders until he figured out what happened.
bottom line is some how BTC was sent to Nomad. Nomad Spent it. USD wants it sent back to his customers, NOT HIM.
and in the middle of all this bullshit there are honest buyers waiting around for some kind of resolution.
everyone can say what they want piss and moan and whine about SR and the way it operates but in the end there are many buyers that got fucked out of a lot of money... and no one is addressing this. I understand that its a illegal thing and you risk your money and if you FE you really risk everything, but no one deserves to get screwed here. this site is a beautiful thing. and if this is the kind of bullshit that is going to go down here all its going to do is push people away.... we really have a good thing going here.... lets not ruin it. lets make it right. dont be an asshole just to be an asshole. fix this.
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They are obviously working on it. I think they should close this thread, as too many people are just muddying the waters, taking sides, and throwing insults around. There are some good people here, been on here for some time, who spend a lot of time keeping this site rolling, and they don't need to have to be constantly defending themselves against every new allegation.
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so correct me if im wrong...
Nomad received Xamount of BTC as a donation. It is clear that it was from USD? Usd states he didnt send nomad any Xamount of BTC.
Everyone that had orders with USD that were in escrow got refund/reship.
everyone that FE didnt get refund/reship.
the problem being USD comes out blaming nomad for stealing the X amount of BTC out of his account.
Nomad Spent the BTC without question.
now USD expects Nomad to give back Xamount of BTC to his buyers who got fucked. not asking for it back
nomad says no... USD throws a fit because Its clear the Xamount of BTC went to Nomad and nomad wont give it back to USD customers
so essentially BTC left USD's account went to Nomad, he spent it, USD wants Nomad to give back BTC To his customers?
how can anyone call USD a scammer if all he wants is Nomad to give back the BTC to his customers? am i wrong here?
i mean i got fucked out of $430. so i have a say in this essentially. if this is the basis of this then fine, it does not excuse USD for ignoring e-mails and not answering the fact that he had product in transit long before the hack happened and clearly they were not shipped. this is really the only thing anyone can point to that cant question USD's authenticity... we can all agree that this is something that needs to be addressed. but are these not two different issues? or are they all in the same? im sure many vendors mark things in transit before they ship just because they know its going to be shipped the next day or two so no big deal... but i think USD's ignorance caught up to him and he thought he could handle all the orders and then the "hack" happened and he put a stop to all orders until he figured out what happened.
bottom line is some how BTC was sent to Nomad. Nomad Spent it. USD wants it sent back to his customers, NOT HIM.
and in the middle of all this bullshit there are honest buyers waiting around for some kind of resolution.
everyone can say what they want piss and moan and whine about SR and the way it operates but in the end there are many buyers that got fucked out of a lot of money... and no one is addressing this. I understand that its a illegal thing and you risk your money and if you FE you really risk everything, but no one deserves to get screwed here. this site is a beautiful thing. and if this is the kind of bullshit that is going to go down here all its going to do is push people away.... we really have a good thing going here.... lets not ruin it. lets make it right. dont be an asshole just to be an asshole. fix this.
And this is why I suggested that DPR refund the buyers with SR tax revenue. It is clear one of SR's mods ended up with the money. That is an unjust enrichment to him at SR customers expense. This should not be. DPR, you take in enough tax revenue, give it back to the people, the people who have had it lost to one of your underlings.
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In three weeks your supposed "shipped" sale products have not arrived yet in three days your reships do?
hmmm
"Something fishy here"
nomad
you moron you obviously haven't ready my feed back. I'm actually paying people out of my pocket becaus of your new coins.... quite try to put the blame on me and answer if your going to refund my customers?quite dancing around that issue, answer me that and I'll answer you anything....
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so correct me if im wrong...
Nomad received Xamount of BTC as a donation. It is clear that it was from USD? Usd states he didnt send nomad any Xamount of BTC.
Everyone that had orders with USD that were in escrow got refund/reship.
everyone that FE didnt get refund/reship.
the problem being USD comes out blaming nomad for stealing the X amount of BTC out of his account.
Nomad Spent the BTC without question.
now USD expects Nomad to give back Xamount of BTC to his buyers who got fucked. not asking for it back
nomad says no... USD throws a fit because Its clear the Xamount of BTC went to Nomad and nomad wont give it back to USD customers
so essentially BTC left USD's account went to Nomad, he spent it, USD wants Nomad to give back BTC To his customers?
how can anyone call USD a scammer if all he wants is Nomad to give back the BTC to his customers? am i wrong here?
i mean i got fucked out of $430. so i have a say in this essentially. if this is the basis of this then fine, it does not excuse USD for ignoring e-mails and not answering the fact that he had product in transit long before the hack happened and clearly they were not shipped. this is really the only thing anyone can point to that cant question USD's authenticity... we can all agree that this is something that needs to be addressed. but are these not two different issues? or are they all in the same? im sure many vendors mark things in transit before they ship just because they know its going to be shipped the next day or two so no big deal... but i think USD's ignorance caught up to him and he thought he could handle all the orders and then the "hack" happened and he put a stop to all orders until he figured out what happened.
bottom line is some how BTC was sent to Nomad. Nomad Spent it. USD wants it sent back to his customers, NOT HIM.
and in the middle of all this bullshit there are honest buyers waiting around for some kind of resolution.
everyone can say what they want piss and moan and whine about SR and the way it operates but in the end there are many buyers that got fucked out of a lot of money... and no one is addressing this. I understand that its a illegal thing and you risk your money and if you FE you really risk everything, but no one deserves to get screwed here. this site is a beautiful thing. and if this is the kind of bullshit that is going to go down here all its going to do is push people away.... we really have a good thing going here.... lets not ruin it. lets make it right. dont be an asshole just to be an asshole. fix this.
keep up with my threads I sent a bunch of large FE orders that arrived already but won't any more until he doeswhat me and DPR think is right, refund my clients!
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FU*K ALL YOU HATERS!!! I HAVE DONATED OVER 3K to our mods and site!!! Yeah!! Lowlife scum that never gave a dime, putting in there 2 cents talking bad about nomad. nomad is in the clear on this one. I would think that it was a donation too. A real well deserved donation for all he does in our community.
I've never received a donation larger than maybe 100 - 150, and that's one specific donation. Generally they are 2 - 20 dollars. Total donated funds to this day is maybe ~800 and that''s after nearly a year of modding.
I'm not going to take sides. This sitatution's a mess. Here's what stand out -
1. Vendor claims shit was sent nothing shows. - SCAMMER
2. Vendor makes giant fuss on the forum about modding stealing Tens of THOUSANDS of dollars that ends up being ~1000
3. No ones getting there orders. If he just never shipped why not just ship and settle the debt?
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4. Nomad gets a giant donation, he usually thanks the forum publicly, never does.
5. Nomad deletes original thread
Actual proof that non subjective - dude claims package sent, none arrive, claims large amounts stolen, lied continually about amounts, and hasn't paid nor fulfilled a dime's worth of stuff.
Nomad has spent / isn't paying back anything.
Shitty situation for all involved. USdirect seems to obviously be scammer, just trying to drag people out.
~Digi
honest scammer for sending people who FE early from this situation, check my feedback asshole!
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Nomad how could you :(
Even if you did spend the BC you should still pay it back to the fellas who lost em!!
Enjoy consuming all those drugs you have purchased. That was peoples hard earnt cash.
Damn man..... unbelievable ...... a mod?
My words may mean shit to you but I am a decent person and you sir should not be a mod
following these actions.
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agreed. has anyone who FE gotten a refund or a reship? or even any e-mails in the past few days? i was told to ask nomad for my money. I think everyone who ordered and FE is getting fucked. But if you FE and got a reship or a refund speak up.
i ordered 12 grams coke, and im pretty sure all the people who had coke orders got the shaft, even though our orders were marked in transit. Something that USD always seems to avoid.
at this point getting anything would be awesome.
I've had no emails since i mentioned the word reship funnily enough. That should be ship actually, reship implies something was sent in the first place.
So we're finally calling what taking people's money and saying you shipped when you hadn't what it is now, a scam? good
What happened to those coins over a week later is irrelevant.
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Meh, this is begging to irritate me.
USDirect you never messaged nomad. It's pretty obvious your just fucking everyone around. Fuck off. You want your recent feedback?
Half sheet of California LSD WoW 50 hits 4 of 5 FE. vendor offered reship, will update if reship happens. 1 hour ago edit
10 strip white blotter unperf 100ug 5 of 5 Order was cancelled... 3 hours ago edit
10 strip white blotter unperf 100ug 1 of 5 order canceled by seller 11 hours ago edit
10 strip white blotter unperf 100ug 3 of 5 Leave feedback here 23 hours ago edit
1/4 sheet 25 hit white unperfd blotter 100uf 5 of 5 Order cancelled by seller 1 day ago edit
10 strip white blotter unperf 100ug 4 of 5 I guess my order was canceled for some reason 1 day ago edit
10 strip white blotter unperf 100ug 3 of 5 3 because the seller is reputable and would offer a great product, but very little communication 3 days ago edit
1/4 sheet 25 hit white unperfd blotter 100uf 1 of 5 sigh...
Huh... well someone is not sending anything out. I'm voting we go ahead and ban the scammer and end this situation. It's obvious the nomad thing is just misdirection.
With how much you have canceled you should have PLENT of stock to make up you orders - unless your just a scammer. So quit making a fake accounts, man up, and quit fucking around because I'm going to keep disproving everything you post.
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Half sheet of California LSD WoW 50 hits 2 of 5 Ordered half a sheet on May 2nd. USD said in an email on may 5th he would be willing to re-ship, but I have not heard from him at all since that date. A simple update would even be nice. 9 days ago
washed cocaine 1 gram 1 of 5 Took my coins, after I FE.. and he never sent shit.. wont respond to any PM's... 9 days ago
good coke 1 gram 1 of 5 no product,no refund 9 days ago
full sheet of California WoW 100ug 1 of 5 FE new buyer, will update DO NOT BUY, he is a scamming thief! Check out the forums for the full story. AVIOD AVOID AVOID - 10 days ago
.500mg or half G good coke 1 of 5 Seller asked me to finalize early. I did and was told my order would be processed "and send out with a DCN# tomorrow."
That was 10 days ago. My message has not been replied to either and there is nothing SR can do now that the funds have been released to the seller. :/
Will update back to 5/5 if seller decides to refund me or work something out. 10 days ago
High quality MDA aka Sassafras 1 gram 1 of 5 good communication at first. after sending order info no word in over a week. no refund or info about if my order went out. I trust he will pull thru, will continue to update. would not recommend at this time;l 11 days ago
10 strip white blotter unperf 100ug 3 of 5 I sent a message out a few days ago and still have not heard back from the seller. I will update and change feedback once I either receive a message or my "stuff". 18 days ago edit
10 strip white blotter unperf 100ug 1 of 5 FE... shipment has not arrived. no response from seller. 18 days ago edit
Dude, check your feedback? That was the worst suggestion ever. This has been going since before you sent coins to nomad.
SCAMMER
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Personally I think that the money nomad has received should go to a fund for the people that were actually scammed/didnt receive product.
If USD is actually a scammer.. then it's a bit fucked up that an SR mod ends up with a chunk of cash, even if its through no fault of his own.. whilst the buyers are left at the wayside.
Nomad don't you think its fucked up that you ended up with a load of cash? Sure you didn't ask for it but you should give it back to the customers imo.
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Im a lurker who has nothing to do with any of this shit between vendors and mods, but......
If it means anything at all. I remember the first thread when USD claimed his account was hacked the first time. Nomad told him that the last person who bought from him was most likely the hacker. USD shut up and moved on.....Now USDs account was hacked again? and nomad is to blame? Sounds like a scam to me.
Im no vendor, but if i was ever hacked, I would shut that account down, trash my laptop, buy a new one, and start over again all the while taking every necessary precaution to ensure my and my customers anonymity was safe. Cmon its basic common sense here.
Its a crazy situation and I for one dont really know all the facts or what is really going on but its beyond fishy and my computer screen is starting to smell like rotten pussy.
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USD you haven't responded to me, I'm waiting.
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A lot of new info came to light in this thread. I'm glad a few mods stepped in just to share there point of view, that would of been great during the fucking Tony fiasco lol. This is just one more reason NOT TO FINALIZE EARLY! Under any circumstances. Ive only been a member for a little over a month and was luck all the shit I finalized was shipped no problems even from Tony before the scam. However after reading all these dif threads I'm lucky I made it unscathed. Maybe by a shit load of electronic goods for a few dollars hell wasting $30 is better than getting robbed hundreds. Sorry to the new guys who FE and got fucked.... Live and learn I guess. What can ya do.
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OK, I'm almost sober now, had a fun night last night, so excuse my rusty brain.
Is USD a scammer? I can't really say, but of course it looks fishy, and there's plenty of folks FE'ing for him and reporting no product arrival. The thing that doesn't make sense in that scenario, is why wouldn't he just fuck off and disappear like all the other scammers.
So if he was hacked, that sucks for all involved.
All the BTC were not sent to Nomad, only a portion.
Nomad has no way of knowing for certain which customers BTC wound up in USDs account, let alone the DPR donation address, it's just a number.
Ignoring my above suggestion that USD's trying to do the right thing, IF he is a scammer, why should Nomad give him back those coins - what's to say he will actually give those coins back to customers, or cashout and run?
Because of these FACTS, it would be impossible for Nomad to repay all of USDs customers who are in the lurch here, he doesn't have USDs client list, and he was never given enough BTC to cover those folks bad transactions.
USDs customers are HIS responsibility, and it's the customers responsibility to never finalize early here. This is the biggest point. DO NOT FINALIZE EARLY and then whine when you get nothing. When you go against the rules, you can't claim shit. That's why weed growers don't call cops when they get robbed - the cops will laugh in their face for being stupid.
As for whether or not Nomad should have spent those coins or not. We aren't living on sesame street here, and it's entirely conceivable that one of these SR gangsters would love Nomad so much they'd send him a large donation. From the receiving point of view, you would have NO WAY to trace those BTC back through the tumbler to the originating account, so why try? Even if Nomad had posted on the boards that night, "Hey, anybody lose 1k?" USD would NOT have seen it, and would not have attributed the loss to himself until the point where he actually did notice and came on the boards. Remember that, USD didn't notice the loss right away. How long would you sit on 1k?
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Is USD a scammer? I can't really say, but of course it looks fishy, and there's plenty of folks FE'ing for him and reporting no product arrival. The thing that doesn't make sense in that scenario, is why wouldn't he just fuck off and disappear like all the other scammers.
So if he was hacked, that sucks for all involved.
All the BTC were not sent to Nomad, only a portion.
Nomad has no way of knowing for certain which customers BTC wound up in USDs account, let alone the DPR donation address, it's just a number.
Ignoring my above suggestion that USD's trying to do the right thing, IF he is a scammer, why should Nomad give him back those coins - what's to say he will actually give those coins back to customers, or cashout and run?
The answer to why USD hasn't fucked off is quite obvious and it ties in with why he did sent the G-note anyway.
If you think about what DPR offered USD (a free account) then that gives him the opportunity to carry on, the fact that he only have the G-note away which would be a fraction of what he got from the total number of FEs mean that he gets a quick cash injection of DIRTY STOLEN MONEY. It means he gets that quick cash injection OF DIRTY STINKING SCAMMED STOLEN MONEY without having to send anyone their had paid for drugs and by pulling a "Oh shit! I can't keep my willy up and it's all a big conspiracy" scam it allows him to stay on here and keep selling while potentially taking away suspicion that he's just a thieving whore.
Sure, he sends out a few packages to show face maybe even refunds a few people he likes but the fact is he is basically able to sell the vast majority of his stock twice if he is allowed to stay. Once to his suckers and once again when he fakes to have everything sorted out he gets his nice shiny free account from DPR and potentially fucked over Nomad. This was the plan anyway.
I'm afraid though USD that you need to change your detergent son, coz that shit just don't wash. It's quite obvious what you are doing if you take a step back and look at who benefits from this. You don't even have to be British or descended from Sherlock Holmes to see this shit. You just need to follow the cash and see who ends up with most...and it's USD every, single, time.
Also FUCK you and your shitty feedback, look at what Digi pulled up. I wouldn't even wipe my beautiful arse with that feedback let alone think about taking it as evidence that you aren't a thieving little bastard. You need to stop thinking we are all Bambi's Ma USD because we ain't, I definitely ain't and you ain't going to murk me because I'm not a daft bitch.
"Waiter, you may fetch this man his bill....he's been served."
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I havent really chimed in on any of this too much but I think there has to be at least a REASONABLE case to be made for Nomad to refund the people affected by USD instead of just giving any money directly back to him. (In case he was a scammer)
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I havent really chimed in on any of this too much but I think there has to be at least a REASONABLE case to be made for Nomad to refund the people affected by USD instead of just giving any money directly back to him. (In case he was a scammer)
Yeah I agree with that.
But then again.. if I was nomad and was under the impression it was a legit donation I would have almost definitely spent it all on a ridiculous bender/and or german prostitute by now.
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None of it makes any sense to me. Ive been sitting here holding my tongue for awhile now, and its just getting too crazy not to post my own conspiracy theories as ive been lurking and witnessed a lot of the shit others havent.
Ok one side of it is - Why didnt he just cut and run? It makes no sense if he was scamming, to come to the forums and go through this whole fiasco. Why would he deposit money into a mods account? It makes no sense if he was scamming. The only way i see this being possible is:
USD account was hacked the first time. This could of course been bullshit as well, but lets say it happened.... So his shit gets hacked and hes pissed. He comes to the forums and states his case. Nomad tells him whats up. USD sees this as a threat of some type or possibly a challenge, so he fabricates this grand scheme thinking nomad was responsible for the first hack.
Riddle me this, how did usd know it was nomads donation btc address? How the hell did he remember that address? Its nuckin futs!
If he made 5 or 10 grand in FE profit, donating a thousand to nomad would be a great cover up and allow him to maintain his seller account and status. Its a long shot, but i just dont know how else this shit could have went down.
Either that or (here we go) hes working with LE and trying to stir up as much shit as possible to cause problems in the SR community that is still in the recovery phases of the tony and noreiga scandal. Now esgal, USDs small scale vendor, is claiming LE is possibly confiscating all of the packages she supposedly sent out........wtf?
This shit is straight soap opera shit. I cant believe whats going on lately around these parts. Fuckin A. I hope this shit gets figured out so we can finally move forward and get some closure. I for one would like some straight forward discussion on this topic. The whole back and forth between nomad and usd has been fishy to say the least.
What the fuck is going on here? Im going to buy some aluminum foil to make a hat here soon if this shit doesnt start making sense.
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He ain't working for LE, that shit wouldn't fly. Read my post above, you are basically agreeing with what I said. :)
And to the others making a case for Nomad refunding the coins why? Nomad is as much a victim in this as the people that got shafted. He's having his rep disputed and he's a Mod so that isn't exactly a small thing. This is USD's shit to deal with SOLO. Nobody else, he ripped people off, he pays the price.
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USD you haven't responded to me, I'm waiting.
same here.. there's a lot of people he hasnt responded to, either by SR PM's or his tormail.org email...
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USD you haven't responded to me, I'm waiting.
same here.. there's a lot of people he hasnt responded to, either by SR PM's or his tormail.org email...
Lol I don't mean that I bought anything from him mate, I haven't. I just meant I'm waiting for him to rebuff my accusations that I've laid out on this thread, however, I think that may be about as good a use of my time as waiting for Jesus, Napoleon Bonaparte, Julius Caesar, Gandhi and my dead Grandmother to come to afternoon tea.
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USD you haven't responded to me, I'm waiting.
same here.. there's a lot of people he hasnt responded to, either by SR PM's or his tormail.org email...
Lol I don't mean that I bought anything from him mate, I haven't. I just meant I'm waiting for him to rebuff my accusations that I've laid out on this thread, however, I think that may be about as good a use of my time as waiting for Jesus, Napoleon Bonaparte, Julius Caesar, Gandhi and my dead Grandmother to come to afternoon tea.
haha.. good point.. well i see his seller page has been removed.. guess this means, the end for USD.
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USD you haven't responded to me, I'm waiting.
same here.. there's a lot of people he hasnt responded to, either by SR PM's or his tormail.org email...
Lol I don't mean that I bought anything from him mate, I haven't. I just meant I'm waiting for him to rebuff my accusations that I've laid out on this thread, however, I think that may be about as good a use of my time as waiting for Jesus, Napoleon Bonaparte, Julius Caesar, Gandhi and my dead Grandmother to come to afternoon tea.
But even so, Nomads ended up with cashish for the hashish here, from the proceeds of a scam.
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USD you haven't responded to me, I'm waiting.
same here.. there's a lot of people he hasnt responded to, either by SR PM's or his tormail.org email...
Lol I don't mean that I bought anything from him mate, I haven't. I just meant I'm waiting for him to rebuff my accusations that I've laid out on this thread, however, I think that may be about as good a use of my time as waiting for Jesus, Napoleon Bonaparte, Julius Caesar, Gandhi and my dead Grandmother to come to afternoon tea.
But even so, Nomads ended up with cashish for the hashish here, from the proceeds of a scam.
Yeah which is unfortunate of course BUT that doesn't make it his fault. The fault is entirely with USD, his scam, he pays for it.
Like I said in a previous post if anyone gave me (and I'm sure anyone else) a grand you don't think about it. Especially if it goes to something as obscure as a donation fund. The whole point of USD sending the funds to Nomad is to detach people from the main issue which the fact that USD ripped off a lot of heads. All sending Nomad a grand does it make you talk about the fact that Nomad got a grand, not that a lot more people got taken for a lot more.
Like I said all this is designed to do is give USD wiggle room and potential (although epic failed) to avert suspicion. That's the bottom line.
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A more accurate analogy would be that Nomad works at the shopping mall where a customer was allegedly robbed, nomad sees the robber drop some of the money during his escape and is seen on cctv pocketing it (cctv analogous to blockexplorer evidence).
I know I'm posting from way back in this thread as I'm making my way through (and my yet edit and add other stuff as I continue on - I'm only on page 6), but I have a serious point of contention with this.
There is no CCTV proof that USD was actually robbed. In fact, what I don't get is that everyone is making such noise over what is, in context, an extremely small amount of money. If USD had as many orders as he did, he should be able to just chalk up a grand to a loss and try to deal with it in PM while handing the other 95% of the business he did (probably around 20k). Yet here he is bitching about 5% of his several-day-sales. It reeks of misdirection to me. And instead of refunding those FE's, he's done what? "reship". Any of those hit yet? He's been saying stuff was shipped out since Monday, after saying things were shipped out during the 4/20 sale and then cancelling the orders days later because they weren't in fact actually shipped. Major red flags here.
This situation is more like going out to get your mail and finding a random envelope with $1000 in cash. You have no idea how that got there, but you do know that you've run ads online accepting anonymous cash donations to your address just because people like how you keep things civil in your local community and clean up the streets. Sure, it might be more than usual, but maybe it's from a vendor that you walked through a bunch of stuff a while back, and they are giving you a small share in their success. Doesn't matter. An envelope with $1000 is in your mailbox and nobody is there to tell you not to take it.
Nomad goes out for the day, buys some stuff he's been wanting for a while, takes his girl out for a nice dinner to get some of that good female attention, etc. He's driving home from dinner looking forward to an awesome blowjob, and when he turns down his street there's a massive billboard that he's never seen before, and it says "Nomad stole my fucking $2300 and I'm so mad!" He never got a phone call, never got a courier-delivered notice, nothing. Just, suddenly: A sign that everyone can read right down the street from his house". (Please note: the cited amount is wrong, because apparently USD is trustworthy when it comes to selling LSD (rofl) to FE customers, but he'd be damned if he can get above a grade 1 math level).
What's a moderator to do at this point? If it was me I would just say FUCK YOU to USD. If USD's security got him hacked, he owes back that money. I think his entire story reeks of ten different consistencies of bullshit, and I have been saying that all along. Nomad is right - while everyone's been flaming Nomad for $1000 (which originally was supposed to be over $2k, right?), USD has misdirected more questions and been null on what is probably closer to TWENTY THOUSAND of SR customers' money. Point your rage in the right direction people...
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As far as I'm concerned, USD IS a full fledged scammer and thief. Too bad he's been had....! Its all in the connections folks! I'll be refunded by him personally in the next month or two when I put in for my vacation time. All's well that ends well!
Oh, and USD, FORGET ABOUT THE HALF SHEET i OFFERED YOU TO SEND ME AND TAKE HALF THE LOSS. Not an offer I will accept no longer! haha dick-head
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I'm pissed that all the mods get drug into this shit. Same as when everybody was screaming about Tony76--I lost 2grms worth with that bitch. But we finalized early, and so did these yazoos. Get over it, or quit finalizing early. Some people seem to think that anybody who wants can jump up and down and start crying, and the volunteer moderators we have, are supposed to drop everything and come...what?
There's nothing to straighten out! We're supposed to be darwinian libertarians on this site. The shit is between USD and the people he owes (and good luck with that)....if someone happened to drop a grand on NB, who gives a flying fuck? Good on him. These guys have always proven to be solid, and shame on us if we start peeing in their cheerios, cuz they could just walk off and let the flamers and ripoff shills take over this place.
As I said earlier: I"d shut this thread down with a final 'Fuck You' to anybody who doesn't like it. You FE--as I often do--and shit goes south, don't cry and move fucking on.
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I'm pissed that all the mods get drug into this shit. Same as when everybody was screaming about Tony76--I lost 2grms worth with that bitch. But we finalized early, and so did these yazoos. Get over it, or quit finalizing early. Some people seem to think that anybody who wants can jump up and down and start crying, and the volunteer moderators we have, are supposed to drop everything and come...what?
There's nothing to straighten out! We're supposed to be darwinian libertarians on this site. The shit is between USD and the people he owes (and good luck with that)....if someone happened to drop a grand on NB, who gives a flying fuck? Good on him. These guys have always proven to be solid, and shame on us if we start peeing in their cheerios, cuz they could just walk off and let the flamers and ripoff shills take over this place.
As I said earlier: I"d shut this thread down with a final 'Fuck You' to anybody who doesn't like it. You FE--as I often do--and shit goes south, don't cry and move fucking on.
Kudo's to you. I dealt with USD directly and that's who will be held accountable. Even if he did get ripped off, you think I give a shit(?) Hell no! That doesn't mean you have the authority to rip others off with no consequences. This will be driven deeply into his head(literally)!
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at this point, im about 98% certain, that no coins are going to be refunded other than those who were in Escrow... and im about 99% sure that no packages are going to be "re-shipped".... chuck it up to a big loss, lesson learned...
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at this point, im about 98% certain, that no coins are going to be refunded other than those who were in Escrow... and im about 99% sure that no packages are going to be "re-shipped".... chuck it up to a big loss, lesson learned...
True say. I just hope DPR doesn't actually give him a new vendor account. At first I thought he was actually hacked but now its apparent that just aint the case.
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Ok let me stick my nose in here one last time.
From the amount of money that appeared in my account when compared the the a,mounts ppl are asking for me to refund I could maybe refubnd 2 out of the many that PM'ed me.
How exactly do I choose who gets the refunds fairly? That is if I even had that kinda cash?
I have 2 BTCs in my wallet.would everyone asking for refunds like me to divid the 2 BTCs among you all.
Also this is not the first time I've received an amount as large as this in my donation fund, that's why I didn't hesitant to purchase from SR and cash out btc to pay for bills and groceries.
I'm done with this situation, I've answered everyone's questions and bent over backwards for you ppl that are against me. The fact of the matter I don't care what you think of me anymore. I'm gonna keep doing what I've been doing since day one trying to improve and protect this community from scammers.
I was hoping you guys would finally see what i've been saying for 8months never finalize early and take that from this fiasco....nope it's nothing but malice that has come from it.
Why is it everytime I post on this situation I feel like I'm posting to troll accounts?
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Ok let me stick my nose in here one last time.
From the amount of money that appeared in my account when compared the the a,mounts ppl are asking for me to refund I could maybe refubnd 2 out of the many that PM'ed me.
How exactly do I choose who gets the refunds fairly? That is if I even had that kinda cash?
I have 2 BTCs in my wallet.would everyone asking for refunds like me to divid the 2 BTCs among you all.
Also this is not the first time I've received an amount as large as this in my donation fund, that's why I didn't hesitant to purchase from SR and cash out btc to pay for bills and groceries.
I'm done with this situation, I've answered everyone's questions and bent over backwards for you ppl that are against me. The fact of the matter I don't care what you think of me anymore. I'm gonna keep doing what I've been doing since day one trying to improve and protect this community from scammers.
I was hoping you guys would finally see what i've been saying for 8months never finalize early and take that from this fiasco....nope it's nothing but malice that has come from it.
Why is it everytime I post on this situation I feel like I'm posting to troll accounts?
Meh, take what i posted with a grain of salt... probably best for you just to stay out of this thread at this point since 90%+ of people agree with you... I just was playing devils advocate a bit and I also didnt read through a lot of the thread.
Anyways, cheers for all you do in the community man :)
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Ok let me stick my nose in here one last time.
From the amount of money that appeared in my account when compared the the a,mounts ppl are asking for me to refund I could maybe refubnd 2 out of the many that PM'ed me.
How exactly do I choose who gets the refunds fairly? That is if I even had that kinda cash?
I have 2 BTCs in my wallet.would everyone asking for refunds like me to divid the 2 BTCs among you all.
Also this is not the first time I've received an amount as large as this in my donation fund, that's why I didn't hesitant to purchase from SR and cash out btc to pay for bills and groceries.
I'm done with this situation, I've answered everyone's questions and bent over backwards for you ppl that are against me. The fact of the matter I don't care what you think of me anymore. I'm gonna keep doing what I've been doing since day one trying to improve and protect this community from scammers.
I was hoping you guys would finally see what i've been saying for 8months never finalize early and take that from this fiasco....nope it's nothing but malice that has come from it.
Why is it everytime I post on this situation I feel like I'm posting to troll accounts?
just drop it man, if people really are pm'ing you for refunds then just ignore it and stop posting about it. if anything you are just giving them hope. In the end you are a mod of the forum not of the mail site. there is no way for you to even verify who ordered from USD and who already got a refund from him. Since there is 0 way for you to verfiy any information about that then you cant refund anything so just ignore and move on.
p.s if moderator donation fund split between all mods or just for you?
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so i lost $430 bucks... Doesnt USD know its a recession? lol
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Ok let me stick my nose in here one last time.
From the amount of money that appeared in my account when compared the the a,mounts ppl are asking for me to refund I could maybe refubnd 2 out of the many that PM'ed me.
How exactly do I choose who gets the refunds fairly? That is if I even had that kinda cash?
I have 2 BTCs in my wallet.would everyone asking for refunds like me to divid the 2 BTCs among you all.
Also this is not the first time I've received an amount as large as this in my donation fund, that's why I didn't hesitant to purchase from SR and cash out btc to pay for bills and groceries.
I'm done with this situation, I've answered everyone's questions and bent over backwards for you ppl that are against me. The fact of the matter I don't care what you think of me anymore. I'm gonna keep doing what I've been doing since day one trying to improve and protect this community from scammers.
I was hoping you guys would finally see what i've been saying for 8months never finalize early and take that from this fiasco....nope it's nothing but malice that has come from it.
Why is it everytime I post on this situation I feel like I'm posting to troll accounts?
Keep doing what you're doing nomad ignore these trolls, you and I both know that you could never have known what USD was going to do with those buyer's coin and you could never refund those buyers that were scammed because you don't know whose money it is.
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I just thought i would try and throw my 2cents in here, i'm not here to make accusations or anything just to put across my interpretation of the whole thing;
1) I see some mods seem to be questioning if there was an original thread, although i never read it properly (i avoided reading this one until today) i did see it and as such i guess it must be in your 'recycle bin' somewhere, maybe it would show up in USD previous posts ? just look for the ones that aren't in this topic.
2) On the issue of USD being a scammer. I've never bought from him but reading all this certainly suggests some strangeness. People seem to be saying no refunds/reships are being done, he says he is reshipping/refunding, so i am a bit confused on what is actually happening. But the fact that so many of the orders during the 420 sale (or around that time/prior to the 'hack') seem to have not arrived seems pretty dodgy. Part of his posts seem to suggest that he started sending some orders, then decided to hold back on sending them til he found out what was going to happen about his missing money. If he is told that he wont get any money back (or as he likes to term it 'my customers wont') does that mean he wont ship the items ? If all is genuine i can understand his frustration, lots of people have paid for lots of goods but you, the supplier, don't have the money, the only incentive to send it out is if you plan to continue selling under the same name, if you aren't prepared to continue and absorb the losses, then i can see why you wouldn't send.
3) The hacking of USD account. I would be at a loss to understand how you would manage to have both your pin and your password hacked, especially if you change you password/it is individual to this site etc. For an account to be hacked, assuming you don't have copies lying about on your HDD blah blah you would have to assume either a key logger is present, or an admin is responsible.
If its a key logger then it is very unfortunate, perhaps you should have kept better checks on your PC but i guess none of them are 100%.
Now the other option is an admin must be responsible. Im saying admin because i imagine that mod's don't have access to the marketplace ? obviously as much as an avg joe does but i assumed that the mod role was more connected to the forum than the marketplace ? So, assuming i was correct that it couldn't be an mod, DPR or DA are responsible ? I don't really think so, revenue generated from tax seems to be fairly substantial, long term loss over taking coins of a vendor would be quite great i imagine (lack of trust->less new vendors, loss of vendor in question). Also if an admin (or even a mod) was responsible then they have clearly thought this through, the last thing they would do would be to send the money to a traceable bit coin address, they would run it at least to an instawallet first.
To summarize this point, i think if his account truly was hacked, it must have been through lax security or a key logger.
finally
4) Nomad receiving the money. This is the last issue that seems to be coming up and i think it could be judged either way. If Nomad is used to receiving this level of donations, then i can understand why it mite not receive such a high level of attention.
The only question i have with the story (and this is probably due to my misreading more than anything) is this; Nomad noticed the donation just as he was logging off, he was rushing as his GF was coming round etc the next time he logs onto SR it is due to a phone call from another member alerting him to the accusations that are being thrown around, so jumps on the computer and posts something. Does this not imply that he was aware that he was being accused of theft (which i don't think him guilty of) before he had chance to spend any of the BTC? If he noticed he had them and then instantly logged off surely that means he didn't have time to spend them before finding out about the shit storm ?
Assuming i have misinterpreted i shall continue; the issue is should nomad now pay people back. Factually he received a donation, which is common, of a large amount, which isn't unheard of, and he spent it unaware that the owner did not authorize its transfer. This is not his fault. He cannot be expected to pay this back, especially if it is already gone. Although not necessarily anyone's fault (if a hacker is responsible then it is obviously his fault), the most likely person to be held responsible was USD, it was his account so the coins are his responsibility. If anyone should be paying the price for reships etc (barring the identity of a hacker) it is him.
You could argue that morally nomad should offer some of the people BTC for their loss but that would always be your opinion. One persons morals do not necessarily equal anothers, that is not to say either of them are right or wrong. Also the numbers of what people have lost, and what nomad appears to have received do not seem to add up, maybe that's just me. Lastly as many have said, their is no way he can calculate who is short of what, that would have to done on an individuals word, and in this community (as in most across the world) at least some people will be dishonest.
Sorry if what i have typed comes out a bit jumbled, and sorry if it causes any anger, it certainly isn't meant to =(
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Hi.
I did have a reship. Initial order was a half-sheet of WoW LSD, I got 25 by express mail yesterday. I tried it right away : one tab.
Everything was on schedule : No taste, perfect timing (effect kicked in 30 minutes, jaw clenching in less than 10)
Full psychedelic trip. I must say I can't compare since I never took acid before, but it was really an out of this world experience. I tripped really hard.. Visuals everywhere, nature was especially beautiful. Trip was so strong I had a hard time speaking first but it got better . I thought it lasted forever, since 5 minutes in real time felt like 30 at least. There is no way I will take more than one of those.
So USD, thank you for this. I sincerely hope everything will fall into place, because even with my limited experience I think that LSD is in a class of it's own (100mcg really ?)
Peace
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Hi.
I did have a reship. Initial order was a half-sheet of WoW LSD, I got 25 by express mail yesterday. I tried it right away : one tab.
Everything was on schedule : No taste, perfect timing (effect kicked in 30 minutes, jaw clenching in less than 10)
Full psychedelic trip. I must say I can't compare since I never took acid before, but it was really an out of this world experience. I tripped really hard.. Visuals everywhere, nature was especially beautiful. Trip was so strong I had a hard time speaking first but it got better . I thought it lasted forever, since 5 minutes in real time felt like 30 at least. There is no way I will take more than one of those.
So USD, thank you for this. I sincerely hope everything will fall into place, because even with my limited experience I think that LSD is in a class of it's own (100mcg really ?)
Peace
Not really understanding--you ordered a half sheet, but only received 25 hits--did you get a half refund or whatever he was doing? ...And why was it a "reship", what happened to the first ship? Did you FE or was your BTC still in escrow? Such sketchy business practices.
Well I'm glad that it was at least the best L that you've ever done and is in a class of its own, though you've never even tried cid before (not being a dick, but that's fucking funny).
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Sorry, The term reship is not the good one, but everyone was using it here. I FE (international order) right in the middle of all this shit. I also paid for express shipping.
USD offered to send half the order, since he never received the money from the transaction (I quote of course, you all know about the hacking story).
Communication was swift, I'm glad I got at least half and the quality is top notch (or I'm HIGHLY sensitive to lsd, even better. I will know for sure when my friends try it out in a few weeks).
I know I'm not an expert. I wish I had tried L before, but based on various trip reports, I think this is some good L (in previous threads, some other people wondered if they were really 100mcg, and also reported ridiculously strong trips. I don't think it's an RC, since it kicked really quick, and lasted the right amount of time + no taste at all)
Not trying to troll this thread, just reporting facts.
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Yeah sounds like L to me and at least you got some of your order so that's good. You ordered your half sheet right after 4/20? That's fucked up that someone is only gonna give you half of what you paid for because they got jacked...nope, if I pay you for something and two weeks later you get robbed, I do not become the person who got robbed. He needs to stop passing the buck to his customers. Total bullshit--USD got paid, got hacked (?), and tries to tell his customers that THEY got jacked. Wow, what a generous dude sending out half orders...fuck that.
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Yeah sounds like L to me and at least you got some of your order so that's good. You ordered your half sheet right after 4/20? That's fucked up that someone is only gonna give you half of what you paid for because they got jacked...nope, if I pay you for something and two weeks later you get robbed, I do not become the person who got robbed. He needs to stop passing the buck to his customers. Total bullshit--USD got paid, got hacked (?), and tries to tell his customers that THEY got jacked. Wow, what a generous dude sending out half orders...fuck that.
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at this point id be happy with half my coke order.. damn, at least 'something'.... vs nothing..
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Yeah sounds like L to me and at least you got some of your order so that's good. You ordered your half sheet right after 4/20? That's fucked up that someone is only gonna give you half of what you paid for because they got jacked...nope, if I pay you for something and two weeks later you get robbed, I do not become the person who got robbed. He needs to stop passing the buck to his customers. Total bullshit--USD got paid, got hacked (?), and tries to tell his customers that THEY got jacked. Wow, what a generous dude sending out half orders...fuck that.
i dont think its from the 420 sale, but from when the cali wow was initially posted, begin of may??
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Did anyone that finalized early internationally actually receive their LSD? I ordered a 10 strip three weeks ago and still haven't received it. I emailed USD 4 days ago, still waiting for a response. His seller account seems to have been banned too.
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A more accurate analogy would be that Nomad works at the shopping mall where a customer was allegedly robbed, nomad sees the robber drop some of the money during his escape and is seen on cctv pocketing it (cctv analogous to blockexplorer evidence).
I know I'm posting from way back in this thread as I'm making my way through (and my yet edit and add other stuff as I continue on - I'm only on page 6), but I have a serious point of contention with this.
There is no CCTV proof that USD was actually robbed. In fact, what I don't get is that everyone is making such noise over what is, in context, an extremely small amount of money. If USD had as many orders as he did, he should be able to just chalk up a grand to a loss and try to deal with it in PM while handing the other 95% of the business he did (probably around 20k). Yet here he is bitching about 5% of his several-day-sales. It reeks of misdirection to me. And instead of refunding those FE's, he's done what? "reship". Any of those hit yet? He's been saying stuff was shipped out since Monday, after saying things were shipped out during the 4/20 sale and then cancelling the orders days later because they weren't in fact actually shipped. Major red flags here.
This situation is more like going out to get your mail and finding a random envelope with $1000 in cash. You have no idea how that got there, but you do know that you've run ads online accepting anonymous cash donations to your address just because people like how you keep things civil in your local community and clean up the streets. Sure, it might be more than usual, but maybe it's from a vendor that you walked through a bunch of stuff a while back, and they are giving you a small share in their success. Doesn't matter. An envelope with $1000 is in your mailbox and nobody is there to tell you not to take it.
I don't remember saying in my analogy that there is cctv evidence of USD being robbed, I said there was evidence Nomad pocketed some of the money, so I don't see what your serious point of contention actually is. [EDIT: Tbh, re-reading it I can see it is slightly unclear in that Nomad 'sees the robber', I guess that should be altered, but I only mentioned cctv with regard to evidence of him actually pocketing money.] Your analogy isn't relevant because in this case Nomad represents SR and in order to maintain its integrity he should return money that was sent either as part of an elaborate scam/hacking to a small proportion of customers. Digital alch's post summed it all up nicely. If this is a scam, and this donation scenario is meant to misdirect our attention then the simplest way to stop it achieving this goal is for Nomad to return the money (that is, as you say, a small proportion of overall sales).
I personally couldn't greedily consume hundreds of dollars worth of drugs that were bought non-consensually one way or another with other peoples money...and I'm surprised you think that is okay.
Ok let me stick my nose in here one last time.
From the amount of money that appeared in my account when compared the the a,mounts ppl are asking for me to refund I could maybe refubnd 2 out of the many that PM'ed me.
How exactly do I choose who gets the refunds fairly? That is if I even had that kinda cash?
I have 2 BTCs in my wallet.would everyone asking for refunds like me to divid the 2 BTCs among you all
Erm, why not sell the drugs you've bought, buy more bitcoins when you can afford to, and then like I suggested previously offer a lottery for people that didn't receive their orders so that a few people can get half their money refunded or something. I'm not sure how you can smoke away other peoples money, no one is blaming you for not knowing initially, but now that you do know and especially considering that you represent SR, you should return ALL the money shown to be from USD's account to customers. Again, I wasn't a customer so have no vested interest, I just want to see you do the noble thing.
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Everybody seems to know what NB should do. Me too: quit listening to all these people who weren't involved.
And close this stupid thread. (Next time I want to donate 100 btc to a mod, I'll sign my name on it.)
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Everybody seems to know what NB should do. Me too: quit listening to all these people who weren't involved.
And close this stupid thread. (Next time I want to donate 100 btc to a mod, I'll sign my name on it.)
Indeed. This thread seems to be going nowhere now and USD is nowhere to be seen, we are just going round in circles. If he drags his sorry degenerate arse back here I'm sure USD is quite capable of either making a new thread to talk more shit or can message one of the Mods so we can unlock this thread if he has anything useful to say. We shall have to see.
Locked.